spoiler-chat

[crimson solar]

yeah got soul mode on, i'm trying a relog

relog fixed it, thx for the help

[late viper]

np

Speaking of quests

I wish that looking in the Journal showed me which extra Virtue I accepted when talking to each of the Omen Beasts

[neon slate]

That would be nice, yeah

It’s been so long since I did the other two…

[viral prism]

ngl.... it would be a good idea to have the points you get from a choice be a point you can alocate by your own. You now have the base prism values and then you can add the points from the quest onto them. That would maybe help with the people that struggle with this update because their highly specific build isn't in the game anymore.

[sterile horizon]

How do I find the new bear fight at night?

[viral prism]

Search around the Ichor areas and see if it spawns in. The stag and the bear share spawns

[sterile horizon]

Gotcha, tyty

[viral prism]

Also some places might spawn in like a pool of ichor. You can also hear growls coming from them

[pale ocean]

any tips for starting the new miniquests? I feel like I've been exploring lots

waiting on gear to finish but gonna try em once I level it

[pulsar orchid]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Mistress_of_the_Thread now has a full walkthrough, though idk if there's any guides yet for the other two - I'll be working on their wiki pages over the next couple days but hopefully someone can help who's done those 😄 I can tell you though that the other two are located in Kairness and Skelfies

[pale ocean]

Extremely clutch! Thanks a ton

[finite tree]

A secret spotted....new quest coming soon? ||Orlick was hinted at having a new quest and I managed to see someone come across this with no idea what it was||

[quick bobcat]

Where did someone find that?

[dim coral]

behind it looks most like a respawn shrine, question is which one

my first guess is the one near the college

and it was not

[finite tree]

I happened to catch it on a new player’s stream. Clipped it because they were confused (and I was curious) and I snapped a screenshot of it. The exact location I’ll have to double check.

[dim coral]

a noob which means we could narrow it down to the shrines in the starter zone

[finite tree]

For context though, they were doing the An Invitation quest and they read the note from Avakot, but then right next to it was that note. They clicked it and it popped up and disappeared super fast but the intro caught my attention otherwise I wouldn’t have even batted an eye.

[dim coral]

to which faction

[finite tree]

Children of Alca.

[dim coral]

i can vaguely see a tree in the back so that eliminates shrines facing rocks or other plain stuff

which includes the one outside hilly-den

[finite tree]

I’m logging in via steam deck so I’ll find it. Gimme a few.

[dim coral]

and yet the invitation quest starts outside hilly-den...

[finite tree]

It was the respawn stone right next to Lummins. However, my being there doesn’t have anything. Part of me thinks that it’s supposed to trigger immediately after the An Invitation quest for new players, but may need to do something else for older players. But since it’s not technically implemented yet regardless, not much we can do on it.

[quick bobcat]

Maybe.

Hmm... Yeah. Tried looking over there and nothing.

[heavy axle]

https://youtu.be/BfXKI1srkug?si=gwpxO_aN6X2YVpuK

[quiet spindle]

Where is this note?

[quiet junco]

Oh this is the Tuvalkane note

Not new, but I don't think it shows up if you've already done her quest, the blasting he's talking about is the device digging out the helmet

[sonic sequoia]

Level ranges for the Votives on the World Trees, might be incomplete, just did one pass.

[stone flicker]

Higher level means more rep gained?

[sonic sequoia]

Faction Tales rep

Level 0-10
    1 Star: 150
    2 Star: 350
    3 Star: 500
Level 10-20
    1 Star: 300
    2 Star: 550
    3 Star: 850
Level 20-30
    1 Star: 400
    2 Star: 750
    3 Star: 1150
Level 30-40
    1 Star: 500
    2 Star: 950
    3 Star: 1450
Level 40-50 (not available yet)
    1 Star: ???        (from 400)
    2 Star: ???        (from 750)
    3 Star: 1700

[final sage]

Is there a way to make sure the faction tale vadagar stag spawns?

Or do i just ignore it for now

[gusty jungle]

it must be night

[final sage]

If you start the tale at daytime, does the stag spawn as soon as it becomes night then?

[gusty jungle]

ye

tested it myself

[final sage]

Nice, thanks!

[viral prism]

what region gives you 30-40? I am still searching for a tree that gives me that level range but i don't know where it is?

[gritty fiber]

Should be northeast I believe

Always had been the higher level area

[viral prism]

damn I am at the creedance high tree. mmh maybe i am unlucky and all my tales just spawn more under the tree so the level becomes lower

[sonic sequoia]

The one near Wyndoun, and the one near Creedance High.
Creedance High has slightly higher levels, but both should fall under the 30-40 range for the final step.

[somber bridge]

Would we have a hotfix this week?

[sonic sequoia]

Most likely, possibly even later today.

First week after a patch is usually full of hotfixes.

[worldly jewel]

not today since it's a holiday in canada

[gusty jungle]

i searched on google and it seems there is no holiday today in canada?

/

[rich ingot]

It's a provincial holiday

In Ontario

[gusty jungle]

oh now i found on google

[candid marsh]

is there a tier 3 spirit based armor available?

[rich ingot]

The Wazzard set

[candid marsh]

looks tier 2 in the shop

[rich ingot]

Rarity is showing as 2, but it seems to scale very similar to a tier 3, not sure why

[frank marten]

Would hazard to guess its probably either a visual bug that its only showing two when its actually a 3. Same for the new dual blades its showing as a 1 but has the stats of a 2 star

[wintry night]

just wondering

why people seem to hate the fire king

[sonic sequoia]

Uh?
Who?

[austere robin]

Fenn Jotar i guess?

[sonic sequoia]

I meant, who hates him?

[austere robin]

ah 🤷‍♂️

[rich ingot]

He kind of did some Bad Stuff after the Cassid Invasion

His people went and burned a bunch of towns and people, and he just decided to ignore it.

[sonic sequoia]

Basker's Wrest description make it sounds like he was powerless to stop it.
But it wouldn't likely make that much of a difference to the families of burned people.

[rich ingot]

He at the very least blames himself

And said he turned a blind eye

[worldly jewel]

been told to not ask for codes here. check the pinned messages in #envoy-gathering for info on how to get access

[honest minnow]

Sorry

[fervent basin]

just two skeletons chillin

[quiet spindle]

I love the new staff so much! I thought it would be overloaded with effects, but it turns out I like the sound and the rainbow beam!🌈

[echo sail]

Took me a minute to get used to the sound, but it is nice.

Certainly different.

[quiet spindle]

Why does Avakot call his Empress Rora? Isn't that strange? And the merchant Avakot the same one? In my localization, his name is Sprout Avakot, and I assumed he was his son.

[echo sail]

Nothing quite like swinging around a barnicle-encrusted glass sphere of seawater.

-# the sloshing noises are great 😄

[quiet spindle]

I had the same with mage set. I thought it would be ugly. But when I put it on, it be the best looking mage set in the game... not that there are many of.

[echo sail]

Just gotta hide that weird hat

The robes are dope AF.

Need me a proper pointed, wide-brimmed, wizard hat.

[finite tree]

I def want the robes but getting them to drop is another story

[quiet spindle]

I hear ice in the glass, lol

[echo sail]

I gave up and bought them and the new magic weapons the other day. I'm not waiting months for them to drop. Bad enough I've been not getting my gath drops for over a year now.

I can live a while longer without yet-another-melee weapon, but I'm a mage by choice, a warrior only when I have to be. I need that mage loot.

[quiet spindle]

The drop rate is terrible. I farm three days in groups with many people in the chat to get almost all the parts and the staff from 3х orders. I just need the legs... but now I only get the hat and robe.

[quiet spindle]

This. I call purple mockers aggressive battle mages, lol. I thought they were mages because of the hat.

[echo sail]

Yeah, I'm still surprised that armor set isn't more spirit-focused than it apparently is.

[finite tree]

I’m being stubborn when it comes to the wazzard gear. I know the team will adjust drop rates after I buy it…so I’ll hold off for now.

[echo sail]

Yeah, I don't blame you. If it were warrior or archer or thief gear, I'd do the same.

[quiet spindle]

I really like it. It's so unusual. It's another mystery, why it's not Wazzard's set. I want that book in front eyes!

[echo sail]

I hope they figure out how to add dual bonus reqs to things so that we can qualify for virtue bonuses via more than one path on gear. Without that, everything feels waaaay too narrow.

With it, things like the mockery set become viable for mages AND archers, and it's just so much better

The Dewellion would be availible to mages then too, which would be awesome.

[quiet spindle]

There's something odd about mages in general. Considering the default character in all the trailers uses a staff and Oscelda, in game practically no equipment for mages and definitely no pacts.

[echo sail]

Tethren and oscelda work great on my spirit build.

One upside to the recent changes is that weirdly pacts feel less virtue-specific now.

Outside of like, Orengall, because it both allows for a kind of stealth and because its howl now grants grace

but for courage and spirit pacts, they're a lot more interchangeable IMO

Really tethren would probably work great on a dwellion grace build as well. Tethren is just awesome.

It's like warframe's Rhino: more damage, more defense, less trying to deal damage directly, and more utility so our weapons shine brighter.

[formal galleon]

I dont have the third pendant even though I completed it and the game said I got it

[pulsar orchid]

1 - It's a holdover from when Alora used to be named Aurora (or 'Rora for short) back until they renamed her with Founders in Nov 2025.

2 - Yep, Avakot is Avakot no matter where he sprouts up! Same guy - he just offers enclave-specific stuff when you visit him in the enclave

[austere robin]

okay first thing i love about p13
the ducks mobbing up on the ode'n conductor

🤌

[nocturne marten]

Hi folks, quick question. Do I need to be fairly established account wise to tackle the Organ content before I go looking for it?

[sonic sequoia]

It shouldn't be overly difficult.

The north one is easier iirc.

But if you can kill enemies between lvl 20-30 it should be doable.

[nocturne marten]

Gotcha, thanks. Is this content in a static spot?

[sonic sequoia]

Yeah, there are three places.

[neon slate]

All hail the ducks

And the beavers in the air intakes

[nocturne marten]

Just to verify, I first free the animals at the bottom, then climb up the elevator and stop the person by the dials? Is that the Organ encounter or is there more to do?

