Masculine founder armor in need of visual rework

[wicked spruce]

In short: Wyld armors are looking lackluster on masculine model (especially Oscelda) and need some rework.
For the price paid I'd assume there would be** two different bodytype armors** to use for all players, no matter the bodytype chosen, but alas, we don't have it. The perfect solution would be like in Warframe with Bishamo armor for operator from Teshin - there are two Bishamo armor types that support fem and masc bodytypes and thus they look slightly different and can be used by both body types.
I was suspecting the Wyld armor on masculine model would be... Well, more flat at least in the chest area or sculpted with pectorals in mind, but on top of that not being the case, one of the sets lacks material on the back and looks absolutely unfinished (images 4,5 and 6 - Oscelda) - I'm unsure if thats a bug or intentional design, either way, it really looks bad.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the concepts, but the concepts itself are far superior than what we got, at least on the masculine body. These sets seem to be not... Fitted enough on this model? If that makes sense. The aesthetic is here, but sizing and overall choices are not. This is my actual biggest issue with the Paragon I got - conceptually the armors looked amazing, but I'm not thrilled to pay that much for something I'm not gonna wear on my character and how different it looks on different model that on the ones that were shown on the site as concepts.

TL;DR - Masculine models of Oscelda and Tethren armors are not fitted/changed enough to look like masculine versions of that set. They ideally need a bit more work in the chest area and some more re-fit work.

**Here is my post with small overpaint on Oscelda and Tethren armors to show how minor changes to the shapes on chest would give them more masculine look: **#1443095754293117048 message

Edit: Added some edits, changed the thread name and added link to overpaints.

[barren plaza]

+1

[sharp tapir]

+1

[vapid magnet]

YES +1

I wonder how this is not a thing already

[glossy owl]

+1

[fiery bay]

+1

[stable briar]

+1

[eager sinew]

• 1

[noble coral]

+1

[toxic sleet]

+1

[slim aurora]

+1

[autumn comet]

It's a big difference when compared side by side

[cunning hemlock]

+1

[gritty ivy]

I mean I kinda have to +1 here for fashion reasons, but y'all realize it's like that because Oscelda is female and its intended to be her armor?

[crisp lynx]

+1 please

[quartz pelican]

+1 I do hope they update Oscelda’s male model. The female model looks a lot better.

[ivory hound]

+1

[river swan]

+1 also why tethern so fat and also the pact hand does not match the armor at all, you look hella crippled. The normal tethern hand is much thicker in the shoulder and fits it way better, makes zero sense

[tall patrol]

+1

[molten pecan]

I dont see the problem? Its a belly plate, not your actual belly

but overall +1

[fresh badge]

+1

[sharp geyser]

+1
I play with masc body but can confirm that fem paragons costumes fit wonderfully. Especially the green Oscelda! It has the floor length garment that is missing from the masc version

[sharp geyser]

So? All three founders are female… does that mean people who play masc envoys don’t get the same privileges?

[gritty ivy]

Uhhhh

No they are not, two of them are female

Lol

XD

[sharp geyser]

They all have female costumes -> chest visuals

[gritty ivy]

And two of them are masc coded anyways

Oscelda is the only femme one

[sharp geyser]

Still, I only get the ugly Sirin one because I play a masc body?

“Masc coded” girl bye

[gritty ivy]

They areeeeee lol

[wicked spruce]

Yes, but it shouldnt matter. Multiple people voiced their disappointment about that particular armor, not to even mention the dysphoria issues which also vere voiced and I'm absolutely about it. I do not chose to play masc model to be forced to have visible chest on my armor.

[gritty ivy]

I didnt say I disagreed with it

Did I lol

"I kind of have to +1 here for fashion reasons" includes clothing yourself to not be dysphoric

Don't quote the Old Text to me, I was there when it was written

Why do you think I'm so happy about femme Oscelda

I have HEELS

Ahhhhh

[sharp geyser]

That part

[wicked spruce]

It's the same reason I'm unhappy with Oscelda so.

[gritty ivy]

Again- I don't have any issue with it

Le sigh

I can say it a million times, y'all just gonna ignore it

[sharp geyser]

Anyway they should make all versions of the costumes available to all body types

[gritty ivy]

The only reason I pointed out they were lore related was because people were acting like it was unheard of to have armor that just doesn't convert to body type

I've played the souls games and there's plenty in there

[gritty ivy]

Agreed

But you should also have the option to keep it femme if you wanna crossdress

Like the helmet toggle.

[wicked spruce]

That's why I made this thread, for the price and how they advertise them they should at least consider make it toggle as you said.

[eager sinew]

I just do not understand why they thought removing the cape would be what makes it a male variant, while leving the chestplate feminine. I really hope we dont end up getting two versions, but the male one still without the cape.

[autumn leaf]

+1

[sharp geyser]

Exactly. I truly hope they see your comment.

[delicate solstice]

unpopular opinion
all of them look good on masc envoy except for tetherin chest piece

they kinda have the early renaissance feel (not sure if I’m getting the period right) with the leg tights and puffiness elsewhere

[gloomy flint]

i only have the Oscelda set, but this is what it looks like on the fem envoy

[eager sinew]

those parts are completely fine by me personally. I just dont want them to remove a part of the armor (cape on Oscelda) and also to add a more neutral chest piece as an option to choose. I think we already have more feminine looking armors in the game that still fit the male body type, for example the Flaxen shell armor imo is a good balance.

[delicate solstice]

Oscelda and sirin works very well masc (i tried both already)

just tetherin is a bit hmmmmmm

I’ll send screenshots in a bit

[sharp geyser]

Male envoys really got screwed.. this looks so much nicer ..
Fem body has a nice braid as a hairpiece and male body gets unkempt hair

[gloomy flint]

im going to be getting the paragon bundle when i get paid, so if no one has added the other sets to this thread by then, i will

[eager sinew]

wait, the hair is different too? didnt even notice that lol

[sharp geyser]

yes.. the fem body got all the aesthetic upside

[gloomy flint]

it even changes the fem envoy from a brunette to a blonde

[eager sinew]

soo we do have a male variant, they just changed parts that dont have much to do with male body type. I dont get this at all...

[gritty ivy]

I mean

Are we really adhering to traditional gender stereotypes here

They removed the booba plate and made it a Spartan pectoral chestpiece

Is it just awkward to see the tummy?

Did you want a codpiece?

