gameplay-discussion

[halcyon thicket]

Well there was a time that would be the case even for a live service game

Maybe not anymore

[distant jungle]

And did those games last 12 years with consistent updates is my point.

To the same quality as WF makes them too.

Like sure you have NMS over there but they openly stated that it was so explosively successful that they could pay everyone in the company a living wage for the rest of their lives without selling anything else.

They also aren't owned by anyone else, so they're a very unique case.

Also yeah I bought founders like, the main thing I feel aren't the limited exclusives.

It's that I have so many damn arcs that I don't see myself spending it all in years.

The value vehind all of that moonsteel is also insane.

Given that I curate my outfits excessively too.

I don't see myself using all of that remotely soon either.

[halcyon thicket]

Best to wait for envoygen

[distant jungle]

But yeah, I'd much rather have DE monetize small things like slots and colors than gameplay-altering advantages like pretty much literally every other game does nowadays. This way you can buy the slots you need and the cosmetics you like and everything else that can affect gameplay can be obtained through gameplay.

I won't fall behind or just be worse for not shelling out money every month.

And even then you can sell things for premium currency on the player market, so even that can be obtained through gameplay.

Which like, literally nobody else does because it no longer forces every player to spend money.

Compared to industry standard, DE may as well be a damn saint with how they monetize things.

Which is an incredibly sad thing to be true.

Not sad because of what DE does but that near everything else is so much worse.

Even singleplayer, one-off experiences with no multiplayer even are occasionally being aggressively monetized now.

Like DD2 was.

I know there's one other that was way worse even but I scrubbed it from my memory.

Some anime game or other.

[upbeat cradle]

i remember that one 1v4 game called evolve that died because of his monetization, crazy thing is that their monetization is equal to what most games are doing now but we don't see those games dying

[distant jungle]

Desensitization. People were angry in runescape when the game accidentally introduced a method to pay like, 6 dollars for a 15% xp boost or something? With their refer-a-friend that someone could just make an alt and buy the game again for. Calling it pay to win.

People's standards get lower and lower just cus they get more used to it and every new generation just assumes it's normal.

Prices of games going up despite the costs to make them going down.

[upbeat cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-umbra-gif-19388420

[distant jungle]

Assuming there's no middle-management bloat at least, which is rampant nowadays.

[upbeat cradle]

i miss how the optimization was before too, i can play an somewhat old open world game with tons of breakables and such just fine, but a simple new game about just doing stuff lags my pc

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah, upscaling and frame gen were made as ways to get that extra bit out of your system.

Instead every company saw it and used it as a tool to just do less work.

Which it was not originally designed for.

[upbeat cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[distant jungle]

It was a user tool to bump yourself up, not a dev excuse to be lazy and do crap work optimizing.

But we've been off-topic for long enough lol.

Anyway, DE good, monetization a necessary evil, Soulframe fun.

[upbeat cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lerolero-itswill-do-this-dance-cat-hands-dance-gif-15634157831569175603

[distant jungle]

I've taken occasional breaks from leveling all my stuff back to max to bully thrice-bound for more joineries.

Making sure I have a solid stock of thrice mora gildaurs before any new weapons release.

[normal sail]

DEs form of monetization is the best compromise of all forms of monetization imho

[compact marsh]

Are there any weapons I may have missed when leveling up each one?

[distant jungle]

Nah your MR is at the current max.

[compact marsh]

Thank you. I sold some weapons prior to getting the whole founders pact before I got the extra arcs.

[distant jungle]

Can always check Little Genius. I did once to double-check for anything I missed.

[compact marsh]

What is Little Genius?

[distant jungle]

Companion app by the avakot wiki people. Generic warning about using third party stuff at your own risk and all that.

[upbeat cradle]

3rd party app to track progress

[distant jungle]

Not against the third party policy unless it allows cheating or enables an exploit.

[compact marsh]

Cheating is no fun anyways

[distant jungle]

So it's safe but technically has a tiny chance of anti-cheat false flagging you, which can be fixed with a ticket.

I haven't heard of that happening with Little Genius yet though.

But yeah, lets you track progress on a ton of stuff, like CD timers on bosses and sieges, mastery, current reputation, etc.

[compact marsh]

Hopefully DE will add a new page in the journal showing every weapon you have maxed out for the MR rank. Be cool to see it become a feature in P15 or even P16

[compact marsh]

Sounds good for people wanting to 100%

[smoky crater]

That'll probably be a player profile thing rather than a journal one

[compact marsh]

That sounds good

[upbeat cradle]

damn, can't wait to see how the profile will look in soulframe

https://tenor.com/view/kirara-hoshi-kirara-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-gif-10955110114009096279

[full heron]

trying to get the maestra set and the wiki says that every shipwreck has a place to duel the boss with a 2hr cd each, the first one i went to had a rapier and a fight, i visited 4 more that didnt seem to have rapiers, is it just one fight per 2 hours or only some have fights or what

[slim bramble]

theres like 8 viable ship wrecks arounf midrath, so i dont think every wreck can be fought at

[finite stone]

the wiki says that every shipwreck has a place to duel the boss with a 2hr cd each, the first one i went to had a rapier and a fight, i visited 4 more that didnt seem to have rapiers

Every interactable shipwreck should do yes, specifically the ones that are listed on https://wiki.avakot.org/Shipwrecks:

So shipwrecks like the westernmost ones on the kearnhold beach, or the closest one to mirifuir, etc won't have anything because they're not part of the 8 interactable shipwrecks

There is a bit of weirdness going on with the spawns right now though, which could be a bug - for example my Birdie's Bog shipwreck wasn't spawning a sword the other day for some reason even though it's one of the spawn points

is it just one fight per 2 hours or only some have fights or what

and then for this, it's a 2hr cooldown per individual shipwreck, so you can do 8 in a row if none of them get bugged!

[grave vigil]

are you sure that its 8 tho

some of shipwrecks dont have swords

[finite stone]

yeah the ones outside of the 8, like the one closest to mirifuir, or the westernmost ones on the kearnhold beach

[upbeat cradle]

yeah the sword spawn in shipwrecks is weird

i had shipwrecks without sword, i go to find another with a sword, do the duel, come back to the first shipwreck and suddently there's a sword

[finite stone]

yeah definitely some spawn weirdness in them

for me it was birdie's that was being weird, but maybe all 8 can do that sometimes

[distant jungle]

Okay is there any way to turn off the dynamic camera? What's been throwing off my ability to do certain things, like throw, is that the camera keeps zooming out at random while in combat. I chose my FOV for a reason and would like it to forever stay at precisely that FOV, that's the whole point of that damn slider.

Whenever it zooms out it shoves my character in the direct center of my screen, making it impossible to aim at anything but my character's back.

It also just throws me off to have my FOV constantly shift around like that.

I actually hate it.

My FOV is constantly yanked back and forth as I move around in combat so the game can just randomly decide when I am and am not allowed to aim.

Kind of actually hurts my eyes sometimes.

The most annoying part is it does not stay... proportional? As I said, my character will drift to and away from the center of my screen, so angles are constantly changing too rather than them always sitting slightly to the left.

That is what's been throwing my brain for a loop.

There needs to be a setting to let us just lock the FOV.

[smoky crater]

it has been... such a long time. since i've last seen this sight in hilly-den

also you think Wake tastes good?

wait Lyke-Wake has a description now???

[finite stone]

a full on poem!

[zenith knoll]

it always had one, at least in the p14 update's forum post

[distant jungle]

When it was added it was blank for a while.

[zenith knoll]

i know the desc ingame was a placeholder for the first few hotfixes

[smoky crater]

and that is what i meant 👀

[subtle salmon]

Do animals give off a different aura if they're higher tier like the gold bordered totems? Not trying to charm them all. Like shiny hunting

[upbeat cradle]

nope, just the fur

[mellow iron]

a little stuck on the bear quest but it has to be one of my two favorite quests by far

[prime cloud]

how hard is soulframe compared to games like nightrein

or is there a way i can turn up the difficulty on the game in soulframe

[distant jungle]

No difficulty slider, and substantially easier.

[smoky crater]

simple answer, not a soulslike

[distant jungle]

People jump to that fast but it's not really descriptive. I still call it a soulslite cus it plays very similarly at base.

Sure, the challenge and the theme are entirely different, but the basic motions will be very familiar.

And who knows, we may get harder stuff down the line. A minimum amount of challenge is a stated objective.

It's too early to tell right now.

I'd have fun if stuff with some more oomph existed. The new siege is definitely in the right direction.

Though I will say they may need to chill a little with how incessantly some projectiles track you in that.

Leads to a lot of cases of chip that just isn't realistically avoidable, especially when fighting mooks at the same time.

Which bridges over from 'challenging' into 'annoying'.

A bit of a stat check even, cus you just have to muscle through it.

But that may or may not just be part of the design philosophy, nobody said that this game'll let you skill through everything.

We may just occasionally need to account for chip that will happen.

