gameplay-discussion

[distant jungle]

Yeah, so if something says it is better than something else of the same grip-type, that holds true.

Cus the error seems to be proportional.

But everything else is out the window lmao.

It either overshoots or undershoots depending on grip-type.

[naive cloud]

let me go back and test seathorn again since I've hit the cap for that too and the wiki says it's dealing 500 heccin damage

[finite stone]

Yeah magick is the one where it massively exceeds the UI number lol

[naive cloud]

ran out of barrels to shoot lmao need to find another small village to vandalise lol

[finite stone]

undercity is amazing for barrels

[distant jungle]

Watch it be a hidden non-flat DR system that can swing either way, barrels being mildly resistant to phys but weak to magic, thus taking more damage.

A joke, but at this point idfk.

[knotty moon]

Damage vulnerabilities are a thing, I don't think barrels have them though. 😛

[naive cloud]

it's definitely higher than the displayed for charged heavy, but the wiki is stating something insanely different

unlike purity which checked out lol

[finite stone]

You're not at the attunement cap

[knotty moon]

🤔
Are there damage modifying Arts?
Don't remember.

[naive cloud]

I beg your pardon I am aren't I? 50 spirit?

with 5 pips of spirit?

[knotty moon]

Ain't it something like 70?

[finite stone]

There are some, such as orengall's soulbound which gives up to 20 damage

[naive cloud]

I wasn't at the attunement cap for purity either when I got the wiki's heavy attack value

[wet pivot]

hey guys i have a question should i plys with my controller or with the keyboard?

[knotty moon]

Your preference, devs regularly play with both so it should be a polished experience either way.
Personally, I prefer K&M.

[finite stone]

Let's see for magick heavy casts, it's base x 4.5 x rarity mult (150% for seathorn)

which would be 44 x 4.5 x 1.5 = 297 bonus from attunement

You have 50 spirit and 5 pips, so that's 50 x 2.5 = 125

so you have an extra 172 damage missing, I believe you must have some grace scaling going on as well since the cap is 543 not 567

[naive cloud]

wait on that note where the hell is it getting 50 from lol?

[knotty moon]

Talismans and Pact Arts?
No, those should show up there too.

[finite stone]

Yes you were, purity's attunement cap is base x 1.5 = 102 damage.

You had 68 + 102 + 54 + (68 + 102) = 394, which is the damage cap and that's the damage you dealt

(Formula used above)

You were at the attunement cap because even if you increased your virtues further, your attunement bonus (102 damage) would not have gone higher than 102. It was already at 1.5x purity's base damage of 68, which is the cap

[naive cloud]

ah I see magic attacks have a different calculation, that's interesting

[finite stone]

And bows do too 😭

[naive cloud]

which means realistically unless you're buffed up to crap you're not hitting magic caps, that's kinda crap

I no likey that, probably the same for bows

[finite stone]

Now if it's any consolation, there is meant to be a little (i) here next to heavy or charged attacks (I think this is meant to say charged), that says:

Note that Charged Attack damage is not displayed correctly in the in-game UI at the current time. Click here to read the Damage Data section for information on how this is calculated.

Sadly this feature is temporarily missing lmao but we will have it up and running tomorrow is the hope!

So you've got the (i) next to Damage Caps which explains 'damage is capped by the attunement cap'

And then the one next to Charged Attack will explain 'the UI is wrong, here's the math and some data to back it up, also everything's in flux so feel free to kick the wiki team if anything needs a nudge'

[naive cloud]

would love to know where this is coming from though
considering I only have 46 spirit in the loadout menu

[finite stone]

huh yeah that's really weird

[finite stone]

Ooh nice we have one of them! Okay it's just bugged on a couple of different weapon types I think, should be easy to sort tomorrow

[naive cloud]

my wifi just nuked itself, so I'mma relog and see if that fixes the weird virtue thing

[finite stone]

oh waiit I think it's just in the wrong place lmao, it needs to be in the caps not in the stat part

[naive cloud]

so that means realistically I'm not going to be able to hit the magic or bow caps consistently, which makes me just want to play melee for the consistency 🥲 lol

relogging fixed it ^^ how weird lol

so what's the consensus on treefell vs everflame? is treefell better for nuking bosses?

[finite stone]

yeah can confirm treefell is absolutely insane

[naive cloud]

I just managed to get the last 5 runes I needed from cogah in one run 😄 so I'll test it out now xD

[finite stone]

it also shreds through hordes of ode, which... I don't enjoy, it's too much like warframe, but it is the current state of the game

[naive cloud]

it's that good? O_o

[finite stone]

It is imo yeah, if you have a well-attuned greatsword and especially with attack speed totem, activating treefell and repeatedly doing charged heavies just cleaves through foes

[knotty moon]

Apparently fairly good with Mace double spin too, didn't try it yet though.

[naive cloud]

guess I'll give that a try now xD

this is insane

that is actually insanity wtf lol

[finite stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-matrix-laurence-fishburne--k01KS3W67EZ11Q5XQ389MYMJ9P6

[naive cloud]

gunna pair it with this too

[keen seal]

this game refuses to give me treefell

it drops from both mendicant king and vella in cogah right?

[knotty moon]

Should be.

[keen seal]

😔

greatsword my fav weapon type rn but they just refuse to give me treefell

i got tech that could theoretically let me have 100% uptime on treefell in combat without running out of rune charges

[distant jungle]

Tbh if Treefell didn't have a duration at all and was just one hit it would still have use cases from the fast charge and immense range.

And the armor pen giving it a sizeable damage boost anyway.

At the very least it does not need to refresh at all.

But they're still getting a hang of runes so this is all early version stuff. We're even getting something big in P15.

Or so it looks like on the tin.

[naive cloud]

yeah fair enough @finite stone treefell absolutely destroyed this

that feels way too powerful xD

[smoky crater]

I do feel like it should be a one use per charge... Because it goes nuts with orst charged heavies

Literal 5m wide beyblade

[naive cloud]

I NEED to try this out xD

[smoky crater]

[naive cloud]

I need to get one that has faster heavy and stronger heavy tempers

this one is almost a great roll 🥲

[vague bone]

how do you know if its a legendary drop? im keep getting officers

[finite stone]

It will say legendary instead of officer in that same row on the tooltip

[naive cloud]

where it says officer it'll say legendary ^^

[vague bone]

Thank you

[past drift]

Where is Vella these days? Also trying to get a treefell but Vellas old spot is just a normal miniboss now

[knotty moon]

Should still be in that dungeon, the miniboss is just the (new) normal end of dungeon boss.

[finite stone]

Halfway through this undercity

[past drift]

Hmm I checked that one but maybe missed her thank you

[past drift]

I probably saw that one and made an assumption she was replaced. Thanks!

[naive cloud]

So I did a little testing, using the same mace just with swapping out the runes, I can confirm treefell is INCREDIBLE at taking out groups of enemies, however when it comes to bosses it falls really really short of everflame, recorded a little video you'll have to ignore the audio of my partner in the second clip but uh lol @finite stone @smoky crater

[halcyon jolt]

can someone help me please? i need to find the old relic in this room

https://i.imgur.com/lqqg7Pa.jpeg

checked every wall destroyed all boxes cant find it

[distant jungle]

A rune specialized in hitting like 8 guys at once is weaker than a rune that can usually only hit 1 very hard.

Does this not... seem normal?

[naive cloud]

oh no it definitely does lol, I just wanted to compare directly how much of a difference it made xD and it's quite funny to see in practice not just on paper 😛

[distant jungle]

And yeah, runes overall still need tweaking, probably HP and armor as well cus I still say that flat DR ain't gonna last.

But hey we get some kinda rune and totem rework on P15, which is soonish.

[naive cloud]

yeah I'm curious to see exactly what they've got planned for the rework in p15, I'm excited xD

[cerulean bridge]

does Gawth only drop stock orsts still?

it is funny that the Envoy learned to swim before Hydroid and Yareli

[bitter torrent]

Guys! How hard is it to collect the full set of Mestra armor?

[frigid knoll]

what to do with this

[halcyon comet]

It isnt hard. It is just tedious and depending on your rng can take ages

I did 2 and a half laps of the entire map just running the beaches. Still havent gotten the headgear

[languid hill]

deploy the birb

[bitter torrent]

Pulling smite?!

[languid hill]

looks like tuvalkane quest

[frigid knoll]

ye got it

[bitter torrent]

"I'd be kind to see it whole"

[analog vessel]

where on the stupid mace does it say "moonsteel" for the shiny variant?

[cerulean bridge]

I think you need to be looking at it in the tent menu, and it has silver leaves on the border

[analog vessel]

do you have a ss of it?

[cerulean bridge]

nope

[analog vessel]

so this part would be silver then right?

[naive cloud]

ye

[cerulean bridge]

yeah

[analog vessel]

thank you, also rip for military

[fallow arch]

lol I got a stock yesterday

not moonsteel thankfully

[vagrant iris]

wait what is the silver mean?

[half talon]

Moonsteel, aka the shiny variant. For those that love shiny pokemon weapon hunting.

[grand tangle]

i have a question regarding discord and soulframe, this doesn't seem to happen to me on any other game, but for some reason when im tabbed into soulframe my mic lags and kind of bugs out in between words, would anyone know why?

[bitter torrent]

The maximum number of Medals that can be collected is only 50? Or am I bugged?

What I mean is the silver medal that can be sold at the pact enclave for 250xp points

[distant jungle]

Yeah the cap for all three is 50 each.

