gameplay-discussion

[visual radish]

Lol

[dire python]

is it just me or does the Avex have a longer than usual charge time for a bow

[limber vector]

love the ocarina of time esk beginning

[visual radish]

It does yeah

[dire python]

ok I'm not hallucinating

would you consider Avex the best bow or

[visual radish]

Havent used it but i am emotionally attached to arrow rain

[dire python]

apparently the tradeoff for losing Arrow Rain and having a slower charge time is having piercing arrows?

I'm not sure how much that matters considering I'm using the AoE damage totem

[frank scarab]

why does my wevetseed does not stack? I have 5 yesterday + 7 i harvested today but the game display only 7, should be 12

[visual radish]

When you pick it up it shows your total

As in you had 5 and gained 2 totalling 7

[frank scarab]

oh i see, thank you

[vestal oriole]

i know that duelo update gave a new dungeon or somethign with the ships, where do i find it?

the ships are there, looming at the edge of map....

[limber vector]

Im trying to hold Q and left click bond with wandering souls but its not letting me am I missing something?

[daring jacinth]

I'm facing the same problem, I've restarted the game and nothing changes, once I do Q Left click I can't even use Q again (it's like permanently active)

[knotty imp]

bruh was ode tempest always this pathetically weak lmao

[tender bone]

they said it was nerfed

[knotty imp]

oh great

[ripe bone]

it was slightly buffed recently, but the buff wasnt enough ;-; at least now you can stagger lock bosses with 2 ppl with the 2 ability

[knotty imp]

if i need 2 people to make the pact work, then it's not worth it

[ripe bone]

you can still get 2 finishers on bosses solo as well if you play well, which can deal quite a bit of damage, but with multiple people its stronger

also there is a place for support pacts in multiplayer (which ode definitely is)

[knotty imp]

all that happens is the only defensive skill , the blue one, runs out and then i'm stuck running around trying not to get one shot

and the stagger finisher thing is so insignificant dmg wise in cogah , you are better off atomizing them with tethren

[quasi wolf]

Yeah, it’s not the best pact, but it’s also the only one that has decent combat mobility and to be fair it’s still usable

I wouldn’t run it in cogah though

[ripe bone]

play with more grace and it wont be, but comparing anything to tethren which can vaporize bosses no matter what it does anyway is kinda moot.
there is a bug though that the fix for atmos sphere is not fully implemented- some bosses now correctly dont one shot the charges, but some still do. #1504356528839327754 +1 here if you want that fixed

[trim willow]

man yall will get tethren nerfed at this rate

[knotty imp]

yea the fact that this ability is still charged based AND seemingly only gives dmg reduction and not invul stack is insane - means that a few hits and boom, have fun dealing with an insanely long cooldown

should prob be a duration based DR skill or something

[ripe bone]

i dont mind it being charge based, you should have 10 hits on a normal build vs normal enemies and it lasts 20 seconds (which generally isnt enough to deplete it unless you sit in a fire). the issue is bosses instead of depleting 2 charges per hit do like 6~ on some attacks which feels unfair

etheldred is coded correctly i think and only does 2 per hit at this point, so you get 5 hits worth of DR

[knotty imp]

i mean the current state of it wouldn't be an issue if you could smite everything but since you cannot, it makes it impossible in cogah

[ripe bone]

which unless you face tank is quite a bit

you cant smite impidh only pretty much, but that fight isnt super hard once you learn the patterns

[knotty imp]

also like maybe rework one of the passives to give a charge back to the 3rd skill on finisher or something, would be congruent with the design of the entire pact that builds high stagger on mobs

[ripe bone]

the one thing i can say though is you do entirely rely on weapons for damage, which can make runes have too much weight in high level play. but right now it is in a significantly better spot than before, although it is still bugged in multiple places like #1504866482268672152

the major benefit of ode is its basically a stagger first pact, which can make grace finisher builds very fun for cqc

[knotty imp]

from what i can see, seismor is more for like cc/stagger buildup? but then again, if it is indeed meant to do more dmg, who knows what the intent is

[ripe bone]

if it misses the damage instance it also misses the stagger, so its still a bit buggy

[knotty imp]

only time it ever dealt significant dmg was when it was bugged in the extreme opposite direction, basically one shotting anything in the game, in like p7 lol

like at this point just give me back the lightning shoulder gun haha

[dry kernel]

I would love to see a weapon for hand to hand combat, something like gauntlets or claws

[ripe bone]

technically you can do some hand to hand after you throw a melee, i think someone made a meme video about it, but it is very weak

but soulframe definitely has more of a setting to have a monk type moveset relative to warframe

[quasi wolf]

I sometimes throw fists at the enemy, last time I did it, I did a lot more damage than I expected. Maybe a bug? Hope it stays though. Bullying ode is enjoyable

You can also perfect parry which is funny

[ripe bone]

One can only dream about a suplex riposte...

[quasi wolf]

That would be so fun

[knotty imp]

at one point , bromius pact was supposed to give more unarmed dmg

[prisma tinsel]

Guys, if I switch to different faction, will I lose the rank from my first faction? Also at the moment I can't talk to anybody from the other 2 factions, after i switch will the current faction also be unavailabe to talk to me?

[ripe bone]

You can switch anytime with no repercussions as long as you unlocked the faction by talking to the representative wearing their talisman once

[verbal fulcrum]

what exactly is pull smiting? I know how you do it, but like what is it supposed to be? what is it supposed to do? how do you even pull smite an enemy? I read people saying that enemies glow but I have never seen that?

oh nevermind I see now

[sharp ocean]

guys is it just me or is finding the names of the places hard af 😭

i cant find any ever

[halcyon comet]

Finding the motes?

Some are annoying sometimes but usually not too hard especially at night. They glow like crazy

[sharp ocean]

yhhh

oh i just happen to search during the day always so that might be why 😭

[halcyon comet]

Just keep in mind too they are on respawn timers so if you've already found one (and rarely two) you gotta wait an hour.

-# you can also relog and they respawn intantly if you want to cheese it

[sharp ocean]

thank you soy 🙏

[echo heron]

where does cenotaph drops

[regal shadow]

boss in rovgot ruins

[echo heron]

the what ruins

[regal shadow]

fallen skytower ruins at new viscii

[echo heron]

oh that

[worn carbon]

i havent played since they added duelo, can someone give me a run-down of any major changes

[halcyon comet]

I guess tempers is really the only huge thing

[prisma tinsel]

16K limit faction points per faction or in total across all factions?

[halcyon comet]

Orst-III can drop with a craftwork level ranging from Stock to Legendary. Legendary having up to 8 Tempers which are random "perks" that add buffs to certain things like faster charge time, more stagger on heavy hits etc.

[worn carbon]

is orst-III a weapon?

[halcyon comet]

yep the mace that the big beefy enemies and some Bannerets can wield

[worn carbon]

so it can have 8 random modifiers on it?, can you alter the modifiers

or is it just...random what you get is what you get

[halcyon comet]

Not at the moment. It is RNG as of right now.

An 8T orst is crazy rare though

[worn carbon]

that sounds awful

[halcyon comet]

Just temporary!

[worn carbon]

i wouldnt mind if they did what Div2 did and let you change a couple of modifiers

[worn carbon]

yeah i mean it is in closed-pre alpha, so im not gonna get upset about anything

[halcyon comet]

the goal afaik is some sort of breakdown system and reforging system letting you modify and maybe store things that you've collected

[echo heron]

when does it spawn

[halcyon comet]

but after P15(iirc) weapons will be dropped by enemies in addition to being able to be crafted with fragments, so you will be able to farm randomly rolled weapons and then I am pretty sure some way of breaking down ones you dont want with Tuvalkane and modifying ones that you want to keep using the ones that you've destroyed

[echo heron]

oh nvm

found it

[worn carbon]

so...is it just not worth it to craft weapons then?

man i've basically already crafted all the weapons what a waste

[halcyon comet]

I imagine it will be such that you can run weapons that you find that will be very hard to get perfect rolls on, or destroy collected ones and put those towards crafting your ideal version

[worn carbon]

so ill have to craft/collect multiple copies of one weapon in order to get one with good rolls?

