gameplay-discussion

[naive cloud]

Do you want melee or ranged?

[autumn violet]

ranged

[naive cloud]

Or magic?

[autumn violet]

magic

[naive cloud]

You’ll wanna grab seathorn then

Best staff in the game

[autumn violet]

do i sell the fire sword rune for it?

i already have a spirit one

[naive cloud]

Nah keep all your runes (other than duplicates)

Cause to max your mastery rank you need to level up every single weapon

[autumn violet]

oh

what can i sell then?

[naive cloud]

You can sell weapons once you’ve levelled them up once, just need to keep track of which ones you’ve levelled to max level first

Each one contributes to your mastery rank

[autumn violet]

i see

[naive cloud]

Even if you don’t have them in your inventory

[autumn violet]

so theres nothing i can sell when i started

[tender bone]

Seathorn’s better than silistavf?

[naive cloud]

Yes

[tender bone]

How so?

[autumn violet]

also do armors give different buffs

[naive cloud]

Damage cap is higher

[naive cloud]

Not buffs, but they scale different with different virtues, if you’re running a spirit build the best armour for you rn is the pensive set

[autumn violet]

alr bet

thank you

[naive cloud]

LAN party moment

[lean nebula]

No no bro hehe

[naive cloud]

??

[lean nebula]

thats grinding bro

[fallen socket]

Is there any definitive way to split your virtues now or will dumping them all into one be best?

Im trying to optimise my builds for a really long cogah run

[lean nebula]

gl bro 🫡

[main acorn]

The best way to get moranite is by doing Circade Crypts right ?

[naive cloud]

You get a lot of moranite from the medium chests in the glades and undercity, the dendrit ones, alternatively if you want you can also get moranite in bulk from faction rep in kith of kings

Crypt seems to drop more quartz now than moranite and saphelline

[main acorn]

Okay thanks, I was doing glades for arena but didnt open chests

[lean nebula]

yes bro same drop for crypt and quartz

[solid musk]

what does this mean?

[trim willow]

go to the place where she first was found

[solid musk]

where is that again?

[trim willow]

follow the bird bro

[solid musk]

the bird is just flying in place

[trim willow]

relog perhaps

[regal shadow]

make sure you have the quest tracked in your journal

[solid musk]

it is

[regal shadow]

birb still not doing anything?

[solid musk]

nope

[regal shadow]

hm, well, all you can do then is to go back where you first met her yourself

[solid musk]

ok, managed to fix it, idk how, but was she suppose to have no voicelines? or was it a bug?

[finite stone]

Dw that's normal, it's just WIP content 😌

[solid musk]

oh

[finite stone]

(hopefully that fable will be replayable once they add her voicelines)

[solid musk]

at least i finally unlokced the cogah

[vagrant iris]

Hear me out..... Roaming boss OYD dragons

((Also does anyone know if the Nemesis system patent has finally died from WB, because of so it would be glorious in Soul frame)

[naive cloud]

August 11 2036

Some absolute bs

[vagrant iris]

Fk so they renewed it x-x

[naive cloud]

No I think it just lasts 20 years anyway

[wheat grail]

How do I lightning wizard it all over?

[sour pilot]

Do you folks have tips for getting dracs? I'm incredibly poor rn ._.

[echo heron]

am i unlucky or lyke wake doesnt seem to drop in rovgot

[haughty nest]

You're probably unlucky --I got the last fragment I needed for Lyke-Wake two days ago in Rovgot

[echo heron]

i finished that cenopath first before ever gettin one (lyke)

navalha is unobtainable...

[echo heron]

what are the drop chance on ts

[verbal fulcrum]

within the same weapon types, what even is the difference between different weapons? like wulder and sollos feel basically identical?

[silent bone]

slightly disappointed, wish it was insta kill

[fervent sun]

Just run around fighting and opening boxes. Go through undercity dungeons and break all the breakables at least 1/3 of them will have dracs in side.

[fervent sun]

Right now the "grip types" are pretty homogeneous so there's not a ton of difference in feel between wulder and solos. As you find and build more weapons you'll encounter some variations even within the long blade category. But for right now it's mostly aesthetics and scaling that differentiate weapons for the same grip type.

[solid musk]

just keep playing, in due time you will have more dracs then you could ever spend.

not joking btw

[trim willow]

think of sollost as Wuulder+

[solid musk]

i have 400k dracs and idk wtf to do with them

[trim willow]

alot of the weapons are genuinely just upgrades of their basic variations.

[verbal fulcrum]

I guess, hopefully the game will eventually reach the point where each weapon has its purpose like warframe

[smoky crater]

Hoard more

[solid musk]

finally! i am so excited! time to actually challange myself!

btw the higher the level the more XP they give right?

[atomic dagger]

how get in here :(

[solid musk]

welp, chose to fight the wrong boss and nearly immidiatlyy lost the cogah

[knotty moon]

Yes, but it is fairly inconsequential.

[jaunty dirge]

that's the exit

[atomic dagger]

yeah i assumed that

[smoky crater]

entrance to the dungeon is south from there at the nearest location marker

[atomic dagger]

but ive been walking around for like 30 minutes looming for an entrance and its jusr like nowhere :(

[trim oriole]

where on the map are you?

[smoky crater]

just north of mines of borro 👀

[knotty moon]

I think that one is the Mines of Borro entrance?

[smoky crater]

yep

[knotty moon]

Always trips up people.

[knotty moon]

That marker is evil incarnate.

[smoky crater]

[solid musk]

welp, lost another cogah because i got ganged up by a sworm of enemies

i was on my way to fight a boss after i activated it and then BOOM, got ganged up on and i lost it

i am annoyed so now all of midrath shall feel my wrath

[smoky crater]

think you're supposed to commit that "BOOM" on the enemies, not the other way around

not very.... healthy per say

[trim oriole]

Happens to my wife often because she tries to skip all the enemies on the way and ends up in a 20v1 lol

[smoky crater]

[solid musk]

the thing is, i didnt even TRY to avoid them it just so happend that around 8 enemies spawned close together

a partol and a small camp

[smoky crater]

there are places like that where a lot spawn in the same area yeah

a certain gate has like... 2 camps, 2 patrols spawning in all at once

in a very small area

[trim oriole]

I been running past all the normies for mace enemies to farm orsts and i often get like 15 people chasing me aswell

can be a pain if they catch you cause you get stunlocked af

luckly i play GS so its not problem no matter how many enemies it is

[smoky crater]

ahyes treefell shwingggg?

[trim oriole]

100%

[solid musk]

time for the ode to pay in blood

[trim oriole]

2 swings and 20 enemies dead lol

[atomic dagger]

🪱

[gentle crow]

Is it hard to solo cogah? I was going to pair up and do it but I don't think that's happening anymore

[opal fable]

not really, its fine until you can get oneshot for me

[gentle crow]

Are you a courage build?

[knotty moon]

With a decent loadout it is not that hard, but you got to get used to the different targeting priority.
Archers are fairly dangerous, and getting surrounded is inadvisable.

Slugs are a mortal threat.

[opal fable]

healers and archers gotta die first, also get something you can spam smites with makes it fairly easy

[knotty moon]

Don't be afraid to disengage and lure the enemies so that you can fight them when they are less bunched up.

[trim willow]

if you are running full courage tethren, flyblades are your best friend!

[opal fable]

even without that flyblades are your friend for smite spam in big groups

[gentle crow]

I've tried one set of flyblades but didn't really feel it. which ones would be recommend

[trim willow]

honestly mate any will do, Precklies are wonderful at the start but if you have skilters theyre awesome too

[gentle crow]

I think I have them ready to level up thanks!

[solid musk]

whats stronger? skilter or thrice sprunt?

hey quick question

i finally for the first time reforged a weapon with a thrice blessed jointery, can i have it on a weapon more then once?

and if so, what will it change?

[opal fable]

for me its more preference than stats for these i mainly use them for smiting

[smoky crater]

joineries are one at a time only

add in another on a weapon that has one, it removes the previous one

[opal fable]

you can only put 1 joinery into a weapon, it gets overridden if you put another one on

[solid musk]

ok thank you

[tall root]

This is actually great info, I was about to start my Cogah journey today or tomorrow on my day off.

[opal fable]

also a thing to keep in mind is that your abilities will recharge very slow, so if you were reliant on those you could have some trouble

[tall root]

So smite-procing flyblades are the way to do it sounds

[opal fable]

cogah alone is not that punishing and you should be fine doing whatever, it becomes different if you push to very high levels

[azure fulcrum]

Guys, is there a way to delete loadouts?

[tall root]

Are full-Joineried loadouts recommended for that high level?

[torpid chasm]

I mean at least the weapon youll be using most yeah

[opal fable]

don't weapons have a softish cap with how much they scale? so if you hit that it doesn't really matter

[torpid chasm]

Its a good way of getting levels if you dont have a group to run arena

[regal quartz]

hi. how can get key ?

[opal fable]

next week has a dev stream that gives them out if you watch 30 min

[regal quartz]

thx bro

[random wind]

Where can I view the letters collected here? I was reading one when a nearby monster interrupted me, and when I turned back I couldn't find it.

[torpid chasm]

Are you talking about motes?