[vagrant iris]

Does it visually have a difference??

[half talon]

Shimmer apparently.

I don’t have one to show off but there’s a thread. Let me find it…

[vagrant iris]

Ooh... I thought it would be like a CV from Pso2 (color Variant)

[distant jungle]

That is the only difference it has yes.

It sparkles.

[half talon]

#1505326623358976161 message

Just note that you have to check in your arsenal. It doesn’t show in inventory

[distant jungle]

What should happen is it not only showing in your inventory, but it and the craftwork tier being immediately obvious at a glance at the minimized UI, like a border or a symbol or something, rather than having to click one among the giant pile to see what tier it is.

But alas, that is not what we have right now.

[half talon]

I like that. Did you throw something in feedback? I wanna +1 it!

[vagrant iris]

Normal Wingard Series Sword (all atks have a blue and grey haze with a trail of faint angel feathers)

CV Wingard Series (all atks have a Light and Dark Red haze with blood red angel feathers trail)

(the one on the left is a Sword the one on the right is a Wand)

[distant jungle]

I was going to throw one up if the rest of the system being added in P15 didn't fix it, given that it's a very obvious thing to have. Moonsteel not showing up in inventory even when the item is clicked is pretty obviously unintentional, and I don't see them not addressing how hard it is to tell maces apart when you literally have a kajillion of them sitting in 20+ rows of your inventory.

[unborn rain]

🥵 💦

[distant jungle]

It's unlikely enough that it doesn't happen that I was just gonna wait and see rather than yell at them more.

[vagrant iris]

Will the system allow people to farm for any weapon they have crafted/owned before??? (If so def going to be hard farming a Shiny Paragon)

[distant jungle]

Part of the weirdness of getting such a narrow preview, idk what is and isn't good feedback.

[distant jungle]

I don't know for sure, but I have heard some weapons, namely important ones, will remain fragment-crafted, and that the new system isn't meant to cover all weapons.

Could be that whatever upgrade system Tuvalkane gets can just be applied to whatever you have, including one-off weapons, and thus they can climb to the top that way.

[vagrant iris]

In other words.... Any weapon not apart of said system will be forgotten in a week

[distant jungle]

We just don't know cus we have no concrete info to work with.

[vagrant iris]

... Ngl I kind of want, all weapons to have Fragment versions and drop versions that way if someone gets super unlocking in getting a weapon they are after they can always craft a default version of it

And any weapon you have crafted or own, will also be apart of possible loot drop tables

That way ANY and all weapons can have a Default + RNG drop and chance of a shiny Variant dropping thus giving a massive influx of collector content

(Mainly wanting to get all the founder weapons as shinies etc that way when the weapon trading system gets added there would be an active market for them etc)

https://tenor.com/view/gardevoir-pokémon-gardevoir-shiny-pokemon-shiny-gardevoir-pokémon-shiny-gardevoir-gif-26231860

[prisma folio]

Did something break today when I move or buff my vertues my weaponds damage stays the same no mater what I do

[sour pilot]

I'm a little confused about these crypt keys I have, anyone know what they're for?

[ripe bone]

There are a few crypt dungeons you can enter, and the keys are required for that

You can get some nice talisman/armour there

[sly escarp]

Are you possibly already at your weapon's virtue scaling cap?

[soft basalt]

Question from new player. After an about hour my "Q" key not working anymore. Tried to remap this action but same, "Q" stop working. Now im on some statues quest and its required to use it and nothing... its a bug or and solution?

[languid tiger]

How do you trigger smite on these things to unlock them in journal

[vagrant kayak]

That's the neat part! You don't

Can't be Smited (yet) AFAIK

[odd oxide]

Is it possible to change how my envoy looks? Like hair eyes etc

[regal shadow]

Yes, need to complete the brewer of hues fable first

[odd oxide]

Oh oh thanks

[amber tendon]

best way to farm moranite?

is it tales and crypt?

[cerulean bridge]

so I just realized Royal Tines (and other dual daggers) effectively do twice as much damage as what the equipment values say... since the damage is per hit and they hit twice with each attack

[naive cloud]

That’s why their damage is lower

What’s nutty to me is rn the mace is doing the same thing on a heavy attack which absolutely tears through stuff

[cerulean bridge]

which is why I want a better mace...

[naive cloud]

Idk if they use motion values, I assume they do since sprinting attacks do different damage but they could easily fix it with those

[cerulean bridge]

but one nice thing is that attacking twice as fast with smaller hits also makes it easier to get smites that actually give charges...

[naive cloud]

Yeah, also an easy fix with motion values ^^

Unfortunately we don’t know much about what’s going on under the hood so there’s a lot of trial and error

But yeah as things are dual blades are preseeetty busted for smite build up speed, a couple things defo need tweaking for balance and I think they’re gunna be doing more of that for p15

[cerulean bridge]

I'm not complaining since dual blades are my favorite weapons in the game

[naive cloud]

Yeah xD they’re a lot of fun to use

They are a lot stronger than they seem on paper cause of those qualities

[cerulean bridge]

I think I found the problem with Royal Tines... the sneak attack deals damage based on the attack value on the equipment

so Witan seems to be hitting much harder there

now I made a feedback suggestion... since it's really terrible that dual daggers do half as much stealth finisher damage as regular daggers, especially with The Flitsmoke being in the game

[deep osprey]

You guys have any idea how to complete the "Grand Fable" tutorial quest that requires you to wield a rune in battle when the act of earning said rune leveled your weapons up so much that you're 1-3 shotting everything you can find?

[brazen grail]

Punch your enemies until they cough up some charges? Run along until you find some level 30+ enemies? Remove all totems giving more damage or armor pen, an only use ones giving smite chance? Build Garren Rood and build charge without smites? Build some dual blades and use them to build smite?
Note: most of those ideas are way, WAY more of a bother than simply fighting enemies until you happen to get a smite you can use

[languid tiger]

Oh - so the journal can't be completed yet?

[deep osprey]

As far as I can tell, I'm locked out of getting a blacksmith to get any other weapon until I finish this tutorial quest - so, I'm stuck with a magic staff.
As for punching enemies, I literally kicked one of those staghelm greatsword guys to death without a single charge -_-
Of these, the only thing I haven't spent literal hours trying to complete for an early game tutorial quest is spending money to buy and try Garren Rood... Kinda broken quest when starting as Oscelda.

Ah well, thanks for the tips at least.

[vagrant kayak]

Torment Stag shouldn't be that difficult to complete with the starting gear, what are you having trouble with?

[tacit panther]

i found other stuff harder than that

(harder but its ok)

[odd oxide]

how does one get moonsteel thread is it only a bought product?

[finite stone]

It is for now yes! The Founder's packs also contain a bunch alongside their other content. Though DE mentioned there may be ways to earn a few threads in-game in the future

[odd oxide]

ah right

so i guess ill need to hold off on making myself look cool

thanks!

[halcyon comet]

If youre planning on just buying threads, maybe have a look at a wyld pact! They give threads too and you get way more bang for your buck

[odd oxide]

yeah that was the one ive been eyeing

migth just bite the bullet

and commit to it

[livid cobalt]

Morning! Its worth to buy ingame and level a normal pact if I have lvled already the Wyld version of it? or if I have Wyld Sirin already for example I can save those faction points to buy other stuff?

[halcyon comet]

you'll get an extra 30 points to spend in that pact. Normal and Wyld pacts share the same skill tree :)

[livid cobalt]

30 points on the passive tree?

[halcyon comet]

Yeah. So the 30 points you have from the Wyld Sirin pact, if you equip the regular Sirin pact you will have the same points still and gain more as you level with that. Leading you to have 60 points to spend when you max both pacts

[naive cloud]

you also get more mastery rank for it too

[livid cobalt]

Oh I see, is totally optional then. Thank you both for the info!

[midnight pendant]

how much content is there in the game atm?

[halcyon comet]

a fair amount, and if youre someone that enjoys the grinds to maxxing stuff out and hitting endgame content theres plennnnty of hours to sink into it

[midnight pendant]

oh there is endgame content?

[knotty imp]

not exactly

there is a cogah hard mode, but all that does is nerf you and beefs up the mobs + some bosses have unique drops

[halcyon comet]

as of right now for what end game looks like it is kinda just farming hardmode for certain items, levelling mastery rank, minmaxing stuff, experimenting with builds

[midnight pendant]

mhm i see...so its probably still a long way off from 1.0 release

[halcyon comet]

but if thats something you enjoy in games then there is definitely a lot of hours to be put in.

for a game in pre-alpha there is a lot more than I expected to be honest

[halcyon comet]

there is still a ton of stuff to be added and we have no idea exactly how much content is actually ready to be put into the game already that is being held until 1.0

[midnight pendant]

im just not really sure what to do in the game. i think i followed the bird for some missions and the combat felt alright with the envoy i have

[finite stone]

It's roughly 10-15hrs of main story and exploration, then something like 200-400hrs of 'endgame' (ie just hunting down all the loot and ranking everything to max). I'm on 432hrs so far, but I've seen some with 900!

