Eternium Garden & Cursed Bloom Compensation – Why this approach worries me

[rigid drift]

They could do green magical text on a rock wall that changes alphabetically

[lyric zealot]

So you’re not anti fomo but you’re anti fomo?

[maiden grove]

XD

[sand hawk]

Exclusive items are always time gated, what do you mean. NO EXTREME EXCLUSIVITY. They are keeping their word, you are missing a FLOWER.

[maiden grove]

I love how I revived the fight XD

and I didnt even want to XD

[lyric zealot]

You can’t say that I don’t mind some fomo but then go how dare de say no fomo and then do fomo, that’s contradictory

[west crypt]

they could make every instance have the wall so technically everyone who was cursed would appear on every instance

[cobalt anchor]

Randomly change each flower spot on all the instances at once, so all flowers have same rates to pop up. People are not buying packs due to regional prices being wrong, we already around 100 instances if not more

[rigid drift]

In any case just making suggestions I don’t really care either way

[west crypt]

then it would not be an item that would be gained exclusivelly, just a name on a scrolling list and everyone would have every item obtainable

[maiden grove]

if they did that the smartest thing would be to make a wall like that on every relay (kith alca etc) and do a different board on different faction (appearance wise to make it fit the relay) and just put the names there I guess

[sand hawk]

Ngl not even a fight, just crazy entitlement from people who came in 3 years late, dropped 100€ for access and demand every item they missed.

[maiden grove]

yeah I dont get it lol

[lethal thicket]

I wish I read my email from soulframe back in march 2024 😂

[rigid drift]

You would think it’s a flower that instantly unlocks everything and beats the entire game

[west crypt]

the craziest part is that were supposed to CONSUME the item, its gonna be planted either way

[maiden grove]

like I understand their point of view but the item being given is so irrelevant that I find it a bit petty XD

[sand hawk]

Exodia Flower

[shrewd jetty]

ngl I forgot this game existed until I saw a video about the founders pack and I got invited like january

[west crypt]

and no one will have no more items thaan another

[lethal thicket]

real.

[sand hawk]

Okay will you have the cursed flower in instance 2039138912833128389 in the far left corner? I think not. /s

[west crypt]

its gonna be planted and there will only be a name in the end

[maiden grove]

there are 4 joineries and a necklace with stats exclusive, but were fighting over a flower

[west crypt]

one single name even, not like 2 or 3

[serene solar]

I disagree, rotating the instances every day for example would allow everyone an equal amount of time in the low level spots. I don't think anyone could complain at this because it means everyone gets equal exposure.

[tired pendant]

Codes being handed out on streams came after the window where Preludes Honour was actually obtainable. Honour was only given to accounts that were already in and got wiped during the invite-lottery phase.

[west crypt]

its gonna literally be a line of text

[drowsy plover]

You posted "Exodia Flower" at 4:20 and let me tell you, a strain called "Exodia Flower" would absolutely obliterate.

[maiden grove]

if ppl watched the stream half of them wouldnt be mad with the flower XD

[lethal thicket]

I don't care too much about the flowers/garden as it is currently. Nor will I lose sleep about not having it. The only thing I think that should be done if they do not make things available for all players is just remove things from the compendium that can't be obtained. The Preludes Honor being one but I talked about that in the now locked thread.

[sand hawk]

Exposure to what? No one reading instance 1 or 50 ?

[sand hawk]

🤣

[maiden grove]

now they gonna make exodia flower bc of it exclusive to him XD

[fluid cipher]

which necklace has exclusive stats?

[maiden grove]

I meant exclusive necklace with stats

[lethal thicket]

If you have said item, stays in your compendium, obv, if not it doesn't even show up

[sand hawk]

The All-Ending-Flower, if you happen to go into the instance where it is planted, your whole accounts gets deleted. And only one player gets it by chance.

[lyric zealot]

Theres a birb necklace

[maiden grove]

XD

[fluid cipher]

the circade neck has the same stats as the birb and paragon

[drowsy plover]

Lmao

[tired pendant]

Just to clear up a couple things:

• I’m not saying “no exclusives ever”. I’m fine with normal, clearly–announced time-gated stuff where everyone has a fair shot. What I’m against is edge-case exclusivity that clashes with the “no FOMO / no extreme exclusivity” direction DE talked about – RNG invite windows, numbered garden races, and now a bug-based Cursed Bloom.

• Preludes Honour wasn’t “you played longer than me”. It was only obtainable during the invite-lottery phase before the reset. By the time codes/Twitch drops were “en masse”, that earnable window was already closed. So “if you really wanted it you’d have it” just isn’t true for everyone who was there from day one.

This isn’t me joining years late and demanding every item; I signed up early, followed everything, and still never had a fair way to earn certain things. That’s why I’m pushing for DE to fix the systems, not just for me to get more shinies.

[lyric zealot]

The true meaning of cursed flower

[maiden grove]

I corrected myself

[crimson stone]

Agree - I don't believe that the Preludes Honour necklace needs to be re-distributed personally (anyone can feel free to disagree, that's fine), but I do believe it should be removed from the compendium for those that don't possess it as to not waggle an unobtainable item in front of people's faces

[lethal thicket]

🤝

[serene solar]

Yes they are, anyone can go into the gardens, and most players that check them out in the future will go to the first few and wont srcoll down to go visit the others. I get it if you dont care, but a a big part of being a founder is exposure and recognition, and to some people being in a low level instance of the gardens is valuable, and if they spent $100 for it you dont have the right to tell them they sholdnt care about it.

[west crypt]

i just realized its gonna be a single line of text on top of a model in the end and now it makes even less sense than before, its not even gonna be in anyones inventory in the end

[maiden grove]

for me if theres an item with equal stats it doesnt need to be farmable.

example:

preludes necklace and triune talisman

[lyric zealot]

Im sorry to repeat but you need to phrase the first bullet better because it ultimately says I don’t mind fomo from de but de said no fomo so they bad

[raw pike]

i bought founders mostly to support DE, but i would like for people to see my flowers sometimes

that's basically all my feelings

[serene solar]

agree

[maiden grove]

he meant he doesnt mind fomo that affects everyone like timed events or smth

[tired pendant]

At this point I feel like I’m pointing at the sky and people are arguing about my finger.
I’m not obsessed with one flower or one item – I’m worried about the systems and the long-term direction (RNG access, bug-based rewards, numbered gardens).
If those core things get fixed, I honestly don’t care about this specific cosmetic anymore.

[west crypt]

the honour necklace is symbolic for us literally doing bug cataloguing work for the company, it was ROUGH back in the day

[maiden grove]

I dont think it will happen again tho XD

[lethal thicket]

The only other idea I mentioned in that thread was potentially make it tradeable akin to the paragon sword at some point in the future if players wanted to, but are not forced to. If not also all g

[lyric zealot]

So, the cursed flowers shouldnt exist cuz why then? Day 1 founders who couldn’t do anything until garden 40 existed

[quaint rune]

This is my suggestion

[maiden grove]

yep and I agree that yall have it

[maiden grove]

it was like 4200+ ppl XD

[west crypt]

everyone who is in preludes should have it, until the release

be it preludes 1 or 12

[quaint rune]

only the 2946 who got stuck stuck are considered cursed

[winter talon]

Question 1: To those with multiple plots; how bad would it be if it was changed so that every Founder regardless of tier only had one flower plot, but could choose whichever flower they want to show off? And perhaps even swap that flower around as they please?

I'd argue that "sure, they can just add more relays" but is it really worth having thousands of relays (we know that there were at the very least more than 2000 cursed founders, and founders in general must be at least double that by now). Thats 16 000 flower plots. That does not really seem reasonable.

Should a relay always have hundreds, if not thousands of servers open just so people can visit their flower? Is that really a technically viable solution in the long run?

Question 2: Alternatively, how would Founders in general feel about flowers randomly appearing in active gardens? Instead of chosing a spot, there is a huge flower pot in the middle that each founder can always interact and choose their active plant among the ones they have. Obviously, the game with show each Founder their own flower in said plant; and to non-founders it would be a random Founder's flower and name in the big potted plant.

[lyric zealot]

Im just pointing out phrasing issues because it can miscommunicate your point, not necessarily arguing with you about the points themselves

[maiden grove]

I dont agree bc having your acc wiped sucks and they gave it away bc of that

[ocean forge]

idk, i bought Paragon for $100 to support DE not going down the path of unfair exclusivity and using FOMO (whether mechanically like farming Enclaves in P11 to be ahead in P12 by weeks and months or financially with specific purchases), and i thought this was like that with how Founder items would return later, just to be told "actually you didnt have a purchase issue, so miss an exclusive womp womp"

This kind of situation is the kind of thing that sets bad precedence and honestly makes me not mind the idea of the game just falling off like Wayfinder for being mishandled, and that wouldn't entirely bother me, even though I spent money already.

[maiden grove]

wasnt everyone that paid and got no items?

[quaint rune]

Going back through steve said he had a list of the 2649 that didn't get out of the backlog automatically, and he says they are the cursed ones

[serene solar]

I dont think the cursed flowers shouldnt exist, i just think every founder should get them, because otherwise you are giving more stuff to some founders than others when they all paid the same. Also, I dont think this fixes the main issue with the gardens and the backlog. The main issue with the backlog was that even if you purchased the pack as soon as it came out, if you got stuck in the backlog you didn't have a fair chance to get your flowers planted in a low level garden instance. The cursed flower doesnt fix or address this.

[lyric zealot]

One of the things I suggested was making flowers display when bought not when planted, and making it so the flowers randomly change names so that everyone can get “prime spots”

[maiden grove]

oh okay

I didnt see or heard that part

[quaint rune]

It's going to create a lot of animosty next week if that's true because there's going to be 2000 people who think they are cursed that aren't. I of course could be wrong and steve has the full list of 4000 plus

[maiden grove]

I honestly dont care if I get it or not tbh

[west crypt]

what would it fix that issue then?

[sand hawk]

giving him the flower would fix it

[lyric zealot]

But not every founder got screwed about the planting time frame, so by the logic of your original message why should they get the extra flower when they already got the “valuable spots”

[maiden grove]

this is a really good ideia tbh

[lyric zealot]

But yeah it doesn’t address it the best way but that doesn’t mean ir doesn’t address it

[serene solar]

as OP stated in the original post: rotating the garden instances on a daily basis.

[west crypt]

the nature centric game was immediately ruined by the introduction of the concepts of offer and demand

its poetic, really

[quaint rune]

I'm going to be a hypocrite here because I stayed up all night to make sure I got my spot. I'm going to be upset if I lose my plants on Garden 69

[cursive galleon]

This

Thats surely a take

[wind fog]

I didn't even plant my flower, idc personnaly, I just don't want the community to be divided. So no, it doesn't have anything to do with it.

[serene solar]

so regardless of what instance you planted your flower on everyone gets a chance to be displayed in the low level instances

[sand hawk]

Me neither, all of them, I really don't care. Wont plant my cursed one either

[maiden grove]

dunno if youre jk or not but there are ppl that did that, but couldnt bc backlog

[quaint rune]

why does the instance number matter? I can promise you nobody is going to instance 1 and being like ''man, these guys are something special''

[lyric zealot]

Displaying time of purchase with rotation addresses things better

[west crypt]

now the question is: do people who bought it day one with the idea of getting the first instances be okay with and accept this?

[lyric zealot]

Real

[cursive galleon]

Who cares

[lethal thicket]

I planted mine, but I am in like instance 25 or something, nbd though

[serene solar]

Ideally the whole founders launched could be re-done and the gardens idea could be fine-tuned, but we cant go back in time. So if the launch of founders got botched like it did then you need to compensate everyone who bought into founders.

[maiden grove]

same with the flower, no one is gonna look and say "OMG hes amazing XD"

[lyric zealot]

As I said also, division will exist no matter what due to the amount of people who play

[sand hawk]

We got games with actual accomplishments, worlds first raid clears and we got accomplishments in Soulframe, buying the founder pack the fastest, logging in the fastest and grabbing an instance 1 slot for a flower

[quaint rune]

No no, people will be visiting the garden for years to come to see the cursed flowers, you're really missing out if you don't get a cursed flower

its gonna be excal prime levels of attention

[west crypt]

a lot of people do, sadly. we live in an individualist world

[maiden grove]

LMAO

[cursive galleon]

Lol

[lyric zealot]

But why compensate everyone when not everyone was screwed over? That still just shifts the issues

[serene solar]

everyone will get equal time in lower instances, so they are not losing anything. People will always be mad at something, but this solution would be the most equitative to everyone.

[west crypt]

agreed

[wind fog]

Do you know about the game Warframe ? It's the same thing, people brag about their founder badges. Nobody is looking at their profiles just like nobody will look at the flowers. It's just something they screenshot and share on Discord to brag. And having something like this is the equivalent. Which ppl who don't have it will be mad at.

