gameplay-discussion

[halcyon thicket]

I'll show SS when I get home

[spare badge]

Name your mace kryptonite.

A pair of squirrels got trapped in a voltaic snare.

[knotty moon]

Apparently that's a feature.

[spare badge]

Hey, I hate those things, so good on our squirrel buddies. I charmed them after taking out the turret and baddies. One was uncommon, one was common.

[undone prawn]

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[young copper]

Does anyone know where I can get scrap iron from? I've got a lot of scrap steel and brass but very little scrap iron

[smoky crater]

sword weapon racks ain't it?

[young copper]

I've only found polearm wracks

[smoky crater]

dermak has a lot of the sword ones

[young copper]

Oh god, I searched everything for scrap iron and nothing and when I looked up sword racks it said it 😅

Thank you anyway

[smoky crater]

[languid flame]

What are the mushrooms used for again? Im forgetting what they are called and I cant find them on the wiki

[knotty moon]

There are various types, generally though, they all have a use in some craft or another.

[smoky crater]

if talkin about the Agaric mushrooms those are used to brew the Cogah elixirs

[languid flame]

Not the agaric. Im thinking about the toe of ode and etc

[smoky crater]

a

yeah like Dexell said, mostly just used for some kind of a craft/brew like color palettes or some other elixirs

[languid flame]

I was trying to find jaden drop but I couldn't find it in for the life of me but now im better now

[spare badge]

Birdie's bog.

[placid condor]

Where did it drop from?

[placid condor]

Everytime I see this emoji/emote I swear its just avakot vomiting.

[smoky crater]

as the creator of said emote i take offense to that

[placid condor]

It was my first thought and I cant unsee it. To be fair, I like it as a reaction idea.

It's head cannon for me unfortunately and I cannot change that lol

[dapper sigil]

do i need to replay waste bear fable twice in order to get wazzard of waste logbook entry?!

[knotty moon]

You can log out before finishing the fight to restart it.

[dapper sigil]

thats upsetting

thanks tho

[knotty moon]

Same with Styne in Orengall's.

[dapper sigil]

well...

let me go ahead and start qq

[primal stump]

i guess that would confirm 8 tempers isn't intended

[knotty moon]

To be fair the UI does stretch to allow another row, it just doesn't get justified left.

[upbeat basin]

cant do anything with that((reloging 3 times but anyway...someojne meet this issue?

as i understand i should take this sword

[knotty moon]

Didn't try in Tormented Stag, but I did notice the interaction wasn't working during a random dungeon.
I think that objective is optional, so you should be able to skip it and continue to the end of the dungeon.

Might want to post it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 anyway.

[upbeat basin]

thx i will check video guide what i should do next

ah i should just leave

[knotty moon]

I got put in prison.

[smoky crater]

damn.. if only the last 4 was a 0

[grim falcon]

are the torrent builds for orengall still viable in preludes 14+ or nah

not sure how to balance my virute points for it

[smoky crater]

i mean... if they work for you? yes they're viable

awww thas cute

[upbeat basin]

Tormented stag so awesome - last battle with this song....why i purge this stag so fast(((

[smoky crater]

-# psst. the song is on spotify and youtube too

[upbeat basin]

gimme the name!!!

[knotty moon]

Rivers of Dendria.

[upbeat basin]

thx

[knotty moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5OeHbAOSMM

[lime granite]

any1 else having issues when selling more than one weapon in nighthold? my game freezes after selling more than 2-3

[copper vine]

what if, instead of rng weapon drop, we make it a constant drop, and the rng is another type of upgrade that we can rng earn from some activities where we catch insects, that they are divided same way as combat arts

[knotty moon]

Might want to elaborate that and make a post here: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

[tropic charm]

reminder: Steve has said that we are supposed to be able to scrap duplicates and then craft what we want with the rolls we want, we basically have half the system

[ruby ocean]

me with mate (not gay)

[prisma iron]

I would like it more if it was gay.

[halcyon thicket]

Funny enough it was cogah gawth

7 and 8 tempers

By that time overworld level was around 65-70

[vestal pelican]

anyone else gets stuck in loading screen while trying to sell maces?

from inventory

[languid flame]

I hope they keep crafting times under 20 hours

[knotty moon]

Pacts are 23 hours iirc.

[languid flame]

I forgot they are i hope that is the longest they'll go. I hate waiting 2 days for a frame in WF to finish

[knotty moon]

At least we don't have the staggered crafting.

[placid condor]

Interesting. Appreciate it!

[halcyon thicket]

I was gonna go for high level cogah but i got a bug and just completely discouraged me to test

So if anyone wants to do lvl100+ cogah keep an eye out for maces and gawth

They might drop max tempers maces

[finite stone]

I cant find them on the wiki

Just out of curiosity when you were looking for these did you try the https://wiki.avakot.org/Mushroom page at all? We're trying to create useful disambiguation pages so that even if someone can't remember which specific one of Soulframe's many mushrooms they're looking for, for example, this page should help direct you to where you're going (in this case it'd be the ingredients link!) - I hope these pages are useful but if not we can try and improve them

[tropic charm]

is there a way to tell which maces are new?

[knotty moon]

Not that I know.

[finite stone]

Any other confirmed moonsteel orsts since the reddit one so far?

[primal stump]

i mean, we all get them used, so none of them are new

[tropic charm]

i mean since last time i checked inventory

[finite stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/correct-futurama--k01KRKQVM3AHX8J6SRBJP8732P1

[halcyon thicket]

It's always the last one

Newest is last

[shadow scroll]

is spirit still supposed to reduce cooldowns?

[spare badge]

Hmm... Anyone else having Soulframe causing a hard lockup?

[coarse sedge]

Has there been any mention of Ichor tainted waters becoming poisonous in the future? I feel like i should be taking some kinda status effect whenever i'm neck deep in the stuff.

I just kinda give myself an imaginary poison management by using the Elderbloom on Oscelda everytime i step on it. Or get coated in it by an enemy.

[prisma iron]

Once, yesterday, but it was just game. Not my computer. I was able to just exit the game and it was fine.

[spare badge]

I've had twice today, it locked up my computer. Had to restart. If it happens again, I'm filing a support ticket on it.

[smoky crater]

Have yall tried verifying the download cache?

[upper radish]

im getting 500 standing for tier 3 bounties is that really how slow the progression is?

[smoky crater]

Higher level enemy tales will yield more

[ancient estuary]

hey are the respecing thingies for my courage spirit and grace replenishable?

[smoky crater]

If the tale ends in a dungeon, it'll be double what you'd normally get on top

[smoky crater]

You can get them from agari, sinecure officers and sieges

[ancient estuary]

oh Wagii, I saw you comment on some feedback posts about a picture mode saying it was announced/ they had plans for it would you also happen to know roughlyu when. Because the first post I saw was in january

[smoky crater]

We dont know when but it's not too far off most likely iirc

[tropic charm]

yes but as of rn it's pretty low % so try to be mindful

you can use the different loadouts to save different virtue presets

[smoky crater]

You can also use loadouts for different virtue ratios since the liths will only change it in that one loadout or something like that

[upper radish]

ik there are high level areas of the map but is there a way to tell an areas level by looking at the map

[smoky crater]

Generally the higher towards northeast or southeast you go the higher the enemy level will be

[tropic charm]

when u r selecting the tale it will tell u the lvl range

[smoky crater]

Northeast having the highest

[smoky crater]

This too yeah

[ancient estuary]

oh I see, thanks I am sitll rather new to the game

[nova meteor]

can anyone help explain about weapon dmg focusing on one virtue or duo virtue. which is better? im using purity. so i should make it a spirit weapon or a max the courage?

[smoky crater]

It was a very recent change too so you gooood

[ancient estuary]

did they do away with the virtues preselect like the ones from tether/oscilia

[tropic charm]

imma be honest, you got unlucky with starting right after they introduced virtue liths

[smoky crater]

Pure courage will let you focus on courage only but having 2 virtue types will let you be more versatile with it

[tropic charm]

unironically anti new player system

[ancient estuary]

it's very confusing ngl especially after I was using the other system yesterday

or the day before

[upper radish]

for those of you wanting to do more experimenting, there is a bug allowing you to respec without using the consumable. by allocating your points, switching to another loadout and hitting revert. it will keep your points allocated on the original loadout

[smoky crater]

[nova meteor]

so it depends? easy or versatile?. what about interms of dmg?

[ancient estuary]

and is there player to player trading?

I haven't done much or a lot in the game, I am just an hour after unlocking fast travel but the premium currency doesn't seem to be used for much other then skipping progression and fashion

[upper radish]

unlocks storage slots as well. your capacity for weapons and armor is limited

[ancient estuary]

ah I see

[visual radish]

Honestly hope they revert armor using slots

[upper radish]

im pretty sure they have mentioned player trading before but it is not in the game atm

[dapper sigil]

@knotty moon do i need to logout of the styne battle directly after orengall kills him? i managed to get one smite but it seemed to have not counted?

