Eternium Garden & Cursed Bloom Compensation – Why this approach worries me

[royal frigate]

just because you dont view it as important doesnt mean it isnt

[grizzled bloom]

It makes me feel special = I feel good

[royal frigate]

whats the point of the flowers and gardens then? to be seen

[lapis parrot]

The whole shtick of the flowers is literally displaying your name. The cursed folk display more name per mile now

[icy bough]

I could make the same argument to you saying it didnt matter that people had to wait.

[lapis parrot]

Why even have flowers and gardens then

[potent sandal]

I get where you’re coming from, but “envy” and “perception of being special” can’t be the default reason to scrub every bit of history out of a game. Not every cosmetic tied to a past event is some elitist badge designed to make others feel lesser. In this case, we’re talking about a tiny cosmetic that represents a mistake DE made and the players who were directly affected by it, not some prestige reward meant to elevate anyone above anyone else.

If the mere existence of a symbolic item causes envy, that’s not a design flaw; that’s just the reality of not being part of every moment in a long-running game. Nobody gets to be included in every group, and trying to flatten the game world so no one ever feels left out accomplishes nothing except erasing its history.

A cosmetic tied to a very specific screw-up doesn’t create a “special class” of players. It just acknowledges something that actually happened. ARC payouts might compensate in a technical sense, but they don’t preserve the story. If every response to a problem is a generic, impersonal currency drop, then the game never carries any marks of what its community lived through.

There’s a big difference between unhealthy exclusivity and letting a game remember its own past.

[royal frigate]

i mean you can make that argument but i dont see how that important

[ornate loom]

most people plop all their flowers in one instance btw

[icy bough]

And I think thats ur problem here dude

[royal frigate]

and some will do it in 4 different ones and others have an extra one

[ornate loom]

True Logic

[royal frigate]

i dont see how being fair to everyone is a problem lol

[true kestrel]

We are arguing over what is most important to people and that is going to be different for everyone. You can't tell people what items or systems they should value or not. I want to collect things. Others want their founder flower to be visible. Some people want items that other people can't get.

We can all give feedback but no one should be telling anyone what they should think is important

[hidden marlin]

I have the preludes honour and would be fine with it not being exclusive, I don't want the flower either (a real money transaction got borked, an apology flower from DE is fine) and I don't think DE should take it away now they've offered it, furthermore I don't even think there is much of a status advantage to getting "first", nor do I think that buying a pack in the first few hours is a significantly greater sacrifice or shows significantly more support for DE than buying it in the subsequent hours. I am enjoying my popcorn, however.

[icy bough]

Also i only bought oscelda, I’m not even a paragon founder.

[crystal raptor]

+1 from a person who's supposedly special for having to wait a couple hours. I hate FOMO and the more there is in a game, the more likely I am to stop playing it. Please remove exclusives from the compendium too while you're at it

[cursive galleon]

Yeah

[royal frigate]

people want to impose their own beliefs of what is important and has value

[potent rain]

No reason to include it in the story of the game though from my eyes, it's causing issues in the community when it just as easily could've been dealt in a way that everyone felt fair before this even happened. If people are all paying the same amount of money for something, I don't personally feel there should be distinctions in status full stop.

[ornate loom]

aren't you literally doing the same?

[icy bough]

Then i think the people affected should have say in how we’re compensated

[ornate loom]

As an affected dude: I love the idea of a flower

[hidden marlin]

It just annoys me that ppl claim not to understand what the other side is getting at when their arguments and logic are essentially the same 😛

[cursive galleon]

Im in the same boat essentially, though I would prefer the Honors to be a shareable bp and would like my flowers to have Nov 25th as the date. Besides that… meh

[royal frigate]

no? lol. i want everyone to have the same thing and be fair across the board. what are you talking about?

[royal frigate]

not if its something exclusive

[ornate loom]

what does that have to do with not imposing your beliefs on others?

[royal frigate]

oh so youre arguing that im wrong that i want everyone to be equal lol
Sure you can have that 😄

[true kestrel]

Everyone is equal. But some are more equal than others.

[icy bough]

If i dropped real money and time absolutely i should be the one to have a say on compensation actually

[vapid python]

I genuinely feel like you're arguing in bad faith here

[royal frigate]

compensation should be fair

[icy bough]

Says who?

[ornate loom]

again, dodging the matter a bit aren't we?

[royal frigate]

i adjust my arguing based on the replies. im always fair

[royal frigate]

so youre literally admitting that you want a compensation that isnt fair to others

[vapid python]

We the cursed founders deem the flower to be fair?

[icy bough]

It wasnt fair my whole day went out the door either.

[royal frigate]

ok cool that doesnt mean its fair

[potent rain]

Was reading that

[potent sandal]

But DE thinks its deserving of one to make a story out of. If the goal is fairness, erasing every distinction isn’t the answer. The marifold isn’t a status symbol but a marker of an actual mistake that affected a specific group of players. Ignoring that event just because some people dislike distinctions doesn’t make things fair; it just sanitizes the game’s history and pretends nothing happened. Players didn’t all experience the same situation, even if they paid the same amount. Some lost their intended spot, stayed up late for the launch, and got hit by wrong dates.

Acknowledging that with a small cosmetic isn’t creating a hierarchy but simply reflecting reality. Removing the item or making everything uniform just because it makes discussions messy doesn’t solve anything. It only buries a genuine part of the game’s story and strips meaning from the gesture meant to address it.

[royal frigate]

and that entitles you to special treatment ?

[icy bough]

The situation wasnt fair. Thats the entire reason for the flower. WE are being compensated.

[potent sandal]

Ah forgot to reply to you. Mb

[cursive moat]

Someone who had something bad happen to them being compensated is not unfair to those who did not have that thing happen NOT being compensated

[icy bough]

If i spent real money and time on it, yes.

[royal frigate]

if the compensation is something nobody else can obtain it very much is unfair to the rest by definition

[icy bough]

Idk thats just life? I dont know what else you want me to say.

[royal frigate]

so its not "just life" that you spent time and money? double standards

[potent sandal]

If everyone gets the cursed marifold, it stops meaning anything. It’s supposed to mark a specific screw-up and acknowledge the players who were directly affected. Handing it out to everyone wipes out the context and turns a meaningful token into generic clutter. Not every item needs to be universal especially one tied to a real event the whole playerbase didn’t experience.

It’s not “special treatment.” It’s acknowledging that a specific group got hit by a specific mistake. Recognizing that isn’t elevating anyone. It’s just addressing what actually happened instead of pretending everyone had the same experience.

[cursive moat]

Envoy you are getting increasingly combative and I'm kindly asking you to stop

[ornate loom]

I agree

[potent sandal]

Here's an example
Imagine a marathon where part of the route was accidentally blocked, and only one group of runners got diverted and lost time. The organizers might give those specific runners a small commemorative pin apologizing for the screw-up. That pin isn’t special treatment, and giving it to all participants would make it meaningless. It’s simply a gesture acknowledging the people who were actually affected by the mistake.

[royal frigate]

"special" and small do not go hand in hand

[potent rain]

But where does this stop, does every mistake then deserve a cosmetic, should there be a story every time they mess up during a developmental period of the game. The exclusive cosmetics given to founders are already limited specifically to make it fair on players later on, why have genuine distictions between them at all for me it doesn't make sense. A story can happen and be preserved without the need for exclusive items, its just what they went with at the time and because of that it's what people are wanting to defend. They could've chosen to tell the story through a differing way and I think personally it would've been healthier to the community.

[icy bough]

I have literally said the entire situation is unfair. There is no way everyone is going to agree on this. Someone who wasnt affected by the delay doesnt have a right to tell us how to feel and what we do and dont deserve.

[vapid python]

This and people are complaining they didn't get a special pin either

[potent sandal]

Calling a tiny, context-specific cosmetic “special treatment” is like saying a restaurant handing out apology mints to the few customers whose orders got delayed is giving them some elite perk. The gesture is small, but it’s still directed at the people who were actually affected. Size doesn’t determine whether it’s meaningful. It’s the situation behind it.

[ornate loom]

If the government ran a bus over someone's foot and said persons foot somewhat recovered, should the government still not be held liable for said foot squishing?

[grizzled bloom]

Alright, maybe a slight different thing. But please remove Pre-ludes Honor from compendium so I can have 100/100

[lapis parrot]

They screwed up by making people that didn't have a problem mad, I think those people deserve their own unique 1 of 1 thing. It's not their fault DE enraged them with this, it's only fair.

[true kestrel]

But what they should have done was adjust the times based on the error. Giving away a pin doesn't rectify the problem.

[royal frigate]

its not a commemorative pin its giving an extra gold medal. others got 4 while the others that waited got 5.

[potent rain]

Except a mint is something anyone can get and has no permanent meaning to it

[royal frigate]

^

so many people arguing that its not important but at the same time claiming they don't want others to have it.

[potent sandal]

Not every mistake needs a cosmetic, and nobody’s arguing for that. The marifold exists because this particular mistake directly affected players in a tangible way—they lost positions they waited and planned for. That’s not comparable to every routine hiccup in development.

As for where it “stops,” it stops where it always has: when the event is significant enough that DE decides a gesture is warranted. That’s already how the game works. Stories can be preserved without exclusives, sure but not every story is equal. Some are just footnotes, some hit the playerbase directly, and some deserve acknowledgement beyond a generic apology or a pile of arcs. When you flatten everything so it can be perfectly “healthy,” you gut the game of any texture tied to its actual history.

[grizzled bloom]

@cursive moat when do we get DE response to all this? if ever? lol

[hidden marlin]

I think a lot of this comes down to the culture and relationship that DE fosters. If they make this an ongoing thing that they do, then it can become perceived as fair. This current one caught people by surprise, with no protocol for handling it negotiated between DE and their customers, so everyone is kind of inventing their own protocol on the fly according to their own values.

[true kestrel]

No one lost a position. They couldn't all have been in garden 1, 2 or even 3. They didn't lose anything except the chance to fight for a spot.

[lapis parrot]

But isn't enraging the community by releasing exclusive rewards also a screw up? I think those affected need an exclusive rewards for this. We need to be more vocal regarding this situation. Some people got less rewards while contributing the same

[hidden marlin]

I think if DE leans into it, people will get over it 😛

[ornate loom]

the people cursed are to my knowledge the guys who rushed in within minutes, then endured said curse with many not even being able to enter the game begging Lord Bossman Steve for answers

all while many had refunded already

[potent rain]

I planned to always get founders, have been waiting months for it. It came out during the middle of my work shift and I waited just as long as cursed founders I believe, to an extent that the gardens were broken by the time I got on. How is that any different, I was stressed about not getting to place it just the same, didn't know if I had my items due to the cursed discussions at the time.

[potent sandal]

Again I come back to 'what makes exclusivity so desirable ' and 'do you want to be part in every in group in the history of the game'

[potent rain]

But I don't need a specific at work cosmetic because why would I need that distinction

[royal frigate]

not everyone that rushed got bugged and some that did get bugged got a different one and wont be rewarded. No matter how you spin it its unfair

[icy bough]

Bc i cleared out a whole day for founders and wasnt able to do that and that is an incredibly distressing thing for me to deal with

[potent sandal]

Great! Thanks for your support. DE surely appreciates and you get to immortalize yourself in the game!