I'm just genuinely tryna figure out what they need to do to make it more masc

[eager sinew]

i dont think thats what people have problems with, more with the boobs that are not gender stereortype but body type related - and i think that should be optional because of that tbh - and also that males lose half of the armor practically with the cape gone

[gritty ivy]

No, the male chestpiece does not have the boob plate

It has the Spartan pectoral plate

Look again

They are flat as mississippi

[eager sinew]

let me see

[gloomy flint]

i think people are perceiving it as a boob plate due to the cloth hiding the ribcage area

[gritty ivy]

I mean its just the way the outfit is cut

[eager sinew]

ohh i see what you mean on the pics the difference is not very obvious, but i didnt buy it yet so i dont see in game

[gritty ivy]

Yeee

[eager sinew]

thanks for pointing it out although yes, it can be hard to spot. My main main issue is still half of the armor missing though

[gritty ivy]

And the guy complaining above that it changes his body shape, just take those two images and make one partially transparent please

No it does not

[gloomy flint]

imo the masc version is fine, it just looks better on the feminine body shape

[gritty ivy]

I can get why people would look at it and go "hm that's still a bit femme" but also look at how Tolkien elves are dressed and presented

I think it's perfectly in line with this universe

[eager sinew]

thats why i really miss my cape, i really want that elven grace and the cape adds so much to it

[gritty ivy]

It feels like it's a flower petal and I'm the bud

Ya know? It's so good

[gloomy flint]

my only complaint is that the coat tail thing is split between the body and leg pieces so you cant really use one but not the other as it will look weird

[wicked spruce]

Thank you for posting!

[coarse igloo]

JRR Tolkien did not choose how elves look like in LotR.
As the director of those movies is mainly responsible which is Peter Jackson.

[gritty ivy]

Tempest and forget fire fit it quite well

[gritty ivy]

Okay thanks Nimrod

I said "look" so I'm obviously referring to the movies and they were indeed originally Tolkien's creation

So your semantics are unneeded here thanks

Changes literally nothing about my point

It's mid fantasy regardless

[dull geode]

1+

[wicked spruce]

@languid jasper pinging you as we were talking about the issue in other thread

[languid jasper]

@wicked spruce ?

[wicked spruce]

For general approval of the idea haha

[languid jasper]

Oh +1 for sure

[coarse igloo]

The movies were not JRR Tolkien's creation at all, he solely set the foundation by creating the books (The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, etc.)
I get protective over such matter since I really cannot stand false facts regarding his legacy.
Besides you do not have to get a passive-aggressive demeanor when I was just trying to clarify things while protecting my hero/legend, unless you really do feed of confrontation/drama.

[gritty ivy]

None of this matters to the discussion at hand because your hero is not in the room and he will not sign your book for defending him

The point I was making is that traditionally elves are depicted as being more nonbinary or femme leaning, and this largely started with the Lord of the rings books.

Which he did. In fact. Write.

Whether or not the way the elves are depicted in the movie is accurate to the book, they both depict elves as being nonbinary or femme in the way that they are beautiful beyond human possibilities

[wicked spruce]

The thread is getting derailed with different arguments not really adding anything to my suggestion so I'm gonna most likely do another with rewording/general idea or armors if it continues.

[spiral current]

+1

The armor is great in design, but please make a male version of the armor 🙏🏻

[ashen jacinth]

+1 the gender difference worked fine with warframe, but in soulframe i feel more immersed in my envoy and having the armor randomly change my body feels hella weird.

[prime stag]

+1 Why? You're not a fan of the Tethren armor giving your male envoy Big-naturals? /s

[wicked spruce]

I might be back later with draw-over on the screenshots to give idea how armor on masc body could look like without changing the model drastically.

[flint portal]

+1 and for oscelda the floaty part behind the legs is also just missing on male body? which is kinda sad...

[delicate solstice]

this is on masc body
i think it looks good (minus tetherin chest)

[full citrus]

The pants on oscelda feels unfinished on male to me

[candid swan]

+1 but I have the opposite issue from OP, I wish we had the cool skirt the fem bodies get with Ocelda.

The chest piece looks pretty damn flat imo, and I personally like that it gives a slender look to the top (It's honestly just a tighter fit to the model, I don't see a change in physique at all.) I just wish it had more of the flaire that the fem version gets.

[eager sinew]

what pants piece are these? look different than in the pictures posted at the beginning of the thread

[sharp geyser]

That’s Wyld Sirin Pants

[eager sinew]

agree with the skirt part, make it an option at least

[candid swan]

I really don't think you can get any flatter than that.

[delicate solstice]

its sirin pants
oscelda chest

siring chest looks fine by model, less choice in colors though

[gritty ivy]

Exactly

[wicked spruce]

It's not about flat per se in the 3D sense, it's about the shape of the armor giving the look of round breast.

[gritty ivy]

Dont tell this guy about the Spartans

I hate to break it to you, but if you're a man and don't have even a small amount of breast to you, you need to work on those pecs

[wicked spruce]

This is irrelevant to my topic again

[gritty ivy]

It looks like a man's pecs just because you're projecting it being effeminate is eh

[wicked spruce]

Respectfully, please, don't assume anything about me nor my gender or how I'm presenting, it's not really a place for that.

[gritty ivy]

I'm not. You are asserting that the male version makes it look like you have breasts.

I'm saying it doesn't and that you are projecting that onto the armor because it looks like pectoral muscles

I wasn't using projecting in the sense of projecting insecurities, I don't know you personally

I mean you're putting your own perception of it onto it instead of taking it at face value, I guess would be the way to phrase that? My bad

[wicked spruce]

English is not my first language nor I don't really understand when you are being genuine or using irony/other stuff (indicators? Tone indicators I think) so I'm just trying to tell everything straight up. It's hard when I don't have proper words to say what I want to communicate.

[autumn comet]

surely as a paragon founder that you wouldn't say no to extra options for fashion for the premium armor sets in the game?

the topic isn't historical accuracy or gender presentation on the wyld armor set.

the topic of this feedback is simple. OP wanted options for chests.

[gritty ivy]

They do- they already exist. OP is asking for a feature already in game

[autumn comet]

no.

[gritty ivy]

Your option is changing your body type. I wouldn't argue with a toggle that lets you cross dress between the two though

You are asking the devs to rerig and remesh the armor sets because the gender variants arent "gender roled" enough

[autumn comet]

yes, are we not on the feedback forum?

[gritty ivy]

And I think

A) that's way too much work to justify the time

B) something they already took the time to plan for because there are gendered sets already

You already bought the founders, and what if someone likes the old way?