[ancient estuary]

oh ye speaking of weapons, How do I get rid of a few. I have like 3 of the ortos hammers or whatever they're called becuse enemies drop them

[tiny kernel]

anyone know a tier party compagnion app to track equipment stuff on pc?

[native bramble]

is it worth it ?

[upper radish]

honestly hoping they give armor back leveling capabilities bc for me it feels annoying for me to have to level up just a weapon. it'd feel a lot better imo if i was leveling a whole kit while grinding

[visual radish]

Armor never had levelling

Hell armor didnt even have stats until a few updates ago

[upper radish]

okay, i couldn't remember if that was something that was changed or reverted since i played in like p7, all i know is it feels weird now for armor to not have a leveling system

but i assume they're probably trying to nail down how weapon runes/upgrades and all that generally work before figuring out how armor will play into it all

[knotty moon]

As far as I know, as long as you don't talk to Orengall the fight should reset.
Personally I logged out directly after the Smite, while Orengall was still munching.

[dusty hare]

Spirit feels kinda weak

[scenic solar]

in terms of damage or defense? if it's defense, unfortunately that's intentional >_>

[dusty hare]

i guess offensively

[visual radish]

Never had any problem with staves and gauntlets

[opal fable]

are those mine things that spawn a wall around you new at the entrances of sieges?

i got trapped in one twice already and its kinnda annoying

[tropic charm]

are mace rarities/temper amount tied to levels or nah?

[opal fable]

people told me no, but i don't know if anyone knows for sure

[tropic charm]

well if someone has gotten a 5+ temper mace from a lvl 20 enemy it'd certainly prove it

[opal fable]

well i have that

but i have gotten 104 maces, and anything above officer is roughly ~3% chance

[scenic solar]

Yes and no?

Got military with 3 but not gotten any with 4, gotten officer with 2 but not 1

[tropic charm]

yoooooo

[opal fable]

i just drank my cogah potion 30 sec ago, what timing

[tropic charm]

party size increased

[visual radish]

Unexpected

[sinful scarab]

DE going wyld with p14-ish

[dusty hare]

good, i hate that 3 is the new default for everything

[tropic charm]

well the triune does have significance in soulframe

[visual radish]

Yeah it kinda made sense at least

[tropic charm]

-_-

[visual radish]

But oh well certainly wont complain lol (i dont even play with others to begin with)

[opal fable]

ouch

i wonder what the point of that is, since good ones are so rare already

[trail sierra]

I havent found one yet

[sinful scarab]

3 players wasn’t balanced to begin with, how could we fix that?, BY ADDING A FOURTH PLAYER!

-# /s

[opal fable]

i like 4 players, and balanced was already hopeless with 3

[dapper sigil]

why are they reducing orst drop rate with how many different variants there are

illogical

[scenic solar]

just got my first Stock Orst-III from Gawyn

[opal fable]

at least they said slightly, so it might not be that bad

[scenic solar]

out of 19 so far

[opal fable]

wait? actually stock?

[scenic solar]

Cool... they need to learn to give percentages

[opal fable]

cna you share a pic

[scenic solar]

nope.

63, 126, 74, 1/50

[opal fable]

i have never seen stock rarity, military is my lowest

my first run i got 5 maces from 10 mace elites, so not that bad

[distant jungle]

I do hope they haven't just thrown out their 'we're making this purposefully different from WF' statements.

Considering 3 was already pushing balance as is and now 4 players is gonna invalidate it no matter what you do.

The whole reason I was interested in SF was because of those firm statements about intending to make SF some minimum amount of challenging and focusing on there always being risk.

Hell even the amount of wolves Orengall was initially capped to was outright stated to be based on the max amount of players.

Not only have they lifted that amount from 2 to 4 wolves, but now also added a 4th player.

[ruby ocean]

Did they say anything about pull smite fix?

[distant jungle]

That, to me, heavily suggests that they've just given up on keeping this balanced.

Cus this is already sliding towards what happened to WF.

Though this is still temporarily balanced by the fact that Orengall can't be played in MP lol.

[sweet cypress]

is it just me or everytime theres a hotfix, the game takes forever to update even tho my network works fine

[vagrant kayak]

Sadly I think that is a you thing

[opal fable]

updated fine for me

[vagrant kayak]

Ok to be fair it was always 4 wolves with the bug, and it's not like they do major damage

[distant jungle]

I think you can understand why I am concerned about the fact that they had a bug that they have now made gameplay.

Considering the history of this very action.

[vagrant kayak]

The history where that's been consistently beneficial for their games? 😄

[distant jungle]

And I've seen Wolves hit level 30s for about half of their HP, their AI is just inconsistent.

[distant jungle]

Arguable, considering it was the first act in a series of updates that entirely reworked how WF was played.

And was what made me fall out of it, actually.

[vagrant kayak]

I mean, for the better

[distant jungle]

For the different.

It just turned into a different game.

A game that would be directly against what they have said many times is the focus of SF.

The things about it not being intended to slide into a power fantasy and the assurance that strategy and challenge are a focus.

[vagrant kayak]

I don't really think going from 2 wolves to 4 makes it less of a slow paced game

[distant jungle]

I am saying it is reminiscent of something they have done that eventually directly lead to WF's huge shift.

So it gives weird vibes for me.

Cus I don't want that same shift happening here.

They seem to be taking big steps to loosen their current reigns on balance.

And idk if I like where that can easily lead.

[lethal narwhal]

I have ran the 2 player dungeon since the hotfix three times, just running to the end to kill the bannerets.
2 Stock from regular run
1 Stock from Cogah

Before the hotfix I had never even received a stock lol

[distant jungle]

Ah, so with the lowered drop they also lowered the rarity possible too.

Double whammy for making the grind even longer.

[scenic solar]

Got 1 stock from Gawyn post hotfix, going to run another in a few minutes

[opal fable]

why do you run th bannerets? is this quick

[scenic solar]

the bannerets have the maces, so they should be dropping them

[opal fable]

i have just been farming the elites outside the south castle, they seems to have ~35% drop rate

[lethal narwhal]

Well maybe I should have been more specific, the sinecure officers in the dungeon. Because then I can run them in cogah without having to waste a potion every relog

[opal fable]

oh if i do it in cogah i just reset them by entering and exiting the dungeon right outside the castle

[lethal narwhal]

ah I see, well I will try that next if I keep getting stock

which I just did again.. lol

Please post if you get anything other than stock though after the update, and what you did please

[opal fable]

ive gotten like 9 maces since hotfix all military and above

[lethal narwhal]

in cogah farming the castle run right?

[opal fable]

currently just castle runs no cogah

[distant jungle]

Cogah isn't necessary, as both it and level do not affect drops.

[opal fable]

not that i don't believe this, but what is the source for this

because it seems to be ~3% to get anything higher than officer, and if cogah bumped it to ~4% or something that would be tricky to find out

[lethal narwhal]

all that we know is that the higher level the enemy is, the better the reward per steve during the stream. But he could have just gotten confused between the rank of the unit not level

[distant jungle]

People have done a bunch of level climbing in Cogah and have noticed no difference. Probably not a huge sample size, but the difference is at the very least incredibly small as to not be observed.

Especially when there's no noticeable difference between base level and Cogah 100+.

[halcyon thicket]

Mhm

Some Chinese guy got a legendary from a level 40 cogah sinecure officer

[atomic lynx]

P1: tethrin
P2: bravada
P3: howl
P4: bestone

let the big numbers grow bigger

[halcyon thicket]

Around that level

[lethal narwhal]

Just killed gawth in cogah and got stock again. So I would assume cogah is meaningless yeah

[scenic solar]

Well Orst-III farming just got a lot more stupid

[opal fable]

because i got my 2 nobles and 1 sovereign both in cogah, which ofc could mean nothing

[scenic solar]

They changed the weights of the drop chances (without reporting them) 2 Stocks back to pack, got no stocks prior to the hotfix

[opal fable]

where are you farming

[scenic solar]

before or after the hotfix

[opal fable]

oh my good drops were wayyy before hotfix

[scenic solar]

Gawyn, farming him exclusively, also tracking lith drops

[opal fable]

that might just be bugged then

i have gotten 11 maces after hotfix, none stock

[lethal narwhal]

This is literally my whole point earlier today, I wish they would actually communicate changes like this.