[lapis parrot]

Again, the problem is that they take stances against exclusivity but keep releasing said exclusivity. People now are affected, they deserve their own exclusive compensation for this outrage

[ornate loom]

the people that didn't get bugged still rightfully got the first place garden spots which they deserve

[potent rain]

You had the opportunity to do so when others wouldn't and couldn't

[royal frigate]

no they didnt thats the point

[lapis parrot]

If DE did not keep taking stances against exclusivity more power to you folks but they clearly keep taking stances against it

[royal frigate]

them getting ahead of everyone else because of a bug isnt fair either

[icy bough]

Yes, and the opportunity was forcibly taken from me after I spent my real money on it.

[lapis parrot]

Yet they keep releasing exclusivity

Embarrassing

[vapid python]

they... they did? what are you talking about?

[potent sandal]

Its a stance against exclusive weapons and frames ala Excal prime since it affects things on a gameplay level. To make stories you need people who are part of the event and people who aren't

[ornate loom]

you said not everyone got bugged.
that quite literally a few slipped through and got the garden spots they wanted

[potent rain]

Just like everyone else, what makes you deserve something other than them then

[royal frigate]

yes but as I said thats not fair either

[vapid python]

???????????????

[royal frigate]

which is why we discussed to have gardens on rotations

[lapis parrot]

The heirlooms weren't frames or weapons but skins dear Envoy, those were exclusive too

[hidden marlin]

there are far fewer exclusive things in WF than in other games - probably because DE's playerbase blows up like this when it happens 😉

[icy bough]

…but it wasnt like everyone else, inherently. Thats why we’re getting a flower.

[royal frigate]

some people got a different bug and arent getting a flower

[vapid python]

glyphs, emblems, sigils: am I a joke to you?

[potent sandal]

No one’s saying anyone “deserves” special treatment but that doesn’t mean everyone can or should be part of every group. Some moments in a game naturally involve specific players, and acknowledging those moments doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

[ornate loom]

why not? if they took time out of their day to spawn camp release then...?

[lapis parrot]

Preludes honor for example, you can't count it as a talisman. It's a skin for a talisman with a unique effect. Exclusive. Flowers? Not only you get one more, it's a new skin for it. Exclusive. Exclusive skins just like heirloom

[hidden marlin]

gacha games say ... yes 😄

[royal frigate]

Because its still an unfair advantage if others were stuck. see thats the thing. im being fair to both sides

[ornate loom]

the flower is the best solution to said issue

[icy bough]

I’m sorry im still confused on the advantage at stake here?

[vapid python]

I wasn't talking about gacha, I was talking about the limited sigils, glyphs and emblems warframe has

[royal frigate]

disagree

[icy bough]

Seeing a name isnt an “advantage”

[lapis parrot]

I don't care you get compensated for problems. You should be. But not trough exclusivity when the company takes stances against exclusivity every other Wednesday. That's where the line should be drawn

[hidden marlin]

and I said "gacha games say yes, those things are a joke"

[grizzled bloom]

but I get +1 beauty points

[royal frigate]

wrong. thats literally the point of the gardens and flowers

[ornate loom]

DE instead of a flower give us 1000x hp 😇

[vapid python]

I fail to see how those two are even closely related to the argument here

[potent sandal]

Exclusivity is needed to tell stories and immortalize events especially about a game about remembering histories. DE is taking a stance against timed exclusives.

[icy bough]

The point of the gardens is to have your name in the game. Your name is in the game whether you planted 1 or 4 flowers.

[hidden marlin]

I compared wf to other games (as not having many exclusives in comparison), u brought up sigils as "significant" exclusives, I brought up those other games which have far more significant exclusives

[potent sandal]

Not exclusives in general.

[royal frigate]

or 5 if youre lucky 😄

[grizzled bloom]

5 is greater than 4.. end of discussion

[vapid python]

And I compare the flower to warframe and sigils etc

[lapis parrot]

Then I want DE to take back a pro exclusivity stance. The problem is that they take a NON exclusivity stance and do it. It's basically lying

[royal frigate]

^

[potent sandal]

Sure, they can clarify its against timed exclusives then. They can be more specific.

[hidden marlin]

I'm not sure what you think the argument between us is, but I think the flower is fairly modest and ppl are making mountains out of anthills.

[grizzled bloom]

Remove preludes honor from compendium +1

[lapis parrot]

If exclusivity is needed, go for it, all for it. Just don't say one thing and do the other. That's where the problem is

[potent sandal]

Can you find me where DE said they are against all forms of exclusivity? And not 'we are trying to avoid the whole excal prime situation' ?

[vapid python]

Totally agree with you on that

[hidden marlin]

earlier, someone said that DE promised as little fomo as possible but keeps introducing it, and I just pointed out that while wf has fomo, it's significantly lower than other games.

[lapis parrot]

Again, you are being intellectually dishonest and keep moving the optics. The excal prime situation is about exclusivity and so is the skins situation with the heirloom

[hidden marlin]

I think DE makes a mostly imperfect effort to limit fomo and predatory practices. I don't think this flower rates high on that scale 😛

[lapis parrot]

Honors and flowers are skins too

[vapid python]

The flower isn't FOMO though, it's an exclusive, you don't have fear of missing out if you were never eligible in the first place

[potent sandal]

This isn’t FOMO. FOMO is about missing out on something designed to be desirable or time-limited. The marifold isn’t a reward, a prestige item, or something anyone was meant to chase. It’s a small marker acknowledging a mistake that affected a specific group of players. It’s tied to what happened, not to anyone’s ability to obtain it. There’s nothing to “fear missing out” on, because it was never meant to be an opportunity in the first place.

[rigid drift]

People are still going on about the flower that will be planted and everyone will forget about within a months time

Wow

[hidden marlin]

people got in on the founders launch early to avoid missing out on things, that's where the fomo comes into it, and then they were hit with missing out on something 😛

how many times have you heard someone say " I wish I hadn't missed WF founders"

[small lark]

I’d rather just plant in my Nightfold at this point 🤣

[lapis parrot]

Literally

[royal frigate]

sure but give me 5 flowers

[sterile stone]

I like my spots in 101, 111, 121, and 131, however I do believe random plant spots would be nice, along with one big garden scene with a spot for every flower post launch would be nicer

[vapid python]

"How dare someone else get a bunch of pixels as compensation, I demand something too, because these guys get compensated" is what it all boils down to

[hidden marlin]

so you're right this is not directly fomo, but it is related.

[icy bough]

^

[royal frigate]

"i demand compensation in form of exclusivity because i waited 5 hours!"

[lapis parrot]

We paid equally for said pixels. But some people got more

[vapid python]

Sorry did you get banished to the shadowrealm not knowing if you would even get your stuff?

[small lark]

It’s just plain envy. People are envious of the cursed flowers. Others are envious of the Prelude Honors talisman

[vapid python]

This

[potent sandal]

You’re conflating completely different situations. Excal Prime and heirloom skins were intentionally designed exclusives. They are prestige content made to be desirable. That is exclusivity by design.

The marifold isn’t in the same category. It wasn’t created to elevate anyone, reward early players, or create a status divide. It’s tied to a specific technical mistake that affected a specific group. Its existence isn’t about prestige, rarity, or status. Its all about that context.

Calling them all “exclusivity situations” is flattening the details to force a comparison that doesn’t actually hold. Not every item that isn’t universally available is automatically a prestige reward. Sometimes a thing is limited simply because only certain players lived the moment it represents. You can dislike exclusivity in general and that’s fair, but the marifold isn’t playing in the same sandbox as founders rewards or heirloom cosmetics. Treating it like it is isn’t honest to the situation or the intent behind it.

[icy bough]

Thats a pretty dishonest representation on what happened. It also doesnt take into account what some people are going through currently, some ppl also have emotional investments into stuff like this.

[grizzled bloom]

Remove preludes honor from compendium so I can have 100/100

[lapis parrot]

It was guaranteed you would get your stuff. Otherwise legal troubles would've come for the company lol what an argument to make

[novel pumice]

You're being disingenuous, it's not about "waiting 5 hours", it's because they were not able to plant anything.

[true kestrel]

Can people not just state their opinion without throwing judgement at the other side. I actually think it's good to discuss this. But threads keep being shut because people can't just have a civil debate

[royal frigate]

whats it called when people want something just for themselves?

[royal frigate]

and that entitles you to exclusivity?

[novel pumice]

What's your idea then? Giving them 5 dracs?

[icy bough]

Being victim to an error does, yes.

[lapis parrot]

Don't ping me you're intellectually dishonest and I wish there not to be beef between us

[small lark]

That would be greed. I don’t disagree that something should change to remedy what people are feeling on either side. It’s kind of a lose-lose for everyone because not everyone can get what they want

[vapid python]

When you paid early to get the early planting spots and got prevented due to circumstances that weren't from your own doing, yes

[royal frigate]

make the gardens on a random rotation so the numbers arent as important and give everyone the flowers for free but founders can buy it from the store at a later date. I think I am more than fair and reasonable.

[cursive moat]

Once again Envoys, please remain civil, I'm seeing the same argument repeat ad infinitum and I don't think it's very productive to keep butting heads

[lapis parrot]

Rotate the gardens every 6h, don't make exclusivity

[cursive moat]

Take a short break

[potent sandal]

I mean I would like for you to point out my intellectual dishonesty and not simply just be insulted like that but sure let this be our last message to each other.

[grizzled bloom]

This forum is more fun than the game tbh

[novel pumice]

Then the entire purpose of numbered gardens is thrown out the window

[potent sandal]

Agreed. I have said my peace on the matter, I gotta grind some agari >:3

[royal frigate]

which it should be because people didnt get to enter it in time. we have to be fair from both sides.

[hidden marlin]

DE took one group of people missing out, and tried to flip their situation, but in doing so created another group of people who feel they missed out. I think we should cut DE some slack, tbh 😛

[icy bough]

+1

[royal frigate]

two wrongs dont make a right and if its not addressed they wont fix it

[lapis parrot]

DE is a big boy company, they don't need corporate warriors

[hidden marlin]

lol, they're people too. Steve literally came up with it on the fly during the launch stream

[potent rain]

As I said before but will reiterate because I thought of a more eloquent way to phrase it. I think that some of the decisions that they're making in my personal opinion, are harming the community. There's been a increased focus on players individuality over the preludes community, with players segregating themselves due to the choices that have been made in dealing with issues that have happened in a period of time bound to have issues. Thats my personal opinion and what I see as the problem, not looking for an arguement about it as its simply how I view what is happening.

[hidden marlin]

it's not like they sat down in a corporate boardroom and wargamed their response

[icy bough]

We arent defending corporate we’re defending a group of devs that are trying their best to make everyone happy

[cursive galleon]

Agree

[vapid python]

This

[lapis parrot]

Then explain me why everyone demands exclusivity and want to keep it instead of just rotating the gardens every couple of hours so every garden gets to be garden 1 quite often in the grand scheme of things

[hidden marlin]

unless of course, Steve being the CEO means he carries his boardroom with him as a kind of aura 😄

[novel pumice]

Yeah but the cursed founders weren't in control of that. It's not like DE planned a backlog

[royal frigate]

because they want to not let anyone else have it. its that simple

[vapid python]

It is not that.

