Honest feedback for P12

[limber radish]

The P12 update brought MTX and Founder content to the forefront, but it feels like it came at the cost of core functionality. A lot of systems that previously worked are now broken or inconsistent. Several weapons and pacts don’t function properly, which is especially frustrating when combat is a central part of the experience. Multiplayer also remains in a rough state. Connection issues, desync, and general instability continue to make co-op play unreliable, even though this update was clearly designed with cooperative content in mind.

Points of interest are also suffering from basic problems: ladders that can’t be climbed, weapon racks that appear empty, and other interactables that simply don’t work. On top of that, faction systems and their quests are buggy, and XP gain feels significantly worse. Despite the devs claiming that the grind has been reduced, the progression currently feels slower and less rewarding.

The list goes on...

Overall, this patch comes across as rushed, primarily to push out the Founder packs, rather than as a stable, polished update. The community discussion seems more focused on the cosmetic Founder flower and the Preludes Honor than on the state of the actual gameplay, which says a lot. Instead of actually playing the game, people focus on things which are not in the core loop. At the moment, the game just isn’t very fun to play, and it would be great to see more thorough QA and internal testing before updates of this scale go live.

Inb4 people jump me for it being a pre-alpha, they are collecting a VAST amount of money now, so I expect the quality of updates much more polished. That is not an excuse anymore. On every part of the update you get the monetization splashed into your face.

[spice shoal]

I know a lot of people will respond and say its Pre-Alpha but feedback like this is important otherwise Devs wont know how or why to correct course.

I have full faith that DE will improve it but I agree that this patch wasnt the direction i expected.

Faction exp gain needs further improvement and I'll be honest i'm probably just gonna ignore the faction grind until im fully endgame and can do tier 3 level 40-50 quests and that shouldnt be the case.

the few content in the current game shouldnt be ignored to grind late game but thats just the most optimal use of my time right now.

pacts need a lot of help in the balance department so many feel extremely underwhelming.

the stat system also makes no sense with some class schools. the fact that i have to sacrifice damage to get ability damage and courage can get both just makes me only wanna stick to that as well.

I digress though, my point is that the game needs a lot of work and P12 has felt like a major step backwards but i have full faith that DE will deliver

[limber radish]

Tier 3 Level 40-50 do not exist sadly. Thats what even weirder

[spice shoal]

I see, thats sad to hear but I assume it will eventually be corrected. well one nice thing with the Ode Tempest nerf is I dont feel the need to try and get it anytime soon which is funny since that and the Mora's Hand are the "end game" pacts in the current state of the game

[gleaming blade]

Yeah, I expected to see Tales spawn in the Cogah mode, but the only ones that do are if I was wandering around, got some to appear then went to Cogah after they were there. I did not do them so I have no clue on what the said levels would have been.

[jolly sinew]

+1 I agree with OP honest feedback is necessary, especially since soulframe is monetised now

[willow crater]

I 100% agree with all you said. I really hope people start to realize how insane the faction grind became because they need to balance it asap imo

[winged osprey]

Yeah it’s baffling to me how some people give more importance to Preludes Honors and how that thread had to be muted because people were going rabid over some pixels that have no meaning whatsoever and no one focused on the game and the fact that this update came severely underbaked. +1 to what you said, you checked some core points and hope DE gives more attention to feedback like yours and not to the people that say that if they can’t collect everything, they will not play anymore.

[gleaming blade]

It's chill now, had some good convo and ideas thrown out there with some guys

To add to my comment about tales in cogah, I found one, drank my cogah and activated it, nothing happened quest wise until I died in cogah, then I got the audio for the tale

[worldly quartz]

It's an important convo still, has to do with the future of exclusivity and the fomo stuff (though this really isn't fomo)

Still kinda insane just how heated it got

[willow crater]

oh my bad i didn't see the other thread with 140 post

[worldly quartz]

But yes I very much agree with everything you are saying, saying they are going to decrease grind this update and then making the grind for factions significantly more painful is not a good look, that really got to me.