[halcyon comet]

possible, we arent sure yet

[worn carbon]

i wouldnt mind that if most weapons didnt take 10+ hours to craft

[halcyon comet]

I dont think you'll have to craft the same weapon over and over, probably more like modifying one you already have or something idk

[worn carbon]

i wouldnt mind that

[halcyon comet]

Yeah we'll have to wait for next prelude and see

[worn carbon]

in fact it'd make some mid-tier weapons very usable

let me hit integer limit with the starter bow

[halcyon comet]

But for now, the only major change is the Orst-III and tempers really

[worn carbon]

ah ok

[halcyon comet]

Oh and Liths

@worn carbon we dont talk abt Liths rn

[worn carbon]

wait

i mean thats ok i guess, but basically nothing has changed

just put the orb in the same spot it was on your old virtue prism

wait but it costs a resource to move it

[halcyon comet]

yep

[worn carbon]

bruh

[ripe bone]

except for when you want to experiment and need to move it around a lot

[halcyon comet]

and theyre not abundant either

[worn carbon]

thats so lame

just make everything courage and max courage

never change, never experiment

cuz imo its objectively the best stat

[halcyon comet]

heavily limiting a system that is supposed to encourage people to experiment

DE i am more than certain is aware of all the feedback though

[halcyon comet]

Grace all the way rn

[worn carbon]

grace is really good for flitsmoke / bow enthusiasts

[ripe bone]

i have used 1 total virtue lith since it changed, to make a completely balanced build so i dont have to worry about requirements, but aside from that and pure virtue loadouts i refuse to touch this system

[worn carbon]

and it gives good hp

[halcyon comet]

yeah big time. stealth finishers and bows are stupid rn

[worn carbon]

always have been tbf

[halcyon comet]

@worn carbon

[worn carbon]

LOL, you evaporated him

[halcyon comet]

largely unfinished build just super basic stuff

and outputting dumb numbers

finishers are even worse atm

[worn carbon]

have you used flitsmoke + duelo

its so bonkers

[halcyon comet]

still farming for flintsmoke atm, ive gotten the worst RNG this thing has taken me a few days and still no flintsmoke

[ripe bone]

just casual grace double dipping moment

[halcyon comet]

doesnt help that the bosses that drop it cant be crit, finished or staggered so theyre not even super fast fights either

[edgy sapphire]

does he do anything

[ripe bone]

if you run duelo you can dodge-> arrow hail with duo duelo to nuke the spider hp

[halcyon comet]

i think atm no

[ripe bone]

bleed procs go brr

[edgy sapphire]

thank you ive been following him for 8 min now and was confused

[halcyon comet]

will try this in a second, does the bleed have a chance of proccing on each arrow hail hit???

[ripe bone]

yep

[halcyon comet]

oh dude.... i didnt know this

absolute game changer LOL

[ripe bone]

flyblades too can do some bs with it

[halcyon comet]

for Ethel ive just been sitting up in the tree and he pretty much stands still the entire time cause he cant hit you, just dodge his web shots and he stays still

[trim willow]

courage and nothing but courage is the way to go!

[worn carbon]

duelo is definitely the best pact ive come to realize

[halcyon comet]

if youre MR18 then Wyld Sirin might be better atm just for the stealth

[ripe bone]

tethren has its moments too though

[halcyon comet]

can walk right up to enemies without being detected and force finishers

[halcyon comet]

LOL POOR NIMROD BRO 😭

[ripe bone]

his penance, paid ;-;

[edgy sapphire]

anyone know if we can pick up boss weapons in the future or is my game bugging. (its showed the pick up indicator "E" for a second i was trying to take a pick but shifted off sry)

[worn carbon]

i want harder bosses with larger movesets lowkey

[ripe bone]

do you have inventory slots open?

[halcyon comet]

check if your inventory is full :)

[halcyon comet]

we'll get there im sure

[worn carbon]

nimrod was def the biggest skill check in the game

now he just gets combod like everyone else

[halcyon comet]

im ngl the only fight I've struggled with was the trio at Mirf siege

[edgy sapphire]

omg im slow thx

[halcyon comet]

I did start with bow though

[ripe bone]

he is still a pain if you lack the damage, especially if you dare melee him

[halcyon comet]

I usually pick bows in games, didnt realise until later how much it trivialises stuff in SF

[worn carbon]

i miss when the joineries could be used for stuff like lifesteal

would make those so much easier, just mash heavy attack with beeg sword

[halcyon comet]

yeah I was looking at the wiki a couple days ago and was like dude wtf why arent these here 😭

[ripe bone]

also this was really satisfying to pull off

[halcyon comet]

@ripe bone do you know if this also procs for each arrow hit during hail?

[ripe bone]

only one time per source on these type of totems

[halcyon comet]

okay no worries ty, might still be worth running when doing the spiders

[worn carbon]

is an armor decrease by 5 a good amount? on average how much of a dmaage increase is that

[ripe bone]

if you do duelo and rely on bleed on hail you dont need armor strip, the bleeds bypass armor completely

[halcyon comet]

oh bruh okay

nevermind then xD

[halcyon comet]

afaik armour is a flat damage reduction not %. so if you do 25 damage and an enemy has 20 armour you'll do 5 damage

so thats an extra 5 damage then with what youre asking

[worn carbon]

bruh

thats so miniscule

[halcyon comet]

is that for a totem?

[ripe bone]

you would level up the totem to max when you use it, then it would be like 12~

which does add up if you do an arrow hail of 10 hits

[halcyon comet]

yeah I was about to say once it is levelled up it would be a bit more

[worn carbon]

but thats competing for the same slot as stuff like +35 damage to nearby enemis

[halcyon comet]

Depends on your playstyle and what you think you'll find more value in ig

[worn carbon]

you hit 1 dude for 3k and the others for 1k

fair

[halcyon comet]

Is that the rat totem

[worn carbon]

yes

[halcyon comet]

thats next on my list to farm x)

[worn carbon]

dont forget the totem that just increases charge time

soyou can slam out even more arrow rains

[halcyon comet]

Yeah thats what I use alr

[worn carbon]

i just wish some of the totem modifiers werent so mid.

like 1 modifier is "8% random critical hits at 8:45 pm on tuesdays" and the other is "you attack 25% faster"

[smoky crater]

Wonder what would happen if DE just completely removed the damage number visuals...
Maybe even healthbars from regular enemies...

[worn carbon]

its not like warframe where every weapon has 8 mod slots + an exilus + 2 special mod slots

[edgy sapphire]

okay last question i got a quest saying to use 3 runes in battle where else can i equip a rune i thought it was weapon and sidearm only...

sorry if im asking in the wrong chat

[ripe bone]

i think it means use a rune 3 times in battle

[smoky crater]

Means activate it 3 times

Not 3 runes

[worn carbon]

i dont feel like that would be a good idea

maybe make it a toggle

[ripe bone]

you can play with no hud and see if you like it

its actually kinda fun for a bit

[smoky crater]

Just an idea from seeing such minmax behaviour

[worn carbon]

i mean, its from the same devs of warframe. THE minmax game

[halcyon comet]

these sort of games are all about the minmax for some players, thats where the majority of the fun comes from

[worn carbon]

like i dont think theres a game you can minmax harder in than warframe

[smoky crater]

Cant say i find minmaxing enjoyable in the slightest but ok

[halcyon comet]

yeah agreed at least not in my experience, maybe something like WOW idk

[ripe bone]

some people like numbers go up

[halcyon comet]

some people just love numbers maybe a little bit too much >.<
-# myself included

[ripe bone]

some people like immersion

[worn carbon]

i mean you dont really NEED to minmax in this game. just by playing (especially by using bow) you will do extremely well

but overkilling the boss by 5k damage as opposed to just 2k damage is a genuine dopamine generator to me

[smoky crater]

I mean yeah i like big number too but there's a limit to what im willing to do tp get big number go up more either gameplay wise or just buildcrafting wise

[halcyon comet]

yep same here, my mindset is if I have nothing left to really do, why dont I try and push everything to its limits, kinda the same as 100%'ing a story game if that makes sense

[smoky crater]

I like fights where i actually have to deal with the enemies rather than just steamrolling thru anything

[halcyon comet]

I think finding everything to minmax and the experimentation it takes to get there is one of the big appeals to me

[worn carbon]

i can understand that

[halcyon comet]

definitely understand both sides of the fence on this one, and even moreso can understand why people dont find minmaxing fun

[worn carbon]

my main thing in this game is just that most of the enemy AI is really simple so i try to nuke them as fast as possible

[smoky crater]

Just now remembered that crimson desert does this

[worn carbon]

nimrod was difficult because you need to watch the very obvious telegraphs that no other boss has
the new trio boss is difficult because its just projectile vomit

[smoky crater]

Soulframe come bullet hell

[worn carbon]

i want more bosses like nimrod, i wouldnt mind health gating for the purpose of difficulty

like, you can do 802103109 damage but a third of his hp will at max vanish and he enters a second phase

[knotty imp]

bruh we need more info for stuff like dmg dealt, not less

[smoky crater]

Oh hell nah

We have enough

[ripe bone]

i find nimrod's melee telegraphing to be severely lacking though, his slams are at least more doable now

[knotty imp]

lol no

not having basic numbers in the arsenal for your pact skills or the arts for any weapon tree? like come on

[smoky crater]

Ngl i found the old slam more easily dodgeable 👀

[halcyon comet]

@ripe bone holy shit you were right that hail bleed is disgusting LOL

[knotty imp]

not knowing the base duration of a thing does nothing to improve or elevate the gameplay in any meaningful way

[ripe bone]

its pretty much rune strength attack without a rune

[smoky crater]

Was like.. Half a second after the circle started fading away that you'd just dodge+roll and you fine. Imo was more easily noticeable too

[worn carbon]

i can wholeheartedly agree with this.

