spoiler-chat

[wintry night]

hmmm

"Yes, and only by marriage to Mora can it be so. But let her not see me this way."

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

._. maybe it just same word but difference concept

[quick bobcat]

Fenn's also not entirely sane.

[gentle thistle]

hey guys, is it possible to change your class? or restart your character, im the archer one but not a huge fan

[quick bobcat]

There are no classes. Pacts, weapons, prisms, etc are all just gear that can be swapped out once you've got more.

[final sage]

I do not like the new undercity tiles

The super tall one genuinely makes me log out to get out of the dungeon

[sick jacinth]

How can you get a new weapon, how early?

[agile stream]

A marriage is weirdly defined. Especially when we say all sort of things.

For an example you can say a marriage of fire and steel and it wouldn't be weird in a sentence. Because it technically is used in that conjunction.

But yea. He's pretty whack. I don't think he literally married Mora though he wished he could as implicating several time. He's married to devotion of Mora. Married to his worship of Mora.

[wintry night]

hmmmm

[agile stream]

Bear in mind this is the guy that stole the sword from Kane.

So he's a bit cuck-oo.

[quick bobcat]

You need ot do the Steelsinger fable to unlock the blacksmith. You can get weapons fragments from many places. Some enemies drop them.

[agile stream]

You can do it!

[quick bobcat]

The omen beast fables award you the omen beast pacts to build.

[quick bobcat]

Eh... He's the guy who actually forged the Mora and Sappene swords. Kane just kept refusing to acknowlede they were completed.

[agile stream]

It's possible they worked together moreso than just themselves. But Kane refused to finish it.

Hence "refused to strike them complete.".

In fact the absence of a hilt is huge thing here.

[quick bobcat]

Kane's also why Tuvalkane has such bad self esteme.

[hard kelp]

yup, the imposter syndrome

[quiet junco]

Fenn took the sword to liberate his people, he did nothing wrong

Kane sucks from what we've read about him

[quick bobcat]

Yeah. Kane's basically just got the Moonsteel as his claim to fame. Yes, creating a new alloy is noteworthy. But it seems that he was a real jerk.

[hard kelp]

seems like kane was a very perfectionist person huh

[agile stream]

He is written off as super perfectionist yeah.

Refuses to finish the mora sword because yeah

[quiet junco]

You can also get that vibe from how Tuvalkane acts, always assuming her work will be awful when it's actually great

[quick bobcat]

Also, Kane expected a worthy apprentice to wear the moonsteel helmet.

Which is that Destro looking helmet Tuvakane lugs around.

Kane did such a psych job on Tuvalkane that she's depressed that she doesn't get to wear the ugly heavy metal helmet with the handle and lock on it.

[agile stream]

Technically isn't his head in it?

[quick bobcat]

I don't think so.

I've heard people say that Tuvaklane's ashes are in it.

[lofty maple]

Based on some of Tuvalkane'sl lines and the descriptions in her armor set, I've always assumed the moonsteel helmet was for a higher rank than she reached while alive, which is why she feels unworthy of wearing it

[quick bobcat]

That's besides the point. Kane expecting anyone to wear it is proof he's a jerk.

[lofty maple]

it's mentioned as containing a head in the concept art they showed for the mannequin, on the last devstream - whether that's actually official lore yet is unclear

[little grove]

hey minna logo ?

The symbol or logo on the bed in our mother’s room at the beginning of the game — isn’t it interesting?

[little grove]

It looks like there are two domes there — one is filled downward like an inverted dome, and the other is upright facing upward, just like what we’re seeing here.

[final sage]

3-leaf clover is 4th virtue confirmed? :D

[worldly jewel]

no

[fervent basin]

god imagine if we could have wabbajack in this game

hello ode, now YOU! are the deer

[rain badge]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[sonic sequoia]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440066278336233472 🧀

[bleak sedge]

how to get access to test?

[modest thunder]

#envoy-gathering message

[oblique crystal]

the image of the arm with the lock on the elbow is that a new/proposed class?

[austere robin]

concept art of a future pact yes

ohh you mean in #envoy-creations
that's just an Envoy's idea and design for a pact.
DE might use it for inspiration for any pacts Ingame though

[round mist]

how many frames are out rn? is it just the starter three?

[worldly jewel]

8 + 3 Wylds that are for the time being founders only

[round mist]

yeah im a founder, looking around right now in game, i see the greyed out boxes for frames. arts, sorry

[mystic spire]

Arts is the skilltree
Pacts is the right arm

Arcanics are the abilities

[round mist]

cool. sorry brand new. im very curious about the pacts, none of the starter 3 really get me that interested but i was betting there was more

[mystic spire]

3 starters
3 omen beasts related to quests
2 different ones in the faction stores (1 with kith of kings and one with both alca's and silent rose)

[frank marten]

You yourself are the frame not the pacts.

[frank marten]

^

[austere robin]

"Bear their Soul within your Frame" or something like that

[frank marten]

Exactly

[austere robin]

i, for the life of me, cannot recall if that quote is said in the game or not

i feel like Grandfa says it during the storyboard Juniper cutscenes or in one of the trailers

[frank marten]

It is said somewhere in game im pretty sure. Lemme do some checking.

[modest thunder]

in the warsongs fable, yes

though in context, it's more referring to pacts

[frank marten]

The pacts are the "souls" in the context

You and your base blue arm with no pacts are the frame.

[austere robin]

yep, and the only exception to that quip is Ode Tempest, but that's only because it was made by the Ode to weaponize you until you betrayed them

[echo sail]

Unless we're channeling the 'spirit of ode tempest' or something, yeah.

It seems like our right arm's magic trick is that it's modular and adaptable to most other magicks.

Ode tech is basically magiteck, so it's an option.

[austere robin]

our arm is a biological usb hub

[echo sail]

UMB Hub -- Universal Magic Bus

[austere robin]

-# not to be confused with Sony's defunct UMD

[quiet spindle]

I have a hunch that in the new story we'll find ourselves in the Flying Fortress, where Orenagll finds her daughter and makes a deal with the Synod, after she becomes possessed and a new enemy. This makes sense, since we don't have a possessed wolf yet, but her the concept exist.

I really don't like the possessed stag and bear. They're boring. Need search them, and if you didn't get the Omen Beast armor before, getting it now will be a bit of a hassle. And removing this armor from the other world bosses makes them feel empty and useless.

[rich ingot]

Oh, hey, the new prisms added more lore for the Gods of Alca

[echo sail]

what?

oh in the descriptions on the prisms?

[rich ingot]

Each of the Extreme prisms details a dark deed the Celestial gods did, and the Hybrids detail some info about the children of the Celestials

Saphene's Shadow: Steal the source of Grace from the blue sun, Saphene. Light your own shadow in quiet cunning. A whispered word can rend the world in two. 'Twas such from Saphene's lips that spurred the Fey to Felling.

That's very interesting for the lore implications.

Druid of Iridis: Summon an overgrowth of Spirit from the green moon, Iridis. Give and take life with the fickle frivoloty of the Fey. As Iridis breathed our greatest heroes to life, so too did he birth our most horrid monsters.

Oro is described as "half sybil", and apparently he can see everything.

Paladine is apparently strong of heart. and nonbinary, and that's all the lore we get on them, aside from a mention of being "twice-woven". A shame, expect they have some epic power to shake Alca like their siblings

Verus apparently is a lost son, unknown to his father Iridis. "Born of ice and silence" is an interesting origin too.

Looks like the prisms also confirm Mora and Sapphene as wives, not sisters, so that lends some weight to that lore interpretation.

Ooh, and apparently they had a fight a long, long time ago that rent the planet.

And Iridis is their son, fascinating indeed.

Lots of lore implications to these prisms indeed.

This is a third perspective on Iridis's role in the family iirc

[echo sail]

Mora's Beast:

Tear a mighty Courage from the red sun, Mora.

Bathe in the flames of her rage. The cause of every great war, every tyrant king. A courage gone unchallenged, a beast gone untamed.

[rich ingot]

Definitely shouting out Fenn Jotar at a minimum, and likely the Mendicant King

Possibly also a reference to some of the older conflicts like the Felling

But that's far less clear

[pulsar orchid]

Especially with Fenn seemingly considering himself betrothed to Mora, or perhaps unrequitedly in love with her? A married woman... shameful, Fenn

[patent gazelle]

1 Key please

[pulsar orchid]

Here you go! Watch this when it streams live with a linked account to get a key: https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1469343055785103402

[quick bobcat]

Oro is said to be Iridis's son.

[rich ingot]

They're all the children of Iridis

Paladine, Oro, and Verus

[quick bobcat]

Ah. I must've missed some notes somewhere...

[wintry night]

the game lore seems to be very dark +_+

[rich ingot]

The descriptions of the Hybrid Prisms helped a lot

[rich ingot]

Typical for DE for sure

[quick bobcat]

Maybe I had a UI error when I was looking at them, cause it just showed the stats, no descriptions.

[rich ingot]

Hmm...the wiki has them listed

Wonder if it was displayed in the shop ui or inventory ui

[quick bobcat]

Good question. But once you buy one, it disappears from the shop.

[rich ingot]

Can you check the inventory screen, maybe it has it?

Or do they not appear in the inventory

[quick bobcat]

They didn't appear in inventory screen. I was taking screenshots of everything that has a lore entry. The prisms just have stats.

