gameplay-discussion

[half talon]

Pff rest, what is that...

[scenic solar]

I'm aware, but I'd like to be able to get the shiny variant

I'm at 90+ and not seen it once

[sly escarp]

Have you been checking in arsenal

[scenic solar]

no? just inventory page

[sly escarp]

It's bugged so the Moonsteel UI doesn't appear in inventory apparently...

[scenic solar]

oh... of course >_>

[sly escarp]

We're sorry to say you're the second person we've had to inform this of today

[scenic solar]

nope, nothing

[half talon]

The first being me lol

Dang it

[past drift]

Really glad I just read this and haven't been tossing anything yet

[fervent sun]

Whoa I've trashed probably 20 of them damn it

[noble viper]

Hi quick question, This mace has Galvanic Strike Temper, now my quotation is will adding more grace attunement buff that temper perk damage ?

[ivory meteor]

I don't think the tempers work on the Orst-III weapons. Atleast they didn't last weekend

[smoky crater]

They do

[noble viper]

They work perfectly for me too

[pseudo nexus]

Where can i farm a lot of sinecure knight wielding orst ? Is it random or is there any camp with guarranted spawn (not the agari)

[noble viper]

Its random drops but high rarity with many tempers usually drops from high rank enemies

[lethal tundra]

@pseudo nexus the mace Knights are just around

[rigid urchin]

What qualifies as a kick stagger? As long as I hit my e or do the enemies need to have their stagger bar full?

[distant jungle]

I assume the former out of hope as the latter would render it worthless.

I assume it is you kick them and they flinch.

And don't just tank through it.

[cursive hinge]

Hi all! how can I get a preludes invitation? I just made an account-my husband made one too- but no invitation?

[tender bone]

you get the codes from watching streams (or if someone gives u the codes)

[cursive hinge]

we are good now, thanks everyone@

[old burrow]

Did you both get a code or just one?

[fresh spindle]

Hey guys, how do I rank Tuvulkane up to Bond level 3? I've crafted a boatload of level 2 gear but their level icon hasnt filled up at all

[undone minnow]

Level three is currently unavailable

[still wave]

? what is the lightning strike that randomly happens called

where the enemy will kneel down then gets hit by it

[undone minnow]

It's a kamikaze of sorts

taking you down with them

[still wave]

ah I thought I was doing it

thanks

I couldn't find it on the wiki

[finite stone]

What kind of stuff would you like to read about it?

could throw something on the Sinecure section I guess? It's just an alternate death that happens sometimes

[sly escarp]

You have to create new items for her

[sly escarp]

It absolutely is available

And is required to craft 3 star items

[fresh spindle]

Yeah, crafted well over 10 level 2 new items already

[sly escarp]

Odd. And you're sure it's not your Envoy Rank overlaying? That's been a recent bug

[fresh spindle]

Hm, shouldn't be since my envoy is rank 8

[sly escarp]

Have you tried relogging?

[still wave]

I thought I was doing that lightning strike and I couldn't find anything about it, @undone minnow told me it was a death animation where the enemy tries to hurt me as they die

[fresh spindle]

I assumed it was linked the the number of pacts I crafted, but I claimed Orengall and the bar still sits at the bottom on the level orb

[sly escarp]

Hm. Gonna give you the support link, they might be able to help.

https://support.soulframe.com/

It's not based on pacts

Wait a second

You could craft Orengall?

[distant jungle]

I mean when you recieve the frag you still gotta craft it.

[sly escarp]

Asking for codes is not allowed in the discord

[fresh spindle]

Yes, it shows as tier 2

[upbeat mauve]

oh mb

[sly escarp]

Orengall...should be Rare iirc?

This sounds like a whole mess

Support is probably your best bet

[fresh spindle]

I'll check if it's a visual bug though, I dont think I have any unlocked tier 3 weapons yet'

Alrighty

[rugged smelt]

when did ballistic triangles from the sky dropping on yo location with like 3 enemies in them start happening? which update brought this bc it only happened to me today like 6 times and nothing online know what im talking about

[sly escarp]

Very strange

[finite stone]

14.5

[still wave]

last update

[rugged smelt]

was it in the notes? i didnt see it

[still wave]

i dont think so

[sly escarp]

They just mentioned more encounter types

[finite stone]

Similar to the Blessed Meetings it was just described as 'new world encounters' I think

[rugged smelt]

is blessed meetings like when one of the big animals give you a boost randomly?

[undone minnow]

when was it made available? no matter how much i craft i dont progress past level 2

[still wave]

scared the crap out of me when it happened the first time, I almost went splat

[sly escarp]

Since like p7

Wrong reply

Oops

[rugged smelt]

yea i played like on day of release and it didnt happen ( i played for like 3 hours) but today its like been several times idk why

[sly escarp]

Since like p7

[undone minnow]

omfg i thought they said verminia

im so dumb

[finite stone]

[undone minnow]

I was so confused when you said three stars so i had to go check

[rugged smelt]

also why does the things that used to be like "traps" (you walk towards a chest or somethings and then blue ode'n walls go up and you get attacked and the walls stay until you defeat all enemies) now are just visible and no longer trap like? is that intentional or like just on my side things

[sly escarp]

Seems like a bug

[still wave]

I would love a grimoire like magic weapon, any weapons you all would like to see added?

[undone minnow]

Those traps always seem to contain loose animals

[vital root]

i switched factions, and now i got a quest to gain entry to other factions
however i already have access to my first faction, so im not sure how to complete that

[finite stone]

Light greatswords would be amazing, like the ones the axe sword (lmao) knights have

proper swift hand-and-a-half sword movesets rather than the bulky anime greatswords

[sly escarp]

You'll need to figure out how to enter the enclaves of each faction

[still wave]

ah not a bad idea, ooo knuckle weapons so we can have some hand 2 hand, a whip also would be fun as a secondary

[cloud palm]

Is it me or are the "clear sinecure encampment" objectives on bounties absolutely messed up?

Like, I clear them and Im permanently left at 4/5

[river elk]

have to walk around it and clear the last guy, sometimes it is specific clear, like a guard missed.

[languid hill]

or you can also agro some random sinecure soldier that are patrolling the area and kill him in the objective area

[jade otter]

From what I've noticed, the camp counts the dogs in the total. However they do not count them when defeated. So you end up one or two short.

Though as Undercover said you can lure other enemies into the camp and they will count.

[visual radish]

I just find someone around and kite them towards the camp

[hexed field]

lock on just got me killed for the very first time, because instead of focusing what was actively stabbing me it focused a passive unit and made me leap into the middle of the pack.

There's no really good way to do it without giving the player control over it that would feel good either, unless you want to turn fights into a turn based thing which would kill the flow of the game...

disappointing performance on my part.

[surreal shore]

how do i get scrap iron 😭

[hexed field]

weapon racks are good sources of scrap metals.

[languid hill]

dogs only count when they flee far enough after being defeated

[surreal shore]

i only get scrap metal and brass, over 100 of each but 0 scrap iron

[hexed field]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[surreal shore]

nobody ik has gotten scrap iron from racks either

[hexed field]

2 out of three of the types repp'd. need me some drop tables or bounty rewards screens

[languid hill]

racks with halberds give brass and steel.
racks with swords give steel and iron

[surreal shore]

gotcha, thanks

guess ive never found 1 w swords

[languid hill]

there are plenty of swords in the undercity

[distant jungle]

I find that holding a direction while attacking will override the lock-on. It's not the smoothest but it usually works.

So if you're facing an enemy, just hold forward while attacking.

It should force you in that direction.

[hexed field]

It takes considerable effort from me on a controller, but it is possible to break the lock. I just couldn't this time and the resulting mess led to me dying. Made me realize just how frustrated it's made me.

Typically I not only have to dodge away from the immediate fight, but reorient my character and the camera to face the enemy I want to strike to break the lock.

It's just not feasible all the time, so a lot of the time I'll just go with the flow if I can.

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah, it definitely takes you out of the flow.

The lock on system desperately needs tweaks.

Sometimes you're fighting it more than the enemy.