You gonna make the devs jump through 7 different hoops of toggles to make them just right?

Accept them as they are and move on

[molten pecan]

Its a feedback forum, so their feedback is still valuable.

[autumn comet]

or, don't reply to feedback threads that don't apply to you?

you don't work for DE you don't get to approve these

[gritty ivy]

They can certainly provide feedback as can I and my feedback is that this is a wasted effort

[gritty ivy]

And you don't dictate what I levy my opinion on

It's a suggestions thread, I'm allowed to suggest you accept the armor as it is because they already out the work in to make gendered sets

Ty

[autumn comet]

none of this matters to the discussion at hand.

[foggy sand]

Envoys this conversation has veered from feedback to argument and I don't think it's very productive at this point

[gritty ivy]

Bring up what got posted yesterday as a responce to someone else going off topic

?

Ok

[autumn comet]

[foggy sand]

Don't stoke things back up please

[gritty ivy]

Either way, it's not worth doing from a dev perspective, and not worth making an issue of.

If it's not the right look, you don't really have a choice atm. Maybe it'll change. Press x to doubt, though

[gloomy flint]

let DE decide if its worth it or not, op was just saying that they do not like the appearance of the founder armour as it is currently on the masc body type

[gritty ivy]

Yep, I doubt they will but they can hope

[vapid magnet]

I agree, It's a feedback forum and not a competition on who's right. I personally think it's fair to ask for feedback on a paid product for it to be as satisfying as it could be, even if it takes effort in doing so. Worst case scenario, the sets won't change but feedback will be incorporated in the future. Arguing against just to prove a point is not very productive. No one here owns the truth, just opinions, though some have a more condescending tone than others and that's not productive either

[coral folio]

this suggestion is a big +1, any and all player freedom to make their envoy look the way that they want is a win for me personally as someone who loves to customize and wear androgynous clothing. my envoy might have a "male" body type, but some of the "female" armor could look great on them. freedom to choose is a good thing

[vapid magnet]

Some people have voiced the dyphoria factor as well, which should not be simply brushed over

[foggy sand]

I'm all for more fashion options so +1

[full citrus]

it wont change if noone asks for it. Hence here we are.

And like the good change to the Dax armor in warframe, i support doing what warframe is doing in december; Decoupling face and body, allowing more choice for the player in what they want to present as. Soulframe already has precedent for gendered armor, which i wish it didnt: Orengall

[vapid magnet]

Yeah! It's early stages still, but everything we talk about here can be incorporated in the future. Simply not talking about it because "it is what it is" is bad mindset

[autumn comet]

more armor options for founders is always a good thing

[vapid magnet]

100%. and now they have the money to allocate more time into it too

[gritty ivy]

Its not just "it is what it is" but a matter of the devs already made a concerted effort to make gendered versions of the armors.

And again, it's worth bringing up that there have already been people who have mentioned that they like the way the armor is now and DONT want it changed.

How does DE please both crowds?

[gloomy flint]

100% this, its the entire purpose of the preludes, for DE to get feedback about what people do and dont like about the game in its early stages

[coral folio]

"i don't like having choices!" i don't know who is parading this opinion around but how can more options to customize YOUR character be bad?

if you don't like it then don't use the feature when it is added, simple.

[gritty ivy]

Yeah yeah feedback feedback is important.

But the actual issue at hand.

You're effectively advocating for them dedicating more money, time, and resources to making substantial changes to existing sets that many of the people who bought it already like.

Are we advocating for DE to just add every option as a toggle to satisfy everyone?

Because that's the only solution and I'm certain they'd rather be spending time developing the more crucial parts of the game like new armor sets and weapons and new stuff to expand it.

And taking people off those teams making those assets just to redo this doesn't seem like an effective use of development time.

[coral folio]

i would beg to differ as cosmetics are a huge stream of income for the game, you're simply wrong and i feel like you're pushing an agenda of your own lol

[gritty ivy]

I will always advocate for fashion frame but I'm also going to temper my expectations and requests to be reasonable

[gritty ivy]

They aren't going to make more money off of founders by making changes to the armor

[coral folio]

nothing about this request is unreasonable though

[gritty ivy]

That's a non issue.

[gritty ivy]

If you've never seen how a game gets made I can imagine how you would think that

[vapid magnet]

I personally didn't see anyone talking about being against additions to design choice. No one's asking to change what already is in game, just to have more options, that's a bit of a strawman. I honestly think just because they already made one type of effort doesn't prevent them to keep adjusting to paying customers' feedback. That's simply not how it works in general. And DE is very known to listen to feedback, so here we are trying to enact positive change

[gritty ivy]

People have said that they don't want DE to just change the armor and instead add a toggle

Which is exactly what I said

[vapid magnet]

They have done similar things in the past countless times with Warframe, and i bet my money (literally cuz I'm a paragon too) they're gonna do it in this game as well. If not now, in the future for sure.

[vapid magnet]

That's my preference as well

more choices, as we keep saying, no arguments on changing anything, just adding more options.

[coral folio]

it's just awfully coincidental that any threads that suggest anything about gender expression blow up like this, crazy world we live in lol. this is such a nonissue idk why having more creative freedom to customize a character is such a hot topic

[keen meadow]

Hello, first of all I would like to say that I loved the design of all the packs, I would like to buy them but since my character is male and I cannot change his gender in the game, the perception I have is that I would be investing my money in items that would not be useful to me.

My suggestion would be to add a male variation for the armor or allow changing the character's gender in the game.

[gritty ivy]

Hush up around me about gender expression.

Do not quote the Old Words to me, witch, I was there when they were written and I abhor that you would try to weaponize that against me like I'm against gender expression or avoiding dysphoria.

[vapid magnet]

In my opinion it only adds to frerdom on gender expression. Less choices = less freedom

[foggy sand]

OK maybe I've been too subtle

This argument is over

Please move on

[vapid magnet]

Yes sir!

oops

[gritty ivy]

Gross? Wtf

Oh ic

Okay that's fine

[vapid magnet]

Sorry my bad, bad timing

[gritty ivy]

All good ❤️ no harm meant no offense taken

[vapid magnet]

All love

[gritty ivy]

Why would you delete the one responding to him ;-; now it looks like im okay with it

Buddy nooooo

[vapid magnet]

Hahahah i keep making it worse noooo

My dyslexic ass

[gritty ivy]

Anyways, let's let some other people leverage their opinions.

[wicked spruce]

In addition to that I will try my best to illustrate what I mean with the armor shape when I will be back on PC with working tablet, hopefully this will get better idea than words that can be taken out of context (or add other context).