[rich ingot]

Oh, that's the arsenal screen though right?

[quick bobcat]

Inventory.

[rich ingot]

Huh. Weird it would show stats in that screen but okay

DE do be wild with some of the UI in the game stares at wevetseeds

If Oreo or Drackore pop by maybe we can ask where they found em.

[quick bobcat]

Ok... And now the prisms don't show up in inventory, but do have descriptions in Arsenel.

I'm assuming it was some UI weirdness.

[rich ingot]

Sounds like it

[quick bobcat]

Wevetseeds sometimes show up in inventory. Other times, they don't.

They're classified as a potion, it seems.

[rich ingot]

As a-OH

[quick bobcat]

That might actually explain some of the weirdness involving them overlapping with the deletion of cogah, maybe?

[rich ingot]

That might not be Potion, it might be a broader Consumable tab?

That or they made it a potion so it would act as a consumable under the hood

[quick bobcat]

Maybe. Tab says Elixers. But for most people that's just a fancy term for potion.

[oblique oxide]

Have you read the Warframe lore?

[mystic spire]

space trauma the game

[oblique oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[wintry night]

yes.

[oblique oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-uriel-warframe-uriel-devil-demon-gif-10082586714059961898

RAP TAP TAP

[oblique oxide]

I should read up on the side lore of this game. I've not beaten the bear yet.

I like the premise of the story so far.

[viscid robin]

who wants to 5 stack in my overwatch we need 1 gold player

[wintry night]

"EEK! You sneak! I would have smelt your aura from here were my Sight not drowned in brine. Hmph. I am the Witch Verminia. Enchanté. May you grant us some colour... And learn some taste, besides."
"Never! I cannot possibly spend my afterlife upon such a watery grave. I smell only salt! I taste only grey. Even the deepest and darkest of blues would be better. Bah, but even this I do not want."

So basically, Verminia is drowned (like other witches), so she can only taste salt and ice-cold water in her afterlife state.

[mystic spire]

yeah and the nightfold is full of just that

[wintry night]

yep

[mortal girder]

she is also blind and uses synesthesia to smell colors, which is part of the reason they drowned her iirc

[rich ingot]

Colorblind not fully blind

[mortal girder]

oh i was told she was blind blind lol

[quick bobcat]

The most annoying words in that game.

[quiet spindle]

Its icony!

[eager elm]

In P12 i bestitched Wyld Sirin armor on Medicant armor set, now any armor i equip has Wyld Sirin look, is it normal?

[pulsar orchid]

That's normal, you bestitched the Wyld Sirin look onto your character, so if you want to change that you can simply go change it at verminia

Transmog in soulframe is slot-based not item based, allowing you to keep your preferred appearance separate from your stat-items

It's all explained on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Bestitching page if you want to learn more

[quiet junco]

Bestitching is also loadout dependant so using a different loadout slot will go back to the default look for armor

[sick flame]

Do i need some sort of invitation ?

[worldly jewel]

either an invite via email, or redeem a code at https://soulframe.com/promocodes yes

[quiet junco]

You can check the ways to get access in the pinned message in #envoy-gathering , also there'll be an Envoy Hour stream later today which will give access as a Twitch Drop

Details here: https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1469343055785103402

[viscid root]

BC5E-D999-B42A-DB04

[rich ingot]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVHHOpYDllp/?igsh=NXFnMnV1Y21ybDgw

playsoulframe

One eye for the Gruulseeker,
Four for the Bane.
Two pits for the Reaper,
In dangling chains.

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Carrying this over for some Lore Discussion

Gruulseeker has to be Ruthos right?

Reaper is probably the Boss of the Glades

Bane could be Marrow's Bane but it having what seems like 4 eyes seems...off

Ah, there's an image

Ah, it's referencing the boss concepts

The first must be the Gruulseeker, the second the Bane with 4 eye markings

And the last the Reaper

Wonder if these are meant to be a boss for the upcoming siege

[echo sail]

Sounds like 3 bosses.

Probably related to one-another in some way.

[rich ingot]

Could def see that - maybe with the castles they have several bosses you can tackle in any order as opposed to the sequential bosses of the Fort sieges?

[echo sail]

I'm hoping they add a castle raid or something more akin to a zelda-style dungeon with minibosses and such. Having 3 such bosses in the same castle and having to sort all three of them out would be epic. 😄

But yeah, one per castle is also neat.

The castle on the northeast tip of the island has had a lot of work put into it since the last prelude. It went from hollow shell to very fleshed out on the interior.

They also added statues to the front and back of it.

[rich ingot]

Well, they did already confirm Mirifuir was becoming a Siege iirc

So it's possible these are the bosses for it

And with the Castle being a much larger footprint on the map, it's possible it will be a much larger Siege than the Fort sieges

[echo sail]

The interior, what I can see of it in bird form at least, is freaking huge looking.

Gives me a lot of hope and excitement for something crazy long and epic to fight through.

Might actually need friends for this one.

And I'm OK with that, despite being a solo player.

I'll find someone to run it with me. lol

[rich ingot]

With how far it came this Prelude, kinda hoping for a p14 release, but if not p15 makes sense too

Their focus on Aggressive System Overhauls takes priority in terms of dev time it sounds like.

And while they do seem devoted to adding a new activity with each as well, could imagine an epic siege like that might take a few months to get squared away

[echo sail]

I'd rather them take a bit of extra time polishing the bugs out anyway.

I know we're here to help find those, but still. Something that big needs the spare dev time to find and squash things earlier on. We might be testers, but a lot of players are also just customers now. Can't expect people to not get frustrated and drop the game if it's particularly buggy.

[rich ingot]

Fair, but personally will stick through regardless. Played buggier alphas and betas, always a heckuva lot of fun to find a weird one.

[echo sail]

Oh same here. Even the weird nerfs and changes to mechanics that rub me wrong haven't sent me away yet. I can excuse a lot of things with the "it's still in early development" thing for now.

I really enjoyed finding my way out to the island in earlier preludes. Still like popping out there to take a look at things from an out of bounds perspective sometimes.

-# sure was nice of them to leave a tree on it for us to teleport to. lol

My only concern with a raid being especially buggy is if it stops people from completing it or getting good runs out of it. Finding weird passages in walls or AI being a little buggy is fine.
Like the bird is particularly confused right now in a lot of tiles, but that's OK because it doesn't actually stop anyone from doing things normally, the bird just really likes walls for some reason.

Drop rates being bugged, or bosses not spawning, or mechanics breaking with puzzles, however, would be progression-stopping and very frustrating, so those need to be hammered out as soon as possible.

[indigo bough]

Are any of the methods to get to the last world tree still working? I've tried a few and they all seem to be patched out at this point

[echo sail]

They patched the hole I used back in the day. No idea what people are doing now.
I'll ferry you out there though if you want. My IGN is the same as here: Anova
I'm ingame atm, so add/message me and I'll invite you for the warp. 🙂
Catch me online sometime.

[opaque geyser]

My buddy managed to squeeze out of bounds and walk his way over on Sunday. That's the latest I know of it though.

[quick bobcat]

You can get TPed there via joining someone who's fast traveled there.

[ebon elm]

How do you see your name in the founders garden?

[rich ingot]

Did you plant your flowers yet?

[ebon elm]

How do you do that?

[rich ingot]

Go to the eternium gardens, find an instance with space left, and, if you bought a founders pack, you can find an empty plot and plant there

[ebon elm]

Where is the graden?

[rich ingot]

Go to nightfold and play the music emote

[ebon elm]

I just saw the helmet toggle. I wasted a bestich.

[ebon elm]

I never opened emotes before now. 😭

[rich ingot]

Toggle flips the visor

Doesn't remove helmet

[ebon elm]

Oh

How do I keep track of what garden I planted in?

[austere robin]

there'll be a faint marker in the top left of the icon

[rich ingot]

There will be a little marker in the top of the garden icon for the instance you have flowers in

[ebon elm]

Does it matter what garden I plant in?

[rich ingot]

Not really

[ebon elm]

Do I need to check multiple gardens for a spot?

[modest thunder]

check the end, the ones not completely filled by the indicator have an open spot

[rich ingot]

How full a Garden is is shown by the water level of the icon

[ebon elm]

When do new gradens drop?

[pulsar orchid]

Pretty sure they just open up automatically as previous instances become full

[ebon elm]

There's a spot I want...

[pulsar orchid]

Go grab it!! 🌻

[ebon elm]

I have to wait. It's been taken on all servers. I ran into someone in blue fire king gear checking the same spot.

[ebon elm]

Bro😭

I guess I'm sitting next to him

[pulsar orchid]

It's Mickie's world, we're just living in it

[ebon elm]

Bro thinks he's the hand of destiny 😂

I'll save the other 3 for another day. Planted red in 261

[indigo ember]

silently rages in 40k fan

Him...

[indigo ember]

I may play filthy Xeno, but that face I know well... Erebus you [Censored]!

[round mist]

idk if this is the right channel but...........

[worldly jewel]

we shall see

[round mist]

Basker's Wrest id like to get this puppies and use them with moras hand, is there a way to reforge them to do fire damage and or scale with courage?

i figured the rescalling with courage would be easy enough to do in theory, but changing to fire to benefit better from moras hand style i didnt know.