[smoky crater]

nah there's a couple letters that appear at the shrines when you're starting out

1 hinting towards the blacksmith and another hinting towards your faction

[tame trout]

New here, how does it similar to WarFrame? I'm kinda afraid Digitals just can't do another game after all these years

[smoky crater]

not similar to Warframe really at all

and... i don't see why you should be afraid of DE "not being able to make another game after all these years"

[tame trout]

This is nice, I quit WarFrame because farming at some point became so exhausting

[drowsy crypt]

ngl i dont remember finding those at all, bird just kept taking me where i needed to go

[fervent sun]

DE has made several games besides WF, but I don't entirely agree with Wagiii either. It feels different from WF to play minute-to-minute but your objectives/progression look a lot like they do in WF. You're gonna farm for materials and craft things. (I think the crafting is way more forgiving in this game with some notable exceptions, but the core progression loop is still farming and crafting.)

[drowsy crypt]

id ssay the main difference is MR directly effecting your power via virtue. in warframe i stopped at like MR 17 (before eventually continueing) because it was a matter of a weapon requiring it.

[smoky crater]

i mean ye there's the certain things that are similar or the same but the gameplay itself is not the same by any means

[drowsy crypt]

honestly you could go through all of warframe comfortably at like MR 5 and still have multiple ways to gain power

where as soulframe there is a direct incentive to keep leveling your MR

[fervent sun]

Yeah I guess it depends on the reason the farming was exhausting in WF. If it's because of the mission structure/action, then yeah this is really different. If it's because of tracking down mats and worrying about drop rates, all that's still here.

[torpid chasm]

I mean I love WF but SF has been taking most of my free time for what its worth

Love a good RPG

[knotty imp]

well i doubt it`ll be much less grindy in soulframe, being a live service rpg type game

[fervent sun]

I like both games but I have already sunk more hours into SF than I did WF because the pace and action feel a lot better to me.

[drowsy crypt]

ive got a ways to go before i reach my warframe numbers.

[finite stone]

Sadly not all of them are viewable in-game. Depending on which one it was, you might be able to see it in the Notes tab of your Journal if it was one of the ones that get saved, but afaik none of the revive shrine ones do... it could've been this one from Orlick:

[smoky crater]

yeh the shrine letters don't get saved anywhere ingame

[finite stone]

Either that or it might've been the Enclave letter from An Invitation? In which case it varies by your chosen Enclave, there are 3 possibilities

[smoky crater]

wait... that Orlick's one is the 3rd one in the steelsingers entries no?

then it's only the faction invitation letter that doesn't get saved

[finite stone]

omg yes it is!! I thought it would've been the first lmao 😂

[smoky crater]

only reason i remembered it is i went to look at the entries ingame for myself a while back and translated what was shown there since the entry is there in ode'n letters instead of just not existing

[random wind]

Alright, I was about to read the letter carefully when a monster attacked me, so I had to stop, and then it seemed like I couldn't see the letter anymore.

Also, in a dungeon I encountered a walking smoke, and after I used Soul Sight it revealed that the smoke was a humanoid soul. A prompt popped up saying I could interact with it using the scroll wheel while in Soul Sight, but I couldn't press the scroll wheel at that time, and I haven’t been able to use Soul Sight since then (what does this skill do anyway? The way it's introduced doesn't seem very clear...).

[atomic echo]

Any tips and tricks to beat maestra for the duelo pact, I always get her 45-50% and then she's just going crazy

[tall root]

Don't try and rush her down. Her attacks start teaching you the pacing of Duelo's playstyle - Parry and retaliate

[sly escarp]

That was Fenn Jotar's wandering spirit, you can bind with his soul by Smite Pulling it. Is it possible your Smite Pull is bound to scroll wheel for some reason?

[finite stone]

This is a little buggy, basically it's the wandering soul of Fenn Jotar and you used to be able to pull smite him to wield his sword for a limited duration. But this was removed when runes were overhauled in P14 and now it's meant to just give the player a rune in their inventory the first time they do it, and doing it again in general exploration sort of does nothing

what does this skill do anyway?

If you mean Spectral Sight, you hold it down to see things in the environment like;

• Glowing auras around collectible Loot
• Glowing auras around animals which may be charmed to earn Totems
• Environmental puzzles and hints, such as the murals within the Crypt of The Circade
• Unique visual effects cast by their equipped Pact

Whilst in Spectral Sight, you can also perform a Pull Smite

[finite stone]

just kick her repeatedly:

[sly escarp]

Could try backing up and yeeting the sword

A bit dishonorable, but effective

She has very precise spacing so if you just kinda keep moving she has a hard time.

[atomic echo]

Finally lol

[random wind]

Got it, but I’ve run into a problem that seems like a bug:
In this dungeon I used Phantom Sight on that mist several times, and then the mist turned into that ghostly humanoid NPC, wandering the dungeon with a sword. But at that point my Phantom Sight skill could no longer be activated again—pressing Q had no effect.

[finite stone]

That is probably a bug caused by the P14 rune change interacting weirdly with Fenn's ghost - I'd recommend relogging and hopefully that'll fix your spectral sight

[swift forge]

spectral sight has gotten stuck active for me too. i usually just relog and it fixes it

[random wind]

And in this state, I noticed my crosshair became permanently visible. I remember at the start of the game the crosshair only appeared while aiming, and now there are two different styles of crosshair. Sometimes it's just a dot, but when I aim at certain spots it turns into this:
I don't know if this is a bug, but this noticeably different interactive state seems to be drawing my attention to it.

okay I'll try

[swift forge]

i do not know why the crosshair changes, but it happens when you are in spectral sight and look at something close by

[smoky crater]

the crosshair changes to the more special looking one when your abilities are in range to whatever you're aiming at

[swift forge]

ohh, yeah that makes sense

[random wind]

Makes sense — I was probably aiming at a wall within range.
BTW, I found that soul again... or rather, a puff of smoke.

[hexed field]

I do believe they changed the way smite grants rune charges. Instead of having to pull smite to gain charges, you now gain them on smite and can pull it (while the enemy lives) for the additional benefits (like heals, damage or ability recharge).

https://klipy.com/gifs/ok-nice-grafic

[gentle crow]

pulling on a dead enemy doesn't work if that is what you are implying, sometimes a split second after they die it will count

[hexed field]

I don't think t's supposed to, and I was implying the opposite. Working as intended

[sly escarp]

I haven't seen that change in game at all, so I don't think it's currently true

[gentle crow]

I always say a big OOPS when I keep swinging a smiteable enemy

[sly escarp]

You still have to pull smite for the charge

[hexed field]

So I'm gaining charges without pulling smite first. Just me? neat bug, then.

I also gain two charges per smite

[sly escarp]

By chance, are you mostly smiting heavy enemies like mace bearers?

Because those give 2 charges

Agari too

[hexed field]

IDK smite is smite

[finite stone]

This is an intentional part of the P14 changes, basically 'elite enemies' like Naito says

[hexed field]

I see it appear, I either pull it and they die or I don't and it goes away, I'm just passively gaining rune charges now too instead of having to pull

[sly escarp]

Hmm...that def seems like a bug. Haven't seen that behaviour personally nor seen it in patch notes... @finite stone you know anything about it?

You usually are pretty up to date on patch notes and shadow changes

[finite stone]

I've not seen it firsthand but tbf, I do feel like I've had more rune charges than I should have had recently, even without the elite enemy thing - I just handwaved it initially since I haven't seen anyone talking about it but there could be a bug there for sure

[hexed field]

-# I don't know why there are shadow changes when they also do patch notes too. smh

[visual radish]

i have noticed levelling does seem to give charges for some reason

[hexed field]

levelling a pact refills your charges, yes
but my pact hit L30 before the fight

[sly escarp]

Probably mostly stuff they just forgot.

[finite stone]

(well, bug or a shadow change like you say, theoretically it could be intentional to not need to pull them )

[sly escarp]

They do a LOT of stuff, and a lot of it needs in depth explaining in the notes

[finite stone]

Might go whack some sinecure for a bit and see if I get the same auto charges like you've been getting @hexed field

[sly escarp]

Easy to miss a couple backend changes made 3 weeks ago.

[silver falcon]

how does Duelo passive ohlo por ohlo work? im dodging but there doesnt seem to be any difference. i know im dodging correctly since chamarino (sp?) is working and making clones, but OPO gives no indication whatsover that its procced.

[sly escarp]

After doing a dodge, you next strike has a chance to inflict bleed

Think it's like 40%?

[silver falcon]

okay. how do i know its "procced"?

[sly escarp]

The only way to know it procced is the enemy will have bloody goop applies as a visual texture and you'll see some extra damage numbers.

[finite stone]

There's no way to see if the 'buff' on yourself has procced if that's what you mean

[sly escarp]

Tbh it looks like ichor more than blood but think they're going for a bloody look?

[silver falcon]

yeah, thats unfortunate. ty.

[hexed field]

Watching closely when levelling bromius, using one rune charge to kill a heavy and levelling the pack at the same time. my charges remained full. conclusion, levelling pact restores rune charges.

[long lion]

Does anyone know how I can get access to prelude? I’ve honestly seen a lot about this game and I’d really like to participate.