[mortal girder]

thats basically it ye

Free the Animals, Open the grates at the bottom of the tower so the animals can climb inside, wait for the Organ to open and kill the Banneret, break the 4 parts of the core and climb up, kill the conductor, use the Organ to break all the glowing parts on the outside.

[nocturne marten]

Ah, thank you, I was missing that last step.

Didn't think I could play the machine lol

[mortal girder]

np

[nocturne marten]

And now I keep repeating this to try and get the wizard gear I reckon.

[mortal girder]

pretty much yeah. i heard its like 3 hour cooldown for each tower

[nocturne marten]

Ah I see, that makes sense.

[wispy wind]

• this is an english-only server (rule 2)
• don't beg for keys (#envoy-gathering message)

[quiet spindle]

But he is her subject. So it's the same as if the English called Queen Elizabeth "Hey, our Roro-."

[pulsar orchid]

Yep that's right! We used to call her 'Queen Liz', so it fits right in. With Alora it also makes you wonder what kind of ruler she was, how she treated the sproutfolk and other beings, etc. And with the fact that DE have told us to fear her / not trust her makes it even more interesting 👀

[quiet spindle]

Wow, that's interesting . I just had a theory that Avakot thinks of her as a sister, and I thought that was interesting case. Where from the information that she's a villain? All I know about her is the video from the Founders trailer, where she was really angry. And as far as I understand, saving her in the future is our goal. It would be funny, if she wanted to remain captive to destroy Ode from within but we ruin her plan.

[pulsar orchid]

Where from the information that she's a villain?

It's mostly from this line in the '2026 roadmap' poem https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1466905141968896225:

"Fear the Fey who speaks in threes"

We know this refers to Alora as it's the same wording used in Jennifer English's voice actress reveal:

"I had the strangest dream, you see. Of a faerie who spoke in threes."

And then in the 10th Feb Envoy hour, Sydney made more of a point about not trusting the Fey who speaks in threes, though I can't remember her exact phrasing

And there's the Founder trailer like you say, where she crushes a spirit guide, and says 'betray me again' - either to the player, or to the Wyld Fey / Wyld Envoys (we still don't know what Wyld Tethren etc are meant to be sadly since they changed from the Primordials)

It would be funny, if she wanted to remain captive to destroy Ode from within but we ruin her plan.

Hahaha yeah that would be a really interesting twist!! I still wonder why we can't trust her, we have a shared enemy with the Ode, so we've gotta work together to save Alca but then there's a history of conflict between human and Fey so who knows

[quiet spindle]

Maybe it nothing to do with us? I mean, we're their relatives. And we have three classes, three covenants, and all that. We're changelings and their relatives.

[pulsar orchid]

True maybe it's the Ode who are meant to fear her! Just like they should fear us

[void nacelle]

what a bug why my weapon not 5 star scalling when i use blessing iradis

[candid marsh]

where does the bear spawn at night?

[stuck stream]

i just need a code T.T

[worldly jewel]

you can get one guaranteed from next tuesdays envoy hour stream via twitch drops

[stuck stream]

tks

[ripe geyser]

Can u do the triune talisman pieces back-to-back? Or is there a cooldown?

[sonic sequoia]

1 (in-game) day cooldown.
But you can do Dusk and Dawn sequentially since the day changes inbetween.
Midnight tends to be finicky.

[fiery solstice]

Im 99 percent sure i did it back to back in p12

[quick bobcat]

There's also Murifuir, which has lore that there was some point at which Fey and Humans had an alliance. What we're lacking is just why that fell apart.

[wary grove]

Is the waste bear the current stand still of the main story? If so what do I do after. If not how do I start the next part of the story?

[sonic sequoia]

Waste Bear is the last quest implemented (if you don't count the mini-quest).
It is not necessarily the end as there is not a strict sequence.
Did you do Shewolf Snared?

[wary grove]

I don’t think so

[wary grove]

So I think im doing it rn and the wolf appeared but i think it went into the ground. And I cant find or interact with it

[sonic sequoia]

Try relogging, if this is just after freeing her it is normal, she will show up again later.

[wary grove]

Ok relogging worked ty

[fading viper]

Are there any rewards or unlocks for the new quests?

[sonic sequoia]

Dracs. 🤣

[austere robin]

special dracs at that

use at Avakot for a 0.001% discount

[quick bobcat]

Remember that mockery husk that we all wondered why it was laying there in the undercity at the end of on possible path of the light puzzel in the multi-level room with the water wheel? Well, it's ALIVE! er... UNDEAD!

[quiet spindle]

I just thinking about something. Ode not interest in rats. They catch only forest animals, but we have rats. And considering that all animals seem to be intelligent, turns out so we have rat-spies. I think that would make a cool story.

[quick bobcat]

They catch rats, too.

[quiet spindle]

From the week of playing I didn’t see no one cage with rats.

[quick bobcat]

Play longer. A week isn't really enough time. But welcome aboard.

[brittle laurel]

Yeah, I was about to say the rat cages are pretty rare! And I've being playing since Preludes 9 iirc... But maybe is just a Mandela Effect xD

[tired grotto]

can i enter this? this is inside a dungeon. the 2 deer statue was wraped by the roots

[mortal girder]

(putting this here just in case it might be spoiler in any way)

okay.. so had a thought.... They mentioned that later we would be able to upgrade our pacts into the Wyld versions through some sort of fey ritual in the future, maybe through Empress Alora? I was thinking that what if the Ode Tempest pact got an Wyld version? given that it would be through some fey ritual, would the Wyld Tempest pact be broken off from the Oden and give it a more natural look to it? Maybe the spheres would be like thunderstones or something instead of the metal spheres the Oden use.

I dunno man my brain is BUZZING with ideas

[brittle laurel]

Destroy the moaners around this place. Look up a little, sometimes are up. That should destroy the roots...

[tired grotto]

omg thank u, i got it

[quick bobcat]

Step 1: Turn off fog.
Step 2: destroy moaner.
Step 3: re-kill mockeries.
Step 4: Look at the murals in the side rooms.
Step 5: Turn the statues to match the murals.
Step 6: Loot the chest in the room after the door opens.

[mortal girder]

we really need some sorta light source in the game lmao

[pulsar orchid]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1447350129118941357 https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1441092295419232489 give 'em a +1!

[quick bobcat]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440214171789688964

[tired grotto]

1. fog turned off
2. moaner destroyed
3. mockeries dead
4. murals weird
5. statues wont match murals
6. now stuck with statue position puzzle
   (me dumb)

[quick bobcat]

Try taking a screenshot of the mural on the left, and one of the mural on the right.

[tired grotto]

right

left

[quick bobcat]

Faces towards door.

[quick bobcat]

Faces to the right.

[tired grotto]

oh my god how

how u understand the murals

[quick bobcat]

It's the direction of the deer's head in the murals.

[tired grotto]

ok i understand it now a bit, thanks a lot dude

[mortal girder]

you can also use Spirit Sight

[quick bobcat]

Doesn't work on those ones.

[mortal girder]

it will highlight the head

what i thought this was for the quest

[worldly jewel]

Doesnt do anything for the mural puzzles outside of the torment stag quests ones

[tired grotto]

i tried the sight but didnt work

[worldly jewel]

Nop

[mortal girder]

ooooh

[quick bobcat]

No. This is for the loot room inthe glades.

[mortal girder]

well still basically uses the same thing. just face it like the mural

still think the murals should have been damaged in some way to FORCE you to use the Sight

[quick bobcat]

Anyhow... understaning the murals is fairly easy. just face toward the mural and aim/block towards it. Back up out of the nook/side room, and strafe over to the statue. Make the statue face the way the deer mural was looking.

Repeat for the other one.

[brittle laurel]

To be fair, the murals in the Garren Rod tale were not working to solve it. I tried because i was unaware you could use the spirit sight to solve it. iirc, the heads in spirit sight do not match the murals in that tale in particular.

[quick bobcat]

It would be nice if they added the spirit sight to the loot room ones. They had it way back when, but removed it at some point.

[mortal girder]

yeah i need more uses for the Spirit Sight mechanic than smite and highlighting loot

[quick bobcat]

Most of the puzzles have it highlight the puzzle pieces.

[mortal girder]

maybe have walls that can be broken or opened have a rune or something on it that can only be seen in the Sight, kinda like how the Circade has the three runes you gotta kill the boss next to

[quick bobcat]

Doens't even need a rune. Could just be something like spirit sight makes glowing cracks appear.

Anyhow... I neeed to get some rest. Take care.

[tired grotto]

can this be open?

[brittle laurel]

If it can't break with attacks, I belive it can't be open, no...

[worldly jewel]

that would be a no

[mortal girder]

no its just blocking the way cause dungeons are randomized so that is basically a connection point to another tile

[worldly jewel]

not even that

[pulsar orchid]

This doorway is never a connecting tile, I think canonically it's the back entrance to the Drippin' Flagon in Salzbrim (hence the tankard displayed on the wall above)

It'd connect to the Undercity door that you see in the Rose Enclave but can't go through - it's either an abandoned idea by the devs, or an upcoming way to sneak out via the Undercity, or maybe it's just there as worldbuilding to explain how the Rose get around undetected

It might also just be a generic boarded up tavern from back when the Undercity was inhabited and have nothing to do with the undercity door in the enclave - two separate taverns

[worldly jewel]

find that 2nd option more likely considering there's an old tavern in Terpeth District too

[candid marsh]

how do you do the highest level faction quests? is 30 it? I saw a chart that had up to level 50 but the stuff in NE is only 30ish

[modest thunder]

can't currently get tales at 40+, so the NE is the highest we can do rn

[candid marsh]

bummer. where does the new bear boss spawn? night only right?

[modest thunder]

same places stag can show up, and yeah night only. also tales, but tales are a bit buggy rn

[spiral vessel]

Also stag can vanish when it gets day. I was in the middle of the fight and it just despawned

[candid marsh]

feels weird we have to choose cogah or faction rep and can't earn faction rep other than tales.

[spiral vessel]

That coward!

[modest thunder]

I might have to leave soulframe forever if I could eventually get to the point where 1 mission capped my daily tho...

[viral prism]

Are there no tales in Cogah?? Damn that is a shame

[viral prism]

No way a tale would give 20k rep 💀

[modest thunder]

level 1,000 faction tales

[viral prism]

At that point let the Ode win bruv

That is just a whole ass war man

[modest thunder]

do you let the demons win when you play doom?!