[maiden grove]

time for sleep

[serene solar]

this is why i said the cursed flower idea is flawed, because it does not address the real issue, and you are giving some founders more stuff for the same price.

[cursive galleon]

People will be mad about anything, I get your point and I’m not being smug. But to those players that would whine about being first I say, “Who cares”.

[maiden grove]

you are correct and this is the entire why of this discussion ishappening lol

[sand hawk]

Bragging about something you just whipped your credit card out for is insanity. Gives me the actual ick haha

[lyric zealot]

Yeah so, rotating crops without the time planted but time bought is, likely best solution without as much issue

[cursive galleon]

They wouldnt have even been first if not for Xsolla being funny. And this is preludes, day one stuff is subject to bugs

[sand hawk]

Xsolla promoting FOMO?

[lyric zealot]

Idk, for warframe the bragging may be cuz they helped save DE

[quaint rune]

I can promise the people who work for xsolla who were brought back to work after hours to fix it were not promoting anything

[west crypt]

the instances dont even show time only day, so technically someone who bought it at the start and the end of the day have the same date on the flower

[lyric zealot]

We are dealing with a very different situation for DE in this founder session

[sand hawk]

Thats a thing an insider at Xsolla would say

[maiden grove]

XD

[quaint rune]

yeah....you got me, nothing I can say to that lol

[lyric zealot]

Xsolla wants us to kiss the bear

[serene solar]

I dont think that is the point though. People arent bragging about 'whipping out their credit cards' they are bragging about having been there from day 1 and having supported the game development from day 1. And I dont think its unfair for those who did support the game from day 1 to be recognized and rewarded for it.

[quaint rune]

all of this would have been avoided if steve had just made a phone call ''hey were're releasing an item that might get a few thousand sales today, it's not a bot attack''

[lyric zealot]

Steve needed to kiss xsolla

[maiden grove]

actually yeah

[sand hawk]

Mostly everyone crying here is not a day 1 supporter though

[maiden grove]

most ppl crying dont even know why the flower came to life lol

[west crypt]

the soulesss corporation answer in the end is the least controversial

[maiden grove]

a lot of ppl werent even watching the stream when it happened lol

[lyric zealot]

A lot of people got access to the game solo cuz they bought founder or someone else did and gifted em a code

[ocean forge]

why is it "crying" to discuss certain players getting different purchase agreements to what was owed?

[maiden grove]

on stream no one complained about the compensation

[quaint rune]

That's what I posted earlier, I think fomo for an item is a bit silly because at the end of the day it comes down to stories. Sure, give out a flower to everyone, but it won't mean anything because you can't tell the story of what happened.

[west crypt]

Dude i literally skipped the last hours of work to buy it when it came out and ended up later than most of the people LMAO

[raw pike]

i solved the puzzle and signed up on day 1, and have the preludes honor

[maiden grove]

bc those players didnt ask to pay and not recieve their stuff?

[serene solar]

being able to financially support the game has only been available to the general public since november 25. I have been here since very early preludes, and bought my founders on november 25, that was the first time i was given the chance to fianancially support the game. I do like being able to brag about that, because if this is a game you love it feels good to be able to show that you believed in it from the very beginning.

[lyric zealot]

Cuz a lot of people have said exclusive bad unless you also give me exclusive which negates a lot of things they’re arguing to get the exclusive

[ocean forge]

no i meant the people who bought a package and got less than someone else who bought the same

[maiden grove]

bro the flower is not part of the package?

[lyric zealot]

They get one less flower with no worth cuz they didn’t get screwed over

Oh no, how unfair

Life surely will end

[sand hawk]

You can support them without throwing money at them, too. And there is nothing to brag about. No one will care.

[maiden grove]

there are ppl with normal packs that got cursed aswell

[lyric zealot]

There’s better arguments for removing cursed flowers than that

[serene solar]

maybe you dont, i do, i am proud of being a founder and supporting the game fianncially, if you dont thats fine

[quaint rune]

That arguement does work for removing the flower too though, why is it a big deal if the flower is removed, its not worth anything

removing or giving it out to everyone

[west crypt]

its literally the flower in the end because they can just make a special garden and put everyone in there in an update, people are angry at the fact that others will RECIEVE something in their inventories

[sand hawk]

Bragging about it implies that there is a crowd you can brag to, I assure you, that crowd doesnt exist

[wind fog]

No one is "crying". And yes I'm a day one supporter, who couldn't buy on day 1 because of the currency/zip code bug. And I won't get anything. But I was still affected by a DE bug on launch day which resulted in me not being able to plant. Which is what the cursed founders want to be compensated for..

[lyric zealot]

I didn’t say it didn’t work, just that better arguments exist

[west crypt]

the fact that people will RECIEVE something instead of just getting a memorial

[serene solar]

thing is everyone is getting screwed over, the people in the backlog got screwed over because they didnt get a good spot in the gardens, and now DE is trying to fix that by screwing the founders that didnt get in the backlog by giving them one less exclusive item. This is why this flower solution is a bad solution

[night flame]

agree

[sand hawk]

I see plenty of cry posts, this whole thread is, in all honesty. It's a good-will compensation of DE which gets marked by FOMO by people who love to cry about everything.

[lyric zealot]

Because ultimately saying life unfair why they get more when they paid the same and pretending that the time issue isn’t a form of payment, nor is the being screwed over, just doesn’t hold as much weight as other arguments being made

[cursive galleon]

Agree, in its current state its no good

[wind fog]

I don't get why you have that approach while you have a lot of feedback threads....I don't think you would like ppl coming in there and saying you are crying...

[serene solar]

i think you are wrong, when i see an excal prime and founder in Warframe i think thats cool, and i assure you many other players feel the same way and would give an arm and a leg for the opportunity to have been a warframe founder

[raw pike]

you don't need to be in the thread if you dislike it

your voice has been heard

[quaint rune]

Oh yeah, I think the payment agreement falls flat anyway.

I went to the hotdog stand and the guy gave me a free hot dog today, guess he broke the purchase agreement for everyone else he charged that day.

[maiden grove]

thing is these founders barely have anything exclusive XD

soulframe I mean

[sand hawk]

The crowd is you then. Excal Prime is gameplay related, you actually see it actively, if you want or not. Flower is not.

[maiden grove]

maybe luckily well keep the necklace

[west crypt]

there are two very valid discussions that are getting mixed: How to meaningfully acknowledge people in the backlog and the state of the gardens

[serene solar]

still think you are wrong, clearly this post is proof of that

[lyric zealot]

The founders are getting screwed over because they aren’t getting something that holds no value because they didn’t pay for it by dealing with the issues related to the curse? Are free players getting screwed over because they joined later and didn’t get the years of currency handouts? Do we now also demand DE give everyone twice as much money in game?

That type of argument is slippery

[serene solar]

this is why the extra exclusive flower idea is bad, because founders were already disappointed in the lack of exclusive items, and now you are telling some founders that because of random luck some get more exlcusive stuff than others. Again, and example of why this extra exclusive flower idea is a bad idea

[quaint rune]

Yeah, so it comes down to wanting the attention that excal prime players get. And the flower im afraid is not going to give that attention

[sand hawk]

This thread is proof of massive entitlement, nothing else. Wasting DEs ressources on a problem which shouldn't be one.

[lyric zealot]

Im not saying the situation with the cursed flowers is great, but slippery arguments become really easy to go down way different paths and cause issues

[sand hawk]

If it would be, in any way, gameplay related, whole other story, it's not though.

[serene solar]

It sounds to me like you are angry at something and need to go resolve your personal issues before engaging in civil conversation and exchange of ideas online

[maiden grove]

I feel like DE wanted to make a meme/story with the community but with this happening theyll just cut communication and make a boring linear game. They try to connect with the community immortalizing a story/memory of the old days and this happens, everyone goes crazy.

[quaint rune]

they just need to add what preludes everyone started at to our profiles when they implement them, then we can all brag about how much more dedicated we are to the game than others because we started sooner.

[sand hawk]

Nice try, but no. I don't need a hobby psychologist evaluate my psyche online.

[serene solar]

okay hun

[sand hawk]

Let's evaluate your psyche, what a missed flower does to your bragging rights in a game.

[lyric zealot]

“Random luck” also known as they got screwed over for 5 hours and then a whole day and won’t get cursed flowers until a week latee

[wind fog]

I explained earlier about how it affects a community. You can choose to not understand those players and say they are crying, but that doesn't change the fact that they exist and they are part of the community

[quaint rune]

Yesterday was my two year anniversary in the discord, does that give me bragging rights?

[lyric zealot]

Ehhh, again slippery arguments

[sand hawk]

They are, but DE is actively wasting ressources on a COMPENSATION of good-will. You were one of the biggest defenders of the limited slots in the old discord, why the sudden 180.

[serene solar]

sure but you dont resolve the issue by creating another issue. This is what you are missing. The idea of giving more extra items to some founder than others is a bad idea, and doesnt truly address or fix the real issue with the gardens.

[cursive galleon]

Lol

[lyric zealot]

Not saying the situation is great just, be careful with arguments that can, too easily entirely lead down entirely different paths

[wind fog]

Because I can see the divide it created. You are in here saying people are crying. That's not community friendly lol

[sand hawk]

Imagine you work at DE, you design a flower for the cursed founder joke. And it backfires, now you need to maneveur out of it, for no reason.

[serene solar]

100% agree, and trying to tell other people what they should careor not care about when spending real money that they worked for

[maiden grove]

I feel like some ppl are not seeing DE's side aswell lol

[quaint rune]

except it was the ceo of the company who came up with the joke, not the designer of the flower.

[rigid drift]

For real once those flowers get planted they will be forgotten within a month

[maiden grove]

hes CEO but also codes and works normally I think

[lyric zealot]

So, do the rotations and date changes, but the implications the people who paid with their time and by getting screwed over didn’t pay just because you only consider monetary costs is a REALLY bad argument that isn’t as good as others posted here

[sand hawk]

Yeah I know, it's just so absurd to hate on that. It was a joke, pure good-will. No one gets hurt

[maiden grove]

exactly

[sand hawk]

You work at a DE, drop a huge update, founders and the only thing people talk about is exclusivity, fomo, garden, flowers.

[maiden grove]

it was a joke made he said cursed and ppl started being nice and happy that theu were cursed

[quaint rune]

What I mean was it isn't just a designer who had the idea and passed it on, the ceo came up with it, so whoever designed the flower didn't really have a choice.

[serene solar]

that is exactly what i said, to do the rotations of the garden instances, that would fix every and all issues and would make the backlog meaningless because at the end of the day everyone would end up getting the same

[maiden grove]

do you know how impactful it is to a company to sell digital goods and they are being paid for but not delivered? it completely ruins their image

if it was any other game ppl would just refund it

[lyric zealot]

Ik, we agreed earlier on that, I am addressing what you said later cuz it was going down a different path

[sand hawk]

No idea if I want to hear community friendly of you, with your absolute rancid comments on the Prelude Discord.

[maiden grove]

keep it chill @sand hawk

no need to spread hateful words around bro

[lyric zealot]

Also the division it created is like, a divide over the most non impactful thing

Which makes this all the more insane

[serene solar]

dude absolute bad faith going back and looking at post history of people, it makes you look salty and sour, like you dont care about anything other than being right

[sand hawk]

Rancid is not hateful, I just don't like being called out for something, when I saw much worse stuff on Preludes of him.

[wind fog]

Never once went that deep but sure

[maiden grove]

I understand bro but theres no point in escalating stuff not related to this theme yk, its enough stuff going around as is XD

[lyric zealot]

There are so many bugs and things we could be working together to address but a single flower of exclusive next to all the non exclusivity of the founders packs somehow created more of an uproar for attention

Just is, wild in the end

[maiden grove]

we re here discussing this topic there no point it getting like "personal" yk? I dunno if I explained correctly sorry

[sand hawk]

I don't take stuff personal, especially not online nor discord, we are good.

[cursive galleon]

Well

[charred iris]

OKAY, looks like we need a reminder. Let's keep it civil, focused on the topic, and constructive, alright! Don't insult each other, focus on discussing the ideas and topic at hand

[quaint rune]

Even if they don't change things, just remember that you were here and you don't need an item to show that to others. We have stories and experiences new players won't. Nobody is going to say ''oh you played preludes 12, where's your cursed flower'',

I'm not a founder in warframe, but that's okay because they can't take the experiences I had in 2013 away from me. I can talk with others about what it was like to not have an orbiter. Remember when they took machete out of the game because it was the weakest weapon? The stories and community are what matter in life, not a flower.

[maiden grove]

I knew one of these was coming lol

[west crypt]

what "fomo" things are in warframe aside from the founders pack?