[vagrant kayak]

You can check the pinned post in this channel for how to get access, the easiest way would be to wait until the Tuesday Envoy Hour stream and watch with a linked account

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014368913854514

[dire python]

Welp time to get back to making my Tethren guide

[hexed field]

Uh... smites are working normally for me again? was fun while it lasted...

[dire python]

I think the optimal Fellust combo is Charged Rune Heavy -> Light attack spam

Or Uncharged heavies

Light attacks or uncharged heavies?

[trim willow]

the best felllust combo is:

1. call of ancients
2. use flyblades
3. use fell lust and switch weapons to main weapon
4. charged heavy rune attack

[hexed field]

XD The spawn nodes for votive objs and random encounters are sometimes overlapping.

[tender bone]

okay so im rlly confused

in general, which staff is better, silistavf or seathorn?

[finite stone]

I just killed a dog with flintlock and all I heard was a whimper then when the smoke cleared it had vanished 😰

[finite stone]

Haha fair, yeah I've been testing it for 20mins and for me it only gave me charges from pulls so I guess it was most likely a bug

[hexed field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/john-wick-gun

[trim willow]

my man got access to a gun and immediately joined the ATF

[hexed field]

Are the Crypts all the same layout?

[vagrant kayak]

No each dungeon is generated based on several tiles, they're slightly different every time

[dire python]

Did you get him above the shoulders? Yes? Then it doesn’t count

[hexed field]

Feel like I'm missing something with the glowing symbols on the walls in these crypts, anyone got a hint?

[finite stone]

Try luring the Circade to one of them, and slaying him in front of it

[undone minnow]

man wtf is this

why does this guy have to make me feel so poor

[hexed field]

That's a lot of dust.

[supple bramble]

hi all, new envoy here trying to get through the quests, I'm completely stuck on Memories of Molt-Iron

I don't have any quest marker and my sparrow just stays in place when I tell it to track the quest

[finite stone]

Welcome envoy! You want to search for a quarry/excavation site, just east of a location called Oro's Well (map marker is green exclamation mark in spoiler)

[supple bramble]

might I ask you to zoom out a bit more cause I don't have that region revealed yet I don't think

I only got two world trees so far, the one for the tutorial and the one just south of it

[finite stone]

Sure! It's directly east of the big town of Curlail if you have that one?

[supple bramble]

that actually helps so much cause I'm struggling to find world trees too

[finite stone]

Ahh okay with your trees I think you might want to;

• Start at College of Pensives and travel northwest
• Once you hit Curlail, then head east through the woods and over a ridge
• Then you should see the excavation site

[supple bramble]

ty

[finite stone]

np, happy hunting!

[drowsy crypt]

I don't think anyone answered your question but it depends on how you use it. For charged heavy, seathorn hands down. For light attack spam, silly staff

I really like the heavy pierce so I play primarily with seathorn

[tender bone]

do i need to balance spirit/grace if i play with seathorn?

[drowsy crypt]

That's up to preference and if you go for headshots

I had this conversation with someone yesterday and it's really up to your own fine tuning

[distant jungle]

Either way Seathorn scales so damn high that you'll have to use a potion(s) to hit its full power lol.

I'll go grab the stats again.

[tender bone]

potions?

[distant jungle]

This is Silistavf.

This is Seathorn.

[distant jungle]

Yes, via Verminia, the +10 virtue potions.

Cus innate virtue points ain't high enough yet.

Unless I'm wrong and they are but that'd involve someone having a fully upgraded Seathorn and hitting a barrel or a box for me.

And then telling me the result.

[solid musk]

at what year in game did the game start? 900?

[tender bone]

OOHHHH so thats what they meant by dmg cap

[smoky crater]

think... 922? but it was 1 year off and it got thrown ahead by 1 year so 923 technically

[tender bone]

where do u get the potion recipes? enclaves?

[smoky crater]

months and years ingame are aligned to IRL

[distant jungle]

The max damage a weapon can do from pure scaling, yes.

[distant jungle]

Yes.

[tender bone]

thanks dude ur awesome

[solid musk]

damn, so much crafting

...

are you kidding me?

i tought i was in a safe place so i went afk for 10 secs, and one of those goopy annoying knights spawend and killed me before i could react

[sly escarp]

The only truly safe places are the Nightfold and the Faction Enclaves

[solid musk]

so i lost my cogah run

[sly escarp]

Enemy patrols can and do wander around

So you can be set upon by a random foe if you stand in one spot

[frigid agate]

Yeah in P14 going afk is no longer safe unless you absolutely know you are not in a enemy patrol path.

[fast portal]

Hey there! I have a quest where I need to use a rune three times during combat. I currently have a rune socketed in my dagger, and I've even customized my keybindings—but whenever I try to use the rune in battle, nothing happens. So, my question is: how exactly do I use a rune? 😄

[finite stone]

Do you have rune charges when you're trying to use it? Or is the gauge empty? (It won't activate if you have no charges!)

[fast portal]

Ahh, okay—no, I haven't paid attention to that yet. How do I charge them up, then? Just by getting kills? ?

[sly escarp]

Smiting enemies!

[finite stone]

No it's by using Pull Smite on enemies after you proc smite (also elite enemies/bosses will give you 2 charges in one pull)

[shrewd fox]

I joined so I can provide feedback in the future. The thing is, I will be playing on steam deck, is that a platform DE guys want feedback from?

[fast portal]

Okay, I'll have to take a look—I'm sure I'll figure out what Smiting is. 😄 And thanks a lot, everyone! 🙂

[trim oriole]

smiting is when you attack an enemy and they glow red/green/blue, then you can hold spectral sight and left click to pull their soul out

[fast portal]

ahh ok thx 🙂

[teal venture]

Oh how much I wish this wasn't a visual bug

[cloud palm]

Fun fact: The ode do in fact be dropping mfs kn top of you

[normal sail]

-# you want to have -1 sineculum?

[teal venture]

Unironically it wouldn't put me below 50 but it would be peak

[fallow arch]

I just cash mine in when I hit 50 on any of them

[teal venture]

I have no idea how to cash them in but I got 59 of them

[naive merlin]

anyone free to help me get Odiac?

[sly escarp]

Well that's not good

Cap is meant to be 50

[teal venture]

Theres more (:

[keen carbon]

anyone know if i can change faction? i want to farm the mora's hand pact but i cant as im alca children

[teal venture]

I don't even know how to sell it so idk how to decrease it

[sly escarp]

You can, you just need to craft their talisman

[sly escarp]

Faction rep shop sell tab

[teal venture]

ah

tyty

[thorn ruin]

hello guys i hope your doing well
can someone help me where to find the two letter

[knotty imp]

the one piece is real? 😮

[finite stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/angry-congrats

[trim oriole]

from where?

[knotty imp]

from some random schmuck banneret, in a 3 man Cogah Cola party

Mobs were like, level 60ish or something

[trim oriole]

from everything i seen i dont think level matters

or even if its cogah

[lethal narwhal]

speaking of caps of 50 lol

[knotty imp]

god i hope they git rid of these things

[wild cradle]

I have severe issue with "The Wreck of Mestra Carmo" quest. After completing it in multiplayer I have not gained the Mestra pact. I had not forged this band thing as the host have crafted it. Whole quest was done together in one session. Ideas how to fix it? Pretty please cuz I like Mestra's gameplay. Thanks in advance ❤️

[lethal narwhal]

I can't even access or use the 9 that are bugged, every new one I get is added to it as well

[sly escarp]

If they do, fully suspect they'll be replaced with a different limitation. It seems there's a behaviour they want to avoid with completely free stat allocation at will, so...yeah.

[sly escarp]

Did you play as host or client?

[wild cradle]

As a client, my friend (the host) has gained his rewards including the pact

[fallow arch]

why is gawth like this?

[knotty imp]

i do not see the problem with freely re-allocating stats that i grinded to get in the first place

[trim oriole]

they dont want people to be able to change virtues at will becasue they want people to buy loadouts

which is fair enough

[sly escarp]

Yeah, that sounds about right...fables tend to be very buggy in multiplayer

You'll need to replay the quest to unlock everything

[wild cradle]

How do I do that?

[sly escarp]

Have you tried looking for the blue ribbons at the boats?

That's usually how one starts the quest so it may have reset

[wild cradle]

Not on my own. I followed the quest

[sly escarp]

If not, it should be in your journal

[wild cradle]

On the previous ss I do not have the quest, not in my private session nor in my friend session

[sly escarp]

Then go to wrecks and look for a blue ribbon

That's how you trigger the quest to start

[wild cradle]

I will try that. Thank you for your time ❤️

[sly escarp]

For sure! Hope it works!

[wild cradle]

I just found the ribbon, and the quest started! I cannot thank you more.

[sly escarp]

Super glad, enjoy!

[lethal narwhal]

what if it was like this instead?

Using Harmony to find balance in our virtues

Helps with excess Harmony from dismantling runes and totems, and then also gives more of a purpose to saving animals too

Maybe it goes from 0-1000 harmony depending on how far you want to scale your virtues

It's not currency, and it's not a rare drop. Just a common resource we get from playing the game. Doesn't incentivize combat either, and plays into the themes of the game

[knotty imp]

anything would be better than the current system which kinda un-incentivizes trying different builds and setups

[distant jungle]

That behavior they want to avoid is people not buying loadout slots. At least that's what it looks like to me.