[foggy sand]

@coarse igloo your message was deleted as one of your points was not constructive and would only serve to reignite tempers, please keep the focus on feedback and not on fellow Envoys' behaviour. AKA don't backseat moderate that's what we're here for

[wind fossil]

+1

[frozen mist]

+1

[coarse igloo]

@foggy sand
Even tho i simply stated obvious facts and used a purely hypothetical comparison to a disgusting opinion that has been said, I totally agree with the deletion of my message which was only partly regarding that topic.
My sincerest apologies for losing sight of the original feedback.
(I just cannot stand certain expressions and tried my best to put an end to it - which is not whithin the area of my competence and I am sorry for that)

[vale glacier]

+1 no moobs

[mild edge]

+1 for sure

[whole granite]

+1, the green set shouldn't have the cute belly button and booty shorts, and tethren looks like an ancient fertility statue

[thin sky]

+1 what a scary journey this feedback thread was lol Tethren cuirass could use some work for male frames in my opinion.

[whole granite]

I can't say for sure that it is worth the development time for them, but I am not buying it because there isn't one set that reads masculine to me. So if they do have masc versions of these sets i will spend the $100, if not I won't. Will there be enough like me to offset the development costs? I don't know, but I'm sure I'm not alone.

[eager sinew]

Im in the same boat, I am not buying anything until I see how they sort this out.

[vocal abyss]

+1. tethren looks absolutely off, sirin looks alright, and oscelda looks a bit funky. oscelda can be explained, it looks very androgynous and reminds me of elves from tolkien

still absolutely agree that this needs to be looked at again

[sudden depot]

All 3 founder armours look really bad on male characters..

[low magnet]

Batman01

[late condor]

+1

[devout rover]

+1 just add the skirt to the oscelda one ;;;; so sad about that one

[timid heath]

I think that would look really good

[mint ibex]

+1... facts im not tryna wear a bra... so im just never wearing that armor if they keep it as is

[patent ridge]

+1 player expression and choice matters, flattened out boob plates is certainly a cooked choice.

[timid heath]

Contrary, I really like the Tetheren male one the most, it reminds me of old Greek military esc breast plate but the pants not really my style

The pants just make it look really really goofy

[chrome fossil]

Same they have to fix it so both look good

[mint ibex]

yeah im wearing Joselfar's armor with Galene's helmet

[timid heath]

Ooo that combo sounds badass

[mint ibex]

it is, Galene's helmet looks way better

[timid heath]

10/10

[timid heath]

I think the proportions are off on the new armor though for the male models now looking at it

[ivory basin]

Going to +1 this. I bought it to support but the tetheren armor does look off on the male models. Idk if it’s the proportions are off on the male models or what, it just looks off.

[timid heath]

like it has the potential to look really good its like the arms are wonky and almost as if its sized up in odd spots

[gritty dock]

Yea they all give transgender vibe, only blue armor is normal looking...but i dont like the hair on top of this helmets

[timid heath]

what does that even mean...lmao?

[wicked spruce]

Thats weird to say the least.

[timid heath]

Its giving female armour was the base inspiration and the male armour was an afterthought (common in mmos) nothing more nothing less.

[wicked spruce]

Masc armor looks at best androgynous, at worst - like an afterthought without changing the shape of chest (excluding flattening,but nothing else was done with the overall shape of metal on chest which is the main problem).

[timid heath]

exactly!

[shell orchid]

+1 lots of other armors are great, beautiful looking. These few, especially Occelda on masculine, feel/look like the masculine versions were rushed out.

[solemn gyro]

+1

[jolly bronze]

+1

[lost gazelle]

+1

[uncut silo]

+1

Will likely buy nonetheless but holding off on spending 100€ until I see these armors getting attention and getting fixed. Sirin is fine, others not so much.

[mint ibex]

well yah Sirin would be fine for you if you're male since Joselfars a male.. but the others are female and wear a bra...

[wind fossil]

+1

[unique depot]

+1

[molten trellis]

+1

[wicked spruce]

✨ Here are the overpaint ideas on the Oscelda and Tethren ✨

I think chestplate going a little higher towards neck, and visible line under pectorals should do the trick - the problem with those armors are not the clothes or lack of a "gladiator like sculpted metal" on top - it's the general shapes of pectorals that were not changed for masculine models. With Oscelda it could be pushed even more as this one suffers the most, but I just wanted to show how even a smallest change could do the trick and change the vibe.

TL;DR - more rectangular on chest and we are gucci, I am aware it's not perfect and it's not resolving more issues with the armor (like the lack of material on Oscelda legs, not shown here), but I'm not aiming for perfect representation and I'm not feeling competent doing more than this. It's a little pointer for people working with assets in game, hopefully devs will look into it.

[mint ibex]

naaah still looks like a bra

[wicked spruce]

I'm not going to make drastic changes (one, it's hard, two, it's not the point to make it perfect), it's simply the smallest pointer how to make it look more masculine with least work possible for people working with these assets in game.

[mint ibex]

yeah Im aware of that... but its fine im just not gonna wear the tops

[wicked spruce]

Well, let's hope this will grab the attention of devs then and they will at least reconsider doing changes on those models, bigger or smaller ones!

[mint ibex]

hopefully they care enough to

[eager sinew]

thats already way better and yes, still very far from "good" imo but its not your job to fix this. Thank you for making these, its a good representation of the problem I think!

[timid heath]

💯

[true urchin]

+1

I really dislike the oscelda armor for the male variant. I hope all the male variants get adjustments to make them more masculine.

[inland oracle]

+1 I really wish the armors were more unique to the body styles.

[wicked spruce]

Masculine founder armor in need of visual rework

[elder ridge]

+1

[brazen prairie]

+1
Regardless of how to change them, changes ARE needed imo

[loud mason]

Hi Envoys! A heads up about the visuals of the Wylds armour male variants:

• Wyld Tethren’s male torso will soon be updated to appear thicker in the torso and chest.
• The male variant of Wyld Oscelda will also soon have a flatter and leaner torso, and his robes flowing to better match his warlocky ways.

Thank you for your patience and feedback while we iterate!

[brazen prairie]

Thank you Sarah and team!!!

[wicked spruce]

I am so happy to see that, thank you so much Sarah! 💜

[sharp geyser]

Nice!

[autumn comet]

winning!