[royal frigate]

true but a mistake is a mistake and all mistakes should be addressed and fixed fairly

[lapis parrot]

It's not true insert another 300 messages why it needs to be exclusive

[royal frigate]

^

[cursive moat]

Envoys I'm still seeing a lot of direct responses and arguing, everyone's stance is very clear at this point and continuing to argue opinions is not productive. I suggest you all take a break

Please don't backseat moderate either

[lapis parrot]

Is that a suggestion or a threat of action? For simply discussing and being outraged that some people got more instead of just rotating gardens?

I thought we paid equally

[tight halo]

damn lol not trying to just looking at it and damn

[potent rain]

Hey randomguy

Its happening again

[tight halo]

yeah

[cursive moat]

That is a suggestion, this is a feedback forum not a place to vent outrage, once discussion reaches the point of simply repeating our grievances over and over it leaves the realm of feedback

[tight halo]

like im not trying to be a downer but these treads are really being not helping anymore

[potent rain]

It was last night until it wasn't, we came up with some damn good constructive ideas

[royal frigate]

its constructive until someone comes in and insists on it staying exclusive

[crystal raptor]

Yeah, seriously. Makes me wish they'd just have asked for donations with no benefits attached. Or just released the shop and skipped the Founders program

[potent rain]

Or someone insists on it being for everyone, both don't help

[vapid python]

I think there are two fundamental parties that will never see eye to eye, those at are happy with the cursed flowers and those that are not. ¯_(ツ)_/¯. I still think maybe getting the cursed flower a replicateable blueprint later like the Paragon would be a good solution.

[potent rain]

Actual ideas the devs can work with and discuss are helpful, not everyones individual opinions

[royal frigate]

id be fine even if my flower had the cursed founders name on it

[lapis parrot]

The whole thing should've ended at gardens being bumped by 1 like rotating in a circle every few hours, and it should've been fair for everyone, as everyone would be garden 1 quite often as I said earlier

[potent rain]

See thats an idea

[cursive moat]

There is a thread for that, I also think it's a fun idea https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443742469341581322

[vapid python]

That's the thread I was suggesting yeah, thanks!

[tight halo]

just play the damn game guys stop stressing about a garden a flower some little trinket its just lighting so many fires in an otherwise chill community ... for the most part

[royal frigate]

I'm fine with any solution, be it waiting, paying, farming for it.

[novel pumice]

That's what @fluid cipher suggested yesterday. It would be a great idea, allow the flower to be replicated and keep the cursed founder's name or make it so that the flower can give away petals, which could act like a talisman or an ephemera with a unique effect. The petal idea seems better cuz this way, both types of founders have something unique

[royal frigate]

still is an issue that upsets a lot of players, cant just brush it under the rug and dismiss it like its nothing

[lapis parrot]

So now from a random flower it gets even more importance and becomes even more exclusive to have. Just rotate gardens. I don't understand why people don't like that idea lol

[potent rain]

What is the different items the different founders would have, cursed has the rest do they not

[cursive galleon]

Rotate gardens + cursed founders get their flower date set to the 25th, and I would personally be happy

[lapis parrot]

Perfect

[cursive galleon]

Keyword personally

[novel pumice]

Cursed would have the flower, the uncursed would have the petal with effect or an equippable item. Cursed couldn't get the petal, uncursed couldn't get the flower

[lapis parrot]

Give them some arcs too, compensation for lateness

[royal frigate]

see thats a fair tradeoff

[cursive galleon]

1 down 2600 or so more to make happy

[true kestrel]

This type of response is what I'm against. Not personally you btw but the references to two types of founder. Everyone buying a pack is a founder. There should be no division past that. But this is what this has created. People putting it in their name like a badge of honour. Splitting the community into groups. It's not a good thing.

[potent rain]

Its a cool idea, think with the community how it is rn it might cause more problems though

And I personally think consolidation is a better idea than futher separation but idk

Depends how they choose to go about it

[royal frigate]

the gardens NEED to be on a rotation otherwise newer founders in months will hate the older founders

[lapis parrot]

But yea, the problem with your suggestion is that it does not involve keeping exclusivity. How can they tell their story or something like that

[tight halo]

people already hate some founders

well are annoyed with them

[grizzled bloom]

I hate myself

[potent rain]

Im just keeping my flowers rather then be in instance 1430, think a lot are doing so

[royal frigate]

cant make everyone happy but its still better than pissing off the majority

[lapis parrot]

I hate myself for founding. You could say I hate founders too

[tight halo]

who that ?

[potent rain]

And this is frustrating since founders should be seen as a good thing, with the ability to give items that players wouldn't ordinarily have

[grizzled bloom]

But I got 50% off, so I hate myself a little less

[lapis parrot]

W speed regional pricing

[royal frigate]

Another game that I wont name had a program that if you played with a player that had a virus you would get it too. so eventually everyone had it

so could also make it as if you played with a cursed player you get the flower

[tight halo]

as time gose on more and more will feel like they missed something in this game till it comes back and then others will complain about it coming back and well have another 2000+ thread like this

[lapis parrot]

Is that the infected dog in wf ...

[royal frigate]

technically yes but I'm talking about an achievement in a game 😄

[potent rain]

Could be interesting, or that eventually down the line we can visit nightfolds like orbiters, and take a seed from the flower

[vapid python]

Did you just call my boy Nidus a dog? 😭

[lapis parrot]

🥀

[royal frigate]

make it a mission even. you have to go all over to collect petals for the flower or something

[potent rain]

See that would be something, or make it you collect petals from different players, give to the community instead of take

[icy bough]

I like a lot of these ideas, esp the one about giving it out like the paragon

[royal frigate]

ok heres an idea.
How about they make a quest where you have to fight a boss for the flower.
But the boss will be the cursed players names

[tight halo]

but then people will try and make money from it

[potent rain]

Pretty sure that's bannable

[tight halo]

fun

[icy bough]

This is fire

[royal frigate]

that way everyones happy

[grizzled bloom]

1 shiny black flower for ye poor paragon please

[royal frigate]

hell make it even 5 bosses and they each drop a different flower petal and its 5 different cursed players

[tight halo]

having you name pop up as a boss is a big deal and some people will be jealous again

[vapid python]

This

[icy bough]

Oh yeah good point

[rigid drift]

Boss should be elden ring Melania levels of difficult lol

[icy bough]

I still like gifting it out!

[royal frigate]

what if by getting the flower you also get put into the boss name pool ?

[lapis parrot]

It's not even that, I wonder how many sessions of gardens you can have before it becomes a problem, like system wise. Adding a bunch of flowers like that sounds disastrous. Just rotate gardens. I actually think the system can genuinely break considering the suggestion would mean you have to give everyone flowers. Unless there was a limit. With a limit of flowers handed it could be fine, but then maybe there's not enough for everyone. It's complicated. Just rotate gardens

[royal frigate]

so the early cursed players have an advantage

OH WAIT WAIT

[grizzled bloom]

Hah, P2W

[tight halo]

might help but still people have entitlement issues

[night flame]

the rotation would also give a reason for people to visit flowers they wouldnt normally like to see if their flower is there

[icy bough]

If they add honoria to soulframe would it upset people if cursed founders got their own title or something?

[royal frigate]

and when you kill a "named boss" that player gets a inbox message
X player killed your cursed self or something like that

[potent rain]

Absolutely for me

Either way we are founders

The title would be founders

[tight halo]

that would fill up your inbox unless it was once and your name is out

[royal frigate]

if its unnobtainable yes

[vapid python]

They would, most likely, yes.

[lapis parrot]

Naturally, you didn't do anything special. DE had issues with payments. Just give arcs to the affected and rotate gardens. I don't get a special unique mug if my real life delivery is late.

[icy bough]

Okay, I see.

[royal frigate]

could just stack into 1 a day. X Y Z names killed you today

[vapid python]

Even if it didn't give any benefit whatsoever

[royal frigate]

signed mug

[vapid python]

The flower already has people up in arms imagine what a title would do

[potent rain]

We've seen this plenty, with all my love its not productive

[tight halo]

haha yeah you cant win with half the people

[potent rain]

It'll derail the conversation

[vapid python]

Again, arcs give an ingame advantage and is very impersonal

[tight halo]

no matter what you do someone will freak out

[icy bough]

I still think it would be nice to honor the community event with some type of compensation thats a little more special than arcs.

[lapis parrot]

If you need a personal reward for a late delivery you're entitled

[tight halo]

if it worked maybe but maybea once a week or month

[royal frigate]

it shouldnt be personal and it doesnt give you an advantage. you can just buy as many as you want

[icy bough]

Can we not?

[zealous cloud]

+1

[royal frigate]

maybe have it so you can set it in the options. 1-30 days manually

[tight halo]

entitlment is the game with founders i think

[lapis parrot]

The game wasn't ready for founders anyway but that's another discussion. Or mtx

[tight halo]

just seeing what has happened the last few days makes me sick

[potent rain]

Ya'll are gonna summon the gods

[tight halo]

sorry mods

[cursive moat]

Envoys, I'm seeing the same points brought up once again, the Arcs idea has been mentioned before already, we don't need to retread these conversations over and over

[potent rain]

I don't know if people are gonna listen tbh

[tight halo]

this thread is huge yeah its going to happen

[potent rain]

They have an opinion, see a thread about it, and write it up

[tight halo]

look not trying to be rude but come on

[cursive moat]

If new people join and bring up repeat points that's understandable, but these are the same people, so I'm kindly asking them to stop

[potent rain]

If it stops it you have my praise

[zealous cloud]

I'm keeping mine too. I don't see a point in planting them now. Too late.

[royal frigate]

How about a survival mission where you get swarmed by weak AF enemies and all are cursed names. You have to survive 10-20 minutes for the flower and after that they kill you and you get added to the cursed name pool

[night flame]

they should listen to the mod like what ur point is the mod shouldnt try because it might not work?

[potent rain]

Not what i said

[tight halo]

i planted one i didnt want to take up a whole area let others have a place

[icy bough]

I’m now curious on how a survival mode for sf would work

[tight halo]

and that was on like 30 lol

[potent rain]

True, especially with the open world aspect

[tight halo]

start a new thread for that lol

[royal frigate]

a big arena and 2-3 enemies get sent in?

well not too big but you get the point

it would allow cursed founders to get a head start on being cursed enemies

[lapis parrot]

Like endless

💀

[vapid python]

I think you're blowing up the flower to something way bigger than it is.

[potent rain]

And because of how long its available for this is only gonna continue, curious as to how many instances would be needed for every flower by the time it becomes unavailable

Surely the maths is possible

[icy bough]

Well yes im aware on what survival is, i was wondering specifics.

[royal frigate]

not really im just looking for a solution so everyone is happy

[vapid python]

Why not just let the cursed founders affect the already standing flowers with a cursed petal, so founders can get and grow their own

[lapis parrot]

I meant it's in game already kinda, they would just need to diversify enemies per wave and add a boss after each X number of waves

[royal frigate]

but do I get a 5th flower?

[potent rain]

Yeah this has been said and I personally enjoy the idea

[vapid python]

Yes, you harvest the petal that way...