[serene solar]

honestly i think the exclusive content is a poison pill. People are honeslty just buying into founders, and particularly paragon for the exclusive stuff, even if small like a flower. And this is why people are fighting over it. I dont think there is a solution as long as the solution means creating more exclusive content.

[wind fog]

My opinion about the slots never once were personal as to say people were "crying" or anything personal about people spend their money. The fact we didn't agree doesn't make me "rancid". I never attack anyone personally.

[cursive galleon]

Original Heirloom

Console skins

[quaint rune]

I have shoulder plates for completing law of retribution nightmare mode raid that nobody will ever be able to get again

[cursive galleon]

Super old skins from 2013-15 that noone wants

[maiden grove]

I bought to support DE, since I didnt at the start of wf (was too young at the time lol)

[lyric zealot]

And on top of that, there are so many better ways we can help improve this game than arguing over this flower. DE showed they weren’t as fomo heavy with how much they made non exclusive. Why is it that this one thing is getting way more attention than the bugs and other impactful improvements we could address lol

[sand hawk]

Not about slots, you were out of pocket several times in several threads and discussions, which is fine. Just drop it. I didn't call you rancid, but your comments. And you did attack people personally, I can pin all your comments from the Prelude and send you a PDF.

[maiden grove]

I still support wf by buying regal aya and plat sometimes

[west crypt]

aside from cosmetics, is there anythhing else that mentions players specifically?

[lyric zealot]

No matter the way it is addressed we will have fights over it unfortunately

[west crypt]

aside from like... the memorials...

[lyric zealot]

I think we just need peeps to put this energy into the other game improvements chats

[wind fog]

Sure !! And I'll do the same for yours in here !!

[maiden grove]

@sand hawk @wind fog can you guys stop pls?

[lyric zealot]

Guys

Stop

[raw pike]

yeah the daily faction standing cap is way more important to me

[lyric zealot]

A moderator said shut up with that, you disagree and thats ok

[maiden grove]

just solve your stuff in DMS

[lyric zealot]

No need to go this far

[maiden grove]

if you really want to talk about that

Im doing this for yall to not get in bad waters with mods here

they are clearly watching this thread lol

[austere coyote]

we are, please keep things civil 🥹

[maiden grove]

https://tenor.com/view/brown-trout-stealth-soldier-out-for-mission-gif-16593764

[lyric zealot]

Real, same with things like the walls, im not anti wall but sometimes im running 6 miles to find a gate to move 3 feet from where I started

[maiden grove]

oh a new mod I havent seen

hello

[lyric zealot]

Hai’

[austere coyote]

hi, let's try to stay on-topic and be constructive

[serene solar]

hope DE gets to read this post before taking any further steps honestly

[maiden grove]

sure

its what I said I dont mind whatever they decide

I just find it petty bc its an item that doesnt matter lol

[lyric zealot]

Ultimately no matter the decision the fact so many people are here to argue shows the importance of DE to their community

And that’s neat

[maiden grove]

yeah

I still think its a really cool ideia, bc not many companies/games make their community memes into the game

and this was a cool way to immortalize it but everyone will have their own takes on it

[serene solar]

I disagree with this though, it may not matter to you but for some people it does. Everyone plays agmes for different reasons and values things differently, and its all valid. Truth is that a lot of people care about the exclusive bling, even if its just a flower, and considering that they paid for it, they have a right to feel whatever way they feel about their flower, love it or hate it

[quaint rune]

I don't know, you haven't seen the view my garden plot has, and I'm near saralovesarchery, lots to be jealous of

[maiden grove]

the ideia of randomizing gardes was cool to fix that part of the problem

[maiden grove]

Im jealous now

[quaint rune]

Look at that view, Garden 69, overlooking the garden,https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443543335233916999

[lethal escarp]

We are making sure the basis for the concerns are being heard by the team. We will not discuss how we handle individual cases, but we are actively monitoring this discussion as it can (and has) derailed a few times.

Keep the conversation on the topic and civil, and avoid attacking individuals who may have differing opinions.

[raw pike]

thank you

we appreciate you

[maiden grove]

my issue with all of this is that, clearly the cursed ones deserve some type of compensation right?

the issue is whatever compensation they get this will always happen bc they were the "lucky" (cursed) ones

I see no resolving this

if its arcs

ppl will complain

if its an item

they are complaining rn

[regal salmon]

there should be a infested flower for everyone that got bugged/black screend on the garden instance menu, i lost my 20-28 instance slot cus of it lol

[raw pike]

same

[maiden grove]

Im trying to be as respectful as I can, ty for your work tho, I tried to calm down those 2 lol XD

[fluid cipher]

I wanna be able to spread the curse , run around with a bitas mask on giggling hysterically handing out cursed blooms. 🤣

[maiden grove]

XD

[serene solar]

but i disagree with this. Getting your pack 5 hours late means no harm to anyone. Sure, it doesnt look good for DE, but if you didnt lose anything then there is nothing to compensate for. The thing people LOST was their opportunity to get into a low instance garden. THIS IS WHAT WAS LOST. So to me the best way to compensate this is to make the garden instances rotative. I just dont see any 'loss' in getting your pack a couple of hours late. I was one of the ones in the backlog and my only issue right now is that I got into garden 30 insted of 1.

[maiden grove]

there is an issue

its like you go grocery shopping pay for everything and leave store without anything

that has a real negative impact on the public

I spent 115 dollars to not see anything

[quaint rune]

I waited up all night for Garden 69, I will be upset if that is taken from me, making it rotative would create more loss

[maiden grove]

while it is advertised as instant digital content

[serene solar]

but that was not the case, you got everything you paid for just a few hours late. You didnt actually miss out on anything other than having access to low level gardens.

[maiden grove]

but didnt get it when I should

its still "breach of contract"

not exactly that

but I think you understand

[regal salmon]

and avakotted flower for anyone that got affected my the regional pricing errors lol

[nimble thicket]

what if the ppl care abt the gardens like u care abt the flower

[serene solar]

i mean sure, you didnt get it right away but i just dont think people are having much of an issue with this if it wasnt for the fact that they didnt get a spot in a low level garden.

[maiden grove]

like now we can say it was 304 h wait whatever

but when it dropped

[serene solar]

if everyone had access and a pot in the same garden i dont think anyone would have made much of a deal about getting their items a few hours later

[maiden grove]

we knew nothing about it

ppl just waited and waited

[lyric zealot]

I think multiple of my messages came across in a more combative way than actually meant so oop

[maiden grove]

steve got all red on stream and stuff lol

[regal salmon]

lowkey im fine with the cursed flower if i also get my frozen menu flower and others get the regional pricing error flower lol

[maiden grove]

XD it happens lol

its not ez to conmvey emotion on text messages

at least for me

Ive been pretty chill the entire time btw

[lyric zealot]

Especially when it’s already a touchy subject

[maiden grove]

yeah

[quaint rune]

What sucks about all of this is that it was a pretty fun night overall even with the DDOS issues. I don't think anyone who was cursed was upset about missing items because (a) DE is trusted overall, and (b) it was a fun time in discord.

Of course, that doesn't cancel out the stress of I bought this where the heck are my items what did I do wrong is it on the wrong account did I use the right email, is something wrong with my bank.

[maiden grove]

yep

and they decided to give smth OUT OF GOOD WILL

like we had issues on our end

were sorry

take this insignificant goodie as an apology and a thx for not cancelling your order and trusting us

smth like that

I think all this fight over this

might make them a little bit scared of compensating ppl in future stuff

[lyric zealot]

Honestly, I do apologize if my messages came off ass combative or condescending, especially in the case of slippery arguments replies, I wasn’t tryna say things like nuh youre stupid or anything just that, we need more concise and concrete complaints and comments because it’s easier on DE and because non concrete statements are way easier to, mishandle or things like that and go down entirely different paths

Anyway, I will probably dip for a bit cuz late at night, but I hope everyone has a good night and hopefully a good solution is reached so as many can be happy with the results!

[maiden grove]

yeah same lol

[tender elm]

Not sure if I even need to give my two cents because this is similar to another "issue".

Cursed Founders were inconvenienced regardless of personal feelings on that fact and although they aren't entitled to compensation DE is doing so out of compassion and goodwill. Although some people may be upset by this, in my opinion turning such an act of goodwill into a bad thing is a genuine character flaw.

To that end I only think DE are responsible for the emotions and impulses of their players within reason and a constant assault of "where's mine?" is not reasonable.

[nimble thicket]

this is very well worded

[maiden grove]

Yep

That basically what I meant up there

But with good wording lol

[heady crow]

honestly I think the cursed blooms are pretty benign. there were 2649+ people who basically got locked out of playing the game for the day and missed out on a chance to place their flower in a spot that isn't in relay 100+. yeah they get a reskinned flower - it's still gonna be in relay 128 or something people aren't even gonna see it in lol

[supple turtle]

Personally, I think attacking other people's personalities every single chance you get, and repeatedly on a topic, is a character flaw. One that you should stop doing, as we've been asked to repeatedly.
We're very specifically supposed to discuss the topic, not make judgements on each other. Yet you keep doing it

[dense dune]

sorry if this has already been stated but is 2600+ the number of new players getting founders that couldnt start or founders overall including previous prelude players?

[charred iris]

@tender elm @supple turtle Both of you, please stop commenting on others, and focus on the ideas and topic. Drop it.

[tender elm]

Man, I just got here.

[supple turtle]

That's the first time I've done it at all

[regal salmon]

ey wheres my infested flower for being affected by the black screened garden bug hehe, i missed out of some the small relay numbers and earlier date as well

[cobalt anchor]

There are still people who DE charge over 100 USD so they will never get into first 10 zones, or a flower and not even a nice date on the flowers due to error

[slender briar]

Just to add my thoughts to this hotbutton subject, I think a rework of the garden where names are randomly cycled every minute or so would be kind of cool. Not a huge fan of the weird numbered instance thing and paragon founders having 4 separate planting slots (or cursed founders like myself possibly having 5). Maybe with a central plant location where you always see your own name if you are a founder.

[heady crow]

i think the cursed bloom is kind of a middle ground solution. like ideally we should get a eternium wipe now that the issues have been worked out, on a scheduled day, but the logistics of that frankly just aren't feasible we'd crash the servers lol. At the very least I think anyone that has more than 1 flower planted in a single instance should have the extra returned. like relay #1 pretty much everyone there planted all 4 flowers in a line

[maiden grove]

Its ppl backlogged so it should have both I suppose?

[ripe ingot]

Going way back to what OP originally stated. I like most of the ideas, and I'm definitely in line with the garden getting overhauled to fit everyone equally. And the nightfold ideas are cool too.

Everyone should get a slice of pizza.

🍕

[dense dune]

i just saw a lot of people acting like its mainly people who were getting the game via founders having issues and the extra day of waiting, but chances are most of the players invested enough to get a founders day one already were in preludes via streams or something else.

[ripe ingot]

I'm definitely one of them. Been in preludes since 7 and did my best to report anything game breaking to the preludes server back in those days.

Was already in the mindset of wanting to get the founders even back then because I saw the vision and want to support it.

[ripe ingot]

What does that mean 😭

[austere coyote]

please do not try to derail the conversation

[pliant rover]

Sorry🥀

[maiden field]

💯 better use compensation like premium currency than giving the troubled people exclusive set like right now the only true founder is the cursed founder

[tender elm]

As someone who isn't a 'Cursed Founder' I don't agree with that sentiment at all. The 'Cursed Founders' are - objectively speaking, a niche group of players that experienced a setback. There's nothing more definitive about them and an extra flower certainly doesn't make them more Founders than other Founders. I genuinely can't see a reason one would think this.

I also don't think that throwing the equivalent of money at the problem is nearly as thoughtful as an appropriate gift that's related to the problem caused.

[serene solar]

I wish they would clarify what qualifies for this cursed bloom too. Is any amount of time stuck in the backlog sufficient to qualify for it? or is it just people that were stuck until the 26th (if there were any, im not sure how long the backlog lasted)? I bought my founders pack as soon as it launched (I think it was like 3 or 4 pm CT) and didn't receive my items until the night around 8pm CT. I hope they clarify the parameters to qualify for it, because for me the fact that I didn't get my items right away meant that i couldn't plant my flower in a low level instance, so I had to go for instance 30, and I feel like that wasn't fair. But as I said before, im okay with not getting any more flowers at all if they would just make the garden instances randomized on a rotation.

[wispy kestrel]

My issue with this thread is... why are people complaining about a compensation that DE has said that they will give us for our troubles as Day 1 Founders who got their stuff late because of the screw up? It's between DE and us. There is no way this community is this spoiled. Unbelievable.