[worldly jewel]

no way to get them to do fire damage but you can use a Blessed By Mora: Gildaur/Feybalt on them to add courage scaling to them. it won't replace the existing scaling tho

[round mist]

dang there goes my dream of being the true firelord

weird that the fire gaunlets from the fire kings army arent fire though right?

[worldly jewel]

might change eventually but who knows

[pulsar orchid]

I'm assuming it's a bug or not implemented, trying to ask Geoff in the stream right now but it's pretty rare for them to answer every question

[pulsar orchid]

Geoff answered! When asked about damage types like Blunt (Rook) or Flame (not yet implemented but presumably Basker's should be fire, right?), Geoff didn't know all the details but said "there is a pass being done by the design team on this" - so I think that's decent confirmation that it will at least make sense eventually 👍

[crimson ravine]

Does anyone know a good farming method for the parts other than running in circles in Stroaic?

[pulsar orchid]

Running in circles in New Viscii but yeah corrupted plants can be... a bit of a slog, at times

[maiden knot]

As a class change, I unintentionally chose the archer.

[pulsar orchid]

I genuinely had a better time in New Viscii, though, than Stroaic - at least for Synod's Maiden

[worldly jewel]

you can craft all the pacts and weapons eventually

[maiden knot]

😢

[sonic sequoia]

You can gain the other starter Pacts from the Faction (keep playing the tutorial questline and you'll get there), though might need to rank up a couple of times.

Starter Prisms you can get immediately by visiting the other Factions, but you have to stumble upon those (or look them up in Avakot.org).

[crimson ravine]

@Sinecure-Errant Drackore The area is too big for me, too many zigzags and mobs.

@pulsar orchid

[pulsar orchid]

fair, both work!

[maiden knot]

thanks

[round mist]

hey im in a crypt and there seems to be some sort of puzzle in here, i know thats vague
but theres like knights that should be able to move, statues i mean. and theres a room with that button that expends a bridge? i cant figure it out. anyone have a tip?

[sonic sequoia]

Crypt is full of puzzles.
The bridge is from the first room?
In that case the point is to reach the sarcophagus, which sometimes is openable.

This link has the guide for the major puzzles, but don't be afraid to explore, apart from the first room one all the other award some loot.
https://wiki.avakot.org/Festival_of_the_Circade

[round mist]

amazing

total noob question but how can i tell what faction i am?

[worldly jewel]

what did you start out with? courage/spirit/grace?

[sonic sequoia]

You can open the map and see the icon on the enclave.

Starter faction is based on starter Virtue selection:
Courage = Kith of Kings.
Spirit = Alca's Children.
Grace = Silent Rose.

[round mist]

im pretty sure it was spirit, the druid looking one

[worldly jewel]

i mean yeah there's the answer

so yeah alca's children

[round mist]

but i got the founder warrior so ive just been playing that

[worldly jewel]

aka avakot's people

[sonic sequoia]

Starter selection is what is important here, the Founder is just added stuff.

[round mist]

for sure

i just lost my sense of class identity yaknow

[pliant herald]

Is it just me or is the waste bear quest supposed to be an allusion to drug addiction?

[winged sparrow]

more depression than anything, i think, but they overlap a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw4O0z7KnuY

[pliant herald]

Ok I'm looking at the lyrics and I think it's alcoholism

[austere robin]

it is very alcoholism/general substance abuse coded

[winged sparrow]

you're not you when you're hungry

[royal vault]

Is there some secret with this in the Circade crypts? :l

They make bell sound when you shoot 'em

[mystic spire]

There are several in that room and a specific order
Either the wiki or a youtube video will probably be best to see them

[royal vault]

Oh so it is a specific order

Thanks!

[long briar]

It was a community puzzle, so by yourself, you don't have enough information to brute force the solution - you needed information from other players.

Not too long ago the wiki page was linked over here: #spoiler-chat message

[void sparrow]

As it appears to be an Ode’n Spellsong, I’m curious if other creatures will be targeted for specific weaknesses?

[sonic sequoia]

Mendicants were an Alcan problem from before the Ode, the Ode'n Ichor gave them material form so they made them more of a problem.
To me it sounds more like Mendicant coded than Ode'n coded (even an explicit mention of Mendicants).

[pulsar orchid]

I don't think we have any confirmation that they were a problem, so much as they were just spirits that existed. We know that "the ghost of the Wazzard haunted Wevetwood long before the coming of Ode" but what that means has a pretty big range - a few whispers, a chill down the spine? Or killing foragers? Who can say 😅

The corruption though certainly gave them the form that has allowed them to become an actual undead scourge, at least as far as I can tell!

And the Song of Waste is 100% Mendicant not Ode, yes - I can't remember if it's George who said this or just something that came up through dev stuff in general, but it's the voice of that specific Mendicant brand of corruption in Bromius' head, as the allegory for addiction, urging him to fall deeper into it and " 'come Mendicant' "

[viral prism]

Wasn’t the Mendicant King a real person that ruled Curlail at one point? I think Mendicant was just a title for his army and they died but then the ichor brought them back from the dead. We know he fought in the Fonnish charge and if you see where the fonnish foot ruins are on the map I can believe The Mendicant King died on the battlefield were now Stroac lays ( a place erased from history by the leaking fallen skytower ). Even Galvinar wastes is teased to be a big graveyard were a dead army was layed to rest ( correct me if I am wrong )

To me Mendicants are the raised dead army of the Old king of Curlail

Or has that been red conned already…

[rich ingot]

Mendicant is the name of the Corrupted Undead

The King was a real guy, as was his army, but they were not called Mendicant until resurrection as Ichor Zombies

[pulsar orchid]

He was yes! Though at that point I'm not sure if he was yet given the title of 'Mendicant', nor his army, though that might still be open to interpretation

I agree Stroaic is likely the site of his final battle, its history erased by the corruption of the fallen skytower there, and his army laying beneath its soil

Mendicants aren't specifically his army, because the Wazzard of the Wevetwood was also raised as a Mendicant

Nothing has been retconned in all of Soulframe afaik, other than the original concept for Primordial Envoys (though it's not really a retcon since it's just an early concept they were talking about and the game's in alpha)

EDIT: Oh wait Aurora got changed to Alora, still not really a retcon because alpha but yea

[viral prism]

Ohh that makes sense yeah

So the guy who wrote his final battlecry…

He wrote it after he fell and already became Mendicant??

[rich ingot]

They did some soft retcons. Orlick mentions early on some see the Twin Suns as Sisters, and some as Wives, but the prisms kinda weighted that much more heavily to the Wives position

[viral prism]

Don’t forget Almagest…..

[pulsar orchid]

Could it be that the prisms let us know the truth, but that some characters in the world still hold their own interpretations?

[rich ingot]

We don't know who wrote the memory fragments...Perhaps Orlick himself from the glimpses of memory contained within the Histories

[rich ingot]

VERY possible

[pulsar orchid]

Oh man yeah Almagest --> Algamest, I still don't like that change 😭

[rich ingot]

Oh, btw, Drackore

We were checking out the lore pages on the wiki the other day

Why is Oro the only child of Iridis with his own page?

[pulsar orchid]

Oh nooo I'm still in the middle of updating them 🫣

[rich ingot]

That would explain why then

[viral prism]

I thought those history fragments came from books and notes? Cause it mentions a name of someone that wrote the final battlecry of the Mendicant king?

[rich ingot]

Noticed Verus and Paladine were missing and was like "wut O_O"

[rich ingot]

Hmm, that's a good point

[viral prism]

I thought about that immediately like…. Wait I thought they where sisters 😂 😂 😂

[pulsar orchid]

After I make the page for Envoy Customisation (this one's been giving me nightmares), the next thing on my to-do list is taking the lore from each item added in P13 and sprinkling it onto the appropriate pages - I did end up making a page for Algamest since I'd recently made the Mistress of the Thread page, but yes Verus and Paladine are still upcoming, and Oro's page needs updates from Seathorn's lore

[rich ingot]

One sec, gonna check the lore

[rich ingot]

The prisms seem to have confirmed the Truth, while Belief is still up to the individual/Culture

[viral prism]

Verus has two half faces and is an ice goddess?? I think she lives on a remote island away from iridis’ eye

[rich ingot]

Verus is a guy

[viral prism]

Wait a guy?

[rich ingot]

He is not known to Iridis

[maiden knot]

Can someone who has already changed classes guide me?

[viral prism]

Damn I thought a woman

[rich ingot]

And basically lives in a land of frigid ice

[rich ingot]

Define what you mean by Class

[rich ingot]

None of the gods of the Hybrid Prisms are women

[pulsar orchid]

this is the one place his gender was confirmed so dw it's easy to miss!

[rich ingot]

This

[maiden knot]

faction, I want to use a staff, but I accidentally chose the bow.

[viral prism]

Ohhh I get it I misread it I saw babe and thought it was a she mb

[rich ingot]

Silent Rose, your starting faction, can sell you the Starter Staff Gwylen in their shop

Also the Starter Sword, Wulder

Wait, Silent Rose not Children

Fixed

[rich ingot]

Iridis is described as an "ashen babe" in some of the lore, so...yeah definitely just an old timey word for baby

[viral prism]

I am just really exited for all this mythical lore!!