There's no reason to not give people the freedom to adjust at will, we already technically can, just only between presets.

So it doesn't restrict freedom, just puts pressure on people to buy loadouts and not experiment much.

My worry is that with a bunch of weapons slated for drops instead of fragment crafting, they're losing a chunk of that 'use arcs to speed up crafts' draw, and so are gunning for other sources.

[knotty imp]

what they need is something like forma in soulframe; maybe not functionally identical, but a kind of evergreen item that can either be earned with relative ease or bought for a reasonable arc price

[distant jungle]

Yeah we need an economic cornerstone to avoid stuff like this.

[sly escarp]

Personally not so sure, though that could be it. Prisms also had limits on free allocation of a different kind. Them moving from one limitation to another says there's an underlying design purpose of the limitations, and prisms wouldn't limit monetization. It might be part of why they chose this specific new limitation, but imo there's something deeper looking to be addressed.

[distant jungle]

Maybe they're tryna force people into presets as a way to get people to keep more than one drastically different build. Maybe they don't like the idea of people optimizing everyman's builds and just using every weapon and pact with the same setup, and they want to incentivize more drastic variety, but that both will not work and this is a bad way of doing it, if such is true.

[knotty imp]

The other issue with liths is that they are just trash loot that takes up the spot of other potential loot that could be infinitely more useful

[distant jungle]

People will play how they want and I fully plan to keep my current exact virtue setup for the forseeable future on all setups.

Maybe this is just an overreaction to pure setups being meta a la the old Courage meta and they're trying to force variety.

But doing so via constant inconvenience is such a bad idea that I doubt this is the case.

Can't really know for sure, all we can say is that the current system ain't it and that Liths are better removed.

And they do not need to be replaced with a different limitation.

[knotty imp]

As for encouraging people to get more loadout slots - i am sure there will be enough people that will be encouraged to do so if they can just freely try out any and all kinds of virtue stat allocations

Because remember - this game is incredibly obtuse with numerical UI descriptions, only real way to figure how anything works is through extensive testing

[distant jungle]

The loadouts also suck right now. Every time I want to update my virtues I need to spend a lith for every outfit, as a loadout saves literally everything.

Hell I can't even use them properly right now cus my loadouts are bugged.

Two of them are partially fused and will automatically update armor and cosmetics to match the other.

So they're incentivizing us to use a system that itself needs to get fixed and also just improved.

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah charged attack values are outright just incorrect on every weapon in the game lol.

No clue where they get their UI numbers but they're all wrong.

[knotty imp]

Speaking of, would be great to have an option in the armor screen of 'sort by highest virtue', so at the top it shows armors that are most attuned to your highest virtue(s)

[distant jungle]

Wiki has the correct numbers.

[ripe bone]

the ui numbers are just 2x the light attack 💀

[distant jungle]

They got rid of the little virtue symbols in the armor UI which is dumb, idk why they did that.

It just makes them harder to sort through now cus you can't tell scaling at a glance.

It used to show on the collapsed UI so you didn't have to click each piece of armor to see.

[knotty imp]

Maybe they`ll add it back in a better way, the UI elements in general need a looooot of QoL polish

[sly escarp]

Guessing it was either removed to make room for some new UI element (possibly related to random armour/weapon rolls?) or it bugged

[knotty imp]

Think they even mentioned wanting to spruce up the general loadout screen at some point?

[trim oriole]

Yes

[teal venture]

What is the base max Virtue limit without temporary or Virtue prisms?

[trim oriole]

After farming on Cogah for like a week im sure of one thing

its boring af, they need to delete the cooldown restriction, you are basically playing with no pact

[marble nimbus]

heyyy where exactly is college of pensives? it's not giving me a waypoint

[marble nimbus]

tysm!!

[karmic skiff]

Ladies and gentlemen, after 93 tries (not counting the 3/4 that got resold because of bad temper, poor quality), I’ve finally found the right one!

[trim oriole]

congrats

im over 200 and still nothing

[karmic skiff]

No worry mate, it goes better after 200 the only reason i got 93 in my inventory is because i sold 100-150 of them to make space

[trim oriole]

im gonna wait for p15 and see what they change at this pont

all this farming will prob end up a waste of time

[karmic skiff]

Yeah, i will not try to farm the moonsteel one for my part. I don't want to farm for a shiny weapon

[trim oriole]

not really worth it for a weapon i will never use aswell lol

at least if we end up able to breakdown and store tempers i have a good stack of them for testing the new system

[karmic skiff]

Just hoping they dont lock it between weapon types if we can put those tempers on weapons

[trim oriole]

yeah same

[smoky crater]

it would be funi...

yes i embrace chaos and others falling into despair because of gameplay choices they've made

[trim oriole]

we'll find out friday so its not much of a wait

[karmic skiff]

We’re like lab rats, used to it by now. Kind of normal when you’ve chosen the life of testing preludes for DE.

[finite stone]

that moment when someone sells their one and only ever juniper 💀 (though I think DE prevented this in 14.5? maybe? )

[karmic skiff]

Curious how we will upgrades one time weapon like Juniper or wyld ones with the new system

[smoky crater]

mfw that happens ->

[knotty imp]

ideally they`d all be instantly legendarized and given all possible tempers so you don't have to basically re-farm for already owned and maxxed weapons

[smoky crater]

oh hell nah

[karmic skiff]

That would be too easy mate

[smoky crater]

that'd just be ridiculous

[karmic skiff]

Surely those will only be upgradable with the blacksmith only, while the rest can be obtain with RNG

[knotty imp]

so what is your solution? Have us re-farm all of our gear to get legendaries on everything?

[smoky crater]

better than "Oh you got all your weapons in a easy way in the past? Here have them freely upgraded to the best possible version"

[karmic skiff]

They did say, that even if the RNG is not going well for you. You can ugprade it, they just didn't show it yet

[smoky crater]

ye

[knotty imp]

yea i ain't tryna to re-grind/re-upgrade all of my gear

that would be an actually insane ask

[smoky crater]

i mean... git gud i guess

[knotty imp]

lmao it's not about getting good

[karmic skiff]

I think mostly, we will have a quality Vintage (Like TF2) Where every weapons farms before the update will have a set specific number of tempers (3 as an example)

So it let us farm for higher quality weapons, while moving those already farms in the new systems

[knotty imp]

well , the orst has that line where it shows when a particular one was obtained, i.e. an indicator of how 'vintage' it is, which i guess would only really matter for collectors once trading comes out

[trim oriole]

probably we will be able to upgrade tiers

but it will have some cost and special matieral

or it will be rng and if it fails will brick the item

mmo style

[karmic skiff]

They did say the upgrade will be there so yeah

[knotty imp]

yea good luck having any kind of player retention with korean mmo bs like that lol

[smoky crater]

i wonder how big of a pricetag my P7 release gathannan would have
before the bug of ridiculously low droprates happened

[karmic skiff]

But i dont think they will let base weapons we gotten before in that state with the new system

[marble nimbus]

what's the difference between the normal and wyld versions of pacts?

[smoky crater]

wylds have different visual effects on abilities

[trim oriole]

more art points

[knotty imp]

you get 30 extra points for wylds

[smoky crater]

but the wylds and regular version share the upgrade trees

[trim oriole]

and a virtue buff on smite

[karmic skiff]

And you accumulate upgrade points of the normal one too into the wyld (both accumulate points)

[smoky crater]

oh that i didn't know

[marble nimbus]

ooh cool

how can I have an aoe option as a wyld oscelda?

[knotty imp]

wdym

[smoky crater]

wat ._.

[marble nimbus]

I struggle a lot with enemy groups

and I was wondering what I can do to maybe deal with them better

[karmic skiff]

You can levelup your weapons, make build with runes and totems

[marble nimbus]

sorry if the question was phrased weird

[knotty imp]

well flyblades are a good option

it also depends on the weapons you want to use

[marble nimbus]

I haven't crafted any weapons yet just rocking the base founder stuff

[karmic skiff]

Well might be important to know that you are not locked to a pact. After crafting new ones you can switch to them

[marble nimbus]

I'll certainly try them when I get them but I like what my current pact has as wel

[knotty imp]

since you mentioned wyld oscelda, look into getting the hollowing & Archstorm runes for the staff

[marble nimbus]

I have archstorm rn but not really sure what it does other than being a very hard hitting heavy attack

[karmic skiff]

Those runes are really good options for attack multiples mobs, you also got a totem who do damage to nearby ennemies when attack others

[knotty imp]

Arch is strong single target dmg, while the Hollowing is more of an AoE nuke

[smoky crater]

hollowing's very good for single target too

[marble nimbus]

noted, is there a way I can find it or just random chance?