[viral prism]

Mannn we over here with a sword and a birb! We not the doomslayer 😂 😂

Although

Romp stomp 😂 😂 😂

[modest thunder]

odeslayerguy

[viral prism]

John soulframe the odeslayer

[delicate geyser]

Hello

[viral prism]

hello

[pale ocean]

Is there supposed to be a boss fight in organ? What am I doing wrong

I feel like I recall that

[modest thunder]

there's a boss when you open the doors, but no ultimate boss at the end

[pale ocean]

Gotcha

[viscid robin]

@tawdry mantle

[hazy plover]

he was born ready

[echo sail]

Fun to see devs get in game and say funny things like this in chat. lol

[finite tree]

Hello! Please see server rule #2 and keep the conversation to English.

[mystic spire]

Sent a DM so we can speak in portuguese

[worldly jewel]

Dont ask for keys here.
You can get one from the stream on 24th as a twitch drop

[gray fern]

what channel

[worldly jewel]

PlaySoulframe is the channel

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1469343055785103402

Gotta link your twitch to your soulframe account jsyk

[fervent basin]

merry go round says I'm too tall to ride

[final sage]

sees Spirit of Ichor quest
30 minutes until night

[mortal dragon]

It's still worth taking it to see if it works rq, it's like a 50/50 or so for the spawn point to be there and they pop up during the day

[final sage]

Aw ye it's happening

[long cape]

Does anybody have details on how exactly the Cogah talismans "get better"? Is it worth investing in these?

[keen mirage]

Okay, I'm sorry

[brittle laurel]

It seems that for now the "evolution" of this talismans while doing the Cogah still not work as a mechanic. Maybe is something they'll implement in the future (?)

[mortal dragon]

I saw someone got some parts of it working for their cogah grind, but the virtue scaling doesn't really go up

[raw pasture]

Do you even get wazzard set from the Organ ? i am almost at my 16th run of the organ and not a single frag has dropped (before and after patch btw)

[mortal dragon]

It's still bugged rn but worse, yeah

[worldly jewel]

yeppp

[oblique crystal]

I belive the faction vendors premium item
"Gildaur: Blessed by ..."
Changes every now and then
When does it change and is there a mechanic for knowing what it will change to?

[rich ingot]

It does not, it changes based on which Faction you're with. kith always sells Blessed by Mora, Rose Blessed by Sapphene, and Children Blessed by Iridis.

Avakot's Gots also sells Blessed Joineries, and that does rotate along with the rest of his shop every 2 hours.

[candid marsh]

are there any shortcuts getting from the mendicant king area to the spider boss without using a seed?

[oblique crystal]

@rich ingot my avacado is selling me blessed by mora 😉

[rich ingot]

Where is he?

[oblique crystal]

shop from world tree

shop in well

[rich ingot]

That's Avakot's Gots, not the Faction Shop

Those Joineries would be for Arcs, not Faction Rep

[oblique crystal]

Ah then i rephrase my question, does the joinery for arks change, if so when

[rich ingot]

Yes, once every 2 hours along with the rest of his goods

His shop contents are also synced across all player worlds

So if he's selling Scrap Brass, all players will be able to buy his Scrap Brass, not just you

That being said; His Blessed joineries are bought for Premium Currency, so most consider it best to not buy from him and either farm faction rep or farm the joineries directly via bosses

[pulsar orchid]

You can get from Stroaic to the enclaves by entering the eternium instance selection screen and then leaving - however getting further north I think your best bet is just sprinting whilst asking for a taxi in chat

[oblique crystal]

whats the most efficient way to farm standing with avacados?

[brisk juniper]

I will also add that he doesnt have them in shop most of the time. I see it very rarely.

[quick bobcat]

I really hope they make that thing part of a cool puzzle.

[fervent basin]

oh super agreed. every time I find a functional puzzle in this game I'm delighted. and every time I find something that could or should be a puzzle and it kinda doesn't do anything, I am so sad

[quick bobcat]

Same as farming standing with the other factions. Do 3 star missions in high level area.

[urban wedge]

Is there currently a way to see who ??? is in-game? Like triggering a cutscene? I know it's ||Alora because I saw the announcement w/ Jennifer English and that promo around the Game Awards that showed her trapped in the cage||, I was just wondering if there's something in the game's story so far. Do I have to get all the trees?

Oh and in a similar vein, I did 2 of those Ocarina statues to get those beautifully drawn flashback cinematics. Is there a third one yet? I keep trying statues but they just give me the usual rewards. Is there something I have to do first?

[crimson solar]

yeah there are 3, the wiki map has em marked

[urban wedge]

Ah, specific ones, gotcha, ty

[crimson solar]

you get a bow too

[urban wedge]

Oh right! Forgot I was getting its fragments

[thin goblet]

non cogah? which spider boss ? or both?

generally people missing the one in front of grandfa grass hut

[quick bobcat]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Juniper

The flashbacks are WIP. Just the storyboards for the eventual actual cinematics.

[austere robin]

-# (i personally think they should stay tbh)

[quick bobcat]

I'd rather have the more proper ones that might be interactive, as DE mentioned way back when...

[urban wedge]

Wouldn't mind a mix of both

Like maybe we have the current ones, then actual interactive cutscene ones

[fervent basin]

ohhh I really like the old school cinematics ❤️

but, well, I'm a ghoulie weirdo who likes playing games from 1998

like buddy you could put a Myst like literally a grainy video tape of just some guy and' I'd be like "yay!"

[wraith stag]

3 what exactly?

[rich ingot]

Juniper statues

[rancid pumice]

Found this in Roods, cant interact with it. Does anyone know what is this?

[rich ingot]

It's a random mushroom

Seemingly at the wrong scale, missing the collider and interact scripts.

Someone probably just added the model asset there by mistake

[finite tree]

Supershroom

[rancid pumice]

ty, thought its related to a quest or something

[fleet solar]

got the same bug and reported on "bug-tracking"

[grave sentinel]

what in the, imagine that as your apartment (hut???) deco lol

[quiet spindle]

A thought from outer space: Aurora, Mother, and the Inquisitor are the same person. I hope not, I don't want the story of Lotus 2.

[halcyon cobalt]

I got a Maestro (Thawtide bow) fragment after defeating an Agari, are all the Thawtide fragments acquireable through different events and bosses? I ask because I am still really bummed about missing out on farming for Rostrum

[urban wedge]

I'm getting vibes that Alora isn't really a friend, but moreso using us

our goals align but she doesn't actually care

but I am very new and I just barely finished the quests

[keen lantern]

Alora is a baddie.

[quiet junco]

Alora is Fey, with everything that entails, not our mother or the inquisitor though

[brittle laurel]

My understanding after the Bromius fable, I thought that "betray me again" is because we already betrayed her when indoctrinated by the Ode and delivering her (as the seed) to Synod...

[quiet spindle]

I also think the arm is just the first stage, and when we're in power prime, the pact will cover the entire body. I hope not, again, very Warframe.

[quiet junco]

I don't know if the Envoy specifically betrayed her or she's talking about the ancient betrayal by the first Envoys during the Felling

Also not sure if the sap dream is a past event or a possible future one, considering the sap is meant to give future dreams

[quiet spindle]

I'm still inclined to think that Bayor is us in the past. And that wolf is a wolf from a cage. So Nightshade really did die. Nightling. I really don't want a story about an evil twin brother -_-

What also confused me was that the wolf wasn’t at all against it and was happy to see her owner.

[brittle laurel]

Did the one who took Nightling had also a envoy arm? I do not remember from the cinematic T_T

[quiet junco]

The pup doesn't know Bayor is bad it's a pup, it's just happy it's being pet

[pulsar orchid]

I'm still inclined to think that Bayor is us in the past

But you meet and hear Bayor in Shewolf Snared when he kidnaps Nightling

And also Sydney told us that Bayor is a 'mirror to the player envoy' so it makes sense if he's an envoy who hasn't escaped that dark path, whereas we have

[quiet spindle]

I thought it was like the vision with Acorn. And I hope, without alternative timelines.

[pulsar orchid]

Yes, they told us some (but not all lol) of the new drop sources in the patchnotes:

[pulsar orchid]

The acorn vision was when you were high on sap, but I don't think you were high on anything during Shewolf Snared?

[quiet junco]

The armor is not, only the weapons, so you can get Rostrum still but will have to wait until Thawtide at the end of the year for the armor/talisman/bird skins

[wanton vigil]

the mega shroom. we are soon going to get gnomes.

[quiet spindle]

It's still a mystery to me why the wolf wasn't afraid of him.

[viral prism]

Man I fr don’t remember this guy. I gotta replay it again. I even watched someone else play it and still don’t remember this moment when we meet Bayor

Either I genuinely have bad memory or I somehow close my eyes whenever he gets mentioned

[pulsar orchid]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Tempest_Bayor has pretty much everything about him, there's not much info for now

If you go onto his quotes at the bottom it might ring more of a bell

[viral prism]

Damn

I genuinely don’t remember 😅

[pulsar orchid]

You can replay shewolf tbf, that's his first appearance other than the juniper memories

oh and you can replay juniper memories in journal 😄

[viral prism]

Yeah I really should 😂

[pulsar orchid]

probably what howl said #spoiler-chat message

[rancid pumice]

Le2831420!

[quiet spindle]

But Nightling knew what happening to her. As Orengall said, her daughter was cunning and she warned her mother about the enemies.

[worldly jewel]

That was Ciar warning about the enemies no?

[quiet spindle]

Hmm...I remember all the wolves asking for help. But only at the end, when Orengall heard the howls, she say, "My daughter is weak but cunning, she's warning us that the enemies are ready. " And there's a tank.

[quiet junco]

Cunning for a wolf pup sure, aware of what was happening and who Bayor is? Doubtful

[halcyon cobalt]

awesome! I really just wanted the Rostrum anyways

[quiet spindle]

I'm so worried the developers will abandon the idea of ​​a unique universe and just collaborate everything with Warframe. That would be a disaster for me.