[pulsar orchid]

Oh on the topic of gods, do you know which are gods vs demigods? Oro is confirmed as a demigod in his prism, and Verus confirmed as a demigod in Wazzard's Robes, so I am assuming the same of Paladine, just trying to track down more info but that might be it

[viral prism]

Yeah but I knew iridis was a male before the prisms so

[maiden knot]

@rich ingot thanks

[rich ingot]

Would assume the same?

[pulsar orchid]

agreed 😄

[rich ingot]

Also, what does "twice woven heart" mean

That's been kinda bugging us from Paladine's lore

[viral prism]

Could be that Paladine has a heart made of tree roots and it is woven together?

[rich ingot]

They get so much less description of their abilities than the others, that's the only real hint

[pulsar orchid]

I remember you mentioning this the other day! Yeah it's really interesting, because on surface level you could assume Paladine as simply non-binary, but what if twice-woven means literally two souls, similar to the Circade's three? Maybe they're not enby but a male and female soul sharing a body? All speculative though

[viral prism]

What are their confirmed aspects?
I know Oro is seen as a deity of the sea and I guess Verus is on of ice

[rich ingot]

Lore does say "neither man nor woman", so maybe not that exactly.

[rich ingot]

Nonbinary and strong of heart

If the lore said "both man and woman" could def see a twin soul argument

[viral prism]

Maybe that is their demigodness? Like physically two beings (one of god and one of animal) woven together?

[rich ingot]

The fact this is all we get is what irks us

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah you're right, the wording of 'neither' definitely seems against that

[pulsar orchid]

Oh I like that, god and fauna, could be cool

[rich ingot]

There's a hint of something with those three words

But the rest is just very...basic compared to the others lorewise.

[viral prism]

Maybe could be something related to Neath’uns?

I always felt like Paladine is tree related because of that woven ness and Neath’uns being woven too

But then again there are also the Weavers maybe they are related to them as well?

[rich ingot]

...Oh! Algamest is the Weaver God, yeah?

[viral prism]

Oh wait yeah Algamest

[rich ingot]

Wonder if Paladine is the child of Algamest and Iridis

[viral prism]

Ooooh

But like… who the hell is Algamest then??? Also a primordial god like Mora and Saphene??

[pulsar orchid]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Algamest this is the one I do have a page for! 😂

[rich ingot]

Algamest certainly isn't quite a Celestial, she doesn't fuel magick in herself.

But she's not Fey either, her Web isn't described as pulling from the Virtues, but more as a natural law in and of itself

[viral prism]

Creating the whole weave is tuff ngl

[rich ingot]

She is, perhaps, some other level or type of deity?

[viral prism]

Interesting… just a set constant in the world

[rich ingot]

Her work is at least

It's possible she's an Origin Myth

And as such she herself might have been a mortal long passed who committed a great feat

And was then deified in myth

[viral prism]

It is also interesting that the three children of Iridis are also seen as constellations

[rich ingot]

Wait what?

We must have missed something

There are constellation gods, but they're Ode gods

Like Sidae

[viral prism]

Yeah the constellation Oro was something in the prisms no?

And the wazzard robes says that it is adorned by the stars of Verus’ constellation

[rich ingot]

Oh, yeah, the Constellation Oro

That is...huh.

That actually supports the Ode potentially not being truly alien then

[viral prism]

Maybe Iridis has more children 😂😂😂

[pulsar orchid]

Oro originally struck me as a legendary meteorite, given that Oro's well was created when a beam of light bore down from Iridis - I suppose Oro could be both but yeah

[viral prism]

I mean they have star probe operations and are constantly traveling the universe e

[pulsar orchid]

I think both the Ode and Alcans see meaning in the stars, which makes sense as it's a shared awe across many human civilisations irl too

[rich ingot]

The prisms of the Children of Iridis confirm them all as Constellations

[viral prism]

The light was of Iridis’ rings no? And the Oro cried in the Well to fill it with the water of the Salz

[pulsar orchid]

Ode have Sidae, Culveer, Volhal etc - Alcans have Algamest, Verus, Oro, Paladine

[rich ingot]

"Draw Courage and Spirit both from the constellation Paladine."

"Draw Grace and Courage both from the constellation Verus"

[viral prism]

Maybeeee they are the same thing!!

No because they have other aspects tied to them

One is of natural order and one is for justice

Volhal I don’t know…

[rich ingot]

Also, what exactly is Salz

[rich ingot]

The Forge

[viral prism]

The sea

[rich ingot]

The Ode literally use the star of Volhal as a forge for weapons

[pulsar orchid]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Salz_Sea it's just the sea to the west of Salzberg

[viral prism]

Legit just the sea I believe

[rich ingot]

...OH

[viral prism]

Oh interesting

[rich ingot]

WAIT

Drackore

The Mockery language

[viral prism]

Oh damn?

[rich ingot]

Salz could be one of the words

There was that line, "a journey cross"

With the unknown word

What if it's Salz

[viral prism]

Ohhhh

[pulsar orchid]

I like it! A journey across the Salz yeah

[viral prism]

There is also the Wynd for one of the mountain peaks

[pulsar orchid]

I guess it would be that language/culture's name for Salz, which would be a different name, but would essentially mean the same sea

[rich ingot]

Also, why is the Salz linked to Oro? Just because he wept in the well?

Is the Salz tied to divination somehow

[viral prism]

The barnacles are also believe to be Oro’s eyes

On the new magical staff

What’s its name again?

[rich ingot]

Hmm, so Oro is tied to both Sea and Sky

[rich ingot]

Seathorn

[viral prism]

Oro’s well history says that Oro cried in the well with the water of the Salz or something like that

Now I am doubting if it was actually crying or just filling the well with Salz water

[rich ingot]

...Hmm. Does this perhaps imply Oro is the source of Seawater?

[viral prism]

Imagine when swimming is here and we can swim in the ocean and just see a large statue of Oro on the sea bottom 😂

The source of all ocean water

[rich ingot]

Oh, Oro emerged from the Salz!

And him passing through the well drained his garbs and filled it!

[viral prism]

Ohhhhh

[rich ingot]

"For an era of prosperity, the Fey drew wisdom and wishes from Alca's well. For an era of fervency, they sipped it dry. 'Twas not 'till Oro, son of Iridis came upon it, dripping with the salt of the Eastern seas, did the well fill at last with water. Still, Oro's Well bears the sweetest drink. Imbued as it is with trace of mother's magicks forevermore."

So Oro and the Salz are both tied very closely with Algamest's Weave

[viral prism]

The question is also what is his sibyl part?

Like a kind of sea creature?

[rich ingot]

A sibyl is a seer

Usually a Woman in Norse mythos

[viral prism]

Oh damn nvm then

[rich ingot]

A type of wise witch

But that was the same power Oden stole in his lust for knowledge

Oh, wait, they're Greek

Wtf

Anyways, yeah, seers or oracles

[viral prism]

There is so much loose lore around this. Good luck Drackore for piecing it all together 😂

I was also thinking to just make a spreadsheet and go over all the items again and piece everything together: characters, events, family trees etc

They are just really good at slowly revealing certain stuff

And also having filler stuff that just shows us the way of life in the game lore

Like how the precklies gives us a little children game Dendrit people used to do

I really adore this about the game

[worldly jewel]

definitely gotta read all the notes, location histories and item descriptions again at some point ._.

[viral prism]

Yeah I gotta go everything again too and piece stuff together

Also when Lore chat comes out? 👀

[pulsar orchid]

Hah thanks 😂 I've just created https://wiki.avakot.org/Verus and https://wiki.avakot.org/Paladine if you can think of anything to add to them; I'm now updating https://wiki.avakot.org/Oro with his P13 lore, and I think I need to revisit the well's lore and sprinkle that on his page too

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah that'd be awesome, it's what I'm doing now actually haha so it'd be amazing to have a second set of eyes to doublecheck things 🙏 I'm adding citations to each lore element so that it shows which specific item description a piece of information has come from

[rich ingot]

Which is appreciated, as a lore speculator!

[pulsar orchid]

100%, it fits with the many-eyed and all-seeing aspects of Oro, definitely a half-sage demigod I reckon!

[rich ingot]

Makes you wonder who the sybil parent is though

[pulsar orchid]

Absolutely does - what seer was metal enough to fall in love with the moon and bear a child!!

Also I'm going to update Algamest's page with the tentative interpretation that the 'great weave' may be considered a weave of fate in Midrathian mythology (similar to the Norse fates); I say this because Oro was taught to see this weave by his father and is also described as an all-seeing half-oracle

[viral prism]

I’d be happy to help with that! I already have a lore map made in obsidian 😂

[viral prism]

Wasn’t there someone in Othavess that fell in love with Iridis and waited for him to show up which he never did and then went into the ocean to die????

Or was it one of the other towers?

Or no it was one of the villages!!

[rich ingot]

It's also described as the tapestry of stars, interestingly

Iridis is also described as the Great Mariner

Interesting

[pulsar orchid]

Nellynoch 😄

A fishing village huddled 'round a cursed cove. A lovestruck mage once spent her summer begging Iridis to visit her in the moonlit cove. When the autumn chill blew in and he had still not arrived, she walked into the Salz, never to resurface.

[rich ingot]

Iridis seems very closely tied to the Salz

[viral prism]

Yo…… what if it literally is this mage

[rich ingot]

In a way neither Saphene nor Mora are to any other part of Midrath

It makes sense with the Moon being the Tidemaker

[viral prism]

Brings up the Salzbrim sailor story too

[tardy phoenix]

ooh, Paladine

[pulsar orchid]

Verus looking kinda funny

(from the Wazzard's Robes, in case anyone's curious what this is!)