[brazen prairie]

Here's hoping W.Oscelda armor will also get a.. "crotch boost" since it's weirdly non-existent lol

[mint ibex]

yessssss we got our wishes i love this game

now i feel so much better abt getting the paragon pack

[stable briar]

Thank you Sarah and the team!

[eager sinew]

Thank you!!!!!

[thin sky]

Stoked! What a solid studio.

[vapid magnet]

DE never disappoints considering feedback, thanks Sarah!

And team !

[chrome fossil]

Let’s go

[sterile hazel]

+1

[remote fable]

Please do not ping staff. You can respond to the message directly but if over an hour has passed, please refrain from doing so.

The team is working on a hotfix for the issue.

[hoary pond]

Please 🙏

[scenic nova]

Could we get calrification on what is being worked on? Bra part of male variants is not only out of place, its also it's ridiculously ugly. Would you kindly clarify if male variants will get appropriate unique variants, or do you plan to just adjust proportions?

[high igloo]

Will the pants for oscelda be changed at all? They are currently leggings under shorter shorts

[mint ibex]

im sure it will all be looked at, let them cook

[high igloo]

I hope so 🙏

[eager sinew]

I think them taking the feedback seriously, giving us a heads up, and doing it this fast (considering how many bugs they are fixing at the moment), is a great sign. Lets wait and hope for the best!

[gritty dock]

I did eddit to look more like for the male body type...

[timid heath]

The fact that there has already been a response makes me love DE even more.

[true urchin]

This is why I’m so optimistic for this game. The openness to feedback and constant communication is top tier!

[timid heath]

Like I’ve not been this impressed with developer-player communication in a long long time

[high igloo]

That oscelda change looks great!!!

[gritty dock]

TNX!

[gritty dock]

What did they say?

[timid heath]

This ^

[rigid lark]

even "fixed" Tethren looks so silly with that bulky body with twig arms

[whole granite]

we shouldn't have had to ask though. this feels like big corporate trying to get away with spending as few resources as possible hoping we don't make a fuss. I've lost a lot of faith from this and the change to the merchandise (they said it was included at first then changed the wording)

[gritty dock]

Nicee

[whole granite]

I'm just tired of gaming companies testing the waters to see how much they can save before the fanbase complains

[gritty dock]

I hope they fix all 3 armor sets and improve for male body...not just 1

[scenic nova]

+1

[shell orchid]

DE tests the waters with lots of stuff. Not all of the stuff they throw at the wall sticks sure...

...but they hear us and respond in kind. If the community that is their customer base raises a fuss about something, changes are made. Often this occurs with fair rapidity.

I do not think you or any of us would rather they were some faceless incommunicative entity that only released things that were homogenized into bland boring commonality.

[whole granite]

You know that I wasn't talking about creative decisions, I mean company policy and monetization

[shell orchid]

Those too. They tested several monetization methods that they backed out of during earlier preludes.

One example was bestitching per-change. Instead of the current model where it costs one Moon Steel thread to ensure you can wear that piece over anything from then on.

They didn't used to have a 100% no AI policy, then AI got wide spread and problematic for artists, who they consistently support and promote. Once they recognized that they added the "No AI ever." rules to all their stuff.

[foggy sand]

Just for the record "No AI in the fanart channel" has been policy since the start it was just in a pinned post before. The addition to the server rules was more for clarity

[brazen prairie]

I get your concern but this IS a pre-alpha, its meant to be water-testing that every parts of the game will be changed, especially monetization

They have done the same for Warframe (and it was for the better)

I personally dont have any issue with the Founders pack in terms of monetization, but rather the visuals

[gloomy flint]

here are all 3 of the wyld sets with their base palettes and matching pact arm on the fem envoy, for anyone who wants to compare them to the masc envoy

[brazen prairie]

Bigger difference is indeed needed

[wicked spruce]

Thank you very much for taking your time and providing screenshots for comparison!
I had a suspicion that masculine armor was not changed at all (excluding the curvature on chest - masculine ones were simply flattened) and these pictures only show that my suspicion was right.

[autumn comet]

thanks!

wow the train on wyld oscelda was literally just a separate layer that they just removed for the male envoy

[bleak pawn]

+1

[foggy sand]

Here are some comparison shots!

[wicked spruce]

Thank you for posting! My screenshots attached in the first post were not ideal

[dim pulsar]

1: Let us choose between armor variant regardless of body type picked
2: The green one needs either pecs like roman armor or just a flat plate. The red one looks way too large size, reminds me of khora deluxe ingame vs concept art. If you want to include large sized people, then add body sliders and make armor scale with it. Btw, you should do that anyway.

[devout verge]

With the better [coloring here](#1443095754293117048 message) I honestly see nothing wrong with the Green armor, Other then the legs & the Cloth hanging around the Pecs. But Legs & Cloth are a opinion issue. While I personally feel that Tethren is a armor supposed to emulate or Show a Larger person. Similar to How Smoug was in Dark souls. Making it make sense even on a male armor that the Chest is larger from fat buildup. Sure the Green legs look off to me but there are real life depictions such as Aquaman's pants in one of the latest movies.

Not to mention these feel like Decorative or Cerimonial armor, not made for real battle. instead to be shown off, or to Depict and honor someone else. So I honestly have no problem with the armors themselves.

Instead my only problem is that The Male counterpart isn't shown in the InGame Store. as such the differences can not be seen, therefore can't be known about. So the decision to buy one of the founders for the armor is based on the Female skin. Which a person may not play as. creating a Disconnect they may not like.

[whole granite]

Testing the waters should not include things like including merch in the paragon pack advertisement then changing the wording and including "male" versions of clearly feminine armor sets that took maybe 30 minutes to alter by just going from a C to an A cup and charging $100 for it. I found it dishonest and am very turned off by it. Maybe I expect too much, correct me if I'm wrong. These armor sets were not going to change if we as consumers didn't stand up for ourselves.

Apologies to the designers and artists as you're doing a fantastic job making an amazing game. I just don't like the decisions by those in charge of marketing and resource allocation etc

[gaunt flint]

Yeah i got the Wyld Oscelda, and couldnt be bothered to use it, went back to the starting armor

[limpid seal]

+1

[sly geode]

Tbh we need male armour variants for effeminate dudes. Fits.