[knotty imp]

this is why I despise when other devs like fromsoft seem obsessed with hiding stuff like that from you

[halcyon comet]

yeah very much so...

[smoky crater]

Certain things like that yeah sure

[halcyon comet]

this is one of the things ive got in my list of feedback x)

Not being able to see buff durations, ability durations, status effect durations, etc. is a bit annoying

[knotty imp]

now of course one thing I'd prefer they avoid is UI clutter that warframe has, with a trillion buff duration icons that pop in and out constantly

[worn carbon]

i want UI elements for orengall pact abilities
(wolf companion HP bars, wolf transformation timer)

[smoky crater]

But i also feel like if you get thrown all the info about everything, it'll just be warframe's minmaxing + balancing situation all over with regular players either getting nerfed to the ground or getting insanely strong for no reason

[worn carbon]

i mean tbf warframe (outside steel path) was really easy

[smoky crater]

Which i honestly would not want to see for this game

[knotty imp]

whether they nerf or buff a thing has little to do with us being able to simply see number for thing in question

[smoky crater]

Seeing all numbers enables that hardcore minmaxing way more tho.

[knotty imp]

cus if that were the case, runes/totems would be just as vague in their descriptions with 0 numericals

[worn carbon]

i mean, the primary audience is hardcore minmaxers tbf

most people that have played this have played warframe

[smoky crater]

I wouldnt say that

[halcyon comet]

for longevity of the game yeah...

[knotty imp]

but you cannot avoid minmaxximg in a game like this, it's just going to increase with time , for better or worse

[halcyon comet]

like when theyre looking at what kind of players will still be playing this in 10 years time... its pretty much that

[ripe bone]

i think scott mentioned wanting to add ability information on some devstream but it wasnt ready yet

[worn carbon]

gotta let em cook

[ripe bone]

and im pretty much for it if they get to it

[worn carbon]

they've been absolutely cooking up a delicous feast of a game so far

cant wait for full release

does DE count as a AAA dev?

[smoky crater]

Also do disagree, sure there are a lot but i wouldnt say it's that massive of a portion. Sure might be the case atm too but i do think overtime it'll shift more towards people who havent played warframe

[knotty imp]

Like imagine sf 10 years from now, I really doubt it will still just be "that cozy game with animals ,nature and some combat mechanics "

[smoky crater]

I'd say AA with a small AAA studios budget maybe

[worn carbon]

its either gonna lean more towards fast paced horde gameplay (like wf)
slower paced more swingy combat (like fromsoft games)

[knotty imp]

Like, from the horse's mouth, WF was meant to be like left 4 dead but in space lol

[worn carbon]

thats my general prediction

[smoky crater]

And the plan is for it to be the opposite of warframe

[halcyon comet]

opposite in terms of theme yes, core gameplay and grind loop though is probably going to have a lot of similarities

[worn carbon]

the core gameplay loop is almost identical tbh

[halcyon comet]

it already does

[smoky crater]

This is kinda meant to be what warframe was supposed to initially be. A slow paced game

[knotty imp]

it can be, but just cus we don't have bullet jumping or archguns doesn't mean the power scaling won't go crazy style

which is kind of what I am afraid of

[smoky crater]

Copy paste ezpz yeah when working on things

[worn carbon]

if warframe was the same way it was on release today i dont think it would have nearly as many players

[halcyon comet]

whatever it is supposed to be or turns out to be, im thoroughly enjoying it

[smoky crater]

I have hope for the power scaling to stay balanced and not warframey

[worn carbon]

only thing i hope they dont do is how wf introduced a bunch of systems just to abandon them (arch guns, arch wings, kdrives, railjack, etc)

[smoky crater]

Or well... Become more balanced than it is now anyways

[worn carbon]

arch guns dont even have galvanized mods 😭

[knotty imp]

hmmm maybe , see I'd agree if this were a single player soulslike with online features, but being a live service changed everything about the progression curve

[smoky crater]

[worn carbon]

i do hope they add instanced base co-op sections

[ripe bone]

i do genuinely hope DE will invest more devtime into balancing the game, right now it feels like many pacts are being neglected and arent very coherent in terms of function, while others power creep very fast, especially in multiplayer

[worn carbon]

instead of HAVING to invite someone to see someone else

[smoky crater]

Think they mentioned matchmaking for something in the future possibly

[knotty imp]

I imagine it'll be harder for them to keep it "slow paced" as time goes on

[smoky crater]

I doubt they'll just cave in and commit warframe 2.0 tho

[worn carbon]

i mean i dont mind it being slow paced at all, i wouldnt mind if some dungeons took longer

more puzzles

the puzzle for the tri-amulet was so peak

[knotty imp]

Niobe labs of soulframe lulz

[smoky crater]

Tbf multiplayer at this point feels a bit like an afterthought

But yeah agree

[knotty imp]

yea when they increased player count to 4 in a random hotfix after deliberating over it so much before was a bit of a flabbergast

[ripe bone]

i mean you make something like duelo which has % virtue increase that stacks with other duelos then be surprised when you can stack stats incredibly high

[worn carbon]

i lowkey dont know if they should be able to stack like that

or if only the highest one should apply

[smoky crater]

Flat numbers for dmg not % or multipliers pls...

[halcyon comet]

yeah currently multiplayer is just an almost guaranteed steamroll x)

[knotty imp]

they'll prolly make highest one apply, like some buffs in wf

[ripe bone]

they probably shouldnt be multiplicative, if it was additive maybe, but rn 4 spirit duelos can theoretically get to 300+ spirit

[worn carbon]

holy

wait what does cooldown for gun look like at 300 spirit

[smoky crater]

With how the game is percentage and multiplier based buffs just... Dont belong anywhere near here

[worn carbon]

HOW HIGH CAN YOU GET THE GUN DAMAGE IF YOU HAVE MAX COURAGE

[knotty imp]

the gun that can kill reality

soul gun

[worn carbon]

4 duelos (3 with max spirit) and the last with max courage

all press 2

the courage duelo gets like 300+ courage

[echo heron]

is the boss at the rovgot has respawn timer asw

[smoky crater]

No

[worn carbon]

soul glock

[tender bone]

What the hell

[echo heron]

so i can spam that

[smoky crater]

Yes

[knotty imp]

yep kill ds wyrm

[echo heron]

i will pluck its legs one by one

[ripe bone]

2k flintlock with zero cooldown ;-;

[knotty imp]

they really need to buff that damn wyrm, bastard moves in practically slow mo lol

[echo heron]

its always one shot

[worn carbon]

big numbers make my brain tingle

[echo heron]

oh

[ripe bone]

to be honest currently grace is the best way to scale since its quadratic with the stat since you have 2 multipliers

[knotty imp]

perhaps he is a preview of what they want to do, since that tileset itself was stated to be like a demo of the full thing

[echo heron]

does mora's hand inferno dmg applies to teammate asw

[worn carbon]

what bow does highest damage if scaled with 5 grace pips?

jupiter right

[echo heron]

starling

[knotty imp]

if u mean 3rd skill then nah don't think so

[worn carbon]

the wyld sirin bow?

[echo heron]

i meant if you hit em with 3rd then your teammate dmg em

like heat inherit type shi

[knotty imp]

well either way don't think inferno does friendly fire dmg

[ripe bone]

it applies a heat proc @echo heron , if the team applies another heat it will stack

[echo heron]

ah

thats what i want to know

[knotty imp]

but I don't use the legendary oven mitt of mora myself, much less so in coop, so what do I know 🤷‍♂️

[echo heron]

im thinkin of gettin duello buffed with other pacts

orengall osceldra and mora as support

[knotty imp]

or go 3 duello and 1 mora hand

[halcyon comet]

Juniper would right because you can get 5 grace pips to scale with grace and then the added 2 spirit?