[worldly jewel]

Dont really see why they'd do that

[rain badge]

I think they may have just woke up from a bad dreamm

[worldly jewel]

that i can see

[quiet spindle]

The plot is just very Warframish. Again the same mother-children relationship, again the caged triune goddess-mother, again the evil doppelganger. And then bam – it's all a prequel to Duviria, the technocyte was invented by fairies and everyone died out, some ended up on Earth and remained under the Siberian ice.

[worldly jewel]

sure it might be like... in that kind of way similar but it's still wildly different

considering afawk our own mother's long gone

[rain badge]

Wyldly different indeed

[quiet junco]

There are some repeating themes sure but I would not really consider the Envoy's mother to be at all similar to the Lotus or Bayor to be similar to Wally, and I don't think Alora is meant to be motherly at all

[mortal girder]

man i really want Bayors armor ngl

[brisk juniper]

If anything Alora seems like a ***** to me for some reason

[mortal dragon]

Another bot on this one

[urban bloom]

Need mount or put teleport free

[quick bobcat]

Eh. I think it looks extra-goofy.

[quick bobcat]

What's weird is the change to "Alora". Especially since now, that line in the world tree about why she has the name doesn't make sense.

[pulsar orchid]

Yeah, the name is nice but if they're going to retcon they need to do it thoroughly, the 'dancing skies' line needs removing as do all of Avakot's 'Aurora/'Rora' lines

[urban wedge]

Wonder what prompted that change

[urban wedge]

Mounts are coming in future updates, the wolf pups will eventually grow and be rideable

[urban bloom]

for walk in map its bored

or put the tree free

[quick bobcat]

Maybe the voice actor had troubles saying "aurora"? Maybe they just wanted something more fanciful sounding?

[austere robin]

probably to split up the similarities with 'kot saying "in 'Roras name do we tend this plane"
and the ode's "in Rorca's? name"

but then again who knows. the magic of actively-being-developed games

but even for kots line it doesn't exist anymore since there's no enclave specific ending quips to tales anymore

[frank marten]

im pretty sure they are actualy say by rogath's name

[quick bobcat]

Hard to tell what the ode are saying 99% of the time. They need to enuciate better to overcome the sound of talking with a bucket over their head.

[dusky kernel]

Heyy

[quick bobcat]

Would help if we had a subtitles option.

[quick bobcat]

hello.

[dusky kernel]

What's up

[frank marten]

Rovgat's

found the actual name they are saying in that voiceline

[dusky kernel]

Does anyone want to add me as a friend

They can if they want

[mortal girder]

the helm yeah, i mostly just want the chest and legs to go with Ode Tempest

[halcyon barn]

If you ever wondered what does the middle spinning mechanism in Organ does when you destroy it, here you go 🙂

[sonic sequoia]

That opens up by destroying the Organ itself as far as I know.

[halcyon barn]

it opens for me when i destroy that part

[sonic sequoia]

Undestroyed, and open.

Will try to see if destroying the generator opens it early, but if so that is new to this patch.

[halcyon barn]

thats why i posted it, it opens it the moment you take down generator before even going to top floor

[sonic sequoia]

Yep, can confirm, it opens as soon as the generator is destroyed.
The fact that it also opens at event end might be a bug then.

[halcyon barn]

maybe because we destroy it completely ?:)

[sonic sequoia]

🤷‍♂️
I reported it in any case.

[quiet spindle]

Whaaaaat. Ahahaha. The chest really is hidden very good xD

[remote seal]

30 organs in, never knew this existed

[sonic sequoia]

The chest was added with H4.

[viral prism]

brother what??? Has that just been added?

[halcyon barn]

seems like it

[winter wren]

Sometimes i feel like there are too many people at the organ

[viral prism]

JESUS CHRIST HAS THE GREAT ODE'N WAR BEGUN????

[winter wren]

is that not normal?

[quick bobcat]

Hard to see anything for the fog.

[naive inlet]

Less fog

[winter wren]

thats liek 1/3 of them at the organ too

[viral prism]

bro i am not getting so many of them XDDD

[winter wren]

would of been atleast 100 mobs

[halcyon barn]

The hollowing rune would make a great fire show

[quick bobcat]

Cue Army Of Darkness explosive arrows vs skeletons.

[radiant raven]

So many runs and I have NEVER grabbed that chest 💀

[sonic sequoia]

Fun fact, when it is a wooden chest, it seems to use the Glades droptable (Orengall's Fang).

[jovial fog]

Can someone invite me to play?

[spiral vessel]

Finally got my wazzard set only had to aquire like 14 erstroots

[sonic sequoia]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440059025508143256

[surreal wind]

where is the circade cyrpts entrances again?

are*

[sonic sequoia]

Castle Kreanhold (south), Fort Kreanhold (middle), and Mirifuir (north).

[eager elm]

North-East swamp Tree has highest level Tales?

[placid pagoda]

theres missing lvls

both the 2 NE trees have a slight chance of lvl 36-42 I think

Ive seen it before in p13

[sonic sequoia]

I know, just did a single pass.
But it does give the idea.

[placid pagoda]

yeah

[sonic sequoia]

Wait 42?!? 👀
Nice.

[rich ingot]

Pretty sure there was a rmour of the SouthEastmost tree giving the level 40+ tales that give 1750 rep each

Not sure it was ever proven, though

[final sage]

Tomorrow i get my last virtue prismn, and also the last pact i need in the game, so excited :D

[tawny ferry]

Does anyone know what this shroom is for?

[rich ingot]

Suspect it's a bug

[tawny ferry]

I can't interact with it, looks like a bug indeed

[frank marten]

every pic ive seen of a big shroom has always been next to that exact house it seems

[hidden iris]

Have you guys been getting the secret chests with every organ or am I the only one missing them?

[shut orbit]

Is there more after the bear boss fight?

More content I mean

[mystic spire]

Quests? No
Gear to farm? Yeah quite a bit

Maybe otengall's quest because sometimes people miss that one

[rich ingot]

They only got added last hotfix it seems

[hidden iris]

Since Videos are sorta frowned upon, here is a nice image that gets to the point right away.

[fading viper]

Does anyone know what's with the giant mushroom in Roods?

[hidden iris]

Have you ever played Mario?

[fading viper]

-_- i'm asking an actual question.

[modest thunder]

just a bug

[quick bobcat]

It's either a bug, or a fun decoration.

[urban wedge]

Ohhhhh

[quick bobcat]

Personally, I hope they add the other mushroom types to the corral at Roods and make all of those giant and uninteractable, too. Or add some to other locations. And just have them there for whimsical decoratin.

[urban wedge]

I've been breaking those but I thought I just wasn't getting loot from them, I didn't know they were opening something else

[hidden iris]

I dont think many ppl knew

[mystic spire]

Calling those chests loot is very generous tbh

[urban wedge]

1 moranite is 1 moranite

[quick bobcat]

Do they not give anything?

[urban wedge]

I'm quite early game so I definitely appreciate it

[urban wedge]

Resources, not fragments

[mystic spire]

It just doesnt take long before they dont have anything usefull in it's lootpool

[quick bobcat]

Hey, resources are loot. Maybe they could up the amount in those particular chests later on.

[urban wedge]

It's not like those chests are particularly hard to get

But yeah a little bit more resources never hurt

[quick bobcat]

It's part of an event. They want people to do events, so giving an event a slightly better than usual resource gain might help beyond the "do this for wazzard gear" thing.

[mystic spire]

Yeah that would be nice

[quick bobcat]

For now, they've got whatevr kind of chest there. In the future, it might be a unique chest.

[mystic spire]

Supposedly (as far as the wiki crew gathered) that chest type doesnt have much of a drop pool

[jovial mica]

Does anyone know why some of the areas are saturated in ichor? i assume thats what the area with the Wazzard and the stone towers are? Are those things that predate the ode or are they crashed skytowers that sort of "spilled" ichor into the area around them?

[quick bobcat]

It's showing the extent of the ode terraforming/polution.

Ichor didn't exist on Midrath until the ode got here.

[jovial mica]

Ah, yes in the New Visci description it is talking about a fallen to (sky)tower

Its the towers i had trouble with, just wondered how they factored in

[quick bobcat]

Ichor is what the ode are made out of. It's highly toxic in liquid and gaseous from to all Alcan life.

Similarly, clean water and fresh air are toxic to the ode.

That's why the doctor behind the Organ is dying. He went around without an ode helmet to filter the air. Similar to how humans taken to skytowers have to have a Brazen Lung to filter out the ichor air.

[jovial mica]

Yeah, those journal entries were interesting

[quick bobcat]

So, whatever planet the Ode are from, humans wouldn't even consider it capable of life. Similar to how the Ode view Alca.

[hidden iris]

Due to the duality of the Fey and the Ode + Family references + lifestyles, I feel they may be split from the same race from a long time previous

[oblique crystal]

https://youtu.be/Mojlo-qvSJc

We went home...

[quick bobcat]

Nope. They're space aliens.

The Ode use the Spellsong to mind control people. They use it to make humans think the ode belong on Alca. Thus, the whole "family" lie.

The ode are actively also destroying any form of Alcan history they can locate. Any proof against the spellsong.

Anyone who suggest the ode come from Alca are lying to themselves and blatantly ignoring the lore. We have enough in-game to solidly nail that coffin shut.

[modest thunder]

nobody says the ode come from alca, but the sinecure aren't confirmed to be ode either

[hidden iris]

There are reasons

And taking ANY lore as fact right now is pretty foolish as it can change get ret-conned at any point

[modest thunder]

i mean sure, but what exactly supports that

just curious where it came from

[hidden iris]

Many fantasy tropes, irl fey lore, things such as that

Especialyl since there are heavy Eldritch tones/themes

[quick bobcat]

Incorrect. They can't drink water without ichor in it.

[modest thunder]

yeah and we're gonna have an ichor based pact

clear signs of augmentation also

[hidden iris]

We did get spoilers of that pact arm right?

[modest thunder]

i mean i see a little bit of it, just not any that supports like supports them being former natives

[hidden iris]

At least concepts. It was skeletal witha bell

[quick bobcat]

As the Organ notes point out, Ode physiology isn't compatible with Alca. They're trying to terraform the world so they don't have to alter themeselves to handle the planet.

[echo sail]

Anything is possible at this point, but yeah, the lore I've seen has pointed to them just being aliens trying to gaslight the planet into accepting them.