[royal frigate]

neat then. could also have a special pot to place it in next to the tree in the camp. and takes like 2 weeks to grow or something

[icy bough]

I also think it would be cool if the flowers we planted also appeared in the nightfold

[vapid python]

Again making it way bigger than it has to be. You see a cursed petal on your own flower, interact with it, boom, cursed flower in your inventory...

[potent rain]

I would much rather display my flowers in my nightfold where I'm actively seeing them and I assume many people share the sentiment

Not my idea but love it

[royal frigate]

works for me 😄

[small lark]

Need it. I’d love to see the Nightfold get a lot of personal customization stuff, this included

[tight halo]

nighthold needs so much more to it

[royal frigate]

i love my flowers next to my helminth in warframe so yes

[potent rain]

Might inflate the current flower placement problems though tbh

[royal frigate]

even if the gardens get put on a rotation?

[vapid python]

And that's what happens when everyone gets a 5th flower regardless....

[potent rain]

True enough hence ideas of ways to solve the flower crisis being neat

[royal frigate]

The flower crisis of 25

[potent rain]

What would your idea be for a minimalist way to solve it for the sake of discussion

[lapis parrot]

I'm stealing that exact line from now on everytime someone tries to defend something. Absolute brilliance

[vapid python]

Limit the flowers to 1 per instance, instead of 4/5 in a single instance.

[icy bough]

I mean I dont mind the solution being complicated if it brings the community together tbh

[potent rain]

But depending on the amount of founders could that not still get to a very high number of instances

[vapid python]

Which will always be a thing, the system was flawed to begin with.

[tight halo]

im going to just avoid the topic of these flowers plots and so on till de post something new... hopefully something that levels the field for all those people who see issues mods hope you have fun putting all this so de can work on a way to make it not blow up more and make new factions in this fanbase

[potent rain]

My question being, if it were to be changed, how would you like it to be

[potent rain]

Yeah gonna do the same soon, not much more I can add myself

[vapid python]

Maybe limit it to one flower, let the rest be in your own nightfold

[small lark]

Who knew flowers could bring such discord

[tight halo]

me soon as i saw it

[royal frigate]

^

[potent rain]

If only it were the flowers that were causing it

Would make it so simple

[royal frigate]

granted i didnt think it will be this bad and the exclusive flower just put gas on the fire

[tight halo]

my way to fix it is one founders stuff and other exclusives dont show up in when you look in game unless you have them
flowers can have plots but only a few instances where they cycle though and when your there the flower shows where you planted it or where close to it if another planted there was already there the rest of the time it cycles evey minute or so every founders name no matter when you got on can be seen and not taking up the rest of the garden
(will that annoy the first people yes but it make many others happy)
other seeds can be planted at the nighthold in a garden where you pick the one you want at the plot
people just respect each other and the game
also if this game gets a void trader like person they better pop up in the garden haha de if they dont we might just burn down you stuido ... (thats a joke mods)

after all that they need to say no more sorry about these things and limit exclusives to yearly things that you can get playing the game or from the shop

and thats it dont ping me please it seems like a bit of the fanbase want this sort thing in the few threads i have looked in and i think its fair top most yes the first in on founders may be annoyed maybe some code to make their plants pop up in the main area a little bit more or jsut show up more but i just had it personally with this flower exclusives talk

[wind fog]

Because other people did the same thing and couldn't buy for hours because of the zip code/wrong currency bug. (I had to wait 16 hours). And we won't get anything. The cursed founders have defended their right to be compensated in here, so why is it fair for one crowd to be compensated and not the other ? I was there day one the minute it launched.

[tired pendant]

Creating division among founders over an inconvenience that a lot of players experienced at launch (cursed or not), while ignoring the main issue (the garden race / FOMO), really doesn’t feel like the right call to me.

[tight halo]

Agreed

[supple turtle]

As someone who doesn't really like the cursed flower thing, I fully support you and think that people who had zip code/currency/region problems should also be included for the cursed flowers if they're going to exist anyway. I think it's strange how often people (particularly the ones on the "cursed" list) seem to be conveniently forgetting that the people who happened to land on that specific list were not the only ones who were there immediately and ran into a different kind of problem that was just as much due to no fault of their own.

Still not a fan of the cursed flowers overall though.

[royal frigate]

there should be a compensation but not one that is exclusive

[fringe sonnet]

Compensation as mentioned previously already should be currency related not some exclusive item

[tired pendant]

Yeah, exactly. That’s why so many other live-service games handle compensation in a simple, boring, but fair way: they send everyone some currency or useful materials through in-game mail, because you never perfectly know who was affected and to what extent.

[maiden field]

This 💯

[lapis parrot]

This.

[royal frigate]

unrelated but are you MR27? @fringe sonnet

[fringe sonnet]

yes

[royal frigate]

heh had you in a mission yesterday

[fringe sonnet]

MR 10 > 11

Prelude Honour will return

same thing happened with Warframe closed beta tester reward being brought back and available for the rest of the community which is the Lato Vandal

[royal frigate]

i dont mind if they are brought back later

[wind fog]

The main issue is that, and I've said it yesterday, DE has no way of knowing who was trying to buy and couldn't. I could be in here saying I couldn't buy and be lying. So since the company can't verify who was affected by the terrible currency/zip code bug as well, it seems crazy to me to think about compensating one part of the community who had issues, and not the other one. Now since you can't know for sure, the compensation would need to be "to everyone".

If I launch something tomorrow and half the community is affected by something, and the other half is affected by something else, I'm obviously not going to be giving compensation to only one group because the other ones "I can't verify". It needs to be everyone who gets compensated, or none at all. It's simple business.

[tired pendant]

Can't wait for Blessed Flowers when payment issues happen with Console/Steam Founders

[supple turtle]

Right, I agree. I didn't have time to respond to things much yesterday but to me it's a huge part of why it's so weird to compensate a specific subset of the people who were affected by one type of problem, when others existed and people ran into them in the same time window. I did mention something brief about the other groups but I don't remember what anymore.

The fact that they're only one subset of the people who hit problems though, and the rest can't be verified and won't be compensated, means to me that it shouldn't be compensated with anything exclusive even under the assumption of the "exclusives are fine" route (not arguing that point)

it's 4 am and I haven't slept yet so if I'm not phrasing this in a way that makes sense, I apologize

[royal frigate]

it made sense to me 😄

[lapis parrot]

It made sense to me too

[novel pumice]

Why do you guys make it seem like it was just a little inconvenience when people were robbed of their start in planting the seeds? Most cursed founders would probably give away gladly that flower if it meant they could get another chance at planting in a low level garden. But that will not happen because DE will not reset the gardens. I've seen the idea of gardens showing flowers randomly and that could be a compromise, but then how do you please the founders who got to plant in the first garden for example?

[lapis parrot]

And how would you fix the current problem? What is your solution?

[lament pilot]

I really really hope this isnt a precedent for adding future cosmetics any time theres a technical issue. Servers died for a day? Free glyph to all that attempted login. Some (future supporter pack) didnt go through? Have a palette for Ratlady

[novel pumice]

I would give them the flower and make it shareable with the other founders

Like the paragon sword

[edgy forge]

They have already done it twice. Cursed seed and the honour (rng to get invited).

[vapid python]

This, me and my friend stayed up late (EU timezone) hoping and buying early in the hopes we could plant in instance 3.

[supple turtle]

Funny enough, we actually have a response from someone who planted in gardens 1, 2, & 3 #1443714523298009109 message
Not that they speak for everyone who got one there, of course. But they do get to speak for themself.

Also to be completely fair to the other side of the argument, someone who planted in garden 69 #1443714523298009109 message

[royal frigate]

it wasnt a little inconvenience and it should be addressed but its also not something that warrants getting an exclusive item.

[novel pumice]

That's up to DE to decide

[royal frigate]

and up to the comunity to give the feedback to help them decide

[novel pumice]

Fair, although at this point it's just "yeah we want that" on one side and "no, don't give them that" on the other. And it's been going for hours and hours...

[royal frigate]

I only bring it up when someone else does

[vapid python]

Maybe a solution against the instances is getting to favorite some of them as a saved tab and if you didn't favorite one, the instances show randomly numbered like 68, 81, 154 instead of 1,2,3?

[royal frigate]

I personally dont mind if the numbers stay as long as its randomized.
The problem is as someone else pointed out they stayed up many hours to get a specific number

by randomized I mean on rotation

[vapid python]

Which is why people are getting compensated in the first place

[tired pendant]

Instead of tying the date to when the flower was planted, it should be tied to when the Founder Pack was purchased. That way, people who got hit by bugs or delays aren’t “punished” in the Garden just because the system broke on them, and early supporters still keep the recognition of being there on day one – even if their seed only hit the soil later.

[edgy forge]

Make it when you play the flute to be tped to a random one immidietely. From there once you load in you can bring the menu up and move around if you wish to.

[royal frigate]

yeah but two wrongs dont make a right. people getting compensated with an exclusive that the rest of us cant get doesnt make it better. it doesnt solve the original issue with the gardens and just creates a new problem

[novel pumice]

Let's be real, nobody cares about the date, it's the garden number everyone's after

[tired pendant]

Okay, then read this feedback again plz

[lapis parrot]

I think people that didn't plant all their flowers should get an exclusive reward too for their selfless, allowing others to plant too in higher spot gardens... And this time you actually had to do something intentionally to get rewarded...I think it's only fair

[supple turtle]

I'm not scrolling through 2400 messages to find out if this option was suggested, but instead of changing or hiding instance numbers they could randomize the order of the list. One time you open it, it shows 21, 53, 17, 60, 114, etc. Next time it's 134, 49, 90, 82, 3, etc. All instances still there and in their number, but make the order random to increase chance of someone who wasn't in a single digit room getting their flower as the first room on the list & seen by others? That seemed like what most people were concerned with from the skimming I did. Possible I missed a lot though.

I have no dog in this fight though, I'm not gonna pretend to actually understand the founders or cursed founders current opinions or feelings.
I just think it's weird to single out a subset of the people who had problems at launch and give them something more than what the others who had different types of acknowledged issues got.

[lapis parrot]

W speed poll

[royal frigate]

i think he just underestimated how important stuff like the garden number exclusive rewards are for many players

[vapid python]

Once again the cursed flower isn't FOMO. It's an exclusive. You have no Fear Of Missing Out if you weren't eligible in the first place, it's not a timed event.

[royal frigate]

still the same bad feeling as FOMO regardless of how you wanna portray it

wanna argue its not fomo fine its not doesnt change its an exclusive people couldnt get just like a fomo item

[lapis parrot]

Well it's fomo because now you basically have to think you need to be first so the system breaks and get extra rewards

So next wyld access? Be first friends, the system might break and you get uniques

[royal frigate]

not to mention people will look to break the game in hopes of getting a prize

[vapid python]

How is the game not particularly fun? That seems like a personal opinion, most people here are having a blast.

[vapid python]

You're arguing in bad faith again

[royal frigate]

Not at all. If people are rewarded when something breaks does that not encourage people to break stuff? its just simple deduction

[shadow smelt]

An exclusive that provides no gameplay advantage, and don't give me that "but you get your name seen more" that's not gameplay.

Same with the preludes honour, it doesn't do anything gameplay wise that is unique, statistically it is an exact clone of an existing talisman. it has always been a statistical clone of an existing item from the inception.