[halcyon comet]

the way I went about it was:

1. Finish all quests that I could find
2. Find a build that I like
3. Farm gear and sets
4. Farm levels
5. Farm faction standing
6. Farm (what is currently) endgame content for exclusive hardmode drops

[knotty imp]

also i doubt there will be a clear line of when the game hits ' 1.0 ', warframe never really had that iirc, they just keep making more content

[halcyon comet]

holy wait where is this

[midnight pendant]

[finite stone]

If you mean the content it's mostly been the totems/runes/harmonies farm ngl 😭 or if you mean the hours played tracker that's just in Little Genius

[midnight pendant]

so basically warframe

[finite stone]

Haha yes, very different gameplay to warframe but similar in terms of its main content / grind content balance

[halcyon comet]

maxxing mastery rank is a big one too as afaik each envoy rank gives you +1 virtue from what I read on the wiki so if youre a player that aims to maximise everything then you'll have no issue finding stuff to do

[midnight pendant]

i do wonder one think tho

[halcyon comet]

I just meant the playtime count, ive been wanting one 😭

[midnight pendant]

why is the item pickup range still so small i hope they learned from warframe

[halcyon comet]

to be fair SF is a lot of an up close and personal kinda game compared to WF so it does make a bit more sense

[prisma folio]

Its a courage grace sword and using it pn my spirit build dosnt chane what it says at all

[knotty imp]

just wait a few years like we did in wf when univac was added as mod to companions lulz

[naive cloud]

oh nice, I didn't know little genious did that

that's dope xD

[midnight pendant]

i have my experience with waiting to have a playable game (i play star cititzen)

hm i think i should try to play a bit more

[halcyon vigil]

Hello I wanted to know if people have managed to loot the fragments of the double blades because I can't do it I farm for 1 week there are two bosses who never pop

[languid tiger]

Wait how do we see how many hours we've played?

[knotty imp]

my condolences

[midnight pendant]

i saw the description of one of the envoy ingame that sounded pretty cool but wasnt sure if i should "buy" them to try

[naive cloud]

there should really be a /age command in game, but there isn't

@languid tiger it's something called Little Genius, a companion app for the game

[halcyon comet]

which one

also im not trying to be that person but envoy is similar to the operator in WF, that is your character. Pacts are the equivelant (kinda) to frames

[languid tiger]

Oh ok. So only records from when you first install

[midnight pendant]

the one with the wolves? i forgot the name.

[halcyon comet]

just to try and help you know the difference in case you see people talking about Envoy rank / Pact rank and you get confused

[finite stone]

No, it updates retroactively since Soulframe keeps track anyway - it's just that Soulframe doesn't display it to the player yet

[halcyon comet]

OOOOOO yeah Orengall! Do the questline for them dont stress about buying it with arcs or anything

[midnight pendant]

questline ok

[knotty imp]

Also, there are no envoy specific upgrades like there is focus for operator/drifter

[midnight pendant]

i should try to play the game a bit more

[halcyon comet]

first objective just try and complete every questline in your journal

[naive cloud]

yeah there's a lot of QOL in little genius that comes FROM data the game tracks just doesn't display

[midnight pendant]

the first time i played you had to collect some motes for some things. never saw them again

[halcyon comet]

until there are literally no more. it doesnt take too long in the grand scheme of things but you unlock a lot if in-game features

[naive cloud]

can't really blame them since game is in alpha basically so QOL isn't something I think they're too bothered about while so many systems are changing, if a player made solution works for that sort of thing then ggs

[midnight pendant]

i did one boss fight last time i played tho

that was really cool even tho the ending felt unfinished

[knotty imp]

one thing that's weird is they are seemingly implementing trading before clans

[halcyon comet]

with the motes, theyre on a respawn timer but if you relogg and go to the location a new mote will be there instantly. I think it is a bit silly that one of the first quests is to collect 5 motes and if you do it without cheesing it with relogging it would be 5hrs playtime to complete the quest that gates further quests that unlock stuff

[naive cloud]

there's a decent amount of content in the game, but eventually it does get quite grindy, I think that's kinda what game they're going for though

[midnight pendant]

i gotta say it runs really good on linux too. is it the same engine as warframe?

[naive cloud]

yeah the current motes system sucks

[naive cloud]

yeah it's lotus

[glad sapphire]

Why this stupid ghost ignores me -_-

[midnight pendant]

i dont even know how to look for motes anymore.

[halcyon comet]

yeah thats the core gameplay loop. at the end of the day thats all that WF is as well. The only difference is that WF has been out for so long that there is a ridiculous amount of content to switch between

[naive cloud]

you need to get through some of orlick's questline, I forget specifically how far through, and then they start spawning at locations

[halcyon comet]

eventually SF will be the same I have no doubt

[naive cloud]

yeee, well the more time developing something naturally means there's more chance for more content ^^

[naive cloud]

it's a bug from the old rune system's tutorial, just ignore it, you lose nothing by ignoring it

[midnight pendant]

also is this normal that some places have names and some..that?

[glad sapphire]

isn't it part of main quest?

[midnight pendant]

or am i doing something wrong

[finite stone]

Yep! You've not translated it yet 😉

[naive cloud]

yeah the motes unlock the names of places and journal entries

[midnight pendant]

i tried to find the motes but idk how.

[naive cloud]

they also give you a decent chunk of MR xp too, I got from like MR 2 to like 12 just by getting all the trees and the motes

[finite stone]

Have you done Orlick's new Oblivio quest?

[naive cloud]

I explained earlier, did you complete orlicks quests?

[midnight pendant]

i dont know the last quest i did was a bossfight against a stag

[finite stone]

Well Orlick is your journal scribe, so probably worth going and talking to him!

[naive cloud]

next time you're on go speak to the ol' chap, check how far through you are in his questline 🙂

[glad sapphire]

i like gameplay for now, but following quests or tutorials is pain in 🙂 🙁

[languid tiger]

How long does it usually take to update your hours played?

[glad sapphire]

i was thinking since yesterday that I have to do some quest to show me how to use runes or smth... to find it today next to weapon slot><

[finite stone]

Oooh that is a good question I think it does it on logout - worth doing a quick relog whilst you have LG and Soulframe both open, and seeing if it updates?

[midnight pendant]

ohhhh

[naive cloud]

so because the game is an alpha still, systems are CONSTANTLY changing and being revamped, meaning making proper tutorials for them isn't really something they can focus on, that DOES mean a lot of the game is trial and error unfortunately, but it's kinda par for the course of what state the game is in since it's an alpha ^^

[languid tiger]

no worries will give it a crack tyvm

[midnight pendant]

is this new

[naive cloud]

yeee

[finite stone]

Yep it's his new P14 content! You have to complete it before you can do history motes

[languid tiger]

Relogging works haha

[halcyon comet]

what is Little Genius btw

[naive cloud]

it's a companion app made by players of soulframe

[halcyon comet]

oh awesome thanks

[naive cloud]

it's made by the guys who work on the avakot.org wiki

[halcyon comet]

my google search for little genius didnt help xD

[naive cloud]

xD

[languid tiger]

Google Little Genius Companion

[halcyon comet]

will it show me total hours or just hours since downloading

[halcyon comet]

yeah nah got it now thank you though <3

[languid tiger]

total hours

[halcyon comet]

W

[midnight pendant]

do i need to..use the rune 3 times or equip 3 different ones hre?

[naive cloud]

just gotta use it 3 times

[halcyon comet]

holy shit this is an incredible companion app

[glad sapphire]

sure I understand that and don't mind it, happy to play it 🙂 I just don't know anything about this game🤣 and I'm playing it trying to figure out what's going on here what's the point xd I'm too lazy to check on internet 🤤 😅

[naive cloud]

I KNOW RIGHT lol

it's mindblowing how useful it is, I was using an older overlay and swapping from that to LG is insane

[naive cloud]

understandable, that's why people like me are here to help you in this community ^^

since the game's still in such an early state all of us are learning new stuff all the time about it still xD so it helps to talk to each other and talk about things we find

[halcyon comet]

yeah wow im bloody impressed, will consider supporting so long as im sure DE wont make changes in the future that will render it useless 😭

[naive cloud]

they're kinda just been updating it pretty quickly when new stuff comes out, wiki team are like ON it constantly lol

[halcyon comet]

this excites me

[naive cloud]

they're doing an amazing job, also yesss can't wait for trading and the ability to maybe actually earn arcs for free ^^

[midnight pendant]

windows only

[halcyon comet]

starting the day with <100p and ending the day with 1k+ by sitting in trade chat for hours offloading xD

[halcyon comet]

😭

[midnight pendant]

is this worth to craft? i dont really know what sidearm is good for my envoy

[halcyon comet]

for MR alone yeah craft everything

[languid tiger]

Craft everything, level them, then sell them if you dont like them

[halcyon comet]

if youre after a good sidearm I'm loving the Grinn

[midnight pendant]

oh so it has a MR system like WF right. ofc

[halcyon comet]

hahaha yepp

[midnight pendant]

10hours to craft

YEP ITS WARFRAME

[halcyon comet]

some things never change

[naive cloud]

they are slooowly pushing away from the warframe stuff, but I think core mechanics will be similar 🙂

[halcyon comet]

core gameplay loop feels similar in terms of the grinds

[naive cloud]

yeyeye

[halcyon comet]

which isnt a bad thing either, warframe nailed it at least for me

[midnight pendant]

no app for me on linux sadly

[blissful ether]

I'm grateful they have crafting timers. Live service games providing incentive to Log TF Off, like withholding the new toy for hours or days, is pretty responsible and helpful to me

[midnight pendant]

i dont think i ever cared for a crafting timer in warframe since i have so much there

[naive cloud]

there is an overlay called overkot too @midnight pendant idk if that's for linux either though

just checked, it is not, I'm sorry

[midnight pendant]

its not open source either hm

[halcyon comet]

linux always copping the short straw :(

[finite stone]

#envoy-gathering message

[midnight pendant]

third party apps/mods are still really hard to get working in many cases. but games themselfs are perfectly fine

[midnight pendant]

yeah i have my very strong willed opinion about that sentence but its not for me to judge

[finite stone]

That's fair, I'm no software developer so I don't know much and can only point towards existing conversations on the subject 😄 but he'd be the guy to get in touch with if you wanted more context I guess!

