#Hopefully, The Prelude Honour can also be given to players who participated in the test.

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icy aurora
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(and maybe also eventually ephemera recolouring)

subtle dust
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Idk if recoloring would even work though, cause how would that work for paragon talisman where its specifically 3 colors

icy aurora
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hiding the empty slot but still making it available could also make it feel like a 'hidden' collectible, something you'd need the help of the original holders to get

vivid nimbus
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fomo is disgutsting. you werent here for it it isnt for you stop crying

subtle dust
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That seems mildly contradictory and also just straight up unhelpful

icy aurora
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we've been having a relatively civil discussion so far I feel so like Vila_Shrug

subtle dust
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Yeah that guy didn't like it being civil apparently

icy aurora
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the verminia recolouring can colour different parts of the same thing, so maybe the paragon founders talisman could then be recoloured individually(?)
so like for example you recolour red green blue to uh... yellow purple black XD

subtle dust
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Would be very cool and I can see them doing it to match warframe, just don't see how except how you said

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And kinda don't see them adding that much freedom with coloration unfortunately, would love to be proved wrong

soft pollen
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i can see them doing it. steve loves filling in all the little details of stuff like that

earnest bloom
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Gotta solve the bigger problems

icy aurora
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it would be fun to have a lot of freedom with fashionframing in this game too :3

subtle dust
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Envoygen when

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Guess that kinda applies skins, speaking of which off topic but anyone know if alcas eye is gonna be a skin introducing it as a feature or just an outright sword

icy aurora
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yknow I haven't actually seen what they were planning for Alca's Eye aside from the vague notion that it exists... was it mentioned in a recent devstream?

blissful heron
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Labelling this under "accessibility" is an insult to actual accessibility issues and features.

-1.

icy aurora
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I mean I just chalked it up to OP not quite getting what the tag means, but they haven't been in this thread for a while either 😅

earnest bloom
icy aurora
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a mod can probably just change the tag, can't they? idk how the perms are set up here

brisk yoke
# blissful heron Labelling this under "accessibility" is an insult to actual accessibility issues...

I would disagree slightly. It's not the most serious topic in the world. But I have ADHD and I'm pretty certain that goes a long way to explain my completionist tendencies in games and obsessive collecting. Another person who had a similar style said they have autism.

I'd bet the completionist mentality affects ND people more in general because of the way their brains work.

So I'm not saying we deserve this to be implemented because of that. But exclusivity will have a greater impact on these people in general. Or they are less able to change their mindset.

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Even so from the OP I think they just didn't understand the meaning.

main geode
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I'd argue it should be given to every preludes player but also have a way to be gotten after preludes, maybe having every other talisman or generally every gear piece?

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I just think any exclusivity is bad as it always hurts someone

white marsh
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right i have said I want to see more ephemera effects, possibly on other talisman. maybe make them different flowers and have an ice walk one and other similar things.

west hedge
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💯 PrayVakot

copper hearth
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I'm someone who was lucky enough to win their lottery-pick system and get in Preludes 4.

My friends who were just as passionate for SoulFrame as I was didn't get in before Prelude 7. It feels off having this exclusive little effect just because I was chosen and my friends weren't. I'd want them to be able to get it too honestly.

Plus I thought we were against fomo/exclusives. Regardless if it is a "compensation". It still is, what it is- an exclusive item that you can't get anymore. Especially so early into the games development.
I personally don't agree with it. Of course, feel free to disagree PrayVakot.

earnest bloom
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At this point everyone should get the Honor until the end of preludes, Alcas Eye can just not be a thing and all founders should get the flower, total reset of the situation and don't repeat it, some few people will be unhappy for a week and we all move on to obtaining world peace from the Ode.

glass thunder
glass thunder
hot heart
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like id heard about the game, but like years ago and never heard anything about it until the founders packs came out

earnest bloom
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I guess you wouldn't really know unless you follow warframe quite closely

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I checked my emails and i reserved my envoy name is 2022 and have been following it religiously since

ashen loom
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I mean, it's a pre-pre-alpha game. Resets are just part and parcel of early game testing and have been for decades at this point, I don't know how people missed that part...
There's also the argument to be made that nowhere near every Honour owner put as much "Sweat and tears" into testing the game as y'all did, and even then, it's playing a game. It's not hard work, and you weren't forced to do it.
Some yokel with 5 minutes of game time before the reset could have it and just leave the game entirely. I don't believe it's as meaningful in that respect as you think it is.

tepid roost
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Again, nobody has missed that part. Nobody played back then with the expectation to keep their progress, we were explicitly told otherwise.

ashen loom
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It doesn't represent any form of serious compensation for time spent. Like I've said before, it represents being picked out of thousands with no real criteria as far as I can tell.