[karmic skiff]

Fight specifics Boss (agaris) or open chests

[smoky crater]

both are from Wraith of Wastes iirc, Archstorm from just regular version, Hollowing from Cogah version

i..... think

[karmic skiff]

But you might try to get your blacksmith first so you can do some crafting also

[marble nimbus]

I have the blacksmith already

[knotty imp]

and getting more totems ( weapon mods ) by mind controlling the animals with your epic clarinet skills

[marble nimbus]

the french witch lady as well

[marble nimbus]

doing that but I haven't been very lucky, I almost never get anything for my staff

[knotty imp]

yea this one idk what to suggest honestly, i kinda just charmed every animal i could find at first

[marble nimbus]

yeah I assume it's just luck

[knotty imp]

apparently there is some logic to where certain animals spawn but idk

[marble nimbus]

I do have a primary cast damage one and I upgraded it to max for +10

[karmic skiff]

The way at the beginning is more about "finding what you want to do/explore different playstyles". So totems will come naturally but you might use this time of farm to try other weapons/pacts before trying to specialize

Which is why the joineries system from the blacksmith come only available after using different weapons crafted by her. which will be good also for your staff later on

[marble nimbus]

oh? I already have it unlocked and never used a weapon other than the staff and the sidearm from the pack

[karmic skiff]

ah ? did you craft things atleast ? without using them. Like armor or weapon

[marble nimbus]

oh I crafted a helmet, and am using it

and also crafted the bars for the quest

[knotty imp]

Oh also Orlick does have a few handy tutorial mini missions he sends you on, those are good to do

[marble nimbus]

already finished chapter 1

[karmic skiff]

if you want to facilitate your life to farm totems, Orlick quest are indeed the top to go

[marble nimbus]

oh? good to know

[karmic skiff]

he can make you unlock a chance to auto unlock totems without doing the music trick

[marble nimbus]

my last question for the day, where can I find river pearls and gossamer quartzs

[karmic skiff]

Near rivers for the river pearls

[supple hatch]

does anyone know what im supposed to do here, im following the tutorial and nothings happening

[distant jungle]

The objective is a lil buggy, after doing it once ignore it and just head to the dungeon exit.

[supple hatch]

ok

[karmic skiff]

and pretty much anywhere for the quartz, in chest and buying to avakot

[near fern]

Do you need to do anything with the Virtue lith after getting them dropped from bosses? Cuz i got 3 dropped by the boss but when i try to use them it shows me 0 Rebalance

[marble nimbus]

i see thank you so much for all the help

[karmic skiff]

Normally no, try to relog

[near fern]

I did that, But seems like they are really bugged

[karmic skiff]

Welp bugged it is

[near fern]

Hopefully that bug doesn't stay, Cuz it's on a stack, and if i keep getting more it's all going to bug 😭

[thin dune]

so i have a stack of virtues i cannot use to reallocate my stats...

[karmic skiff]

Oh what the hell, so we got indeed virtue liths not being usable

[thin dune]

thats my issue... and i cannot respect since i cant seem to drop any from WB.

[karmic skiff]

Hiding respec behind a resources has always been a bad idea, we can only wait so they fix this

you can do a bug ticket on discord about it

[thin dune]

im stuck till they make changes

did 6 bosses today, no drops.

[karmic skiff]

Does changing loadout can help you respec ?

[finite stone]

Yes, the spec is saved per loadout so once you set up a couple of loadouts you can then switch freely between them

[karmic skiff]

But in the case of him with his bug, is there lik e first time free spec on any loadout not created before ?

[finite stone]

Oh daaang sorry I missed the bug that looks bad 👀

[karmic skiff]

It is, that's why virtual liths was a bad idea

[finite stone]

no I don't think there is, each new loadout copies the spec of the previous one that was equipped before making a new one... I think

[karmic skiff]

ah shit

[quick junco]

huh. I did not know this could happend

[finite stone]

get outta there envoy!! 🏃‍♂️

[karmic skiff]

Free orst

[next yarrow]

Is there a drop rate table for the maces?

[finite stone]

DE haven't shared any droprates yet like they have for warframe (though hopefully they will in future!)

As for community droprates no one has really collated enough data yet to get a solid estimate

[karmic skiff]

Also there is a possibilities that some part will be rework pretty soon, so we wait for the moment

[next yarrow]

definitely need it

[karmic skiff]

and we dont evne talk about the different percentage rng existing for, getting the maces, getting specific tempers, getting specific quality, and the percentage for each quality to get a number of tempers

[next yarrow]

I'd be happy just to have a legendary character with 8 perks.

I've had very bad luck

[karmic skiff]

I got mine after atleast 200+ of orst farmed

[next yarrow]

I think I've had roughly that much and I haven't gotten mine yet.

And a friend of mine has gotten 2 :v

[karmic skiff]

2 legendary with 8 tempers ?

[next yarrow]

one with 6 and the other with 8

[karmic skiff]

fair, i had more Lengadary than Sovereign

[queen valley]

can anyone confirm: does cogagh also increase enemy spawn amount? I just did an organ in cogah and i swear they were spawning 3-5 at a time instead the usual 1-3

[vagrant iris]

SHOOT AND IT WAS SO CLOSE!! wild envoy managed to escape

https://tenor.com/view/pokeball-pokemon-shake-gif-22482486

[errant kettle]

Anyone else come across that unfinished tower in the swamp in northeast? Friend picked up some note that marked it on the map, but it's clearly not finished, as you can walk through the walls in several parts of it

[wispy slate]

Im on the quest where orlic has you pull smites and kill 5 agari but the bird keeps bringing me to spots that dont give me agari kills, what goin on haha

[karmic skiff]

Agari need to be find in specific places of the map

The bird will not help you about it

[queen valley]

I dont think the birds lead you for general objectives, it coud be anywhere

[wispy slate]

My question would be then why is the bird taking me places instead of hovering in place like usual when it cant track an objective?

[karmic skiff]

Sometimes he doesnt move meaning there is nothing. If he move, it can be due to a quest, or point of interest/event/NPC faction or vendor

[wispy slate]

Yeah i get how agari and the bird work but Its very odd the birds tracking random objectives while im on a quest, might move this to feedback

[karmic skiff]

Because the quest iself doesn't have specific element you have to go for some steps. It's the type of quest you will have to explore to do some objectives

They should explain better the concept of agari and show some of them easy to do

[wispy slate]

Basically what im getting at ill make a feed back post for sure

[gray trout]

Cursed Bloom holders, it's time

[queen valley]

i didnt know that visiting the garden would kick me out of cogah :-[

[neat citrus]

333 is better

shrug~1

[lyric saffron]

can someone help me out lol, i fought the knell knight for the first time yesterday trying to get a drop. after i defeated him, he has yet to return. i fought him at the beach with the fallen tower does he spawn elsewhere?

[wet pivot]

i guys i have a question im stuck with the oblivio quest i cant find the two last stars at the bordesalz village I would like to know if im just trash or their is a bug or something like that?

[cloud palm]

I love corpo shills, talking to them makes me realize that having a brain is really valuable

[halcyon comet]

Just had this guy randomly appear, anyone know anything about him?

Mysterious figure sighting #2

Maybe this is the real embodiment of @lusty arch

[distant jungle]

Looks like a very misplaced villager of some sort.

Funny spawn bug.

[lusty arch]

oooOOOooo

[halcyon comet]

No it MUST have some deep meaning. It can't be a bug

[dire python]

every Agari has a cooldown after they're defeated

30 minutes I believe

[halcyon comet]

yep 30mins

[cobalt tangle]

Did they speed up some of animations making swinging come faster?

And increase the flinging rate for the enemies?

[subtle salmon]

💀 My luck with chests..

[untold pawn]

is chapter 2 the last of orlicks quests?

[distant jungle]

The very obvious story reveal sequence about him is the end for now.

[thin dune]

still cant respect after dropping multiple virtue lilith...

!!!!!

[untold pawn]

right ok

[distant jungle]

Don't want to say it cus spoiler but if you know not what I refer to then you aren't at the end.

Idk what chapter that's on tho cus my memory is ass.

[untold pawn]

i just had a whole cutscene sequence at the end of c2 and i cant see any more so im guessing we're on the same page

[polar sorrel]

what do I do here

[elder fable]

You suck him

When in doubt suck

Always works

Smite? I think its smite / soul suck

[distant jungle]

It's a buggy objective. You smite him once and then ignore the objective and head to the dungeon exit.

Cus you'll have completed it.

[polar sorrel]

Ok thx, I wasn't sure if it was bugged cause im stuck in q mode

[elder fable]

Oh yeah since updated the tool tip stays forever its buggggged

[void iris]

how do you get more rebalance points ?

[dire python]

Virtue Liths? Uhhhhh

[distant jungle]

Agari and Sieges, uncommon reward, drops like, I think 1-3 now.

[dire python]

kill Agari

[void iris]

oo ok tyty

[distant jungle]

If it drops any.

[dire python]

Mestra still refuses to give me Espadarte

I also still have Oryn-Umbr and Vasp-IV to rank up

[distant jungle]

I need to level Witan again.

Cus I found it has slightly more base damage than Cobladh.

[dire python]

I also need to farm a LOT of Gossamer Quartz

for Garren Rood

I accidentally spent like a dozen of them for reforging 🥀

[vocal venture]

so I'm about to reforge my basker's, should I do 3 more spirit or 3 more courage

[dire python]

depends. what are you scaling off more?