[rustic dome]

I dont get it, so in the game you can only be a girl? Whats the incentive to buy it then

[drifting dove]

+1

[gritty ivy]

this

even the changes they said theyd be doing are so minimal and i love them for that. theyre sticking to their guns

[sly geode]

Its just 3 wyld pacts besides. Im sure others will fit other niches better. Id imagine Wyld Bromius would be fairly masculine

[drifting dove]

no we can choose gender but most of the armor has female features

[sly geode]

Sirin is fairly male just light whispy armour

Tethren (so mora... who is a lady) and Oscelda (the other goddess) kinda make sense to have features calling back to the goddesses

[drifting dove]

but see were using their armor,

so why cant it be distinguished between the gender you choose at the start of the game

[sly geode]

It... can. They are a lot more feminine on ladies

[drifting dove]

oof

[sly geode]

Though Oscelda is so tight around the groin I wonder if Envoy is a eunuch

[drifting dove]

lmao

[sly geode]

Sirens fine. Tethren is fine. The booba does just look funny on a male model

[rustic dome]

idk guys, i love warframe but this game seems for girls. I wanna try it but everything looks so femenine

[gritty ivy]

i mean we get armor in zelda that makes you dress like a female middle eastern dancer and i see people using that shit unironically so

i completely agree that we need some femboi aesthetic armor too

it just probably rubbed people the wrong way that the first 3 that came out kinda give fem

[woeful ravine]

Doesnt it seem kinda reductive to frame it that way, i mean they are fem but in all reality i think most people think they just look outright ugly, i have genuinely never seen a game give an armor set moobs and dont get me wrong i like tethrins armor for the most part, but seems a big part of it is just failure in giving the armors an appeal

I paid 100 clams to have moobs :(

[gritty ivy]

I think you're assuming most people are gonna feel the same way you do, i dont think thats a fair assessment

its been about equal "why dont i get my fem cape on oscelda" and "why do i have man boobs"

i just think that they made an armor set that you didnt end up liking and because you paid money for it, you want it changed

and thats fine, but not everyone feels the same way.

[rustic dome]

Its a fact that armors are femenine

[gritty ivy]

some even advocated for a toggle so they can go full fem on their male body types

so

[rustic dome]

and I dont think that more than 5% of men like fem armor in men

[woeful ravine]

Nah not at all man cool it

[gritty ivy]

its a fact that you VEIW them as feminine, and that thats a BAD thing to you

[woeful ravine]

So

[rustic dome]

of course, if its for a man it needs to be manly. its common sense

[gritty ivy]

thats some toxic masculinity lol

[rustic dome]

wow are you from canada?

[gritty ivy]

"it needs to be manly" explain that

[rustic dome]

Men like manly things, thats the way it is

[woeful ravine]

Its cool to be a manly man!

[gritty ivy]

what makes something manly? a 6 pack and no boobs? let me direct you to female body builders

we dont enforce gender roles in this discord

[rustic dome]

Do you know what are masculine traits?

[woeful ravine]

🤨

[gritty ivy]

i mean if you wanna get the thread locked for going into that, sure

[bronze umbra]

...some men like girly things

i do

[gritty ivy]

but the devs have been very clear that they support all people

[rustic dome]

Thats a small percentage

[gritty ivy]

including people who rightfully see gender norms as bull

❤️

so no, i dont think we're enforcing them ingame

[bronze umbra]

so our views and opinions are worth less, or aren't valid?

[rustic dome]

ok... thats not my point. My only point is that usually the most common things is for men to like manly things and for girls to like femenine things

[rustic dome]

What? XD. I havent even said that

[woeful ravine]

This seems to be gettin outta hand, realistically the moobs just look ugly

[gritty ivy]

you should read about societal conditioning, thats not inherent to gender at all

anyways, sauce is right

[bronze umbra]

then why does us being a small percentage matter?

[gritty ivy]

and i tried to hint at this earlier saying the thread would get shut down

ANYWAYS

[rustic dome]

Social conditioning Xd. I can bet you live in europe, us or canada

[woeful ravine]

Because devs at the end of the day want there game to succeed so ofc theyre gonna listen to majority rule

[gritty ivy]

places that arent third world and have an understanding of gender, yes

[woeful ravine]

Thats how you sell a game

[gritty ivy]

❤️

again, ANYWAYS

[rustic dome]

Undestanding of gender. I bet your most difficult problem is thinking about rent

Whats wrong for guys to like guys things?

[gritty ivy]

alright @remote fable ive hinted multiple times, sort it out

[rustic dome]

Here in third world countries we are to busy to think for "genders"

anyways thats not my point. I want manly armors to be an option

if your character is male and you want female armor thats fine

but they should give you an option to choose your set of choice

[gritty ivy]

thank you for dropping it the second i ping a mod, very big of you to wait until that second

anyways, a toggle is fine

[bronze umbra]

love me a toggle

clicky switches are fun

[rustic dome]

because when you usually make a product, it must appeal to your market, which are usually the most common people out there (in case of videosgames its men). But I do agree they should give different armors sets for everyone

[gritty ivy]

that mentality is why game studios are failing

there is such a thing as a target audience

[rustic dome]

nope, only woke games die

[gritty ivy]

LOL

if you say anything about woke anything you have to say about games means nothing

oop

[rustic dome]

I can give you a lot of examples

warframe for example

is not woke, it has some inclusive aspects, sure. But the game is thriving

Not like concord

[sly geode]

I just want my medieval European themed armours. The one we got right now doesn't scratch my itch but its good to get a taste of all the flavors they have in the game for eras and factions. Wyld is very... odd. Mendicant era very medieval, kok is very bronze age etc

[rustic dome]

i agree with this

i would like a crusader armor

[woeful ravine]

Real

[sly geode]

Theyre laying the groundwork for how different armours and stuff will look

[rustic dome]

Have they shown any art progress?

[sly geode]

No idea. But we can tell just by looking

I like mendicant stuff a lot very european

Bronze age stuff looks interesting but never really been my vibe

[rustic dome]

I think the 3 helmets from the founder are cool

[sly geode]

Wyld seems to be made by Empress so far and its funny if she just points at Envoy "Femboy."

[rustic dome]

we just need manly armor and different sets from medieval times

[sly geode]

European medieval armour isnt really manly its just armour.

[rustic dome]

true

[sly geode]

Shouldn't even have different looks for gender

[woeful ravine]

Its crazy that, in a server that if enough people think something should be changed about a game, its wrong to say that a game should listen to majority rule fr 💀

[rustic dome]

but only men wore armor but they could give a female set anyways

[rustic dome]

look dark and darker

[sly geode]

Well obviously they get armour. Just look the same visually

[rustic dome]

You should read about it

[sly geode]

I want my ladies in full plate baby

[rustic dome]

xd Thats cool

[gritty ivy]

Facts, make armor armor and if it's feminine let people complain about it and be forced to use a set that matches their aesthetic. Easier on dev time, obviously

[sly geode]

I know what I like. And its ladies covered in full plate.