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It shouldn't have been given out the way it was in the first place.

tepid roost
ashen loom
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Well, partially it's both.

tepid roost
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I mean, that’s completely subjective. Which people struggle with a lot regarding this topic.

ashen loom
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But the reason I'm assuming most would want it is that it's the only flower "Ephemera" in a game almost entirely focused around nature and wildlife.

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The only other one (that I know of) is the Paragon talisman, and that has the three energy orbs that don't really scream "Wild".

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I still say they should've given out arcs instead, like with the Founder's Pack issues.

tepid roost
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Right. There’s a precedent set for talismans providing ephemera style effects but the game is early. That’s the explanation for the honour being one of two right now.

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There will undoubtedly be more.

ashen loom
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It's just a bit disturbing to see the pattern developing with this and the cursed flower, and it needs to be stomped out before it can develop further.

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Especially this early in development

tepid roost
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If you’re deathly afraid of exclusivity

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Which I am not.

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And a lot of people also are not.

ashen loom
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But a lot of people are, and DE tend to listen to the softer side of their playerbase anyways in terms of things like that.

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Why do you think the Heirloom packs after the first one stopped being limited-time?

tepid roost
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Besides the point.

tepid roost
ashen loom
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And why do you think they brought the Atrox kubrow colors back after seven years of unavailability after one guy asked them to on reddit?

ashen loom
tepid roost
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I disagree with the notion that DE has made a critical error, are morally corrupt or that people who would like to keep the status item that were given to them over a year ago are evil.

Unfortunately many of the arguments for returning the Honour push that narrative whereas for example I can emphasise with somebody who wants items for valid reasons and am happy to compromise in a way that benefits both parties.

tepid roost
austere sinew
# ashen loom I mean, it's a pre-pre-alpha game. Resets are just part and parcel of early game...

It's not hard work for you. Some with accessibility or skill issues would disagree, and still did it for the love of the game.

It's just a thank you plaque in the game manual. DE developers thought it was enough of an effort to be recognized, whether it's to the person that logged in once or the no-lifer. It's such a nothing burger to care about.

I'm all for removing the things from the compendium so as to not trigger the compulsive completionists that DE makes their money off of.

But I think it's really uncool to minimize and advocate for the erasure of an accolade and a reward that has already been given out of some want you have.

As far as I can tell, people have been really chill when it comes to understanding people want a thing promised to another. But for some folks that just have to have this flower, it's been name calling and really rude characterizations of efforts and recipients.

ashen loom
# tepid roost Do I need to ping a mod this early

It's objectively a greedy position to take to want to keep the Prelude's Honour exclusive, especially when the qualifiers for "earning" the honour in the first place are "get picked at random and play one time before a reset"

tepid roost
ashen loom
ashen loom
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I think it's incredibly uncool to say everyone who thinks that's unjust is greedy for seeing a concerning pattern this early on and wanting it to stop.

static dirge
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Envoys it seems like once again this thread is at risk of devolving into argument. The points being raised remain the same as those that have been raised before, and that feedback has been passed onto the team. To avoid further needless debate I'll be locking this thread

ashen loom
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People with accessibility or skill issues are still playing and testing the game.

austere sinew
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I didn't minimize your want. My essay last night empathized with your mentality.

proper cairn
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Ah yes, the usual. Gaslighting the thread into getting locked.

tepid roost
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No, wanting something to maintain the status it’s had for over a year isn’t greedy. To ask for more would be greedy. I could just as easily say that wanting something you objectively don’t qualify for is entitled but I refrain from throwing such words around.

ashen loom
austere sinew
static dirge