[opal fable]

do we know what the drop rate was pre hotfix? i only started tracking after hotfix

[scenic solar]

I've got all of mine still

[tropic charm]

6 officer, 0 stock, rest are military

only 2 with 4 tempers, rest are 3 and lower

[scenic solar]

18 drops prior to the hotfix, 3/18 were officer, 15/18 military. since the hotfix, 2/2 stock

[opal fable]

it sounds like dungeon bannerets might have bugged drops

[tropic charm]

i've gotten like ~8 since hotfix, only 1 was officer

[opal fable]

mace elites outside have not dropped stock for me

[scenic solar]

Gawth is overworld

[tropic charm]

ye all of mine are overworld

[opal fable]

hmm, maybe just bannerets then

also soulframe is very fun current patch, 50% running around, 45% entering values into spreadsheet and 5% playing the game

[tropic charm]

gathanan 1.0 flashbacks

[scenic solar]

RNG, especially for gear, should NEVER be a thing in games

[tropic charm]

time to summon the guy that had to run 600 glade tales to get it

[past drift]

To be fair it was already a pretty high drop chance. I had like 8 of them in an hour.

[past drift]

I like it

[opal fable]

i mean, you are gonna need to farm hundreds upon hundreds

[scenic solar]

DE, why should my gear be inferior to someone who got a 6-7 Temper Legendary of the exact same weapon, in 5 runs?

[past drift]

Depends how resource demanding the melting down system is

[opal fable]

fair, but as it is right now its kinda rough

[past drift]

You will be able to manually build your gear up without relying on RNG

[distant jungle]

We don't know that yet.

[scenic solar]

cool, needs to be in NOW so we can test it

[distant jungle]

We do not know to what extent it will be.

[scenic solar]

to make sure the system ACTUALLY works

[distant jungle]

They have talked of transfering tempers. Nothing was said about increasing the max amount.

[past drift]

Yeah I don't know why they didn't put the manual part in this preview because its making everyone freak out in the meantime lol

[distant jungle]

So you may still need to hard roll a legendary 8 tempers.

To ever have the max amount.

[knotty moon]

And if you can swap out those you don't like is also up in the air.

[distant jungle]

And only then customize what those tempers are.

[tropic charm]

if it's weapon specific i doubt you need more than 20

if scraping weapons goes into a universal resource pool then i'd say you prob will need 30-50 for a god roll

[opal fable]

i hope we can just upgrade them to max crafting tier and make them perfect with enough resources

[distant jungle]

Yeah, it may very well be 'take a snapshot of this temper combo to override another temper combo with it'.

We have no indication that it'll allow individual replacement.

A lot of people are making assumptions that it'll be some gold mine that'll fix everything.

[past drift]

I have faith that they'll figure out something good. The past several years of warframe have very specifically put in provisions to stop people from getting screwed over by RNG so they obviously think about it a lot.

[opal fable]

i really really hope it won't end up like rivens

[scenic solar]

We need to be able to upgrade them to legendary (and/or moonsteel, which whatever is the absolute top) then add ALL the tempers (unless there's more than possible slots, but currently seems like there isn't)

[knotty moon]

Moonsteel is cosmetic, separate from the Craftwork rank.

[past drift]

That would be ideal yeah. I don't mind dumping resources into something to max it out

[scenic solar]

what does it do?

because none i've gotten have it

[distant jungle]

It adds a very slight sparkle to the weapon.

Honestly hard to see unless you really stare.

[knotty moon]

Silver leaves in the tooltip instead of the normal ones, and slightly shiny model, the tooltip thinghy can only be seen from the Arsenal.

[distant jungle]

And it'll be marked with a moonsteel icon on the UI window.

[past drift]

I like the idea of it being subtle tbh

[lethal narwhal]

2 castle runs, 9 regular bannerets and no drop lol

[halcyon thicket]

Sièges? They don't drop the mace

[distant jungle]

Regular bannerets? Do you mean heavy enemies?

Bannerets are specifically boss enemies.

[lethal narwhal]

no not sieges, the castle run that people posted, the south castle where you can kill mace enemies

[distant jungle]

I think they've settled on calling them knights actually.

[opal fable]

im currently 15 drops out of 44 enemies post hotfix

[knotty moon]

Officers most likely, though those are the non Banneret bosses.

[halcyon thicket]

Mace knights have rng for the drop

They don't always drop it for me

[knotty moon]

Always was RNG.

[halcyon thicket]

No the bannerets are guaranteed to drop the mace

[lethal narwhal]

I am just trying to see if it's better to farm the end of dungeon sinecure officer or mace knights near the south castle basically

[halcyon thicket]

Gawth, sinecure officer etc

Sinecure officer 100%

And do it in cogah

[knotty moon]

I'm fairly sure I got no drops from an Officer at least once.

[lethal narwhal]

I was farming the 2p dungeon northeast and I got stock 4 times post hotfix in cogah from the sinecure officer.

Never had received a stock at all pre-hotfix

[halcyon thicket]

Sure u didn't have max capacity?

Yeah they added stock variant i got it twice now. Thank God I'm done w the farm already

[knotty moon]

Almost certain, I regularly clean up the inventory.

[distant jungle]

They'd still drop.

You just wouldn't be able to pick it up.

[past drift]

You've killed 44 bannerets in the past hour???

[opal fable]

no, mace elites

[distant jungle]

Yeah just knights.

And there are areas with a lot of them.

[past drift]

Where lol

[knotty moon]

Southern castle is full of them.

[opal fable]

there are usually between 8-12 around the castle

[past drift]

Sig ty

[halcyon thicket]

I mean my dungeon runs are 3-4 mins on average

[lethal narwhal]

what's your route?

[scenic solar]

Why? People are getting stock on Cogah as well

[opal fable]

i check the big bridge and the non implemented siege camp, and then a few of the patrol spots and random camps

[distant jungle]

I have not experienced this.

I have fought both bannerets and gawth and had instances of no drop.

[halcyon thicket]

Really? Huh

[lethal narwhal]

Yeah same here

[distant jungle]

Several times in a row even, I gave up on camping Gawth cus of the low rate.

[halcyon thicket]

Once i didn't get it from gawth, only to réalisé i had hit the capacity limit

[distant jungle]

4 kills, no mace, I moved to rotating the south castle.

[scenic solar]

Gawth has been guaranteed for me

[halcyon thicket]

I got my 2 legendaries from cogah gawth lol

[lethal narwhal]

okay now I got 2 maces from mace knights south castle and they are both military

[scenic solar]

are you sure you're not capped on inventory slots?

[opal fable]

bannerets are 100% bugged im pretty sure

[distant jungle]

I bought until I was at the 300 cap.

[opal fable]

first one i run into randomly and it dropped a stock, first stock for me

[knotty moon]

There is a cap?

[opal fable]

yeah 300, it wont let you buy more space

[vital sable]

oh wow, it can actually spawn with 0 lol

[distant jungle]

Yeah those started dropping this patch, so rates on the drop table have been silently adjusted downwards.

[tropic charm]

i have a feeling stock isn't supposed to be obtainable

[distant jungle]

I mean, why else would it exist?

You can't fragment craft this.

[opal fable]

i mean, i don't mind

[distant jungle]

If it's not obtainable via drop, then it'd be impossible to obtain.

[opal fable]

literally 75% of my drops have been military, it makes sense for there to be a lower bracket

[tropic charm]

cause at some point they will be craftable, so stock would be the minimum investment version

[distant jungle]

Will they?

The point of this system is to reduce crafts, I heard only important weapons will remain fragment crafted.

[tropic charm]

yes, Steve confirmed on the pre p14.5 stream

u will be able to craft your own weapon with the craftwork/tempers of your choice by melting down duplicates

in the future

[vestal pelican]

what are the best tempers to have on mace?

[knotty moon]

Breakneck - Heavy Attacks charge more quickly.
Fleet Fling - Increased Throw Speed.
Full Force - Increased Damage and Stagger during Heavy Attacks. (+20 Heavy Attack damage, Stagger NOT counted in stat display)
Galvanic Strike - Adds Voltaic damage to weapon, staggering enemies in area of effect once hit. (+1 damage)
Rejoinder - Increased Damage and Stagger during dodge attacks. NOT counted in stat display
Sullying Force - Increased chance of Smite. (+3% Smite)
Swooning Blow - Increased Stagger while attacking. (+12 Stagger)
Venger - Increased Riposte Damage. NOT counted in stat display```
Personally I would always want Breakneck, Full Force, Galvanic Strike, and Sullying Force.
Rejoinder and Swooning Blow would be nice, but I can live without.

[lethal narwhal]

So just ran another dungeon by the south castle and killed a few sinecure officers, only have gotten stock. I think they are bugged?

Overworld mace knights seem like they give higher rarity

[tropic charm]

stuff that affects everything (galv damage, smite, stagger) then stuff that affects heavy attacks (faster charge, more stagger/damage)

that's at least what im going for

[vestal pelican]

ohh sick response!! thanks alot @tropic charm and @knotty moon

[vital sable]

if only i had the smite one in here man

[tropic charm]

strictly speaking, the best mace (highest rarity we've seen) would have have 8 tempers so you'd only be missing 1 temper

worst temper is probably throw speed so god roll would be missing that

[potent radish]

Is farming the mace in cogah better than the regular?