[solid swift]

How do I GET a rune? I'm stuck on this for weeks

I tried googling but all the results are about proccing, or equiping, but I haven't discovered how to GET one

I tried to kill all enemies possible, exploring, leveling up, everything, but haven't got a single rune

[languid hill]

bosses, sieges, chests

[solid swift]

This may sound dumb, but everything on this game is so poetic and ludic, and even as someone with a decent english knowledge, this game feels like i'm trying to read greek

[solid swift]

so am I just unlucky or what? I'm slightly 30 hours into the game, explored it a lot, did a lot of shrines (or whatever they're called), killed three story bosses, and haven't found a single one

[languid hill]

just keep going I guess

you probably already have some runes but aren't compatible with your current weapon

[solid swift]

let me check, i'm currently using the Oscelda founder weapon

[solid swift]

unchecking the "compatible", it revealed the runes I have. Saddly you're right, I don't have any axe(?) or shield(?) to equip them

[visual radish]

Not story bosses
"World" bosses in specific places

[solid swift]

ngl I'm kinda tilted, because it feels i'm just going nowhere killing enemies for nothing

at the least the pact is getting leveled

[solid swift]

oh, I was actually referring to the story ones, the three headed bear, nimrod, the stag. I'm not late on the story, especially because I'm stuck on this rune quest. Most of the time I was wandering without destination, killing enemies, doing "dailies" and retrying the shrines expecting something to happen

[visual radish]

I should have expanded a bit too
The type of boss that has runes is those bosses in specific places i mentioned

[solid swift]

oh like Kabocha?

[visual radish]

Yup

[frigid agate]

The lock on was better in P12, it got worse in P13 and unchanged in P14. I hope DE sorts it out in the future.

[solid swift]

I killed that mf some times, but for now I just hit and run like that Excalibur Umbra fight when you only have the starter amp lmao

[visual radish]

The wiki people hve made a map with all those locations if you want, or just looking in the wiki

Should help too

Yeah each of the bosses has a specific rune iirc, like maybe one or two overlap

[distant jungle]

Each plains (the surface) Agari are assigned a weapon and drop both runes for it.

Idk anything about dungeon Agari as I have not checked.

[frigid agate]

Open chests. Runes are ALOT easier to get now ever since they added them to chest loot tables.

[distant jungle]

Mendiking is GS, Dimrod Flyblades, Ruthos Bow, etc.

[solid swift]

I usually try to avoid maps like those, but I think that for this game I will give try. I explored a lot and didn't even found another World Tree (or at least I passed through one but havent activated it, idk if I need to actually do that)

[solid swift]

Yeah, I open every chest I see, either the dungeon ones or the overworld ones

maybe i'm exploring the "wrong" places, or trying the same activities over and over

[versed olive]

is there a fast way to get gold in the game?

[frigid agate]

Kill and break everything.

[versed olive]

kk ty

[visual radish]

You do need to unstab the trees

Also unstabbing the trees and discovering location names should help boost your account level and give you more virtue points

[fresh spindle]

Interesting, so despite being rank 2 bond with tuvulkane, I can craft T3 gear

[solid swift]

oh we have Mastery Level here too? Shit here we go again xD

[fresh spindle]

Surprisingly easy to level! I have <100 hours and already made it to MR10

(Dont ask how long it took in WF)'

[solid swift]

we don't talk about warframe anymore

[fresh spindle]

Eugh

I got 10K in, got to LR1 and decided to slow down for a while because it was just a tad much

[solid swift]

I wouldn't survive doing it all over again lmao

Do anything in the founders pack of Soulframe is equivalent to Excalibur Prime from WF?

From what I understood, the Wyld Pacts are basically Soulframe’s equivalent of Prime frames, but I read somewhere that DE doesn’t want to make them fully exclusive like Excalibur Prime. Was the site I read wrong?

[fresh spindle]

The founders pacts are exclusive, so yeah you could see it as buying prime frames

[solid swift]

Well, in that case I'm glad I was able to get them.

I found really nice of DE that if buy a small pack, the big one gets a discount

I bought the Oscelda one out of fomo, but recently I got some money from a freelance and was a able to get the big one with the discounted price

[halcyon comet]

anyone know what the max amount of wevetseeds you can get from a harvest is? Thought it was 4 but just got 6 today

[trim willow]

not dumb at all, the game is beautifully terrible at explaining things.

[cobalt venture]

yes, yes it is and needs to be properly addressed honestly

[trim willow]

but do it in a way thematic to the game! make it be like the wastebear quest

[cobalt venture]

i would be okay with the thematic manner, but i think quest tracking needs to be greatly improved

[trim willow]

that too, the bird has issues

[scenic solar]

Well, got my first Sovereign Orst

will most likely just stop with that one

[trim willow]

WHERE AND HOW

[scenic solar]

Happenstance

[trim willow]

happens

[cobalt venture]

ya no joke, doesnt always take you to the quest, or gets stuck in one spot or tries to take you to a rock & gets stuck, this is a pathing issue in the game code related to the quest & quest objectives

[scenic solar]

tried the friendship door Undercity dungeon farm, had a cogah popped for the hell of it as I was leveling a couple things

If I get a legendary later, that'd be nice but probably going to stop actively farming them

[trim willow]

i got this officer at the start, havent needed to farm since

but id love an upgrade

[scenic solar]

No Sully Force on my Sovereign

[distant jungle]

You did not read wrong, nothing in the packs is exclusive except for Paragon, the sword from the Paragon pack.

[scenic solar]

Half right

[distant jungle]

All of the weapons and armor will become farmable some time after the founders period ends.

The cosmetics will probably be purchasable.

[scenic solar]

Paragon will be tradeable/craftable later, but tagged with the original source of the fragment

[distant jungle]

And yeah the sword will be able to be handed out, likely whenever trading becomes a thing.

But nothing else is even semi-exclusive.

[cerulean bridge]

the Talisman and Sparagon may stay exclusive to Founders

[visual radish]

No, nothing like excalibur and aside from something cosmetic no exclusives

[errant plinth]

So i rhink its a game with a lot of potencial. I like this game and the goal in this game it totally clear. But if needed i do some screens from ingame graphical bugs, so you are able to hold the quality of the world design👍

[cerulean bridge]

oh, I guess I'm wrong

[distant jungle]

Yeah, the only mark of a founder will be having an original Paragon and having planted flowers.

[cerulean bridge]

I guess only the Founder's store for IRL merch is exclusive

[halcyon comet]

A small part of me was hoping for there to be at least something equivelant to excal prime

Just for the flex of owning it in 10yrs time 😭😂

[visual radish]

Well DE dont want that headache again again

[cerulean bridge]

I feel like I'm Lancelot in Monty Python killing everybody in the castle... I'm not even using Flitsmoke, but I'm running up to everybody fast enough that I'm still able to do a sneak attack and one-shot them

I feel like daggers make your character less noticeable to enemies

[distant jungle]

They specifically want to never do that again as they recognized the mistake it was the first time they did.

[halcyon comet]

Yeah I do understand that. Just me having a "that couldve been me" moment 😂

Still kicking myself after all these years that I was a few months late to warframe to get him

[halcyon comet]

@quartz crown freaking awesome lil montage in #envoy-creations dude. Can I ask what resolution and fps you play on?

[blissful bramble]

Is there a specific avakot location I need to go to to find duelo available for purchase? I could've sworn it was available for 3k

[finite stone]

It is available! But it's not location-specific, it simply gets rotated similar to the rare materials - try him again after another rotation

[blissful bramble]

ohhhhh

[blissful bramble]

One more question, how long does a rotation last XDDD

[finite stone]

He resets every 3hrs!

[blissful bramble]

ohhh, ok tyty

[nocturne meadow]

It wasn’t cheap either if I recall correctly

[halcyon comet]

cheapest backing option with excal prime was like 50 usd

[tender bone]

is this worth slotting in on silistavf?

actually im not quite sure what to put on the totems

[halcyon comet]

havent used magick yet but if your main combat style with the staff is kinda just spamming light attacks that seems like it would be a decently viable option

not sure what the other options are for attack totems with the weapon class though

[tender bone]

i have this on the other atk slot equipped

i dont have the atk speed totem yet sadge

[halcyon comet]

I havent looked tooooo much into min/maxing yet but the way I've been going about totems is either trying to add stuff to fill gaps in my build (heal on smite if I dont have heal on smite elsewhere) or what I would get value from more frequently

[halcyon comet]

this seems good on its own but honestly the atk speed and the armour strip seem like they would synergise pretty well

[tender bone]

yeah im still trying to get it tbh, sadly the damnable thing is a gold totem

[halcyon comet]

again though I havent looked too deep into it yet cause im still grinding out some earlier stuff, so there might be some funky gimmicks to the way armour strip stacks, or how high/low the cap is on it

[full heron]

squirrel atk speed and rat splash damage is my go to for like every weapon

[tender bone]

rat? which rat?

[halcyon comet]

splash damage?

[full heron]

the one that gives %dmg to a nearby enemy

[halcyon comet]

every weapon in the class of staffs or every weapon?

[tender bone]

the blighted?

[halcyon comet]

oh what I havent seen that yet

[full heron]

every weapon pretty much lol

[tender bone]

is it good?

[blissful bramble]

i have gotta get the rat ones

But I can never find rats, they elude me

[halcyon comet]

that sounds hella good, does that work with bleed or only damage from attacks? and is there a cd on it?