[gritty ivy]

Jokes aside, just make it a toggle so everyone who thinks that being in any way effeminate makes them not a man can stop complaining

[sly geode]

Mostly mean it for armoury armor like a full plate. Its gender neutral its just designed for you not to die

[woeful ravine]

Honestly i like the style of the armors, just think its done in a weird way and could use a redesign or a toggle really dont matter

[gritty ivy]

No I get you but armor has historically had shape language designed to fit women's body type more

Boob plate isn't a thing but female armor to some degree is

[rustic dome]

Thats not what I said. Do you know that guys like guys things¡

[rustic dome]

What? Xd

[gritty ivy]

Did you know that there's no "guys things" and only things that individual guys like?

[sly geode]

I also hate boob armour from a practical pov because the tip in between is a weak point and the orbs just deflect and funnel strikes into the middle. Horrid armor design.

[rustic dome]

Ok im done reading this. Too much brainrot. Bye

[dim pulsar]

Thats just wrong

[gritty ivy]

Facts

[rustic dome]

She is living in another reality

[gritty ivy]

It's not though. Do you think armorers don't account for hips or something?

Or the variable size of chest versus waist?

[rustic dome]

Women didnt wore armor

[gritty ivy]

Of course they do, it's just not noticable

[sly geode]

I mean shes not... wrong? All plate armour was custom tailored per owner.

Meaning if a woman had plate armour itd be custom tailored to her.

You want plate to fit you well

[gritty ivy]

Nobody asked you, AI slop

[woeful ravine]

Cry bout it fr

[gritty ivy]

Factually incorrect?

[dim pulsar]

historically women didnt fight. And the few that did were the exception not the rule

[woeful ravine]

Joan of arc defo did lol

[rustic dome]

Thats not true. Not all soldiers wore tailored armor

[sly geode]

Women (generally) didnt wear armour.

[rustic dome]

exactly

[gritty ivy]

Normal soldiers also didn't wear plate

Lol

[sly geode]

If you are affording full plate.

You arent an average soldier mate...

Youre nobility or highly, HIGHLY paid

[rustic dome]

well you have a point there

[gritty ivy]

Tell me you know nothing but what you read online about history

Oop

[timid heath]

I think that wanting normal typical looking badass armour shouldnt be shamed idk what you are waffling about

[sly geode]

Wanting bad arse armour is normal yeh

[dim pulsar]

We arent normal soldiers though and neither are the idols

[rustic dome]

Where have you seen girls in wars historically?

[sly geode]

She's talking about tailoring plate im sure

[dim pulsar]

And even if the armor is meant to look feminine or have a hint if it on the male version, it does a bad job at it and just looks weird and wrong

[rustic dome]

sure but in those times girls didnt went to war

[sly geode]

Which yeah plate was almost always custom made per owner

[rustic dome]

And still its like a rule and thats fine. They are worth to be defended

[sly geode]

I think the point is if they did, the armor would be tailored. Because thats the norm.

[rustic dome]

I only want a cool ass armor

like the ones from elden ring

[sly geode]

Ice cheeks armour

Your wish is granted

[heavy bane]

Out of curiousity, if you're not busy enough that you have time to play soulframe and discuss gender politics in discord, how are you too busy to think about genders

[sly geode]

We will get tons of armour im sure. So far everything seems to be setting up themes for how equipment looks based on origins.

[timid heath]

There wasnt a huge variety in designs and I for one think if you are paying money for something it should be something the majority are happy about and from what i've seen a lot of people were let down by the male versions therefore an edit sounds reasonable. That is just my take on the matter, plus they alread stated they would be fixing this.

[rustic dome]

I just came back from work. I wanted to play soulframe because the helmets look cool and I love warframe but i found out it looks femenine and now I am here. Hello

[dim pulsar]

Where did they state this?

[rustic dome]

good to know. ty

[timid heath]

let me scroll up

[dim pulsar]

Want to see what exactly they said

[timid heath]

DE sarah said so

[dim pulsar]

On this thread?

[timid heath]

yes yes

[heavy bane]

Have a similar weekly schedule recently while living in a first world country besides disliking femininity, just confused on the difference

[dim pulsar]

Ah ok lets see if i can find it

[sly geode]

I generally dont like the visual theme for wyld gear at all. Neither armour nor weapons so its fine. Transmog exists.

[dim pulsar]

At least theres a filter function

[timid heath]

This

[rustic dome]

I dont dislike feminity. Being femenine its fine and if its for women its great. I just want manly armor, is that any sort of way offensive?

[heavy bane]

Not particularly no, why the third world vs first world thing thing

[sly geode]

Im 1^4th world

[timid heath]

so chances are they will be making more edits based on how the community feels

[rustic dome]

Because I am locked stunned why people care so much about it when theres so many more important things to do. Here we are worried about our government, living paycheck to paycheck with fear of going out because we can get robbed. I just find it absurd that gender is a problem in countries which usually have the most comfy and protected lifestyle

and also more opportunities, better education, better health care, etc

[sly geode]

Damn move out from Florida man

[rustic dome]

I live in peru

xd

[sly geode]

Oh my guess was Florida or California

[rustic dome]

You should come here to live hardcore

Im from lima actually

We had like 6 presidents in 3 years

that was a fun time

[dim pulsar]

So tethren and oscelda are getting fixed, thats good.

[timid heath]

Yeah which is promising for other changes

[sly geode]

We need bigger booty on tethren male model to assert dominance imho

[dim pulsar]

I hope oscelda gets pecs and abs or something instread of just a flat plate but ill take either

[heavy bane]

Ember prime deluxe type

[sly geode]

Sounds very Greek which im not sure would mean more or less femboy

[timid heath]

I for one have nothing wrong with people wanting feminine gear on their male characters, I for one am not one of them and simply "just dont use it" isnt fair to how many people were underwealmed by something that should be the equivalent to warframes founders

[dim pulsar]

Or roman

[sly geode]

Which they probably took off the greeks

[rustic dome]

I do agree there should be something more exclusive

[sly geode]

Rome really was the British museum of its era

[dim pulsar]

Roman empire was an effort to rebuild the greek empire anyway so yeah probably

[timid heath]

See I want them to keep some of the peck ish on tetheren because greek style gear is badass but they have to do it right

[woeful ravine]

Real asf

[sly geode]

Give oscelda a codpiece for historical reasons yes

[devout verge]

Smougs armor from darksouls have what you call "moobs". Ppl loved to invade using it.