[trim willow]

same

[vocal venture]

well right now it's just kinda whatever I've got yknow, just don't wana mess myself up in the long run

right now, it's spirit

[dire python]

ummmmmmmmmm

if you have a spirit-based build it might be better to use a magick primary?

my Basker's Wrest has a Courage joinery because I use it as a sidearm in a Courage build

[vocal venture]

see I wana use swords and magic, so if I'm using it as secondary should I go courage?

[dire python]

depends on what swords but yes

if you're using a melee primary you'll probably scale off Courage more

it also depends on your Pact

[vocal venture]

it's gonna be purity and beskars so they both scale off the same thing is all yknow?

and my thought was if I ever swap to staff then building spirit allows me to easily swap in

[dire python]

I still think Courage is the better choice overall

there's also no reason to use Basker's with a magick primary

it's just redundant

[vocal venture]

right but I meant it lets me swap in another secondary if I use a staff

[dire python]

???

then just use the other secondary? I'm under the assumption you're pairing Basker's with Purity or another melee weapon

[vocal venture]

sorry I'm talking through my thought process it doesn't mean it's correct

yes I am, I'm also saying "if I do these both spirit, then when I wana swap in a staff it's already scaled and I can also do the same with another secondary for when I use a staff"

[dire python]

ummmmmmmmm

no? your weapon attunement has no impact on your actual Virtues?

or

do you mean you want to have a Spirit-based virtue build and be able to use both wrest/Purity and a staff loadout

[vocal venture]

this

[dire python]

ok.

again that depends on your pact.

BUT

Courage gives you a lot more health per point (12 per point compared to Spirit's 3), Spirit makes your Arcanics' cooldowns shorter

generally I still prefer using Courage for melee-focused builds, and you can always use Loadouts if you want to swap between Virtue presets

at the end of the day though you do you

if you really want to prioritize Spirit for everything go for it

[distant jungle]

Weapon choice really doesn't, but Spirit doesn't have the best melee selection yeah.

There's Gath but that also has a Courage req. If you can meet it tho, +3 Spirit on it will do fine.

And it's one of the strongest melees in the game.

[distant jungle]

You can use any pact on any virtue layout and with any weapons.

[dire python]

there is no melee weapon in the game that ONLY scales off Spirit

[distant jungle]

Yeah, that is true, but cap is easy enough to hit that you can make it work.

[dire python]

also maybe I should try Courage Duelo

[distant jungle]

Hell I have two weapons that don't have Courage on them at all lol.

I put +3 on them anyway and they work fine.

Running a 33/15/15 virtue split.

So it's still enough scaling to hit cap.

[dire python]

Gath is one of the hardest weapons to get though because it's tied to a Vadagar

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah the grind sucks but it's still worth cus Gath is great.

[vocal venture]

how??? or are the + from pacts not active buffs but passive additions

[dire python]

passive

[distant jungle]

Passive. MR 18, I get all three virtue nodes on every pact, and I have the +3/3/3 talisman.

You get a max total of 63 virtue points.

[vocal venture]

ah, I was under the impression it was active. guess I gotta work towards all pacts then too lol

[distant jungle]

It doesn't stack per pact, I just always have all 3.

Just as a priority.

Sympathy, then Voided, then all three virtue boosts, then an extra level in whichever passive I like more.

That's how I run every pact cus the smite perks and moar stats just matter more.

Could drain Voided for another level in that chosen passive, or perhaps a level in both, but I like the damage.

[vocal venture]

oh wait ok so it is active not passive. I meant passive as in "even if not equipped it still buffs"

didn't know mr increases your stats

[distant jungle]

It's passive in that it is constantly active without you doing anything so long as you have that node leveled and pact equipped.

[dire python]

no like...you put the points into the stat-boosting arts in your pact and then they always have effect while that pact is equipped

[distant jungle]

Ofc nothing is active on a pact you do not have equipped.

[distant jungle]

And yeah, +1 per rank of MR.

[dire python]

I should probably do Mirifuinir Siege at some point

it's all the way up northwest tho so I just know it'll be tough (kind of)

[vocal venture]

it's honestly not that bad ||Until the 3 bosses all at once and one healing that's annoying||

[distant jungle]

If you're geared up and essentially end game you can carry your momentum through it and it ain't hard.

But if you aren't you can get ground down.

[dire python]

MR 12, maxed out Tethren, Purity, Basker's, full Courage is my go-to build for hard content

but I want to get like

Marrow's Bane or Cenotaph, eventually

Tethren has spoiled me

[distant jungle]

Marrow's is very good.

[dire python]

it's such a good pact

[distant jungle]

Meat cleaver is fun.

[dire python]

my only gripe about Marrow's Bane is that it's also tied to a Vadagar

[lunar vault]

have they changed how the motes worked in villages to unlock text i dont see any

[dire python]

I don't think so

[lunar vault]

hmm feel like my games atleast bugged then if so

[distant jungle]

Is it? I thought Kabocha still dropped it.

Nope, only vat bear, lmao.

[dire python]

there are so many longblades

[cobalt tangle]

They're final boss of Soulframe.

Prepare yourself.

Also she disappeared holy heck

[uneven spindle]

spooky ghost?

[cerulean bridge]

hey kiddo

[drowsy crypt]

holy crap finding the motes here was such a pain

[cerulean bridge]

I think that might have been the last place I got

[drowsy crypt]

the range is like the entire bog

[cerulean bridge]

it was a miserable experience

[knotty imp]

thoughtform has breached containment

[thin dune]

anyone has a mage alike build?

cant seem to make my staff work at doing dmgs.

[void iris]

what do these stars mean

[dire python]

weapon rarity

[dire python]

build up your Spirit

[halcyon comet]

Holy crap this is absolute gold

DE pls weave this mysterious being into the lore instead of patching it

[thin dune]

i've kinda maxed it to 26+

[dire python]

ummmmmmmmm

[thin dune]

cant seem to do any sort of decent dmgs lol

[dire python]

find a better staff?

actually show me your build

I don't know how you define "decent dmg" but

it should be more than good enough if you're using staff and you have 26+ Spirit

[thin dune]

ok lemme log real quick ^^

[dire python]

actually just answer one question

are you using the Gwylen?

[thin dune]

I'm not.

[void iris]

oo ty

lmao

[dire python]

ok I'm going to assume Erstroot or Seathorn

uhhh, do you have joineries on your staff

because my staff builds are around the same level and I do NOT think the damage is bad at all

you have to remember that you are a mobile, ranged damage dealer when you're using a staff

[lunar vault]

is this a bugged tracking it says this is the college of pensives

[dire python]

you're not going to have as much damage as, say, a melee Courage build, and that's totally fine, because what you trade for that is being much safer.

[dire python]

more like "college of weavers"

(yes I think it's bugged)

[thin dune]

i have this for now

and archstorm has rune.

[dire python]

that's not really what I asked for

just your weapon/armor situaton

also that's not joineries, that's arts

[near oar]

hi guys, im new. what should i pick?

[dire python]

ummmmmm depends.

Tethren is a simple but solid Pact with a ton of damage via Fellust and some excellent Survivability

Sirin is a stealth-oriented pact with some extra crowd control

Oscelda is a crowd control-oriented and support pact

[thin dune]

this then? xD

[dire python]

just try them all out and pick what suits you

I personally recommend Tethren or Oscelda

[dire python]

ain't NO way you're complaining about-

(MR 4)

oh that's why

[thorny roost]

all i gotta say is ...😂 so far 🤘 👍 great game

[dire python]

honestly though if you have 26+ Spirit then your damage SHOULD be good

[near oar]

tethren? sirin? oscelda? im seeing Spirit, grace and courage..

[dire python]

if you can kill a standard Ode enemy in like 5-6 regular hits then you're good

[dire python]

have you considered clicking on them

red = tethren
blue = sirin
green = oscelda

[near oar]

i did, one is a warrior, one mage and one archer?

[dire python]

yes

but it's reductive

any pact can work with any playstyle (sort of)

it is ENTIRELY possible to be a stealthy archer with Tethren, or a melee warrior with Oscelda

[near oar]

so i can switch my category or class?

[dire python]

your Pact, yes

[near oar]

ok pact i see

[dire python]

if you've played Warframe it's like the warframes

[near oar]

oh ok

[dire python]

you're not locked into a single pact

again, you can pick any starter pact you want and make it work with a variety of playstyles

but I will always glaze Tethren for its simplicity (two buffs and a crowd control bomb), and power (one of the highest damage pacts in the game)

[void iris]

are you able to put your invite thingy on the ground like a spirit summon in dark souls ? i saw some random player with one on the ground but im not sure how to do it qq

[thin dune]

should be. x) maybe i'm doing something wrong.

[dire python]

maybe you're underestimating your damage

[wind ether]

can anyone suggest me a good bruiser tank loadout with purity

[dire python]

ummm

what pacts are you using

[lusty arch]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-animal-animals-horse-remembers-gif-4525840217462590348

[fervent sun]

Mendicant King armor and Rood pact. Grace ability is your initiator. It has good range and chip damage, even with low grace. Use your Spirit ability to stun and turn them into soup. If your health starts getting low use your courage life drain.

Idk if this is the kind of thing you were asking for but Garren Rood is really strong, especially its spirit move. For me it's a lock.