[finite stone]

This one

[blissful bramble]

Valkyrie the ratless

[full heron]

yeah i like it, sometimes kill enemies without hitting them directly

[halcyon comet]

sorry for the questions that is the first ive heard of it and that sounds hella nice

[tender bone]

nice i have that

[halcyon comet]

dermak

[full heron]

rats are kinda hard to find compared to the others

[tender bone]

damn it where can i farm for squirrels </33

[blissful bramble]

Ahh

[blissful bramble]

I remember when I had the quest for squirrels I couldn't find any. Now that I did it I'm swimming in them

[full heron]

just keep an eye out while you do other stuff and pop soul sight and look around a lot

[tender bone]

they keep giving me the wrong gold totem

[blissful bramble]

Also I just discovered I can bestitch my clothes off XDDD

[blissful bramble]

Oof. I just like my attack speed one, doesn't feel right on my sword without it

[halcyon comet]

Solo-ing endgame content naked

[tender bone]

what about defense and utility totems? which one do uuse

[blissful bramble]

Always my strat, birthday suit is always the best armor

[distant jungle]

For defense I believe the standard is still just +armor.

For utility just +smite of your choice.

[tender bone]

dawg we literally encountered someone naked yesterday

[blissful bramble]

lemme check
I got Mercurial in every slot, with my second attack being bulwark (heavy attacks bypass armor)

[halcyon comet]

I considered going naked but honestly I kinda like the outfits for the Grace attuned sets

[blissful bramble]

Any suggestions for a noob gs player like me for what totems I should be using? I just slapped what looked cool on

[blissful bramble]

XDDD, we're spreading

[tender bone]

i mixed wyld oscelda with the duelo skirt, it looks like a barbie musketeer lol

[halcyon comet]

looks like im gonna be farming undercities for a while hunting this

[halcyon comet]

I had this on and then realised I look like Aloy from Horizon

[blissful bramble]

There we go, now the name fits

Took off the battle sister ripoff armor for this. 100% an upgrade

[blissful bramble]

Wow really does

[halcyon comet]

lowkey lore accurate if we're tryna be as "one with nature" as possible

[blissful bramble]

Dear lord, lore accurate makes it worse

XDDDD

Guhb I'm missing 2 rats and a beaver for gs totems

[halcyon comet]

the sinecure campfire horror stories of the naked gruul that wipes out armies single-handedly

[blissful bramble]

Time to run around curlail, only place I've seen a rat

[blissful bramble]

XD beware the screaming naked envoys XDDD

[trim willow]

"maybe the stars shouldn't see all gruul"

[blissful bramble]

I'd probably crap my pants if a screaming naked person ran at me with a greatsword though, I don't blame them XDDDD

[tender bone]

hol up is the blighted viable to use in cogah

[finite stone]

"More grease for the soil, eh- oh, by Sidae, put some pants on!!"

[tender bone]

or does the dmg fall off

[trim willow]

"more grea- OH GOD ITS ALREADY GREASED UP"

[blissful bramble]

bwahahaha

I wish I could just join people's games or smth

[trim willow]

honestly i just want a kilt, they already put a Scottish king into the game, gimme a kilt

[blissful bramble]

I long to charge in and smash things

[halcyon comet]

LetMeSoloHer vibes

[blissful bramble]

Kilts would go hard

[blissful bramble]

XD, gotta take inspiration from only the best

[trim willow]

shit id let you beat bosses up for me if only for the hilarity of it all

[blissful bramble]

I'm crap at the game lol, I just do it for the memes. Felt how good ripostes can feel for the first time today though, locked in when I accidentally did the kearnhold boss and just kept smacking his sword away

[rich dune]

You know what? I wanna auto-fire option in Settings for caster weapons. For the sake of mouse/controller triggers life longer

[blissful bramble]

Parry window totem my beloved

[blissful bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-clicker-click-frenzy-click-mouse-fast-clicking-gif-17810486

[trim willow]

dont worry so am i!

ive been forcing myself to play duelo to learn better dodging and parries xD

On my Teth i just swish the big bong around like a maniac

[blissful bramble]

I absolutely love duelo

[trim willow]

duelo+ speed+ armor strip navalha

[blissful bramble]

The guitar noise actually helped me get down my dodges a lot, now I just need to learn to parry

[trim willow]

some good ole buttery smooth gameplay

[blissful bramble]

I forgor about teth, I should try it sometime

Fencing with a gs is very fun though

Tried bows and magic, just not my thing, give this girl the biggest sword ya got

[halcyon comet]

duelo bow grace builds are disgusting ive found if youre looking for just raw DPS

[blissful bramble]

Need to get a triple mora to stick on my paragon

[trim willow]

agreed, bows and magic are eh

[blissful bramble]

Might have to try it

I'm running courage ode tempest gs build rn

Bowling ball is amazing for getting space to charge a full heavy attack

[trim willow]

i should try courage duelo xD

see how that goes

[blissful bramble]

I was doing that before I got ode

the flintlock goes from a gun to a cannon

Point and click adventure, I have a .50 cal and they have slingshots

[halcyon comet]

hitting headshots consistently can be a liiiitle bit difficult in some fights, but seriously it is just nuts for burst damage

[blissful bramble]

Very very fun

[blissful bramble]

Yeah that gun is crazy

[halcyon comet]

not even the gun, the 3rd ability that gives you a clone

with the bow, then the headshot multiplier from grace

it just absolutely shreds though everything

for me the flintlock is purely just for fun and satisfying kills xD

[blissful bramble]

Gross, never even thought of that

I wanna make a cracked greatsword build

Not sure what to run with it though lol

[halcyon comet]

next time im about to do a boss fight ill clip it and post

im not using a finished build cause still grinding out faction standing n stuff, but even with the stuff I have now I dont think there's been a single fight I have struggled with using this build

[blissful bramble]

Jeez

[halcyon comet]

once this build is finished I do want to try a courage build. I usually hate slower weapons in games but the clips ive seen look so freaking good xD

[finite stone]

and then buffing your grace even more with bravada too!

[halcyon comet]

yupppp

and then if you really want to push it you can drink the buff, get the daily buff from beasts, and find a song statue

not sure how much they all stack but yeah

[distant jungle]

Don't even need a bow. If it can be finishered, Flintsmoke can force one and then you just shank them with a dagger.

If you have Duo and the virtue boost active, you can one-tap Agari still.

If you go pure Grace at least.

[halcyon comet]

yeah very true actually. I havent played around too much with finishers

[distant jungle]

If it can be finishered, they're a 'shanky shank' away from instant death.

If not, you can perform yeet, or just shoot them in the face.

[trim willow]

tethren, flyblades, use your courage skill, use your Flys, use your spirit, acumulate a few hits from the flys

do a charged heavy hit and end some poor boss' career

[blissful bramble]

That sounds cursed

So cursed I lost my lips for a second

[trim willow]

nice set a teeeth ye gots there, ill give ye...2 moranite for all em

[blissful bramble]

Sounds a fair trade

[halcyon comet]

@blissful bramble few extra shots cause I wasnt sure if I killed or just staggered him but yeah... the damage is stupid

[short mirage]

is this game a sandbox mmo?

[blissful bramble]

Holy crap

[distant jungle]

Casually deals over 5k damage in one shot lol.

Normal for pure Grace Duelo, still absurd overall.

[distant jungle]

No.

To both of those things.

[trim willow]

have we all universally decided that our duelo's are ginger/redhaired ladies?

[blissful bramble]

Mine was too XDDDD

YES MY STICKER WORKS

[trim willow]

because uhh

[blissful bramble]

Arya starck?

I mistyped that, gah

[halcyon comet]

yeah exactly. the fact that this is a pretty low-end build cause I am still farming standing, yet it pushes out that much damage is wild. Get that min/maxed and youre looking at effectively deleting any enemy in the game

Was just posting to show valkyrie what I was talking abt earlier

[trim willow]

actually i tried to make her as close to my partner as possible ^^

[blissful bramble]

That's actually epic

Also if she looks anything like that you're one lucky guy :)

Holy crap it's 5am, I gotta sleep XDD, nigth all lmao

[halcyon comet]

oh my goodness 😭

i opted for ginger lady cause it felt suited to the character and nature etc. Just personal vibes i guess

[halcyon comet]

o7

[blissful bramble]

[distant jungle]

Mine is a perfectly normal person who is a human with human skin and human mannerisms.

[keen quiver]

my favourite part of the game is how every npc is super depressed and wants to die

[trim willow]

mm yes she looks like she enjoys stale bread dipped in water (and will fight ducks for it)

[distant jungle]

I forget who it was but someone climbed past level 200 in Cogah using pure Grace Duelo to prove the point that it's broken.

[trim willow]

she looks way better than my shitty designing abilities but YES i am lucky :D

[distant jungle]

I think it's still somewhere in feedback, them still one-shotting stuff.