[echo heron]

make a one shot blicky

[halcyon comet]

whereas starling is only 5 grace pips

when attuned

[dusk karma]

im trying to bond with a sould in the tutorial but its not working for me

[knotty imp]

also never would've expected a fencing pact to have this much build diversity

[echo heron]

i mean orengall buffs grace and osceldra's petrify gives 2x dmg

[dusk karma]

how do i bond the left click doesnt work

[knotty imp]

relog and try again or just ignore him for now

[worn carbon]

orengall is still my favorite pact
even if duelo is op rn

[halcyon comet]

try relogging a few people have had issues w this

[echo heron]

its good but im too comfy with tethren

[knotty imp]

teth for me cus it does the damn job of sending these fools back to the shadow realm

[echo heron]

its like slapping any trash wpn on saryn

[worn carbon]

yeah but you can summon and become woof

🐺

[knotty imp]

wish I could summon all 3 dogs at once

[echo heron]

i want to ride woof

when

[knotty imp]

after tennocon prob

[echo heron]

i want to cosplay mononoke

[ripe bone]

-# moon moon get stuck on terrain and wont come help me fight etheldred ;-;

[knotty imp]

since the tennocon reveal will most likely go more into mount detail

[knotty imp]

I also think reason why mounts are taking so long is cus they also wanna add mounted combat + mobs that can do the same

[worn carbon]

i want flying enemies

we have so many ranged options and no real requirement for any

[echo heron]

indeed

i want to do a drive by in soulframe js like hildryn motorcyle bug

[worn carbon]

i need nova ported directly into soulframe

preferably with the kaya skin

[knotty imp]

lol lore accurate kaya

dimension jumping now

[worn carbon]

god nova was such a peak warframe

[knotty imp]

"was"?

[worn carbon]

is

its my favorite

i only way was cuz im on my bi-anual hiatus from warframe

[knotty imp]

I see

[worn carbon]

press 4 to legalize nuclear bombs

press 2 to throw nuclear bomb

[knotty imp]

I guess teth + runes is that here lol

[worn carbon]

fair

but not as many explosions

[knotty imp]

need the demolition pact for that

maybe just mount a bisulcam on my shoulder

[worn carbon]

pact who's whole gimmick is explosions sounds peak

make you able to self damage for the love of the game

[knotty imp]

CHROMA SELF DAMAGE REFERENCE

[worn carbon]

xD

[echo heron]

what are the drop chance of the cenoblade smth

[knotty imp]

cenotaph? kinda uncommon

[worn carbon]

id say maybe like

[echo heron]

does cogah helps

[worn carbon]

15%

[knotty imp]

keep smacking wyrm you'll gettem

[worn carbon]

rough estimate though

[echo heron]

damn

[halcyon comet]

50/50 you get it or you dont

[echo heron]

i need to bring lube for ts

[knotty imp]

bruh wasn't here on release of p14 to farm lyke wake 😭

[worn carbon]

Bro that was aids

[knotty imp]

diabolical

[worn carbon]

sub 1% droprate with only 2 chances to get it in the dungeon

[knotty imp]

is a pretty good weapon tho

[worn carbon]

since it was bugged for the enemies that werent pre-spawned to not be able to drop it

[lament path]

At least the dungeon is faster to run than organs and not time limited

[worn carbon]

true

[echo heron]

nah i was locked in on marie all day

[worn carbon]

now the lyke wake is super easy to get

i dont like how the shield looks upside down when in use

[knotty imp]

oh I remember when the organs came out and had a trillion erstroots to offer

[lament path]

Compared to absolute nothing, some rewards are just painful

[knotty imp]

on top of the entire jazz set and clivers

wazz*

[lament path]

Early miri siege threw salt into the wound even on s rank

[worn carbon]

i accidentally farmed the wazz set lmao

[lament path]

"I did all of this for a common drop?"

[knotty imp]

watch, they gonna add a pity token store for all siege and that's what Ode infamy rep will be used for

[worn carbon]

ooh thats not a bad idea

[echo heron]

where to get that

[worn carbon]

dungeon in southeast of map near fallen skytower

[lament path]

Me bullying the ode by kicking them in a corner for infamy

[knotty imp]

maybe the individual siege bosses will just hunt you down wherever at high enough infamy, hence the name of the mechanic

[worn carbon]

i hope ode infamy lets ode nearby increase in strength and rank

[lament path]

I do expect ambushes and the like

[echo heron]

the what ruins

[knotty imp]

Cus i always wondered what would a "stalker " type enemy be in soulframe, though there is one prime suspect for the role 👀

[echo heron]

that ruins

1/3 cenotaph

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-gif-1552484032479568873

[worn carbon]

yeah you get the lyke wake in the same dungeon as cenotaph

[knotty imp]

yea lyke wake drops from the sludge guys in same dungeon as rovgot

[echo heron]

0/3 lyke

[worn carbon]

its actually only 2 frags for lyke

[echo heron]

0/2 then

[knotty imp]

put the bottle down, sir

[echo heron]

call me sticky finger coz im boutta zip on these ruins

[knotty imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sent-flying-cat-sent-flying-gif-3754963774673109749

[worn carbon]

I want more of a heater shield / short sword weapon

[echo heron]

https://tenor.com/view/jojopfp-gif-21927716

[worn carbon]

Lyke wake was close but the shield is upside down

[lament path]

We still dont have a three star shield 😔

[worn carbon]

Reminds me of shields with cut outs for spear formations

[knotty imp]

I want a giant tombstone slab of a shield, but as its own weapon class - tower shields or siege shields

[worn carbon]

Y e s

Imagine great-hammers or mauls

So many ideas to play with

[knotty imp]

they couldn't be thrown ofc but you'd be basically impenetrable

[trim willow]

mmm double shields

[worn carbon]

Introduce a set of melee weapons that can't be thrown in exchange for special attacks

[worn carbon]

Do not.

[trim willow]

Double SHIELDS

[knotty imp]

double parry buckler hell yea, grace build

[trim willow]

grace? Sir this is a C O U R A G E household

screw it, double spirit magic barriers even

[knotty imp]

then double wield spiked shields that can bleed or something

[worn carbon]

Giant door shield from ds3

[trim willow]

oooooh thats a good idea, or fast punching weapons! for the gracies

[knotty imp]

knock knock

[worn carbon]

With the kind of game this is. It has so much potential for weapons

And I know they can do it, take a look at warframe

I want my syam more every day

[knotty imp]

one ancestor guy they teased on stream had a giant mansized blade wheel

[trim willow]

https://tenor.com/view/wheel-skeleton-pruld-ds3-ds2-ds-gif-21781255

tis he?

[ripe bone]

mistgale be like:

[knotty imp]

though they probably gonna get thru all the "classic" medieval weapons first, like flails, hammers, spears, etc

[worn carbon]

How do you get mistgale?

[halcyon comet]

excited for potential javelins

[knotty imp]

crump knell knight in cogah

[hybrid pine]

how do I get the waste bear quest? I have completed brewer of hues

[ripe bone]

old (but not too old) mistgale was pretty much syam vfx

[knotty imp]

new mistgale is way better anyway

[worn carbon]

what exactly does mistgale do?

[knotty imp]

huge beam that also builds ton of stagger

[worn carbon]

hmm ok

[knotty imp]

on cast, mistgale releases a much wider version of that beam as in the gif above

Deals a ton of dmg and stagger

It also does penetrate thru mobs, so basically syam

[ripe bone]

it deals like 1.5x~ heavy attack damage, which isnt too much when you think single target, but it does aoe at least

[knotty imp]

yea but then u add in other stuff like teth buffs, etc

[lament path]

It can stagger elites which is why it is really nice to use

[knotty imp]

and it do be bonky

[ripe bone]

i really like the splitbolt new vfx though, it feels so satisfying to use

[knotty imp]

also harder to miss with it unlike everflame, since you are launching a projectile

[worn carbon]

i wish that missing with everflame just refunded your rune charge

[knotty imp]

or not spend teth 1 charges on just any swing

guess it's the trade off for ultimate dmg lol

[outer olive]

anyone have any good routes/methods for farming crypt keys?