[scarlet cypress]

Because there shouldn't be exclusives that not everyone has a fair chance to get, simple as that really

[cursive galleon]

I believe there should, but only gameplay related

Such as the medallions in warframe from when raids existed

[hidden marlin]

you only need to look at the msg immediately before yours to see that it's not only the ppl complaining who perceive significance in planting an early flower

[scarlet cypress]

I will get it, but i dont believe that just because i was un/lucky i should get something other people will have no chance to obtain

[cursive galleon]

^

[scarlet cypress]

Not the same thing, everyone could play raids, if you didn't play the game when they existed thats not DEs fault

The point is people were here but they wont get it through no fault of their own

[cursive galleon]

No yeah, Im not comparing it to this situation, but Im not totally against exclusive stuff.

Just when it comes to things like this, its a bit iffy

[scarlet cypress]

Im not against exclusives that everyone has a fair chance to get

[ornate loom]

I agree

[scarlet cypress]

Well i am, but i can accept it at least more than "sorry you didn't win the lottery so you can never get this thing"

[cursive galleon]

Yea I probably wouldnt advocate as much for the flowers and everything else to be shareable or earn-able if not for the devs themselves saying they want to avoid exclusivity akin to Excal Prime

[ornate loom]

like 5 hours; 2469 minimum.

2469 confirmed identified cursed founders

[cursive galleon]

Otherwise I would happily accept the cool exclusive flower

[ornate loom]

As an actual cursed founder, i think the cursed bloom does make up for the massive delay

[cursive galleon]

Gotta be less than five hours, maybe 10 minutes

[ornate loom]

10 min what?

5 hour CURSES

like it took us around 5 hours to get freed

[cursive galleon]

Ohhh I thought you were replying to their comment about how early one had to purchase a pack to become cursed

[scarlet cypress]

I bought founders like 5mins after update and didn't receive anything for 3 hours before going to bed and then had it next day when logged in

Its for people that bought it early but didnt get it

[ornate loom]

^

I bought founders minute 1 of release

[scarlet cypress]

But its not right that that situation leads to everyone else being permanently locked out of somthing imo

[cursive galleon]

Founders pack dropped at around 2:41 CST right?

[ornate loom]

The cursed flowers are good will and trust between DE and the dedicated consumers.

People who waited and spawn camped the founder release.

People who were snaked because of their dedication

[wispy kestrel]

You literally get no unlocks for this flower. It's just a flower with our name and date when we got the pack.

[ornate loom]

These cursed flowers are a testament to DE's ability to maintain good will with the most loyal customers

[ornate loom]

^

[hidden marlin]

just look at the variety of reasons ppl are buying founders: exclusives, to get in early so not to miss stuff, for the status, etc. You might personally not care about some of those reasons, but some ppl do. Then they buy founders and still find they've missed something for some reason out of their control (which is precisely the same thing ppl arguing for an exclusive apology are saying, ironically)

even if u think it's a trivial issue and ppl are being silly, I think it's a little hypocritical to pretend not to understand where they're coming from

[wispy kestrel]

You guys really making up stuff to deny our compensation. That's so messed up.

[ornate loom]

Real

[hidden marlin]

I think most of those ppl would be happy with non-exclusive compensation (though this might make other groups complain about gameplay relevant compensation :P)

[daring elk]

+1

[hidden marlin]

I think the whole thing is molehill -> mountain, personally 😄

[ornate loom]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[scarlet cypress]

I understand that, and honestly i think on their side they can't win

[ornate loom]

imagine hating on people who supported the devs from the getgo, and got screwed over
not just because of garden spots but because of lost time out of their day
waiting for some help
people made time in their day for the opportunity to jump in asap but were denied at the pearly gates

[ornate loom]

the flower is literally the best option

[cursive galleon]

The flower is already promised so atp I say maybe give every player the flower but only the cursed folk get to plant it in their garden, while everyone else can place it in the nightfold somewhere or just the regular instances? Doubt if there is a solution for all

[ornate loom]

if it was an exclusive envoy/weapon cosmetic or weapon or other then it would still make people go insane if not more so

[scarlet cypress]

Personally i bought paragon the moment the update droppes, logged in and went to garden 1, there were many spots, realised i couldn't plant anything cause my pack didn't arrive and watched for 30mins as the garden filled up

[hidden marlin]

so youre saying other ppl do not support the devs from the get go, simply because they weren't around for the very first hours? (maybe they were at work, travelling, whatever) ? See, you're implying a special status, and that it matters. So how can you then turn around and claim you dont' understand where other ppl who want a special status are coming from?

[ornate loom]

that sounds agonizing

[hidden marlin]

You can't have it both ways

[scarlet cypress]

The flower is an attempt to show that you was there early by showing your time, i get that

[ornate loom]

the people who sacrificed an arm and a limb to be early shouldn't exactly be discarded lol

[austere coyote]

just a reminder to try not to make things personal here, everyone

[scarlet cypress]

But honestly the moment is gone, in 5 years noone will go to garden 45 and see i was there minute 1 of lauch, they will go to garden 1 maybe 2 and see the names there

[hidden marlin]

The people on both sides of this argument are two groups who care about special status. That's why we have our popcorn out.

I think it adds flavour to SF's history, lol. DE should do this more and plan for more special flowers/gardens 😄

[scarlet cypress]

The flower just makes a bigger rift between players imo

[ornate loom]

the flower is at least there for us, a medal of honor, a purple heart

solidarity among our fallen brethren (and sister...en?)

[ornate loom]

would be pretty cool to have more areas

maybe an apple farm

[tight halo]

this founders has brought up so much entitlement it hurts so much

[cursive galleon]

Sameee lmao I was watching the stream confused how to plant, thought I was facing cognitive decline

[cursive galleon]

True that

[scarlet cypress]

I just personally disagree with exclusives that not everyone has equal opportunity to get, I've voiced this opinon in relation to the Preludes Honor many times over the past months and it would be hypocritical of me to stand with this flower now just becuse im on the winning side of this one

[tight halo]

winning side?

[hidden marlin]

it's all relative

[tight halo]

i dont think anyone has won this whole update has blown up the game in such a bad way

[ornate loom]

All I'm saying is that in a few years people are going to whine about founders name plates as well

[cursive galleon]

Winning side meaning they are a cursed founder

[cursive galleon]

True, but I feel as if this and the preludes honor are different

[ornate loom]

people should be rewarded for dedication, that's how you build loyalty among the customer base

[cursive galleon]

I agree

[tight halo]

agreed

[cursive galleon]

but neither the honor nor the flower are dedication based rewards

[ornate loom]

incorrect

People stayed up all night to get founders and jump into the game
people took time off of work to get founders

people made sacrifices

this is DE's way of saying "We hear you, and we see you"

[cursive galleon]

Okay and that would be fine it it was known that this reward would be for a lucky few, but it wasnt

[scarlet cypress]

The thing is about the founders nameplate and such is, its avaliable to everyone, if someone misses it its not becuase they never had the chance, its not really the same thing

[ornate loom]

The cursed flower is special because of what it stands for.
Think about it, no one cares about regular sparrow- because it stands for nothing

[tight halo]

i worked and timezones so i didnt get a awesome plot so it happend

[ornate loom]

everyone could get the curse by being rabid fans

[obtuse geyser]

it's just a cosmetic, imo. Not being able to have every cosmetic unlocked isn't a dealbreaker, the cursed flowers are pretty cool and I think it's pretty amusing.

[ornate loom]

my friend got his package at work, couldn't even play after his shift ended till it was 11 for him

[ornate loom]

agreed

[cursive galleon]

Not everyone can take time off work, not everyone can look away from their child, not everyone has the same circumstances. The flower reward unfortunately is a luck based exclusive if handled without careful consideration

[tight halo]

i wish they didnt have the garden

[ornate loom]

DE hears and feels the people that understand little timmy's lunch can wait

[supple turtle]

that actually isn't true. There were other issues happening at the same time, such as it not being available in regions it was supposed to be as well as zip-code related problems. none of the people with those problems got compensation. and it DID prevent them from being in the "cursed" window

[maiden field]

Yes Cursed Founder is the True Founder, the one who get the normal founder is the Fake Founder so take it and leave it because DE want it that way

[brisk rover]

I was about to buy the founders pack, saw what they did with the cursed flower and gardens, and honestly I'm very much rethinking if I still want to get it. Apologies if I've missed things in this massive thread, but two massive fumbles already is not making me feel confident in spending my money.

[cursive galleon]

^ This, will certain players in the UK, for example, be compensated for their troubles?

[ornate loom]

from a gameplay standpoint it's really nice

[tight halo]

yeah i sort of regret it looking that discord the last few days

can we all just chill out

[strange beacon]

I mean, I had an xsolla payment error, but I still read that I needed to contact xsolla to fix it, and got the pack I wanted within two hours of founders packs releasing. Some people don’t read, and would just try again later to be met with the same error. Where’s my compensation? 🤣 (I don’t actually care, but I saw someone have the exact issue I had but didn’t read the error message that told them what they had to do to resolve it.)

Is being held back from purchasing by the payment processor not eligible for compensation? Where do they draw the line with who deserves it and who doesn’t?

[raw pike]

i was just mildly annoyed i couldn't plant my flowers when i got them due to bugs, this has gotten super out of hand

[brisk rover]

Part of what worries me is that, generalizing the situation, there isn't a place to draw that line. With this approach, if something similar happens in the future, someone is getting left out no matter what.

[strange beacon]

Very true.

[obtuse geyser]

Really seriously do not understand the like obsession over these cursed flowers, tbh. It's an oddity and you had to be there I guess.

[raw pike]

this issue has eclipsed many other extremely important issues the game is having right now, and it's kinda unfortunate

[brisk rover]

At least for me it's the extreme exclusivity in a way that really just came down to luck.

[wispy kestrel]

Except this compensation has nothing to do with people that weren't affected by the backlog incident. Are you saying that everyone is entitled to our suffering? Where is the logic in that? There is no way people are this angry that DE wants do right by us?

[cursive galleon]

I don’t think it has, tbh. The devs surely have seen the preludes honor discourse as well, afaik they have yet to make a statement. So they see everything, and will respond to most issues given enough time

[brisk rover]

I think I'm gonna wait a few days and see if DE responds to this in a good way. In the past sometimes they've gone back and fixed mistakes they've made, and if they can do that instead of doubling down I might still consider getting the pack.

[scarlet cypress]

You can't plan for the unknown 🤣

[raw pike]

i was more talking about the daily faction xp cap changes, the xp gain changes to the endless room, and other gameplay things

[brisk rover]

Not sure how waiting a couple hours is suffering, other than if you meant not getting a low number garden spot which is one of the big issues here in the first place.

[raw pike]

not to say both this and that issue aren't important

but i think those are too

[ornate loom]

I think preludes honor was reasonable compensation for those who got everything wiped

[true kestrel]

I managed to get a flower in gardens 1, 2 and 3. Bit of fun but I wouldn't have an issue with them making names random when you load in or any other solution that makes all players equal.

That is my point with all of these exclusive items. There shouldn't be items which anyone was locked out of or never had a chance to get. All players should have an equal chance of things.

[wispy kestrel]

Yeah but clearly DE acknowledged that it is a worthy enough cause of suffering since they are giving those flowers.

[tender elm]

This is so funny. It's literally the exact argument I made repeatedly

[maiden field]

If you guys want to get The True Founder you can try to pay for Fake Founder and hope to get payment problem so DE will give you the True Founder pack

[brisk rover]

This right here is the problem. Encouraging this kind of elementary schooler mentality is what can destroy a game. I'm hoping this is a joke, if this was serious I'm concerned.

[cursive galleon]

I think both the honors and cursed flowers are reasonable compensation and honestly I would personally not mind them staying exclusive, however its more-so that I cannot reasonably deny how unfair it must seem to everyone else. At the end of the day I’m fine with whatever stance DE takes on the matter, but its worth throwing out alternative solutions.

[maiden field]

Even if this feedback become a Blood Bath battlefield DE will not hear it because they already state it

[ornate loom]

Idea:

TRUE Fae thousand dollar package with special garden 🗿

[tight halo]

garden 0

[cursive galleon]

Eh it was earlier, rn it is fairly tame

[ornate loom]

Heavenly garden

[tight halo]

only 100 can be bought

[maiden field]

Yes before even mod come and DE choose to give the true founder pack item preview lol

[cursive galleon]

See thats what I thought the compensation was gonna be, garden 0 and flowers dates being set to Nov 25th

[ornate loom]

after first 100, price doubles, repeat in perpetuity

[ornate loom]

too many actually cursed for that

[tight halo]

till every worker at de can sleep on a bed of money

[cursive galleon]

Yeah 2500, figured garden 0 could cycle names, and then other instances 1+ would cycle

Something like that idk

[ornate loom]

i'd honestly like that ngl

[tight halo]

agreed

[grizzled bloom]

A game that is heavily based on collection is where gamers with a "Completionist" mentality are more likelty invests their time on. But having players locked off from obtaining such items/cosmetics where they were present from the beginning is not a good Start for this game. I would have accepted it "If" I came into the game after I have missed the timeframe for obtaining these exclusive items, but this is not the case here. As a player that registered from the beginning and even bought the founders day 1, but still locked from not 1, but 2 Items is simply not acceptable.