[midnight pendant]

easy

[halcyon comet]

lets goooooooo

[midnight pendant]

now it has to work with the game open

[tulip sorrel]

anyone has no sound ingame?

[midnight pendant]

ah hm yeah. there is some issue still. its not working with the game open. i wonder why

[tulip sorrel]

i have sound in the launcher but once ingame there is no sound

[halcyon comet]

hey you got it there in the first place I trust you'll figure it out somehow

[tulip sorrel]

i played on my laptop yesterday right before the patch and there i had sound,now i play on my desktop

[mighty bronze]

Have you checked your volume mixer? Is soulframe muted in there?

[naive cloud]

good lord this mace is strong

[halcyon comet]

im so excited for all weapons to have tempers. if they dont nerf grace too hard bows are going to be incredible

[naive cloud]

yeah lmao

I wish I had better tempers on the one I'm using rn, but these work really well for my playstyle

[tulip sorrel]

everything is on

[naive cloud]

is sound working for other apps? like a youtube video?

[tulip sorrel]

yes

[naive cloud]

are you on windows?

[tulip sorrel]

yes the game works like a charm only no sound

[naive cloud]

it might be worth checking your system audio devices and checking if the default is the sound device you're wanting it to use

[tulip sorrel]

only the launcher has sound

[naive cloud]

you can also change the device within the game too

[tulip sorrel]

i tried these too

[naive cloud]

tried restarting your pc?

[halcyon comet]

app-specific outputs in your volume mixer all set to the right one?

[mighty bronze]

Or maybe try verifying the files through the launcher? Could be a broken/missing file that's causing the problems

[midnight pendant]

yeah i dont think i get this working without the devs help if they are even open to bother with linux

[halcyon comet]

by that statement that was linked I highly doubt.

Maybe give the Overkot one a shot?

[naive cloud]

maybe hit the lead dev up with a dm? see if they'd be willing to help you out? they seem like nice people

[tulip sorrel]

tried verifying

[naive cloud]

did you try a restart too already?

[tulip sorrel]

checked my volume mixed and tried different outputs there

[tulip sorrel]

no not yet brb

[halcyon comet]

fingers crossed

[midnight pendant]

overlay app...overlay.... overlay on linux with games...

i think im gonna be able to play without apps for now

[halcyon comet]

does it just crash when you have it open with the game open as well?

[midnight pendant]

just very bad experience in other overlay apps for games. i might try it out another time

[halcyon comet]

Hopefully you can get it working

until then though the grind is on x)

[tulip sorrel]

no nothing

[naive cloud]

mood 🥲 maybe one day linux will have better support for third party stoof xD

or some sort of emulation system for windows programs xD

[midnight pendant]

i doubt it. its not a linux issue. if the devs want to they can just make it but its ofc. extra work

i think aleca frame worked on linux

[naive cloud]

yeah it's just whether or not they want to start dealing with multiple branches of the program :L I get why a small team wouldn't be bothered to do that

[midnight pendant]

im not a dev so i dont know how difficult it is

[finite stone]

It's one guy right now, so yeah I think it's just the amount of work for him

LG can get its data from the wiki team so that's great, but the actual software development, just one guy doing insane work

[naive cloud]

I've done dev work in the past on several projects, and it depends on the kind of software they're developing, sometimes it's pretty easy to swap things around for different OS or devices, sometimes it's a pain in the ass, if it's one dude working on it I'm not surprised he cba with the effort and only wants to focus on the majority of users

[midnight pendant]

its fine tho. alpha software for an alpha game

[tulip sorrel]

went to audio settings in windows turned off audio dont allow and then back to allow,now sound works ingame

[naive cloud]

funny windows moment 🥲

audio in windows has always been a nightmare honestly lol

[tulip sorrel]

im so happy

[naive cloud]

glad you got it fixed!

[midnight pendant]

oh god. the combat gets spicy now

[naive cloud]

spicy how?

[midnight pendant]

some lvl 15 dude charging me with a bunch of others and just end me

[halcyon comet]

lefggggg

[naive cloud]

nice xD

[halcyon comet]

anyone know if cogah changes chest loot at all?

[midnight pendant]

oh there is a way to get the app running on linux..it has 15 steps

[pliant pulsar]

if i buy the pack from website i get accest to the game or i need to wait for a invitation ?

[midnight pendant]

[halcyon comet]

instant access

[naive cloud]

instant access

[halcyon comet]

I wanna say it's worth it though the data on the app is kinda cool

[naive cloud]

I don't believe so, only seems to change boss drops

[midnight pendant]

ok im gonna try it

[halcyon comet]

ty <3

[naive cloud]

good luck!

[halcyon comet]

@midnight pendant stuff like this

[languid hill]

do you get full harmonies when you auto charm an animal?

[halcyon comet]

been wondering that too

[hushed goblet]

Honestly, I found the game very boring. The style feels too plain and nothing like Warframe. I’m sure it has its audience, but I don’t think people who liked Warframe would enjoy it. Other than that, the visual scenery is nice and the combat was very plain as well.

[halcyon comet]

warframe player for over 10 years and I am in love with this game

[languid hill]

of course, it's expected to feel that way because this game is still pre-alpha

[halcyon comet]

to each their own though if it isnt the style for you then thats okay too

[jaunty dirge]

yes

[languid hill]

I'm currently just waiting for p15 because I almost have everything this patch

[naive cloud]

tbf this game was never meant to be like warframe

which might be one of the reasons I'm enjoying it as much as I am, I never really got on with warframe that much tbh

[hushed goblet]

not enough action for me and the plain art style just feels weird compared too Warframe cool weapons

[halcyon comet]

one of the things I commend DE for. Most studios that have seen that level of success tend not to stray too far from the original formula anymore

[hushed goblet]

i just went in thinking it was like warframe but this is just feedback best of luck

[trim willow]

warframe felt like a key jangling sim to me personally

this one feels much more calm, theres no rushes

[languid hill]

they did ramp up the number of patrols in the area though

[naive cloud]

yeah it's very chill in comparison, and the combat is close enough to souls games that I can enjoy it, though I know it isn't a soulslike it's mainly an action game, it tickles the itch souls games give me when I'm in combat in it

[halcyon comet]

first thing I described this as to my friend was "Warframe devs made Elden Ring Online"

[midnight pendant]

pls not another nightreighn incident

[trim willow]

it do be like that, and its wonderful!

[naive cloud]

yeah I can kinda see it, but I'd compare it more to something like the witcher honestly or assassins creed combat, since you can animation cancel nearly every attack to block, there's no stamina, and a few other things missing from a soulslike, they've done well to make the weapons feel like they have momentum though and make the combat feel chunky and smooth

[finite stone]

jedi fallen order 😌

[halcyon comet]

oh yeah the combat is def different I just meant in terms of vibes and setting

[naive cloud]

and there's a lot of auto lock on stuff, yeah jedi is a good one too

[naive cloud]

high fantasy ftw ❤️

[halcyon comet]

Im kinda spewing I forgot about SF. I signed up when the first trailer dropped like end of '24 I want to say. Checked my emails a few weeks back and had an invite from July last year sitting there 😭

[naive cloud]

all good! you're still early enough to get in on the early dev action >:D I only just joined really as p14 came out xD

[languid hill]

same

[naive cloud]

so I'm kinda in the same boat, I remember seeing a trailer for it aaaages ago with my partner and we were like "ay that looks dope" and kinda forgot about it lol

[languid hill]

I waited around 8 months to get invited

[naive cloud]

then someone from one of my communities offered me some keys for me and my partner, I looked at the game and was like "nah, we getting founders" xD

[halcyon comet]

Literally exactly how it was for me. We saw it and both signed up then forgot

[naive cloud]

I'm loving the game so far, and the community too, lots of great people chilling here all willing to help out and chat to each other

it feels good to be a part of something like this in it's early days, contributing to feedback and how the game is developing

ngl I'm just excited to see how they're going to rebalance stuff in p15 xD also whether or not these lith things are here to stay, I hate em

[midnight pendant]

its working

[naive cloud]

ayyyy nice work!

was the guide to do it on their website?

[midnight pendant]

in their discord in a linux thread

[naive cloud]

that's really useful to know ^^

[halcyon comet]

ayyy lets go

[midnight pendant]

not sure what info there is important for me atm

[naive cloud]

AllOfIt xD

[midnight pendant]

i switched to dx12 and i feel like the game suddenly looks worse lol

[tulip sorrel]

the game looks great

but could have more foliage distance

[midnight pendant]

ah i forgot to reset my graphic settings

[languid tiger]

Is DE going to release the old Halloween gear again or is it too late?

[halcyon comet]

yeah have noticed this in my screenshots

[tulip sorrel]

the fields look empty without grass in the distance

[halcyon comet]

someone said they reckon it will roll around again this year

[languid tiger]

Hopefully, and then once I have them I hope they discontinue them. Hahaha

[halcyon comet]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

same wavelength

[tulip sorrel]

runs great though 140fps with 5070ti and 9800x3d no upscaling

2k

wonder how it will look on my other pc with ultra wide monitor

the minimal hud is nice too

and fading hud if not using your weapon or skills is nice too

[halcyon comet]

yeah it runs really well tbh

[languid hill]

me aggressively spamming bird...