[viral prism]

The stars on the large ribbons are supposedly matching the stars from his constellation

Wait are those eyes on that chain holding the faces?

[pulsar orchid]

Oh good point I need to add that to his page, and I guess also the suns on the torso might be meant to be stars of Verus as well?

[pulsar orchid]

They are yeah! Spooky huh

I'm actually really pleased with how much info we have now

[viral prism]

that picture is honestly awesome XD

[rich ingot]

(Oro is also described as a constellation)

Wait IS Algamest described as a constellation?

There's a citation, time to rabbit hole some lore

Citation is for Verus as a constellation

[viral prism]

I think it is only the weave that is described as a large constellation

wait gang

i am confusing some lore here

the astrologers watch description says that napo agnes liked the view of the night sky in midrath more because it isn't "tainted by the ever-glow of the Borealis" and i always assumed that was the large cluster of stars in the skybox and what was the weave?

[pulsar orchid]

Citation on Verus' page is for him, it's just at the end of the sentence for neatness rather than coming immediately after the word constellation

Then Paladine is in their prism, which is cited on their page

Then Algamest I'm thinking of the 'dripping dew of Almagest's web' line, implying the constellation/night sky is the web, but you're right that doesn't necessarily mean Algamest is a constellation so I think I need to walk that back

It could be that Algamest wove the fates into the night sky etc etc, but she herself could be... anything really

a spider demigod, deity of the weavers, who knows

[rich ingot]

Makes sense. Could just replace Algamest with Oro since he is a constellation

Per his own prism description

[pulsar orchid]

Great shout yeah that needs adding anyway so I'll just swap them out

[viral prism]

i see now. in Oro's ranger prisms description it is said that Iridis taught his son how to see the weave of Algamest from Earth

[pulsar orchid]

The Borealis presumably refers to aurora borealis, so this stuff as opposed to the stars themselves - it implies that Cassia is perhaps closer to the poles of Alca, and could even be the 'icy and silent' place that Verus was born

[viral prism]

ohh that is interesting

[viral prism]

maybe this is why we see the weave as a constellation?

[rich ingot]

Wait...where the Twin Suns never set!

The solar bodies in alca, which direction do they go in???

And what's their visible latitude from Midrath?

[pulsar orchid]

Okay the constellation lines are updated on Oro, Verus and Paladine!

[rich ingot]

If Alca has a tidally locked axial tilt putting the suns consistently or south, then the pole would never see a sunset!

It would also never have seasons, but we haven't seen any evidence of those yet anyways

[pulsar orchid]

I think it's tough to say which of the constellations we see align with anything in particular. The stars were described as 'dripping dew off Algamest's web' which implies to me that her web might be the whole tapestry, the entire night sky; and it would take a sibyl/seer/oracle to read the web itself. As for us, we can just admire the view 😄

[pulsar orchid]

I think we do have mention of seasonality in lore, such as Thawtide, and the fact that the Ode'n weatherers prevent the usual Thawtide snows!

[rich ingot]

Drat.

Hm.

[pulsar orchid]

So I was thinking earlier about Svalbard and how at some times of year their night is never dark, like there's just constant sun, so you're absolutely right this could be Cassia - I'm just a bit conflicted about the everglow of the borealis, and if they never had night time anyway, then they'd be much more annoyed about Mora and Saphene ruining the views, than they would about borealis hahah

[viral prism]

ohh makes sense why iridis taught oro to see it due to his seer side

[rich ingot]

True, but if there is a place with only sun

Then in turn

There must be a place with no sun

Verus at one, and the Borealis at the other

[viral prism]

this is like three body problem kind of thing though XDD best not to really look into it cause the orbits are essentially impossible

or that is only with 3 suns?

[rich ingot]

That's only 3

A binary star system is incredibly stable

And well documented due to the Tau system being so observable and a binary star system

[viral prism]

wait so the twin suns orbit each other right?

[rich ingot]

Yep

[viral prism]

like they are circling a common centeR?

[rich ingot]

They are circling a midpoint based on the relative masses of each sun

But that midpoint would be shared unless the masses were substantially different

[viral prism]

how would it be night then though? and each sun have a main spot light in the day?

[rich ingot]

Because they orbit each other, not the planet

And the dominant light would be which one is closer to the planet

Assuming similar luminosity and mass of course

[pulsar orchid]

Omg yess I see what you mean now! Verus where the sun never sets, and Cassia where the sun never rises, hence the everglow

[rich ingot]

Exactly!

Similar to how the North Pole has endless sun in the summer, but the South Pole has endless night at the same time, and vice versa

The difference would have to be a tidal lock on the axial tilt to avoid the season long day/night swapping between poles

[viral prism]

yeah but they are each of equal length...

so the suns are orbiting the common center -> when mora rises, mora is closer to us and saphene is in the back
they circle once which means now saphene is in the front and mora in the back

then it is night which means midrath is facing away

i think we can't really have gameplay in this cause then both mora and saphene would orbit each other again in the same time it is night and then Mora has to take the front again which doesn't make sense

i might be overthinking it lol

[rich ingot]

Will have to check the day/night but pretty sure Night and Day are always the same length, but sometimes Mora is the day and sometimes Saphene

[viral prism]

wait huh? i thought it was always Mora -> Saphene -> Iridis

[rich ingot]

It could also be explained by the fact Saphene and Mora could be of different masses, if you are correct

Which is hard to tell

[viral prism]

yeah i think Saphene should be the bigger one because she is described to be 3 times hotter than Mora

[rich ingot]

Size doesn't really correlate nicely to mass in Stars

[worldly jewel]

nop

[rich ingot]

Bigger usually means colder, as does redder

[viral prism]

oh wait yeah

[worldly jewel]

ye, bluer stars are hotter

[rich ingot]

Small, blue or white stars are often the hottest.

They grow bigger and colder as they age

Growing more red

Now, those also don't easily correlate to mass, which is what a gravitational orbit would care about

[viral prism]

oh so maybe Mora is the more dominant one in the system and Saphene more orbits Mora with then some days having Saphene in front of Mora?

[rich ingot]

But iirc Tau Ceti has a similar setup of a larger and smaller sun.

So we could use that as a reference

[worldly jewel]

ye

[viral prism]

damn wouldn't Saphene just burn us like crazy? is that maybe why Cassia's Borealis is so damn bright and ever glowing?

does alca just have a crazy magnetic field to protect us? XDD

[rich ingot]

Hmm, might not be binary

Checking on something

[worldly jewel]

wait... no Tau has a larger blue star and a smaller yellow star

[viral prism]

damn maybe the weave is the magnetic field of alca...

[worldly jewel]

afaik both are binary systems tho

[rich ingot]

... Holy sheet that would make so much sense

[pulsar orchid]

Night is half as long, it's 15mins vs day's 30mins

[worldly jewel]

yuh

[rich ingot]

Yeah, but does day go Mora for 15 then Saphene for 15?

[worldly jewel]

non

[rich ingot]

Or does it pick between Mora and Saphene for that day?

[worldly jewel]

it's 30 mins of mora or saphene

[rich ingot]

That's what we're trying to remember as it would impact orbital mechanics as they relate to mass

[viral prism]

maybe we are just a flat earth with both suns and moon in a weird as curve above us

[worldly jewel]

then night, then 30 min of whichevers turn it is

[true vortex]

i love the rats with wings

[viral prism]

that is so strange...

[pulsar orchid]

Is it random? When I made the day-night cycle page I tested a few times, 3 I think, and got this

[rich ingot]

We were mixing up Tau and Centauri

[pulsar orchid]

maybe I was just lucky three times in a row though lmao

[rich ingot]

Okay, so that would support a difference in mass between Mora and Saphene

[worldly jewel]

wait wat....

[pulsar orchid]

It certainly does one for 15, then the other for 15 - and in my experience it's Saphene first but as Wagiii says maybe it needs further testing if it can be random?

[worldly jewel]

idk... i haven't paid that much attention to it

[viral prism]

yeah i thought is always was Mora first then comes Saphene and then Iridis awakes

[worldly jewel]

i just see daytime changing

[rich ingot]

...If the order of Day can change...

this could be huge

[viral prism]

and that repeats

[rich ingot]

Assuming this was intentional there's a whole branch of Astrophysics to explore that relates to Alca to dig into!

[pulsar orchid]

Wait a second actually I think the page doesn't match my own notes, I might've forgor to update it 💀 you're right my notes say Mora first

yeah I got Mora rises first, 3 days in a row

[viral prism]

i swear i got a Saphene Glows in the middle of the day though

[rich ingot]

Okay, even if it's the same order it's a bit more boring but still kinda cool physics wise

[pulsar orchid]

Yep this is what matches my notes, will update page now

I'll keep an eye on more days to see if it keeps adding up

[rich ingot]

Centauri is large blue small red

[worldly jewel]

so the same as tau ceti (except smaller is yellow)

[rich ingot]

It looked like there might be a big red small blue in the wikipedia article for binary stars though

Ugh, white dwarf and red dwarf orbital pair, not quite what we were looking for

[pulsar orchid]

Wait actually... I think my notes are out of date, and the page is up to date, and dawn is Saphene glows, then midday is Mora rises hahaha

definitely need to test to reconfirm that

[rich ingot]

Antares

[viral prism]

mmh i'll check as well

[rich ingot]

Red supergiant, with a smaller blue-white sequence star

[viral prism]

currently for me it is Mora I'll see what comes after

[pulsar orchid]

Does it say night in <15, or night in between 15-30?