[ornate loom]

Cogah garden, massive monument with all our names on it like war casualties

plus type of curse

I feel like people would genuinely shart their pants if that actually happened

[brisk rover]

Now that I've said my piece I'm gonna leave this thread, I was hoping this game would be less pretentious with founders but there's some people in here that really do think they're the most special little boy in the world lol.

If DE happens upon this comment, keep the game fair and the community healthy. These kinds of precedents make a couple people happy and the vast majority of people feel bitter forever. Don't encourage terrible exclusivity and gatekeeping as an important note of how the game was founded.

[raw pike]

dark pendant is exclusive

?

[grizzled bloom]

Preludes Honor

[tight halo]

the honour one i think

[raw pike]

oh i think i misread

sorry

[ornate loom]

preludes honor is 1000% justified they had all their stuff reset

[tender elm]

The problem with the "it's unfair" stance is that the situation that caused the compensation to be given out is also unfair. The compensation is supposed to balance the scales. Right a wrong.

The fact that the awards in question are compensation is consistently overlooked. The fact that they have something you do not makes their experience vanish. Or it was never an inconvenience to begin with by their ruling.

Despite all the attempts at justification it all boils down to the following. "My want for things outweighs your inconvenience".

[tight halo]

and yeah stop talking about the honour it was locked already

[tender elm]

I'm just glad DE don't agree with that sentiment.

[ornate loom]

Si

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on what justified is. If you never got in the game despite registering for it day 1, how is it justified? You just got LUCKY

[wispy kestrel]

Don't talk too badly of yourself 😉

[cursive galleon]

Afaik honors was never even confirmed to be exclusive

[true kestrel]

I don't believe anyone has an issue with players being compensated. We have an issue that compensation then puts them over and above what everyone else has access to, rather than making it equal.

[tender elm]

No, it wasn't but based on my extensive research it's incredibly likely that it is.

[tender elm]

I didn't say that people had a problem with players being compensated. I said that the fact that these items that now exist officially in some form or another are compensation is consistently overlooked in favour of personal gain.

Guys, I don't want to harp on it because the conversation is identical

[true kestrel]

No one is overlooking why they are given. We just don't agree with it.

[cursive galleon]

Yeah I mean tbf if I didn’t see how strongly people are reacting to the flower and the mote that has been around for like… almost a year? I wouldn’t engage in these conversations regarding exclusivity, but the fact that so many people feel slighted is not healthy for the game nor the community.

[ornate loom]

Dude I payed for founders minute 1 of release I camped that page/stream

I was among the most heavily cursed because of said camping.

If it was luck it would be random. The people who rushed in early got trapped.

[shadow smelt]

the prelude honour is a statistical clone of the Circade talisman, and the flower is a flower. You're getting twisted over something that doesn't affect the actual gameplay in any way.

[ornate loom]

Agreed

[grizzled bloom]

Thats not the issue, It should not be in the Compendium.

[tender elm]

This is my opinion too but I'm hated for saying it. I just don't think this... reaction to goodwill is healthy.

[maiden field]

Yes just leave The True Founder and True Prelude holder enjoy their hard lucky earned account, because you still can enjoy the Fake Founder pack and Fake exclusive Prelude item when prelude end

[obtuse geyser]

what else should they have been compensated with? nothing? i'm not even a "cursed founder" or whatever and I think this whole thing is kind of reductive. It's just a flower.

[cursive galleon]

Yeaaa like if everybody didn’t feel so strongly about this I would still be in the “its just a flower” crowd.

[ornate loom]

DE knows what they're doing. And for that they have my thanks.

-# inb4 I whale thousands ....

[true kestrel]

Arcs, weapon/pact slots, rare mats. Anything that would be helpful for them but that others have some way of getting.

But really the issue was compounded by the numbered gardens. A delay to playing with the new items wouldn't have been the end of the world. Some people are upset they didn't get chance to plant early on. So a rethink of garden layout would probably be fairest. And I say that as someone with a flower in instance 1.

[ornate loom]

I didn't even get to join the game for 5 hours

[timber robin]

anyone know if its normal for your flower to Not appear in the instance where you planted it in? i planted a Bloom in the 22nd instance but now its just gone and replaced with someone elses

[cursive galleon]

Think its just bugged

Eternium has had several bugs

[maiden field]

Its not

[grizzled bloom]

I placed the flower today in Instance 200. Where is my premium compensation? 🥴

[ornate loom]

🤣

[hidden marlin]

I think they move around? maybe check other plots in the same instance?

[timber robin]

how do i find where mine is then?

[obtuse geyser]

I haven't even planted my founder flower yet, idk if i'll even remember to tbh lol

[grizzled bloom]

I mean, I bought the founders day 1 too no?

[maiden field]

Better screenshot make sure give proof to DE maybe you can get Cursed Founder Plant for compensation if its true

[true kestrel]

Again personally I don't think that's the end of the world. Fair enough if you do. A lot of games have delays to people playing on release if servers are full etc. I don't think that in itself warrants compensation but wouldn't be annoyed if they gave it. As long as it's not exclusive.

[timber robin]

i have a screen shot of where it was before. would that be good enough?

[hidden marlin]

not sure, I just know some ppl said theirs moved to another spot when they re-entered the garden

[maiden field]

Yes usualy and the after mat when its gone

Maybe they will compensate for it when looking they give true founder pack who have trouble lol

[obtuse geyser]

this "true founder" vs fake founder thing you're on is kind of silly.

[cursive galleon]

Yeah

[plain shale]

I feel like the argument has become muddled because I feel like the thing that makes it feel unfair is not that it’s because people get compensated for their inconvenience but rather they get compensated with a special item and a special location for their troubles? and the special location is only because the normal location has become too full with people taking up more plots

the whole flower field thing seems a bit flawed by premise, most other games I know would be like “sorry you had trouble with payment issues! have some extra premium currency” but this feels more like “sorry you had payment issues! have a special glyph/icon and also a special forum”

but idk, i was considering getting a founder pack but am holding off since this situation is making it feel a bit…
I just hope DE will address the issue soon

[raw pike]

it feels... icky

[grizzled bloom]

+1

[obtuse geyser]

I hope DE addresses this by... not doing anything, really. Just a flower, c'mon.

[grizzled bloom]

They can give them 1000 premium currency, and I wont care a bit

[ornate loom]

you did not suffer the skin peeling of November 25th

[obtuse geyser]

lol

[ornate loom]

Agreed, fair cousin

[cursive galleon]

You wont care, but plenty others will. So thats not a great solution

[tender elm]

At the end of the day it's as Helix said yesterday. When we signed up we agreed to DE's terms including that any compensation is completely at their discretion. For that reason expectations and demands are inherently flawed. This goes both ways so of course leave your feedback but I will never be displeased that DE's intent is to maintain goodwill and prioritise the players treated the least fairly.

[plain shale]

I think even just addressing it by saying something about what’s happening, or coming to talk to the people who feel it’s unfair could help? even if like in this thread, yknow?

[grizzled bloom]

Something thats earnable and something that is locked is vastly different. If player trading were to work similar to warframe, premium currency can be earned

[ornate loom]

Yes

[true kestrel]

I would really like to know their take on it. Even if it's that they are happy giving out exclusives and we need to get over it. Then I know it's not the type of game for me and I can cut my losses

[tender elm]

That is something I agree with. I can make educated guesses based on their behaviour regarding it but it's impossible to know without an official statement.

[ornate loom]

It is what it is. #CursedGang

[maiden field]

They will stay silent for it but at least they will have 2600plus True exclusive Founder who will play so its good

[cursive galleon]

There is no such thing as a true exclusive founder.

[grizzled bloom]

Ah man, I am gonna have the laugh of a lifetime when I get lucky enough to get some premium cosmetics as compensation while others here dont get it. Gonna be so fun coming back to this forum.

[tender elm]

Yeah just ignore that guy. They're just ragebaiting.

[ornate loom]

I support Prelude honors

[grizzled bloom]

Like I said, game only started. Lets see how long your support goes

[ornate loom]

i mean i still play warframe and it's basically been a decade so....

[cursive galleon]

Ssj, it is worth noting that… none of these changes are in the game yet

[maiden field]

Wow I just want to say the Cursed Founder who get the pack who cannot be bought by other means other than have tragedy or buying from the few choosen one account is a True Founder Pack so thats what I meant lol and people already hating that statement lol

[cursive galleon]

DE will respond in time. No need to feel so vindictive

[tender elm]

Wanting exclusivity out of spite is a new one but I also support exclusivity within reason. No gameplay altering effects but that's already a limit they've established.

[ornate loom]

^

[austere coyote]

you're allowed to have your opinion, but please don't make jokes about buying accounts or things like that

everyone else, please remain respectful

[ornate loom]

❤️

[grizzled bloom]

Yo, do mods never rest? seems like they read every word xD

[tender elm]

It's unfortunate that the topic is that spicy.

[maiden field]

Noted lol

[lucid viper]

I was a little unsure when I read the announcement earlier but if you were effected by the backlogs regardless of what founders package you purchased, you get the cursed marifold flower correct?

[cursive galleon]

Correct

[grizzled bloom]

Fun fact, I dont even know whether I was affected or not as I bought the pack while I was in work. lol

[ornate loom]

correct

[ornate loom]

if you are affected you will get compensated as they had to manually fix every account

[lucid viper]

Alright, so I wasn't effected by the backlogs when I purchased my paragon founders. I don't have any issue with there being compensation for the people effected as there should be for them. I personally believe that a lot of the backlash was due to the garden "speed race" and if that hadn't been a major factor, I think the community wouldn't have been as frustrated with the launch issues as sometimes those things happen. So in this case, I think people were justified to be as upset as they were due to how they handled the garden.
However, it has been a little off putting to see that an exclusive cosmetic was chosen to be solution to all this. I haven't been able to read this entire thread so I am unsure what the majority opinion is on this. Personally for me, seeing a repainted paragon flower as the compensation has left a sour taste. I like when there is exclusivity like events and hard challenges in games. It gives me a sense of achievement when I get to look at those items or cosmetics later on. But the backlog situation was out of the players control entirely. I think a compensation bundle of arcs and/or other items like OP suggested would have been a great and better choice instead. I like exclusivity when the players have a fair chance at it, not something that was an unfortunate circumstance. I am just very worried that this choice has divided the community and will leave a black spot on the legacy of this game.

[novel pumice]

In my humble opinion, I think the best idea is the one @fluid cipher came up with. Give the cursed founders a flower to make up for the hours wasted without being able to plant in lower level gardens, but make that flower shareable with the rest of the founders. It could work like the paragon greatsword, where it would keep the name of the cursed founder or better yet, make it so that the cursed founders can give petals. Those petals could work as a medallion or some sort of ephemera like in warframe. This way both founders and cursed founders will have something unique.

[hidden marlin]

in 10 years time we'll look back on it as character building 😛

the cursed flower garden wars will become part of SF's founding mythology

[novel pumice]

real

[lucid viper]

Imagine them making it an easter egg in game

[spring wolf]

"Where were you during the great garden war of 2025?"
........."Playing the game or asleep"

[hidden marlin]

you can always say it @spring wolf u 😛

[spring wolf]

I don't even have anything to fight about xD i've already accepted i won't get everything cause i don't have the honours talisman, idk why people are so mad, WF is filled with these things like the cosmetics from raids and such, gone forever

[ornate loom]

Real

ultimately most new players by then will likely not care

[ornate loom]

2469 haunted trees in a dark forest

[ornate loom]

Agreed

Also people forget about stuff with time

You know what people genuinely forgot about?

Warframe preludes honor

[grizzled bloom]

Oh I was there when it happened, but I was a new player back then, so didnt get it lol

[ornate loom]

except actual game changing

[cursive galleon]

I think the issue people have with the cursed flower and honors is the fact that not everyone had a chance at the exclusive. Some people applied for preludes day 1 and didnt get in until the NDA was lifted, some people paid for founders day 1 and within the first hour and won’t get the flower. Like others have said making both items shareable like the paragon is likely the best solution

Btw arcane helmets are shareable

[hidden marlin]

if ppl forget, we'll make sure they remember by re-telling the tale of when we once were young Envoys 😛

[cursive galleon]

Tradeable, rather.