[finite stone]

Sadly not, but there is a kind of pseudo-hardmode called Cogah. But you can't really 'play' soulframe in cogah all the time, it's just for specific things and doesn't let you do all the game's content, plus it uses consumables and disables itself every time you log out

BUT Cogah will be receiving some updates in the upcoming Preludes 15 update, so this might make it more of an option for players wanting Soulframe to be harder overall? We will have to wait and see

[tidal vigil]

Is there a bug with the new Pact or Pacts in general showing 3 upgrade points but when you go to your tree it doesn't let you place them or show you have any?

[fallen trench]

is there any way to disable that stupid lock-on feature? i've almost died so many times due to my character randomly locking on to a random enemy and not letting me smite or focus on enemies right next to me

[sly escarp]

There is not at this time

But! #1438224662344761345 is always looking to get game feedback!

[sly escarp]

Noticed that as well, seems the UI won't update unless you back in and out of the upgrade menu a few times

[tidal vigil]

I'll try that, thanks so much!

[agile horizon]

thank you mister skeletal, only took a hundred runs. Now gib the last boot piece

also whats up with middle organ never dropping the chest pieces?

is its drop pool wider?

i have both witch hat and pants, but not a single chest piece

[distant jungle]

Drop pools should all be the same aside from each having only one piece of the armor.

Just the drop chances trolling you there.

[tender bone]

hallo can i see what y'all duelo tree looks like

[agile horizon]

all stats, rush to one point in smite heal, two clones and three bleeds

[potent radish]

Which virtues should I focus on for mora's hand? hybrid or one focus

[agile horizon]

for now always try grace first

if you can fit more grace - you should

[atomic perch]

would using a thrice blessed grace be a waste? cause its already 3 grace

[distant jungle]

Yes, though I have done so anyway because I'm neurotic and it'd bother me for my weapons to have multiple tiers of joineries across them.

That and you can farm thrice in spades by murdering Thrice-Bound over and over.

So you'll get plenty enough Thrice that it doesn't matter.

[atomic perch]

is there any benefit to a thrice blessed over twice blesses or just the extra pip

[distant jungle]

Just the extra scaling, yeah.

[knotty moon]

orz
PSA: The bots started to send the spam to DMs.

[distant jungle]

Hue?

Oh noes.

[dire python]

ok I'm tired of searching for arena tiles, how else can I powerlevel stuff?

especially if it's, like, lower rank stuff and I'm not particularly powerful

[vagrant kayak]

Honestly just running Votives, Sieges and Cogah levels equipement plenty for me. It's not as fast as finding an arena tile but since you don't need to relevel things anymore the rate is fine imo

[naive cloud]

I’m so glad they changed it so we don’t need to relevel stuff, that sucked lol

And yeah cogah is actually pretty good for levelling it’s just a bit more dangerous

[thorn mason]

how do i get a key please

[smoky crater]

Check pinned messages for info

[thorn mason]

so i need to pay for founders?

[vagrant kayak]

No, signing up gives you a chance to be invited every week for free, watching an Envoy Hour with a linked Twitch account also gets you access for free Next Envoy Hour is tomorrow

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[thorn mason]

so i need to link my twitch

[vagrant kayak]

To get the Twitch drop you will need to link your account yes

[thorn mason]

@vagrant kayak Thank u for your help

[dire python]

asking for research purposes: does Tethren Fellust work with magick and flyblades?

[river elk]

it works as much as it works, as everything has a minimum virtue to be effective. I see nothing wrong with training a weapon with any pact, but as a build you probably want a balance or specific set of virtues.

[vagrant kayak]

It does yeah, I believe the Flyblades orbit uses more than 1 charge when used with Fellust

[finite stone]

That's right the flyblade orbit uses three, but a successful normal throw should still consume 1 as expected (same with magick which I think should behave as per the top two rows depending whether you charge the cast)

[tender bone]

thanks so much!

[woven hatch]

Got my ass beat for so long then ot two maestros therea trick im missing here?

[naive cloud]

be aggressive and try to parry her attack after she blocks

[woven hatch]

EEsh my worse skill. Guess she gon be a good rinse and repeat training regiment lol

[naive cloud]

are you able to spawn more than one vadagar boss per night can anyone confirm? I've been running around but only seem to be able to find one per night lol

[naive cloud]

yup xD once you get the timing down tho it helps a ton and the fight starts feeling a lot easier

[woven hatch]

Then she truly is the Maestro Dx

Painful tho

[finite stone]

just kick her repeatedly

you don't need to parry or dodge or even use your sword

just kick until she falls into the sea and dies

[woven hatch]

BET

[fallow arch]

hope this one wasnt a throw away in development

[woven hatch]

PFFFFT I FELL INTO TEH SEA INSTEAD 😂

[finite stone]

Hope not, same with the animal ones! Mockeries really need that variety

[edgy vortex]

would the pig mockery squeal when you hit it

[finite stone]

now these are the kinds of minds we need working on soulframe's design team!!

[edgy vortex]

you can throw your bird at it and it can knock it over like angry birds

[finite stone]

[agile horizon]

mora grew on me

it's like a new ode

even the rune bug aside its on par with duelo

[primal stump]

yeah, the structure is there,a nd with like, a spirit/X build, it does makes for some potent caster meterial

[dire python]

Mmm…charged bow attacks consume how many charges and buff how many times? Is it similar to charged melee heavies?

[slate monolith]

invisible wall

[digital turret]

Anyone know what this is and what it does?

[digital turret]

I think I figured out what to do with it : )

[signal gust]

what are those leggings?

[normal sail]

tempest braes iirc

or the forgetfire set looked at the wiki, yup braes

[digital turret]

The best leggings in the game xD

[signal gust]

ty

[woven hatch]

@finite stone Took a cople hours but i kicked er!

I have to do it again?!?!?! 😭

[normal sail]

and again, and again, and again…
-# if you want the armor

[dire python]

I’m gon be honest the Fire King set looks derpy

[edgy vortex]

its always looked off fenn jotar just wears it well because hes the greatest of all time

[white igloo]

Ok, so... dumb question

Is there any difference between the Feybalt, Quicksilver and Gilduar joineries with the changes?

[digital turret]

How to kill an immortal dog.

[dire python]

Right now? No

[white igloo]

...wait, so the changes weren't finalized, but they're still put on us-

[edgy vortex]

yes they can only be used on certain weapon types with the exception of gilduar which is for everything

but the changes just made them do the same thing

[digital turret]

LOL, Etheldred the Weaver put a diaper on me

[white igloo]

I miss my piles of Polished Joineries

[empty rapids]

my first rare animal

[half talon]

Love to see it!

[void kite]

When doing cogah is it incorrect if the host is not getting loot from bosses but I am ? This has happened with multiple bosses on multiple days

[woven hatch]

She has been defeated

[frigid agate]

Nightmare fuel.

[leaden hornet]

hey someone have complete the quest oblivio ? i need to find the souls but i dont find there

[smoky crater]

they spawn in the white corrupted areas

[leaden hornet]

there ?

[smoky crater]

that's just... rocks and gravel

guessing you probably don't have all the world trees unlocked yet.
2 spots where a good amount can spawn would be in the southwest part of the map, and in the southeast

[leaden hornet]

okay thanks

[untold valve]

Is the Torrent Rune Soawn in gruul generally low during cogah? I’ve done it like 18 times and only got one torrent rune

[woven hatch]

Somethin is outta place

[molten birch]

what do y'all do once you've finished all the main quests?

[signal gust]

Max everything

[naive cloud]

What’s the rune bug with moras hand do? I’m gunna be getting moras hand soon but I keep seeing people talk about this bug lol

[teal steeple]

Casting your 1st or 2nd ability will often prevent you from activating Runes.

[mighty relic]

does igne mora have a special attack?

like why do people says it cant use rune?

[smoky crater]

replied in #envoy-gathering

[astral pulsar]

i've been playing with the alder staff since the beginning, which staff should i go for if i want the best one Erstroot or Seathorn

[distant jungle]

Silistavf.

It apparently did better in DPS tests because of its faster 4-hit combo.

[astral pulsar]

do you know where to get it?

[distant jungle]

Between those two though, Seathorn, as it's the exact same but with higher damage.

[distant jungle]

Random drop from the new siege in the far NE.

[astral pulsar]

ty

[granite basin]

What's the best way to get Brass? I'm drowning in everything but that.

[sly escarp]

And higher base damage

...Which seems counterintuitive, should the attack or speed be lower to offset?

[teal steeple]

Silistavf is weaker in one aspect, the heavy attacks don't multiply as much as other weapons, afaik.

[smoky crater]

not allowed to ask for keys here

[thorn mason]

Oh damn by bad sorry any reason why

[smoky crater]

rules say so 👀

[thorn mason]

My bad

[subtle salmon]

so the rat and the rabbit don't have distinct colors?

[upbeat cradle]

they do, but doesnt show on the book

[upbeat cradle]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Rat

[ionic spear]

So, my friend was asking why flowers come up wherever I walk. I couldn't tell him, because I have no idea.

[finite stone]

Are you wearing a https://wiki.avakot.org/Prelude_Honour ? That's the only thing I can think of that would give you the blooms in your steps so far:

[ionic spear]

Ah, yes, though the description in game does not tell me that.