[lunar vault]

what do i do here or is it broken quest

ah figured it out

[dire python]

I also like Tethren

the green ability has a taunt effect, but overall it's more bruiser than tank

[wind ether]

i use teth too but seems like i am not doing much op dmg with purity so i thoughti will ask

[dire python]

Purity itself deals decent damage, but as Tethren you really want to have your Fellust and Call of Ancient buffs up

[wind ether]

i have tackling enemies in cogah today but seemed like that i am not doing much dmg to bosses like some videos and reels show XD

medikant set with purity , 40 + courage , purity .with trefeel

[dire python]

???

that's "not much damage" to you?

also I personally prefer Everflame for Purity

[wind ether]

i keep trefell because of the whole charged attack thing ..coz i just spam charged attack

[dire python]

so here's the thing

do you know how Fellust works?

https://wiki.avakot.org/Fellust

[main acorn]

What are the best Orst-III tempers ?

[wind ether]

yeah i know i know my friend , but it seemed like cogah bosses have lot of health now haha

[dire python]

they didn't to me

[fresh spindle]

Why does orengall's armor set scale with grace, while having 4 wolves active needs spirit?!

[knotty imp]

Mestra Carmo set is a good option for pure grace

[wind ether]

consecutive hits count the charged attacks too right ? if i keep hitting back to back charged ??

[dire python]

uhhhh yes

[knotty imp]

in fact, charged attacks consume more than 1 charge of fellust iirc

[wind ether]

yes yes 2

thanks for the help people .

[knotty imp]

also there is a totem for big melees that ignores some armor on charged attacks

[wind ether]

yeah bypass armour

[knotty imp]

forget the name, but I think it's gold rarity

as always, with melee focused builds, do invest into flyblades for aoe/reliable smite procs

[fresh spindle]

Hm, what's the best set for Spirit? Think I'll use my orengall set for grace since I've spent a good while farming it

[wind ether]

yes 100 % sir , using my founders pack flyblades coz they are pretty slick and has more dmg than skittles somehow

[knotty imp]

Prob wazzard guy set, though my caster build runs duello + orlick armor + even distribution between 3 virtues

[fresh spindle]

Makes sense

[knotty imp]

Spirit Orengall pact + jazz set + hardest hitting caster wep u can get should work though

wazz* lmao

[fresh spindle]

I was trying to get a wazzard piece with @restive olive yesterday, seems like the drop rate's a bit low though, same with seathorn. Might hop on a bit later tonight as well, have some errands to get through

[restive olive]

1 thousand million more organs

[knotty imp]

now imagine the drops being even worse on release of organs, when 99% were erstroot fragments 💀

[fresh spindle]

Lawd

[teal venture]

Are you talking about Treefell from Cogah?

[knotty imp]

nah, there is a totem that ignores an amount of armor, Treefell is a rune

[teal venture]

Then it should be "The Bulwark" that you get from Beavers, no?

[restive olive]

I am! So sick! Of duelling Mestra Carmo!!!

She will NOT give me her pants >:(

[knotty imp]

don't remember what it's called lol

[brazen sparrow]

phrasing... 😄

[restive olive]

I'm not gonna stop beating her up till she drops her pants but wow is this taking forever

[teal venture]

It ignores at max 27 armor

There is another one from the beaver that reduces armor, idk if it is just per attack or it doesn't stack, really haven't figured out a way to test it out. The beavers my beloved totems on heavy weapons

[lunar vault]

is the new joinery system abit wierd

like if i put a 3 star joinery on a 2star it turns into a 1 star but if i put a 1 star it goes to 3 stars

[finite stone]

if i put a 3 star joinery on a 2star it turns into a 1 star

Not a golden (ie 5) star?

[lunar vault]

some are just broken i believe

ill show

so 2 2

putting on a thrice bound

[finite stone]

perfect yeah so you've got 5 grace and 2 spirit

[lunar vault]

doesnt show it doe no

[viscid goblet]

Alright, so how do i keep Nimrod from healing?

[finite stone]

wym? it has the gold border in the image you showed, gold is 5

[lunar vault]

OHHH LOL

[finite stone]

Use a Cloudquell (or kill him really fast)

[fluid finch]

idk who you are, but if you can, I need a cheers emote so i can drink at the bar

[fervent sun]

Wow nobody told me how fun bow tethren is

[knotty imp]

tethren got me feeling like I'm on that tethTREN

[dire python]

very

count your shots and kill bosses in one hit

the only weird thing is that Fellust doesn't actually last very long because charged shots take like 3 stacks

[gloomy timber]

every time i restart the game my motif is reset

[ripe bone]

Bows dont take 3 on charged as far as i remember

But partially charged heavy attacks only consume 1 charge, do with that information as you will

[still wave]

? with Attunement are you able to gold star each Virtue? cuz every time I try to add say spirit to my bow the grace goes down

[ripe bone]

You can only attune one virtue at a time

They dont stack

[still wave]

just to make sure im getting this right, after i get one to gold do i relevel the weapon then add the spirit rinse and repeat for the other Virtues, sorry im still waking up ><

[ripe bone]

you can only add 1 gold to a weapon (at most, some beginner weapons cant reach 5 pips). it does not need releveling anymore though. adding a different virtue attunement will override the previous one

[still wave]

ah ok sorry the way my brain was reading this was you could add each one

thanks for the info

[ripe bone]

this is in the joinery section

[azure fulcrum]

why do you need 44 courage bruh? 😭

[halcyon comet]

why don't you need 44 courage is the real question

[knotty imp]

yea wtf

[halcyon comet]

me but with grace

[finite stone]

Aesthetic sproutfolk imprisonment

[dire python]

they called my legs big one too many times

[misty tiger]

quick question, I cannot run anymore nor use my spectral sight, is this a bug or is it something I get back? (I just beat the stag)

[tawny mortar]

Should I balance my virtues or have it all on one or whats the recommended thing?

[regal shadow]

that does sound like a bug

[regal shadow]

depends on your pact, weapons and armor really

[misty tiger]

should I just restart it, it does auto-save right?

[regal shadow]

game's live service, so yes, it's saved on servers

[misty tiger]

okok, thank yous!

I just got my code so I'm rly excited, it looks super good

the voice acting is phenomenal too

[upper osprey]

there is more ppl who get the moon-forged orst3? or legendary one? just want to ask something

[tawny mortar]

I played this a year ago and i went all in on ode tempest and i preferred courage, is that right?

[regal shadow]

a lot has changed in a year, personally i prefer to have it split between 2 virtues depending on what i run, but you can go all in on one virtue if you want

[tawny mortar]

Okay thanks 🙂

[keen prism]

didn't know these can land in enclosed spaces lol

[keen quiver]

pjlease tell me if this is a visual bug : i just found a white beaver. unfortunately my clipping software was not running to catch it

[knotty imp]

yea some animals have a different fur pattern, indicating their rarity tier

[keen prism]

yep, they also have a separate entry in the journal

they are called Glimmering Duck, Glimmring Squirrel etc.

[worn lance]

" Oy, Leggy !!"

[dire python]

Damn. Thought that was gonna be a good'un that was.

[finite stone]

Just fur variation for rarity

[keen quiver]

the totem i got from it was a green border but i believe

[soft saddle]

New Sili staff better reforged for Courage or Spirit?

[azure fulcrum]

like a shiny pokemon?

[main plume]

Hey everyone, I have a question: how do I invite a friend to the game? (I already have a code)

[azure fulcrum]

replied in gathering chat

[main acorn]

What joinery should I add on Dewellion ?

Grace ?

[soft saddle]

Grace has best scaling for it I think

[quick junco]

yeah Grace is its best scaling, though if ya using a Spirit build you can also go with that ^^

[main acorn]

I'm using Orengall armor set currently so I'll see

[lunar vault]

theres a faction rep cap right still do we know if envoy rank has any effect in that

[distant jungle]

Entirely dependent on your virtue setup.

And for Dew, it isn't that 'Grace is its best scaling', Grace just gets more scaling per pip for some reason.

That's a universal thing, not a Dewelion thing, so it remains 'whatever fits best in your build'.

[distant jungle]

It does not, it's just 16k.

[lunar vault]

the items you trade in dont go beyond cap aswell im guessing

[distant jungle]

Having said this, Grace holds a very clear meta right now, so it'll technically be the best choice on anything that fits it.

Both because it has better scaling than the other two virtues and because the crit multi it enhances gets cracked.

Grace also has the best armor right now. Without totems, best set, Courage gets 115, Spirit about 135, Grace about 148?

[lunar vault]

what is best to build off like 1 attunement 2 attunement or all 3

[finite stone]

They do go beyond cap:

[distant jungle]

I like keeping near a 2:1:1 ratio and am running a 33/15/15 spread leaning Courage.

You still get good scaling on your weapons and armor of choice while also getting good general arcanic scaling and the bonuses that the other two virtues give. It'll also mean you can use the vast majority of weapons in the game, even sticking to that one build.

I hold onto Courage cus I like the tankiness but with it having the weakest armor partially balancing that out and Grace giving such an absurd advantage, if it isn't addressed in P15 I might take that as a sign that it's not changing for a while and swap to a Grace focus.