I bet if i spend some time researching it i can find more.

Thought you might wanna know a armor with moobs

[dim pulsar]

They should just let you pick armor variant

[sly geode]

The codpiece game they had on Armour will never stop being funny to me

[dim pulsar]

Independent of character

[heavy bane]

Make every armor have huge layers of padding for historical accuracy, kinda like tethren lol

[rustic dome]

exactly

[woeful ravine]

Lmao yeah ig it does

[dim pulsar]

Even monster hunter lets you do it now.

[sly geode]

Smoug EARNED those moobs

[dim pulsar]

Double the grind though

[timid heath]

See I actually like tethren until I look at the side view LOL

[devout verge]

I think the biggest issue with these skins is that unlike warframe we cannot view them on our character model before buying. Only 1 is shown. As such there feels like a dissapointment when many features of the original person they depict remains on the armor when the opposite wears it.

By having both male and female shown wearing the armor in the store players can make a more informed decision. And only the people who liked the armor will buy it. Making many here who dislike it after buying stop complaining. because they wouldnt have bought it in the first place. Since everyone knows that not every armor, every fashion, every skin or cosmetic on the game is for everyone. Much like i find most warframe to be ugly af, even many skins, others do like those skins. Ill style them to be more appealing to my taste. But i won't use them for their looks. And i won't buy the skins i don't like.

But many feel cheated because only 1 model per skin is shown. When we have 2 physical models for our character. Which when the other is shown creates a disconnect from what they expect and what they got.

The fixes would be

• allow players to refund and take the rewards from them if they do. If people have used their moons and cannot have it refunded only a partial refund should be done.
• show the skins for the player model in the store. If not possible show both models.

So that players can make a informed decision. If they want to support the game and not use the armor because they don't like them they can do so.

But do not change the models as they depict historical people in the fantasy world we play in. Much like how the warframes ||depict... Spoilers.|| It is a tool the devs use to help fill the worlds history. No matter how ugly they may be.

[sly geode]

Yeah not being able to preview isnt a big deal rn I think since people paid to support DE id think

Im sure in future itll be a thing you can preview because that just makes sense

But not really a feature you need rn considering the other stuffs in progress

Like would we be happy if DE was working on making 👌 super polished cash shop during pre alpha while other stuff is clearly not done lol

[devout verge]

I agree. Preview it on your model is a bit much to ask rn. But having both models shown wearing the armor is something i think we should have.

Since you cannot select the specific look you want.

Because if they don't its like the saying we have here which loosely translates to "buying the pig in the sack". Meaning that you need to see the content or youll get tricked.

Should also be fairly easy to add the other model skin. Comparatively to making character previews.

[drifting dove]

whats overpaint?

[devout verge]

Ive referenced smoug from Dark souls twice so far. Im going to do it again. Much like how smoug was a fat dude so to is tethren. So the armor they wore doesn't match the size of our models. Be it male or female. So forcing the armors to conform like you did in your images makes it stand out worse and uglier.

because it no longer depicts who tethren were in the past, and adds fat folds which makes little sense on the skinny model. Much like how smoug armor looks the same no matter who wears it in Dark souls.

However. I do like what you did with the cloth on the other armor. While the breasts area looks only to be widened. Which im not a fan of. Reminds me of one ugly batman armor which made batman look like he had breasts. I know they are pecs but the size of them was unappealing.

And lastly the development studio making this game is probably one of the more woke companies on the planet. Using "woke" as you did here will most likely get them to ignore your comment. warframe is extremely successful. some of it can be attributed to the woke things it has done over the years. Such as depicting harrow as autistic in the story. Or the relationships you can develop. So stop bringing it into these discussions. As it is irrelevant.

[sly geode]

We do need some femboy armour variants tbf

[delicate shard]

yesss

[delicate shard]

yeah fr like the sanctum is literally two giant statues dedicated to gay

tbh when I saw the founders packs I thought the game would be literally like warframe where you only get to play as the gender of the frame. Like no customization apart from colors.

It’s nice that they’re giving people options. I’m sure they’ll figure it out.

I hope they keep some distinct features like I like that tethren is more masc and fat and sirin is more enby and twinkish and oscelda is more fem and form fit.

Like idk I don’t want the male versions to erase the individuality of each frame just bc it needs to be “masculine”.

To me the appeal is partially that they are all different from one another.

[rose carbon]

+1

wish i could change the body type of my character to be able to apreciate it fully

[devout verge]

For anyone that might have missed that the devs replied, Like I did miss it. #1443095754293117048 message Follow this link to see it. screenshot for those who don't wanna scroll.

Edit: It is highly likely they will make the the changes and want another thread regarding it.

[fickle pivot]

Did.. you say the armors look gay?

[distant flume]

This is a misconception, gamers are mostly mixed. Relatively evenly from my understanding

[bronze umbra]

this thread brought out some unfortunate colors

[wicked spruce]

This thread derailed again. At this point we should just wait and see how masc variants of armor will look after changes, that's it.

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[deft island]

doesnt really matter tbh as armor can be reforged to fit its wearer like all armor can

especially since lore wise we have forges and the means to melt metal . ,.

[gritty dock]

Is this looks manly to you?

[fickle pivot]

Are you saying "gay" isnt "manly"?

[gritty dock]

I would rather use King armor set that is free then this

[gritty dock]

Maybe to you it is...ans also im think they look like gey armor not gay

[foggy sand]

Please keep our rules in mind Envoys, providing your feedback on cosmetics is welcome, implying cosmetics look "transgender" or "gay" as a negative is not

[devout verge]

The 2nd image you used is from this post. #1443095754293117048 message Which conviently is the Female Bodytype. As said by the Author "...matching pact arm on the fem envoy"

Can we please have a Mod close this post, Sharing the image of the Dev's reply. as The OP has requested we stop devolving the discussion But also said that changes are coming. So that once the changes are in we can have a New Thread and new discussion about it?

[limpid venture]

I don't really see an issue with the thethren one, and if they do a big change with the green one, I think it should have the player be able to choose between either design (for male & female)

Ala bashamo set warframe.

[wicked spruce]

I'd much prefer this thread to be locked for now, yes. There is nothing new to be added at this point, we got the devs reply and now only thing we can do is wait. There are completely separate arguments floating here that were not my issue at all and I don't want to follow them here.