[worldly widget]

What is the consensus for best way to level a weapon in p14? Still Glades infinite?

[finite stone]

That's it then! 😄 and yeah a lot of things aren't explained in game haha, it's just DE's way

[finite stone]

Arena is no longer infinite, it caps at 20 waves, but that is generally the fastest way to level stuff as long as you can find one (or get a taxi)

There's also cogah which is great for leveling and also farming the runes, then there's T3 NW tales which are good for leveling and standing at the same time

[ionic spear]

From the videos I've watched, that seems to be PA's way, as well.

[torpid rock]

I have absolutely no idea what I'm supposed to be doing. Spent 2 hours spamming g and following the bird. Got a blacksmith lady with a nice chest and that's about it

[ionic spear]

Have you joined an Enclave, yet?

[worldly widget]

Yea, I've been doing the T3, but I got the three factions to max today, so I was looking for maybe a faster XP farm. I'll try the Glades arena, thank you!

[finite stone]

It's an exploration game, so you've gotta go out and explore! You'll come across everything naturally

[torpid rock]

The bird hasn't told me to do that. I thought I was an enclave

[finite stone]

No you're an Envoy, an Enclave is a player faction you can join

Don't follow the bird unless you actually have an ongoing objective, all it'll do is lead to random stuff nearby - you need to explore new areas

[ionic spear]

You're an Envoy, there are 3 enclaves you can join.

[torpid rock]

I'm a mage there's something I get points in and have ranked up 8-9 times but other than that the game has explained absolutely nothing to me I just follow the bird

[finite stone]

I mean if you just want a list of quests to follow you can follow the walkthroughs on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Fables page? But genuinely I'd recommend just enjoying exploration unless you get really stuck

[ionic spear]

Do you know how to go to the Nightfold?

[torpid rock]

No idea what that is. Just follow the bird and press tab to go into my lake room when the wife yells at me

[ionic spear]

Okay, try hitting J and see what your journal says.

@torpid rock

[torpid rock]

I'm not in the game now. The old ghost man has a journal is that the same thing?

[ionic spear]

Sort of, though he will give you quests to go on.

[fallow arch]

oh no... shes gonna get me with that long tongue of hers.. oh no...

[ionic spear]

Those are story quests.

@torpid rock You have several choices in the game. If you can go to talk to the ghost writer, then you can go to the Nightfold. You get there either by holding <TAB> or by clicking Nightfold on the Journal page.

Once you find the Enclaves and join one of them, you can start doing quests for them to build up your reputation. Once you get high enough reputation, you can join another Enclave.

@torpid rock For now, try to follow the first few quests the ghost writer gives you. As you explore, capture motes to reveal the names of places (hold Q and tap left-mouse-button to capture a mote, once you see one). They are like small glowing balls hanging in the air near a location. (When you first come to a location with a name, you will see the name at the top of your screen, in some sort of runes that you can't read. Several pips will be above the name, one or more will have a sort of black cloud-like thing with eyes in place of the pips. However many of those black things (motes) are there tells you how many glowing motes you can find in that location for that session.

[astral pulsar]

would the medicant set be a good set for a battle mage?

[distant jungle]

I mean it's tied for the best Courage set, but armor doesn't really define playstyle at all, nor vice versa.

And it'd depend on what you mean by 'battle mage'. Pacts do have different vibes, like Mora's Hand and Garren Rood leaning towards ability spam, making them feel more like 'caster' pacts.

While Tethren and Duelo lean more towards amplifying and supporting weapon usage.

But each of those pacts can also be used very well with different virtue focuses, and that is what'll define your armor.

So it's yet again disconnected from what armor you end up wearing.

[astral pulsar]

i like playing with a staff im just trying to find a survivability build that i can do a lot without diying too much lol

[distant jungle]

Oscelda is still pretty damn good. It doesn't use skills as a primary form of attack like Mora's and Garren, but it does spam its arcanics a lot and is an incredible CC pact.

Great self healing and crowd stun potential.

[astral pulsar]

thats the pact i am using

[distant jungle]

And then for virtues it's just dependent on what weapons you want to use and what bonuses you feel are more valuable. Courage has more HP per point, Spirit gives spell CD reduction, Grace improves 'critical' damage, which is damage against unaware enemies, headshots, and finisher animations.

There's a weapon in every category for every virtue focus, though some focuses are more or less common among certain weapons.

Like, sure, there's a Courage-focused staff, but it's a Courage/Spirit hybrid, and all staves have some Spirit scaling.

Same with bows and Grace.

And most melee weapons, especially big ones, lean towards Courage.

If you end up leaning Courage, Mendi is one of the best armors for you.

For Spirit it'd be Pensive, for Grace it'd be Orengall.

[astral pulsar]

thanks i just started playing this prelude

[distant jungle]

Though Courage armor ain't in a great place right now, as Pensive is also tied for best Courage armor if you meet the Spirit req to use it.

[astral pulsar]

rn leveling seathorn

[distant jungle]

And Courage's best armor, without totems, will be around 115 instead of the 135-ish that the two other virtues hit.

[astral pulsar]

ty

[mellow iron]

hey i have a question about a quest can someone give me a hint on doing?

i figured it out 😄 with a lot of help

[clear dock]

Hey, I also have a question but regarding faction change. From the info I could gather on the wiki it seems I need to craft one of the +1 stat Talisman to change faction. Is it a one time thing ? Will I need to recraft it afterward ?
I'm almost done with Alca and would like to move on

[lavish coral]

is Gruul Seeker Sontaro still bugged?

[upbeat cradle]

gruul seeker sontaro is bugged?

[lavish coral]

aparently the agari mushroom doesnt spawn

but idk if its been fixed already

[upbeat cradle]

oooooh yeeaaaah

[lavish coral]

cus the mushroom is what gives the book log

[upbeat cradle]

yeah, still bugged

[upbeat cradle]

no? the smite does

i have every enemy of the codexicon, except the will o wisp ofc

[lavish coral]

i can NOT get the gd Sinecure officer from orengal's quest

and ive done the damn thing 3 times now

[upbeat cradle]

i got it in a few tries with the bow, destroying the ode bisulcam then timing an arrow hail, skipping cutscene and firing some arrows quickly just in case

and then quickly doing a relog

[lavish coral]

can u relog and repeat that part of the tale?

[upbeat cradle]

yuh

[lavish coral]

https://tenor.com/view/well-back-to-the-grind-back-to-the-grind-wallice-wallice-and-gromit-gromit-gif-631751254996283351

[upbeat cradle]

like when orengall kills the dude, if you do a relog then you can retry that part over and over

[solemn sequoia]

does the espadarte really drop from mestra because ive done like 20 fights at least and havent seen one yet

[timid eagle]

You don't need to re-craft it each time. It's a one and done and then you can switch freely between enclaves by visiting them.

[simple elk]

You can try siege the Fort Mirifuir

[distant jungle]

You just have to own the talisman, don't even need to wear it.

It's not consumed, they just won't talk to you until then.

I specify cus for a while many assumed you had to wear the correct talisman every time.

[fickle blade]

Hey there, i think i have an issue with faction reputation? I did a few missions to finish getting reputation and am not getting any, just 0 + rewards.
Is this a bug or is there a non disclosed daily cap to reputation?

Just making sure, because i don't want to keep trying if it's something that i can just wait up

[exotic gale]

How do I get the journal to stop resetting progress for foes and animals after logout?

[timid eagle]

There is a daily cap of 16,000. I don't know if that's what you're hitting, but yeah.

[timid eagle]

You can't, it's a bug. What's happening is that multiple journal contributions are being squashed to only count as one. If you're farming entries, you'll just have to relog after each smite. I've found the upgrades you get through Orlick's questline help, though. They lower the total number of entries you need.

[exotic gale]

That sounds incredibly awful...

[south meteor]

Best way to try to find a code?

[timid eagle]

My advice is to fight against the urge to farm them, unless there's nothing else for you to pursue. You'll get them naturally over time, save for a handful that require precise steps since they only show up in quests or have low health.

[exotic gale]

Yeah, I have nothing else to farm at this point minus leveling up the new weapons

[timid eagle]

There's a dev stream tomorrow. If you link your Twitch account on the Soulframe website and watch the stream for 30 minutes, I believe you'll get a code. https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[south meteor]

Tyvm

[granite basin]

Ran into a problem with Fungal lord- can't place toe of Ode - is there a way to reset a quest stage?

[gentle gyro]

@fickle blade sell the fractions Gifts (Standing Shop / Sell)

@fickle blade “Excess gets wasted, so don’t blow everything at once. Only do it after you’ve ranked up.”

[fickle blade]

Thanks for the tip, i guess i'll wait until reset

[exotic gale]

Are there history motes in the Rovgot Ruins? I picked up 1, but I'm not seeing anymore after relogging and redoing the dungeon

[timid eagle]

Yes, but my understanding is that their spawn chance is rare. Much rarer than the motes you ordinarily find out in the world.