[rich ingot]

Orbital period of Antares is...ah, frick

[viral prism]

night in 40 sec 😂

so yeah Mora is before Iridis

[pulsar orchid]

yayy that means another confirmation for Mora noon

[rich ingot]

Orbital period of 1000-2000 years

[worldly jewel]

that's fiiiiiiiiiiiiine

[rich ingot]

Okay, so this might not be the best example

Is there any chance we could get an estimate of the distance between Mora and Saphene?

[viral prism]

never knew there was a lonely tree shredder all the way over here...

[worldly jewel]

there do be

[rich ingot]

Oh. Oh frick. Oh no.

"the common outcome of a 3 body problem is one of the suns being ejected from the orbit and leaving a stable binary pair"

...What of that was the catastrophe of Mora and Saphene's quarrel?

[worldly jewel]

[rich ingot]

A star being ejected from a trinary close enough it had significant gravitational or luminary impact on the planet

Potentially causing catastrophic disasters

Alca is pretty definitively on a P type orbit at least

...Feels like we could probably come up with some interesting physics questions for the next Envoy Hour

Such as "what is the distance between Mora and Saphene in AU"

[austere robin]

that de probably wont be able to answer lol unless they went that indepth with the world crafting

[rich ingot]

If nothing else it might result in some very interesting and funny answers

We might be able to back calculate this

Might

Assuming the parallax is actually calculable at different points in the year

And assuming we might be able to see the stars in daytime

[viral prism]

ain't no way they booted out Algamest

[rich ingot]

Oh, that would be really funny

If Algamest was the third sun and it being displaced caused the Weave (a massive aurora lightshow)

[viral prism]

maybe mora and saphene are orbiting clockwise, Alca is orbiting counter clock wise and on top of that Alca is spinning clockwise?

[viral prism]

it think... that is just place holder because i am pretty sureee... that is the Tau system in warframe...

[rich ingot]

...That's one helluva math problem

[rich ingot]

Nope

[viral prism]

nope?

damn i always thought that was the same image we see on the Tau missions?

[rich ingot]

Tau

[viral prism]

ohhhh now i see yeah

[rich ingot]

Big blue, small red, larger displacement

[viral prism]

they are still pretty similar with that one solar flare connection

[pulsar orchid]

big difference with these ~~ guys ~~ ladies

[viral prism]

i see yeah i was just confused then

[rich ingot]

We know the Suns are just a png on an artificial orbit on a set timer, but...ugh

We wanna do math so bad rn

[austere robin]

i have a handy white board i can mail you naito

[viral prism]

wait maybe this is that big fight they made? all those in between solar flares getting slung back to Alca

[rich ingot]

They're insanely close if Saphene is being ripped up like that

[viral prism]

that would explain that Mora and Saphene's fight "scoarched Alca"

[rich ingot]

Like, maybe less than an AU close

[viral prism]

isn't AU the distance from the earth to the sun?

[rich ingot]

Mora also clearly has the higher density, which is very odd

[echo sail]

This. 🤣

[rich ingot]

Yeah

[viral prism]

i mean not really right? Aren't red sun typically way bigger with less density? and blue stars smaller but with more density?

[rich ingot]

They must have had an unstable orbit, there's no way Saphene has been that close to Mora for millenia

[rich ingot]

Yes, which is why it's weird saphene is being torn apart

[viral prism]

ohh like that... yeah that is weird

[rich ingot]

It should be much more dense

[austere robin]

i wouldnt be suprised if the center of orbit is more closer to mora than saphene which would probably influence saphene being torn apart

[rich ingot]

That's the other really annoying part: there's no visible orbit period

We can assume one of 45 minutes from the in game day timer.

But there's no visual support

[austere robin]

i finally made a super close binary star system that doesnt immediately destroy itself or shoots the planet off into the void

[rich ingot]

Mass differential and orbital distance of the stars?

[austere robin]

the only math i used was trial and error until stable

'mora' and 'saphene' have ~0.45AU distance between them with 'alca' being ~2 AU away from 'mora' on the larger part of the orbit

[rich ingot]

Hm, a bit extreme but maybe viable with a dual sun.

a 3:5 mass ratio could def work

[austere robin]

yeah without knowing the actual in-universe mass of all 3 known bodies (save iridis, but its mass is basically negligible on the planetary and solar scale)

-# and the fact i had to give saphene alot of velocity to stay balanced with mora tugging on it

[quiet spindle]

What do you think the metaplot of Soulframe will be? For Warframe it's identity, but for Soluframe it's family?

[quick bobcat]

First time even hearing "mataplot".

[quiet spindle]

Perhaps I chosen wrong word in english. More right word should be leitmotif.

[quick bobcat]

Can't say that's any more coherant.

[rich ingot]

Isn't leitmotif a music thing?

Do you maybe mean core theme?

[quiet spindle]

Yes, it should be better word.

[rich ingot]

Environmentalism

Tradition

[frozen shell]

Global warming :p. Or what ever they call that sh!t these days

[quick bobcat]

"get off my lawn"

[quiet spindle]

Actually, strong nature theme is present in Warframe too. At least, I see Fey as a syndicates New Loka and Red Veil as Seelie and Unseelie courts.

[quick bobcat]

What's "Seelie"/"Unseelie"?

[rich ingot]

Different Fey courts

Not sure if they're from any actual mythology or just part of the modern zeitgeist though

[rich ingot]

You're in a chat talking about video game lore

[quick bobcat]

I needed to get that out. Too many weird words I've neever seen before.

[rich ingot]

"In Scottish folklore, faeries are divided into the Seelie Court and the Unseelie Court. D. L. Ashliman notes that this may be the most famous division of fairies.[5]

The Seelie Court is described to comprise fairies that seek help from humans, warn those who have accidentally offended them, and return human kindness with favors of their own. Still, a fairy belonging to this court would avenge insults and could be prone to mischief.[6]

The Unseelie Court describes the darkly-inclined fairies. Unlike the Seelie Court, no offense was deemed necessary to bring down their assaults.[6] In Scotland, they were seen as closely allied with witches.[7]"

[quick bobcat]

Not all game players are nerds.

[rich ingot]

It is a really part of myth!

Sick!

[rich ingot]

But video game lore fanatics do tend to be

[quick bobcat]

And not everyone discussing the lore is a fanatic.

[rich ingot]

True

[frozen shell]

No, we're in chat seeing you talk about video he lore. Lol

[rich ingot]

continues calculating orbital pathways of binary star systems

[viral prism]

guys i found another glades exit that isn't on the soulmap yet!!

so idk who to report this to?

who was it again?

[pulsar orchid]

@vague nacelle , or you can report it via the link on soulmap!

[viral prism]

ohh thx

[vague nacelle]

oh hi

thanks, i'll add it tomorrow

i forgot to add it i went out of there 39384 times

[viral prism]

bro... you good?

[quiet spindle]

I was wondering, what if the fairy world is the moon? At least there is definitely something, because moon have symbol of Oscelda.

[viral prism]

Oscelda is aligned with spirit and so Iridis so most likely Oscelda just has the symbol of Iridis

[vague nacelle]

i was distracted from vcing with a friend i hadn't been in vc for like... months

[viral prism]

i mean that's awesome but like.... doing glades hundreds of times 😂

i would immediatly fold

[quiet spindle]

I meant spirit is magic and imagination. And we have the moon with that symbol.

[viral prism]

the Virtue magicks come from the three main deities which is Mora that gives Courage, Saphene that gives Grace and Iridis that gives Spirit. So The symbol of Iridis is then most likely some sort of rune for Spirit Magick

and Oscelda is aligned with Spirit so wears the Symbol of Iridis

[vague nacelle]

oh, well i did that for old gath, it was more like 10 glades t3s in a row or smth

[pulsar orchid]

Oscelda was aligned with Iridis yeah, but she's just one of the three Fey envoys we know about - alongside Tethren (aligned with Mora) and Sirin (Saphene)

I think Eldveil (if that's what you mean by fey world) is its own plane of existence, or some other Silven Sea-esque plane

[quick bobcat]

You could just join the avakot.org discord and say "hey, I found this thing, it's over here" with pics.

[viral prism]

but Eldveil though... mhhh it is hard to say that that would come from Iridis because Alora made alca and midrath and she came from out of the sea

yeah could just be another plane of existence or a real garden somewhere else on the planet that is just really remote

[viral prism]

damn i didn't realise there was a discord

[pulsar orchid]

yep we use it for all the wiki / soulmap / little genius related stuff! So you can always feel free to ping one of us here, but there you can make feedback and bug report threads etc when needed

[quick bobcat]

World trees are probably just flowery wording, rather than actual lore.

[pulsar orchid]

What do you mean by that? They do have their own lore:

It is bad luck indeed to harm one of Alca's own World Trees. They are widely considered to have been planted by Fey in the era before humankind... Though there is much speculation as to why.

or do you mean in terms of like, how fundamental they are to the structure/nature of Alca

[quick bobcat]

I mean the poem about Alora.