I don't have the special flower, I just think whining about it is kinda... Why, it's a flower with no gameplay advantage.

[vapid python]

The game didn't break, you're bringing false equivalence into this again. Like you have since yesterday.

[shadow smelt]

and htis is patently false, since people also get punished for breaking the game intentionally, like that caido guy who got his progress wiped for dupe glitch exploiting and bragging about it.

[royal frigate]

thats just being dismissive. if you dont see the value doesnt mean others dont

[lament pilot]

Vanity is desirable

[lapis parrot]

The heirlooms were also skins and people didn't like the exclusivity

[royal frigate]

not if you cant prove it

^

skins dont offer an advantage either

[shadow smelt]

Several logs of it, they've admitted to being wiped of progress themselves.

[vapid python]

That's not what I'm saying, this thread is for a specific issue. Not if you're "having fun" or not.

[novel pumice]

But this was not just "stuff", it was the beginning of the founder pack. And it lasted for hours, it wasn't fixed in minutes

[royal frigate]

not talking about that case in particular. there are plenty of things in the future that could be done is my point

[royal frigate]

again that doesnt entitle you to exclusivity over others. yes you get something but not an item nobody can get

[vapid python]

That's not up to you, but to the devs. If they think it's worth an exclusive item it is.

[novel pumice]

What exclusivity? And who are you to decide that?

[royal frigate]

the customer

[lapis parrot]

Can others get it? No? Exclusive

[royal frigate]

^

[lapis parrot]

Simple as

[novel pumice]

I said many times I'm perfectly fine with the flower being shareable

[vapid python]

The customer isn't always right...

[fair kraken]

Why is this not locked yet

[royal frigate]

yes they are in this case

[vapid python]

??????

[novel pumice]

lol

[royal frigate]

you cant claim im wrong just because you have to say why

[supple turtle]

mods are asleep, post sinks (this is a joke, don't do this)

[royal frigate]

and you cant use DEs decision as a shield either

[vapid python]

You can't claim to be right either?

[lapis parrot]

The customer is right in a matter of taste and I don't like the taste my companies going around and saying they are contra exclusivity and then they release exclusivity

[royal frigate]

if im wrong tell me why

[small lark]

The real problem is the original design for the gardens. We were doomed from the start because of the “scarcity” of “good spots”. While the general idea is good, it’s half-baked at best if they’re trying to avoid fomo

[novel pumice]

Were you affected by that?

[lapis parrot]

^

[royal frigate]

not getting an item others got yes it did affect me

[lapis parrot]

He paid the same for less. He's affected

[royal frigate]

^

[novel pumice]

Again, you people make it seem like DE planned this and they've cut you out

[potent rain]

Because only a small minority was given the ability to plant them, it broke quick enough that most people cursed or not didn't have the option, but pedantics either way

[royal frigate]

nobody said they planned it but it doesnt mean we have to accept it either

[lapis parrot]

If unplanned then it's not a thoughtful gift like many claimed. Just give it to everyone

[vapid python]

Yes, god forbid someone else gets something you don't. This is the issue you personally have issues with. A personal opinion, not an objective fact.

[royal frigate]

double standards. god forbit everyone else gets it

[hidden marlin]

u guys are still going? 😛

[austere coyote]

just a reminder, let's try not to be hostile towards each other, please

[vapid python]

If literally everyone else expierenced an issue with the game right now and I didn't get it because I was not online I would not complain about it no.

[royal frigate]

again experiencing an issue doesnt entitle you to an exclusive. or anything for that matter

[fair kraken]

Haven't the team had enough opinions from this to lock it?

[potent rain]

Another will be made lol

Infinite threads of this same thing

[vapid python]

This

[royal frigate]

cant really stop people from talking about this

[potent rain]

With tbe exact opinions being shared on repeat

[novel pumice]

Then make it shareable, there, problem solved

[fair kraken]

It would be nice if we focused on the quality of the gameplay instead..

[royal frigate]

that would be ok. then we can go and fix the garden issue

[vapid python]

There are plenty of other threads and channels that do that. This is about a specific issue.

[potent rain]

Has there been any actual community discussion with the devs for issues appearing, never personally seen it but haven't seen every problem to arise so genuinely curious if its a thing that has potential to happen

[small lark]

How’s this for an idea?
• refund all flowers
• do away with the cursed flower and compensate with arcs
• torch the gardens
• let us plant in our own plots in our Nightfold
• display other random players flowers on the outskirts of our Nightfold; a field of flowers that we can just chill in

[potent rain]

Garden razing event

[royal frigate]

works for me

[austere coyote]

i'm personally okay with letting it stay up, even if it's just to let everyone have a space to talk about it, but only if things stay civil
but i think it will be locked eventually if the conversation keeps devolving

[vapid python]

What bug report? It was in a livestream with Steve because multiple people didn't get it which then moved to the discord, Steve suggested the flower

[lapis parrot]

W speed idea +1

[small lark]

Become the Ode for a day

[potent rain]

Get special exclusive reward for joining it

[royal frigate]

give every player a scythe and start cutting

[potent rain]

Limited slots for players as well

[small lark]

LOL

[royal frigate]

a exclusive for an event everyone can join is a bit more fair imo

[lapis parrot]

Cursed founders can have a cursed scythe for this event only too real or real

[potent rain]

Nono 5 players max

[royal frigate]

i actually wouldnt mind if its just for the event

[royal frigate]

lol

[lapis parrot]

I was serious

[small lark]

Let the reaping begin

[novel pumice]

That would be awesome

[royal frigate]

at least it would turn this mess into a fun mini-game

[potent rain]

Compensation for the issues being a sythe weapon type for cutting the gardens would be kinda hilarious

[royal frigate]

imagine the cursed players are allowed to go into instances and send back flowers to peoples inventory clearing up space LOL

[austere coyote]

maybe it was their plan all along... it was a conspiracy to introduce scythes as a weapon type

[potent rain]

Steve the genius

[small lark]

Scythe feels very on brand for this game. We surely will get them eventually

[fluid cipher]

sounds more like something that be tied to bitas eve lol

[potent rain]

Pvp event, cursed founders, vs founders, vs normal players, winner chooses outcome

[royal frigate]

they could also make all the cursed flowers to rotate from player to player. If you plant one other players can find and claim it for themselves (cant hold in the inventory for more than a week)

that would make people visit gardens more

hunting cursed flowers

[zealous cloud]

This. It was doomed to upset people even if there were no payment issues and exclusive flowers.

[potent rain]

One person running around stealing every cursed flower

[royal frigate]

can only have 1 at a time ofc lol

[small lark]

That’s a good point and a great idea.
Side note: I haven’t planted my flowers yet. Is there an indication of where you’ve planted yours?

[potent rain]

Damn it was gonna be me

[lapis parrot]

You need to remember I think

💀

[small lark]

Yeah, that’s unfortunate

I’m saving mine in hopes that I’ll be able to just plant them in my Nightfold

Or I’ll just hold them forever, who knows

[potent rain]

The goated way to do it

[royal frigate]

nightfold would be cool a lot of people would do that and it would free up gardens

[fluid cipher]

this chat exploded while i was sleeping, so hopefully ideas didnt get buried lol

[lapis parrot]

I think it should've been one flower per garden but you could go to your plot and change the skin whenever you liked

That would've totally freed up a lot of space

[astral kayak]

I'm pretty sure there's a little mark on the instance.

You just got to remember where in the instance

[zealous cloud]

I like it.

[royal frigate]

You should be able to track where the flowers are exactly like a waypoint AND i think you should be allowed to remove and move them

[potent rain]

Imagine the events they could've made to introduce the exclusives, would've given people a bit more to do while it was occasionally lacking, just a thought provoker

Avacado smashing gamemode

[fair kraken]

Summoning sparrow while in a garden leads you to your plant

[small lark]

psst! big legs!

[royal frigate]

what if you have 5 there

[potent rain]

Scam artist would be a paste if I had it my way

Boutta make guac

[vapid python]

What do you have against him? 🥺

[lapis parrot]

He's a green weed

[edgy forge]

Went from a seed to a garden, to a motif, whats next? A pact? Lmao

[rigid drift]

Meh I would be fine with just cursed paragon title instead of just paragon on forum or something minor like that

Flower is probably still happening regardless though we shall see

[zinc jolt]

I thought every founder was getting a cursed bloom flower, but if its exclusive to people who encountered payment issues, then this is a huge let down by DE already.

[ornate loom]

the flower was made as compensation for the issues

this is a net win for the community as it signifies the fact that DE does care about your issues and righting wrongs- maintaining good will with the customers

The issues affected the most dedicated and loyal

[edgy forge]

It only signifies that next time if you want special exclusive rewards you should wish to face an issue.

[ornate loom]

DE isn't the type of place to just screw them over

[royal frigate]

it isnt a net win for the community its a net win for a small minority that got an exclusive

[ornate loom]

You are short sighted

[royal frigate]

not at all. youre being disingenious by pretending an exclusive is the only reward they could have given out

[ornate loom]

The flower is by far the best option

[royal frigate]

worst*

an exclusive is in no way a good option

[ornate loom]

*objective best decided by DE after they had their meetings

[royal frigate]

that implies their decision is always right

which isnt the case

its the decision they made doesnt mean its the best

[lapis parrot]

Ragebait used to be believable 💀

[maiden grove]

the best way to solve this in their eyes is no one gets anything and thats it let the screwed ppl get screwed and move on

[ornate loom]

I'd consider their experience in running games does make them quite qualified in the field

[grizzled bloom]

Bruh, I aint taking this bait 🤣

[royal frigate]

yeah thats got to be bait

[lapis parrot]

💀

[grizzled bloom]

DE make give me Blessed Founder and give me Holy flower cause I love you

[ornate loom]

"hey guys, the people running one of the most successful MMO's has no brainpower in regards to the objective best way to compensate wronged loyal customers"

[ornate loom]

Holy Founder 1k package

[maiden grove]

this arugment shows you werent even watching the stream when this situation happened

[royal frigate]

^

[ornate loom]

I feel like anyone who spends 1k on the game deserves at least some form of respect at that point

like they either are very wise whales or are going broke for the game

[grizzled bloom]

What happened?

[lapis parrot]

That's nothing I nearly got the 50k yacht in the game that shall not be named

[ornate loom]

STAR CITIZEN

[maiden grove]

the flower was basically a meme

[grizzled bloom]

Lol

[maiden grove]

like

[lapis parrot]

Bro I said yacht

Not spaceship

[edgy forge]

where winds meet?

[maiden grove]

steve said oh you guys are the cursed ones, and he himself talked about a away to compensate the cursed ones

[lapis parrot]

💀 those who know

[ornate loom]

star citizen has space yatchs that cost real money

like 20-40k, etc

[maiden grove]

all of this bc the cursed ones werent even mad at him, and started jk with it

[lapis parrot]

No regrets btw

💀💀💀

[maiden grove]

the point of this in my eyes at least is

[grizzled bloom]

So, we are the blessed ones no? Where is our special Holy flower?

[ornate loom]

the term was coined in the discord and the flower was decided to be a solid payback- many customers were miffed about not being able to get to the gardens, or even play the game

[maiden grove]

cursed ppl deserve some type of compensation

any type of compesnation will put some ppls blood boiling, either bc of a flower, or even if it was currency someone would say "why did they get more arcs than me if they paid the same".