[halcyon comet]

just playing the game naturally and taking out Sinecure camps you should find a fair amount of them

No actual farming method though if youre trying to stack up an unholy amount x)

[knotty moon]

I don't feel like it is necessary, but this should be a good route (arrows are dungeons to reset the spawns).
It is thought of for the Orst, but they should also drop keys.

[coral rock]

I cannot for the life of me make avex feel good

[frank barn]

I use the arrow rain rune and its ok

[knotty moon]

Happens, max it and switch.

[frank barn]

Its satisfying to get that first shot on a line of enemies with it

Atleast until ode learn to stop marching in straight lines

[knotty moon]

I once had two patrol overlap in different directions, was a fun day to cast Gun.

[frank barn]

Any one else notices fly blade heavy attack sometimes teleporting you to enemies?

[outer olive]

ty i appreciate it, i noticed they dropped from the sinecure banneret's and bosses i accumulated 7 so far

[halcyon comet]

heck yeah nice :)

[outer olive]

ooo ty i appreciate it, this is a good route b/c at the north end you can run the mockery set boss thrice impidh

within the glades

[jaunty dirge]

thats when you use the staff to blast them in the head

[outer olive]

or i could do a loop and include the wraith of wastes but i noticed those lavender flowered chests often drop the keys too

[glad sapphire]

how do I beat Discharged boss at Organ place?

Because he is regenerating all the time

[frank barn]

you can use a potion called cloud quell or just out damage it. I think you can also cheese him by blasting him with the organ but that was just a rumor I heard

[glad sapphire]

can't use organ

already tried it ^^

but how I increse dmg? this game doesn't say much 😅

[undone minnow]

you can still nuke him

you need to do it before finishing the organ

[glad sapphire]

i tried only heavy attacks do dmg

[undone minnow]

but cloudquell is the answer if you are not able to use the organ

[glad sapphire]

and after draining some hp he regenerates from lighting or jumping up

[smoky crater]

yeah cloudquell removes those abilities

[glad sapphire]

where do i get the potion?

[undone minnow]

you can craft it at Verminia (The rat lady)

[glad sapphire]

Thanks I will check it out

[frank barn]

This means your weapons are too weak. You need to use a weapon aligned with your virtues and/ or increase your level.

[snow igloo]

Easy mode activated.

[halcyon comet]

only took me a couple days of enduring bad RNG

BUT LETS FKN GOOOOO

[prisma tinsel]

Guys, 16K limit faction points, "per faction" or "in total" across all factions? As in I can do 16k to all 3 or only in 1?

[trim oriole]

total across all

per day

[prisma tinsel]

Thank you

[sour pilot]

I'm confused, what's the spawn time for the Mendicant King?

[regal shadow]

should be 30 mins, like all other agari bosses

[sinful scarab]

should be but it isn’t, not sure what is the exact time i just kill him once and ignore him and the next runs

[regal shadow]

i know it was bugged for a while where he was still on old 3 hour cooldown when other agari got changed to 30 mins but i thought they fixed him

[tacit panther]

same for me, it was my last rune

[turbid cedar]

I said oooooooooo im blind
no i cant see

[ripe bone]

Huh that bug still exists

[distant jungle]

What bug is it?

They're still being damaged so they don't have the Nightfold bug active, it just looks like night.

And they flintsmoked up and are probably on a pure Grace build, so they're oneshotting the bosses.

All of that checks out.

[halcyon comet]

Oh no it's bugge- oh... nope thats just Grace build

[distant jungle]

Ah I see, they're getting Fellust without it dropping, probably. I know you can onetap without it.

I don't even know if they are tbh cus I've seen damage like that without it.

Just from double-dipping into the Grace multi cus they're both unaware and it's a finisher.

[thorn ruin]

Hello guys
How do I rank up Verminia ?

[visual radish]

Brew new stuff

Colors and potions

Also only works the first time

[tawny lance]

Is Bromius passive bugged? Some enemies take the mitigated damage while others simply don't take damage at all or only take damage on certain attacks

[thorn ruin]

i changed color of my armour multiples times also and i have just these 3 items i can craft i don't have the 3

[visual radish]

Not changing color, brewing new colors

[finite stone]

Do you already have all 3 enclave palettes?

[finite stone]

Ah wait, looking at this screenshot I can see your issue. You're already at Rank 2, because you can brew the Cogah, the issue is that the game's UI is currently bugged to show incorrect ranks

so don't worry, you already finished Verminia lol

[thorn ruin]

okay that it is bug but why can i craft the other items

[naive merlin]

question guys how do i get Odiac weapon

[cosmic temple]

What's it mean when you on on a part of the map that is shrouded in fog of war? Like it never reveals the map? (I'm loving this game btw. Incredible lore, exploration and combat).

[visual radish]

Unstabbing the trees is what reveals the map

[finite stone]

You just have to kill any of the enemies listed under its dropsources on https://wiki.avakot.org/Odiac, there's quite a few of them:

[finite stone]

Keep an eye out for trees that look like this!

Oh whoops tagged the wrong person hahaha sorry Delta

But yeah that's what they look like @cosmic temple ^

[visual radish]

I wonder if the trees will be more distinct in other islands

I was imagining yesterday an idea of having roots with pulsing energy to help guide players towards world trees

[finite stone]

I'd love them to all be thematic to each isle it'd be great

huge grimpante trees for Aurel

[visual radish]

Like have a small section of surfaced root that pulses towards the relevant world tree

[finite stone]

maybe zenith / arid caravan's desert land would have great ancient cacti or something hahah

[finite stone]

damn that's a great idea, yeah have some guidance but make it feel subtle and natural

[visual radish]

Also make it the sickly blue of the oden before you unstab and change to green after unstab

[snow igloo]

yes grace assassin build

[eternal grotto]

HEY PEOPLE

I need help

[old burrow]

What’s the reset on Rovgot Ruins? I’m torturing myself trying to get the motes.

I’m thinking I can just logout and back in.

[eternal grotto]

I'm doing the Burning Sage quest, but i've got to a place where there was a big organ that shoots lightning, and i've defeated the boss and broken the the organ, but the quest still wants me to find Rodrich's path. But when i go where the soulguide indicates, there nothing there.

[smoky crater]

Assume either relog or having 1 ingame day pass

[sick veldt]

might not be rigth place for this question. But how do i contact someone from support? its been 12 hours since I opened a ticket with no response.

[smoky crater]

That's semi normal.

[old burrow]

I don’t think that’s unusual given this is an early stage game.

[smoky crater]

Especially considering it's the weekend now.

[old burrow]

I’d recommend continuing to wait

[smoky crater]

Thas kinda unrelated to it honestly but ye

[tacit panther]

you have to find College of Pensives i guess ?

[smoky crater]

Probably not gonna get a response til monday possibly

[sick veldt]

well i wanted to play this weekend but got a false ban i think....kindda lame they cant seem to help mee. but ty for info.

[smoky crater]

False ban?

What for even

[old burrow]

Usually early stage has less support and lots of tickets (bug reports etc). Seems like it is related :p

[smoky crater]

Not really

I got a response to a ticket recently within like 10 hours ish or bit less

[sick veldt]

would lovee to know but no one telling me, i cant login no matter what i try. feel kinda foolish with giving them thee 100$ now.

[old burrow]

Glad you got a quick reply

[old burrow]

What’s happening when you try to login?

[eternal grotto]

Yeah. This is the quest and what stage of it i am.

[smoky crater]

Tried changing your password?

[old burrow]

That looks password or username related

[sick veldt]

twice now

[smoky crater]

Hm

[old burrow]

Hrmmm

[half talon]

It may be something simple like accidental click in password. Are you able to log into Soulframe.com?

I would wait for support to reach out. Sometimes they work weekends, sometimes not.

[smoky crater]

It does say the same thing even after a ban so

[old burrow]

It doesn’t hurt to troubleshoot

[sick veldt]

iv done all thee troubleshooting i can

[old burrow]

Helix was wondering if you tried logging in on the website to see if it worked

[sick veldt]

sorry, it does work.

[sick veldt]

it does, sorryy diddnt see this. trying to find more ways to fix it haha

[tacit panther]

he location is here i guess ? :

[half talon]

Okay then yes your best bet for now is to wait for support. If it is an accidental (or otherwise) ban, it’s better to not discuss that.

However, accidents have and do happen. I will say if you have any third party software (overwolf, etc) it’s very possible it may have triggered something in the software for a soft ban.

If that is the case, support will be the only one to assist with that.

[sick veldt]

i dont have any overlays on which is why im so confused.

[eternal grotto]

Can't say for sure. Haven't opened up all the map fog.