[fallow arch]

tf is this

[blissful bramble]

Might need to try cracked bow stuff before they nerf it

[trim willow]

its the W-orst III

[halcyon comet]

yeah wow

[rich dune]

I just love this color. There's nothing mystical about it.

[keen quiver]

please for the love of god edit the climbing animation so we dont look like frogs climbing ladders

[trim willow]

OOOOOR, add frogs to the game so we can feel at home :)

[keen seal]

garren rood, max out healheart, then every time u get hit then hit an enemy u get back more than a full rune charge. then proceed to spam rune attacks while letting enemies hit u inbetween them. u immediately heal back all the hp you lost when u hit them anyways.
then u just get +35% to nearby enemies totem and ur set

[naive cloud]

Maaaaybe they want us to be frogs 😂

[halcyon comet]

frogframe

[tender bone]

FINALLY

[halcyon comet]

is this info wrong or is it just bugged atm cause i harvested 6 this morning and 8 just now

[keen seal]

wtf

[halcyon comet]

wait nevermind i am stupid. when you harvest it just shows your total when you harvest

[naive cloud]

It shows your total

[keen seal]

u sure u harvested that many?

[tender bone]

nahhh i think when u do that it shows total

[keen seal]

ok yea LOL

[naive cloud]

Yeah lol

[halcyon comet]

yep yep got it sorry 😭

I was thinking this is insane

little bit unintuitive UI design though I feel

[keen seal]

man does anyone else struggle immensely getting some of the cogah runes

i absolutely cannot obtain treefell and the hollowing

the mendicant king and sinecure-errant vella wanna keep me down

[naive cloud]

I’m also trying to get treefell and a couple others xD

[frank scarab]

do parry window rune stack on primary and secondary?

[keen quiver]

warframe=space ninjas while soulframe =frog samurai?

[halcyon comet]

me but flintsmoke

[vagrant kayak]

No, per weapon

[wise badger]

Does Cogah affect Orst's craftwork? I have over 150+ maces and only 1 dropped Noble

[exotic gale]

Is there a cap for wevetseeds? I think I heard 100?

[vagrant kayak]

I believe 100 is the cap yes

[vagrant kayak]

I think higher level enemies have improved drop chances so indirectly it does?

[exotic gale]

Personally, I think Hotfix 2 broke the drop rate of the the higher rarity Orst mace

Obviously, they added Stock as a possible drop which lowers the chance, but it feels like I've seen far less people getting Noble and Legendary drops. Could be confirmation bias though....

[rich dune]

It's funny we have more rare totems than common

[tender bone]

where are u checking this

[rich dune]

Little Genius

[vagrant kayak]

I do kind of think Stock shouldn't be a drop tbh

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1505859082840703127

With what 6 rarities already? Plus Moonsteel? I think Stock can be cut or kept for "training" weapons

Also a little strange that every rarity has a Soulframey name and then there's Legendary

Not complaining but would have preferred a more thematic name

[finite stone]

The curse strikes again!

[halcyon comet]

can anyone tell me where the crit spot is for the weaver? I thought it might be the blue glowing spots but it doesnt seem to be, or just a skill issue

[finite stone]

Hahaha I think I'm the same, I keep rejecting the 3-star animals and only charming the 4 or 5s 😭

[brave hatch]

Is Circade Armour Set still obtainable?

[halcyon comet]

yep

you no longer need the talisman to get it as well

[tender bone]

how do u get it

[simple needle]

Can I ask how can one get access to this game? I've been in discord for a while 😄

[halcyon comet]

need to do a puzzle in the crypt

[barren scroll]

Check the pinned message in this channel.

[halcyon comet]

either get it from someone that has spares or watch the weekly Envoy Hour stream!

[worn lance]

Hey i was wondering isn't Orengall supposed to show up in Nighthold ? Cuz i never saw her around, same for Mestra btw, i've done both quests and have had the pop up saying they joined the nighthold but they're nowhere to be found ^^'

(and yes i've built AND maxed both pacts)

[simple needle]

Wait if I buy the founders pack I get access?

[halcyon comet]

nope they dont show up at this stage

[halcyon comet]

also yes

[worn lance]

Ok thanks ! are they supposed to at some point then ?

[simple needle]

Awesome, any1 have spare code to share? otherwise I'll just buy this

[halcyon comet]

not sure would be cool though

[worn lance]

Yeah that's what i was thinking, like the nighthold has a lot of extra space, would be nice to see it expanded at some point with more ancestors coming in

Cuz like rn it's a circle with a few shops and a whole lot of empty around 🥲

[halcyon comet]

infinite space for new additions

30min timer for cogah boss respawns right?

Might just play a game of overwatch between each respawn 😂

[keen quiver]

a mount would be nice

[halcyon comet]

[finite stone]

Mounts are upcoming content and more is being shown at tennocon

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/agustdgaf-crowd-cheering-gif-9745677813629958610

it would also be fun to be able to play regatta with other players

[finite stone]

You already can! It was added in... November last year, I think?

Mm yes it was added with P12 (founders update)

[keen quiver]

oh nice, i just found my first social hub so that makes sense that i did not know

[finite stone]

Nice! Go sit for a little while and usually someone will come up and challenge you 👀

[lime granite]

Would be nice to have a really rare armor set/weapon down the line. Always nice to kill a hard boss (or clear a hard raid/dungeon) and just have something thats not easily obtainable

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dark-souls2-boss-weapons-happy-souls-gif-19568470

[lime granite]

Cant afk in Orgrimmar in rare gear to aura farm here, but i think you know what i mean

[lime granite]

Ye or just something thats rare. You can easily obtain everything as of right now if you just grind for it

[keen quiver]

is there a way to sell duplicate totems or refine them into a stronger item?

[lime granite]

Runes can be sold for "dust" that you use to upgrade them

2500 dust per rune

[keen quiver]

not runes, totems

[dapper sigil]

lmk

[lime granite]

I'm pretty sure its the same process as for runes, you just get less dust per totem sold

I think its RMB when in nighthold to sell

[keen quiver]

yeah i got it sorted thanks a bunch!

[finite stone]

Looks like it's just Flayed Reaper

his name gets mis-displayed as Reaper in the Journal, it's his old P13 name

[keen quiver]

misplayed if you will

[solid musk]

is this map outdated? and if it is, can i have an updated one?

[viscid sandal]

uhm I'll just ask, is The Lurker (Rat) totem of SnS working as intended? I can't see a damage tic around myself

[dapper sigil]

wth is going on with rovgot ruin history motes

there are none, its cheeks mcgee

[regal shadow]

There's no rovgot ruins but other than that, looks fine, could also check out the interactive map online, soulmap.avakot.org

[viscid sandal]

yes outdated, organ 1 should be near skelfies now, should also have the rovgot ruins

[regal shadow]

I've heard you need the maestra armor equipped to be able to see them

[dapper sigil]

WOW!!! stinky!!!!

[regal shadow]

Oh yeah, this too

[regal shadow]

Or it might be just the ribbon, 'm not sure, I haven't farmed neither the armor set nor the rovgot motes yet

[dapper sigil]

i'll wear it all, lets see

[rich dune]

That's right))

[harsh mica]

This is very outdated. There was a new "farming" route posted on reddit 2 weeks ago or so.

[robust sparrow]

So the Arena is this dead end Garren?

[sinful scarab]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1493747403424141402

[solid musk]

i was told to go to a world tree to start the sparrow's tale quest....
where is it?

[regal shadow]

Top row are the sparrow tales

[sinful scarab]

the 3 at the top with stars above them and numbers under them ( enemy level)

[trim willow]

all of them count as sparrows tales. you can either finish one of those quest chains or do a siege.

[solid musk]

ohhhh

forgot thats the name of it

also how am i suppose to know which ones are the good ones?

i dont want to accidently sell it

[smoky crater]

You can sell from your inventory too

That way you can see which are which

[trim willow]

check if it is higher than standard

and you can check from your inventory as wagiii said

[solid musk]

btw whats the best place to farm for a good one?

my best one is officer grade

[tender bone]

is the smite on this good

or is it better if i use it for armor

[smoky crater]

Pretty sure we dont have any definitive answers to if the rarity is affected by anything. Just a whole lotta RNG

[solid musk]

god i still have so many things to max out

[smoky crater]

I'd say armor since you get 15 magick armor out of that maxed out iirc

[tender bone]

thanks!

[viscid sandal]

does anyone know what is that jelly-like effect? the enemy is not hitting, I'm just pushing it back and I noticed that it does that effect whenever I do so.