[exotic gale]

Of course.... and there's like 9 of them to get

[violet slate]

I got it a few times when grinding for her armor. I can confirm it does drop. Just check the coast for shipwrecks whenever your grind takes you near one. Actively grinding for it is....an experience

[solemn sequoia]

its not terrible because the fights go by quick but the walking gets to me

ive gotten like 5 copies of all 3 armor pieces and not a single espadarte but i did get one on my first mirifuir like another guy suggested

[dire python]

tried fighting Discharged Nimrod with my crappy Orengall + Rivt-II build and it was pain

bro heals faster than I can actually damage him

and after all that he just gives me Grinn (I already have Grinn)

[distant jungle]

They only spawn a few minutes after entering, typical pre-alpha bugginess as they're also the first dungeon motes.

I farmed them by entering, sitting in the first room for a few minutes, slowly clearing the dungeon, logging out, repeating.

It's... a time.

But I had to get that delicious MR xp.

[exotic gale]

Are you saying they are time gated?

[distant jungle]

After you enter, they do not immediately spawn, there is a delay for some reason, probably not intentional.

I've been partway through a dungeon and had one blink into existence literally inches from me when I was tabbed out.

Noticed cus the twinkling noise suddenly started playing.

[exotic gale]

Did they always spawn in every run after waiting?

[distant jungle]

Nope, but it was over half of the time for me.

And I never got more than 1, though others have reported more.

[exotic gale]

Gotcha, Ill give it shot tmr

[distant jungle]

Probably have to get lucky for that though.

[dire python]

bit of a conundrum, this.

if I stick to lower level stuff it takes a WHILE to rank up these weaker weapons, but they also don't stand up well to the higher-level east side enemies

[distant jungle]

Mora's Hand and Garren Rood are good leveling pacts, as they can both deal a lot of damage just through arcanics.

Though Mora's Hand has an annoying rune bug right now.

[upbeat cradle]

also you could go to a mockery wave room

those give good xp

[distant jungle]

If you can get one to spawn yeah.

[waxen haven]

Mirifuir isn't a test of skill it's a test of patience

[dull oar]

Where can i find knotwood? It says mockery i killed afew alredy in aldurin but it keep giving me whisprig

[slate adder]

Do the Bear and Stag bosses not spawn 1 at each area? How do I know where it spawns or do I just have to run everywher to check during the super short night? lol

[spice elbow]

woah since when could I run at freaking mach 5

[timid eagle]

Gauss flashbacks reading this

[spice elbow]

LOL

since when does the camera get so close when i crouch

what happened lol

[distant jungle]

Yeah I hate the dynamic camera and wish we could turn it off, that needs to be an option.

The camera zooming in and out and my character drifting left and right in combat is awful.

Especially since it often drifts them directly in the way of my aiming reticle, making throws... interesting to aim.

I selected my FOV for a reason, it needs to stay at that FOV.

For some reason that slider is just a suggestion right now.

[spice elbow]

it is what it is ig

theres a history mote here and i CANT FIND IT AAAHAGHASHGB

nvm found it

I FOUND HIM

[slate adder]

Is there a point in crafting a weapon again?

[distant jungle]

No? Unless you just want it again.

Or for some reason got rid of it before mastering it.

[upbeat cradle]

nah

[spice elbow]

its like warframe

once you master it you wont need to make it again

unless you're sombra and you want 300 sevagoths

[upbeat cradle]

who tf is sombra

[plucky junco]

there are niche scenarios where you might want to have multiple weapons of the same kind if you want to put different joineries on them

[barren gust]

mfw I put a blessed by saphene joinery on one of my favourite weapons for the lifesteal but DE changed how joineries work now I have to change it because the virtue scaling is all off with no proper benefit

joinery shit is just like forma, but unlike in warframe I cant level a weapon to 30 in less than 5-10 minutes

[plucky junco]

i think the level reset when applying joineries was removed, but yeah, i used gildaur for the lifesteal before as well

[visual radish]

Yup pretty sure it was in one of the latest hotfixes

[barren gust]

oh beat my avakot sideways

this is very good news for the weapons that are already 30

[visual radish]

Hotfix 5 yup

[barren gust]

but unfortunately nothing can be done for those set to 0 LOL

[visual radish]

Yeahhhh

[barren gust]

also where do I get moranite

in light of this new info I want to change the virtue scaling for one of my weapons but I need the moranite for bromius

[barren gust]

yes I know the wiki provides locations, but I cant seem to reliably find it

I have much sapphene not much moranite

[visual radish]

Honestly havent even tried going for moranite, most of my issues were with gossamer quartz

[barren gust]

I have too much gossamer

[timid eagle]

I mostly see it in chests, dropped from certain enemies, or bought from the Kith of Kings.

[barren gust]

I want to keep standing for kith because I want to rank up. But Ive got piss poor luck on the chest and enemy front

[spice elbow]

well im here...

[timid eagle]

I, too, struggle to acquire Moranite. And Gossamer Quartz. Wish I could be more helpful.

[barren gust]

Literally all the goodies I want need moranite

why am I cursed as such

[sweet cypress]

i dont get it. whats so hard about getting moranite? sorry i nvr got that far i think idk

[spice elbow]

guys i feel like ive been the same strength since i started playing

like the most i have is some lvled up weapons and runes on them

but my armor is the same, my main sword is still the same

[distant jungle]

That'll change.

A lot.

I am leagues beyond anything possible at the start.

[spice elbow]

well the enemies are certainly getting stronger and im not

[plucky junco]

are you spending points in your pacts and weapon trees?

[spice elbow]

yeah

[barren gust]

the hard part is not getting it

[spice elbow]

but i rarely get points for that anyways

[sweet cypress]

Then?

[plucky junco]

it's been a while since i've started, but i do think player power might be a bit lopsided right now
if you aren't feeling like you're progressing, it might just take some time to level up more or find a configuration that does feel powerful
but that's just my subjective take on it

[rose apex]

Are Gathannan frag drops intentionally has low droprate, so that we can spend arcs for the weapon? lol

[spice elbow]

aaaaaand the game's glitched

[spice elbow]

currently the weapon that feels the strongestt is the sidearm shortsword

the throwing daggers feel comically weak and janky and the longsword is just too slow for me

[spice elbow]

no like its actually glitched

[distant jungle]

Yeah that's a soft lock that's been making rounds.

Have to just close the game, sadly.

[spice elbow]

yeah i did

[distant jungle]

Should hopefully be fixed soon, I figure stuff like that is a priority.

[spice elbow]

another thing ill add is that the game just hardly tells you anything when it comes to getting stronger

doesnt tell you where to find things, doesnt tell you how to find fragments for gear, doesnt tell you what half of the french girl's stuff does, etc

[barren gust]

then that's just it, its just the matter of doodoo rng that makes it hard to get

saphenne is just the blue version of moranite and the game seems to think I need more of it than moranite

[sweet cypress]

Ooo fair fair

[plucky junco]

that's a common feedback point unfortunately, hopefully when the codex gets updates, things get easier in the future 🙏

[sweet cypress]

Bro i bought the founders for the courage class thing and a weapon i made feels stronger than the one I bought

Also bought cos like the codes to give to friends

[distant jungle]

Yeah the wyld weapons aren't anything special.

Idk why they were all made to be solidly meh.

Given that it's not even a permanent exclusive.

[sweet cypress]

Sadness

But eh it is what it is

[barren gust]

I can understand why, cant have paid items be automatic best in class

its meh, but it aint shit

[sweet cypress]

Ok at least better then something you can get day 1 playing the game

[plucky junco]

i don't think they were ever intended to be top-tier or anything, just mostly premium appearance, for better or worse

[sweet cypress]

The Solaris or smt i forgot name is better already

[sweet cypress]

And you can get those fragments first day playing if you fight enough stuff

I'll probably still spend time lvling the sword cos it looks damn cool

[visual radish]

Have you managed to raise your account level? Also i'd look into joineries since they help with weapon scaling

[spice elbow]

whats a joinery, and also my account level says 3- wait how did that level up

[distant jungle]

My point was that it runs no threat of being pay to win cus DE ain't gonna do exclusive stuff like that, which is good.

And these weapons are supposed to be very lore-important.

So it's a lil disappointing to have them be so meh.

[spice elbow]

YYEEESSSS FINALLY THE SPEAR FROM PRELUDE 8 THAT FOR SOME REASON THEY TOOK AWAY FROM US

[visual radish]

Joinery is like an upgrade for your weapons
It adds more stats scaling to a weapon depending on the joinery

Also account level comes from: discovering places, uncovering location names, unstabbing the trees, and leveling up gear

[visual radish]

You apply joineries in that tab that says reforge btw (just taking advantage of the screenshot)

[spice elbow]

oooohhh those are what these are for

[visual radish]

Ye

[spice elbow]

just ran out of scrap making the spear so uh thats gonna wait

[barren gust]

I agree with your point, but imo the reason why theyre just meh is because DE doesnt want to run that kind of p2w exclusivity thing

[barren gust]

Im not too in tune with soulframe lore, how are they important?

[distant jungle]

There is no p2w exclusivity thing, that is what I'm saying.

They'll be available to farm sometime after founders ends.