[tulip sorrel]

the game already has me hooked

[languid hill]

my sense of direction is terribly lacking

[fervent sun]

There's a setting in Accessibility (I think) to turn the compass on all the time.

[languid hill]

I was actually thinking about that

[fervent sun]

Makes a big difference when you're farming votives IMO

[halcyon comet]

yeah was a nice change once I realised it was an option

[naive cloud]

I feel like compass and crosshair should be on by default honestly, though I know DE's stance for the game is they want to remove as much UI clutter as possible for this game

[halcyon comet]

i dont mind them being off by default. but i just wish I knew of the options earlier

[granite basin]

I just wish it came in 100% when I activated my bird.

[half loom]

--
Is Verminia rep broken right now?
Crafted various different elixirs & palettes and she's still at 1, with not progress.
Also bestiched various pieces of gear.

Couldn't find anything in the bug tracking section, but I might not have used the right words/spellings...?

[finite stone]

Bestitching doesn't increase bond (afaik?) but your first time brewing each new elixir/palette should've done it! However, the UI has been buggy since P14 - sometimes it shows your MR instead of the Bond Rank, maybe it's doing that or some similar display bug

[brazen sparrow]

the only thing that will increase rep with her is crafting the colour palettes. General potion craft does not. Neither bestitching.

well rep.. bond.. same thing.. but we all know what you meant 😄

[finite stone]

Oh no way, even your first time brewing each virtue pot? Did that change at some point? People always said curaid's breath, dancing galdre and shademaker increased her bond

[smoky crater]

have you tried... going out of nightfold and back in?

[brazen sparrow]

i think it's been this way for an age now.. now that you challange me i'm not 100% sure.

[finite stone]

Need a volunteer with a fresh account to test again I guess 😂

[brazen sparrow]

it would make sense that consumables don't contribute to rep because then you'd just spam them out

[finite stone]

Well it was never on re-crafts, only the first ever one

[half loom]

Been in-and-out of Nightfold multiple times.

Checked Avakot (blessed thrice wiki), and it says that you need to be at Bond 2 for the Verminia's Memoir and the Cogah - both of which I have. So, looks like a UI bug.

[finite stone]

Ah yes if you have cogah you're definitely already rank 2! 🥳

[smoky crater]

a

wack

[half loom]

Thanks guys. Appreciate the sanity check.

Will open a bug if one hasn't already been raised.
Anyone know if this applies to other Ancestors/Factions that I should be checking?
EDIT: The UI Bond/Rep not aligning with actuals is what I'm asking here
EDIT 2: Bug Link for Bond level not showing properly - https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1499869376982286416

[finite stone]

I don't think it's been impacting Enclaves, but yeah definitely Tuvalkane and Verminia have funny bond UIs, unsure about Orlick

[brazen sparrow]

at one palette per faction.. one to start, and one for the successfully letting verminia ||run away 😂|| that would make 5? (not including the 4 from the various founders)

as far as i remember it was 1/2 level per palette.. so 2.5 should be current bond max?

[smoky crater]

pretty sure the bond just doesn't go past 2 at all

but yeah it should be 2 things that you need to brew for the level up

[half loom]

This is exactly what I was trying to figure out.
If I could get any progress on Bond 2.

[brazen sparrow]

ok, i logged in just to check.. it's a smidge over 2.. which seems odd

[smoky crater]

that might even be a wacky UI bug

[brazen sparrow]

aah, i think you don't craft the first one - you just have it. then this lines up.

... this has been Fried gaslights self for 10 minutes.

[smoky crater]

[fallow arch]

this hole getting deeper?

[halcyon comet]

we're slowly making our way towards Avakot's vault

[brazen sparrow]

there is another new one elsewhere too

[fallow arch]

huh

[smoky crater]

ooo interestin

[brazen sparrow]

you can bonk the ||mistrel|| . doesn't help with anything, though :S

[smoky crater]

yeah it does! it makes you happy for having blown up yet another mistrel

[trim willow]

was the Tethren one shot patched?

[smoky crater]

the first ability was nerfed a couple times even but it's still too strong afaik ._.

[trim willow]

i mean i can still kill stuff with ease atm but

im greedy and wish to chunk error some poor Bannerets torso

[midnight pendant]

i think she just called me ugly

[smoky crater]

i just watched Gawth walk to a chest, kneel down and do somethin to it and then just stand back up...

[brazen sparrow]

"Drab. Drab. Everything drab."

[fallow arch]

your aura is showing

[naive cloud]

man's setting up a trap for future envoys

[smoky crater]

wack thing too

i was literally checking where the hell gawth was in the first place in spectralsight because i couldn't see him. he was just hiding behind a wall

[naive cloud]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pandlrg-zonegif--k01KS5DT3VN4BMG74GCD8PNJN7E

[woeful brook]

so abilities are tied to weapons?

are there any cool caster abilities other than stone heal and birds?

[dapper flame]

they are tied to pacts

not to weapons, and theres are 9 pacts right now i think

all with unique abilities

[woeful brook]

how do i get new pacts?

[dapper flame]

multiple ways, some are available through factions, and some through quests

[quick junco]

you can buy the 3 starter pacts + 3 special pacts from factions. Each faction has all starter and their own special pact (so you gotta max the 3 factions to get all 3 special pacts). There is 3 you get from the main story quests and 1 from a open world quest. Thats all of what i know so far xD

[sly escarp]

2 special pacts

Ode Tempest and Mora's Hand

[woeful brook]

Is the founders pack different than the starting pact? can't seem to find any info on it

[sly escarp]

3 starter, 2 Faction specific, 4 Quest given

[quick junco]

ahh my bad then. Thought Arca's Children also had a special pact

[naive cloud]

stats wise, no, visually your pact arm is a little different, and the starter pacts and wyld pacts (founder) share a skill tree so if you level both up you get double points for that skill tree

[sly escarp]

Founders are versions of the starter pacts. They are functionally identical, but levelling both the Wyld and Base versions gives 60 points total to upgrade with instead of 30.

[naive cloud]

also sup hawk, saw you in game yesterday lol @quick junco

[quick junco]

yeah. Just gotten back to it lately Been a quite a while

Its nice that t3 faction quests are no longer stuck at 500 points and the only source

[naive cloud]

I cannot imagine how painful that was honestly

[quick junco]

It was an experience

[dapper flame]

it started off at 100 per, but the requirement was a bit less

[deep osprey]

Pardon my ludicrously late response: It took a dozen hours or so to actually get a rune that would fit on any of my gear - in the end requiring outside assistance. In that time, the levels gained in using all that gear has made the damage too high to actually trigger the rune in combat against the enemies available.

[bitter torrent]

Ummm :3 ????

[waxen flower]

Are you having trouble activating the rune?

Also afaik runes don't drop from the stag (if you were doing that)

[deep osprey]

Yup, enemies die too fast, even from kicking.

[waxen flower]

Are you in the higher level zone? Or just in the starting area where enemies are lv1-2

[deep osprey]

Starter area; no idea where the higher level areas are... kinda hard to navigate with a cloud instead of a map

[waxen flower]

Ahh you should look around for white trees with no leaves

[keen sable]

Dont worry, the first time you drink of the Cogah, and hear the screams of the damned. You'll hit like a wet noodle.

[sly escarp]

Head north, or east, or south.

You'll hit enemies fairly easily.

[waxen flower]

They're pretty big. But a bit of a pain to find sometimes. If you like exploring, go for it otherwise use a map and unlock them

[sly escarp]

But, is the issue lack of smites?

[waxen flower]

Think so

[deep osprey]

Okay... so, how do I know where north, east, south, or any direction is? The compas is only on the screen for like 1/5 of a second

[sly escarp]

Ah, that would do it yeah

[sly escarp]

Tap G to resummon the compass

[keen sable]

You can change that settings from dynamic to always in accessibility settings if ud like the compass to stay up at all times

[waxen flower]

You can set the compass to be always on in the options or just press G

[sly escarp]

Or make it permanent using an accessibility setting

[deep osprey]

Erm, G only summons the compass when the bird actually flies somewhere

My bird has been basically useless since I got stuck on this step of the tutorial

[half talon]

Settings--accessbility--all the way at the bottom for static compass

[deep osprey]

OH THANK GOD. That solves my problems so much, Thank you.

[half talon]

Also stop feeding the bird fermented berries. He gets drunk and can't guide the envoy correctly

[keen sable]

Drunk flying kills envoys more than 80% of all flyer miles.

[waxen flower]

He likes it

Sometimes he tells me story about a talking moose

[half talon]

The moose is cool

[waxen flower]

Indeed

[deep osprey]

Huh, so that's what you meant about a tree - I honestly thought the map was locked behind a tutorial, not a tree....

[sweet zephyr]

Hey anyone have a cogah route image to follow?

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[halcyon comet]

W bot

[smoky haven]

got 'em

[whole owl]

We need Atk speed info in game 😭

[knotty imp]

what`s the max doe

[smoky haven]

100

[amber tendon]

best way to farm moranite?

[dull wave]

anyone have anymore codes if so can you dm me pls

[languid flame]

I personally do crypt missions or if I have keys just redoing it

If you go to the tree near one of the sieges, you can do pay respects t2 and you have to open 3 coffins and each have a chance for moranite and quartz

[amber tendon]

ty, which siege?

also when i get near an organ the npc message pops up but it doesnt activate any event

is it bugged?