[rigid urchin]

throwing hands with stag forgot why immune

I had to bash charge or something right?

fast help pls

[vagrant kayak]

Vadagar Stag doesn't have immunity, if you're seeing the gray health bar your weapon's attacks are too weak, try charged heavies or Rune attacks

If you have armor strip Totems those can help as well

[tender bone]

What the gray bar mean

[vagrant kayak]

Means your light attack damage doesn't beat their armor

If your attack does 50 and an enemy has 60 armor they'll have the gray health bar and you'll only do 1 damage

But a heavy attack, headshot, Rune attack, Smite, finisher, etc... may still be effective

[rigid urchin]

Strange, ty for help

means armor is a flat reduction rather than % scaling

[regal shadow]

Basically, yes

[tall root]

Random question: anyone found a Moonstone Orst-III? I know it exists but not sure if it’s worth farming right now or waiting until P15 drops to forge the roll i want.

[half talon]

Moonsteel? Allegedly someone has, however you can’t see it from your inventory. You have to go into the nightfold in order to see if it’s moonsteel.

[stray pewter]

Does anyone know how to get the prelude honor talisman? I just got invited for the first time and I don’t have it

[half talon]

They will return later as an item obtainable in game

[stray pewter]

Ah okay thank you 👍

[tall root]

Thanks! I’m doing a little farming for a specific roll to test with and heard about it

[half talon]

Valid! Funnily enough I have a 3 temper that does more damage and is better to my own style than the two nobles with 5 tempers. RNG is a funny thing for sure!

[twin skiff]

Who has the best Orst

[keen quiver]

hear me out : fishing for totems

[tall root]

As soon as i saw Galvanic Strike, Fleet Fling, and Swooning Blow I HAVE to make a Bonk! build and just chuck a big stick at people!

[half talon]

I wouldn’t oppose that at all. Chuck it in #1438224662344761345

[glass swift]

Hey can someone tell me whats the best methode to have the Gathannan

[half talon]

Painfully… I believe the current method is RNG through the Vadagar Stags or purchasing from the shop.

[glass swift]

Oh ... i heard that this is only 1 % drop rate so i juste to do the bosse leave the game and restart the boss all along ?

[half talon]

That or just running to the different spawn points during the night and hope for the best

[keen quiver]

is that really rare? my buddy got one off the first stag we came across that wasnt the questline one

[glass swift]

Okk ty mate

[glass swift]

Yeah its rare asf X

[keen quiver]

thats crazy im boutta call him and wake him up rn to tell him

bro was kissed by rngeezus

[languid hill]

I still haven't got a single fragment and it's the only weapon left that I haven't max leveled yet

[limpid wing]

How strong have you guys gotten your magic 2ndaries on Cogah (solo)

[opal fable]

if you don't mind login spamming you can do that. find a tree that can spawn the stag tale and just respawn till its there

[forest thicket]

Im pretty lost on what to do in the game
i want to play garen rood but i dont know what atribbutes to set on him
any help?

[opal fable]

most people set their virtues more to what weapons they plan on using than on what pact they are using

[forest thicket]

only useable thing i have currently is polearm but i will be using Grinn probably

[opal fable]

for grinn you will need a bit of grace i think

[forest thicket]

what about purity

how do i get it

[opal fable]

purity is a courage weapon

i think purity drops from the mendicant king in the bottom left of the map

[tender bone]

the totem grind killed me

7 hrs just to get 2 spirited

[past drift]

I can't imagine actually grinding those instead of just getting them as you go, that's crazy work

[subtle salmon]

I get the same purple and gold totems over and over. Regardless if it's cogah, regular mode, etc. Think it is whack atm.

[tender bone]

i was getting them while in cogah lmao

[quasi wolf]

Yeah always farm animals in between activities. Not worth farming exclusively for them. Especially squirrels

I can’t find them when I need them

[knotty imp]

guess the grind got you SPIRITED AWAY

[tender bone]

LMAO

nah but its insane tho, imagine doing cogah, votives and just running thru the entire map and like maybe 50+ squirrels and i only get 2 gold squirrels

[opal fable]

you can also get gold totems out of the cages sometimes

[tender bone]

guess rngesus just hated my ass

[oak furnace]

Turn to Lootcifer. He has cookies

[tender bone]

damn now i want cookies

[blissful bramble]

Ohh ty

[opal fable]

anyone notice vram creeping up higher in longer play sessions?

[warm marsh]

If anybody needs a code to get soulframe I have one left

[opal fable]

burned the pole but didn' get a siege complete or my rewards :(

[fathom herald]

would anybody be able to tell me how to acquire a rune? i saw that you can get it from defeating world bosses and opening chests and i have yet to acquire one and it's stopping me from completing one of the first few quests of "equip a rune" and "wield a rune in battle." I keep killing the tormented stag and i don't get it from that either.

[prisma folio]

Sovereign with these buffs is probably the best im going to get and could ask for honestly till the update

[opal fable]

that is a nice one

[prisma folio]

First one of the day to i think my grinds gunna end right there lol

[opal fable]

ive got 3 sovereigns, and 2 of them are trash and 1 is ok

[sour pilot]

Hey all! I'm looking to get the Garren Set, but I'm a little confused on how to get the fragments. Any help is appreciated :3

[sly escarp]

Killing the Vadagar Stag drops it!

[sour pilot]

Huh! Haven't seen one of those yet QwQ

[sly escarp]

The Stag is a boss that can spawn from some pools during Night

Sometimes you'll get a bear instead though

[sour pilot]

That's gonna be a pain to farm x3

I don't even know where the pools are!

[opal fable]

check the world trees for faction tales too, those can generate quests with the stag

[sour pilot]

[waxen flower]

Also keep an eye on the recruitment in game chat sometimes people share their stags

Just ask for an invite!

[sour pilot]

Ohhhh, i had chat turned off this whole time, admittedly x3

[waxen flower]

They don't bite!

It also rarely drops gathannan

[sour pilot]

Hmmm, interesting!

[undone minnow]

I happen to have a stag up

[sour pilot]

I'm not home currently, but i appreciate the thought!

[undone minnow]

all good

[trim willow]

maybe the rune it did drop isnt for your particular weapon?

happened to me, i got the rune for heavies while using Wuulder

[slender scarab]

Hi Game worked on Linux ??

[distant jungle]

Register it on steam as a non-steam game and launch it through that.

Even out the gate the proton layer should make it run just fine, or so I have seen reported.

[blissful bramble]

I forgot we can do that XD

[digital turret]

What a beautiful view

[proven smelt]

yes

[tacit tinsel]

How do I do the "Complete your journal entry on the squirrel" Quest?

[rich breach]

How I managed to play from Preludes 1.2 to now and only TODAY figure out that Gravitate can be used to yeet yourself up onto rooftops and high ledges (as long as there's an enemy there) is mind boggling.

[oak zenith]

How do i redeem those Enclave favours? Do i need to be certain LvL or what am i doing wrong as there is no Option to do so nor can i sell them to avakot...

[sly escarp]

Charm a bunch of squirrels

[tacit tinsel]

alright thanks

[sly escarp]

Enclave shop, hit the sell tab

[oak zenith]

thanks ill check it out

[prime tartan]

where do I get the enclave favours for Alca's Children?

[glass swift]

Ty but im knew and i dont know what tales it is and if we need to be on a specefical faction

[raven hearth]

First two hours of gaming. So, what is the endgame? Do I have to suffer through "campaign" and dialogues to do my own thing like in warframe?

[opal fable]

im not sure, but i had good luck with the trees in the bottom right of the map

[distant jungle]

There is no endgame right now. This is a pre-alpha and all 'story' content can be finished in those two hours, most likely, if you just head straight to it, as content development is not yet the focus.

[glass swift]

oOOH OK

[opal fable]

current "end" game would probably just be grinding in cogah

[glass swift]

Ty

[raven hearth]

oh

[blissful bramble]

Me trying to figure out how to get cogah

[distant jungle]

Consume the Cogah Cola.

[glass swift]

Hey i tried to play ode tempest but i dont understant realy well for me the pact is very bad i dont have damage did i do something wrong and can someone send me a build or some like htat ?

[distant jungle]

Your second and third arcanics are decent. One is a shield that ramps up your armor for a set amount of time, though chunks of that time are instantly taken off every time you are hit, and these chunks are bigger when hit by a boss. The other is a field you put down that makes all enemies within take way more stagger, making it very easy to put enemies into the finisher state almost immediately. When used together, they synergize by making every attack that hits you release a blast wave with high stagger as retaliation.

The first arcanic, Seismor, is a semi-spammable damage skill, just kind of bad.

Its damage isn't consistent and even when it works properly it still isn't a lot of damage.

So it's very situational CC and not much else.

No real builds for it, as pacts don't really depend on those.

Garren Rood kind of does its stagger CC job way better while also having vastly better damage.

Making up for the lack of defense boost with an at-will full heal.

Tempest also has a grapple to engage with but Garren Rood's kick is special in that it'll instantly engage you with an enemy within soft lock range by just charging straight to them, so it fulfills that role too in any situation that doesn't involve an enemy being on a different elevation, such as on a platform.