[ornate loom]

pretty sure most people cursed were cursed because they got it within the first few minutes of release

camping on blackfriday type stuff

[grizzled bloom]

We should be named "Blessed Founder" in that case

[cursive galleon]

I’m aware, but regardless that is why people are so strongly opposed to these exclusives in particular

I think most people dont mind exclusives as long as it isn’t p2w fomo (or this type of situation)

[ornate loom]

Dark fantasy Fae fits better

Holy founder should be people who maybe spend 10k on the game

[spring wolf]

What about the evolving emblems? Those aren't shareable, trials/raids are retired and can't get them anymore

[ornate loom]

in warframe?

[spring wolf]

Ye

[ornate loom]

man raids were so fun

I miss cody..

[grizzled bloom]

I stopped playing warframe for like 5 yeears now, dont even remember much. Played from 2014 to 2019

[ornate loom]

miss old clan...

[cursive galleon]

Everyone had the chance to get them though

[ornate loom]

I miss the old excal prime guys who helped me up along the way
the people who gifted me the entire stalker collection for free

[cursive galleon]

If they didnt play raids, thats more-so on them

[grizzled bloom]

+1. If you had the chance and did not play, then its on YOU

[spring wolf]

I'm not here to argue, i'm just saying it's the exact same thing xD either by luck, start date, wealth, there were tons of them in WF

[ornate loom]

~~if they fed their kid instead of making little timmy go on a diet it's on them ~~

[grizzled bloom]

But, here, you didnt even get a chance

[ornate loom]

yeah

Arcane helms were literally preludes honor but actually game changing

[cursive galleon]

Arcane helms are tradable, or at least the bp is? Idk anymore

[ornate loom]

nope

[cursive galleon]

Cannot sell for credits right? I’ve seen them posted on WF Market, could be wrong ig

[ornate loom]

anyways, warframe is just fine

so soulframe will be too 🥂

[ornate loom]

the stuff rn is aesthetic
the actual original helmets gave you buffs (and still do)

[spring wolf]

The original arcane helmets with stats are untradeable

[novel pumice]

I think you're missing the point, the cursed flower makes up for the time they weren't able to plant any flowers. The rest of the founders had their chance to plant something in lower level gardens. A cursed founder will never have his cursed flower in the first 10 or even 100 gardens

[cursive galleon]

Gotchaaa

[ornate loom]

This

[lucid viper]

If you could get an exclusive but those not too, that definitely on you as the player. But that isn't the case with the Cursed Marifold and Prelude Honour. If I am being honest, I was always confused why they gave out that talisman. I was expecting WAY more resets because it is a pre-Alpha. I never saw any need to compensate for that. Cool that it was given out, but I would have rathered have a triple XP elixir or something for the grind 🤣

[manic rose]

i think the cursed flower is a nice gesture on DE's part and i couldnt care less that i didnt get one. im glad the people who got it did get it though.

[ornate loom]

Imagine building up a character only to have it ripped away

DE respects your time commitment

[lucid viper]

I didn't have to imagine. I didn't mind the compensation, however I don't think it was needed for resets when that is normal and expected in pre-alpha games.

[ornate loom]

Love you ❤️

[cursive galleon]

I have preludes honors and am “cursed”, was also quite sad that I couldn’t plant when I was quite literally standing in instance 1. I absolutely understand the why, if it were up to me I would keep both exclusive but

[ornate loom]

like being a ghost and seeing your loved ones become friends with your enemy or something

[serene solar]

yeah this is my issue too. I bought my pack as soon as it came out, wanted to plant on instance 1 but my items werent delivered so I couldnt. By the time I got them gardens was at instance 26 and the day displayed on the flower was no longer 25th but 26th because of game clock.

[ornate loom]

i couldn't even get in game 😭
I had to schedule the day so I could be among the first but it was swiped from my very fingers

[serene solar]

while I appreciate the cursed flower, it doesnt fix the fact that I bought the pack as soon as it released and didnt get the chance to plant in the lowe level instances. I really hope they find a way to rotate them so everyone has an equal opportunity to have their names displayed on the low level gardens

[cursive galleon]

It just that I dont think its conducive to the growth of a health community to have sooo many people up in arms about this, not to mention those who buy founders months from now, there has to be some kind of middle ground the majority can be happy with

[ornate loom]

to give the seeds and then just move on and never mention it again

[serene solar]

If the garden instances would rotate and everyone had an equal opportunity to be displayed in low level instances on a timed rotation then I think that would be fair to everyone and pretty much fix the main concerns people have about the whole flower thing

[cursive galleon]

Agree my idea was rotating flowers, with those who planted first having priority or a weighted chance of appearing in the lower number garden instances.

And the cursed founders, being the first to purchase, get their flowers weighted as having been the first-most to have planted

[serene solar]

i would be all in for that

[cursive galleon]

I get wanting to be compensated, I want that for everyone and it seems like DE does as well, but if a large majority feel slighted by a decision… changes should be made imo

[ornate loom]

most people have no idea and don't care

[cursive galleon]

For now

but decisions such as these must be future proofed in a way

[ornate loom]

likely forever

[dense dune]

I mean most people in the discord know considering it was a global ping about it.

[cursive galleon]

Yeah.

[icy bough]

I an in agreement that DE should take down the gardens and rework it, the gardens and founders was supposed to bring the community together and now we’re all fighting on who gets to be first and most special.

[lucid viper]

Slight hot take but I would rather see DE give everyone back their seeds and completely rework the garden. Seeing them try to repair an already mostly sunk ship has been rough. I like the idea of the rotating flowers so "where" you placed it didn't matter and limiting players to one flower in the garden, the rest displayed in their nightfold.

[cursive galleon]

Yeah the current concept of the eternium itself is kinda what I see most players unhappy about

[icy bough]

I would still love to be compensated in some way because by the time I DID get my stuff the instances were also bugged, but there has to be a way to do it without creating so much friction

[ornate loom]

make for flower grow more important the more money you spend

[cursive galleon]

This is basically my stance

[icy bough]

This is honestly the best solution

[ornate loom]

bigger, stronger, larger, more robust and glowie

at a thousand dollars it just becomes a tree

[dense dune]

What's the argument against cursed players just getting arcs like any other game would do for server issues?

[ornate loom]

garden spots lost

[serene solar]

this is also a great idea. I do think the garden in its current state doesnt work, and creates a competitive environment where people are fighting to get specific spots and instances. Everyone who bought founders should have their name displayed equally

[ornate loom]

etc

[hidden marlin]

problem is that will confuse everyone who hasn't been following the kerfuffle 😄

[vapid python]

It gives an advantage ingame wise and arcs are a monetary value that some countries have laws against

[ornate loom]

The garden should actually be based on how much money you spent on the game

[lapis parrot]

They wanna feel special bro, you don't understand, most of them display it in brackets like it's something crazy unique instead of a delay from backlogging 💀

[icy bough]

I just did it because i thought it was funny, i dont care abt being special

[serene solar]

i mean, paragon is the highest founders pack, so I wouldnt be opposed to paragon founders getting more exposure

[vapid python]

This, we think it's funny

[icy bough]

Yeah I saw ppl doing it with paragon founders and thought it would be funny lol

[ornate loom]

the flesh rending of November 25th was a day to behold, we had to beg the devs on our hands and knees for game access

[ornate loom]

we need a founders pack that is 1k dollars

[dense dune]

Do those countries just not allow buying arcs then? I'd assume the game would just be region locked in those areas rather than removing arcs.@vapid python

[serene solar]

sure and then give those a privileged spot, i dont mind

[hidden marlin]

whatever metric you use to create a "special" class of ppl, some other group of ppl will dislike it.

[dense dune]

We need a 40k boat to sail the soul sea

[vapid python]

No, compensation in monetary value just gives a whole lot of problems, and an ingame advantage that more people would have up in arms against

[ornate loom]

nations have dumb laws so technically DE might be held liable if they did do arcs as well

[grizzled bloom]

Ingame advantage in a pve game? that too, where everything is farmable?

[lapis parrot]

The biggest problem, well besides what their criteria for giving exclusive items, is that DE keeps taking a stance against exclusivity while they keep coming up with exclusive stuff. The heirloom, the prelude honour, now the flower (I actually don't care about the flower btw it's kinda funny the thread has 1.6k msgs, it's not like it put anyone at the top of the credits screen that is the garden)

[vapid python]

Arcs are premium currency and at the moment not farmable....

[ornate loom]

some people just want it all

[hidden marlin]

different ppl will complain about different things. for some ppl it's status, for others it's that exclusive item there's no other way of getting, for others it'll be gameplay advantage

[grizzled bloom]

Should be when trading is here, unless they want to make it different than warframe or something.

[icy bough]

To add we also have very limited weapon and pact slots as well

[ornate loom]

I think the cursed flower is the most reasonable way to fix the issue quickly, maintain trust with the most dedicated customers, and just overall move on from the issue easy peasy

[grizzled bloom]

Welp. I get a 50% discount on anything thats in the store due to regional pricing. Got my paragon for 50$ 🥱

[serene solar]

agreed. Big reason why I dont think creating another exclusive flower is the correct way to compensate those who were wronged. It feels like creating a new problem to try and fix a problem. When in reality people are frustrated that they didnt get their things in time because they missed good garden spots. So by having the flowers and garden instances rotate on a timed basis they would fix that issue and not need any extra exclusive flowers

[ornate loom]

reworking the garden system might genuinely take away drastic levels of time from stuff that actually needs to be devved so it's better to just give out a cursed flower and be done with it

[lapis parrot]

If I have an important and expensive delivery irl for something and it's late, it's a monetary dispute, they don't give you a 1 of 1 mug special for you. You can buy arcs outside of founders from the camel. I don't understand the argument of not just giving them 25 dollars worth of arcs instead for the trouble. It's not like the arcs are limited per say, and only come from founder. You can buy an infinite amount of arcs from the camel if you so wish and have the money

[grizzled bloom]

Nah bro, its simple. Exclusive stuff > Puny Arcs

[lapis parrot]

Again, I don't care about the flower, it's an extra spot in a credits scene (gardens) but it's the fact that they keep taking a stance against exclusivity while they keep giving out exclusive things

Is kinda embarrassing

[icy bough]

This is the biggest issue 100%

[grizzled bloom]

True 100%

[cursive galleon]

I wouldnt say embarrassing but it is a bit puzzling

[icy bough]

I dont want the standard to bugs and incidents to be throwing and exclusive cosmetic at us and not fixing the core of the issue

[lucid viper]

It has been confusing. I feel like I am not really sure what to believe now.

[dense dune]

I'm curious if console players are going to have separate gardens on the topic of first instances.

[serene solar]

they can clearly rotate the gardens and change their names and, even change which gardens get displayed first. For example we used to have gardens up to 32 and then it restarted at 1, and now they changed that and it goes to 200 and some. So I do think they can actually rotate the gardens on a timed basis and solve all the issues here

[grizzled bloom]

Thats what I said above. If its normal here, then people should not complain when some of us get lucky and get exculsive stuff as compensation in the future.

[lapis parrot]

I got my materials reset in game multiple times back to 0 and I didn't even bug out and was in the land of abundance. I once had 17 sappheline and it got reset to 0 for example 💀 should I get something for this? No. It's an alpha, I expect stuff to get reset

[icy bough]

I get your point but losing 17 sappehline is a bit different from dropping $100 on something and not getting it as promised

[serene solar]

its what i have been trying to say from the beginning and some people still dont get it. The issue isnt the flower per se, but the fact that people wanted the 'prime real estate' of displaying their flowers in garden number 1. And they couldnt because of the backlog.

[lapis parrot]

I agree but I think the compensation should come monetary, either in a partial reimbursement or more arcs

[serene solar]

so only way to fix it that i see is having the gardens rotate on a timed basis so everyone gets to be displayed as 'garden 1' at some point

[dense dune]

A max 1 day delay isn't really worth an exclusive item either @icy bough

[royal frigate]

I mean depends how you look at it. Id rather get the exclusive item than the garden number 1

[icy bough]

I fully agree.

[grizzled bloom]

1 day? I heard it was for 5 hours lol

[lapis parrot]

And trust me de could've done a partial reimbursement. They are not a poor company

[icy bough]

I wasnt saying they were wrong, just that it wasnt the best comparison.

[royal frigate]

people are acting like that 5 hour wait entitles them to excalibur prime

[dense dune]

Some of the cursed founders were saying they couldn't play for a whole day, idk how bad it actually was.

[serene solar]

well yeah, i bet many people now want the exlusive new flower, but that is making the issue worse, as you will have some founders that wont get it and will feel wronged by it. You are fixin an issue by creating a new issue

[royal frigate]

exactly. and it doesnt fix either. youre upset cause you cant use the garden im upset cause i miss on the exclusive its a lose-lose

[serene solar]

not if they rotate the garden instances on a timed basis as everyone will be treated equally and have an equal time being displayed at the top of the garden list

[lapis parrot]

I'll give an example of another game, I will not make any advertisement obviously. They have made a mistake in the monetisation involving a skin, which basically only affected spenders. But everyone got compensated by that quite meaningfully as a community, spender or not, and no one was upset due to how they worded it.