[hidden iris]

thats the one with the bell I was talking about

[echo sail]

Knowing DE though, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a plot-twist later where they reveal they were from here originally.

[hidden iris]

And yeah, a lot of the lore points to a conquering faction

[rich ingot]

That is the funniest description of terraforming we've seen tbh

[quick bobcat]

That was said as a corruption pact.

[echo sail]

Glad ya like it, but i was being a bit literal

the whole spellsong and 'family' shenanigans is almost textbook gaslighting

magically enhanced, sure, but here we are

[quick bobcat]

It's not refencing the terraforming. It's referenceing the spellsong/conquering/enslavement aspect.

[rich ingot]

True! Although, if the Ode had their way they'd all be dead soon.

We know Alcan's can't breathe Ode air.

[hidden iris]

That part reminds a lot of the Warframe bit, where Natah did her shenans with Tenno

[echo sail]

Yeah DE clearly has some favorite psycological tropes they like to use

[quick bobcat]

It's more like what Ballas did with the Narmer masks.

[hidden iris]

Do we have a timeline reference as to when the war happened and the mirifuir blessing?

[rich ingot]

Clearly it's what the Orokin did to the Warframes with the Transference Bolts

[echo sail]

DE's. Favorite. Psych. Tropes.

I keep sayin'

Similar themes like that recur a LOT

[quick bobcat]

We have some bits and pieces of timeline. Fonnish charge that killed Mendicant and his men, thus creating the Knightmaidens. Some parts of the cassid invasion that Fenn stopped...

[hidden iris]

I gotta tell ya first time I did the second dream quest it blew my mind for sure.

[quick bobcat]

Murifuir is said to have stood for a thousand years.

[oblique crystal]

Dunno how i got in there in under an hour 😛

[rich ingot]

The Fey seems to have left sometime between the Quiet Years and the Fonnish Charge

[hidden iris]

Which leads me to believe the ones that left, that stayed, and the veil all have some relation to a factional split

[quick bobcat]

I need to go through and get some screenshots of stuff involving the timeline and such. I have a few that I got moved to proper folders, but it'll be easier to just take more than sift through my folder of old screenshots.

[rich ingot]

Do we know of any that stayed aside for Alora?

[quick bobcat]

We also don't know if they actually left.

[hidden iris]

No clue where Oscelda or Tethren are. We know Oscelda was of the Eldveil (possibly same as the veil), but no word where Sirin or Tethren COULD be

[rich ingot]

True, we only know they are no longer mentioned in the lore beyond a certain point in the timeline and have not appeared at all in the game.

[hidden iris]

We dont even know of Sirin and Tethren had fealty to Alora

[rich ingot]

They were given gifts by her, implying some positive relationship

[quick bobcat]

Exactly. "Left" could just be that they decided to stop bothering with non-Fey events.

[hidden iris]

Not all gifts are rewards

Beware the fey that speaks in three

As Orlick more than likely got a Fey 'gift' in the form of his shoulder baby

[quick bobcat]

Blue arm is a "gift" but people started distrusting magic users with such blue arms. Alca had its own witch hunts.

[rich ingot]

We know the Envoys are descendants of a Fey or Fey-blessed bloodline at least, yeah?

Wonder if that has implications for our bio father's status.

[quick bobcat]

As we see in the Juniper fragments, it confers magical ability, but not neccisarily control. So it's possible that those without control could harm themselves, others, etc by not being able to control their magic. Like handing a toddler a chainsaw.

[quick bobcat]

We don't know exactly. It's possible that Envoys may be randomly chosen.

[hidden iris]

They are blessed by the Fey, as our mama was a Knightmaiden but did not have the fabled blue arm, so either it skips generations (as it was on our gramps) or it is given purely by Fey

[rich ingot]

Alora does imply it's a descendant thing at least in the new tutorial

Could be related to either our father, or skip generations

[quick bobcat]

Gramps may not be related to us.

[hidden iris]

Yeah, since gramps had it thats waht I meant by skipp gens

[rich ingot]

Grandfa was just an old dude who adopted us, not necessarily related by blood

[hidden iris]

Also leads to more questions about Bayor

[quick bobcat]

Gramps is simply an older Envoy who rescued us from going over the waterfall and raised us. Thus, adoptive father/grandfather figure. Since he's older, we view him more as a granpa.

[hidden iris]

and just where he sits in the line of Fey gifts

[rich ingot]

That actually might be something worth discussing: do we have any sense of Bayor's age

[hidden iris]

Also, Doyen is specifically said to be our Grampa

[rich ingot]

The Juniper cinematics show him rescuing us from the river after the fall of Castle Kearnhold

[hidden iris]

It is also possible that Bayor is not an Envoy so to speak, meaning if they are Fey blessed ther eis more to their 'gifts' than blue bloods

[quick bobcat]

People say he's the guy who captured us in the thrid juniper fragment.

[rich ingot]

So either he was our grandfather by Blood, and got incredibly lucky saving us, or he's just an Enviy outside our bloodline, imo.

[hidden iris]

I mean it could get retconned that he isnt our Gramps. Could happen

[rich ingot]

Gonna go look it up real quick

[rich ingot]

He is our Gramps, just not necessarily by blood

[hidden iris]

Ye, reinforcing my initial point of his role

And Bayor was the one who captured us

[quick bobcat]

Exactly. Trust me, I'm adopted IRL. Adopted as a baby. You don't make distinctions when you've only known your adoptive family all your life.

[rich ingot]

What we're wondering is, could Bayor be our blood father

A Knightmaiden, as best we know, is not capable of springing a child forth without some intervention of another person

[modest thunder]

i've lowkey been dreading a darth vader type situation

[hidden iris]

Oh man. that would be a hella twist

[quick bobcat]

I kinda doubt it. He might be maybe Gramps's actual son, though...

[hidden iris]

Our pops is going to be the 'stalker' like person of this game

[rich ingot]

Very possible

[modest thunder]

they've been way to hinty with the "dark mirror of the envoy" bit, it's possible

[quick bobcat]

When Envoy and Bayor actually meet:

[hidden iris]

I theorize that Bayor was forced into a gift after Alora was captured,

[rich ingot]

But yeah, if it's a bloodline thing...it does make you wonder as to who sired the Envoy

[modest thunder]

i hope not but ehhhh... they'd really do it

[hidden iris]

'The Force' lmao

[rich ingot]

Imagine if the Envoys were all the direct children of the actual Fey lmao

[hidden iris]

Bayor was raised by the Ode though

So it stands to reason we are siblings in some way.

[rich ingot]

"Yeah, my mom the Knightmaiden got freaky with Oscelda"

"That's why I have a blue arm and can summon a flock of ghost birds"

[hidden iris]

Bayor, the paragon/betrayer

[quick bobcat]

We don't know that. Could just be the helmet is akin to the dog helmets. Spellsong don't work on animals. But the ode are able to force it to work via the dog helmets.

[hidden iris]

Bayor's pact arm is also interesting:

In regards ot little Bayor lore we have:

*Their children raised in castles loft, made hunters grave of others not. - Doyen, Warsongs *

He MAY be Fey/Envoy or w/e, but was raised Ode

[quick bobcat]

That doesn't specifically refer to bayor. Just people in general since the Ode invasion.

[hidden iris]

And aside from his in game pact arm above, his concept art shows him having Ode Tempest as a pact

[quick bobcat]

It's possible Bayor was captured as we were.

[rich ingot]

We also don't know Bayor isn't Spellsonged, do we?

Like we were?

Or controlled the same way we were before we broke free?

[hidden iris]

The future sight seemd to indicate hesitation, so it is murky

though if he were spellsonged, unsure how theyd be aware of how/where to get a wevetseed for Synod

[quick bobcat]

That's what I said. The helmet might be akin to the dog helmets. #spoiler-chat message

[quick bobcat]

Same as how Deora knew how to corrupt Garren.

[hidden iris]

that was ichor doing the work, you could tell by the eyes

[quick bobcat]

You're grasping at straws.

[hidden iris]

Bayor is hands down Ode raised, the only issue is his birth and relation to us

aside from being mainly our opposite.

[quick bobcat]

Again, grasping at straws.

[hidden iris]

I mean, its basica storytelling and tropes.

IF you cant see that, you are just being adversarial for argument.

It is like saying

weeeeell orlick didnt get slapped by the fey

[modest thunder]

i just can't buy him being worthy of paragon if he was raised by the ode

[hidden iris]

Virtues are not solely or wholly 'good'

[modest thunder]

that's not it, it's being worthy of a weapon created by alora

[hidden iris]

Having a Fey gift/being an Envoy also does not relegate you to being 'good'

If it did Alora never would have been betrayed

[quick bobcat]

Tropes exist because they're well-worn paths. They're the familiar path. But they're not the only possible paths. Veering off the paths doesn't mean that something is bad. It's just being creative off the beaten path.

[modest thunder]

i'm not saying they're good, you can't even classify alora as such

[hidden iris]

Right on

The lore implication of Bayor's name being inscribed on the Paragon is indicative of the in game paragon when we can give it out to others, but with OUR name inscribed on it.

[rich ingot]

He still owned it though

[modest thunder]

that's not just the implication tho, it implies they were on good standing enough for her to make him a weapon.

[hidden iris]

Curious if there are more etchings on the blade

[quick bobcat]

Which would explain the idea that what we saw during waste bear might not be a memory from us...

[hidden iris]

Or he took it from someone and etched his own threat onto it over the progenitors name

[modest thunder]

you can read into the "made into hunters" line as a description for even the sinecure, it doesn't have to mean bayor

[hidden iris]

Oh no, he didnt take it from anyone. It was his hands down from Alora

[quick bobcat]

Or simply that the people in the villages are made to farm and harvest usable materials.

The Sinecure look down on the Thralls. Sinecure are mecenaries. Thus, they're not likely to actually do a lot of the "menial" work. That's what the thralls are for. Slave labor.

[hidden iris]

It wasnt, I could have sworn in the early envoy hours it was a 'flash forward' which retconned it from being a flashback.

[quick bobcat]

Usually when I mention this, people get upset.

So, we're at lest on the same page, there.

[rich ingot]

That's good context to have, accidental as it may be

The character in it does look almost identical to Bayor

But being masked and all, it could be the Envoy in a similar getup

[hidden iris]

It is implied with the transition of our Envoy into Bayor that it could be 'like us' but not actually us.