So +1

[shell bough]

Based

+1

[limber radish]

Mind-boggling to me too

[glad crypt]

They put the pacts and faction weapons in the Zenith store (camel) then they made the faction grind need 40% more missions on 3* high level enemies JUST for the rank, on top of like 20-30 more missions for rewards. In the same patch 😭

[jolly sinew]

Faction grind gotta be the worst though. The level 40-50 3 star tale is like doing the highest steel path level warframe bounties for the lowest standing reward possible

[limber radish]

Yeah it feels like a monetization push, even if not on purpose. Calling the grind a lot easier in the stream prior the update is the most ironic thing I have listened to for a while.

[willow crater]

yeah they talked a lot how it we will get more xp but didn't say a word about the price going up lol

even in the stream where the dev read the patchnote he skipped the part about the new price

[glad crypt]

Monkey paw, now you can cap the 15k in 15 quests instead of 30 but takes more quests overall for everything (and more days)

[spare smelt]

+1

[worldly quartz]

It feels very antagonistic especially since by all means this is so, so much more worse. Hope they just fibbed the numbers somewhere before launch, because if not then it makes me question their ability to balance xd

[velvet stump]

+1 I agree with you. I hope now that they got their first money on the game with founders that they will proceed to add more workforce and resources on develpoing the game

[dreamy crag]

what i want to know is : do they think they can get the engine to perform like ppl want it to perform or we will be in this kind of buggy mess forever and its back to the WF formula of "why suffer if I can cheese it, please more cheese next update so i can keep cheesing". Theres bugs in WF that never got fixed throughout the years....can we please slow down on the content and just take care of the bugs so in 4 years its not "the bugs are too old, its spaghetti code, we dont know how to fix it". Ive been hearing about Nimrod/Dimrod hitbox for months now...and with the way I died yesterday, its obviously not fixed. It can't be THAT hard to fix, unless it's unfixable because of the engine ?!

[limber radish]

[phone], core stability must be first, not pushing new content which destroys every other aspect of the game, cause somehow they are connected in the code

[jolly sinew]

100% agree. Pre-alpha should focus on stability and the streamlining of core systems

[brittle solar]

This is a very concise post that sums up alot about how I'm feeling about P12. My biggest gripe with the game right now is all the mismatched progression that exists within co-op play that wasn't fixed from P11.

I expect a slow, grindy game out of Soulframe, and taking a long time for something is fine, but the changes to Enclaves to be heavily reliant on daily caps rather than raw rep grind is questionable and demoralizing, given i know players that powerfarmed factions in P11 (I powerfarmed 2/3), and we're rewarded for it by saving days and weeks of daily cap time-gating.

The walls around the map are my second largest irritation with the update. It just makes traversal annoying, encouraging cheesing with session duplication and Bromius/climbing around the actual walls rather than finding a gate. My group and I literally say "Skyriming it" up a hill or mountain in voice chat.

[willow crater]

I think they should allow us to permanently destroy those walls with an event or a quest

[glad crypt]

The orange man took over midrah and built walls...

[shadow loom]

I would like some way to know my level while I level up, Like an exp bar

[limber radish]

I think thats not a thing even in WF, not sure though

[stiff crescent]

In Warframe things tend to level up more quickly

[glossy coral]

Wholeheartedly agree with the OP, they did not hit the mark of balancing F2P with the cash shop. There's many things for sale that I would outright remove, frankly they just weren't ready to launch the cash shop. I would've rather just had the weapon rack and pacts until they had cosmetics and some other things to sell, but joineries being priced all over the place, 2* armorsets for sale, 2* weapons, not only do they feel like F2P traps but it feels very F2P in a bad way.

Literally anything they can sell they're selling except for coin.

As for progression, I preferred P11. The new faction grind actually has me angry that I didn't grind out the final two ranks of my final faction and get everything before the change. This is enough grind for the sake of grind to make Korean MMORPGs blush.

I like the founder's packs, but why launch the arc store if you don't have enough to justify it? Should've been delayed imo

[spice shoal]

While slower than warframe it doesn't feel that slow in general. I wouldnt be against a bar but I also dont think id bother to ever check it.

But thats me and this game is more rpg than warframe is and theres certain rpg elements that most people would expect (like an exp bar)

[limber radish]

Uproar about a exlusive flower cause some people got shafted with backlogging, this is crazy.