[pulsar orchid]

Ahh I see

it's interesting how it's written from the perspective of the trees themselves

[viral prism]

that is true yeah but still it can give us some insides on how she came to be and how Eldveil might work

[pulsar orchid]

I do suspect they might be true, simply because of the fact that:

• Alora prayed for humankind
• The first envoys marched against humankind, in the Felling
• They are considered to have betrayed Alora after this, which may indicate the Felling itself as the betrayal

[viral prism]

damn i never gotten the island tree.... i should have done it ages ago

[viral prism]

it is also cool that Saphene started the Felling

like she used her cunning wording to whisper thoughts of war into the minds of fey and human kind

[pulsar orchid]

omggg thank you I knew I'd forgotten something! Yeah this was a cool lore drop, I need to add this to the Saphene and Felling pages hahah

[quick bobcat]

Where's that shown at?

[viral prism]

one of the grace prisms

i think the extreme one

[quick bobcat]

Ah. I hae yet to red the prisms. Still not fully awake yet. Been up and down all night...

I have a notes folder with everything but the prisms screenshotted.

[viral prism]

they give a lot more insides on the mythology of things

like Oro, Verus, Paladine

[quick bobcat]

I might just log in and screenshot 'em and and then go back to bed for a while.

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah the prisms were crazy, huge gift from sydney / writing team

[rich ingot]

Each Extreme prism shows a dark side of the Virtue

Grace leads to Manipulation

Courage to Tyranny

And Spirit values life regardless of its harm to others

[viral prism]

yeah apparently Iridis gave life to many monsters 💀

[austere robin]

-# and Devotion inspires bravery. Bravery inspires sacrifice. Sacrifice leads to death.
sorry the way naito structured those messages reminded me of the guardian motto from destiny lol

[rich ingot]

Pfft

Well played

[quick bobcat]

Ok. Screenshots taken. Going to go lay back down, cause typing, reading getting harder again...

I'll read 'em whan I'm actually awak.

[fervent basin]

finall found the organ line

"You would have dead stone, cold metal, over life?" said by the Organ guy to us. Just an interesting thought about the Ode perspective

like, do they even see plants and animals as "alive" or do they just see a cold dead world?

[viral prism]

while collecting all the mythology of soulframe i found something else about Iridis being heavily connected to the Sea.

Apparently the after life in soulframe are the Rings of Iridis!
When you die, you will have to find a place on his rings and sail it forever more

[fervent basin]

man what even is a "soul" in this universe

I know that the ooze critters don't seem to have 'em

[viral prism]

yeah their "Life" is really strange. They seemingly only live on Ichor and their world should resemble what the areas around the skytowers are

[pulsar orchid]

all his lines are on his wiki page btw if you just want quick access https://wiki.avakot.org/Medis_Gyon/Quotes

[pine ore]

Am I supposed to recognize the guy in the bottom of this?

[fervent basin]

bless wiki guys

[pulsar orchid]

That's Tuvalkane 😭

[pine ore]

So...yeah?

[viral prism]

and apparently Rhiannon is being exluded from that after life

[pulsar orchid]

She's not a guy 💀

[pine ore]

Have you checked?

[pulsar orchid]

Most of the community has given what she wears 😭

[fervent basin]

she uses she/her pronouns and refers to herself as a woman so she's a woman

[viral prism]

yeah there was a certain bug....

[brisk juniper]

Those are suggestions on what to do next i think no?

[fervent basin]

if you say otherwise maybe you should check yourself

[brisk juniper]

I dont think he would survive that encounter

[pine ore]

idk what that means

[fervent basin]

having done a very tiny amnount of blacksmithing in my life, yeah, you don't want to make the person with a hammer and big fire mad

[brisk juniper]

She would snap him like a branch

[pine ore]

For a brief moment I forgot I had asked the question of "Have you checked?" and I was very confused why you were telling me to "check myself".

I took it to mean as in the "before you wreck yourself" variety.

[fervent basin]

it was both

[pine ore]

Clever

Also whats the deal with the weird dams with faces on em that turn water into black goo

[fervent basin]

Ode terraforming devices

their biology involves black goop, for some reason

[pulsar orchid]

That's an https://wiki.avakot.org/Ode'n_Moaner

[viral prism]

well those are the Moaners that pump out Ichor and pollute the rivers

The Ode can only live on Ichor. It is essentially their lifeblood. So in order to live on Alca (and conquer it), they must pollute the planet with Ichor

[pine ore]

Oh I just got the Ode'n Odin connection just now

I hadn't heard it said out loud enough I guess and was pronouncing it differently in my head

[viral prism]

wait what is the Ode'n Odin connection?

[pine ore]

Just how its pronounced

Its pronounced the way Odin is, I imagine not unintentionally.

But I was pronouncing it

Oh-dee-in

In my head

[viral prism]

i have just been saying it as Oden

with an e instead of an I like in Odin

[pulsar orchid]

Yep this is how it's pronounced by DE and in-game too

[rich ingot]

...Oden is also a Japanese word isn't it?

[worldly jewel]

non

wait yes

[rich ingot]

Soup

...We're being invaded by Soup

Y'know what sure

Soup wearing armour

That's what we headcanon the Ode as now

[worldly jewel]

Armoured soup?

does it like... take extra effort to eat or wut?

[viral prism]

wait gang we established that Saphene is in the morning right?

and Mora is the afternoon?

[glass kelp]

they feel pretty solid to hit tho, we need to warm up the soup with mora's hand

[viral prism]

but the maestro description says that the cardinals sing their morning song to wake up Mora 💀

[pulsar orchid]

Waaait this explains why their helmets are just big, deep, empty bowls

Synod really was made to dunk oreos in, huh

[rich ingot]

Saphene is the afternoon we thought?

[worldly jewel]

pretty sure ye

[viral prism]

oh fr? nvm then

[pulsar orchid]

No yeah saphene is the morning

I got that 3 times and then you confirmed @viral prism earlier on, when you got Mora in afternoon #spoiler-chat message

[rich ingot]

Intriguing

[viral prism]

i'll see again i have day in 7 minutes

also researching Iridis again. I found maybe that the people of soulframe would honor the dead by making a special gemstone called a Tear of Iridis

[viral prism]

alright yes Mora Rises right after Iridis i think i was wrong and thought it was mora

[pulsar orchid]

Oo so you got Mora at dawn this time?

[viral prism]

yeah i got mora this time but i think i might have been wrong the first time and it was saphene instead

[rich ingot]

Is it possible it alternates

[pulsar orchid]

Definitely possible yeah, going to try and keep a close eye on it over the next day or so and see how it goes

[viral prism]

wait i want Atajan immediatly in the game...

i just found out about him

also do we know how many rings Iridis has?

cause Virdigris is his Innermost ring

[pulsar orchid]

heck yeah he looks amazing and he'll come with such cool content, the combat arts rework, order of the gyres lore, maybe an update to the moon's watch tower, etc

[pulsar orchid]

I don't think we have an official answer, you can kind of make out 3/4 distinct bands but he's described as having 'many halos' and I don't think they'd use the word 'many' if it's just three or four

[viral prism]

honeslty we be having so much Iridis lore... can we also please get my girl Saphene some lore too 😭

[rich ingot]

She has a wife, started a war, had a baby who is the moon with said wife, and had an argument with her wife that almost destroyed Alca

That's a good start right?

[viral prism]

damn that's true...

[rich ingot]

But yeah we know very little of her followers atm

Iridis has Atajan, respect from the Salz, etc

Mora has her Clan Jotar

But almost nothing is yet known about Saphenes followers

[buoyant idol]

dark brotherhood / thieves guild type of syndicate maybe 👀

(i know those are two very different groups but they're alike in their secretiveness)

[pine ore]

How long before I generally get a new weapon type? The 1h sword is fun, but are great swords and polearm a long way away?

[true vortex]

Erm how the frick am I suppose to kill this deer

[viral prism]

well, weapons are usually just farmed from any chest. I don't exactly know all the droptables but low level stuff is in there. Otherwise you can get weapon fragments from enemies, bosses, organs, Tales, Sieges, Faction shop, Collector

polearms i think are easily gotten but greatsword do have a bit of a grind behind them

[viral prism]

pure skill

[pulsar orchid]

Do we have anything about Silent Rose being connected to Saphene? Or are they just kind of connected by proxy, on account of them being sneaky saboteurs?

[rich ingot]

Seems the latter

[viral prism]

they don't mention saphene no

[true vortex]

Stupid

And I cant leave

Im trapped in hell

[viral prism]

so i guess there is only one thing to do... fight the deer, learn his moves, gain more skill and win

[true vortex]

Having to fight the girl all over again when you know youre gonna die 100 times

[viral prism]

they are not that hard though

you just gotta dodge and occasionally swing your sword in between

or shoot your bow

[true vortex]

Idk how to doge apparently

[viral prism]

you can roll with F i think

[true vortex]

Fine ill try and come back crying

[viral prism]

keep dodging and if you see a window of attack (usually there is a pattern), swing you sword.