[opal fable]

we don't know exactly, but probably not

if there is a difference its extremely small

[tropic charm]

unless DE confirms it we can't really know

[knotty moon]

I wonder if that is still true with H2.

[tropic charm]

it's one of those things that u can't really prove, but u can disprove (if someone got a high rarity mace from castle farm for example)

[lethal narwhal]

H2 has seemingly completely changed the drop rate and the rarity from what I can tell

[knotty moon]

Not even then, since RNG is RNG.

[tropic charm]

dungeon maces are seemingly bugged

castle farm is noticeably worse but still decent

[lethal narwhal]

Has anyone gotten anything higher than stock from a sinecure officer in a dungeon? post hotfix 2

[opal fable]

ive gotten exactly 2 stocks so far, both from bannerets

[zenith knoll]

throw speed is actually fun if only for the memes

the real 100% useless one would be bounding swipe imo

[lethal narwhal]

have you gotten anything higher than military farming the south castle? I have gotten 10 maces so far, all military

[frank kettle]

hello all , How can I download the game ^^

[opal fable]

ive gotten a couple of officer

[zenith knoll]

cogah time for me

[opal fable]

i got 2 officers out of the last 22 maces, which is far below expected and i got more military than expected

[smoky crater]

pinned messages have info on how to get access

[scenic solar]

alright, out of loadout slots, do i buy more or start clearing out Orst-IIIs?

[smoky crater]

buy orst-III's and start clearing loadout slots yes?

[tropic charm]

galvanic damage + rat totem is pretty neat

[lament nacelle]

the damage to others?

[tropic charm]

ye

[lament nacelle]

yeeeee i love how the secondary damage also gets an aoe

[tropic charm]

i wonder if u also get the +dmg/stagger to heavy if the aoe also gets affected

wrong spawn game 😭

[lethal narwhal]

yep also just got an officer on the overworld mace knights

[smoky crater]

oh btw you can now get into Kearnhold just by using the Orengall first ability. no need to do /unstuck shenanigans

[scenic solar]

sorry, you were closer to that one by 3 inches

[scenic solar]

Can we get motes for in there?

[smoky crater]

nnnnope

[lethal narwhal]

I am happy this change happened, gets more more excited for Tennocon! (and also after what steve accidently leaked during the 14.5 stream when they showed their background build push notes)

[tropic charm]

wait what was shown 👀

[lethal narwhal]

basically they are working on || The "Mother Castle" (internal name for Castle Kearnhold) and then they are actively working on the Sky Citadel as well||

[tropic charm]

damn

[lethal narwhal]

Here it is so you can read for yourself

[visual radish]

Both things we knew already

Sky castle concept was shown in a devstream
And castle kearnhold was shown during the tennocon trailer

[lethal narwhal]

Yep, I agree we already knew but it's just a small insight of what exact stage they are on it atm

[knotty moon]

Uh, they fixed Hydor second phase.

[lethal narwhal]

ah yes lol

Okay second Cogah Sinecure Gawth also gave me stock

[tropic charm]

someone in game got a legendary mace from cogah lvl 81

[opal fable]

has anyone gotten sovereign or legendary from not cogah?

[tropic charm]

god roll? (for 4 temper)

[lethal narwhal]

and the best way to raise level is just farming cogah agari enemies and doing sieges right?

[tropic charm]

yes

[knotty moon]

If that Swooning Blow was Galvanic, yes.

[tropic charm]

also 4 players supposedly raises lvl faster

[opal fable]

sieges? how much do they raise cogah by?

[knotty moon]

Mirifuir by about 10 levels.

[lethal narwhal]

but entering a dungeon after raising them resets everything right?

[opal fable]

i might push to 100 tomorrow and farm for a few hours

[lavish smelt]

+1

anyone know if the craftwork/moonsteel version is corelated with the level of the mace holder?

[lethal narwhal]

that's what we are trying to figure out, seems like everything changed since hotfix 2

[tropic charm]

we can't really confirm it

[knotty moon]

In theory yes, it doesn't seem to work though, but most test were done before the latest hotfix.

[tropic charm]

unless DE says something

[knotty moon]

Steve did mention it in the stream.

[tropic charm]

could be referring to craftwork lvl rather than enemy lvl

or just accidental misinformation

wouldn't be the first time

[knotty moon]

I don't remember the words exactly, but I do think he said "higher leveled enemies".

[knotty moon]

Fair.

[scenic solar]

4 stocks from Gawth in a row..

think they broke it in the wrong direction

[opal fable]

very weird how normal elites don't seem to drop stock at all

[drifting crescent]

How do I find more fables and sparrows quests?

[opal fable]

talk with the world trees

[drifting crescent]

Oh?

[opal fable]

they always have a couple of quests for you, and you can reset the trees by going into a dungeon or relogging

[knotty moon]

Uh, were the water reflections always there?

[lethal narwhal]

a new crypt exit?

[knotty moon]

Where?

[lethal narwhal]

north

[opal fable]

anyone else tracking normal mace elite drop rate?

my drop rates have collapsed with more data, and it seems quite a bit worse than it used to be

[mild harness]

Hi guys i need a game invitation, there is no streams with drops enabled right now

[tropic charm]

seemingly 35%

[opal fable]

im at 27% with 135 kills

[lavish smelt]

first time seeing 2 bannerets in a t3 undercity quest (both were stock of course)

[opal fable]

and idk what it was before hotfix, but it wasnt ~25%

[lethal narwhal]

Do organs raise world level too?

[lavish smelt]

before the hotfix i had 0% stock drop rate at like 70 maces

[lethal narwhal]

yep same here lol

[brave hatch]

Is noble the highest craftwork?

[opal fable]

has anyone gotten a stock from a normal mace elite and not a golden bannerat style one

[lethal narwhal]

Legendary is, in between Noble and Legendary is Sovereign

[opal fable]

2 more above yeah

[potent radish]

With the new update, where and how should i farm for higher quality maces?

[tropic charm]

amaceing

[opal fable]

ive got almost 140 maces in my inventory

[brave hatch]

thanks @lethal narwhal @opal fable

[opal fable]

pls de i want more slots

[brave hatch]

Can Sovereign and Legendary be droped on normal mode?

[lethal narwhal]

they used to, but I haven't found one yet. I am currently raising my world level to 100 and farming in cogah instead of now to test

[opal fable]

it probably doesn't hurt to just do cogah just in case

[elfin blaze]

How do mace rarities work? Is it based on enemy level or

[lethal narwhal]

My two sovereigns

[elfin blaze]

Also has anyone's weapons been getting blank tempers on them

[opal fable]

how many maces have you farmed in total?

[lethal narwhal]

I haven't counted since I have been deleting them all that aren't Sovereign or higher 😅 but I would assume at least 100+

[tropic charm]

got my first stock

overworld banneret

[opal fable]

i only have gotten 2 nobles and 1 sovereign

[lethal narwhal]

I have gotten 3 sovereigns, 1 noble lol

left is my first sovereign, and right is my noble

[potent radish]

does going into dungeons still reset the enemies level in cogah?

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[opal fable]

this is my one and only sovereign

[tropic charm]

alright gonna do 1 final castle run

pray that i get the first legendary from a lvl 20 enemy

or just anything higher than officer pls

[opal fable]

dont worry, its just a cool 2-3% chance

[tropic charm]

considering how many i've gotten, it's due

cause that's exactly how statistics work

gambler's fallacy is a lie created by the government

[drifting crescent]

I feel dumb but I can't find verminia in the nightfold?

[dusty hare]

How do you get beyond officer?

[opal fable]

gamble correctly

[lethal narwhal]

the entrance gates have added ramps and fortifications this hotfix, neat!

Overworld sinecure officer right there during cogah lvl 65 dropped stock lol

[opal fable]

33 maces out of 132 enemies

drop rate is rough

[slim bramble]

where is that?

[slim bramble]

thanks

[zenith knoll]

did anyone manage to drop a stock mace specifically in cogah?

[lethal narwhal]

yes all my maces in cogah have been stock

[zenith knoll]

hm

[lethal narwhal]

I haven't farmed the south castle with a higher level in cogah yet, still raising it currently

[zenith knoll]

mine are all at least military so i was thinking maybe quality does increase the higher the enemy level

[lethal narwhal]

just sinecure officers and sinecure gawth in cogah are all stock for me at least

[lethal narwhal]

okay just got an Officer from Sinecure Gawth at level 75 cogah, first non stock since hotfix

[distant jungle]

Many have gotten non-stocks just from random knights near the south castle.

Again, it's been tested, and results say that cogah and level have no effect.