[trim willow]

you have to go near the vents and free the animals stuck in sludge

then open said vents to the beavers can go to town on the tower

[amber tendon]

the animals are in the base of the tower or around it near the enemy camps

cause I do not see them

[patent iris]

Question, does the game support controller use on PC?

[languid flame]

Fort kearnhold siege

[distant jungle]

As far as I know, yes, it even has controller config options.

[drowsy crypt]

Yes it's good

I use it when I play melee

[distant jungle]

I would were it not for the throw function.

I like having full control over that while maintaining accuracy.

[drowsy crypt]

The only weapon I like the throw function on is short blade and I'm usually mouse and keys if I'm using a load out with one

[distant jungle]

Longblade throw isn't bad, and polearm throw is very good.

[patent iris]

Sorry last question about controller support, will they integrate better gameplay with controller use in a near future update? Idk if they discussed it in just now getting into this game

Like you said the throw function is a little inaccurate

[distant jungle]

Only grip type I just would not throw with is Heavy.

At least not remotely regularly.

I'll still huck a longblade on occasion at an archer.

Most of the time a one-tap to the head.

[drowsy crypt]

Heavy throw wind up and release feels so sluggish. Kinda same for long blade

[distant jungle]

Yeah longblade isn't great but it isn't unusably slow.

Heavy's is just eh.

Polearm and Shortblade have the best throws.

[drowsy crypt]

After getting used to off hand short blade throw, it was all I did for a while lol

[distant jungle]

Theoretically I would be fine against a boss that wants to force you into throw mechanics with a longblade, I'd just need to time them a little better.

If such a thing existed and I was using a Heavy wep, I'd just change weapons.

It's the only grip type where I'd just 'nah, I'm good'.

Shields also have a good throw, now that I remember that they exist.

But yeah, Shortblade, Polearm, Shield, all good. Longblade, serviceable.

[distant jungle]

Headshot yeet spam with a dagger is still probably cracked.

Especially with the Grace multi being way too high.

[trim willow]

come on you're telling me chucking the orst into someone's face isn't fun?

[distant jungle]

Well yeah it's funny, just not something I'd regularly do to end combat with any expediency lol.

[trim willow]

true that

usually the light spam on heavies is enough for that

or a charged up fellusted heavy attack

[distant jungle]

With longblade it still charges fast enough that it isn't worse than just walking up to an archer and stabbing them.

Heavy is just a bit too slow to not be outdone by other options.

[trim willow]

is there a difference between the rapiers and other long blades or do i just feel Navalha is faster to throw?

[distant jungle]

I think rapiers may throw a lil faster? Single shortblades charge slightly faster than dual blades after all.

Just another way single daggers are better.

But yeah it has precedence.

[rugged sedge]

Hello, any good boy have extra code for sharing ?:D

[rich dune]

If anyone's interested in how cloud animations and lighting works in the game, here's a look at Sky Castle.
A full 24-hour cycle. Speed ​​up to 50x.

[devout slate]

How do i like activate everflame great rune like ive done it twice on accident but like whats the actual way

[solid musk]

why does this happen?

as in : the walk so choppy and the water going crazy

[half talon]

I get that some times. It’s fun visual chaos bug

[solid musk]

it just suddenly started happening today

didnt happend before

then now it wont stop, even after the quick hotfix

[half talon]

Hmmm I usually only get it when I’m idle too long in the nightfold. Don’t forget to report it in #1438224825113120788

[gentle shale]

As with all other runes, you first have to get charges for it (either via smites or Rood's passive). You then activate your spirit sight and make a heavy attack (charged to full), which should do the trick @devout slate

[solid musk]

too long? it startes happening to me within around 10 secs as you saw in the vid lol

dear god that thing is at least 3 bugs all combined into one wtf

[devout slate]

Thx for my next mission i need to pull smite how do i do that i feel so dumb

[gentle shale]

Don't worry, the explanations are a bit scarce at times

There should be a keybinding you can check, but as far as I'm aware the default one is to activate spirit sight and click the attack key while looking at an enemy primed for smiting

I. e. an enemy shining red, blue or green

You might have seen it before, it can happen upon hitting an enemy (it depends on your weapon's smite chance)

[devout slate]

Appreciate it!

[quick junco]

the feeling when you can get the boss loot in the end of a dungeon cause the loot is under the roots physical box xD

[dull wave]

if i choose lets say mage will i still later on in the game be able to use a sword or a bow??

[ripe bone]

Yes

[dull wave]

ok ty

[smoky crater]

you're just picking out your starting gear. you can get everything else later on

[dull wave]

what pact would u reccomend?

[smoky crater]

there's no choices you'd be locked into

for starter? the one you like.

[dull wave]

oh ok

[smoky crater]

the game lets you try out all 3 choices

[ripe bone]

I like tethren(fighter) for beginners, but oscelda is nice too for the heal

[dull wave]

ok ty yall

[ripe bone]

(i started with sirin though so i cant really judge i guess)

[smoky crater]

-# i started with sirin too

[vernal pagoda]

anyone has any ideea where the rest are

i went to salzbrim but i cant just find them

[dull wave]

if i choose like mage will throughout my playthrough have a magic buff?

[ripe bone]

You start out with the magic class and a magick staff. You can change both when you progress a bit into the game

[dull wave]

k

[finite stone]

Did you happen to catch how many spawned on the approach UI? If it was only 1, then you now need to reset the history motes to spawn new ones

You reset them by either

• Waiting a full day/night cycle
• Relogging into Soulframe
• Joining another player's game
• Entering and exiting a Dungeon

[smoky crater]

you don't get any sort of a buff related to the starting choice no

[drowsy crypt]

Maybe luke warm take but the staves in this game just feel good to use

Brain off no thoughts, pewpew

[ripe bone]

Especially with tethren/duelo

[fervent sun]

Staff is what I started with and I still love it, but the polearms are my favorite moveset.

[finite stone]

polearms are so fun, I can't wait for more variants in future too

would love some quarterstaff/bo type weapons!

[ripe bone]

I like the concept of dual blades but armor is very rude ;-;

So i only use them with bromius/mora's hand

[fervent sun]

I need to do the bromius dual daggers soon. I've been focused on leveling a bunch of Courage gear so I haven't touched any daggers in a long time.

[ripe bone]

If you do, try putting on the spectre strike damage totem. It is surprisingly much stronger than indicated

Takes some skillful dodges though

[fervent sun]

All my homies love dodging

[drowsy crypt]

Single dagger my goat

[vernal pagoda]

thank youuu

[drowsy crypt]

Immaculate throw game play

[turbid cedar]

hey so, did we got a refund or port over for bought storage slots?

[finite stone]

We did yeah! They wrote all the details out in the patchnotes

[turbid cedar]

nice, thanks a bunch!

[ripe bone]

Apparently dual dagger throw dmg is pretty much the same at damage cap, so both are viable

Pick your flavor of stabbiness

Single daggers win in finishers though by far

[distant jungle]

They also throw faster.

And have way better damage in melee.

And are kind of just better in every way.

Dual blades getting shafted by the flat DR and a meh combo.

[ripe bone]

They do attack faster and when armor is low deal more damage per second, which you can get to by everflame/mora/bromius

[distant jungle]

Daggers attack fast enough to achieve similar boosts, and also have less need of an external propup from a specific setup.

It's a case of being slightly ahead in very specific setups at the cost of being substantially behind in all others.

[frigid agate]

Thank you Sam! Now i feel better complaining about the mines earlier 😄

[gaunt oar]

is there an unstuck command

[frigid agate]

/Unstuck

[gaunt oar]

I appear to be unable to open chat :/

because I'm falling I think

[frigid agate]

Check your settings maybe

Oh… just relog.

[smoky crater]

any sorta movement shouldn't affect the ability to open chat

[ripe bone]

they feel pretty much the same to me

[gaunt oar]

isn't t chat?

[smoky crater]

by default yes

[gaunt oar]

it's not doing anything

[smoky crater]

can you go to nightffold?

[gaunt oar]

ah good call

yes I can

ah but it brings me out in the same spot

[ripe bone]

reference for throw diff

[distant jungle]

Does /unstuck in Nightfold do anything to help?

[odd flax]

lol i got stuck here yesterday, its behind one of the castle platings, right?

[finite stone]

That's a separate and unrelated bug, dw - sometimes T stops opening chat and you have to relog

[odd flax]

thats the exact place 😂 jumping off after a siege

[frigid agate]

Reloging is your best bet, should transport you to the nearest spawner when you come back.

[gaunt oar]

I'm in the middle of it just spent 30m killing the 2 bosses

[frigid agate]

Well that’s unfortunate.

[gaunt oar]

I was trying to figure out how to get up to the top

and fell off the side

[distant jungle]

Okay yeah with attack speed on it's barely dif lol, but I definitely notice it as someone who runs on pure kinesthetic memory. The handfeel is different enough to notice, even if it takes some staring to see the charge rate dif.

Unless they just sped up dual blades cus I know for certain there was a dif a while ago, and I feel like I can still see one there.

[lament path]

I always thought they did Magick instead of physical..

[distant jungle]

Probably why they do magick now.

Given intuition would normally guess they already did.

[lament path]

Very few things do magick damage to begin with

[distant jungle]

I mean, anything that looks more than physical, outside of mines before now, did at least to some degree.