[viral prism]

Alrighti got a good beginning for my lore spreadsheet. I have only looked for anything Mora, Saphene, Iridis and his sons related

gonna fill it up with Fey lore a next time XD gonna go to bed

gonna rewatch some of the Envoy hours too for more info

[pulsar orchid]

awesome sounds good, share any more interesting nuggets you find! I'll try and keep everything up to date on the wiki for fellow envoys, still catching up on some P13 stuff especially the Medis lore from the Organs, there's a lot of good info now so worth checking everything with many pairs of eyes 🫡

[true vortex]

Okay someone saved me

And now im trapped on the other side of the map

[opaque heron]

Visit Eternium

[indigo kernel]

does soulframe do wipes? My story progress has been wiped

[sonic sequoia]

Last one was P6 to P7, no more are planed.

[indigo kernel]

thanks for the reply. Appriciate it

[pine ore]

I'm trying to explore further east on the map and running into this door I can't open.

Is this me being locked behind story progression?

[mystic spire]

lever on the left side

[pine ore]

yknow...probably should've seen that

thank you haha

[mystic spire]

no problem lol

[pine ore]

I have Garren Rood available to research but it looks like the materials are Tier 2 compared to what I have. Iron instead of steel, etc. Is there a reliable way to farm these in the first couple zones to unlock the pact?

[sonic sequoia]

Scrap Iron is randomly dropped by the weapon racks, you can find some in Fort Curlail, or in dungeons.
That I know of there is no difference for those other than RNG.

[pine ore]

So I might as well just play and progress towards other stuff until I have what I'm looking for on the other 2, then farm out the iron that I still need left. Thanks!

[lethal saddle]

Anytime you see avakot selling those items, especially quartz buy all you can

[quick bobcat]

Wiki has drop sorces for all the materials.

https://wiki.avakot.org/Crafting#Index_of_Materials

[hollow peak]

where can i find the npc's for faction rep? idk where to go

[quick bobcat]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Enclaves

[hollow peak]

Thankyouu

[brisk falcon]

Hi , What can I do to get in and play?

[sand wren]

#envoy-gathering message

[quiet spindle]

Im so confuses that there are gods and fairies, and fairies with the powers of gods -_- This is a bit weird.

[opaque jay]

Yep the cheap stuff is from barrels

Iron and steel are from basically all weapon racks?

But the forts and glades come to mind

Non golden glowing chests tend to drop gossamer quartz.

[viral prism]

I mean the Fey in this world just get their magick from the Deities

The magicks itself originate from the gods and the Fey are just really good at using it

Not sure what they looked like though

[true vortex]

I joined a group, we fought stag won. And now im trapped on the otherside of the map i havent explored yet and I have to run all the way across the map to get back to my quest?

[quiet junco]

You can ask a player near the starting zone to invite you for a taxi over

[gaunt surge]

going to Eternal Garden and leaving will place you on the western side of the map, close to Fort Curlail.

[eager elm]

How much standing we get for 1 piece?

[pulsar orchid]

Depends on which enclave you give it to

Just trying to track down that info for the wiki rn

Here is the Kith example, dunno yet for the other Enclaves wiki is now up to date

[viral prism]

Drackore can we reasonably assume the face on the Sineculum resembles the face of the Ode?

Also new tree mentioned

[worldly jewel]

doesn't really look like a ode face to me

[quiet spindle]

Is it just me or now the characters' faces look more mature? While I would have given them a 20 age old look before, they now look 30-35.

[last solstice]

any stats to the new bow avex? is it 3 star?

[rich ingot]

It is!

Heavy attack is a melee over arrow rain too

[last solstice]

Nice where does it drop?

[modest thunder]

from organs

[sonic sequoia]

In general yes, that's my impression as well but there is one of the options that is younger looking.
Also faces are up for another rework, this time based on the original faces.

[pulsar orchid]

It's really weird to me because it looks more like a medallion of mora, I don't like it

feels un-ode, but it is described as being a sinecure insignia

[pulsar orchid]

lmao yeah new tree dropped

[pine ore]

I need more courage to weild the polearm I just researched. I understand equipping a different virtue is how to do this, but is there a guide with were those virtues are found?

[sonic sequoia]

From the associated Faction.
They also sell upgraded Talismans (+6 to the Virtue).
You can also invest in the Pact Arts.

Courage = Kith of Kings.
Spirit = Alca's Children.
Grace = Silent Rose.
Hybrid Prisms are found in both the enclaves they represent (Knight O'Paladine is in both Kith and Alca).

[pine ore]

Great! So I just need to figure out how to farm levels in kith of kings then, and that'll let me get my polearm swingin. Thanks!

[pulsar orchid]

There is a guide yes 😄 it's here https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtue_Prisms

[pulsar orchid]

...DE what is this?

[rich ingot]

UHHHHH

[pulsar orchid]

the sinecure's personal insignias are Mora? ?!?!?

[rich ingot]

Ode former Alcans theory confirmed??????

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah either that or all the Sinecure are spellsung

It'd make a lot more sense if this were a typo and it's meant to be the personal insignia of a fallen Dendrit soldier, or soldier of Clan Jotar

right now I feel uneasy about this lmao

[dim basalt]

That's literally red overlayed and more gold on accents 😭 and also Mora

I will hope that's just a placeholder for now

[pulsar orchid]

I'm hoping either this, or a mistake, or if it IS intended then we need a significant lore drop pronto because this is huge for it to be so small (if that makes sense)

[viral prism]

i see.. mmhh

[dim basalt]

like.. yeAH, definetly. if that's intended thats big big

[pine ore]

I'm looking to get higher power virtues from kith of kings but I'm not clear on how to actually get standing. The wiki says to complete the sparrow's tale quest but I'm not sure where that is or how to proceed with it.

Disregard I found what I missed

Gotta get this dang amulet apparently

Wait no I have that?

This game sure is selective with information.

[dim basalt]

Sparrow tales are now votives and you get them from world trees

[pine ore]

I see it! Thank you!

[frank marten]

i personally think the ode that have those took them as trophies

like the seed and scrolls

[pine ore]

okay why does pressing this button turn my character into...this

[worldly jewel]

it switches between male and female

[pine ore]

Oh so he's just ugly

got it

[worldly jewel]

faces are getting a complete rework

but also you have different faces to choose from too ofc

[pine ore]

I think the female ones are...okay.

That one just jumpscared me

[worldly jewel]

but ye there were some issues with the current faces that made them decide they'll revert to the old 2 faces and ones based on those

like something didn't work properly iirc

[pine ore]

And whats the lore behind why I can't jump in nighthold?

Who did this

[worldly jewel]

no need to

t'is the sea your ancestors reside in, not a parkour facility

[pine ore]

If I wasn't meant to jump they wouldn't have made the floor so entertaining

Gravity binds me needlessly

Joking aside there are a fair few things this game gets wonky but a fair few more I'm finding it gets right. It doesn't hold your hand as much as modern games, which I love, but I do think there are a couple things that could probably at least use a pinky or two more

[worldly jewel]

ye some stuff will get better explanations and tutorials as they become more solid

instead of being under the threat of a rework/deletion

[pine ore]

Votives I like the concept of a lot

But sure do wish someone in game told me about em :p

[worldly jewel]

ye i like how they work now too that you don't need to go to a world tree anymore at the end of a tale, just to pick up your first one

[quick bobcat]

No. Ode mocking Fenn confirmed.

[quiet junco]

Interesting, the VO still says Aurora but the text has changed

[pulsar orchid]

You get told about them when you visit any Enclave leader now!

[worldly jewel]

mmm probably haven't gotten around to re-recording the voicelines

[quiet junco]

Yeah I assume so, that does confirm it's a name-change and not two different characters tho

[worldly jewel]

ye

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah I always wondered what they'd do with the " 'Rora " in his Sparrow's Tale voiceovers as well, til they removed voiceovers completely

[worldly jewel]

is it just gonna be "Alora" now or is avocado gonna shorten it to "Lora"

[quiet junco]

" 'lora's" name I assume

[quick bobcat]

They still will need to completely rewrite the entry for the origin of her name in the world tree notes. Cause it makes sense for "Arora" but not for "Alora".

[worldly jewel]

mmm

[quick bobcat]

This one. It doesn't make sense anymore.

[worldly jewel]

a yeee

[quiet junco]

I think you can justify that still

"Sounds kind of like aurora"

[quick bobcat]

Extremely flimsy.

Unless we get some extra context that whoever spoke the name had a speech impediment or something...

[viral prism]

true... Aurora kinda made sense but I like Alora more tbh

[viral prism]

maybe in soulframe terms Alora = Aurora?

[quick bobcat]

We'll need some info outside of the one world tree entry to suggest that.

[quick bobcat]

Within the context of that line, Aurora made perfect sense. That's what we call "dancing lights in the sky".

[lapis elk]

maybe it's fey word for Aurora? but yeah we need more clarification

[final sage]

Can everyone get to 18 or just Fey pact people?

[pulsar orchid]

I think Paragons should be able to get there without Fey

[quick bobcat]

Yeah. If DE can provide lore to such effect that it's commonly used on Alca, or amongst the Fey then it would make sense. Or if they just mention the person misspoke, but she liked it and took on the name...

[rich ingot]

Seeing some people say they know folks without Fey who hit 18

There's some saying they can't though

Guessing some location names being almost impossible to get consistently like Mirifuir might be skewing things

[final sage]

Crying a bit

60 stags, only 1/2 Gathannan

[quick bobcat]

At least Gath isn't still 5 fragments...

[final sage]

Deer lord..