[quick bobcat]

We know only of the sap causing visions of the future. Nothing in any of the lore says it can bring back memories.

I interpreted it as Bromius trying to do a "this will come to pass, you can't change it" type of taunt.

[mortal girder]

I always thought Bayor and the three Wyld pacts were spellsonged and slew Alora's physical body

[hidden iris]

In that same dev hour they talk about inspirations for their story, which leads me down a path of the duality of the forces at play

Naturalists vs Tech

Mononoke was traditional paths vs industrialization

[quick bobcat]

The Wyld pacts existed way back in the past. They were the first Envoys.

[modest thunder]

i wouldn't say they're truly tech tho, it's just different

[hidden iris]

The NES was seemingly reality vs dreams

[hidden iris]

The Ode you mean?

[modest thunder]

like they have deities, and there seems to be power behind it

yeah

[hidden iris]

Yeye. Their gods are the constellations iirc

[modest thunder]

just saying i don't really feel the tech vs nature bit.. cuz in the end, the ode want nature just..different nature

[hidden iris]

all Cosmic and possibly Eldritch as they could be

[quick bobcat]

Eh. I see them as crazy cultists who have some magic and tech.

[mortal girder]

oh that gives me a thought... What if we and Bayor are similar in that we are able to use more than one Pact? Like Bayor was able to master all three Wyld pacts and Alora named him a Paragon? and we tecnically are a Paragon too since we can make pacts with more than one pact beast

[rich ingot]

(meaning Jolsafar and that lot, who may or may not be canon? That's not really clear)

[quick bobcat]

Also, they're probably a worm-squid thing under the humanoid suit.

[mortal girder]

Mind Flayer esque kinda creatures?

[quick bobcat]

No. Just little squidlike worm things. Like what pops out of the heads fo the Slayers in Krull.

[hidden iris]

I like that idea, BUT Paragon is linked to Virtues, not specific pacts

[modest thunder]

tbh pacts don't seem to be entirely unique. tethren's own battalion was said to be trained in tethren magics.

[hidden iris]

Which human legion was trained in the Tethren pacts?

I forget that all the time which is bad, since it seemingly was in part a contributing factor the human fey war

[modest thunder]

the solist warriors

[hidden iris]

Still so weird that the Fey would go to war with us, yet also befit Mirifuir with blessings, unless Mirifuir was ages prior to the war

[rich ingot]

The way we took that is that the Fey structured magick into spells, unlike the raw primordial magicks of the Celestials

[rich ingot]

Our assumption is that the humans did as the Wazzard attempted to do: stole the magick.

The Celestials make the Magick. The Fey structured the magick to follow their needs. The Humans stole the spells from the Fey

And the war began

[hidden iris]

This SORTA plays into the Fey and Ode being the same. IIF the Fey focused the Celestials power into Spells, the Ode could have been a faction that wa slike... hell nah we want the source. Thus dividing the Fey into two groups, of which one left for a space faring way.

[rich ingot]

Except the Ode don't worship the Celestials, they worship the stars beyond.

[hidden iris]

Constellations. Which in themselves can be described as Celestial bodies grouped together.

[modest thunder]

yeah, it's a little sus like that. there's plenty of info that survived til now but the reason why the fey decided to attack is not known? feels a bit suspicious

[rich ingot]

It feels very odd for them not to worship their original gods if they left and returned

[hidden iris]

A celestial body is a star/planet/planetoid

[rich ingot]

(Celestial also isn't an official term btw)

[quick bobcat]

Explain if the ode are fey, then why can't they exist on Alca without dying if they don't have protection from alca's air.

[modest thunder]

but the constellations would have to be seen from alca, since the point of view is too important

[rich ingot]

Personally use it to descript the 3 gods of Mora, Sapphene, and Iridis, separate from the other gods

[hidden iris]

Of yeah of course, I am just saying the part that might have split off wanted to the SOURECE of the power (Celestials) instead of just drawing on it and forming it to spells for ease of use.

[rich ingot]

Ah, that could make sense

Still not convinced the Ode are Fey though

[hidden iris]

But there is also a difference between soaking up power and then going to take it for yourself.

[rich ingot]

The Ode explicitly cannot breathe Alcan air

Or drink Alcan water

[hidden iris]

And this is where our timeline information would be really handy.

Because of the spellsong, we have no clues to how long ago things were

Or even what had happened prior with the Faun

[quick bobcat]

We have some clues. The ode invasion happene on the night of our birth.

[rich ingot]

Here's the timeline we do know: The Quiet Years, the War of Man and Fey, the Fonnish Charge, the Cassid Occupation, the Circade and the Baskers, and then the Ode Invasion.

In that order

[modest thunder]

i know that, but their constellation names would be something people would know. nothing implies ode constellations are familiar on alca so far, which doesn't really support a belief system that started on alca

[rich ingot]

We don't always know how long between these events was

We just know the order of them

Oh, also, someone's been raising the dead of the Quiet Years

We don't know why

[modest thunder]

we know some of those

cassid occupation was like 300 years ago

[rich ingot]

They seem to want everything dead though

[hidden iris]

Like the Midrathians would know or? Because they were completely wiped with the Spellsong

[rich ingot]

True!

[quick bobcat]

Maybe some psycho wiht magic.

[rich ingot]

Seems that way

Their spells are...disturbing.

[quick bobcat]

Crazy people with magic is fairly common.

[rich ingot]

The real question is: why the dead of the Quiet Years

[modest thunder]

we got people from midrath, dendria, and aurel at least so far

[rich ingot]

There's been many wars and battles and dead since then

Why the Quiet Years specifically to be bound to wooden husks

[hidden iris]

Doesnt the spell song make EVERY non-Ode forget everything?

[quick bobcat]

Maybe that's what they've got access to? Or just their favorite part of history?

[rich ingot]

Perhaps. We only see ghosts in a few places, some of which are well defended.

[modest thunder]

i mean sure, while it still affects them. we don't know the exact nature of it. and deora seemingly continues to trick them into thinking she works for them.

[rich ingot]

Ghosts are also found near more recent shipwrecks though...

[quick bobcat]

No. Only those who can hear it properly. Animals, Sproutfolk, Envoys, and people with bad or altered hearing are immune to spellsong.

[modest thunder]

the envoy themself also recovered memories after waking up

[rich ingot]

Except maybe not Envoys, the Envoy is immune but that could be related to why they were cast out.

[hidden iris]

Was teh song a one time thing? Like it rang out and mystified the Midrathians, then going forward people only knew what was currently happening. The only things to remember the past were the 'motes' that we collect for Orlick

[modest thunder]

i wanna say no, since mada does threaten to unleash it. it might be costly or dangerous to use.

[quick bobcat]

We see both Envoy and Doylen living a fairly normalish life duirng the ode occupatin until we get captured trying to help a wolf pup.

[hidden iris]

I meant in terms of it is used once and that memory/past is wiped living forward only. If it is ever used more its another full wipe, with only the forward living being known

[mortal girder]

it would be alot of work just for like... one or two people who broke out of the Spellsong lol

[rich ingot]

A very fair point

[modest thunder]

hmm, the way it's described it seems closer to brainwash than it being a forget ray. making people forget their culture and histories is telling cuz it doesn't say it makes them useless, more that they act completely different

[quick bobcat]

"... an Envoy ..." Suggests that multiple envoys at one time are possible.

[mortal girder]

i mean... Bayor is also alive and an Envoy

just... with the Ode

[quick bobcat]

Possibly not the only one.

[hidden iris]

That makes sense, it isnt an Avatar situation, but more like a Soldier

[mortal girder]

or like Warframe again where all the players are technically canon out there

[modest thunder]

oh i doubt that... that many envoys on this tiny island? goodbye ode!

[hidden iris]

I mean, in that regard with Eternalism, we are just a wild offshoot

[rich ingot]

Wonder if there are Envoys in other parts of Alca

Could the Cassids have Envoys?

[hidden iris]

Or even Skelfland

[rich ingot]

Also: which do you think we'll get first, omen toad or Atajan

Personally betting on Atajan since it seems like he'd come with the weapon arts book

And that would be a system to "aggressively change" like the plans have been said to be

[modest thunder]

i expect them to be everywhere, but for cassia... i expect them to be not be liked and/or hunted

[hidden iris]

Do we know what the Skelfies looked like?

[modest thunder]

we don't have a confirmation on whether or not fenn jotar was an envoy or not, but i kinda feel he was to be able to repel cassia the way he does

[quick bobcat]

If so, they didn't have them during the Cassid occupation of Midrath.

[hidden iris]

I mean he wears the Mora's Pride Pact

at least his Ghost does

[rich ingot]

Mora's Hand?

[hidden iris]

Do you HAVE to be an Envoy to use a pact?

[hidden iris]

Yes

[mystic spire]

Hard to say, although the toad concept was shown first

But is also placed second in the teaser poem, and what you said about weapon arts

[rich ingot]

Well, a pact seems to be layered over your blue arm, so...that's a really good question

[modest thunder]

well yeah, but it's ambiguous on how pacts are made and such and nothing explicitly says it was made before his death

[hidden iris]

What does being a 'Fey' let you do?

Rather, and Envoy of the Fey

[rich ingot]

Well, seemingly it lets you resurrect after death

And find a Familiar to guide you

Had assumed it let you make Pacts as well, but as you said that's maybe in dispute

Unless Mora's Hand is meant to be a Pact with Fenn Jotar

And not Mora

[modest thunder]

could be the case

[hidden iris]

But then Ode Tempest

[quick bobcat]

We don't know. We do know that Verminia is a witch, and doesn't have any indication of markings that a blue arm would have. So, it's possible thet magic users who aren't envoys could use pact magics. Likely a lesser from than the main form.

[mortal girder]

i think it is a pact with Mora, as Jotar says to take Mora's Hand

[hidden iris]

Surely a Fey wouldnt make a pact with an invader?

[rich ingot]

We do know beings outside of Envoys can use magick

The Cucibita Scarecrows are explicitly called out as a form of magick ritual iirc

[rich ingot]

A cleansed form of the tool that siphoned our power for Ode use, iirc

[hidden iris]

Maybe moras hand is like a 'spell' that is used to channel magicks and not actually being of the Fey itself.