[frigid agate]

Logic must have been because of shrapnel being physical.

[distant jungle]

When enemies zap up their sword, part magick.

When knights light up with fire or zap up with lightning, part magick.

Archers firing the boom shot? Magick.

Magick damage may be more common than you think.

The general rule is that unless it looks like you're just being beat with traumatic force, it's probably at least part magick.

[turbid cedar]

my first Orst-III! not sure how good this one is

[frigid agate]

Yeah most Elite Sinecure buff their weapons with magic and the Voltaic animation during the buff ALSO does damage when you’re close enough.

[distant jungle]

Anytime you see someone buff up, be it a basic elite or a knight, either mace lady or skull guy, it makes them do partial magick.

Even on just physical attacks.

Thus far, as I said, it's pretty intuitive.

If it's not just you being beaten or stabbed, it's probably at least part magick.

If it glows, crackles, or is on fire, magick.

[frigid agate]

Nothing scarier than 5-6 high level Halberdiers with buffed weapons gunning for you 😅

[distant jungle]

Lol.

[upper osprey]

to have a sovereign and legendary orst-3 i need the mobs to be lvl 90? or near it can drop?

[solid musk]

i think i softlocked my sparrow's tale

[solid musk]

bad

[solid musk]

i defeted the gruul seeker like 4 mintes before i started the tale...

[sly escarp]

Did you kill him already?

[upper osprey]

mobs lvl 70 something i defeated gawth and droped a 0 temper stock mace, holy this needs some changes

[sly escarp]

Ah, dang

[solid musk]

yes

[finite stone]

not to rub it in or anything but this is literally the worst possible roll for any Orst 😋 (don't worry, my first orst was the same lmao)

[sly escarp]

Well, uh...could maybe try waiting 30 min?

[solid musk]

ill just get out of range of the tale and then start another one

[stray pulsar]

Why cant we get a true tank class. Theren feels like a dps class if anything. And its the only taunt as far as I am aware. We need another pact with a good self heal, defense oriented abilities and a taunt.

[solid musk]

i mean.... my tethren is tanky enough to basically eat most attacks so....

even when i get ganged on

its also because i have a lot of life leech

[smoky crater]

Tried bromius?

I mean yeah doesnt have a taunt but yknow

[stray pulsar]

Most players can build to be tanky without using that pact. The game difficulty doesnt demand it as of now. I anticipate on launch, if you want to retain players you need hard content that require several players. So having a pact that specializes in defense would be nice. The healing depends on kills. I suggest it should be a self heal based on missing health instead (will allow for healing when fighting a raid boss)

Bromius defense doesn't scale with courage which doesnt make sense. And no taunt either.

[solid musk]

the boss that 2 shotted me says otherwise

[smoky crater]

Meanin like... The 3rd should be the first ability instead?

For bromius?

[solid musk]

also there was just a normal enemy that dealt half my health bar in one hit

[solid musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153115423596879932/1460563073193607224/bromiussoulframememe.gif

[smoky crater]

Mendicant knight?

[solid musk]

yep

they deal so much damage

[smoky crater]

Yeap

[unborn rain]

ayey folks

[solid musk]

is it just me or purity is one of the strogest weapons?

[unborn rain]

any video recommendation that explains how cogah works? ty in advance 🙏

[undone minnow]

It's definitely up there

[solid musk]

i still have no idea what cogah is

i wasnt joking.... what is cogah?

[undone minnow]

Oh if you don't have treefell then purity gets even better

It's the "Hard mode" of soulframe

[solid musk]

how do i unlock it?

[undone minnow]

rank 2 with verminia

[solid musk]

i really need it

whats that again?

[undone minnow]

rat lady

[unborn rain]

no rush, as soon you realize you'll get there

[solid musk]

wait she has ranks now?

[undone minnow]

she's had ranks for a few preludes versions now

[unborn rain]

.

[solid musk]

bruh

[undone minnow]

well, ranks being two

[solid musk]

better get going with it then cuz the game was starting to get stale with me steamrolling everything

[undone minnow]

enemies get tougher and agari drop new runes

[solid musk]

sounds good

cuz i got to the point where i kill the agari's in 3-4 hits

[unborn rain]

which MR are you at?

[solid musk]

so how do i continue?

[solid musk]

14

or you mean in wf?

[solid musk]

but no, really, what am i suppose to do? how do i open the door?

[knotty moon]

Climb the battlement on the right, the key is for the door there.

[solid musk]

thank you

[unborn rain]

in SF I meant

nice

[solid musk]

then 14

[unborn rain]

I'm 13 I guess

[undone minnow]

Current max is 18.5ish

[unborn rain]

I have no clue how I got there since I never looked at my level before XD

[solid musk]

i just keep leveling up things and i am still bearly half way

half way to finishing to max out my things i mean

still have like 20 weapons and at least 4 pacts to max out

ok maybe less then 20 but more then 10

[undone minnow]

I still have 15 to level and I'm mr 17 lol

Though after I level those then that's everything

[solid musk]

thank god i got an XP booster

[sly escarp]

History motes and world trees also contribute to Envoy Rank

So if you're missing any of those you might see a lower amount

[undone minnow]

Do we know if the NW island's tree gives mastery exp now that it's accessible?

[solid musk]

also, where is it?

[sly escarp]

Ghost apparently

[solid musk]

yeap

[sly escarp]

Wonder if the spawn collided with the statue and broke...

[solid musk]

the thing is jsut straight up not there lmao

[sly escarp]

Yeah, guessing the spawner overlapped the statue and failed to actually spawn the tank

#1438224825113120788 time does the bug report dance

[undone minnow]

It's spawned on top of the statue for me before

[solid musk]

also, yk i kinda liked the mirifuir siege, didnt expect the 3 bosses to gang up on me tho

[sly escarp]

Really?

That sounds like hell

[undone minnow]

It was very annoying

If bows didn't exist it would be impossible

[sly escarp]

Technically, yeet

But it would take forever

[unborn rain]

I claimed the tree but good question, I've no idea

[half loom]

So, just tried Crypt of the Circade for the first time.
Died while trying to do a puzzle with a statue that seemed to make me have to basically kite a ghost around.

Is there any indication that I might have missed that dying would kick me out and make me lose my key...?

[undone minnow]

There are no indications in-game that I'm aware of

[half loom]

Jeez. Okay...
So random Restricted/Dark Zones are a thing I just have to keep in the back of my head now.
Fun.

[sly escarp]

It's a property of the crypts that there's no respawn shrines inside. Hard to notice unless you're looking for it though

[undone minnow]

It's just that dungeon and cogah

[stray pulsar]

I have tanked in several MMOs. This game doesnt have a clear tank pact.

My feedback here for what defines a tank are the following:

1. High defense. Enough to survive blows that would be fatal to non tanks (primarily via armour ability and high base health)

2. Self heal. Defense means nothing if you cannot regenerate. Life steal works, but damage shouldn't be the main tank focus, so this is not ideal. Heal on kill is even worse than lifesteal as your job is to support and keep damage off your team. The self heal should be in the form of health based regeneration or a burst heal. This means the tank can heal while focusing on defense. Can tie healing to block or parry if needed.

3. Crowd control. Where the dps excel at doing damage, the tank should excel at CC. Can be in many forms depending on what tank type you prefer. Big debuffs. Big stuns. Big knockdowns. Etc. Should be able to quickly peel enemies off teammates. Should augment a dps teammates damage.

4. Taunt. Enough said. Aggro defines the tank.

TLDR: Would be nice to have a tank pact. The current pacts do not perform the tank role adequately. If the game wishes to promote group play, then specialization is needed. Tetheren performs a dps role better than a tank role. For balance I suggest making a new pact for tanks instead of nerfing a pact loved by many.

[visual radish]

Not really an mmo to begin with

Maaaaaybe mmolite but it still misses the first "M"

[half loom]

Doing that in a zone with various 'first times' (unique hard-to-hit enemies in the form of the wisps, never before encountered traps, puzzles that require kitting lethal enemies ) is a serious feel bad. Good to know. Guess I'll just avoid that until I can rofl-stomp the whole thing.

[sly escarp]

This would mostly be because those tools are split across pacts. Taunt is the domain of Tethren. Defense boosting is Bromius. Self heal is Oscelda.

[half loom]

Pact Subsumes When ;- )

[sly escarp]

They play more as toolkits than a class

[visual radish]

Oh yeah the floating head wisps
Their hitbox is a bit wonky basically try to aim where "neck and chest" would be

[half loom]

Appreciate that advice.
Didn't help I was using a bow, hah.

[visual radish]

For them i'd just chalk it up to pre alpha honestly

Like those hitboxes being so far from what is visible does not seem intended

[half loom]

A 'Taunt' Rune or Shield Combat Art that gives a 'taunt' effect on heavy attacks might be interesting.

[visual radish]

That could be neat yeah

Even warframe has a taunt mod for sword and shield lol

[undone minnow]

It's the same for the Halloween event

Actually I think its the same enemy model

[stray pulsar]

What's wrong with having a tank pact? Especially if they want to add harder content with multi-players

[half loom]

Yeah, just turned something that was like "Oh this is really cool!" Into a 'what the frick? I just lost 20 minutes because this wasn't clear to me'

[sly escarp]

Nothing necessarily, but one of the current goals is that all the content should be playable solo

[stray pulsar]

Excellent idea. Also maybe a self heal rune based on max health

[half loom]

I really think a tank pact would start making pacts a bit too much 'class based', which they cleary aren't supposed to be.