[glass swift]

Ooooh Ty ty didnt know about that for me it was litteraly a pact with BIg Dps i was nothing thinking that deep Ty

[prime tartan]

are there just not many rat totems?

[azure fulcrum]

how do I get a medallion of mora?

the wiki is incomplete

[finite stone]

It's on the page under the 'drop sources' header - or do you mean there's another source? Afaik it's only the undercity chests but I can add another if there's one you think is missing

[undone minnow]

its possible theyre looking at either fandom or fextralife

[rich breach]

No one should ever look at those sites, hehe

[amber tendon]

if you go to higher lvl undercity there is more chance to get more resources?

[glad sapphire]

Would be nice to rotate camera when chosing your looks.... You dont see sh*t 😭

[knotty moon]

Not that I know, that said the notheastern one is generally bigger.

[amber tendon]

ty

[finite stone]

You don't customise your looks in that screen, you just choose gender. The character customisation comes later on

[glad sapphire]

oh ok.... because I had first to chose my skin hairstyle etc

and character is always looking other way 😂

[finite stone]

huh in the inquisitor scene? mabye they changed it... it used to be that you chose your initial skin, hairstyle etc by customising your mother in the castle, and you then properly customise after you get the witch verminia

[glad sapphire]

yeah I think it was mother

but still would be nice to see what you chosing

[finite stone]

oh I see what you mean yes dw, you've not made final choices, you unlock the proper character customisation by exploring and finding a witch soon

[knotty moon]

Doesn't it do a close up of the elements in questions?

[visual radish]

Pretty sure it does

[glad sapphire]

I'm checking my settings and I'm missing DLSS DLAA quality 🙁

[visual radish]

Cant even remember if they implemented that

[glad sapphire]

and no frame generation 🧐 it's ok if I give feeback like this?

[knotty moon]

That's what this channel is for: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

I'm not sure the frame generation is implemented at all though, only the upscaling part of those systems.

[visual radish]

Doubt it would be needed anyway

[knotty moon]

General rule of thumb of frame generation is that when you need it, it doesn't work well anymore.

Upscaling is great though, if you can stand the graphical artifacts.

[glad sapphire]

136 fps all max no dlss no frame gen. 2k res amd9800&geforce5080

so its quite good in some gomes without frame gen it is around 40-60 fps 😅

[lethal narwhal]

DE aren’t going to be adding frame generation anytime soon. They’ve publicly talked about their stance on AI and have decided they don’t want to add it whatsoever.

[unborn rain]

who's gonna tell him 👀 🤣

[smoky crater]

eh?

i more so feel like there's just no real need for frame gen in the framegames because they run well enough without or with upscaling

[unborn rain]

you can use smooth motion via nvidia driver

it does the job to be fair

[smoky crater]

ye that exists, same for AMD side

[unborn rain]

yeap, since I run around 100 fps i don't turn it on (144hz monitor so it doesn't make much difference)

[smoky crater]

DLSS 4 and FSR 3 hopefully 3.1.4. are coming to warframe next month so they'll probably add those to this game at some point too

tho 3.1.4 will ofc be upgradeable to 4.1

via drivers*

[knotty moon]

FSR 3?
I wonder why not 4.

[smoky crater]

4 is RX 9000 series exclusive atm

[unborn rain]

I'm praying for it 🙏

[knotty moon]

It is also retrocompatible and defaults to 3 if on other cards.

[smoky crater]

later this year will be available for 7000 series and sometime early next year for 6000 series aswell but it won't function the same way or as well with those since they don't got the same hardware as 9000 series

and yeah 3 is just compatible with far more gpu's

[unborn rain]

agreed, it's better to leave a 3.1 and those who own 9000 series can enable fsr 4 via driver

[smoky crater]

for now 9000 series owners yeah

[knotty moon]

Wouldn't make a difference to me honestly, since I can't run 4 anyway and would default to 3.1 anyway.
But it seems an odd choice since implementing that should be better for future compatibility.

Though they might have been working on it for a while.

[lethal narwhal]

Rebecca mentioned they are working on DLSS, FSR 3 and 4 support on the latest devshorts for Warframe

[smoky crater]

iirc 3.1.4 has the tech behind it that allows for easier upgrading for devs for newer versions of the upscaler

[smoky crater]

i know yes 👀

i mentioned that earlier myself aswell even

[glad sapphire]

does it matter with pact I chose ? Can I change it later ?

[smoky crater]

unless you were talking about... FSR 3 and 4?

[lethal narwhal]

Oh okay, I was just making it clear

[smoky crater]

you can change it later yes

[lethal narwhal]

Yes FSR 3 and 4

[smoky crater]

👀

didn't know they were working on 4 aswell

DLSS 4 yes but not FSR4

[unborn rain]

Me personally I would try it just to see if the game looks prettier than native TAA, performance wise the game runs fine

it would def bring my 100fps to 144 nonetheless

[smoky crater]

if they add DLAA and FSR native AA it'll most likely look better than the TAA ingame yes

[unborn rain]

double win

[smoky crater]

tends to be the case anyways

[unborn rain]

I don' if you guys tested as well, but the game gets significantly hard to run as you raise the resolution

[lethal narwhal]

Oh actually, I might have been mistaken

Rebb didn’t say anything about FSR4, I must’ve misremembered.

I went back and checked and all she talked about was FSR3 and DLSS4

[smoky crater]

ok ye

[knotty moon]

That's normal?
Or you meant beyond the obvious?

[smoky crater]

makes... more sense ig

[unborn rain]

even though gpu has headroom and SF/WF are not vram hungry

[smoky crater]

SF is very VRAM hungry at higher settings

or well... like 7-8GB kinda hungry at basically maxed out 1440p

[unborn rain]

I mean, I know that allocation/usage measurements sucks

but in general yeah

it barely uses 10 gb maxed out

I think that's very good compared to any recent titles

[smoky crater]

fairly good yeah tho with room for improvement

[knotty moon]

Like Wevetwood.

[smoky crater]

well wevetwoods isn't nearly as bad as it used to be in P13 and before

checked out of curiosity on P14 release, i threw Vol. Fog from Low to Medium, and i was still getting like 5-10 higher fps in wevetwoods after P14

[knotty moon]

I'm still having the same exact issues with it, also on the area east of the castle.

Not sure what they did to those areas in P13, but my system sure doesn't like it.

[smoky crater]

used to dip all the way down to like 68-75 in there with Vol. Fog on low before P14, after that, didn't drop below 80

[amber tendon]

which is the best faction to lvl up when building courage bromius?

[smoky crater]

any of them

there is no difference between the tales

[amber tendon]

what about the unlocks of each faction?

and the things they sell?

[smoky crater]

all that in the order you want really

[knotty moon]

Nothing spectacular, at rank 5 you get a Pact, but if specifically for Bromius then not really.
Maybe some of the weapons, but nothing is particularly synergetic so you can just chose what you prefer.

[amber tendon]

okay ty

[knotty moon]

That said, the +6 Courage Talisman from Kith of Kings is probably worth it.

[tacit panther]

i have found a fun gameplay but its a video i can post it or not ?

[knotty moon]

Youtube can be linked, other sites I have no idea.

Or you can upload the video directly if you took it and it ain't too big for Discord.

[glad sapphire]

is there extra dmg for headshots?

[knotty moon]

Yes, but not for magic weapons.

[ruby ocean]

What armor from founders is best looking for males? I kinda want to choose which to buy

[tacit panther]

i like grace

[finite stone]

Magick weapons got their headshots added back in with 14.5! 🥳

[knotty moon]

Kinda subjective.

[distant jungle]

Didn't that get fixed? I heard about that being back on.

[knotty moon]

Misinformation, yo.

[distant jungle]

I also hope it gets fixed for melee strikes.

Cus otherwise jump attacks are kinda pointless.

[finite stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/skyler-white-wife--k01KS3N7S1EVTHZZMZ5N5WWN3X4

[ruby ocean]

Its just there is no screenshots anywhere...would be cool if someone with Paragon could show how they all look

[distant jungle]

They were actually pretty good against mockeries when they got headshot damage.

Anything that hits head should headshot.

That's how it used to be too, idk why that ever got changed unless it's just a cluster of bugs.

[tacit panther]

The Idea is to fight without weapons

[finite stone]

The male appearances are on the wiki pages for each cuirass (sirin's is male by default so you can see in its main image)

[ruby ocean]

this is new...I remember looking on wiki and there wasnt one

[ruby ocean]

much thx

[tacit panther]

"Posting your own YouTube videos for others, unprompted." what unprompted means ?

[finite stone]

Without someone asking for it

[smoky crater]

without anyone asking or sumtin

like outta nowhere

[tacit panther]

ha ok ! thx

[glad sapphire]

does it have proximity voice chat?

can I meet other ppl in game or I have to start a party

I got a key but I don't know anything about this game 😅

[ruby ocean]

Got Sirin...