[barren gust]

OH! I completely forgot

no more excal prime shenanigans

[distant jungle]

They're the weapons of the first envoys, those who personally served Alora and eventually betrayed her.

[barren gust]

maybe thats why theyre so weak

Traitor weapons dont need to be so strong to backstab

[distant jungle]

I mean, they were crafted from pieces of the fey empress's own body.

Like one being made out of a femur.

[barren gust]

oh uh... weak because you killed her?

[distant jungle]

Ah nah she's alive.

[barren gust]

idk maybe they'll buff them after founders end

[distant jungle]

Just left cus madge.

[barren gust]

man, I need to take some time to read soulframe lore

for some reason warframe is much easier

its all in the codex aint it

[distant jungle]

We see her briefly in the founders trailer I think? In an Ode cage, so they managed to find and capture her.

But she's been gone from Midrath, either literally gone or in hiding, for like a thousand years.

Cus the first envoys betrayed her.

And the rest of the fey left with her.

Midrath being the island, one she personally shaped, Alca being the planet.

Looking to perhaps become space mom 2.0.

Also voiced by the VA of Shadowheart, which I find hilarious.

[barren gust]

DE really just collecting BG3 VAs huh

[distant jungle]

I'm ready to be sassed by a tiny, angy fey empress lady.

Cus iirc she looks super short.

[barren gust]

Oh frieren kinda short huh?

[spice elbow]

guys wtf is operatiion organ

[distant jungle]

This is her in the cage, she just looks kinda small.

Honestly probably around there yeah.

Would be my guess at least.

[barren gust]

tiny... and... Oh God shes not some shade of blue right

like shes a paleish grey yea?

[distant jungle]

There's an actual picture of her concept art somewhere.

[plucky junco]

it's an activity where you have to shut down the big gas-spewing building thingy

[distant jungle]

Idk if I have the energy to look for it tho.

[barren gust]

break the Organ

[plucky junco]

it's optional and you can do each one every three hours

[distant jungle]

Looks blue, which makes sense, given that she is a fey.

And the envoy's fey arm is similarly blue and ceramic-y.

[barren gust]

Oh God

its the orokin all over again

[visual radish]

All i can think of when i see alora is "headcrab, apply directly to the forehead"

[distant jungle]

Yeah idk if that's just a very unique choice of headwear or actually part of her head.

[warm gazelle]

whats going on im not respawning but lightning is striking everywhree

[spice elbow]

I FINALLY DID IIIITTTTTTTTT

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS

[warm gazelle]

i destroyed all these cylinders what do i do next

[spice elbow]

did you kill the bannerett

[warm gazelle]

the one that comes outside? yes

[spice elbow]

go to the top of the tower

[warm gazelle]

OHHH Ok i see it

[plucky junco]

breaking those tubes should just be for the chest outside in the "mouth" i think, it's not needed for the objective of going up and replacing the conductor

[warm gazelle]

ok i got to this part and its just having me press buttons and enemies spawn, am i missing anything else?

[plucky junco]

you should be able to aim at some glowing spots on the structure to blow it up

[warm gazelle]

is there a way to farm for Skilter?

[tender bone]

what do i do here

[plucky junco]

is that the first room in the crypt, and are you looking to get that coffin up there?

[tender bone]

yeah

[plucky junco]

there should be a switch you can hit with a ranged attack
if you go up the stairs on the right side of the room in that image and head to the corner, you should see it on the other side of the room

sorry, it might be a bit hard to describe 🤐

[tender bone]

thank u

[agile horizon]

do notes give mastery?

i have just seven more weapons to master and i think there's no way they'll get me to 18

[vagrant kayak]

Notes do not AFAIK but histories do

[agile horizon]

i do have them all, and all the dungeons are on the map

i don't have the castle and the island tree, but you ain't even supposed to have them in the first place

[vagrant kayak]

Including the ones in the new Rovgut Ruins?

[agile horizon]

ye

[vagrant kayak]

Then those 7 weapons may be enough, I'm not 100% sure how much account XP Founders is total

[agile horizon]

oh, i'm not a founder

i mean, i am, just not for the soulframe. One would think that they'd do a hook up for the warframe founders, but instead i was welcomed by the sign that my money ain't good enough to take because i'm personally guilty of war crimes

and DE does work with xsolla that is perfectly operational here

i mean one would think that if some kerfuffle is upsetting someone, that this someone would give you incentives for sitting it out

eh, what can you do

[dire python]

Finished the Wreck of Mestra Carmo

Unfortunately I need a bit more Moranite to craft the Pact

[agile horizon]

just do a couple of chest runs

it's really fun

one of the best pacts

[barren gust]

mind elaborating? Im in need of moranite

[plucky junco]

please don't ask for keys here, there'll be a stream in less than half a day where you can get an invite through the twitch drop if you can make it

[vernal field]

sorry i already have the game the key isnt for me tho but i respect that anyway

[plucky junco]

if you already have access, the code you get from the twitch drop can be shared with someone else, or you can try to get the person you want to invite to catch the stream themselves

[vernal field]

okay thanks

[plucky junco]

best of luck 🙏

[agile horizon]

you get 1-2 rare resources from the chests. Guaranteed~ish from the med and rare chests (can be replaced by the money) and sometimes even from the common chests. It ain't always moranite, but afaik that's my main source of it. I just open all the chests

i mean that's me. I see perfectly valid trash left unturned and something in me goes "absolutely not". Apparently not everyone is that way

But i have all the moranite i could ever need, so

[barren gust]

any place you frequent, or is it but simply the way of the loot goblin that provides

[agile horizon]

just do votives and dungeons

any excuse to run between the chest spawns will do

you do need more moranite, so i suspect the split is even, i just used less sappheline

[vagrant kayak]

It's not called Lessanite is it

[agile horizon]

true

[knotty trail]

Hello, was this stream announced somewhere? I think I've missed the announcement

[plucky junco]

it should have been, but this is the event for it if you're worried:
https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[knotty trail]

Oh so envoy hour gives keys as well? I thought its only the occasional dev stream updates

Thanks for that!

[grim falcon]

how much do history motes contribute to overall envoy level? if max mastery is 18.5 roughly right now will history motes be like 1 level 2 levels etc

[agile horizon]

it is a massive chunk of mastery

if i had to guess, it would be as much mastery as leveling all the weapons

but we have zero numbers to base our speculations upon, just rough measurements

and given the way mastery works in warframe, "couple levels off the top" would amount to between a third and a half too

we do know that it is escalating, like in warframe, we do know that the curve is different. We do not know different how exactly

i would be surprised if you could get above 14 if you remove all the map mastery

i would not get surprised if you could get to 14 by just unlocking the map while completely avoiding leveling your gear (if it's possible)

[gentle arch]

paint me like one of your french ode

[grim falcon]

it was more of the opposite how high could i get without all the discovery.. because motes are such a pia to find

[ripe sonnet]

is it safe to assume that primary weapons level faster when not equipping a secondary?

[astral pulsar]

how do you start a siege? i got a alca's children virtue to do a siege but i can't get in or anything. there is 1 door that doesn't open

[finite stone]

You start them just by approaching them! It should give you a HUD popup, like this one:

[astral pulsar]

lol thanks i was jut around it not in front

[astral pulsar]

is there an actual autorun in the game?

[sly escarp]

There is not autorun currently

[finite stone]

There is not, but you can (technically at your own risk) set up a macro to hold shift + W which does work if you're happy with it!

DE have quite a strong stance against automation of gameplay - for example setting up macros to cast wf ability sequences etc - but this is the kind of input that is more of an accessibility / carpal-tunnel-avoidance thing and should not flag anything on that side of things

[astral pulsar]

ty no macros then lol

[finite stone]

That's fair, it's the safest bet hahaha

[astral pulsar]

i accidentally found a way but wont use it lol

[sour garnet]

Great question. I've been wondering the same myself. That's how it works in warframe, but idk if it's the same system in soulframe

[sly escarp]

So, this is a whole thing that might take a second to answer, but briefly: in multiplayer it probably will, in solo probably not.

The XP split works almost identically to Warframe: the weapon you get the kill with/have in hand during Smites gets half the XP, the rest to your pact. Same as in Warframe. But XP from ally kills is split evenly among all your equipment, same as in Warframe. Same with Objective XP

Soulframe usually doesn't have enough Objective XP to reasonably make a difference unequipping a weapon though.

Personally wouldn't unequip a sidearm regardless though. Having a backup weapon is worth it imo.

[frigid mountain]

hello when will this be released on steam

[sour garnet]

Honestly, I'm thinking about only equiping a sidearm in multiplayer arena runs, because leveling sidearms has been pretty painfully slow so far

[sly escarp]

Just means you probably aren't using your Sidearm enough!

[sly escarp]

No set release date for steam yet

Hopefully sometime this year the Pre Alpha or Alpha will drop on Steam, but that's not certain.

[jade otter]

Actually speaking of Steam. How're things running on SteamOS or Linux in general? Anyone got any experience with that? I've been running on my main rig with windows but getting this set up on a deck or the upcoming machine shouldn't be too bad.