[spice shoal]

I knew it was gonna happen lol

[limber radish]

Most envious community I have seen, ngl

[stiff crescent]

Yeahh

[limber radish]

alienating to say the least

[stiff crescent]

Indeed. It's why I usually just stick to #gameplay-discussion tbh

[limber radish]

3 Founder items not useable, multiplayer still absolutely broken beyond hope, but we got another hotfix for the garden

[velvet stump]

There is an EXP bar in Warframe. You just have to open the statistics menu. There you can see the EXP bar the amount of EXP you have atm in the mission and the extra EXP from affinity. I think it was with O or P... Can't remember haven't played in 2 years. To be fair Warframe has managed to be more informative towards the player the last few years. I hope Soulframe takes notes cause rn most of the explaining is written in poetic text ;-;

[limber radish]

ohhh didn't know, than that would make a lot of sense here too!

[glad crypt]

💀 melee broken, systems dumbed down (can't stack critters of the same name, different name have different bonuses), defenses useless

[jolly sinew]

Wdym 3 founders items that are unseable? I’ve had no issues with wyld tetheren. But tbh yeah combat needs an overhaul, I am still hopeful that this could change, we are in the early stages of development (of the core systems)

[limber radish]

Wyld Tethren is giga bugged my friend

The second you smite a red soul, your dmg becomes nearly negative, skills are not functional as well, bugging out constantly. The taunt doesnt work either, its weird

Thats Gathannan right after I consumed a soul, powering up Wyld Tethrens gem slot

My courage was 0

Can recreate this bug everytime, Fellust doesnt work either, 2 as well

And Alder is bugged as well, has no scaling and goes into negative scaling

[jolly sinew]

I feel really stupid for not noticing

I don’t understand why they haven’t fixed it yet

You’re basically paying money for a broken founders pack

[limber radish]

and nearly all pacts dont work in multiplayer

while they promote multiplayer every stream, which is very cool too

them not working in MP is known for 3-4 months now as well

[limber radish]

went in game just now to check if its still there

thats my weapon before smiting

the more I smite, the less damage I deal

[jolly sinew]

xD

This needs to get fixed ASAP

[limber radish]

Maybe its not affecting you if you play Tethren and play a not courage attuned weapon

let me check

new POIs are empty too, everything feels so rushed its crazy

[limber radish]

checked it, smiting a soul with Wyld Tethren which buffs courage and using a Spirit weapon doesn't reduce your weapon damage to nearly 0

You are not allowed to use Wyld Pacts which buffs your attunement on smite, then you are fine

So basically, you are not allowed to play their actual attunement x)

[ocean berry]

THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH. I'm over here wondering why my damage tanks mid-fight, and if my courage is dropping to 0, it makes PERFECT sense

[jolly sinew]

If you buy a premium item you should get 0 bugs out of the box, this isn’t very professional tbh.

[limber radish]

Yeah idk why its not getting hotfixed, albeit being known since day of 1 founders

[jolly sinew]

Yeah. Typically every thing seems to get resolved in the week so I’m not that angry about it.

But updates should take a bit more time. All these bugs are just because they’re rushing the update

[limber radish]

only a relog fixes it as well, if you switch pacts, your courage will never recover

[glad crypt]

Check the fort at the top of the map in NE. There's a small mini tower there randomly. The ladders on it look hilarious

[limber radish]

Plenty ladders where you float climb them too

or just cant climb them at all

[glad crypt]

You can't climb these but they're as chunky as the tower itself

💀 💀 💀 💀

[naive cove]

I double down on that, I was creating new sets in my nightfold and by swapping pact and vertues I hit negative numbers (between Oscelda and Sirin) :
If it was just UI bugs I wouldn't mind but it affected the weapons damage output too after a few other tries to replicate that error on grace. (second pics)

Maybe a feed on bug-tracking to talk about it would help ?

[limber radish]

I did, on day 1

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443215847266189434

i keep updating it, DE just needs to look at the thread, it has most gamebreaking bugs

[naive cove]

Thanks, I didn't saw that thread.