[opal fable]

im not even sure those can drop stock

[lethal narwhal]

right I have gotten military-officer down there

[opal fable]

i have turned on cogah for the last hour and noticed a huge uptick in officer rating drops

[lethal narwhal]

but Stock has only dropped for me from Gawth, until just now

[distant jungle]

Though bannerets dropping so much stock does seem like it may be indicative of something wrong, yeh.

Cus that is a very big string of horrendous luck otherwise.

[lethal narwhal]

well H1 I had never received a stock lol so definitely something wrong for sure

[distant jungle]

You could've have even climbed to that high of a level in an hour tho.

Unless you were teleporting literally everywhere.

Which I suppose is possible.

And simply activating Cogah itself has no effects on drop tables. The only things Cogah does is increase enemy level with Agari kills and swap their rune drops. That and give you more infamy from sieges, which was added later.

It has no direct effect on any drop table in the game outside of that.

[opal fable]

i would like to know if anyone had anything noble+ drop not in cogah

[lethal narwhal]

You keep saying that, but I already have noticed a direct affect of increasing level in cogah being tied to a higher drop in rarity

[subtle salmon]

what's the deal with having so many short blades but the rune appearing to be nonexistent even after grinding to mastery level 11 all over..

[lethal narwhal]

H2 definitely changed drop rates and rarity rates

And cogah level might have an affect now

[opal fable]

at the end of the day its just people guessing about ~2-3% differences, which are gonna be hard to get a feel for

[distant jungle]

Yes, both a noble and a sovereign on level 15-odd enemies near the castle.

In my own inventory.

[zenith knoll]

i had a sovereign cogah drop pre-hotfix

[distant jungle]

Non-Cogah.

Sovereign being the tier above Noble.

[zenith knoll]

yes

[distant jungle]

The noble is the first one I started swinging around to level it.

I actually didn't need to farm all that much for them yet, in the grand scheme.

[opal fable]

just got a noble, in cogah tho

[distant jungle]

Only filled 3 inventory rows so like, 25-ish.

[opal fable]

so for me anything above officer is now at a crisp 2.8%

[subtle salmon]

three "the brawn" gold rabbit totems in a row. all i get of them.

[agile crane]

what it do, im stuck on a level, told to hold q and left click on this ghosts thing nothing happens, now i am told in game chat to ignore and use bird to leave. i cant leave cause bord keep bringing me back to do the "q" thing. bonding or whatever.

sooo now i just do not know how to leave this dungeon thing. when i tap the bird quest is "now take to the skies" anyone can help here/.

[opal fable]

is there a revive stone near you? you can use those to teleport back

[agile crane]

what is that ....?

[opal fable]

those rocks that glow when you walk near them, you respawn at them if you die

or you could just die and respawn

[agile crane]

im to good, have not died yet. (ig XD) i gues ill look for glowing rocks..... so ijjust leave withouth completing the quest then....?

[upper osprey]

bugged jotar

he is trying a lot to get up on the stairs but cant find out how

[opal fable]

don't blame the man, rough day in the undercity

[agile crane]

made it out here i think, ill update in amoment.

yea im out !

[warped widget]

strange

[upper osprey]

strange, my soul sight is.. bugged

jotar now is just a red light trying to walk in the undercity

[agile crane]

yo when we gettign hover boards, double jump , slide like warframe...?

[upper osprey]

we'll get a wolf, and nothing else i guess, soulframe is a very different game lol

[drifting crescent]

What's everyone's favorite armor set?

[drifting crescent]

We might get other creatures

[agile crane]

you telling me , we are not going to get mods that have a 0.0004 % chance of dropping?

what even the point of this game then

[blissful ether]

Never say never. Who knows, maybe we'll get brooms to fly on /joking

[drifting crescent]

You mean we won't have to wait 3 weeks for a 0.00001% chance of the mod we need?

[lethal narwhal]

okay so, level 87 cogah sinecure gawth also dropped an Officer rarity mace

[upper osprey]

haha u say the omni ammo drop on captures?

[agile crane]

i just started playing, not sure what omni means but i am sure that it is important. haha

[upper osprey]

i would laugh a lot if we get a flying broom

[opal fable]

at least the omni ammo won't min roll on its modifiers or give you the wrong ones

[agile crane]

petition for flying broom, it fits the theme,
"mostlly"

[upper osprey]

imagine if mada just spawns in a broom with a witch hat, talking about duhk halic spawning nim-rods, and we just steal her broom and fly to very far away, keep with her broom going to nightfold or something real crazy like that

[opal fable]

i hate it when these clowns show up instead of the regular spawn, thanks for the stock drop buddy

[agile crane]

bro agian this q thign is just not workign i am at the deer status and being told to press q to spectral sight but i press it and nothing happens......

[lethal narwhal]

I got a sovereign from a level 98 mace knight here on a patrol

[opal fable]

anything notably different at level 100?

oh no, my storage is full

[subtle salmon]

Is there a short blade rune? I have 9 different ones. stacks of 19, 13, 8, 7... 😑

[opal fable]

you can check the compendium to see all available runes

[lethal narwhal]

well that was my first sovereign since h2, so maybe higher level is working or it's rng

[opal fable]

how do reset the spawns if you can't go into dungeons?

[lethal narwhal]

time and running far away lol

[opal fable]

ah that sucks

[subtle salmon]

Thanks and wth... two different runes for them and haven't gotten one yet... About to hit mastery 12.

[lethal narwhal]

Must've been either rng or zone on the map

[distant jungle]

It's most likely just raw RNG and confirmation bias.

@all the different theories around

[thick remnant]

How’s the combat feel now? There still a lot of work to be done or how polished is it?

[lethal narwhal]

There will always be a need to polish it since we are still in pre-alpha but I think overall the actual "feel" of combat has improved significantly over the past few preludes

lvl 100 sinecure gawth dropped a military one, so I guess yeah level doesn't matter

[opal fable]

just gotta get someone to farm like 250 maces at level 100+ and then another 250 at base level and see

[lethal narwhal]

got a noble from a lvl 105 mace knight on the other side of the river south of the castle

[lethal narwhal]

lvl 110 Gawth and just got a stock lol oof

[sly escarp]

Wait sorry you got stock

Not Military, stock?

[distant jungle]

Yeah you can get stock now, on top of drop amount being lowered from regular knights.

Apparently they saw the grind and decided people were doing it too fast.

So they had to shove us back down a bit.

[sly escarp]

Hm. Interesting.

Actually, have to wonder if Stocks not dropping might have been a bug

DE has had drop table issues before.

[lethal narwhal]

yeah they have consistently had drop table issues, every preludes has at least one item that has a problem

Gath, Precklies, Lyke-Wake and there's more

[sly escarp]

Mockery weps

Dewelion

[lethal narwhal]

oh yea lol the mockery pickpocket strat

[sly escarp]

Dewelion was meant to drop from a whole other source in the patch notes

[agile crane]

hello again, anyone having issues with spectral sight not working ? keep pressing q with nothign happening. ....

[lethal narwhal]

are you talking about soul mode?

[distant jungle]

Spectral Sight is the in-game name.

Though Soul Vision is listed in the options, probably a placeholder.

[agile crane]

i guess....well i press q to "Activate it " and nothing

[lethal narwhal]

your keybind might have changed, did you double check?

[agile crane]

yup... nothing

[lethal narwhal]

have you tried changing it to a different key?

[agile crane]

yup ...nothing

trust me im peeved

[lethal narwhal]

and you've relogged?

[agile crane]

yup....

restarted pc works now....crazy

[sick aspen]

Is it worth the 30 dollars for early access?

[agile crane]

PM

[sick aspen]

What...?

[languid flame]

Did they lower the amount of acorns you get? I thought it was 3?

[distant jungle]

1-3.

[languid flame]

Oh I thought it was a set amount. Ty

[distant jungle]

Also keep in mind that this isn't just early access, this is a pre-alpha. The game is not finished, nor is it closed to being so.

This is a phase to test and report things, so come in expecting that.

It is buggy, you will encounter bugs, and a lot of them, regularly.

It will be this way for a while yet.

[fallow arch]

I want my prisms back

I want both systems, but you essentially can use liths to make your own prisms

[minor maple]

not sure if this goes here but worth noting, the drop pod thing landing on top of a chest requiring a key to open, thus being unable to open it once killing the enemies nearby and getting said key

[fallow arch]

lol but also goes to #1438224825113120788

[blissful ether]

I also preferred prisms, though keeping a given spread per loadout makes me neutral towards the lith system. Like you say, it's basically just building the prisms you want, +/- a few points in some direction or other.

I don't think I've actually even used a lith because my loadouts all already had the spreads I wanted for them from the prisms I had been using.

I guess in theory I'll eventually want to respec my leveling loadout ? depending on what I'm leveling ?

[distant jungle]

I would like the system if you could make virtue-specific loadouts.