[smoky crater]

From what i've heard works as good as on windows on linux pretty sure but dunno about steam OS

[digital turret]

Does anyone know how mob levels scale in Coga? Is it based on the count of bosses killed or the time spent inside?

[smoky crater]

Wait yeah steamdeck... Have also heard that it runs fairly well on that too on like low/medium presets

[smoky crater]

Every agari you kill increases the level

[digital turret]

How many kills does it take to even reach level 100 mobs?

[smoky crater]

that i dont know

[sour garnet]

The only side arms I use regularly in my rotation are the flyblades for smite fishing. Other than that, I haven't found a good reason to use sidearms over primaries when they do less damage and I can effectively manage groups of enemies with just my primary and pact abilities

Plus for agari, sidearms run into armor issues and end up not being worth using. Unless I'm not looking at it the right way, I can't find a use for them

[sour garnet]

Test and report your findings, for science

[smoky crater]

1 reason would be for example when using a bow or magick weapon and a group gets close to you, could switch to melee at that point with a sidearm

Or at range, if you have a melee primary, using a magick sidearm

[sour garnet]

That's valid, I'll give it a try

[sly escarp]

And that's totally fair, but if your goal is to level a sidearm, you have to use said sidearm

Otherwise it won"t get any XP

[smoky crater]

That too yeah

[halcyon thicket]

2 levels per agari

[digital turret]

I've killed around 30 bosses already, but the mob level hasn't gone up.

[halcyon thicket]

In cogah?

[digital turret]

yes

[halcyon thicket]

Also there's apparently a bug that resets enemy level if u go in dungeons

[halcyon thicket]

Well it did go up a bit

Is that moon's watch

[digital turret]

Well, that makes sense then. I'm constantly going into dungeons to take down bosses, so that must be why the level is stuck.

[shell smelt]

I love digital extremes

[iron rose]

im new here and got my first pc a few days ago and was hyped for soulframe but when i go to log in it said i wasnt invited to play?

[half talon]

You will need a code in order to play the game. You can get a code a few different ways: sign up in Soulframe.com and wait for the invite, watch the next dev stream or envoy hour (next one is in approx 3.5 hours from right now), get gifted a code from another player (no begging allowed though for access in this discord) or purchase a founder’s pack and get codes for you and your friends.

[iron rose]

well darn, okay thank you so much.

[sweet quartz]

Only thirty bucks for a single pact founder pack. For a game that's a super good deal imo

[half talon]

It is steam region priced so not everyone pays the exact same, but based on their local currency, but I agree.

[sweet quartz]

Plus then you're supporting a game that's got a great wealth of potential (God this game has made me a shill)

[sweet quartz]

Good point

[vestal oriole]

so i got the collector event and no enemies spawn, but wiki says a thunderstonr on the cage can skip this, where do i find one?

ah i need to get a creat down

[finite stone]

You get them from certain Sparrow's Tales when you have an objective to destroy a Bisulcam - it's a bit of a weird interaction, not one you often encounter unless you mean to do it haha

And yeah the spawns was a separate thing, you just had to start it off ^^

[fathom lance]

Not sure if this is the right channel for it but does anyone know how I can best optimize the game for my computer?

[naive cloud]

the graphics presets will help you a lot, once you pick one that seems like it runs well I'd suggest tweaking the custom settings and trying different things out bit by bit, it's a lengthy process but that would be your best option

unfortunately there isn't a "one click wonder" solution for that kind of thing in this game (or most games tbf unfortunately)

[smoky crater]

Volumetric fog is a notably demanding setting which i'd suggest keeping at Low (not off, looks wack imo if it is) with a minimal visual impact

[mild oracle]

.0

[proper crystal]

so why does armour take up storage space in the new system? just to punish people who like to collect stuff?

[sly escarp]

It seems the armor will be getting the random roll treatment as well, would be the personal guess

[distant jungle]

Incentivizes collectors to spend more arcs to fit everything and also puts pressure on fashion-focused players to spend money on bestitching to keep an armor's appearance around, rather than save it for later.

[proper crystal]

surely they didn't forget to allow use to sell it right?

[sly escarp]

The notes said they added a sell button for all items that can be reacquired

[wet tulip]

lmao free treefell on the new blunt mace

oh boi

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11458-soulframe-preludes-145-oden-tempers/

[proper crystal]

great

the points to spend thing is permanent

because i have the long blade tree maxed out

[tropic charm]

is it just me or does it seem like in the recent preludes DE's solution to flawed systems is replacing them with systems that are even more flawed

[proper crystal]

not just you

well, i only got 40 arcs refunded

[tropic charm]

like i haven't played the new patch yet but by reading the patch notes it sounds like DE is putting a bandage on only to then take a shotgun and shoot the bandaged area

[unkempt sigil]

shockingly reminiscent of how warframe used to be

[edgy sigil]

we all play this "preludes" version with the agreement that everything in the game is subject to change

[unkempt sigil]

I don't know why they'd focus on this kinda stuff rn anyways when, like, it's alpha. build the game out more first, surely? we've been havin' to run on foot everywhere for how long now?

[mortal mango]

Csn we just get a simplr release date?

[proper crystal]

aaaaaand you can't sell armour

[zenith knoll]

enemy codex breaks the game a little, don't open it if you can help it

[summer kraken]

What was wrong with the prisms :c, now I gotta get a consumable Item in order to re shape my loadout

[unkempt sigil]

that has to be an oversight, surely

[cursive lotus]

i have increasingly mixed feelings about every subsequent alteration to the virtue system lol

[unkempt sigil]

oh they did the thing!!!! This is genuinely what I was wishin' the soulframe team would do, I'm honestly stoked to see actual information conveyed ingame

[final rock]

it feels like we've gone back to assigning virtue points, but you have to spend resources to do it

[wet tulip]

lol

[tropic charm]

when half the changes are flawed, the prospect of even more changes isn't a hopeful one

[cursive lotus]

"you can adjust your stats normally"
to
"now you must use our preset doohickeys"
to
"you can adjust your stats normally but now you must pay the toll or go to prison"

[unkempt sigil]

oh that's great, just enough so that you can't even buy it w/ the starting plat arcs 🤦

[proper crystal]

you start with 150, no?

[summer kraken]

100

[proper crystal]

rip

[unkempt sigil]

I have 100 currently and haven't bought anything, so

[cursive lotus]

i don't really understand what the point of this system is

[final rock]

kinda feels like their just trying random stuff and seeing what happens

[novel stag]

Wait is the new loot system out today??

[tropic charm]

also keep in mind with both of these new systems new players can't change their archetype!

you chose tethren but you want to try a caster build? too bad you straight up can't change your virtues

[cursive lotus]

oop, there it is. armor is now storage slot reliant too. too bad i didn't know they would merge that or i would have overcrafted lol

[wet tulip]

ooooh GREAT ......

[sweet quartz]

Getting to the secret island in the north west just got a whole lot easier

[unkempt sigil]

just for the new mace, currently

[novel stag]

Oof, nice. ty

[sly matrix]

WOOOT?! Halfway Prelude drop?! 😮

[simple ivy]

I know that some Warframe players are all about stats and math. It's what they live for. They consider moving around mods and stacking abilities to be most of the fun.
I was never one of those people, but I can understand how hyperbeaming a pidgy can be a source of joy.

[wet tulip]

now ill have that message for ever and i cant get rid of it .....

[sweet quartz]

Oh no it me

[final rock]

oh armor now requires storage? why?

[cursive lotus]

tbh, armor taking up storage slots is a bit more punishing than just warframe slots because we have three armor pieces per set so it's like having to pay for three warframe slots per warframe

[unkempt sigil]

I can understand that, but it feels like there's just a lot more stuff what needs fleshing out before they go crazy teakin' the old stuff, especially in such a haphazard and annoying way

[proper crystal]

except it's only 3 arcs per slot

[wet tulip]

and f2p cant get any xD. atleast as of now

[unkempt sigil]

wait prisms are GONE gone?

[cursive lotus]

yeah we've gone back to manual stat adjustment

[proper crystal]

f2p starts with 50 slots at least

[sweet quartz]

Yeah, now you can rebalance to whatever

[cursive lotus]

but now you have to have a doohickey to burn every single time you want to change stats at all

[unkempt sigil]

oh this is actually asinine

[cursive lotus]

so wait, does this mean all of my old storage slots i had were added on top of the default 50

[wet tulip]

or have some loadout slots

the new prisms are the loadouts xD

[cursive lotus]

huh.

[wicked stream]

This is........ Horrible, wtf DE?

[unkempt sigil]

"Capacity Conversion
To account for Weapon and Pact Capacity being combined, Envoys will automatically receive Storage Capacity Bundles in increments of 50 based on their previously owned Weapon and Pact Capacity.

All currently owned equipment, including Armour, has also been granted matching Storage Capacity, so your existing items remain covered.

Arc Refunds
Previously purchased Weapon and Pact Capacity has been refunded.

Since Weapon and Pact Capacity have been converted into Storage Capacity Bundles, the final Arc refund amount has been reduced by the Arc value of the Storage Capacity added to your account.