[maiden grove]

exactly

[lapis parrot]

Yes we're the most blessed under the heavens, we need 2 flowers. One for them not having to spend extra time giving us rewards manually and one for the outrage.

[ornate loom]

yeah, also the currency can drag DE into legal hell

[royal frigate]

an exclusive is obviously way worse than a few arcs

[maiden grove]

I think that this type of pettyness might make them way more reluctant in doinf stuff like this for the community

[grizzled bloom]

100%

[maiden grove]

in your eyes, but its still not great someone will always complain and you have to agree with me

[ornate loom]

They don't understand how this actually means DE is taking a very personal closeness to the relationship

[edgy forge]

This entire situation is mentally stressing me and making me feel disatisfied. Please give me Mental Founder flower as well.

[ornate loom]

i agree

[royal frigate]

true but way less people will be upset about a few $ added to people vs an exclusive and you have to agree with me

[maiden grove]

yes and they might not do it again bc of all this

[ornate loom]

nah, they probs will
they did it in warframe tons of times

[maiden grove]

I understand that some ppl are mad about an exclusive item but in my eyes its still smth better than arcs

arcs can get real nasty aswell

[ornate loom]

^

[maiden grove]

this topic can be an endless debate

bc its a fact that some ppl deserve compensation

the cursed ones I mean

[lean wolf]

. ,. Excalibur NUFF SAID

[maiden grove]

but any type of reward will generate conflict

[royal frigate]

its really not better. if someone can drop 100$ for the packs they wont be bothered by 5$ that others got for waiting hours

[maiden grove]

they will

you might not

but someone else will

[maiden grove]

I dropped 115 XD

[lean wolf]

Exclusive items generate more conflict than A little added currency

[royal frigate]

by that logic they shouldnt have gave any exclusive cause someone will complain

[ornate loom]

They mogg, not because excalP is a good frame, but because of what it represents.

[maiden grove]

specially when they dont impact anything in the game in my eyes yes

[ornate loom]

No

[royal frigate]

yes

[ornate loom]

That's literally not what his logic would dictate at all lmao

[lapis parrot]

Partial refund?

[maiden grove]

thats what your arguments so far make me think bro

[ornate loom]

Lost customer goodwill

[maiden grove]

that would be harder on their end I think

[lean wolf]

So you agree that Exclusive items generate more conflict

• _-

[royal frigate]

its lost customer goodwill either way. people are getting a extra reward even though we paid the same

[maiden grove]

you edited your message

you said less conflict

[lapis parrot]

Harder means more effort which means it's more thoughtful. I thought you guys wanted something thoughtful?

[maiden grove]

this is actually sad @lean wolf

[royal frigate]

and he corrected himself

[lean wolf]

I was correcting what it said originally as I mistyped

[maiden grove]

oh okay

my bad then sorry bro

[ornate loom]

these people are the people of envy

[lean wolf]

And you replied to it after I corrected it

[maiden grove]

I agree that exclusive items if they dont affect gameplay, they shouldnt be hurting anyone

[ornate loom]

You didn't have the same issues, you didn't have the same experience.

[ornate loom]

Agreed

[maiden grove]

yeah buit I read the other version XD

[royal frigate]

waiting 5 hours doesnt entitle you to exclusive items

[lean wolf]

^

[maiden grove]

but no one is entitled?

[lapis parrot]

Shouldn't but are. What is your suggestion to fixing this outrage? Let's rail back into giving suggestions to fix this.

[maiden grove]

no one asked for it thats the thing

[ornate loom]

The garden

it was an issue that affected the garden, and the compensation was related to the garden

Also I quite literally couldn't play for 5 hours despite making time to buy it the minute it released (and getting it on said minute)

[maiden grove]

my argument on the need of having conpensation is just this

[royal frigate]

so if no one asked for it youre fine if everyone else get it or if its removed?

[maiden grove]

I couldnt care less

[lean wolf]

. ,. This is why he's defending it because He gets to have a cursed bloom, if he wasn't he would be against it

[royal frigate]

two wrongs dont make a right. having an issue with the gardens isnt fixed by an exclusive it just creates a new problem

[rigid drift]

I had a idea instead of flowers

How about a lore book that appears in random locations in the garden

With the curse lore and a list of the names of everyone effected that can be scrolled through

[royal frigate]

its not just that he also wants nobody else to have it

[ornate loom]

The cursed bloom isn't a wrong, it's the goodwill maintained between DE and the Customers

[maiden grove]

ppl will still get mad bc they didng get "lucky" to get in the list lol

[royal frigate]

it is a wrong if not everyone that wants it can get it

[ornate loom]

This is like having a house set on fire and asking why the fire dept doesn't spray every house with water instead of the house actually affected

[maiden grove]

thats why I said any type of conpensation someone will be mad

[rigid drift]

Could be a Easter egg book of sorts

[lapis parrot]

I want some goodwill too for not needing extra support in the form of manually delivered goods.

[lean wolf]

Goodwill is offering a partial refund for time spent, not making you an exclusive item thats permanently

[lapis parrot]

I made it easier on them

[maiden grove]

but yeah I was about to say

[ornate loom]

That would be drastically more controversial and harder to do.

[royal frigate]

no thats like having your rug set on fire and you get a new car as compensation

[lapis parrot]

Not a small company

[ornate loom]

YOU view it as a new car lol

[lapis parrot]

You mess up, you put effort

[royal frigate]

i think you dont understand its an analogy that you made

[lean wolf]

No it's not . _.

DE has done said refunds before even on live stream and it was as easy as going into the code seeing who was affected by the error then entering a Paid currency amount and hitting send

[ornate loom]

No YOU made the analogy of a car lmao

[maiden grove]

when you have digital instant deliverable goods and you dont get them for a while its like a breach of contract of some sorts, like not exactly that but I cant explain better lol, they as a company had the goodwill to give smth to who was affected

[royal frigate]

and its an analogy why are you stuck on it?

[ornate loom]

^

[ornate loom]

You flip flop so much lmao

[royal frigate]

no youre just trying to disect an analogy LMAO

[lapis parrot]

Something something about me ordering something irl then not getting a 1 of 1 mug irl if it's not on time

[ornate loom]

you're like david wood

[royal frigate]

if you have a real argument bring it dont make a weird analogy and get hung up on it when people try to speak your language

[maiden grove]

I didnt understand what you meant sorry

[lyric finch]

oh wow this is still going

[lapis parrot]

If I order something in real life, expensive and important, it's a monetary dispute, I don't get a one of one mug as apology if it's late

[maiden grove]

crazy I know lol

[lean wolf]

Then just to solve the issue entirely Just add the Cursed bloom to the founders pack in general and call it a day

This acts as a Sorry for those affect and clears up any conflict with others

[ornate loom]

Once again, YOU view it was a car.

Ultimately it's justified compensation decided by DE. That's the objective reality.

[royal frigate]

again youre hung up on the analogy

you're trying to use DE as a shield that doesnt work

[ornate loom]

No it doesn't. If everyone gets the bloom you are quite literally in step one, the actual people affected didn't get anything remedied

[maiden grove]

this will make it lose its meaning but I dont care who gets it tbh

[lean wolf]

Yes they did, and you are only saying otherwise because you getting an exclusive

[royal frigate]

and youre not entitled to anything simply because you waited

[ornate loom]

Im not using them as a shield i'm saying they know what's reasonable compensation considering their vast experience

[royal frigate]

youre trying to pretend that a compensation is mandatory. its not

[maiden grove]

this argument can be used against you too bro XD

[lean wolf]

DE still gets back handed off an on for lack of compensation for past errors and issues

[lean wolf]

Actually no as I have Excal Prime yet still say the pack should come out again for those on console

[ornate loom]

In all my years I've never seen DE do the consumers wrong

[royal frigate]

you not been around for very long then

[lean wolf]

. _. REGAL AYA would like a word with you

[scarlet cypress]

whats wrong with regal aya?

[ornate loom]

nearly a decade actually lol

[royal frigate]

mag and frost heirloom as well

[lean wolf]

Correct

[ornate loom]

What about it?

[maiden grove]

imo only fumbles they did was mag and frost and excal prime

[quaint rune]

Some kind of compensation is almost mandatory, imagine you spend 100 dollars on something, and don't get that thing when you expect it, you're gonna be worried, right? Did I enter the wrong email? Is something wrong with my bank? Then you get told we don't know when you're gonna get it, could be today could be tomorrow.

[royal frigate]

so youre just going to pretend that was ok?

[maiden grove]

this is what they dont understand

[ornate loom]

excal prime isn't even the best version of excal, the only reason people care about that mid frame is because of what it represents

[royal frigate]

compensation is nice but not mandatory.

[maiden grove]

its like you go to a restaurant ask for food sit there for 1 day without food, they will compensate you

[lean wolf]

When Regal Aya 1st came out it was 30$ for 3 Regal Aya

When the original Returned prime packs were just 20$ for everything

It took over a month of anger for DE to get off their Arse in which they lowered the prices and added plat to the bundles

The same issue was with frost and Mag heirloom, they were overpriced and inflated by Regal Aya cost

[royal frigate]

people waited a few hours and act like their delivery arrived a year later

[quaint rune]

It is mandatory it is a business transaction, you are entering a contract and DE failed to provide their end of the contract lol

[maiden grove]

and mastery

[maiden grove]

yup

thank you for explaining it better

[shadow smelt]

Does a flower provide mastery rank (equivalent). Does it change the actual gameplay in any way whatsoever. Is it more than just a visual (that does have a name on it).

[quaint rune]

You go to Mcdonalds and order a hamburger. They take your money and say ''sorry you'll get your hamburger in four hours not right now''

[maiden grove]

I couldnt find the right words lol

[royal frigate]

that was the payment processor not on DEs side so no DE has no obligation they are doing it just to be nice. so no its not mandatory

[ornate loom]

nope~ nope~ and nope~

[quaint rune]

It doesn't matter who's at fault DE did not provide their end of the deal

[maiden grove]

man I want everyone to be happy but at this point it makes me wish that they give more stuff just to ragebait some ppl

[lean wolf]

And they could recompensate you with extra Paid currency instead of an entire exclusive permanent item

[ornate loom]

Actually I got my receipt but couldn't access the game. the issue was in fact on their side iirc

[marsh verge]

the issue that happened was because of DE, they missed something they needed to do so (This was direct from Steve) the info got blocked when the transaction company sent it

[royal frigate]

false equivalency. the employees arent the ones at fault for the delay. the payment company is

[quaint rune]

I buy a box of vintage pokemon cards from a guy who bought them from another guy. The cards are fake. Does that mean the middle man gets to keep the money?

[grizzled bloom]

What does your Cheese pack contain?

[lapis parrot]

That's a refund lol

Instantly

[ornate loom]

@quaint runelove your pfp btw

[quaint rune]

Thanks!