[sly escarp]

So tools typically have a way to self-enable, such as Orengall's damage boost from nearby allies counting its Wolf summons

But, yeah, end of the day, pacts aren't classes

[undone minnow]

Tethren can also self-heal with its heal-on-kill effect

[sly escarp]

They're toolboxes

[visual radish]

Tehtren has a bunch of what you mentioned here tbh

Has armor and stability buffs
Has taunt
Has self heal
And even has some damage buffs to boot

[undone minnow]

Basically just no crowd control. But that can be fixed by using tree fell with a greatsword

[sly escarp]

Plus, giving it CC is kinda just overkill. It already has an AoE taunt.

[undone minnow]

Tethren is already one of, if not the highest damage pact

[half loom]

Is that primarily because of Fellust?

[undone minnow]

Fellust, yeah

[visual radish]

Also builds are a bit too free form here to have such a setled role as tank if you ask me

Save for a pre made squad your chances of finding something like that would be very low

[half loom]

---

Bug or am I missing something?
Got 20 Courage.
Regent's Veil says I'm at 10/12

[smoky crater]

go out and back into the armoury real quick

[sly escarp]

Odd, it seems to almost be reading your Spirit value...

[visual radish]

Did you play a song to a statue recently?

[smoky crater]

or that could be it aswell maybe

[undone minnow]

Leave and re-enter the armory station

[stray pulsar]

The self heal is kill based. Wouldn't it make sense for your tank to be able to heal when fighting a boss? Or high level enemies that may not go down faster than you can reasonably heal?

If the goal is to spread out the tank features thats 100% ok and maybe having a pure tank spec is against the goals of the game. Just different POV

[half loom]

Danke.
Yeah was odd.
Nope no buffs (elixiers or otherwise)

[distant jungle]

This actually looks like a bugged votive, as you have no glowing objective. The bisulcam simply isn't active.

Did your quest chain split after the first objective?

[undone minnow]

It does that fairly often for whatever reason

[smoky crater]

usually happens when switching pacts

[distant jungle]

If a quest chain involves two paths, they should always split right after the first, not on the second objective.

[smoky crater]

just a UI bug

[half loom]

Post Liths ? Or was it a thing w/ prisms too ?

[sly escarp]

Yeah, the game is less about a dedicated "class" and more about toolkits. Courage is meant to be a "warrior" setup, spirit is "mage", and grace is "rogue", but you can do any of those "classes" with any pacts.

[visual radish]

I think the length of bossfights isnt as long as you are expecting
Also ideally you shouldnt be getting hit that much

[distant jungle]

If it splits after the first objective or joins before the last, it's bugged and cannot be finished.

[smoky crater]

pact related mainly afaik

[undone minnow]

I first noticed it in p14

[visual radish]

Either from dodging or parrying

[undone minnow]

I cannot remember if it was pre or post virtue lith

[solid musk]

i think i found the probelm, it tells me to pick up the thunderstone.... but i already picked it up so i guess it softlocked itself

[visual radish]

That would do it yeah

[quick junco]

The bear pact can proably cover all of those points but number 4. Although dedicated tanks doesnt usually need self-heal since that would be the healers job

[distant jungle]

Was the objective path a straight line from start to finish?

[solid musk]

yes

[sly escarp]

Bear is def the Armour pact

[distant jungle]

Ah, then an unrelated softlock, lol.

Joys of a pre-alpha.

[solid musk]

it was

1. pick up the thunderstone
2. go defet the thing

[sly escarp]

If you wanna be Armour, bear is a good choice.

[visual radish]

Honestly i feel the bisulcam votive might be one of the saddest and most unrewarding objectives
Grab bomb, plant bomb, done

[quick junco]

yup. The armor stealing and the 3 makes you all amoured up. And perk is you make the enemies more squishi the more you hit them

[stray pulsar]

Great input from everyone here.

[half loom]

Grab Bomb.
Hold onto Bomb.
Blow up Collector Ships.

[stray pulsar]

The armour didnt scale with courage does it?

[visual radish]

They are never around when i see a bisulcam votive

[quick junco]

depends on the armour set you are wearing.

[sly escarp]

Courage gives access to the most health, and some of the best armour has high Courgae reqs

The Courage ability is the Rump Thump, which scales partially off how much armour you have

AOE damage

The 3 is a Armour Buff that scales with grace

[quick junco]

Personally im pretty much using a full grace build. But im face tanking lvl 30-40 enemies without any trouble so far. Havent tried it on Cogah yet though

[distant jungle]

High Courage reqs? The best sets right now are Orengall, Pensive, and Mendicant, and only one of those does.

[sly escarp]

Unfortunately Cogah tends to rely more on preventing damage in the long run. It just eventually outscales any mitigation.

[distant jungle]

And the Courage set falls behind, as does Pensive on a Courage build, tying with Mendicant.

[sly escarp]

Arbearer is also very good for a dedicated Courage build.

[stray pulsar]

So you need to build high grace to get the high armour? Won't that decrease the max health you get from not having courage?

[distant jungle]

It still ties with Mendi at about 20 points behind what the other armors are capable of.

Pensive with Spirit and Orengall with Grace both hit about 135 without totems.

[sly escarp]

Depends. Do you care about the armour buff ability? Because yeah that'd be the tradeoff.

[distant jungle]

Bromius, Mendi, and Pensive on a Courage build are left with about 115.

Courage has the worst armor right now.

[sly escarp]

Which imo is a problem

It really should have the best

[undone minnow]

I'm able to hit 142 without totems using orengall helm and mestre chest and legs

[distant jungle]

Precisely.

[sly escarp]

That's the point of courage: high health, high armor, big stick

[distant jungle]

Yeah, this.

You can't hit near that with a Courage build.

[undone minnow]

Full orengall is worse than using mixed orengall and mestre

[sly escarp]

TBH, it feels like they should just give the Courage scaling pips a bonus on armour like the Grace pips do on weapons.

[distant jungle]

I think the weapon scaling should just be even.

Grace shouldn't be higher than the other two.

[undone minnow]

For some reason only the helmet gives more armor than mestre's, despite all the pieces having the same scaling

[distant jungle]

Spirit doesn't need to be the odd one out either.

[quick junco]

Grace doesnt by itself scale with armor. The bear pact armor buff just scales with grace so its a trade off. For that pact Curage buffs the damage of its damage ability, while Spirit buffs the duration of the crowd control and spirit buffs the armor buff.

[distant jungle]

It's already punished enough via HP.

[sly escarp]

Sorry, meant for armour

Courage scaling pips should be more effective on armour

[distant jungle]

Ah, so it'd have harder armor scaling per pip.

[undone minnow]

What would spirit get?

[sly escarp]

Cooldown isn't enough?

[stray pulsar]

Exactly

[distant jungle]

Honestly the HP penalty is a bit much right now, Spirit easily enters one-shot ranges and that's a bit oof even with CD reduction in this game.

I can end most encounters with one round of casts, if that.

Moar casts isn't as much of an advantage as it may appear.

[undone minnow]

It's enough, but the other two getting something just made me curious as to what spirit could get

[sly escarp]

Hmm...perhaps it could give a teeny tiny bit of scaling to all abilities?

[undone minnow]

Theoretically getting something, that is

[sly escarp]

Like, 1/10 of what a point in the main virtue would get

[undone minnow]

Hmm

But courage getting armor makes complete sense

[sly escarp]

Courage gets a tiny bonus to armour, Grace to weapon scaling, and spirit a teeny bonus to all ability efficacy

[undone minnow]

At least with grace giving so much damage

[sly escarp]

TBH that's less of a pips thing and more of a "multiplier is too weighted" thing for one of grace's other bonuses

[distant jungle]

The crit multi still needs to be reigned the hell in.

But I'd be fine with weapon scaling pips keeping their higher scaling if Courage had better armor scaling.

[sly escarp]

Would also mean you have a reason to lean courage in hybrid builds.

Pensieve set might get you going more Courage than Grace if you feel squishy

[glad sapphire]

thats some epic music I love it ;d

[quick junco]

Grace also seems to have more downsides though. Like the finisher bonus doesnt work against specific enemies and the headshot bonus seems kinda useless if you are melee

[sly escarp]

Just wait until you get to some of the later quests.

DE cooked with the audio

[sly escarp]

Throw the melee

Can still headshot on throw, just not on strike

[quick junco]

oh right. I never throw so i forget thats a thing xD

[distant jungle]

Enter throws.

And most enemies can be finishered.

[sly escarp]

Yeet the Gathannan at their Head with Maximum Grace

[distant jungle]

Even then, several arcanics force unaware.

So just shanking them at all now gives crit multi.

[sly escarp]

Gracefully Slam the Giant Stick into the enemy's skull

[lament path]

Stagger and sneak attacks can go from a pretty heavy hit to instant kill on the elites

[sly escarp]

Will say, as much as we agree they needed to go...we miss the shield and polearm forced knockdowns sometimes.

Maybe it could come back as an ability someday

[quick junco]

well pretty much any humanoid enemies. The non-humanoid i still havent figured out how to do finishers on.

[sly escarp]

Like as a bolas or smth on a pact.

[lament path]

😔 If only we got more shields in exchange

[sly escarp]

Take out the legs then use any weapon to get the ground finisher

[sly escarp]

We got...one...shield in exchance

[lament path]

Bolas could work well for a spider pact

[sly escarp]

That's...something?