[royal frigate]

that could be a fix to the gardens sure but that still leaves 99% of the players without an exclusive lol

[lucid viper]

I said something similiar above. I don't see why things that in my opinion are normal to expect and experience in a pre-alpha such as bugs or resets are reasons for exclusives. I don't want to see DE giving out exclusive cosmetics or items in a game that a lot of people play for the collecting aspect of it to become the norm for Soulframe.

[grizzled bloom]

Usually, thats how Most live service games work. Any issues/bugs, everyone gets equally compensated regardless they are paid of free in most cases.

[icy bough]

Compensation: all founders get preludes honor /j

[serene solar]

but everyone got their items. You dont need to create a new exclusive flower that will piss off some founders. Just adress the real issue which is that people want to be displayed at the top of the garden list. The exclusive new flower is unnecessary and I dont think is needed as it creates more problems than it solves. nd this is coming from me, which I was affected by it and as it currently stand will likely get the exclusive cursed flower

[royal frigate]

Exactly the collection aspect plays a huge role in these games

[maiden field]

Lol hope warframe will have most player be kind to someone who have excal prime but still newbie and trying to ask for help in one of the forum

[royal frigate]

it creates hate, jealosy and division

[dense dune]

Kinda funny this is all happening around Black Friday, the origin of fomo

[lapis parrot]

I think that should still be on the table, even non founders lol. The updates are still called....preludes... it's kinda silly

[ornate loom]

anyways, love the cursed flower
restores faith in DE and keeps me whaling

🐳

[icy bough]

I actually fully agree w that

[serene solar]

how does having the gardens rotate and everyone having and equal time displayed at the top of the garrden list creating hate, jealousy and division? i

[grizzled bloom]

Divide and conquer

[ornate loom]

no lol

[royal frigate]

no no sorry i think i worded it wrong. i meant the exclusive flower creates the problems. your idea with rotating gardens is great

[serene solar]

ok cool, agreed!

[maiden field]

Agree

[ornate loom]

ultimately i think they're likely going to focus on actual game issues instead of some garden lol

[royal frigate]

Fix the gardens to be rotating and put the flower in the shop for 200 arcs for founders to buy if they want it. BOOM FIXED

[grizzled bloom]

Whattt? Garden and flowers are bigger than the game now

[icy bough]

It honestly seems like majority of us are okay with the rotating gardens idea

[ornate loom]

cursed flower does a good enough job of restoring good will with the most loyal of customers, the ones who didn't refund among the many who were

[maiden field]

If this happen maybe only 2600 will try to complain lol

[royal frigate]

not even that a good number of the cursed people are ok with everyone having it if they get the gardens fixed

[dense dune]

Honestly it may be nicer to do instanced gardens for pop like relays and have flowers that aren't owned by you rotating, though that may look weird.

[maiden field]

Nice to know

[ornate loom]

it's kinda funny people hate others getting a purely cosmetic thing for having faith and not refunding and enduring violent cbt

but if they get something god forbid anyone mention it

[maiden field]

Sadly thats how the world work

[dense dune]

Very silent

[cursive moat]

Please remain constructive Envoy, don't call others selfish

[grizzled bloom]

Equality is treating everyone differently - Some dude 🛌

[ornate loom]

anyways imma bounce before the thread is closed

[grizzled bloom]

🤣

[dense dune]

Threads gonna be open at full release with salty founders

[royal frigate]

the salt is justified though

sorry wrong tag @cursive moat

[lapis parrot]

The thing is you should've been refunded or partially compensated. Again, I don't get a 1 of 1 mug on a late real life delivery

[royal frigate]

imagine buying a mug and they also give you a exclusive shirt for delivery being late 5 hours lol

[cursive galleon]

I agree with the rotating garden but I do think those who planted first should be more likely to appear at the top, but tbh the instances rotating is probably far easier to implement than the flowers themselves rotating. So perhaps when accolades get added, the date of purchase/acquisition can be displayed in the profile as well for those who are proud of being a Day 1, 2, 3 supporter

[ornate loom]

Oh the chaos that wouldbe caused legal and social if they gave paragon owners a discount.
people are freaking out at a cosmetic with no gameplay implications.
You think they'd stand for MONETARY implications?

[grizzled bloom]

Lol, the norm is to just give store credits

[ornate loom]

The people who paid more should actually be at the top

[vapid python]

It's more like buying a mug and getting a tiny sticker on it, for compensation but people can't have anyone have nice things apparently

[royal frigate]

I don't agree with that because that means people that got delayed will be punished unfairly. Not to mention it punishes newer founders

[grizzled bloom]

Do I count? I paid half the price due to regional pricing lol

[lapis parrot]

💀

[ornate loom]

HOW

[cursive moat]

The Founder launch was hyped up, people took time off, were excited, and then for reasons beyond their control could not play the game/could not play with the items they paid for.

Is a delay of a few hours a big deal in the grand scheme of things? No, but that doesn't mean it didn't ruin some people's day. And I don't think it's unfair to offer a small token to try and make amends for that 🤷‍♂️

[cursive galleon]

Fair point

[ornate loom]

This ❤️

[grizzled bloom]

Everything in the store is half the price for me lol

[royal frigate]

i think a small token is fine. an exclusive prize is not

[hidden marlin]

this argument goes both ways. People bought founders to get in at the start without missing anything, and then found that because they weren't there during a specific limited time period, they missed something, permanently.

[true kestrel]

Yeah small token for them should not equal incomplete collection for the rest of us.

[icy bough]

I dont wanna be that person but I am autistic and set aside my entire day for founders so it certainly ruined my day.

[lapis parrot]

I'm gonna make sure to bug my account until it bricks multiple times, maybe I get a few 1 of 1 items too for my trouble. Should be totally fine too, it's an alpha, things break after all..no?

[hidden marlin]

and that's both ppl who lost time due to the glitch, and ppl who didn't get glitched 😛

at this point, DE can't win

[spring wolf]

Actually it wasn't even that xD cause i bought mine within the first 2-5 minutes and still got cursed, so it's more so people that got really lucky got theirs first

[cursive moat]

That's going to happen. There are glyphs in Warframe unique to live events, or creator programs, or given out randomly on Twitch streams

[grizzled bloom]

Except the small token somehow offends 90% of the other players that paid the same price?

[vapid python]

It's not a collectable though? It's just a flower

[true kestrel]

This is my issue. I literally only start live service games at the start so I don't miss anything. Accept now we have for reasons absolutely beyond our control.

[royal frigate]

but all of the unique glyphs you could get them if you wanted it. the flower was purely RNG

[cursive moat]

No you couldn't

[true kestrel]

Says who?

[icy bough]

Yeah this is a good point, the issue with the preludes honor is that it is in the compendium.

[cursive galleon]

Its hard being someone who sees both sides of the argument lol

[vapid python]

You could not, certain twitch glyphs are permanently unobtainable

[hidden marlin]

sure, and this also goes both ways, since missing out on being able to plant a flower in the first few hours falls under the same argument. both sides are making a big deal out of whatever they think they've missed

[royal frigate]

but you could get them at one point which is what matters.

[cursive moat]

There are glyphs you can't get unless you were part of a creator program, or an art contest, there's Sekhara given for being one of the first 1000 people to do X or Y or achieve a high score, etc...

[hidden marlin]

I just don't see why ppl can make exactly the same argument the other side is making, and then claim they fail to see the logic of the other side.

[cursive galleon]

Are the founders names in the relays all part of the same list or does it work the same as the eternium?

[vapid python]

You could not, they are UNOBTAINABLE?

[dense dune]

There's also people who put off on buying the stuff because they reasonably expected purchasing issues and now they miss out for not trying to be in that group.

[royal frigate]

but they WERE NOT at one point

[cursive moat]

No, there are glyphs that were literally always unobtainable unless you were a creator or at a certain event

[ornate loom]

^

[royal frigate]

so you just had to be a creator or present at the event. you still could get it vs this

[grizzled bloom]

Yea, different stuff. We were all here?

[potent sandal]

What really stands out is how strongly some people oppose the idea of acknowledging player history in-game, as if a small cosmetic somehow robs others of something. The cursed marifold isn’t about exclusivity or bragging rights; it’s a simple token that captures a moment when things went wrong during the founders launch. It’s a marker of a mistake, but also a gesture of gratitude toward the players who were directly affected, players who lost the spot they wanted, stayed up late for the rollout, and watched the date they’d planned around turn out to be incorrect.

There’s nothing unfair about letting a game reflect its own past. You can’t be part of every in-group, and that’s fine. Every long-lived game has moments that shape its identity. Pretending those moments don't exist just because they didn’t involve every single player is absurd. A tiny cosmetic doesn’t take anything away from anyone else, and the idea that it does is flimsy at best.

Meanwhile, the alternative being arc compensation or blanket monetary payout feels sterile and disconnected. It might settle the issue on paper, but it erases the actual story. If every misstep is handled with impersonal currency and nothing ever leaves a mark on the world, the game loses its chance to build a meaningful, lived history. Cosmetics tied to real events give the world texture. They show that things happened, that players mattered, and that the developers acknowledged their impact.

If the community really wants a game with personality and continuity, then symbolic items like the marifold aren't “taking away” but are doing the opposite. They’re preserving what would otherwise be forgotten.

[vapid python]

So you had to be present at the event. Hence a cursed founder in this instance

[royal frigate]

"The cursed marifold isn’t about exclusivity or bragging rights" No it defo will be used to brag later on

[cursive moat]

Bragging about what? "XSOLLA blocked my payment"?

[cursive galleon]

Tbf anything can be used to brag later on though

[icy bough]

I think this is very well spoken

[royal frigate]

wrong. because the equivalent would be the event to just explode out of nowhere in the middle of a random city. not a planned event

[true kestrel]

I get a bit fed up of Warframe being an explanation for everything. I didn't play Warframe. I know nothing about it. I supported this game on its own merit and I'll give feedback based on my opinions on this game. Just because Warframe does something doesn't mean they have to do the same. It's not Warframe 2. Just because it's the same company doesn't mean they have to copy everything.

[potent sandal]

You can't work on hypotheticals, that argument is based on being afraid of not being of part of some ingroup. There is nothing to brag.

[grizzled bloom]

I have a PRETTY BLACK FLOWER that you dont.

[ornate loom]

@cursive moatplus there's sigils like this

[vapid python]

"I got stuck in DDOS PREVENTION by XSOLLA", yeah certainly screams bragging 💖

[potent sandal]

That's really not a bragging right. Unless you are envious that person has something you don't.

[hidden marlin]

anyway, denumber the garden instances, ppl keep their flowers, DE leans into the whole flower/garden thing for future stuff for flavour. We all laugh about it 10 years hence 😛

[royal frigate]

you didnt mention the flower so i assume youre fine not getting it then?

[ornate loom]

bragging that I love bending backwards for digital extremes 😎

[potent sandal]

DE is building something more personal. I think let them cook.

[hidden marlin]

this is precisely an argument between two groups of ppl who feel that way (only difference being one lot got something and the other lot didn't) 😄

[ornate loom]

real real real

[icy bough]

I honestly dont mind being rewarded for not refunding, i feel more appreciated

[vapid python]

I say point A. How are you coming to conclusion B?

[grizzled bloom]

Envious for what? Paying the same price but somehow someone who had issues with the system gets compensated with something unobtainable? Its called Unfair.

[royal frigate]

because youre conveniently leaving the exclusive flower out of the ecuation like its not important

[vital tinsel]

Overall just feels the flower system have to be reworked entirely, it just feels bad, with cursed bloom or not

[cursive galleon]

Yea…

Thats my main takeaway from all of this, but then you have people who planted in specific number and whatnot that will feel that THAT is unfair so. It feels like no decision will resolve the frustrations that one or another group may feel

[royal frigate]

And they get to keep their number but the gardens will be on a random rotation.

everyone wins

[potent sandal]

Is it fair those that payed to stay up for a release of a numbered object (say a statue, limited run card or game) payed for it first but received a lower number due to an error in the system thus their efforts were never reflected in the object they worked for?

Should stories not be immortalized in the game? How is it unfair they were compensated and those that werent affected weren't compensated?

[hidden marlin]

the garden numbering in the UI is kind of random right now tho isn't it? It's definitely not in order starting from 1. Or is that a bug? 😄

[royal frigate]

just because you stay up a few hours that doesnt entitle you to be further than everyone else.

[ornate loom]

the people who waited to plant in instance 6 9 or the top instances shouldn't be punished for their dedication either

thus i don't think it being rotating would solve anything

[vapid python]

That's a bug as far as I'm aware

[ornate loom]

there were people waiting all night to plant in instances 67 and 69

[night flame]

🤣

[potent sandal]

No one is entitled to anything. The point is that its just a small personal gesture from DE. I think what I find odd is how people are against of how personal DE wants to be in this development.