[maiden grove]

but some ppl didnt

[quaint rune]

DE didn't do that either, they just kept the money and said trust us

[ornate loom]

the goodwill is for those who didn't

the stream was chaos many people DID refund asap lol

[royal frigate]

still doesnt mean they are forced to give anything out legally. unless you want to point out exactly what law they are breaking and somehow that law is bypassed by a flower

[maiden grove]

you couldve refunded if you want, the ppl that trusted and didnt got a token

[quaint rune]

They are legally, they took money and did not provide a service lol

[lean wolf]

I find it funny how y'all skip over my Points entirely when they prove DE's issue and even gives a better example of compensation

[royal frigate]

so you ask for a refund. simple

it happens all the time

[quaint rune]

They should have just stopped all intake of money and refunded until it was fixed but they didn't

They just kept taking money and said don't worry we'll fix it

[grizzled bloom]

How dare they 😡
They should compensate the entire community for this.

[quaint rune]

If it was anyone other than DE people would have been up in arms

[ornate loom]

And the people who didn't are being shown goodwill for their trust in the company and enduring the skin peeling

[marsh verge]

naw you are going a bit far now ---- they acknowledged the incident right away and were working on a fix...it would be different if they literally took your money and never responded to or acknowledged you

[lapis parrot]

Ragebait used to be believable

[quaint rune]

only if you were in discord would you know this

[royal frigate]

now youre moving the goalpost.

[ornate loom]

you disagree with someone and call it rage bait please interact with more diverse peoples

[marsh verge]

naw they posted it in their forums, on their stream --- anyone who was buying right away was watching all these info streams or were hunting it down

[quaint rune]

My cheese founder pack came with a cheese sword...it crumbled as soon as I tried to use it 🙁

[maiden grove]

XD

I feel bad for mods, looking at this for so long lol

[lyric finch]

For me, it's never about the flower, y'all cursed founders keep that because you can't really uncompensate something.

It's Steve.

He said "no FOMO" and these systems - numbered gardens and unobtainable items - show the opposite of that.

I'd just like DE to keep their integrity by sticking to their word.

[marsh verge]

i probably would have locked this as a mod a long time ago lol, the feedback was given people just spamming nonsense now

[royal frigate]

locking doesnt help people will just move to another channel

people are frustrated and rightfully so

[lapis parrot]

I'm waiting for my blessed founder reward

[lean wolf]

@[DE]team @[DE]community

[quaint rune]

The mods know if they do that people just move to general chat with it. A couple days ago there was an almost exact thread of this that I'm pretty sure they just used as practice for when the news dropped and more people would be outraged. And that's what happened, they would shut the thread down for an hour and people would move to general chat and make it worse.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah. Remove preludes Honor from Compendium

[maiden grove]

Im not sure bc I wasnt present back then but when he meant that wasnt related to playeable stuff (like excal skana and lato)

[edgy forge]

We would just make another thread or move to a different channel. Only way this stops is DE coming out and giving an official statement regarding the situation and exclusivity.

[royal frigate]

thats another issue they should have honestly addressed by now

[maiden grove]

I agree with ppl having the preludes honor

[marsh verge]

I think people are too upset over nothing -- personally im one of the cursed, i dont care if we get any "compensation" i still go what i paid for and supported DE and thats it, and the people who are upset about a flower? that's just silly to

[maiden grove]

they got wiped

[quaint rune]

Yes, Steve has made it clear in the dev streams that no fomo is meant for gameplay exclusivity. He loves the idea of ''i was there'' exclusives.

[maiden grove]

they deserve it

[maiden grove]

this

[royal frigate]

yeah but we all are here now and yet only a few get an exclusive

[lyric finch]

i'll be sticking to what he said on devstream, not interpretations of what he could have meant

[royal frigate]

i got wiped and didnt get it

[crimson stone]

I already said as much yesterday, but the reality is that the 'compensation' should simply exist in the form of all Founders flowers displaying date of purchase rather than date of planting (as to alleviate the issue of those who couldn't plant on the first day), and then DE can randomise the instances so there's no number-centric notion of prestige.

I'll likely benefit from the cursed flower as my payment was stuck into the early hours of the morning, but it's not a necessary compensation when the above solution exists

[lean wolf]

They said that back when the Excal back lash started then they did it again when Heirlooms were intorduced

[royal frigate]

^

[lean wolf]

Then again they screwed up when adding regal aya

[dense dune]

Just ignore or block unknown if you can't ignore him, he's been trolling since yesterday.

[lyric finch]

yep, it's like they never learn. and that's what id like them to takeaway with this entire thread

[quaint rune]

To them, Heirlooms were fine because it was cosmetic, it was only after they got the backlash that they realized it was the wrong decision. That's why soulframe I think has been very careful not to mention anything legally binding about exclusivity.

[maiden grove]

this might fix most of the issues yes

[lean wolf]

Then even went as far as to INFLATE prices of packs by including Regal Aya in skin packs that would normally be 10$

[lapis parrot]

I'll wait for my blessed founder, thank you everyone

[royal frigate]

i mean they should have known it will be received poorly. excal prime is also technically a cosmetic lets be honest

[quaint rune]

It's not its 6000 mastery.

[lapis parrot]

So is heirlooms

[lean wolf]

In the up coming Warframe Update it will be getting exclusive moves tied to the story

[royal frigate]

meh who cares they always release enough MR to get to the next rank all at once every new MR unlocked so it doesnt offer any benefits

[lean wolf]

So yeah no it's not just cosmetic anymore

[lyric finch]

we can't change what happened now, the cursed founders can keep their compensation.

this thread and its inflating comment count should be enough to show DE that we don't want the community divided over this

[grizzled bloom]

Ngl, the Blessed founder idea is solid 💯

[maiden grove]

false he is a playeable character

[royal frigate]

so is umbra

[maiden grove]

we cant compare excal with this situation at all

[royal frigate]

sure you can

[ornate loom]

Tells a story in games like this

[maiden grove]

its different type of items and games

[royal frigate]

its essentially the same thing

[maiden grove]

false

Im sorry but I dont agree @royal frigate e

[royal frigate]

if anything I can argue the flower is more impactful cause you get to place 5 instead of 4

[lean wolf]

Umbra has 1 Exclusive Move

Prime Excal will have Dual Wielded Ultimate Katana after the New Peace update

Along with an invisibility granting version of Umbras howl

[lapis parrot]

I'm waiting, I know it's coming

[maiden grove]

this they should change

[lyric zealot]

You can but it is a huge leap in the type of comparison since the place DE and the community were at the time are very different

[tacit tendon]

comparing excalibur prime to a flower is crazy

[maiden grove]

they should make 1 slot per person

[royal frigate]

yeah but everyone will have access to excal prime

[maiden grove]

everyone only plants 1

[grizzled bloom]

5 is bigger than 4. End of discussion 😤

[lean wolf]

Only for the story piece, not for after the story piece as you or get to keep him

[quaint rune]

I mentioned it before and I'll mention it again because I think it's an important lesson for people. I don't want to go back and find my other post.

Even if they don't change things, just remember that you were here and you don't need an item to show that to others. We have stories and experiences new players won't. Nobody is going to say ''oh you played preludes 12, where's your cursed flower'',

I'm not a founder in warframe, but that's okay because they can't take the experiences I had in 2013 away from me. I can talk with others about what it was like to not have an orbiter. Remember when they took machete out of the game because it was the weakest weapon? The stories and community are what matter in life, not a flower.

[royal frigate]

so do katanas stay on the prime even in normal mode?

[lean wolf]

YES, they are literally just making Excal prime a Better Stalker kit

[ornate loom]

And?

[royal frigate]

il have to see it when it comes out if it actually matters

but the problem remains the same with the heirlooms

[maiden grove]

the heirlooms they made a mistake making it timegated and costin money only

[quaint rune]

Heirlooms are 100% cosmetic and not gameplay related.

[maiden grove]

and they fixed it on next heirlooms

[maiden grove]

and this

[tacit tendon]

frost and mag heirlooms were a tactic to make tencent shut up after they aquired shares was it not ?

[maiden grove]

I love playing mag I would love to get mag, I was on a break back then and didnt have 80moneys for it well my bad lol

move on

[maiden grove]

I think so

tencent prob had some touch in it

[royal frigate]

so what youre saying is the flower is worse than the heirloom. because the flowers actually let you plant 5 instead of 4

[lapis parrot]

Don't worry we'll get 2 flowers compensation with the blessed

[maiden grove]

they should change to 1 slot per person

[quaint rune]

No I think it's all a bit silly, nobody is visiting the gardens and admiring the founders.

It's cosmetic

[lyric zealot]

That’s not a gameplay advantage though

[maiden grove]

and honestly not even that cosmetic XD

[ornate loom]

the heirlooms are akin to the badges founders are all getting lol

[royal frigate]

false. if nobody is visiting gardens then why are people focused on them so much?

[lapis parrot]

So will be the blessed flower. Cosmetics. Don't expect it cursed peeps

[royal frigate]

5 flowers vs 4 is an advantage. maybe not a combat one but still part of the gameplay

[quaint rune]

because people are in a state of arrested development and haven't come up with coping skills to handle their fomo. They see flower and get jealous that some people get something they don't.

[ornate loom]

TRUE

[lapis parrot]

Yea we did what you gonna do about it

[lyric zealot]

And so if having more skins for a frame by that logic

[lapis parrot]

We're customers the same

[maiden grove]

honestly no jk, if they gave a blessed flower to ppl that didnt get issues on those 1st hours and the cursed to the others would it be an issue in yalls eyes?

[tacit tendon]

people are just jealous

[lapis parrot]

I want compensation for this outrage

[royal frigate]

isnt it double standards to point out peoples jealousy but not the selfishness of people that dont want others to have it ?

[lean wolf]

Excal Prime currently: Slightly Buffed Excal with a key face

Excal Prime AFTER new Peace: 1st ability) Upon Critical hit amplifies the critical damage of all fire arms for 20s

2nd ability) For each Blade stuck into an enemy Excal Prime weaponizes their life force to grant himself Overguard

3rd ability) Excel Prime releases a Howl of War embracing the shadows of the battle field granting himself higher Status chance and Critical chance while Unseen (15s Invis + AoE enemy Stun)

4th Ability) Embracing the training of the Dax Guardians Excalibur Prime Forces his energy into Two seperate Nikana's Of light allowing him to strike the foes Twice

[ornate loom]

W excal

[quaint rune]

its not selfishness, they were promised something and don't want it taken away

[royal frigate]

youre not getting it taken away. others just get to also have it

[lapis parrot]

Imagine

[ornate loom]

i find it likely they might add this to umbra later on lol

[maiden grove]

this can be used againt you aswell bro

[lyric zealot]

That’s wild

[royal frigate]

no it cant because im not the one that started throwing out words like jealous as an argument

[lean wolf]

They won't as it's Excal Prime exclusive I have Excel Prime and the behind the scenes founder access

[ornate loom]

@royal frigatereal talk on a side note how did you pull off that user name 💀

[maiden grove]

this can be used as you want to have yourself but wont so youre mad (might not be true but looks like it)

[lapis parrot]

Who's more selfish, the one who has more and doesn't wanna share or the one that has less?

[royal frigate]

was drunk playing deadbydaylight lol

[maiden grove]

ayo a dbd player lessgo

[lyric zealot]

That is not how selfishness works

[ornate loom]

W either way. If a founder still sticks around they deserve some glazing

[ornate loom]

they don't even let us swear in this server 😭

[lapis parrot]

You're cursed, I'm not gonna debate you, y'all dishonest

[quaint rune]

And excal prime is different inheriently. I don't think excal prime should be given to everyone, the founders at the time took a big risk, an unkown company asks for money that you may or may not get back for a game that may or may not last more than a month. They took a risk that paid off.