[rich ingot]

Not all pacts are with Fey

You, the Envoy, make the Pact

[quick bobcat]

Omen Beasts are not Fey.

[rich ingot]

With various powers such as Omen Beasts

Or Celestial Gods

Or, sometimes, Fey

The Ode Tempest seems to be a technology that siphons off that Pactmaking ability to fuel its abilities.

Basically: magitech hacking of an ancient sacred power

[mortal girder]

i hope that when the Wyld Rituals come out and we start getting more Wyld pacts, that the Ode Tempest becoming the Wyld Tempest changes from using the metal Ode orbs to like stone orbs that conduct the lightning magic. Like lightning striking a mountaintop. Maybe even adding stone breaking through the Ode metal arm

[quick bobcat]

Yeah. DE said the spellsong is a result of the Ode learning that music is a key component in alcan magic, and thus hacking it.

[rich ingot]

The Ode treat Magick as Science

And have harnessed it as fuel for their own ends.

[hidden iris]

Enter the Mononoke references again

[rich ingot]

Exactly

Technology vs Nature

[hidden iris]

Duality of groups constantly in opposition.

Still, was Jotar an Envoy or?

[quick bobcat]

We don't know.

[rich ingot]

Not clear

[quick bobcat]

He was a prince, and apprentice of Kane, and the one who actually forged the Mora and Sapphene swords.

[mortal girder]

not clear but posiible

[rich ingot]

It's very possible he was...his anguish at his self imposed banishment feels very personal. Either he was entirely too fanatical in his worship of Mora, or they had a Pact with each other, which he in turn can pass to you.

[quick bobcat]

Also cursed by Kane.

[rich ingot]

Yes, but that wasn't why he couldn't stand beneath Mora again, was it? Thought it was why he wasn't, well...dead dead.

[hidden iris]

Did we have a clear vision of if being an Envoy was a requirement to form a Pact? Other than Ode who reverse -engineered magicks into tech

[modest thunder]

we don't know if it was cursed in the literal sense, since he had to fight the cassids above ground too

[rich ingot]

It's never been explicitly stated, but pacts ONLY are applied over your blue arm

[modest thunder]

there's a lot more roaming spirits as well, with circade attacking you we know they're not bound to be underground

[quick bobcat]

The way it was explained to me back in p6 was that yes, it was why he can't feel the warmth of the suns. But that might've been some oldbies misenterpreting things.

[mortal girder]

yeah it definetly feels super personal to him. maybe his fanaticism created his pact? like its kinda hard to touch the sun lol

[rich ingot]

His voicelines seem to imply it was self imposed by his guilt and anguish over the Baskers

[hidden iris]

OH

They can channel magick from resources like Moranite

[mortal girder]

maybe even giving himself this job of being the bridge leading the Envoy's to Mora as a pact in a sorta "Guarding the treasure you can never touch"

[hidden iris]

So then maybe you dont need to be an envoy to have a pact, you just need the 'ammo' with that being the resources

[mortal girder]

like Red Skull in the marvel films

[quick bobcat]

It seems like he was in a situation before that happened, though. And then they added to the problem.

[rich ingot]

"Yes, and only by marriage to Mora can it be so. But let her not see me this way." - Fenn Jotar

"My Midrath, occupied again... Penance, perhaps? My soul, your frame, returned to reign, a noble war in Mora's name. Invaders burned by flint of shame! Dare I stand in her light again..." - Fenn Jotar

"My Knight, I bid ye be my Thane. It must be so, for the King needs counsel. I... have stolen glances in her shadow. I have dreamt of her warm embrace. I wonder... Do I dare... Ask my Lady Mora to dance?" - Fenn Jotar

[hidden iris]

While we are on the Baskers

They cried flames across their homelands, lost. They burned the collaborators. And The Fire King, Fenn Jotar, could only watch.

[rich ingot]

These all seem to imply he could stand beneath her again, but feels unready

[hidden iris]

Who were the collaborators?

[mortal girder]

maybe Mora's Hand is a pact with Jotar, and you are channeling his fanaticism to Mora to do the stuff

[nova cove]

those who helped the Cassids

[rich ingot]

Midrathians accused of supporting the Cassids

[quick bobcat]

Non-cassids who aided them. Or were thought to have aided them.

[hidden iris]

But the Baskers vigilantes weilded the weapons AGAINST the Cassids. So was it the Skelflanders? Dendrit?

[quick bobcat]

Speaking of Cassids, we need DE to give us a Pico skin for the guide.

[rich ingot]

"I will not see my knight turn collaborator once more!" - Seemingly including his own men...and a lot of innocent villagers

[hidden iris]

Whome everit was, got burned in the process and it seems like it literally burned those bridges

[rich ingot]

It was basically a witch hunt in the aftermath of the Occupation

[hidden iris]

Thus a Kings shame for allowing vigilantes to grow and act outside the law of his knights.

[mortal girder]

maybe it was like with the Circade

[quick bobcat]

The Baskers were vigilantes, out of Fenn's control. They were basically a lynch mob.

[hidden iris]

Was the Circade betrayal born out of the Baskers inherent burning of those were to help and the lands of?

[rich ingot]

"The Ashen Spirits, gone. Have you noticed?" - At rank 5.

He was literally haunted by the ghosts of those he felt responsible for burning, fair to himself or not.

[hidden iris]

Only adding to the Kings shame, with Moras name and power being used out of control

[rich ingot]

He blames himself heavily for turning a blind eye to the Baskers

Whether he could have done something or not, he actively chose to ignore them

[hidden iris]

I mean I would too if they burned the lands of friends and those friends in turn just because the power got out of their control

[rich ingot]

He tried to woo the former Lady Jotar before Fenn was named king. He was a rat bastard long before the Baskers

[quick bobcat]

Dunno. Hard for me to parse most of stuff about the circade. It did seem like there was 3 people who were overly decadent. Sorta like having a trio of Headonism Bots.

[rich ingot]

They didn't lose control. They chose to.

[hidden iris]

I assume this was the Circade that did this? And you mean one of them since there were three? or am I misunderstanding the Circade

[rich ingot]

It was one man with three souls

[rich ingot]

The Circade did it, yes

And he was not three people. He had three souls, and as such was unkillable.

[hidden iris]

oh

[rich ingot]

They eventually sealed him in the Crypts to stop him

[hidden iris]

now that sounds like the Avatar if I ever head of one in this game, damn

[quick bobcat]

That kinda gets into semantics and weird storytelling.

[hidden iris]

3 souls, one for each virtue

[rich ingot]

The Seer Dale once drank the mist. Her eyes roiled round and spoke she this:

"Rise will he, in phantoms three.
Of Jotar claim, but steeped in greed.
Crypt be crippled, binds be cleft.
Where magicks wink, lay each to rest."

[rich ingot]

A bit. It's just important to note he was only ever one body, whether the three souks made him different people or not is unknown.

"I wake at the blue sun's rise. The Kearnhold bells chime six. They dubbed us The Circade when I rose from shallow grave, and here in our chambers, have I toiled each morn since. Scheming. All is arranged. At seventh bell, will I go to the market, three diamond in hand to find the Lord's firm shake. A deal to wrest old Jotar of his crown. Soon brothers, the reign of The Circade."

Sounds like a plural system of three souls in one body, each becoming the inverse of a Virtue

"I wake at the red sun's set with a right sore throat. Must be thirsty for firsties at the Flippin' Dragon! Me dawn soul writes that we cannot die. So another pair o' ales for I! An' ol' Jotar said I'd drink ourselves to death- he'd like that! I cannot write long, the Lady Jotar fetches 'freshments. Just know- this burning Lunust night- I shall ask for her hand! A ring for her, a crown for I, And best of all, should she decline, I'll ask another. For she's as many sisters 'ere as this tavern has tables- not countin' the barrels acourse."

[quick bobcat]

The way I was raised, yes, that would be 3 people. A soul being its own being.

[rich ingot]

"At night-tide, woke I, with a stomach turned sour. "Flee," pleads the wind from her Cardinal towers. A cat crossed my path, more lives lost than remain. I hear naught a footfall. Yet I draw still my blade."

[jagged ravine]

Where do we find all this lore?

[hidden iris]

The Journal/Wiki

[rich ingot]

Journal entries for the Circade

[rich ingot]

Yes, but sharing a body

Read the second entry

During Mora's light, one soul is in possession of the body. Sapphene, another

[modest thunder]

specifically 'me dawn soul says we cannot die'

[rich ingot]

And Iridis, yet another

3 souls, one body. A plural system of rat bastards, traitors, and monsters.

[quick bobcat]

Which doesn't matter. A body is just a body. The soul is the being.

[rich ingot]

Perhaps. We don't disagree it was three people.

(be a bit hypocritical if we did)

We recalled the lore a bit differently than it was.

Thought it was merely three souls within a single man, not three men within a body.

But the lore is definite that it's the latter

Their lore has nothing to do with the Baskers it seems, to answer the original question

[quick bobcat]

Same difference. The body is just the vessel. It having 3 operators be they always there at once or in shifts doesn't change how I view it.

[modest thunder]

kinda reads as the same thing so i'm confused here

[rich ingot]

There's a slight pedantry to it that CAN be important but isn't in this particular case.

[rich ingot]

Each soul is its own person. They merely, shall we say, timeshare the body

We recalled it that it was one person, who had three... shall we say cores of being or fonts of life, that meant that should he die the other two would regenerate the third.

Basically, our memory was, as always, fallible.

Anyways, as for why the Circade was sealed: the Grace spirit tried to buy the crown from Fenn, the Courage spirit tried to sleep with his...mom? Aunt? Predecessor at the very least, and the Spirit spirit woke up in the midst of a bloodbath and just kept killing.

Just a bunch of power hungry drunks with no morals.

Nothing to do with the Baskers

(Basically, Vlad, we read soul as Source of Life and not Individual Person the first time we read the lore, and missed the switching of perspectives)

(but yes, these are clearly different people)

[modest thunder]

yeah i always thought the courage one was wild, cuz it also speaks of the size of clan jotar for him to think 'if i strike out with this one, i can ask another'. and yet fenn did nothin

[rich ingot]

Fenn wasn't the ruler at the time

He literally struck out with the clan head

[modest thunder]

that was more in the sense of he had a large family, but failed to even protect them in general. not just from circade, mb

[rich ingot]

Oh, yeah

A lot were...likely killed in the Cassid Invasion

[quick bobcat]

Proof that DE goofed and that Rood needs to be Grace while Orengall needs to be Spirit...