[hidden marlin]

I feel that just as people blowing up over a flower are molehill->mountain, the ppl claiming they made some great sacrifice to get in an early are doing pretty much the same thing.

[spring wolf]

I think that's a bug, because after the hotfix restart it went back to normal numbers 1-4, my flower was back in plot 29 - but before the restart it was all jumbled & my flower somehow ended up in number 27

[true kestrel]

I planted in garden 1 and I still think it's a silly idea. I would think a company would want all players to feel equally valued and rewarded. Not set up systems that prioritise certain groups and upset the rest. The goal should be equality between all players

[royal frigate]

a "small" gesture is not an exclusive item. its giving some arcs.

[ornate loom]

agreed

[potent sandal]

Arcs is impersonal and you don't allow stories to be made in a game all about stories.

[icy bough]

I disagree, having an entire day planned out for this stuff and then not getting it actually rly sucks.

[ornate loom]

I think the cursed flowers and prelude honors are actually pros for the player base as they signal DE cares about your struggles as a player and are willing to do whatever it takes to right their wrongs against their darling customers

[potent sandal]

If DE resolves all problems by simply giving arcs as compensation then this goes strictly against what the games message is about

[royal frigate]

you just said small gesture. what you're describing is the opposite

[grizzled bloom]

If you are talking about the garden numbers, then there are a lot of people, me included, who planted their flowers today as the gardens were bugged/full. Should I get a black flower and special garden too as well?

[ornate loom]

they want DE to be the companies that no one likes

[vapid python]

This, plus arcs would give an ingame advantage so more people would inadvertently be upset over that

[potent sandal]

How is it not small? What makes a personal cosmetic gift so huge?

[ornate loom]

it's like moving from some horrible neighborhood and then complaining new place isn't like the old one

[hidden marlin]

this is just going in circles now. People value different things. We can sit here arguing till we're blue in the face that this or that is more significant, but we'll never get everyone to agree.

[royal frigate]

exclusivity. want to look up how many excalibur prime when returning posts there are? even though umbra exists

[potent sandal]

If DE feels like it would make a good story to tell later doen the line then sure

[vapid python]

Your own actions are not the same as getting prevented to plant something outside of your control

[royal frigate]

an exclusive prize is not a "small" gesture no matter how you try to spin it.

[cursive moat]

There's a difference between a whole playable Warframe and a flower that's a different color

[icy bough]

This ^

[grizzled bloom]

It doenst count as my own action, if the systems decides the gardens are full. I have nothing to do about it.

[ornate loom]

Side note: excalibur prime is an ideal. It's not even that good a frame, but what it represents is massive - the people who stood by the devs no matter what. the people who funded an uncertain product.
the real strongest supporters.

[icy bough]

the flowers arent even an ingame item

[potent sandal]

There are always going to be people who want to be part of an in group, it doesn't necessarily they are justified. Excal prime is a whole warframe, a flower that is easily missable is not.

[ornate loom]

^

[potent sandal]

Why is it not small? What constitutes small but still personal for you in a game about histories and stories

[true kestrel]

Compensation should be about rectifying the actual issue. Eg preludes honour. Someone earlier mentioned they could have given xp boosting potions to help people regain their progression. They could have given fragments out of pieces available before the resets. That is addressing the issue. That is the type of compensation that should be looking at. Not something which then causes a divide between the haves and the have nots

[ornate loom]

ie, cushy suburb dudes wanting to bust into authentic hiphop

[royal frigate]

small isnt something unique that the majority of the playerbase can never get.

[lapis parrot]

Amazing ideas btw.

[icy bough]

But the flowers aren’t something to “get” they arent ingame items that do anything

[vapid python]

Are you going to protest all the timed glyphs in warframe as well? Or the raid emblems? Because you didn't get them?

[grizzled bloom]

+1

[royal frigate]

i got the raid emblems cause i WAS THERE for it

[potent sandal]

Why not?
Exclusivity doesnt mean it's something important. Are timed glyphs in Warframe special? What about creator glyphs that only some have?

[ornate loom]

or the sigils that barely a percent would ever obtain

[royal frigate]

youre contradicting yourself. if its not important then let everyone have it

[ornate loom]

the reason why it's given is compensation to right a wrong
and to build good will

[royal frigate]

was the rift sigil given by RNG to players? no that means its a false equivalency

[vapid python]

Oh so you're not complaining because it was something YOU were there for?

[icy bough]

Id also argue creator glyphs are pretty equivalent to the cursed flower

[grizzled bloom]

Big difference bro. If I was never there to paly the game at that time, I have 0 reasons to complain about it.

[royal frigate]

two wrongs dont make a right

[hidden marlin]

most of those ppl knew they were coming and could choose to try get them. This was something nobody was warned about and could not plan for. At no point did DE say "ppl who buy SF founders within the first few hours will get 'special' treatment"

[ornate loom]

the curse wasn't rng
it was the people earliest

[potent sandal]

If you did wrong to a family member, would you give an apology gift to your family?

[lapis parrot]

Aye you're not a family member bro you're a consumer

LOL

[cursive galleon]

Some of these arguments are full of fallacies

[royal frigate]

yeah but i wouldnt give them a 1 out of 100 exclusive item ever made and act like its a small gesture.

[hidden marlin]

and remember, there are plenty of people buying SF founders to get in at the start, all they did wrong was miss out a specific unannounced window by a couple of hours (or whatever)

[ornate loom]

DE is treating the customer like family, it's actually a net positive for the players

[vapid python]

Because it was an accidental circumstance yeah I don't see the issue

[potent sandal]

The message of the game is all about stories, histories and family.

[cursive moat]

Of course it was unannounced it's not like the payment issues were planned

[hidden marlin]

yes, but that's the difference between a glyph u know is coming, and a flower u didn't know was coming

[potent sandal]

Lets focus on that word, 'exclusive'. What makes it an object of desire?

[lapis parrot]

Don't make me get into how they treat customers like family bro, you don't know the dark side. Warframe is filled with silenced stories about how "DE treats players like family", but I won't get into them

[spring wolf]

Or was it

[hidden marlin]

I'm pointing out the difference between what happened in this scenario, and the comparisons you guys are making

[cursive moat]

I do want to push back on this a little because some people are talking about this with terms like "RNG" and "You had to know" this was an issue that affected people, it's not a random prize being given out just cause

[spring wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/scheming-evil-plan-evil-patrick-star-gif-5437636

[cursive galleon]

Okay to be fair, the cursed founders seem to be the people that purchased in the first few minutes. So… its a bit different

[ornate loom]

DE in all my years has been nothing but good to me so idk what you are talking about.

[potent sandal]

Exactly. This isn't an RNG thing lmao.

[royal frigate]

doesnt matter what makes it an object of desire. Thats not the point of it.

[icy bough]

Everyone has bad stories with every company, it isn’t indicative that DE is bad towards customers.

[vapid python]

Apparently that some 2649 people get something the rest doesn't no matter what it is makes people want it too

[potent sandal]

It absolutely does. What makes it so desirable?

[royal frigate]

literally is if people got it RANDOMLY

[royal frigate]

exclusivity mainly but again thats irrelevant

[grizzled bloom]

The RNG was done by the payment system xD

[royal frigate]

^

[cursive galleon]

No?

[potent sandal]

So anything exclusive is desirable?

[icy bough]

We didnt get it randomly, we were given it due to something real that affected people.

[ornate loom]

^

[royal frigate]

depends on the person. which again is irrelevant

[potent sandal]

It wasn't. It was a problem on a system level by DE.

[potent rain]

+1 to this specific comment

[royal frigate]

yeah which was a random unplanned unexpected event. by definition its random

[potent sandal]

It absolutely is. The argument here is that 'they received something I didn't thus I desire it' isn't that just wanting to be part of an in group?

[icy bough]

The event was random, the item was not. The item is a response to a random event.

[royal frigate]

i can also say isnt it just wanting to be special and not have others part of the group?

[cursive moat]

Please don't discuss moderation issues Envoy, that includes Warframe moderation

[royal frigate]

i never said the item was random. thats not the point

[grizzled bloom]

💀

[potent sandal]

No since they were affected and DE could do whatever they like and they want to be personal in how they treat the matter.

[icy bough]

But it is?

[vapid python]

Well well

[hidden marlin]

DE made a big deal out of making sure everyone knew when founders was launching, and that there will be a 30 day notice before it finishes, so that people wouldn't miss out. So, many people would have made a decision to wait a bit based on the assumption they were getting in at the start, as long as they buy it before the founders launch period finishes. So no, I don't think someone rushing to get it in the first few hours is particularly significant or some great sacrifice.

[royal frigate]

doing whatever they like doesnt mean people have to agree with it

[potent sandal]

The group isn't special, its how you perceive it that makes them special to your eyes.

[cursive galleon]

Fair point

[potent rain]

Or how they view themselves

[royal frigate]

its not special and yet youre fighting tooth and nail for others to not get it. contradiction

[hidden marlin]

the arguments, and the logic, and the playing up of one's own special situation and playing down of others' situations looks symmetrical to me, maybe not perfectly, but close enough.

[grizzled bloom]

Are you a cursed founder?

[potent sandal]

We can criticize how people view themselves. We cannot shun people for how we view themselves.

[cursive moat]

Again, it isn't being given for "Being first" it's because there were issues, it's compensation for an unfortunate issue, not a reward for being early

[ornate loom]

If someone waits till the end to get founders they likely aren't vying for an early garden spot

nor are they affected by delays that ruined their plans- plans which they likley shifted work/family schedules for

[potent sandal]

Idk, I just payed and never logged in cause it was late. I just planted my flower in the morning and called it there.

[icy bough]

Because adding it gives history and culture to the game and community, it commemorates a big event in the game’s history. It goes with the themes of the game.

[grizzled bloom]

Same lol

[potent rain]

Id personally say having groups of people with exclusive items makes special groups within the community, my opinion on the matter keep in mind

[royal frigate]

its still a exclusive prize that puts those players above the rest. I play and love to collect stuff

[cursive moat]

How does it put them above the rest

[royal frigate]

having something others dont.

[potent sandal]

Again the question is 'Why does an exclusive item so desirable' if its simply 'Cause I don't have it' then thats just envy.

[hidden marlin]

then you're contradicting people who are arguing they got the cursed flower and want a special garden because they missed out on being "first" in planting their flower

[icy bough]

???

[royal frigate]

whats it called when you want others to not have what you have just because?

[true kestrel]

In a game based on collection it means theirs's is complete and mine isn't.

[royal frigate]

^

[potent rain]

Yeah and envy is a pretty basic human condition, as is wanting to be special

Whats the point

[icy bough]

Flowers arent in any collections, its not an in game item

[cursive moat]

I have Joineries that don't work anymore in my inventory that you can never get again because that system is deprecated, that doesn't make my account "more complete"

[royal frigate]

is it outside the game?

[true kestrel]

If I am trying to collect everything in a game that's up to me. Not the UI.

[vapid python]

Would you still be having these arguments if you were part of the ingroup then? It feels like your arguments are entirely on how you didn't get something someone else will

[icy bough]

I mean, technically yes.

[royal frigate]

its not youre just grasping at straws. its in the game

[potent sandal]

I agree! People want to be seen and recognized! So let them be seen but you can't get mad if you in particular aren't always being seen.

[grizzled bloom]

Yoo, I was about to say that lol.

[icy bough]

Its a relay decoration, its not tied to the actual game in any way

[lapis parrot]

You can plant 1 flower in 5 gardens Vs people that can plant 1 flower in 4 gardens . Statistically you have a higher chance for your name to be seen in the credits (gardens)

[royal frigate]

obviously because i want others to have it. I have mag and frost heirloom and i was an advocate for everyone to get them for play

[royal frigate]

thats still part of the game

[potent rain]

Never said I was mad or even want the exclusives personally, simply stating I don't think its healthy to include systems that are going to cause envy and the perception of being special.

[icy bough]

Okay? It commemorates a moment in history.

[cursive moat]

"You have better odds at getting your username seen" isn't exactly a real advantage

[grizzled bloom]

But, the only one that bothers me is the preludes honor simply because its part of the compendium

[icy bough]

This ^

[royal frigate]

still an advantage

[grizzled bloom]

I will be at 99/100 no matter what

[lapis parrot]

Then why give it to begin with

[cursive moat]

No it isn't

[lapis parrot]

It's clear it was gonna be controversial

Why do it

[royal frigate]

25% higher chance to be seen how is that not an advantage ?

[icy bough]

none of these arguments actually affect anything in game, none of these arguments are advantages

[cursive moat]

...how is having your username seen an advantage

That doesn't do anything

What

[cursive galleon]

Lol