Envoys will not be charged any excess Arcs if the cost of an added Storage Capacity Bundle exceeds the refund amount."

[wet tulip]

noice xDDDDD

[cursive lotus]

lmao

[simple ivy]

An alternative I'm reminded of is from Phantasy Star Online where a player could play to gain a semi-premium resource, and use that to unlock storage slots for the week. It didn't take too much, but I never took the hint how that was the intent, so when my inventory filled up I just stopped playing since I didn't know what to sell.
Always appreciated Warframe's infinite resource storage feature.

[hasty garden]

Do you not just set up multiple loadouts?

[flint meadow]

Dear lord, what have they done to my beautiful prisms? 😢

[unkempt sigil]

fwiw, I just logged in and did start with nearly 30 but.... yeah this is dumb. unless they get locked in per loadout w/o consuming any, this is... yeah...

[cursive lotus]

they put the prisms where they put my motes: into hell

[tropic charm]

oh boy, for some reason my grace was lowered by 1 so now i have to spend my consumables for 1 more grace so that i dont die to basic enemies! great system DE!

[edgy sigil]

y'know they could have just said "we're reverting the prisms back"

[wicked stream]

There didn't need to be a consumable tied to that though.

[wet tulip]

yes most likely per loadout

[wise elm]

its per loadout

[unkempt sigil]

honestly I did kinda like the prism thing, it felt like a unique way to interact w/ stats

[summer kraken]

Or even better, give us an empty prism and we could customize that one, and keep the prisms

[unkempt sigil]

yeah, I thought they were keeping prisms and letting you make fine adjustments on top of them for few points either way

[wet tulip]

ngl they should have made virtue allocation like this new system ( BUT FREE) and make prism slots to insert different passive prisms

[unkempt sigil]

you know, middle of the road change, test the waters

[dry thicket]

What the... I was actually starting to like this damn thing. Now they go and make it WORSE

[simple ivy]

I never interacted with prisms. But to be fair, my interaction with the game so far has been going through the main quest line, playing the seasonal thing with the birds, exploring the map, then gathering plants and animals with no idea what to do with them.

[zenith knoll]

anyone who got the new mace, what's the quality of yours? got a military-grade one

[pale marsh]

anyone on linux having issues w lutris/wine?

[final rock]

do accessories consume storage?

[unkempt sigil]

armor yes, talisman no

[final rock]

honestly armor taking slots is real shit, ignoring the inability to sell since that will prob be fixed quickly, as it punishes you taking up 9 slots for each best for virtue and force you to burn the transmog currency or waste storage space strong-arming you into paying for arcs

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-fassbender-perfection-x-men-9WXyFIDv2PyBq

[slender glacier]

Wait, witih hte Virtue Liths. Does that mean we can't easily switch between Virtues as we change classes? o_O

[agile horizon]

what can i do to remove the "upgrades available" banner?

[distant jungle]

Yes.

[final rock]

each loadout has its own "prism"

[distant jungle]

You don't.

[final rock]

how many loadouts do you get by default?

[wet tulip]

essentially guys prisms got renamed into loadouts

[slender glacier]

If I'm understanding it correctly, not a fan of this

[final rock]

yeah its just the worst of prisms + customization imo

[slender glacier]

At least with mods we could swap them around with ease, and modify our warframe with ease. And practice with them.

[agile horizon]

well then Steve better shit out at least 33 more pips worth of stuff, cause i hate that banner

[lavish coral]

so we hated prisms and now we hate NOT having prisms? i dont understand the logic XD

[opal fable]

has anyone found the new enemy in the codex?

[slender glacier]

Just because you hate something, doesn't mean you can't hate something else more

[summer kraken]

For a price

[lament path]

Different people but also consumeables for stat control is worse than vague control

[agile horizon]

it's even more ironic cause for a lot of us DE won't even take our money in the first place

[summer kraken]

I hate getting slapped, and now Im getting punched in the gut

[lament path]

Full control is nicer, consumeables just makes it.. really weird

[slate adder]

Am I crazy or in Stroaic, did they add new landscape stuff?

[slender glacier]

Imo, just give us a type of animal that controls our stats. Give it RNG % on teh stats, and we can swap out the animals however we want.

Just another thing to grind, and eventually we have full control

[wet tulip]

the slider is good. the fact you need to grind for tokens to change virtue points is the hated part xD

OR spend cash for more slots xD

[agile horizon]

what are those? they got launched from the orbit, opened up but nothing came out of them

[opal fable]

are the tokens even hard to get? they are a siege reward after all

[wet tulip]

yea but if 1 siege give 1 token xd?

imagine how many you need to do to not care

[opal fable]

you only need 1 per loadout slot right? unless you want to swap a lot in 1 loadout

[wet tulip]

thats the point there isnt enough free loadout slots to have the same old prism number

[agile horizon]

ye, thos things

[opal fable]

also siege is not a 100% reward for these things, i just did mirifuir and did not get one

[agile horizon]

has someone figured out what they do yet?

[lavish coral]

one of them had ode enemies in it for me

my clip missed it

[agile horizon]

is this permanent?

[trim oriole]

Only Curlail drops them big man

[opal fable]

oh nvm then

[agile horizon]

the bear just appeared behind me, sitting in the field

[trim oriole]

yes

[agile horizon]

almost permanent

[wet tulip]

lol wut

[opal fable]

anyone found the new ode boy yet?

[agile horizon]

that's uuuugh

oh, that's 24 hours, ain't it?

[wet tulip]

23 i think

[lament path]

23 yeah

[agile horizon]

and it still doesn't say how much the increase is in the inventory

[wet tulip]

check the wep stats in your inventory

or it doesnt even show there lol?

[agile horizon]

oooooh, it shows the current virtue value on attuned weapons, yeah

didn't do that before

3 per for 23 hours

neat

[wet tulip]

ummm

who can this be lol

[smoky crater]

Yo mama

[summer kraken]

Mirifuir mages?

[smoky crater]

[wet tulip]

nope

[trim oriole]

Elite sinecure starcaller

[wet tulip]

what you smited?

[trim oriole]

i had it already when i logged in

[unique karma]

Not a fan of 'hey we're making stat reallocation a consumeable' But mybeit isn't so bad.

[opal fable]

i think this is the complete entry

[wet tulip]

ah i see they added a new enemy i guess

[unique karma]

So how do we see how many inventory slots we actually have?

[wet tulip]

sadge this is still here to hunt us

[wet tulip]

go to the camel and look in the "buy slots" tab

you should see how many you currently have

[opal fable]

this and the axe officer and not available right?

[unique karma]

Given warframe just SHOWS you how many inventory slots you have left why the loss of functionality

[wet tulip]

this is my position rn

[opal fable]

exact same for me

[wet tulip]

pre 14.5 i only was missing the floating cabbages

[opal fable]

oh yeah i do have a different ode boy missing

[trim oriole]

when i click these 2 in the codex it bugs my game out lol

[opal fable]

i miss one of the antler on shoulder dudes

[hexed spoke]

I don't understand why we need consumbles for stats

[trim oriole]

actually anything on the lower end

[summer kraken]

Whats this now?

[trim oriole]

one of these gold ones?

[final rock]

xp

[opal fable]

my ordering is different so i have no clue

also when i click on half the entries it just bugs

[trim oriole]

same

if it has a long name its the guy at the end of orengal quest

[sharp cove]

The new quality thing is only for the new mace right?

[trim oriole]

yeah

[final rock]

dang mines only got one temper. guess you gotta grind a bunch of em to get a good version.

[sharp cove]

What's the best quality of the new mace?

[wet tulip]

umm

[opal fable]

they drop just from normal mace elites or only bannerets?

[final rock]

ngl I don't think I like the idea or its potential future addition to all equipment

[wet tulip]

so theres totems that arent for weapons now xd?

[lavish coral]

idk what ranks these craftworks go up too

[final rock]

ive got a military w one temper

[lavish coral]

i got an Officer with 3

[sly escarp]

Until p15 when it applies to all gear

[agile horizon]

xp progression of the currently equipped weapon

[lavish coral]

does this mean every weapon will have a rarity system?!?

[wet tulip]

xD

[final rock]

god I hope they don't

[wet tulip]

so not only bromius

[sly escarp]

Seems like it

[winter glen]

What this chains do in the DG?

[trim oriole]

i wish weapons like orst need to go into like a scrap pile you need to claim from

[lavish coral]

oh im never gonna recover from this

[agile horizon]

oh we're going borderlands with this one, me likey

[trim oriole]

cant be having like 30 of them in my inventory having to keep deleting them

[opal fable]

is there a button to enable/disable the hud?

[final rock]

" Orst-III, with its new defining features, will only need to be levelled once, no matter how many versions you have!

Our goal is to bring these changes to the rest of Alca’s weapons in the future! "

[sly escarp]

Just spend 150 arcs on 50 more slots XD

Although, apparently they cap at 300 slots total?