[rich ingot]

The lore implies it was...not an easy war.

Without Igne Mora, Fenn might very well have lost.

Choked, poisoned, then stabbed in the back.

These poor assholes really didn't get much mercy in the dying department

[quick bobcat]

They should've tried dismemberment. That works for perma-killing Deadite possessed bodies.

[modest thunder]

was it said he lost it?

[rich ingot]

Not sure what the book in the first mural was about

[rich ingot]

He stole it to rally his people

[modest thunder]

oh i just misread that

[rich ingot]

...Honestly, we're glad we reread the lore on Circade

It's good to see plural rep, even if the system members were, well, less than good

But then, DE did Zuud as well, so they clearly have some experience with it.

[hidden iris]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-glover-glad-gif-11528681

[rich ingot]

We only hope we don't meet such a gruesome end

Maybe freezing to death instead.

[hidden iris]

I want the game to get a bit more gruesome

I feel like once we are able to see the Ode for what they really are, it might get that way

[hidden iris]

And prasewilling, Eldritch horror

[quick bobcat]

Just be prepared to chew bubblegum and kick butt, and be all out of bubblegum.

Also, yeah. Spellsong has some They Live vibes to it.

This is also probably the best place to ask about this. Did DE leave out a note, or is it just incredibly hard to find?

[hidden iris]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-arrows-shoot-hit-gif-12968662

[quick bobcat]

Call me when you find one of the arrow stabbing scene from Bone Tomahawk.

[hidden iris]

Those werent nearly as gruesome as the split

[tender ibex]

Pictures from what I was told would likely be the new ||dungeon entrance||. It looks awesome.

[mortal girder]

ooooh

[frozen shell]

It isn't gruesome enough that we are killing people to "save" animals? The game theme is truly quite warped.

[hidden iris]

"people" we dont know what Ode really are. But no, there is nothing really horrific about the game just yet. Just a fight back against invaders terraforming the area of midrath. Once we get into eldritch horror or gruesome realities made apparent, then maybe itll be enough

[mortal girder]

yeah all we know for a fact is that they cant survive on the planet

like i think someone mentioned earlier, they could be like ooze for all we know

[tender ibex]

This just made me think a lot of stuff is machinations, what if the ode are just machines made by synod and he's the only real person trying to make the world into what he wants.

[mortal girder]

i mean that could work somewhat. Like there are only a few actual Ode on the Skycastle and are a forward terraforming group

[tender ibex]

built like breen from star trek

[hybrid prawn]

when did they add a talking camal and store

[quick bobcat]

We're killing alien invaders who're trying to terraform out world.

Just because they don't look like the Mars Attacks aliens doesn't make them any more "people".

[frozen shell]

I guess my suspension of disbelief just isn't as active as yours. lol

[jagged ravine]

P12

[hybrid prawn]

damn

[quick bobcat]

He was part of the Founders update.

[hybrid prawn]

i haven't played in a while i wonder what else i'll find

[jagged ravine]

The capitalism camel

[finite tree]

For what it's worth, he doesn't talk so much as groan with us understanding some of the groans.

[urban wedge]

I like how the placeholder cutscenes are clearly just the storyboards

[finite tree]

They are perfect and I don't ever want them to change

[urban wedge]

Yeah they feel stylistic

[quick bobcat]

DE said they are just the storyboards.

[urban wedge]

If they want to make actual cutscenes they should just make other ones

Thematically, having these flashbacks be illustrations works pretty well

[quick bobcat]

They want to make the memories be intractable cutscenes. I'm not particulary fond of the storyboards.

With the tutorial "Rise Envoy" showing us learning some stuff as a kid, it leans into what they said they want for the Juniper scenes.

[quiet spindle]

Why the Ode Tempest pact sold in Alka? And how can have a pact with Ode? It's not a spiritual natural force. I think this pact is more fit of Rose, it made sense because they are like spies.

[austere robin]

my headcanon is when the Ode captured you prior they somehow engineered a restraint that controlled you by binding to the fey arm.

but thats solely down to the key-hole designs placed around it

as for why alca has it, 🤷‍♂️

[vocal cosmos]

location ?

[tender ibex]

Bottom right of the map here.

Are you on right now? You can dm me ingame and I can invite you and show you specifically where.

[vocal cosmos]

yeag give me 15 mins ( Ty)

[sonic sequoia]

As far as I know no one has got that yet (or at least no one shared).
Either it doesn't exist or it is incredibly obscure.

[quiet junco]

You can't find it if you've already done Steelsinger

It's meant to be at the shrine when you leave the dungeon during Torment Stag, it's a note by Orlick talking about the nearby excavation so you go find Tuvalkane

[sonic sequoia]

As far as I know that one doesn't add to the Note section.

[quiet spindle]

Wow, they delete the throne and now there's a door. But how get inside?

By the way, what IGN mean? I've seen this tag before.

[austere robin]

Ingame name

[rocky mirage]

Was watching some streamers playing through the Sacrifice, made me wonder if Soulframe will eventually have a similar emotional gut punch of a quest

[quiet spindle]

I used the moon's power and got inside. You can jump from above and get underneath the textures.

[tender ibex]

IGN means In Game Name. Basically I'm signifying my game name if someone wants to contact me easier in game.

I'm going to remove it though since it seems it may cause confusion

[tender ibex]

The way I got in is out back in a vent like structure that you have to crouch through.

I wanted to report this as a bug but I've been really busy today because of some hectic IRL stuff.

[quiet spindle]

Yes, I was already been inside. My guess that it the cannon that will send us to the Flying Fortress.

[tender ibex]

Whatever it is it looks freaking awesome.

[austere robin]

now I have two things to explore when I get home today
-# only if the mirifuir breach 'method' I saw earlier is reliable

[tender ibex]

I posted the location as well if you scroll up a bit, I hope it helps.

[pulsar orchid]

is that the method with the /unstuck from the right-hand work or a different one 👀

-# i couldn't get that one to work I think there wasn't an echo stone

[split shell]

What am I supposed to do here? It’s a quest from Sparrow. He brought me here, but I can’t find anything.

[rich ingot]

Asking for codes is not allowed in this discord.

If you still need access, check the pins in #envoy-gathering for a handy list of ways to get in

[mystic spire]

Could you define "here"?

[crisp elk]

I have no idea if im lost but anybody know where the best place for Greatsword rune drops?

Been looking countlessly, been doing dungeons, bosses and organs

[pulsar orchid]

Which greatsword rune? There are two on https://wiki.avakot.org/Runes

[crisp elk]

My bad I meant fragments

[pulsar orchid]

Oh, which greatsword? They're on https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons, there are three of them

[crisp elk]

Probably purity

[pulsar orchid]

If you want Purity your best bet is Mendiking, though it can technically drop from Collector

[crisp elk]

Ah got it, will use this wiki more often, since im a greatsword main when it comes to games i have been having no luck with drops. I just keep getting clothes and weapons I dont wanna use

[pulsar orchid]

Dw that's pretty normal for greatsword or shield lovers - there's only 2 farmable ones of each hopefully we get more in future though

[crisp elk]

Thankyou for the wiki

[pulsar orchid]

You're very welcome, glad it can help!

[quick bobcat]

So, it needs to be added to #1438224825113120788

[quick bobcat]

That's getting into a part of the scenery, not a dungeon entrance.

[frozen shell]

Why does yours look so different from mine??!?!

As far as I know I have completed all content in the game

[quick bobcat]

That's from cogah, not steelsinger.

Some of us have a bug that we can't get cogah notes.

[frozen shell]

I know, but I have her at rank 3 and it doesn't even show up on my list

[quick bobcat]

The notes are in the overworld. You have to pick them up.

[frozen shell]

Hmm. ok

[quick bobcat]

Same with the ones for Game of Ships, Salesfolk, The Witch.

[narrow vector]

Ah, okay. Sorry, I hadn't read the rules.

[narrow vector]

Thanks, bro.

[frank marten]

you are missing the Cogah notes and the steelslinger notes

[frozen shell]

Thanks. I am looking for them now 🙂

[fervent basin]

GUYS WE FOUND... CHEESE

map coords for cheese share

[frank marten]

ahh yes the cheese

[fervent basin]

the cheese stands alone

[frank marten]

i found that so long ago its good to see people are still looking for it'

[frank marten]

its best to keep the cords secret and let people find it naturaly

[fervent basin]

aww ok fine

but I love the cheese

[frank marten]

encourages exploration to look for secrets and references

[frozen shell]

It looks like The Steelsinger note 2 has been removed 🙁

[quick bobcat]

Extremely late to the party.

Cheese around the map has been known since p8. maybe p7.

[austere robin]

it has been checked off my list

[fervent basin]

let people be excited about things okkkkkkkkk?

[austere robin]

weclome to the oob'r club 😎

aaaa i did it!!!

[quick bobcat]

PSA: I'm fairly sure that here in spoiler chat, people expect spoilers, so it's probably not needed to spoiler tag the pics.

[austere robin]

true
-# sidenote i am stuck underneath the castle with no obvius way up into the castle :\

[austere robin]

using werewalker on top of the rock followed by /unstuck has place me in the underground area twice now, trying to find a sweet spot that puts me on the main level instead of under

[fallow falcon]

Shrine of Sheogorath?

[tender ibex]

If the picture includes likely future content, it's relevant. Many prefer to experience things themselves and I like to give the option for that.

[quick bobcat]

Eh. This channel is specifically for giving out spoilery info. I'd expect people to avoid the channel if they don't want spoilers.

[wintry night]

question:
How did the Fire King managed to marry Mora (& Saphene)? They basically.... Suns

[austere robin]

-# carefully

[wintry night]

just curious and reading the game lore

things got dark pretty quick

[quiet spindle]

You found the first part of the cheese conspiracy.

[little grove]

what is this place?

[agile stream]

I don't think it was ever mentioned anywhere he married them literally.

You marry yourself to a cause. Or to faith. Or devotion. In this case, Jotar sworn to uphold and absolutely honor Mora under any case and all. Even to a staggering obsession and fanaticism.