As in, the loadout saved nothing else.

Loadouts right now save character appearance, bestitches, applied colors, weapons, armor, pact, virtues, everything.

I don't want to have to tweak everything every time I want to swap virtues.

It's annoying.

Same reason I want cosmetic loadouts.

I want to change an outfit and colors without all that other stuff.

The loadout system itself right now is meh.

[waxen yoke]

Does enemy level effects the stats/rarity of the new weapon. Does cogah increase the chance of getting a higher rarity?

[distant jungle]

From current findings, no.

Though apparently Steve mentioned it's supposed to.

It's just small enough to be irrelevant or not working.

[waxen yoke]

So it's just rng then. I have been getting stock with no tempers since the update came out

[void compass]

hey, does someone has a key ? I would appreciate so much T_T

[frank kettle]

downloading the game ATM, any tips for a new player ??

[languid flame]

I really enjoy doing the organ. Having the power to just zap enemies is so fun and freeing the ducks and beavers feels great.

[lethal narwhal]

From my experience hotfix 2 really changed the drop rate, significantly lowered the rarity tier you find as well. Cogah seemingly does nothing, anecdotally I have found my highest rarity today during a level 100+ cogah. But it could be an outlier rng thing

[twin skiff]

this is really funny

[thick remnant]

Is there any new in builds or synergies so far? Been a while since I tried but I remember it was so bare bones, there couldn’t have been a meta lol.

[dusty hare]

how is the game updating so fast?

[distant jungle]

Wdym?

[sly escarp]

Do you mean hotfixes, or preludes?

[distant jungle]

Download speed? Pace of updates?

The latter is cus it's a pre-alpha.

[sly escarp]

Preludes, mostly because they put out the systems changes in a prototype state for testing.

[distant jungle]

Constant improvement is kind of expected, especially after a big update.

[sly escarp]

Hotfixes: they just fix what they can then put it out when there's enough.

Especially for larger bugs.

[dusty hare]

many hotfixes and this .5 prelude

[distant jungle]

It's in active feature development, stuff happens rapidly.

Or rather, many small updates to adjust and fix things.

[sly escarp]

The prelude is them taking a small prototype of the upcoming changes and making it functional in a vacuum.

Plus some overhaul changes they likely had in the backlog for a while now i.e. Virtues

[dire python]

ok

I glitched out at the start of a mestra duel and got stuck in a swimming animation lol

[distant jungle]

I've seen that at least one in a video someone posted, looks very silly.

Is probably very frustrating, but it does look funny.

[dire python]

I was hoping to farm for Espadarte

[fallow arch]

main issue is that liths are very rare drop from bosses

[slim bramble]

What if Orengall's Werewalker ability were more like Voruna's 4th ability, Ulfrun's Descent?

[fallow arch]

so anyone got news on better farms for orst?

only one I've seen is the one I was already running lol

[lunar atlas]

sadly, they decreased the drop rate from regular sinecure knights

[lethal narwhal]

I have had my best luck today killing a random mace knight on patrol on the eastern side of the map south of the middle organ

It was cogah level 105, and just a regular mace knight nothing fancy

I got a sovereign mace with 5 tempers

Everything else I’ve done today I’ve only gotten stock-officer and 1 noble from Cogah gawth at lvl 110

No matter what dungeon or overworld sinecure officer I tried to kill, just bad RNG or a bug

And that’s after 8 hours of target farming

[fallow arch]

105?

[lethal narwhal]

Yep, raising the world level in cogah mode. You kill agari, sieges etc. and the world level raises. I just did it a lot until I got to 120 and then gave up. If you enter a dungeon or enclave your world resets back to 40s

Took like an hour and a half? Maybe 2 hours

Mainly because I was doing other things and trying different routes. You can definitely do it faster than that though and absolutely faster in co-op

[fallow arch]

I'll give it a go

[lethal narwhal]

Good luck! To be clear though, I’m not sure cogah helps at all

It just was the best drop I had today and that’s where it was from

[tame bone]

Got my first Sovereign from killing the mace knight couple (lv 94 Cogah) at the southeastern gate of Wazzard of Wastes location.

[outer jewel]

Sry not played in a hot min is lvl 30 still max

[fallow arch]

is the second ability on duelo bugged?

[fallen trench]

so i got a dungeon with a room with two sprites that need sun. i cannot find another mirror and therefore cannot finish the dungeon

is this a known potential issue or should i keep looking

one mirror was able to hit both sprites when I rotated it (bugged, so wouldnt trigger the puzzle finish until i moved it back and forth a bunch) and now that i triggered one, i cant move it back to hit the other sprite

[fallow arch]

mines...

no reaction timing to deal with that

whoever thought mines should be like that I want a word...

[twin skiff]

sick

[whole thorn]

Chat js became a founder but I can’t find my codes where do I look?

[fallow arch]

account management

[whole thorn]

Kay sweet thx twin

[pearl oak]

i really hope they increase the prism lithe drops

[distant jungle]

I really hope they remove them entirely.

It's like paying a resource to change warframes, and those waframes are per-loadout.

As warframes define playstyle more than pacts do, they are more similar to your virtues, which also do so.

So they are the closest equivalent.

Imagine if Warframes were saved per loadout and you otherwise needed a resource to swap between them.

[lethal narwhal]

For weapons and pact levels yes, but enemies no

[fallow arch]

my idea is to keep them and bring back prisms, you just use the lith to craft your own prisms

this way you still get to make your own custom virtue set up but if you just want to use an already provided prism you can just do that as well

makes it being a rare boss drop also sensible

[tame bone]

First Legendary after 2 Sovereign, 1 Officer, and 2 Military back to back at the top of Turret Jotar. (Cogah lv 96)

[lethal narwhal]

Did it drop from a mace knight? Or from a sinecure officer?

[distant jungle]

And it low rolled, oof.

[lethal narwhal]

I mean it’s still better than a sovereign lol

[distant jungle]

Sovereign can also roll 6.

[lethal narwhal]

It has 7 there

[distant jungle]

Oh, I didn't notice that cus of the stupid UI lmao.

[scenic solar]

tried to do a boss share and everyone just dips...

[tame bone]

Sinecure Officers are RNG; they're like Selvins, they just don't show up for me often. (and the ones who did dropped the stock tier lol)

[distant jungle]

They really need to wrap the tempers properly.

Not have them... break out of the UI.

[lethal narwhal]

Ah I see, so I’ll just have to try again tomorrow at turret jotar. I ran it so much today that enemies stopped spawning there, and no matter how far away I went they never came back

[scenic solar]

they also need to add that upgrade system soon, i'm getting more and more pissed

like 30-35 orst-iiis, only like 5 officers

[distant jungle]

You can forcibly respawn enemies if you go through a loading zone, and there's an undercity entrance very close to the castle.

[tame bone]

Turret Jotar has 4 Sinecure knights yielding a mace.

[distant jungle]

You can dip inside and leave again immediately through the entrance.

You can also just relog.

[lethal narwhal]

But it resets cogah levels if you do that

[distant jungle]

The loading zone? No, it does not.

You can run dungeons in Cogah just fine.

Unless that's a very new bug.

[lethal narwhal]

It does reset levels back to 40, I just did it today lol

[scenic solar]

nothing higher than officer....

[distant jungle]

That'd be a bug report then cus it is not supposed to.

[lethal narwhal]

I went from 120 after 1 dungeon run reload and back to 40

[distant jungle]

Cogah is supposed to be a consistent world state, including dungeons.

Like, dungeon bosses drop cogah runes and it's supposed to amp levels in the dungeons too.

So if it resets anything that's a bug report.

[tame bone]

I refuse to go back North, too much ground. I basically go East and West back to back. Mace knights just don't spawn at the Northeastern region for me.

[lethal narwhal]

I’ve only had luck south east today 😅 Gawth had horrible rates

[fallow arch]

supposedly in higher levels you get better chances of better qualities

[distant jungle]

Supposedly in that Steve reportedly said so, but through observation this is not true.

So either A: it is broken, or B: it is so small as to not matter or be easily observable.

Tbh either is equally likely to be true.

[lethal narwhal]

H1 I don’t think Cogah did anything but everyone who’s ran today and that I’ve seen get a Legendary in H2 has done it in Cogah

Could be coincidental though since they just were running it anyway

[distant jungle]

Yeah, you'll get everything in Cogah if you stay in Cogah lol.

[lethal narwhal]

I mean I tried a long time today in regular, and never got anything above officer, but again could be rng

[distant jungle]

I've gotten noble and sovereign and haven't touched Cogah.

[lethal narwhal]

Yesterday I was getting a lot more variety in regular

[distant jungle]

Just haven't gotten a Legendary yet but that's not saying much cus they're stupid rare.

[tame bone]

But yesterday I farmed Turret Jotar for 3/4 hours logging in and logging out, the highest one was a Noble. Today I spent more time running at bosses than searching for mace knights and it dropped.