[glad sapphire]

but I already like it 😄

[knotty moon]

You can find other people near World Trees or in Faction hubs, but to play together you need a party.

[distant jungle]

It's all manual invite now, though they plan to add more short-form MP eventually.

[glad sapphire]

Thank you

[distant jungle]

There's also no... voice chat? Do we have that yet at all?

[knotty moon]

There is a voice chat, but I have never used it, so I have no idea how it works.

[distant jungle]

I know there's no prox chat but I'm unsure about basic voice.

Ah, then we do and I just never looked at it lol.

[smoky crater]

it does yes. iirc it was made functional in like.. p12 or p13

[finite stone]

Yup the push-to-talk voice chat was added around P12, it has its own keybind

[knotty moon]

How not if. 😛

[smoky crater]

or... P11? idk

eeeeeeee

just like any other voicechat afaik from what i quickly looked at the settings

[finite stone]

You're right, it was P11 Hotfix 12 we got vc!

[smoky crater]

option between always active and push to talk, volume, stuff like that

[knotty moon]

Is it on proximity or on party?

[finite stone]

party

[smoky crater]

party only

[distant jungle]

This game has no reason to ever have prox.

Like sure, immersion, but I don't think that's high enough of a focus here.

[knotty moon]

World Trees?
Then again, best not.

[sly escarp]

Proximity chat sounds like a nightmare to moderate tbh

At least with party only chat you can drop a party to escape being verbally accosted

[knotty moon]

Easier to report as well since you know who you had in the party.

[distant jungle]

And either way there always needs to be an off-switch.

[sly escarp]

If you had proximity chat at every world tree, it could just turn sour very quickly and convince players not to approach them anymore

[distant jungle]

Just a 'can no longer hear people talk' button.

Though it'd be useful if such a selection would be respresented on UI when in a party.

So you know when someone ain't gonna hear you if you talk.

[sly escarp]

Still, it's a cool idea.

Maybe as an alternative: World Tree Chat, a text chat space that pops up when you approach a world tree to talk with other folks at the tree?

"Oh, hey, Collector's nearby" "Cool wanna party up?"

Eh, maybe overlaps a bit with other chats

Not sure.

Be cool to talk to folks at trees though

[glad sapphire]

I love it in arc it makes game so much fun ;d

[knotty moon]

Probably worth making a feedback thread about it anyway.

[sly escarp]

Possibly.

We need to go eat dinner though

If anyone wants to steal the idea for feedback threads, go for it

[frigid agate]

Are Ode'n Mines an instakill? I just died to one holding down block while having 540 HP and full Arbearers.

[knotty moon]

Yes.

Iirc they do something like 2k damage.

[frigid agate]

Holy sh*t, so there's no tanking them.

[knotty moon]

They can be dodged though.

I wonder if magic weapons can block the damage.

[frigid agate]

Dodged yeah i'm aware, I turned a corner to find one and instinctively blocked.

I was even at the edge of the blast but i guess it still does the full 2k damage.

Sneaky Ode, They finally managed to kill me 5 months since i started playing and by a static trap of all things lol.

[tacit panther]

last time i died on a mine wile grabing a flower, cant dodge it x)

[frigid agate]

If your dead centre i guess you can't.

[tacit panther]

while i pick the flower : tiktiktiktitkTIK woops XD

[knotty moon]

And that's why pickups are to be done on a dodgeroll.

[tacit panther]

thats not the sound of a flower

[glad sapphire]

there is no climb up option?

[knotty moon]

Not yet.

[knotty moon]

They are working on climbing and vaulting.

[frigid agate]

Honest take on Ode'n Mines since i finally died to one, I think they do too much damage. I mean i get it it's a environmental hazard but i think it's a bad mechanic if it can't be blocked to mitigate some damage or dodged out of with the only real counter is to be more warry of our surroundings.

[finite stone]

Yup it's funny rn lol, but dw it's already in the works

[distant jungle]

This should def have falloff and also just not as much damage as it has.

[knotty moon]

That said, if you jump attack you can gain a bit more air time and height to help climb.

[distant jungle]

It's a bit lolsy right now that it has that huge of an instant kill radius.

[frigid agate]

Ikr, my thoughts at that exact moment was "I should be at the edge of the blast"

[knotty moon]

Organ cart strikes were that way too, and they changed those fairly fast.

[distant jungle]

I can stand still and get hit directly and not care about those tho.

So they changed it a bit too far in the other direction lol.

[knotty moon]

True.

[distant jungle]

Also they need to give the goop beavers there a special interaction.

[frigid agate]

For real? That would have been tough, I only played a few days after the Organs were added so i guess i'm glad i missed all that pain and suffering.

[distant jungle]

Being locked in an animation long enough to guarantee an organ strike is lame.

I shouldn't have to deploy strategic cutscene skips.

[knotty moon]

I kinda learnt to bait the carts to be safe, not much of a problem unless I simply didn't notice it.

[frigid agate]

Would explain why it could one shot Discharged Nimrod when we fire it at him.

[knotty moon]

🤔
Not really, there are no carts around him.

On its own the Organ strike doesn't do that much, though it is possible that the one we use and the one used against us is not the same.

[distant jungle]

This is the case yes.

If you strike yourself with it it'll kill you so hard you'll skip bird and forcibly respawn.

And it's a guaranteed instant kill if you're caught in the radius.

This is true for any envoys hit by it in MP if it's fired by another player.

[naive cloud]

kk, I'm really confused, can someone who's pretty clued up on stats help me out?

my seathorn is saying that it's doing 316 damage with +228 (I've just tried this with a grace loadout too and the numbers are the same when joineried to grace instead of spirit)

the wiki says the cap is 543 but if you add my damage and the +228 it comes to 544, so is the damage of the weapon not included with the +228?

[knotty moon]

There is PvP after all!

[distant jungle]

Lmao.

[finite stone]

Your current damage is 316 - that's the base 'charged attack stat' of 88, plus the 228 you're getting from your leveling and virtues etc. There is no 544

[undone minnow]

I don't think the +228 is on top of the damage displayed, I think it's what is added to make that number

[distant jungle]

The left is already included in the right, yes.

[naive cloud]

so wth is this?

[distant jungle]

You do not add it yourself.

[finite stone]

They're the damage caps. Hover over the little (i) for more info

[undone minnow]

That's the highest theoretical

[knotty moon]

That is correct, also subtracting it from the current damage number gets you the base damage of the weapon at rank 0.

[naive cloud]

based on what though? cause I literally can't get any higher scaling than what I have rn, hybrid grace with minimum spirit or full spirit is all the same

I'm MR18 btw

[finite stone]

You can get higher - potions, bravada, howl, etc etc

[naive cloud]

OHHHHHH

[finite stone]

You're hit your light cap, but you haven't yet hit your heavy cap (not that it matters dw, the heavy cap is insanely tough to hit for magick weapons)

[naive cloud]

okay that makes more sense now, I figured it was highest damage without buffs, i hadn't even thought about the buffs

[knotty moon]

It is a bit confusing.

[naive cloud]

nah that makes complete sense, I just hadn't taken into consideration buffs might be part of the calc lol

[frigid agate]

Lmao we can kill ourselves with it? I didn't know that 😄

[naive cloud]

I already knew that the damage from the +228 was already added in, it just seemed weird my damage was literally 1 off the max if I added the left and right together lol

ty for explaining guys ❤️

[tacit panther]

you can kill with kicks anyway :p

[distant jungle]

Nah I'd personally prefer if buffs were accounted for at all it'd be its own number.

Makes little sense to me to just include that in the weapon info.

So the confusion is very understandable, as it's a bit unintuitive.

When people are comparing weapons they're comparing weapons.

[undone minnow]

You can also softlock your friends if you kill their birds with it

[distant jungle]

Lmao.

[naive cloud]

pff

[distant jungle]

Birds shouldn't even have a hitbox wtf.

[undone minnow]

Great thing to discover in a cogah run :)

Not cogah*

But yeah the woodchippers also did it

You could fly your bird into a woodchipper and also softlock yourself

[distant jungle]

Seems like it may be an instant-kill effect for some reason, rather than damage.

And that those can still merc the bird for some reason.

[finite stone]

It's less that it takes buffs into account, and more that it's simply the max you can reach through your virtues

[distant jungle]

And idk why it swaps to an instant-kill when the player is using the organ.

[finite stone]

it ignores pure buffs like fellust or whatever

So in the future, with more mastery and fable points etc, you'll hit those numbers anyway just through your gear

[distant jungle]

You're telling me Seathorn can hit over 500 scaled damage through nothing but raw virtue scaling?

The cap isn't before that?

[finite stone]

This is the formula in case you want to see it

[distant jungle]

Damn.