[lunar vault]

on weapons does that white number include the yellow number

[distant jungle]

The number on the right includes the number on the left already, yes.

Keep in mind though that every charged attack value listed in-game is wrong.

Sometimes egregiously so.

The wiki has the correct numbers.

[bright rapids]

I am now depressed i was so glad when it said download and it actually looked good that i never checked if it was available for everyone 😭

[finite stone]

Don't worry it is available (and free) for everyone! You just need to grab a code, you get one free from watching https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014368913854514 tomorrow, or you can get a code immediately through various fan communities (think youtubers, fansites etc) - it breaks rules to mention where but you can find them dotted around the SF community

[bright rapids]

thank you saved me from depression lol

[finite stone]

hahaha anytime, have fun envoy!

[worthy wyvern]

Can anyone help me I search for 4h History motes in Saltbrim I have 3/4

I don't find the last one

[regal shadow]

relog or enter/exit a dungeon, that should reset their spawns, it's possible one spawned in oob place or smth

[worthy wyvern]

I have no idea where the spawn of the motes is

I found the 3 random

[regal shadow]

they are random, within the confines of the location (mostly)

just saying that because of that randomness, it is possible they spawn in the ground or inside a wall or high up in the sky, somewhere you cant get them

had all of the above happen multiple times :p

[worthy wyvern]

Wow that's great and How can I get the last If they don't have a fixed location and can spawn anywhere, how am I supposed to know whether I need to reset?

[glass swift]

Hey guys, can someone explain something to me?
Why is it that when I use a Joinery with only 1 attunement, it gives me a bunch of red attunements on my weapon, but when I use one with multiple attunements, it only gives me 1 instead?

And i take red attenuement every time btw

[regal shadow]

they respawn themselves after 1 hour has passed, or you can force spawn them by relogging or entering/exiting a dungeon

[copper epoch]

The highlighted one means it's 5 pips

[trim oriole]

because 5 is max

[regal shadow]

and it's not anywhere, salzbrim isnt a big location, check inside houses, on the streets, on the docks and the cave on the north side of town, where silent rose enclave is

[glass swift]

Ah okay, so the one with multiple attunements is still better? The golden symbol just means it reached the max attunement cap?

[smoky crater]

it can be but not for a simple "higher damage output" reason because it won't do that

multiple attunements is better for being able to use the weapon with the same or similar damage numbers with a higher variety of virtue spreads

[wooden bay]

so "The Cgah Grod' says that it increases with kills of agari by the cogah. does this mean the more bosses killed while the cogah is activated and youre wearing the talisman itll icrease the stats of it?

[smoky crater]

the stats increase up to i think 10 or 20 kills in a more beneficial way while in cogah yeah. going out of cogah resets it

something like that

[wooden bay]

okay so usless out side of the cogah\

[smoky crater]

kiiiinda?

[wooden bay]

inside of the cogah do you get more xp or benifits?

[glass swift]

Okk tyy

[smoky crater]

not because of cogah but because of higher enemy levels, yes. tho diminishing returns starts happening after around lvl 60 from what i heard

which is kinda why i just suggest doing higher level sparrow's tales because that way you also progress with your faction without much a "xp loss"

[wooden bay]

thanks buddy

[finite stone]

or benifits?

You get unique loot, the cogah runes and talismans (and you unlock lore for the journal)

[smoky crater]

that yes yes

[noble gale]

How are you people getting 100+ stat anything lol

[distant jungle]

Just being MR 18 and using the best armor for your virtue focus.

And I refer to total armor, which easily gets past 100 eventually.

[thin dune]

is there a way to build a proper mage?

[distant jungle]

There are no classes as such, and everything is technically to some degree a mage, given that every pact has arcanics and expects you to use them. That said, if you're looking for a pact that more heavily includes them, try Mora's Hand, Garren Rood, or Oscelda. The arcanics of all of those are pretty universally helpful, so you'll be using all three pretty regularly instead of focusing on one and using the others as support or utility.

Spirit, as a special effect, also gives you 1.5% CD reduction per point after 2, so that'll crank your casting up.

You'll be pretty squishy if you go hard into Spirit though, as it gives the least HP per point.

And keep in mind this is CD reduction, not increased charge rate.

Meaning a 50% reduction will end with you casting twice as many arcanics, rather than 50% more.

Other than that, magick weapons exist for both primary and secondary slots.

[thin dune]

Thank you for the insights !

i'll try them out.

[vocal venture]

aight time to decide, what pact to go for

[fallen marten]

hello guys im looking to spawn avakot merchand but the tree dont show me the icon to active it

[vocal venture]

I've got no clue where to start this decision process

[vocal venture]

some of the missions can have him as a spawn, look at the missions and see if a bag symbol is on the map before confirming

[fallen marten]

ok will check thx you

[vocal venture]

but yea, pact reccomendations?

[fallen marten]

guys where can i farm moranite please

[royal crest]

How do I see runes and equip them?

nvm figured it out lol

[vocal venture]

is mora's hand any good?

[glass swift]

Yep i like it a lot prety fun

[upbeat mauve]

whats the best bow for grace? (and is blitzel new)?

[royal crest]

Okay so, how do I use runes in battle? I thought they were like passive

or "wield a rune in battle" ? I have one equipped

I would ask in game but for some reason the chat window is gone and I can't bring it up or see it

[fallen marten]

its passive

[royal crest]

wonder why its not triggering then when I fight

maybe quest is bugged

[finite stone]

They are active abilities

[royal crest]

Okay, I'm not sure how to "wield them in battle" then

[finite stone]

It just means use them

either Spectral Sight + Heavy, or using your dedicated Rune keybind if you set one (it's unbound by default). You need a rune charge to use them though, which you get from performing pull smites on enemies (see gauge in attached picture). More info on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Runes page if you need it. Happy hunting envoy

[royal crest]

Ohhh okay, I see. Thank you!

[finite stone]

Anytime, good luck!

[royal crest]

Oh, one more question (IM SORRY), but in the quest about killing corrupted creatures, how do I "make room for new growth" exactly?

[finite stone]

Oh that sounds like a Sparrow's Tale, they're multi-stage objectives so the corrupted creatures come at the end, the 'make room for new growth' is one of the earlier objectives before that. Basically you just want to search for 3 of one of these resources in the highlighted area on your map

[royal crest]

Ohhh okay. Thank you, you have been most helpful and I am eternally grateful to you! ❤️

[noble gale]

I'm still so confused about what the first thing of Garrens pact does

The wordy is really strange

"heal while your rune recharges to speed up recharge time."

Runes don't have recharge time?

[finite stone]

Correct yeah, it's outdated text - it actually extends the duration of any active duration-based rune (like Flitsmoke or Treefell) - so it's wasted on instant runes, like Everflame

[upbeat mauve]

whats the best bow for grace? (and is blitzel new)?

[noble gale]

Oh....that kind of sucks lol

[finite stone]

Blitzel is veeery old, from Preludes 1.3 - the newest bow is Avex (as for best bow idk sorry I don't minmax much!)

[noble gale]

I feel like we don't have enough runes to justify garrens first passive ability being that niche

[finite stone]

Yeah agreed I think it's just a pre-alpha thing because they reworked runes in P14, it will hopefully get improved in the near future

[smoky crater]

fun fact: Blitzel was first turned into Thistle, then they reverted Thistle to Blitzel, and added Thistle as a whole separate weapon

[noble gale]

Tbh I'd love it if everflame was changed to simply set your sword alight and it focused on fire DoT

I feel like the "Big swing that adds X damage" is gonna be very prevelant in the future for rune design anyway

[upbeat mauve]

dont like avex looks ugly

[distant jungle]

Is just compound bow tho.

Compound bows are neat.

[noble gale]

I've heard two things

Avex and the uh Wyld Founders bow

The founders bow you just build for barrage spam and avex is a single target killer?

[smoky crater]

avex does not have arrow rain soooooo i guess?

tho for starling both work

[distant jungle]

Both shoot arrows, one has arrow hail which is good for smite farming, the other a melee which can crack blocks.

[smoky crater]

but avex can also do funi melee bow gameplay

which.... i want old bow melee back

[upbeat mauve]

can i get starling without paying or no?

[smoky crater]

not yet

[distant jungle]

Not currently, but eventually.

[noble gale]

I feel like that's just bows in general, either you're spamming barrage or you're spamming charged shots lol

[distant jungle]

Everything but Paragon will be available to farm eventually, sometime after Founders ends.

[noble gale]

One or the other, not both

[noble gale]

I think its the talisman and the greatsword that can't be farmed no matter what right?

[distant jungle]

Barrage can't really be spammed to actually kill things anymore, at least not quickly, cus of flat DR.

So it's largely just 'i want smites right now'.

Cus it's a lot of hits of 1.

[upbeat mauve]

should i make blitzel or juniper?

[smoky crater]

the one you want

[noble gale]

Barrage has a good amount of stagger for how low effort it is tbh

[upbeat mauve]

i like both the way the look so the better one that is better

[distant jungle]

True, but you don't need to stagger anything that's already dead.

[smoky crater]

they're essentially equal

[upbeat mauve]

im gonna make you equal

[smoky crater]

equal to what