[old burrow]

That makes sense. I’ve seen people banned for a vpn in another game but it got resolved

[sick veldt]

Thank you for all the help everyone. ❤️

[eternal grotto]

Guess i'll try to get to all the trees and then get on with the quests

[tacit panther]

its middle east

[old burrow]

Wish you could play it’s a long weekend for me so I’d be hoping for a fast reply too

[eternal grotto]

But no. This is where i am. Far east.

[old burrow]

You need some help finding a tree? You could inv me. Sorry I didn’t see the whole convo

[tacit panther]

the tree is close ^^

[eternal grotto]

Yep, looked up a map with all the trees and places. And i had already opened the Dermark Undercity, wich is very close to it. Going there now

[eternal grotto]

Nope, it's just going to help me get a better view as i go through quests

Thanks for the offer @old burrow . But for now i'll keep solo. Good game everyone, and thanks for all the help.

[visual radish]

fairly sure the ban message says you are banned, that just says there is some issue logging in

[old burrow]

You’re welcome! Have fun

I haven’t seen a ban example but I think Wagii said it looks the same

[naive merlin]

anyone can help me get odiac?

idk farm spots and shi

so if anyone free to join

[solemn sequoia]

whats the point of the quicksilver and feybalt if the gildaur is half the price

[smoky crater]

used to be differences between the joineries. gildaur is still the one that goes to any weapon type but quicksilver feybalt and verite are weapon type specific

so probably that's why

[gloomy briar]

I wonder if they’ll still change.

I also wonder of the plethora of Eldore joineries I have will have any trading value when trading gets introduced.

[craggy wraith]

so i hopped into the game again after a break of like half a year. and upon the greeting screen after the login it said something of some kind of an island. where do i find it?

[gentle crow]

northwest corner of the map theres an island you can swim to

[craggy wraith]

this one ?

or is it more near the coast?

[unkempt pivot]

hey guys hope everyone is having a blessed day! looking forward to getting to know the community ❤️

[craggy wraith]

welcome to the community then :D

[unkempt pivot]

I am honored haha thank you

[silent bone]

since when did npcs have this stance?

[gentle crow]

They're friendly! They swear!

[silent bone]

i did wake them up from their sleep so i got why theyre mad

[autumn violet]

does anyone know how to equip runes?

im trying to to the warrior and it tells me to press A and left click to use the rune

[gentle crow]

in your arsenal next to the weapon

[smoky crater]

click on the small circle next to your weapon in the armoury

[autumn violet]

but it simply doesnt work

[smoky crater]

an... AZERTY user??

[autumn violet]

now that im in the circle thing

how do i put it in?

[smoky crater]

middle circle ._.

[autumn violet]

what if it isnt compatible

[smoky crater]

._.

uhhh.....

[sacred girder]

Change weapon type

[smoky crater]

yeeeeeeah

[autumn violet]

uhh

i would need to equip a sword as a mage?

[sacred girder]

You can use any weapon with any pact

[drowsy crypt]

Pacts aren't weapon specific

[sacred girder]

You dont really need to use runes early game. I reccomend fighting bosses and tagging along with other people doing bosses to get runes

Magic runes are a little rarer, I think there's only 2?

[autumn violet]

bro i cant pact with this ghost thing

[coral rock]

Sometimes it bugs out, happened to me

You should be able to just leave lol

[autumn violet]

this guy

he js doesnt want to leave

[sacred girder]

Yeah that guy is old and useless

[autumn violet]

yh but i dont think we can go if we dont pact w him right?

[sacred girder]

You should just be able to leave

[autumn violet]

to where

[coral rock]

Protogen detected

Give toast

[sacred girder]

Unfortunately I dont toast anything

[coral rock]

Damn

[sacred girder]

I do however single handedly skyrocket RAM prices

[coral rock]

Hey, better you than the datacenters

[sacred girder]

People recognize what my pfp is startlingly often. Didnt know so many furries / people who know about the fandom play warframe/soulframe

[coral rock]

It was super surprising! Pretty much everyone I know IRL that plays is a furry too lol, we're everywhere

[marsh relic]

Are "blessed by" Joineries still considered rare?

[sacred girder]

No, they are the only usable kind. Thrice blessed are the rarest

[marsh relic]

ok ok that makes more sense I was so confused when I got 2 of them back to back lol

[gentle crow]

Sometimes the once blessed is all you need depending on the weapon

[rocky halo]

I'm torn between which to choose as an Oscelda Druid (healer). Any input would be appreciated!
I'm not certain if these choices (Rank 1 Faction level up) even matter. Any insight?

[smoky crater]

doesn't matter which you choose

[prisma tinsel]

You can buy them anytime later!

[rocky halo]

Is this more of a lore thing then?

[smoky crater]

nop

just a reward

Odiac's a sidearm magick weapon, Epona a color palette, Wulder a sword

that's all there is to it

[rocky halo]

Thank you for the explination!

I see now once I've chosen the reward, how I can purchase the other two. ty

[smoky crater]

just get more rep from the tales from the world trees and buy them

rank ups and the stuff you can buy from the faction use the same currency

very shrimple

[rocky halo]

I see that now. hell yeah

[marsh relic]

So like how rare are those thrice blessed ones you mentioned?

[smoky crater]

not all that rare really

[marsh relic]

Ah okay

So don't get too hyped about getting 2 just now?

Cause I remember getting a blessed by back in preludes 11 basically meant you won the lottery

[distant jungle]

When I need more I just camp Thrice-Bound.

He, Ruthos, and Mendiking are the Agari I know of that drop that tier.

All quite a damn walk from each other, sadly.

[coral rock]

What're the top tier melee weapons and bows rn?

[distant jungle]

Check the wiki for which ones have the most damage in the categories you like and that fit with your desired virtue distribution.

Generally, Gath and Purity are still monsters.

[marsh relic]

Give us mounts or give us death

[distant jungle]

Idk about bows, I heard Avex has pretty high base damage.

[coral rock]

Avex feel like poopy to use though lol

[smoky crater]

death it is

[distant jungle]

How so? It shoots like a normal bow.

[marsh relic]

Damn it

[smoky crater]

it's not if you know the correct way to use it 👀

[distant jungle]

A bow's primary DPS is gonna be charged shots.

Avex just has a melee that can crack blocks.

[marsh relic]

Give me ESO style horses and I'll be a happy camper

[smoky crater]

no honses

only woofa

[distant jungle]

And tbh hailing at things is a waste of time DPS-wise, just shooting them does more.

The only thing hail is useful for is smite farming.

[marsh relic]

But horses are cute

[smoky crater]

tru but no honses

[coral rock]

What's the correct way?

[smoky crater]

the way you would use a bow

[distant jungle]

What way are you tryna use it?

Just, charge shot, point at head.

Profit.

Blocking? Stab them, then refer to the previous.

[smoky crater]

alternatively, commit bow melee

because bows can parry

[distant jungle]

That too, they can block and parry as normal.

Though the zoom makes tryna block kind of nauseating.

[coral rock]

Validddd

[distant jungle]

I wish the zoom could be toggled freely.

Cus that'd solve that issue.

Just like, scroll wheel forward, zoom to full instantly. Scroll wheel backward, unzoom to normal vision.

Please DE, I beg of thee. Just an on/off toggle.

Could click in the right thumbstick or something for controller.

[atomic dagger]

chat uhh i think i need some help with something idk
in this mission it says to hold Q to reveal wantering souls and then bond with lmb, but nothing is happening

[smoky crater]

if you found the wandering spirit and used Q+LMB on it, that's all that you need to do at that point

[atomic dagger]

so just nothing obvious happens and it doesnt give me any confirmation that i did what it wanted correctly?

[smoky crater]

character does like a pulling animation but that's it atm

[regal shadow]

it should mark it black in the journal, that means it's completed

[smoky crater]

used to be more obvious but they changed some things and it's like that now so

you do get a temporary rune from absorbing Fenn there until you leave the dungeon but yeah that's it

[hybrid idol]

Duelweilded sidearms

Like double shortblade or gauntlets

[smoky crater]

yes

they exist yes

[hybrid idol]

WORDDDD

i need to knowww whereeee

Like i wanna punch some like i used to in warframe

[smoky crater]

oh you can't punch people yet

the gauntlets are magick weapons

[distant jungle]

You can use dual blades tho.

They're just... the worst weapons in the game.

Get shafted by the flat DR pretty badly.