[trim oriole]

you need to relog, i assume you clicked somthing in the codex, it bugs ut

[lavish coral]

yup verified it myself

[opal fable]

ah that sucks

[sly escarp]

Which...isn't enough for all the warframe melees, let alone weapons

So that seems a bit risky

[wet tulip]

didnt test i just like my "69 free slots number" xDD

[winter glen]

Can someone explain pls? I pull 3 but nothing happend

[agile horizon]

they prob don't want you to spend all your plat on slots accidentally, and you only have like 270 things in soulframe to store atm

[opal fable]

has anyone else seen non alerted bannerets michael jackson leaning?

[sly escarp]

They might have been empty

[agile horizon]

why yours is a woof and mine was a bear

[lavish coral]

Oh man. Orst-III with Treefell is busted XD

[final rock]

beyblade

[lavish coral]

i think its random

[trim oriole]

My wife got 4 tempers first try lol

[wet tulip]

i think its random. depending on what fables you completed

[lavish coral]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-window-gif-9927436

[final rock]

wow swimmings slow

[agile horizon]

i mean, i assume that we both completed all of them

[lavish coral]

from where?!?

[trim oriole]

Gwenth

[wet tulip]

correct. could be locations then?

[knotty imp]

what's this weird new thing under my arcanic ui

[agile horizon]

xp tracking

top's the pact and bottom's the currently equipped weapon

[opal fable]

what is a good spot to farm this new mace?

[final rock]

the bannerett agari near the spider

[slate adder]

ngl, got it on my second banneret in the south east

[agile horizon]

at least we can eyeball now how much xp what things give

would it kill steve to add xp numbers back?

[slate adder]

is this the only weapon with tempers rn?

[final rock]

still waiting for ability duration to be somewhere on the UI

[zenith knoll]

are we all getting military-grade maces then?

wonder if the quality can go beyond that

[trim oriole]

my wife got one that is officer grade

[scarlet cargo]

anyone know a relog spot where these spawn consistantly? they can drop the weapon

[agile horizon]

does that mean military grade or what does it mean?

[opal fable]

they often spawn in the castle in the south

[agile horizon]

cause military grade means lowest bidder that can supply up to spec

[trim oriole]

here at the castle entrace

[zenith knoll]

"officer" craftwork in English, my bad my game is in FR

[candid star]

Hey, so- question about Virtues- I need a refresher since it’s rotated back into the games I wanna play-

So- reading the lil’ tool tip it basically says “Courage=life+melee, Spirit=cooldowns, and Grace=Headshot and stealth”- am I understanding this right? And- also- what’s the material letting me rebalance my virtues, and how can I get it? For some reason I have 13 (used one to do a Spirit/Grace split), but don’t know why I have it

[frozen edge]

I feel like they could have anticipated the perma "upgrades available" banner if you have maxed out weapon arts with bonus points

[opal fable]

i would love to spent my 38 spare long blade points if i could

[trim oriole]

when Orst drops from normal enemies its just on the floor lol

[agile horizon]

ye, and when you pick it up it doesn't say what grade it is

[sharp cove]

The max stats of the new mace are legendary with 6 tempers right?

[coarse sedge]

How do Joineries work nowadays? I used one to bless my weapon with 3 Spirit pips. If I use another joinery of the same type, would that give me six pips?

[agile horizon]

just got mine from the floor from the first mace officer

[trim oriole]

bro this one is crazy

[agile horizon]

i guess military grade means military grade, cause mine is shite lmao

[light siren]

Playing game for first time am i stuck witht he pact i choose or can i change later

[wet tulip]

umm new icon xD?

[agile horizon]

you get them from fables and syndicates

[agile horizon]

does that apply to throws?

[slate adder]

Might be showing the banneret you found? I had it happen after finding a courier guy randomly

[light siren]

ok so i get a choice of 3 at the beginning but i guess i get more later kinda like warframe im guessing where yyou can switch bretween them

[wet tulip]

weird i havent entered the glades since the update xD

guess it asks me to enter to find out

[slate adder]

lol, maybe something else I don't know yet lol

[agile horizon]

EXACTLY like in warframe, ye

[light siren]

is this a controller or keyboard anbd mouse game would you say

[opal fable]

you can pickpocket the mace, it kinda just flies out of them lmao

[winter glen]

What is this? Jus drop in frotn of me like a elevator

[tropic charm]

huh?

[cold idol]

I like the RNG Temper with the new mace.

[agile horizon]

i mean i heard people complaining about not having enough buttons on a controller?

[sly escarp]

What the...

[trim oriole]

yes

[sly escarp]

This isn't a Photoshop right?

[agile horizon]

just checked all my weapons, don't have this bug

[tropic charm]

no but im pretty sure it's just visual bug cause those 2 r also on the only mace drop i've gotten

[tiny meadow]

Are they still dropping keys?

[agile horizon]

but i found another one - they forgot to remove a string that gives you the prism first time you talk to the syndicate leader

you get the starter prisms back when you talk to them again

[sly escarp]

Can you bug report this pls?

[agile horizon]

but you can't use them

[opal fable]

so the best quality mace is moon steel

[tiny meadow]

I just want a key 😔

[opal fable]

wonder how rare it is

[wet tulip]

lol

[final rock]

currently a twitch stream you can get a drop from

[tiny meadow]

Watching it rn

[lavish smelt]

i dont think this is intended

[tiny meadow]

How rare is it?

[opal fable]

you get it after 30 min, just make sure to have your account linked

[final rock]

you get twitch drops by watching for a certain amount of time and having ur account linked

[sly escarp]

Reforging the mace by chance?

[light siren]

seems like theres a few glitches with the bow

[frozen edge]

newly forged weapons are showing tempers in inventory screen. but not equip screen

[scarlet cargo]

first officer and 4 temper

[tropic charm]

trying to figure out how to recreate it and it seems to only be happening on espadarte

[frozen edge]

I got a cenotap with a smite temper

[light siren]

anyway to change crosshaior colour

[opal fable]

man i really hope they let us upgrade/swap tempers at some point

[sly escarp]

Does it relate to hovering over the mace first maybe?

[lavish smelt]

yeah

[tropic charm]

it fixed itself?

[sly escarp]

#1438224825113120788 time!

[hot oriole]

Do pact kills give weapon xp?

[sly escarp]

does the bug report dance

[lavish smelt]

im not sure if it affects anything, i didnt go through with it

[frozen edge]

yeah, hover bug

but only showing up on newly forged weapons for me, weird interaction

[agile horizon]

ye, you get the prompts about prisms when talking to all of them, just checked. Sadly, they don't give the extra respecs or let you use those prisms

[wet tulip]

lol i found a second orengall

[light siren]

i have no idea which pact i wanna start with any suggestions ill probably be playing alone most the tiem

[scarlet cargo]

strait orstin it

ooo

[hot oriole]

what does craftwork mean, is there now rng to how good a weapon is?

[analog vessel]

anyone know what the different craftwork tiers are?

[opal fable]

apparently moon steel is the highest quality

[scarlet cargo]

more scaling so far

currently +2 (double for heavy) difference for me but i don't have super high courage

[frozen edge]

anyone else not seeing animals spawn at organs?

[lavish smelt]

the new update is really interesting

[opal fable]

so farming the 2 spawns at the south castle seems to mostly drop military

[lavish smelt]

voltaic "enhancement" i guess as a temper

[viscid jacinth]

Hi, is there a way to reset or create a new character to start fresh ?

[wet tulip]

ummm

[analog vessel]

dude where are you even finding these things

[wet tulip]

roaming around the map

its like random encounters

[zenith knoll]

tempers showing on weapons other than the mace is a visual bug

[opal fable]

so you can get officer tier weapons with only 2 tempers

[zenith knoll]

wtf??? for me it was zenith who did the exact same thing

[frozen edge]

water seems to give some drops momentum. I just watched a health potion drift away

[wooden flume]

Do dungeons feel shorter to anyone else?

[wet tulip]

i found orengall twice before too

[weary iris]

hi!! sorry for the dumb question, i just started playing and im a little lost on bonding with wandering souls in what i think is the tutorial? i hold q and click with left mouse button and it plays a short animation but nothing seems to change, im a little confused

[opal fable]

ok the sinicure orbital insertion is pretty cool

i hope there is a better spot for mace dudes than the south castle

[light siren]

what wpact would you guys suggest i start with i like the spirit and courage paths

[opal fable]

just pick the one you think is the coolest, you can get them all later

[scarlet cargo]

pretty good

[opal fable]

what tier is it?

[scarlet cargo]

officer

[distant jungle]

What damage did you roll?

[agile horizon]

three votives in a row bugged out, what the hell

[distant jungle]

Cus the base damage has a random range too, it turns out.

Highest I've seen is a base charged damage of 158 thus far.

[scarlet cargo]

not max yet

[distant jungle]

Ah then you wouldn't know what its base damage at 0 was lol.

But yeah, both damage and perks are random, as has been confirmed.

[scarlet cargo]

farming them is pretty easy

[trim oriole]

take away the +160 from 286 and thats the base damage

[distant jungle]

The image had a +32 on their 158 base, so lemme plug both in.

[idle elbow]

can someone tell me what these two bars are for and if i can get rid of them?