[maiden grove]

I find it selfish if someone that wasnt present at the time wants smth like the ppl that were there

[lean wolf]

No, in my eyes it's BS as consoles were not even given a chance to play WF until the game started going down hill even AFTER the Excal Prime release

Meaning that Console players should be given a chance at the Excel Prime Founders pack as well

[lyric zealot]

You know nothing about me, I have literally said that I am open to losing my flower but ig generalize people just because a flaw in your logic was acknowledged

[maiden grove]

this is true but not the discussion rn

[ornate loom]

1k dolla excal prime access

[royal frigate]

its by definition selfish to want something for yourself and not want others to have it.
It literally has no effect on you but you just want to gatekeep it

[lapis parrot]

I want the community manager to do it's job and make a statement to the community in regards to the situation. I don't want players with clear agendas to answer me anymore

[lean wolf]

It was 100$ to get everything in the pack 2 Weapon & a Prime frame

Along with a Mission named after you which they did not keep their promise on

[ornate loom]

In that case:
Please gimme yo mone sur

[maiden grove]

youre free to leave the thread XD

[ornate loom]

adjusted for inflation + not screwing over most of the foundrs that do want it to remain exclusive

[maiden grove]

the pack was 250 dollars

excal with both weaps

[lapis parrot]

I'm waiting for the community manager to address the situation. There is enough feedback

[lyric zealot]

This thread literally exists for communication between players and DE

[lean wolf]

Most of the founders that want it to remain exclusive don't even play the game anymore or have sold their accounts for thousands already

[ornate loom]

250 was for the status of NPC's glazing you and lato prime iirc

[quaint rune]

Here's another coping skill for FOMO that I try to teach my students.

You weren't invited to the party, but that's okay, you can have fun, others having fun doesn't take away from your fun. You didn't get an invite, but you didn't lose anything.

For soulframe, you weren't given a flower, but you didn't have anything taken from you. You can have the same amount of fun you were always gonna have with the game.

[maiden grove]

yeah but you could only get both weaps and excal on this pack I think no?

[ornate loom]

nah I know one who DOES play the game and this and was infact cursed as well

[royal frigate]

how do people cope with no longer having the cursed flower exclusive and be given to everyone?

[ornate loom]

250 included everything yeah

[lapis parrot]

Mods said hours ago to stop cycling the same arguments and we keep cycling the same arguments. I'm waiting for a response from the community manager

[maiden grove]

well Im out Ive shared my views multiple times alr, much love all of you take care >:)

[lyric zealot]

Im aware but you keep adding little insults to your messages as if players aren’t encouraged to discuss these issues

[grizzled bloom]

I, the Blessed Founder by Mora herself have appeared

[lyric zealot]

Just don’t be insulting peeps cuz you disagree

Thats a separate issue

[quaint rune]

They still have the stories of the day. The flower is just pixels on the screen, it doesn't mean anything. It's value in of itself is nothing. I would guess most of the people in this thread don't even know the story behind the flower. In years to come nobody is going to know the story of the flower.

[royal frigate]

so if its not important why is it important to gatekeep it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yall stand no chance against my Holy flower

[lean wolf]

That's what they said about Excalibur Prime back then

Now look it's literally a featured part of the story and getting a massive power increase

[quaint rune]

You asked for coping strategy lol. That is what I would say to someone who is upset if it was made to not be exclusive.

[royal frigate]

lol fair

[ornate loom]

why is it important to you that people who were affected aren't actually compensated with the flower?

[quaint rune]

No it was different, Excal prime is worth 6000 MR which back then was worth a lot

[lean wolf]

Why is it important you that you get the flower exclusively instead of just a bundle of paid currency free .,.

[royal frigate]

because everyone should be on an even playing field. either everyone can get it or nobody can

[ornate loom]

the garden harm that couldn't be repaired with simple arcs

[lean wolf]

Excal Prime currently: Slightly Buffed Excal with a key face

Excal Prime AFTER new Peace: 1st ability) Upon Critical hit amplifies the critical damage of all fire arms for 20s

2nd ability) For each Blade stuck into an enemy Excal Prime weaponizes their life force to grant himself Overguard

3rd ability) Excel Prime releases a Howl of War embracing the shadows of the battle field granting himself higher Status chance and Critical chance while Unseen (15s Invis + AoE enemy Stun)

4th Ability) Embracing the training of the Dax Guardians Excalibur Prime Forces his energy into Two seperate Nikana's Of light allowing him to strike the foes Twice

[vapid python]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-smug-face-smug-smirk-incredibles-gif-17963905493279131651

[lapis parrot]

The flower is worth 25 bucks. We paid 100 and got 4, you paid 100 and got 5

[ornate loom]

technically everyone could get it if they charged in minute 1

[royal frigate]

thats not how fairness works.

[quaint rune]

Excal prime is not the main topic here. But let me ask you this, would you give 150 dollars to an unknown company saying 'trust us, we aren't gonna run off with your money'

if you say no, then you probably weren't going to buy founders in 2013

[ornate loom]

he did buy founders (i think)

[lean wolf]

• _- do not avoid my point by asking a question of a false equivalence

[ornate loom]

@lean wolfdid you get founders?

[lean wolf]

On Warframe Yes, on Soulframe Not yet as I'm debating if DE is still kicking themselves

Which it seems they are

[ornate loom]

just buy the dip, go all in

[grizzled bloom]

Blessedd Founders or no buy

[ornate loom]

I love tencent

[quaint rune]

OMG! Your eye! 😛

[lapis parrot]

Why would he buy. He gets less.

[royal frigate]

^ literally how a lot of people are going to view this flower incident. Why buy the highest tier when you dont get everything. might as well buy a small pack or none at all

[ornate loom]

ah, thought it was always a sub

[quaint rune]

Just because someone gets more doesn't mean you get less. Are you also upset that people get an extra chicken nugget in their orders at restaurant and you only get the amount you paid for

[lapis parrot]

No, we got less

[royal frigate]

thats exactly what it means. if others got more i got LESS than them

[lapis parrot]

This is not chicken nuggets, it's placements in the credits that is gardens

[edgy forge]

The nugget analogy is wrong. If you want more nuggets, you have the choice to buy another box. If I want the seed there is no way for me to get it, even if I am willing to pay more or do something.

[lean wolf]

. ,. if the amount with extra Chicken Nuggets is an average thing and we are paying for what we ordered yet a large enough number are getting that extra THEN YES as that extra becomes the average or common denominator in the notion

[royal frigate]

^ exactly. the correct analogy would be random people also got an icecream but the icecream is not for sale

[lean wolf]

EverdarkRaven "indi" comparison ideas are not going to work when they do not fit the problem

[ornate loom]

so ultimately DE should actually let people buy seed

more seed to grace yee old fertile lands

[lean wolf]

Ding ding ding

[edgy forge]

Could be a solution, one of them.

Give it for free to the affected people and let others buy it if they want it for Arcs

[royal frigate]

its the best solution without Fword-ing anyone over

[ornate loom]

i would love to cover soulframe with my seed

[lean wolf]

Give it for free to those Affected then allow those with the Largest Founders pack to buy it for Arcs

[ornate loom]

my seed could populate much of eternium

that's the worst solution lmao

[vapid python]

Or how about you can just accept not everything can be obtained? Paying for a flower that nobody will ever see is just sad and goes against their pay model

[lapis parrot]

See they keep moving the optics to keep it exclusive

Now they calling it sad

Lol

If it's so sad why do you want it exclusive

[ornate loom]

The flower is for those affected lmao

[edgy forge]

It is even sadder hoarding exclusivity because you were affected by it. I bet you would be on the other side of the argument if you were not affected.

[vapid python]

Fine by me at this point if it makes you all stop whining about it entirely, get rid of all the flowers, nobody gets any.

[ornate loom]

As a cursed founder, i think the flower is a good idea, same with prelude honors

[vapid python]

Sure

[quaint rune]

I posted yesterday that I think the solution would have just been to commemorate the moment rather than make an item. I get that steve loves ''I was there'' moments, but that can be accomplished without FOMO. He needs to think more businesslike almost, it should have been ''oh here's 100 arcs, sorry for the inconvenience'' and then if he wants to commemorate the moment, set up a spot in the gardens to tell the story.

[lapis parrot]

Perfect analogy considering that at the end of the trilogy they destroyed that garbage lol

[quaint rune]

Do nothing isn't the answer unless you want to risk a class action lawsuit

[royal frigate]

what law are they breaking?

you could have just asked for a refund

[lapis parrot]

Literally like they still handed it out loool

[edgy forge]

Class action? What's next? Presidential order?

[lean wolf]

Technically speaking.... said lawsuit is actually viable under specific state and country laws given the fact that the item was exclusively given to those with the largest Pack

But others with the same largest pack who spent the same amount will not get it

[grizzled bloom]

I wanna know who was about to sue them? 🤣

[royal frigate]

^

I waited 5 hours wheres my million dollars

[grizzled bloom]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ornate loom]

DE isn't doing this because of being sued they're doing it to maintain goodwill with the most dedicated of their customers

[lapis parrot]

💀⚰️💀💀 you're asking for too many answers

[vapid python]

Will you please stop arguing in bad faith

[quaint rune]

If you don't think DE broke a contract then I don't know what to tell you.

[royal frigate]

Also saying they are doing this to not get sued is false. IF they were to get sued the flower wouldnt have stopped them

[edgy forge]

Most dedicated? The 3.000 people who were randomly selected are now most dedicated?

[grizzled bloom]

Did someone just got thanos snapped?

[royal frigate]

it was a joke

[lapis parrot]

They lost goodwill from who didn't get the flower. We need compensation to restore goodwill. Blessed founder edition

[vapid python]

Not that message specifically, just in general

[ornate loom]

1k dolla True Fae Founder pack

[royal frigate]

in general ive been pretty fair with everything

[edgy forge]

Fae-nder Pack (ops replied to wrong message)

[lapis parrot]

Does it have cursed flower?

[gilded oriole]

As someone who had to wait 6h before they fixed the region/currency/zipcode issue and also didn't get to plant the first day or the first instances: I'm totally ok with the cursed ppl getting this. They deserve compensation and I think a flower with the true date they signed up in is fair.

[lapis parrot]

Of course you think it's fair cos it's something you get and we don't

[royal frigate]

exactly. it doesnt have to be an exclusive item

[lapis parrot]

Naturally you want more rewards, I don't blame you

[gilded oriole]

They were all people who bought in the first 10 minutes. After that payments went through just fine

[ornate loom]

if you pay 1k it should have a special MONUMENT to you in every server or instance 0 heavenly garden with every flower + ELITE flower

it's a thousand usd, gass em up fr

[edgy forge]

I bought it the first minute before they even call it on stream "Our first founder" and I received it normally without an issue. So what am I?

[gilded oriole]

What do you mean? It is fine that it's a new flower. There is no progression tied to it. No xp/affinity

[royal frigate]

still that doesnt mean those people deserve a exclusive prize thats silly