[smoky crater]

except... far from being bad

if you go to cogah endurance sure

[distant jungle]

They can notably struggle against elites in later levels, just normal map.

Unless propped up with something or you only throw them.

In which case the single blades are better anyway.

Something should be done about their state.

In comparison with every other category, they're pretty bad.

Which is something that needs to get addressed eventually.

[finite stone]

They do have the strongest spectre strike though which is fun! 240% damage mult vs. their base light attack

[distant jungle]

I wonder if that's strongest relative to their own base damage or relative to the final damage of other weapons, lol.

[subtle salmon]

Magic staff/orbiting flyblade is pretty nuts

[distant jungle]

Either way, neat, but those weapons still need a lot of fixing.

[distant jungle]

I had fun playing a triple ranged build as a meme.

Flyblades. When those fail, Bow. When that fails, Flintlock.

It mildly amused me.

But yeah Flyblade support is just pretty damn good.

Even when you just yeet them as normal, they're good as an anti-archer weapon.

Or anti-mage.

Won't do anything to elites tho.

[finite stone]

Relative to their own base damage yes, I think it'd be a case by case determining which feels most powerful overall between any two weapons haha

[distant jungle]

Which they don't need to as a secondary.

Also good to just finish stuff off in melee when using a bow if you don't wanna play bow in close melee.

[subtle salmon]

Yeah, they're free smite procs too besides the disruption and chip damage. Will be nice once they introduce one or 2 more so we can get that tree over 10

[cerulean bridge]

I kinda wish they had a spirit-based flyblade

[drowsy crypt]

I've become a heavy attack Seathorn enthusiast overnight. When aiming for the headshot, I just watch the line of 6 ode evaporate

[cerulean bridge]

I found myself going back to Royal Tines, but Emberaught is better than Flitsmoke on it

since stealth finisher sucks with dual blades because of how the damage is calculated

but smites are so much more reliable with it, since it more consistently triggers smite before the killing blow while still dealing the same DPS

[distant jungle]

Yeah, Sea and Sili both fight for first place right now.

Sili has stronger lights but Sea has an absurd max heavy scaling.

Enough that you cannot reach the cap right now without buffs.

Silistavf.

Seathorn.

[drowsy crypt]

Yeah this cap is absurd and I usually don't like heavy attack magic weapons but when aiming down sights for a pierce headshot it just does work

[neat citrus]

holy shit I didn't realize the heavy was that much better on Seathorn lol

[drowsy crypt]

Which makes me wonder if I can get away with more grace on my oscelda. Would it scale the headshot damage from the heavy?

[neat citrus]

I would assume so yeah

[distant jungle]

I'm pretty sure that heavy is so high that you can't reach it right now even with maxed out Spirit though.

So you'd be better off chugging a Grace potion most likely.

As you'd be sacrificing damage from one source for damage from another, though the crit multi climbs high enough that it'd most probably come out positive.

You could test your current scaling by finding a crate, barrel, or other breakable object and using a charged heavy on it.

[drowsy crypt]

Gunna have to do some.experimenting when I get home

[smoky crater]

can't say i had any issues just now dealing with a lvl 35 ish sinecure officer at all with my clivers

no i don't use rune

[trim oriole]

Any particular reason enemies in this ruin dont scale in cogah?

[amber tendon]

any site or document with updated builds? trying to build bear courage and need some inspiration

[undone parcel]

ive always wondered have they ever mentioned some raid style content?

[trim oriole]

somewhat

they talked about it on stream one about dungeons that have higher than a 3 player limit

though i guess it will be higher than 4 now

[atomic dagger]

For some reason this started happening when i get little dialog sequences?

[cerulean bridge]

Did the wolf puppy always have the facepaint?

[upbeat raft]

Yes

[cerulean bridge]

hmm, I guess I'm just used to him laying on the floor like a rug that I didn't really notice it

(sorry for stepping on you all of the time)

[upbeat raft]

This Last Mote around the College of Pensive is killing me. I’m wondering if motes show up more at night.

[cerulean bridge]

I think they're just easier to see at night

[smoky crater]

i swear to god it did not ._.

never saw facepaint until today on the puppo

in that screenshot*

or it could also be that on the light gray one it's just... very not noticeable i guess

[atomic dagger]

ah.

well i guess thats tbe, its made by the same studio as warframe

[drowsy crypt]

At least you aren't waiting 3 days for a pact

Just 1

[lethal tundra]

@upbeat raft

I think that it's every time you load the world different motes are available.

[smoky crater]

ye

[eternal grotto]

Hey guys. I having a problem with this mission "Mock nor Moan", in it, i've got to a part that asks me to "Enter the Fabled Glades", but when i enter the place it's leading me, the quest doesn't update.

[smoky crater]

run thru the dungeon a bit

sometimes you need to get to a certain point or enter a certain tile to realize you're there

[eternal grotto]

I've just finished the whole thing

[smoky crater]

hm

[eternal grotto]

100%

even took a look at the map to see if i had left something behind before. Then i had to do a run back to the start of it

where the quest is still asking me to "Enter the Fabled Glades"

nvm, just entered again and it updated

hehehe

[fallow arch]

wow I only had to destroy 1 head on the bear

and 1 phased wraith

treefell orst putting in work in cogah

[upbeat mauve]

can anyone tell me how i should alocate my points?

[gentle crow]

you can respec them anytime. I like maxing whatever virtue, 1 in everything else and then extra in voided and rooted

[fallow arch]

you get 15 total

[upbeat cradle]

i like maxing sympathy on the pacts that don't have a natural way of healing, that healing is very nice

[visual radish]

30

[fallow arch]

why did I think 15

[distant jungle]

Personally, on all pacts I play, I max Sympathy, Voided, and all three of the +virtue nodes.

The full heal on smite, massive damage on smite, and moar stats outweigh any passives.

[chilly pivot]

not exactly fitting into any chat, so ill post it here, but "damn, its windy out here"

[upbeat mauve]

im siren

[distant jungle]

This does not change what I said, unless you're using it purely for Pickpocket shenanigans.

And tbh that passive ain't even good outside of a few very specific circumstances.

[fallow arch]

RIP cogah run

[upbeat mauve]

where are the rest???

[oak zenith]

@round granite pls check your friend requests/Pm's 😊

[fallow arch]

enter then exit the enclave, should refresh the motes

[upbeat mauve]

oh okay ty

@fallow archso like nothing chagned 💔

[upbeat cradle]

re-logging is what refreshes the motes, not entering an enclave

[real parcel]

hi, does anyone know where i can get scrap iron consistently, i cant craft anything because i have no scrap iron. quite annoying

[tall root]

You can collect it from Weapon Racks as you’re exploring or purchase with Dracs from Avakot’s Goods.

Steel is also from weapon racks and Brass is from Polearm racks. Hope this helps!

[noble pelican]

:0

[random hill]

Congratz now go get that moonsteel legendary

[noble pelican]

someone has the moonsteel?

[hexed field]

Mirifuir is interesting, don't know if I agree with the range on their spells, the tracking from across the map through tight curves or the ESP they use to block projectiles from point blank taking no stamina damage while doing it because magic, but welp it's done. C rank. first try.

They also need to not be flat immune to smite.

[tall root]

One or two people but that’s all I’ve seen. Someone posted in here a day or 2 ago. 3 Tempers I think.

[distant jungle]

I don't agree with the force of the tracking cus it often just forces a dodge, which can lead to unavoidable damage when anything else is also trying to damage you.

You can't really preemptively dodge it cus it'll curve sharply to hit you anyway.

One of the electric guy's projectiles outright just follows you and can turn 180 several times.

[hexed field]

his tracking is worse than the "flame-on" wizard, because those projos fizzle
<got attacked while typing this, the area outside mirifuir spawns infinite patrols>

any sort of shield should make you take poise damage if it's going to block around the entirety of your character (including the back like I just witnessed with an ode'n heavy shield bearer to one of orengals wolves biting from behind while it blocked my arrows from the front), otherwise make it function like a shield.

[young lodge]

Does anyone have a good Cogah route they could share? Im' not sure if mine is any good since there were some changes in P14 and 14.5

[hexed field]

When is Tuvalkane gonna save my preference to hide what I've already made?

It's a toggle, yes, but it's also an extra button press every interaction
-# my dagger feels incomplete without a rune of it's own...

[tall root]

I second this. #1438224662344761345 ?

[half talon]

I believe the only major change was Reaper's dungeon

[young lodge]

That, and the Crypts teleport doesn't work anymore now that they each have their own dedicated exit.