[distant jungle]

I can try cogah climbing after I get the mace to 30 to see if I feel any difference.

[fallow arch]

I just want galvanic, extra smite chance, extra heavy damage and maybe faster heavy attacks, the rest I cant be bothered with

[distant jungle]

I just ain't gonna level climb with Orst cus it's... kind of whimpy.

Even against enemies in the 20s.

[lethal narwhal]

I think I might wait to farm it until after another hotfix, something just isn’t right imo

[distant jungle]

I get smites often enough and kill fast enough that my priority would be heavy charge rate, heavy damage, and sprint damage.

Cus all galvanic is is a tiny bit more damage and a tiny bit of stagger AoE.

Meanwhile I could have fast uber charge sprint heavies.

And sprint heavy is really good on the GS moveset, which it uses for that attack.

Heavy damage, sprint damage, and heavy speed would be top while more smite, stagger, and galvanic would be welcome.

I have had galvanic occasionally stagger an enemy about to attack, so the AoE can be useful.

It just isn't super consistent and barely adds any damage, and damage is the biggest thing.

Cus Orst lacks it.

[fallow arch]

ye but its also cool looking

kinda also want the shiny one

[lethal narwhal]

I do think that there’s not necessarily a “god roll” yet, considering you can get up to 8 tempers. I do think it comes up to preference what the odd one out could be at least but generally galvanic is the most notable quirk out of all of them for me. The rest aren’t terribly noticeable or if anything they just make things slightly faster.

I am just confused why a lot of these couldn’t have just been totems? I feel like there’s a lot of overlap between the two currently

[fallow arch]

has 8 tempers really been proven?

[lethal narwhal]

And then once they add more status effects or status damages I bet most of our current tempers are going to be undesirable

[lethal narwhal]

Yep many people have shown there’s already

The Moonsteel special edition is real too, it’s not a rarity, just a cosmetic shiny version

Here’s two legendary 8 tempers people posted

[fallow arch]

ye that I've seen

[lethal narwhal]

And then a Moonsteel

[peak crystal]

Hello! ive been trying to get soulframe to work with my rog ally x but it doesnt register the controls as a controller :( i tried to add it to steam and whatnot but im still unable to figure out how to make it playable. i was wondering if anyone knew how to fix that?

[scenic solar]

no moonsteel, nothing higher than officer... and 2 of the officer ones only have 2 tempers...

hopefully i can get SOMETHING better tomorrow...

[half talon]

There might be something in #1438224932323721296 … unfortunately I’m more familiar with the steamdeck side

[barren gust]

orst lacks damage? maybe its because Ive not done cogah but its handling level 30ish enemies decently well

[distant jungle]

That's cus everything can.

Orst does in 4 hits what GS's can do in 2.

[barren gust]

lol then that settles that

[distant jungle]

For a heavy, it hits like a longblade.

But much, much slower.

[barren gust]

isnt it faster attack wise?

albeit slightly

[distant jungle]

If you spam Light 1 over and over, which I'm pretty sure is your best DPS combo lmao.

But the gaps between its combo attacks are longer than a longblade's.

Even if the attack animations themselves are a lil faster.

[barren gust]

yea its giving darth vader vs daki lol

[distant jungle]

Yeah block canceling the light 1 may actually be your best combo.

Which tbf may also be true for GS so that's nothing strange.

[barren gust]

ah so my strategy of spamming block whenever an enemy raises their hand is actually beneficial

[dire python]

lmao what?

light 1 spam is the best heavy combo?

is it vermintide melee combos again?

[distant jungle]

Where did I mention heavies?

Oh wait the weapon category. Yeah lol.

I forget they co-opted GS.

[distant jungle]

But yeah, much like GS it's because the combo has a lot of lag between hits, but the first one comes out super fast, like a jab.

And block canceling exists, so you can kind of... jab over and over.

And even with slightly less damage per hit, you're still sending out attacks way faster and usually much more safely.

And light 1 usually also has great lunge.

[dire python]

these days I'm mostly playing longblades lol

igne mora with Mora's Hand and rapiers with Duelo

I might come back to Tethren

[distant jungle]

That one has a very good light combo now and pretty much perfectly even spacing lol, the base longblade combo.

And rapier hits all come out fast.

None of the lag issues that Heavy has, both Greatswords and the new mace.

[fallow arch]

derp

[dire python]

Rapier feels so smooth to use

it's just they don't feel as weighty

the impact, the oomph

[distant jungle]

Yeah I thought they meant heavy attacks, I forgot the category was renamed 'Heavy' cus it's so damn out of place.

Longblade, descriptive, Shortblade, same. Flyblades, you get the picture. Then, 'Heavy'.

Sure DE, sure.

Works until they overhaul the weapon skill system I guess.

[echo heron]

the balloon....

[cobalt venture]

alright so i just returned had a lot of IRL going on, anyhow can the templar only use maces if so that is not cool, i want a sword and board templar or paladin good god maces are yuck and that comes from a massive mmo player anyhow ill check back soon just logged in

[fallow arch]

yea doing cogah just to get more of the same shit is very annoying

[livid shuttle]

is it normal to have virtue as 18 life / 7 grace / 7 spirit? if i adjust it i cant even get close to that anymore

[ornate jungle]

While adjusting it only shows your innate virtues but after/ before you lock it in it includes all the bonuses from pact upgrades and gear, so no need to worry about respeccing lowering your total virtue amount

[fallow arch]

annoyingly this is probably the best one I've gotten

[solemn sequoia]

ty orengall

[distant jungle]

I had this, it amused me.

I notice that it's tagged /SF/ instead of /Lotus/ now though.

[knotty moon]

Maybe that's why it doesn't find it?

[distant jungle]

That would be... hilarious.

[knotty moon]

Btw, is it just me or those timer are just not going down?
Been about 12 hours and still full.

[distant jungle]

Apparently it's like 23 hours, it may not represent time that long very well?

Idk, and I'm not willing to sit and stare long enough to test.

[knotty moon]

The exp one did though.

Well, I'll stop refreshing the kick stagger one, we'll see if it eventually runs out.

Uh, Impidh has a new move.

[distant jungle]

What is he doing, summoning god? Lmao.

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️
It didn't appear to do anything, standing in the AoE did no damage, maybe some kind of debuf I didn't notice?

[fallow arch]

its for aura

[knotty moon]

Uh, I can use my Eldore again, best Joinery is back!

[scenic solar]

better than any I got >_>

[somber haven]

Anyone got 9 perks orst III yet?

[scenic solar]

I thought there was only 8 perks

[lethal raven]

dun think 9 exist? but I got this yesterday at some point. No idea from where tho and dunno if it was in cogah or not

[warm gazelle]

so you NEED cloud quell to fight nimrod?

[dire python]

no

[warm gazelle]

the health bar is red but when i try to fight him he just heals and resets my damage

[dire python]

cloudquell makes him marginally less annoying to fight but if you have a good build (i.e can take out about half his healthbar in about 5-10 seconds) you can probably outdamage his healing

[knotty moon]

You can overwhelm his regen, that said a Cloudquell does stop it.

[warm gazelle]

and the red ability and green ability of sirin aren't doin much ig blue isn't either. i think sirin needs a bit of rework

[dire python]

if your overall damage isn't as good though you'll probably need Cloudquell

Sirin is not built for boss fights lol

[warm gazelle]

yea i figured

its unforunate. feels underwheling, and ive leveled both the old and wild one

[prime marsh]

HOLY

[dire python]

not every Pact is good against bosses

I learned that the hard way trying to fight discharged nimrod on Orengall

[knotty moon]

8 perks is the maximum an Osrt can have, as far as I know.
There are 9 possible perks.

[atomic perch]

i might actually hate my luck i was just saving up for getting a founder pack and one of my favorite games sequel came out just today:(

[knotty moon]

There are worse problems to have.

I wish they made Sekiro 2. 😛

[dire python]

If I wasn’t dead broke I’d get GBF Relink for myself

[atomic perch]

nah i think thatd be horrible

[warm gazelle]

is sirins green ability suppose to do damage btw? i know it distracts enemies to make them attack it but it very rarely works

[dire python]

It shouldn’t

[knotty moon]

Possible, but the secret/long ending was really sequel bait.

[dire python]

Also Sekiro 2 I don’t think would work lol

[atomic perch]

its dumb when games make a sequel to a multiple ending game as it means other ending didnt matter as much

[dire python]

They could make a similar game and it’d work as long as like

They don’t call it Sekiro

They don’t HAVE to

Also have you tried Sifu

[knotty moon]

Drakengard did it fairly good imo.

At least better than Deus Ex's "they all happened actually".