I think magick caps were somewhere in the 300s or 400s.

For heavies.

[undone minnow]

Probably so you can still kill the enemies running to it in cogah

[distant jungle]

Where it just stopped going up outside of buffs.

Given that buffs bypass the normal cap.

[distant jungle]

I have never once aimed at an enemy tbf.

If they're on the top platform you already cannot hit them without killing yourself.

The radius will cover you wherever on the platform it lands.

And on the ground you might as well just hit the targets and end it.

And you can always just... hop off the controls for 3 seconds.

So that seems like a bit of an non-problem.

[undone minnow]

They spawn so far out it's easy to hit them before they get to the organ

[knotty moon]

I'm fairly sure you can strike the edges without killing yourself, as long as there is a wall between you and the blast.
That said it has been a while since I have done it.

[undone minnow]

No it still murders you unfortunately

[knotty moon]

Uh, I wonder if that is a recent bug, or I am simply misremembering.

[tacit panther]

try blocking ?

[undone minnow]

?

[distant jungle]

This also runs into the 'you can just hop off for 3 seconds and kill them'.

Rather than waste time tryna zap them instead of a target.

[tacit panther]

by blocking like an attack

[undone minnow]

You can't block while using the organ

[tacit panther]

ha, using the organ

i missed that part

[knotty moon]

Could be tested in MP, but I have my doubts.
Maybe with magic weapons.

[distant jungle]

Yeah I just checked Silistavf and the heavy damage caps at 331 while the wiki lists 401, are you sure you're only going by pure scaling? I'm at a point where I can move my virtues up and down and that total does not change because it has hit cap.

It seems odd for Seathorn to be more than a hundred points higher.

Stuff like potions and other virtue boosts bypass the normal scaling cap, as far as I'm aware, which is how it gets so high.

But that will not be possible just with more MR.

Cus it is already at the cap for basic scaling.

[finite stone]

How much are you moving your virtues up to try and exceed 331?

[finite stone]

MR is the same as virtue potions - just more virtue points

[distant jungle]

Shifting my Courage from 30 to 38 while keeping spirit the same.

[true flare]

whats the best way to get gossamer quartz. Im new and trying to craft juniper bow

[distant jungle]

Spent a few liths on it to test.

[naive cloud]

OOF O_O

that pushed it up like 80 points higher than what it was ._.

well this seems wrong :/

[finite stone]

Hmm in that case they may have tweaked attunement damage caps in P14.5, will need to ask people smarter and more numbers focused than I am to look into it a little 😂

[finite stone]

And this is why I reeally don't like liths

[distant jungle]

I've also just never seen a staff remotely approach 500.

So one of them being above it sounded weird to me.

[naive cloud]

yeah things definitely seem to be strange, I've been reforging things multiple times since I'm at the pooint I have everything and lots of mats but the caps seem to definitely be different

[distant jungle]

And yeah Liths really need to be deleted.

It's a damn awful system.

Making them drop more often will not fix this.

[naive cloud]

seathorn IS supposed to be the best staff in the game too, and uh.. it aint reaching 400.. no matter how many points of attunement or reforging I put into it from my virtues, it caps out at what I sent before

also yeah

#DeathToLiths

[distant jungle]

Yeah pretty sure no magick weapons cap out at above the 300s.

But yeah Liths are the bane of any desire to experiment and test and directly lessen the build system as a whole.

[true flare]

whats the best way to get gossamer quartz. Im new and trying to craft juniper bow

[distant jungle]

So we should continue complaining about that until DE rightfully removes them.

[naive cloud]

BRUH

I've hit the cap for Odiac without even reforging it, so I just wasted a joinery lol

[distant jungle]

Depends on if charged attacks still bypass the normal scaling cap.

I know for certain that they used to, I'm unsure if the virtue changes ever changed that.

[naive cloud]

I mean according to that it's the same value xD that seems like an inconsistency

either way, still pretty dumb to be able to hit the scaling cap without even needing to add a joinery, like what a waste

[distant jungle]

Yeah idk why they lists charged instead of just 'heavy'.

Cus I think that's what the second number refers to? Maybe?

Cus it's specifically a fully charged heavy or bow shot that bypassed the cap.

[naive cloud]

also my freakin loadouts are now just my prisms :L

[distant jungle]

And just scaled as high as you had virtues, up to a way higher cap that's unreachable.

[naive cloud]

I didn't see a good way of doing pure builds other than using a loadout so..

[distant jungle]

Two of my loadouts are broken and constantly update to match the armor and cosmetics applied to the other.

[prime tartan]

does the Wraith/Wazzard spawn at any time in the Wastes?

[distant jungle]

It's frustrating enough that I just ain't touching that system.

If it wants to be buggy like that.

[distant jungle]

Agari have a respawn of 30 min after you kill them.

[knotty moon]

Yes, though he as a 30 min cd.

[distant jungle]

Other than that, they should always be there.

[finite stone]

Sidae's Stake, not Galvinar Wastes

[naive cloud]

so, just letting you know, apparently when you go to add a joinery to a weapon, if it doesn't show improved values it means you've already hit the cap for damage for it

so don't waste your joineries if it isn't showing improved crap

yeah no matter what I use that damage isn't increasing

that seems a little stupid ngl, like wtf is the point of having joineries for weapons if they have such easy to hit caps that your scaling from virtues hits them without even needing to add more pips

[knotty moon]

Early game low virutes setups.

Or hybrids.

[naive cloud]

but when you're early game you don't have anywhere near the amount of materials to spend them on weapons you might not even want to use or know if they're good

[knotty moon]

Fair.

[naive cloud]

ngl that just makes joineries pointless if only certain weapons can benefit from them

[knotty moon]

Hybrids still benefit from the system, probably.

[naive cloud]

I was so excited to experiment with stuff now I've levelled everything and now that's kinda just put me off, like what am I even getting out of this lmao

maybe, but my hybrid builds seem to hit the caps just fine even without joineries

I mean hold on, let me try something

[knotty moon]

Paragon allocation? 😛

[finite stone]

Just to check, you were testing the damage dealt to barrels right? Not just looking at the UI etc

[distant jungle]

No? Why would a wiki list what it does to barrels rather than what's on the weapon?

[finite stone]

Because it lists the actual damage dealt

the in-game UI is incorrect

[knotty moon]

Actual damage vs UI.

[distant jungle]

Wouldn't that be different for any target hit?

[finite stone]

Only if they have armour, which is why barrels are used to test the actual damage

[distant jungle]

And the UI just flat out lying for every weapon in the game sounds like a pretty big bug for them to have not fixed for this long.

[finite stone]

(you can also use many mockeries, as long as they're the unarmoured kind, but it's easier with barrels)

[finite stone]

Yep! It's kind of crazy

[naive cloud]

yeah hybrid builds do benefit from them, so that's nice I suppose, that might be the only viable reason though, eh, Idk this feels like it needs work to feel more useful xD considering most people probably won't want to do a hybrid build and just go all out

[distant jungle]

Has it been bug reported that the entire UI damage system is broken?

[finite stone]

The one I don't understand yet though is this one. Umbra if you do a charged attack on a barrel with this purity, does it actually deal 448 damage? (I can't remember if the UI lies upwards as well as downwards, maybe it does)

[naive cloud]

I'll give it a test in a minute, just testing out some other stuff rn and I'll get back to you ❤️

[finite stone]

Yes, please give it a +1 if you can (I will too) https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1487510097797320765

[naive cloud]

@finite stone

so idk what that means, maybe the ui just isn't displaying the right values

[finite stone]

Just as a random example @distant jungle , you can see how my actual charged shot damage is 228, and the UI lies that it's 240 (barrels don't have armour, this has been tested with light attacks etc)

[distant jungle]

Yeah it's a bit ridiculous this hasn't been fixed yet.

[knotty moon]

As far as I know the Charged Attack is simply Attack x2, whatever the calculation are they are not displayed.

[naive cloud]

Light attack

[finite stone]

That's fantastic thank you, good to know the wiki numbers are still up to date as of P14.5! But yeah definitely needs to be a priority for DE to fix

[naive cloud]

which checks out with what drackore said

so yeah the UI is just displaying the wrong values somehow, I wonder if it's adding more scaling than should be possible somehow

[distant jungle]

I mean it's listing far less in some cases.

And more in others.

Idfk what's going on but it ain't right.

It seems to be proportional? I checked my weapons on the wiki cus I've sold things that I have an objectively better version of and my choices still stand.

So it's wrong, but not like per-weapon wrong. Just per grip-type wrong.

And wrong in different ways for different grips.

I don't understand any of this lmao.

[knotty moon]

Average Soulframe experience.

[naive cloud]

you are correct af, light attack matches the value as intended, however the charged heavy is actually better in realtime than in the UI @distant jungle