My old route worked around that

[half talon]

Ah honeslty never used that so...wasn't something I worried about

[young lodge]

I went north crypts to exit at Kearnhold, saved a smidge of time

[upbeat mauve]

whats the best bow i can get for f2p?

[young lodge]

Well you can get everything except the Starling right now, and you'll eventually be able to get that too F2P

[upbeat mauve]

is starling the one with the 30 bucks one?

[young lodge]

I like using Juniper or Blitzel. Juniper is very easy to get and you can get it from a series of totems along the mid-west to west coast of the map

[young lodge]

yes, comes with Wyld Sirin

[upbeat mauve]

i see but overall best? top 1 + drippy f2p

[gilded void]

Hello! Planning to play the game with three of my friends (waiting quite impatiently for the incoming dev stream in the end of May haha).
I have a few questions:

a. How is the content, particularly the group content?
b. How many hours is the current gameplay?
c. Will we be able to play together as a group of four at the start?
d. Are there other ways to get an invite code? I am afraid the dev streams start at 3:30am in our country.

Thank you so much!

[young lodge]

Not sure what you mean exactly, but Blitzel, Juniper, Maestro, and Avex are all pretty similar in their attunement ceiling compared to thistle or Starling which are lower

[half talon]

1. you can do just about anything with multiplayer*
2. Yes*
3. you can purchase a founder's pack or someone else can give a code (but we ask that you not ask in the discord for codes)

*Multiplayer on main fables can be buggy for Clients

[upbeat mauve]

alr ty

[gilded void]

\Ohhh. Thank you so much!

[young lodge]

a. the quests are generally better (and less buggy) solo, but other than that it's good
b. Going through quests and getting the basic level of exploration down will take you maybe 30ish hours. The full grind for getting everything? 150-200+ as of now
c. not RIGHT away, but soon after the beginning sequence, you can join up with friends. Again, the big quests are very solo player tuned, so I'd recommend doing them on your own, but you can do whatever you want
d. DM me and I'll give you the extra codes you need <3

[gilded void]

Thank you thank you so much! I appreciate the help. I sent a dm. 😄

[young lodge]

How I feel swooping in to give my stockpile of codes to people that will actually use them and who weren't begging for them but were just politely inquiring:

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[keen scroll]

Hello fellow Envoys,

Took a bit of a break from Soulframe around Preludes 13 and I’m looking to make my return now that we’re on 14.5.

When I stepped away I was account level 17, had all factions unlocked, and had gathered most (if not all) of the available weapons at the time. Played almost entirely solo the whole way through.

Coming back now and honestly feeling a little lost with all the changes, so I was hoping some of you could fill me in on what I missed — new mechanics, progression changes, systems reworks, what’s worth focusing first, what’s changed with virtues/prisms/weapons, etc.

Also looking for some fellow Envoys to play with. I’ve mostly been solo up until now and figured it’d be cool to finally experience the game with others.

My in-game name is: SK3KM4L

Feel free to reply here or shoot me a DM if easier — I’m not always active on Discord but I’ll get back when I can.

Thank you all, and excited to return to Midrath ✨

[cerulean bridge]

a lot has changed

[young lodge]

Quite a bit. Virtues got reworked AGAIN, a new fable, new dungeon, new siege, bunch of new weapons, new pact, bunch of new mini quests and world activities

[cerulean bridge]

you even missed the prism-based virtue system

[young lodge]

Along with 14.5 introducing a new type of weapon system with one new weapon, which has random rolls and doesn't have to be crafted, the Heavy Ode mace Orst-III

[cerulean bridge]

or was that implemented in P13?

[young lodge]

yep p13

[keen scroll]

Ahh man okay, how many new weapons? Will it take a while to catch up or no. Also how may I obtain this new pact/

[cerulean bridge]

there's a quest to get the new pact

[young lodge]

Through the new fable. Look around the shipwrecks at the coastline, you'll find it

[cerulean bridge]

was it the ship near the new siege?

I can't remember, it's been so long

[keen scroll]

Was there for Prisms, heard the ended up doing a slider which was what I was advocating for so im happy about that

[cerulean bridge]

the slider is the new system

but you need to consume a resource to move the slider

I believe the Agari and Sieges drop it

[keen scroll]

Understood, would anyone be willing to play sometime to help me adapt, lil walk through. game is like warframe, you take a break and its like a whole new game lol

[cerulean bridge]

yeah, I took a break from Warframe a few months before Plains of Eidolon and came back a year after that released...

[keen scroll]

see, exactly what i mean lol

[cerulean bridge]

didn't make that mistake with Fortuna or Deimos, but I did take another LONG break shortly after Deimos...

it was a lot to come back from

I think I didn't come back until 1999 released

it was not the correct decision as a part-time college student...

[upbeat cradle]

from what type of enemy at which level did you get it?

[halcyon comet]

oh my

just switched HDR on for the first time on SF

holy

[trim willow]

he has R I S E N

[distant jungle]

The man that the potions aren't too powerful for.

[halcyon comet]

Tuvalkane is maxed at this currently right?

it's not bugged?

[solid musk]

i really hope one day they will add a way to mass release totems just like you can do with mods in wf

[random hill]

Bugged

[halcyon comet]

oof okay

[glass rain]

Is there a possibility to play it rn?

[halcyon comet]

the game? yeah :)

Can watch the developer streams for codes, buying a founders pack also grants immediate access

[solid musk]

can you be part of more then one enclave at the same time?

[regal shadow]

nope, only 1 at a time

but there's no cooldown to switching them anymore

[solid musk]

so i should get EVERYTHING from one enclave before i go to the next one?

[regal shadow]

if you want to, sure, 's how i did it

[distant jungle]

Your progress is saved.

[frigid agate]

I haven't used Flyblades in a while, can we no longer do a running "heavy" attack where our character throws both towards an enemy?

[distant jungle]

You can, it starts the orbit but you do briefly throw them in front of you and that has a hitbox.

So you just throw them out a bit differently.

[frigid agate]

Wait so our character still throws them towards the enemy after the charging animation?

I'm getting visually confused lol

[distant jungle]

You throw them into an orbit but instead of just tossing them out and instantly orbiting you yeet them like, 2-3 feet forward and then they curve into an orbit.

It's an orbit start nonetheless but that brief yeet forward can hit people.

[frigid agate]

Well that's kinda a downgrade.... for me anyway as i used to do the running heavy throw attack as an opening before getting close for melee.

Shame, was a great way to kill an archer ASAP.

[lethal adder]

Do the Seathorn fragments drop from particular tier 3 Sparrow Tales? Like, certain missions or enemy levels? Or is the drop rate really low, like ultra rare?

[distant jungle]

Just rare and it doesn't announce itself for some reason.

When I farmed it, frags just showed up in my inventory, no notification.

So I'd check your frag tab.

[frigid agate]

I was wondering where i got a fragment from.

[thin dune]

hello there, is there a reason i cannot use virtue lilith ?

[solid musk]

dear god

it took me 13 mintues to do it

[distant jungle]

Upgrading them all?

Or releasing them?

[halcyon comet]

selling it looks like

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah that takes ages lmao.

[solid musk]

yeah, sold so many

[distant jungle]

Make sure to keep 3 of each.

And that totems have multiple versions of the same totem.

[solid musk]

i still have so many more

huh, i maxed out long blades

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah, one of two so far where that'll happen.

That and short blades.

[dire python]

did a solo cogah run, managed to kill almost every overworld agari in one round (I think I missed one at the northeast of the map?

[thin dune]

do you have to level up all the weapons in order to get max level there?

Long sword I mean ^^

[solid musk]

no, i am still leveling up a long sword rn, its not even maxed

[distant jungle]

Yes, leveling a weapon gives you skill points for that category of weapon.

Only two categories have enough members to max out the tree though.

And that entire system is getting revamped eventually.

[solid musk]

look at this, those are all the long swords, the ones that have a red mark means i dont have them yet, those that has a green checkmark means i max them out

[amber tendon]

any website or documents for update builds?

[hollow vault]

i just want to play this game

[hexed spoke]

you wont really need it
The game systems are simple. play what pact you find fun and weapon that compliments it

[echo heron]

0 lyke....

do somethin ref

[solid musk]

is the location of the reaper diffrent?

[naive cloud]

Reaper is in a dungeon I believe

Can’t remember which one off the top of my head tho

[solid musk]

yes but i meant if they moved the location of the dungeon

[naive cloud]

I don’t think so?

[autumn violet]

what weapon do yall reccomand for spirit

i use the base moveset