[atomic perch]

doesnt drakengard have a horribly messed up timeline

[knotty moon]

Yes, sequels are based on different timelines. (Nier too)

Basically the games had around 20 endings each, and they choose one that they thought had an interesting premise to build on.
Then chose another for the spin off and the other sequel, iirc.

[atomic perch]

i just wouldnt want time shenanigans for sekiro so id rather they make a new game

[knotty moon]

Could go the way of Final Fantasy and just make a game with similar mechanics but different lore.

[atomic perch]

yeah like same combat system but a new games story could be the character sought immortality but he started tto realize as he lived it was a curse so hes trying to find a way to die and seeking more extreame ways to die seeing if one can finally truely kill him

[knotty moon]

Point is, I want more Sekiro, and no clone is really satisfying yet, Nine Sols was the only decent one, and it was a Metroidvania.

[echo heron]

when we gon get a cowboy hat

so i can play duello proper

[echo heron]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-byebye-gif-943587070349455517

and a poncho

this map aint big enuf for the two of us

is sirin useful now

[knotty moon]

A Zorro-like mask. 😛

[echo heron]

tru

just need to go figure whether i should focus on pistol or not

and also rebalance virtue doesnt cost anything

since changing class

[knotty moon]

Dakka is always the answer.

[echo heron]

dakka?

[knotty moon]

WH40k reference, "more firepower".

[echo heron]

ah

bromius tragedy

https://tenor.com/view/po-gif-21990582

[fallow arch]

where though

[echo heron]

one shots everything except cogah unless stunned by osceldra and tethren buff

(used to be)

[solemn sequoia]

oh how i miss it

[echo heron]

they ruined my boy

torrent

[vestal pelican]

I don’t think it matters, I got 3 sovereign and 1 legendary from normal sinecure in dungeons

[fallow arch]

cogah?

[echo heron]

cogah just increases encounter with banneret

[vestal pelican]

Not worth it, unless u know how to get many

[echo heron]

repeat dermak undercities for a while

[vestal pelican]

I got lucky and could dungeon copy 3 level 33 sinecure officers, so like 3 maces per minute

[echo heron]

nice

[fallow arch]

dungeon copy?

[vestal pelican]

But after hotfix I couldn’t get more than 1 to spawn

[noble pike]

I recently got a buff from orengall and I can see the icon above the life bar.. how do i view the description and time left?

[vestal pelican]

Im wondering too, the buff is op

[echo heron]

whats the good joinery for dewellion

[knotty moon]

Multiplayer exploit.
One player leaves the party, get sent to singleplayer with a copy of the dungeon, the others kill the boss and the one that left invites the others, repeat at will.

I wouldn't suggest doing it, since it is technically cheating, but DE didn't really say anything on it.

[vestal pelican]

I heard 3 courage for endgame

[echo heron]

mn

what if im using it for duello

[vestal pelican]

If u do Full Grace with lith u are most likely damage cap

Cap is 173? I think

[dense sentinel]

around there. I've seen damage go anywhere from 170-210 variance due to buffs

[vestal pelican]

Yeah I mean the damage in the weapon info window

[echo heron]

lith?

[vestal pelican]

It won’t go above 174 iirc

[vestal pelican]

Yeah with the new virtue system I mean

[echo heron]

ah

[lethal raven]

I dunno. Randomly discovered it this morniung when sorting through my orst copies i had been picking up.

Did a lot of random stuff yesterday for faction reputation, and later did a bit of Cogah in a group of two. Could have picked it up doing any of it as far I'm aware.

[languid tiger]

Bruh, vadaga bear constantly despawns on me jesus christ

[knotty moon]

Uh, first time I see the falling tree ambush.

[tropic charm]

i may have discovered a potentially better castle route for maces that doesn't require u relog

[knotty moon]

The dungeon near there?

[tropic charm]

nope, just walking

[knotty moon]

Uh.

[tropic charm]

well i guess it is the dungeon? u just dont need to enter it

respawns do seem to be a bit inconsistent tho

[knotty moon]

I appreciate the fact that getting bonked by the tree throws you down.
I would have expected some damage though, at least.

[twilit mirage]

I just got a stock orst-3 with no tempers, I thought the minimum was 1

[tropic charm]

my theory is that stock is meant to be unobtainable

[knotty moon]

Stock is 0-1.

[twilit mirage]

well that sucks. I got like 20 military and 1 officer so far. Is the way to go increasing the level in cogah and killing gawth in there?

[lime granite]

Some1 told me it doesnt make a difference, but it could be wrong info

[knotty moon]

Level doesn't seem to make a significant difference.

Difficult to test though since RNG.

[twilit mirage]

got it, thanks tough

[scenic solar]

Yea, I’m getting back to back to back stock in 4 person boss shares...

[twilit mirage]

i guess ill just go back to farming my missing runes in cogah and give this some wait

[tropic charm]

Dog :D

[fallen marten]

guy please anyone can help me im blocked on this quest dunno how to solve and the bird is buged turning around

its talking about wevette seed something like this

[knotty moon]

I'm drawing a blank on what that quest even is.

[languid tiger]

So what's the point of all these orst weapons again?

[knotty moon]

Partial preview of P15 loot system.

We are missing the breaking down the useless drops to improve the one we like.

[fallen marten]

i m getting ultra frustated about the quest system in this game, no UI; birdie losing connexion and making me turning everyw<here for nothing lol

[rich karma]

was relogging to change ur faction tales been fixed up, im trying to roll Still the Pillager but its not changing

[knotty moon]

If you provide a fuller translation, or give a screenshot in English I might be able to help.

[fallen marten]

yes i m switching to english thank you

i dont even know how i already got 1/x lol

[knotty moon]

For the first objective you need to find the trees and pull out the spear, like during the tutorial, it is what reveals the map.
You can see them here: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1499065839331180759

For the second objective, hit the enemies until they start glowing (Smite), then use Spectral Sight + Pull Smite (there is supposed to be a separate keybind to use it without Spectral Sight, but cant find it).

[fallen marten]

thx oyu

this keybind ?

[knotty moon]

That should be the one in combination with Spectral Sight, not sure if it works alone if you rebind it.

I was getting confused with the separate Weapon Rune command, there is no separate Pull Smite. 😛

[languid tiger]

Such a wicked vibe

[thick remnant]

Do y’all just use anything?

[naive cloud]

as in like, weapons?

[thick remnant]

Yeah and abilities

[naive cloud]

yeah you kinda have to use all the pacts and all the weapons to rank them up so you get a higher mastery rank

but I think everyone has their own favorites

[waxen magnet]

can someone help me out with understanding why Avex (bow) has a melee attack as its heavy attack? i mean it being different i get, not having arrow hail is weird but acceptable, but why not a different ranged attack? i was also so excited to try out the only 3* bow after xp farming the others before it and am so bummed out by it...

[knotty moon]

Pretty much.
You are going to level everything at least once for the exp, after that just pick your favorite playstyle, there is no significantly better stuff.

[naive cloud]

because stabby stabby heavy heavy

honestly, I breezed through levelling the avex as fast as I could by headshotting enemies with it and I don't think I'll be picking it back up tbh, the arrow rain is just better

[knotty moon]

Bow used to have a melee combo, they removed that in favor of Arrow Hail with P9, then added Avex as a throwback.

[waxen magnet]

agreed

[knotty moon]

Also, Avex has piercing shots.

[waxen magnet]

dont get me wrong it is unique and i dont mind it for that, but why not a different heavy attack?

like scatter arrow or sth instead of a melee

melee just feels weird

also considering you dont get contested health when having a bow

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️
Personally I like the melee, but there were plenty of "better" options thrown around by people who didn't like it when it was implemented.
Explosives, scatter, mines, and a few others I don't remember.

Personally I hope that with the Martial Arts rework we will be able to slot heavies as we want.

[naive cloud]

yeah I had an issue with this too when trying out that heavy attack, the rally system thing for health doesn't work with any ranged weapons so naturally you're going to be trying to stay away from enemies more than you'll be aggressing on them

I think it's a fun little idea, but deeefinitely not the best thing to use xD

[waxen magnet]

i just wish they improved it or changed it entirely

for example if it had a stun or knockback effect, although i would still prefer if it had a different ranged attack

[naive cloud]

I assume knockback effects or things of that sort will probably come into play more when they bring the tempering into it or more totems

rn things are a little barebones

[vestal pelican]

Everything BUT smite

[naive cloud]

still a god roll tho!

[waxen magnet]

well i will put it down after getting it to 30 for sure, since i enjoy arrow hail way too much

[vestal pelican]

but isnt every legendary a god roll? cuz u always get 8 tempers no?

[naive cloud]

6-8

[vestal pelican]

ohhh

i thought 8 guaranteed

[naive cloud]

nope 🥲

actually

my bad, apparently it's 5-8

[vestal pelican]

even worse

[naive cloud]

yup, so even more of a god roll