gameplay-discussion

[unique frigate]

Hi, everyone. I beat the boss and got a piece of armor from him, but I need two pieces to craft it, and I only have one. Where can I get the other piece, or is it only available for purchase with in-app purchases?

[smoky crater]

drops from Vadagar Stag

spawns in goop puddles in the openworld, or as the last stage in 2-3 star faction tales

[unique frigate]

Do I have to kill the deer a second time?

[normal sail]

not that specific deer but during the night in certain areas around the map you can find pits of ichor that it will jump out of

and i think votives also have a chance to end with a fight against a Vadagar Stag

[smoky crater]

yes

[unique frigate]

Ohhhh

[subtle salmon]

when you only have a couple of hours to play and the merchant isn't selling quartz...
😑

[clear dock]

I did check before and after on multiple occasion. No progressions. The quest disapear with no reward once I've clear the last mob in the dungeon. So bug it is unfortunately. I'll report it

That's painfull progression wise 😅

[quasi wolf]

Should I get rid of bog and myrtle if I have oryn umbr ?

[smoky crater]

get rid of the one you like less/use less if you do infact have get rid of one of them

difference between them is very minimal

[crimson void]

ok so apperantly you can retrigger the rat that brings you to verminas lair?

was just just in the ruins where you first find that rat and it lead me there so that was neat

[granite basin]

if I switch factions (Rank 5 Alca rn to Mora) Can I still take on Alca's faction votives or will I have to do some sort of faction ralignment?

[distant jungle]

You can only do votives for your current faction but all votives are the same, no faction has unique ones.

And you can switch back at any time by going to that faction's vendor.

[visual radish]

In addition to what cloranthy said, you dont lose standing when switching, each enclave saves its standing separately

[sharp cove]

What pact and weapon should I run for the first timer Cogah?

Btw I have all the pact and weapon right now

[smoky crater]

how well do you handle lvl 30-40 enemies?

[sharp cove]

Easily and pretty well

[smoky crater]

ok i'd say just use whatever you might generally use for such

[sharp cove]

Any recommendation?

[smoky crater]

as in what you already use for such

cogah's not really the kind of a hard mode it might seem like. minimum enemy level just gets capped at 30 and bosses are a lil beefier

[granite basin]

I've been doing Cogah with Grace-Bow Orengall and it's working well(can cheese the weaver and Impidh and Knell) but the Wazzerd is a run-ender for me, two hits and I'm down.
Take something comfy, preferably with at least a little life regen, some decent AoE, and great damage weapons that you are comfortable with

[smoky crater]

i'd honestly say use what you want and what you have that is "strong"

[smoky crater]

eh, cheesing is boring tho

[granite basin]

This is true, but sometimes I just want the rune to drop after 20 runs.

[sharp cove]

Currently, I use Duelo + Dewelion but the main DMG is from Flintlock

[smoky crater]

i mean you should be 100% fine with that

[subtle salmon]

en garde bugged out on me. 😑
anything to do with glades normally does too. As far as enclave quests

[tender bone]

this is a bug right

[dusky socket]

Game thinks you have less of the item than you actually have. Try reducing the overall amount you're selling by 1-2 and it should let you

[normal sail]

good old “game sees -1 of an item and cannot physically handle the player having 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 of an item” bug

[keen carbon]

any recommendation on how to deal with the mestra do carmo?

[finite stone]

Just repeatedly kick her

[distant jungle]

Not even using the turbo kick tech and still wrecked, lmao.

[dusky socket]

Love how she's still talking smack as she's actively being yeeted to the floor repeatedly

[keen carbon]

you saved my mental so hard, i was starting to feel physical pain after having to watch that cutscene so many times

[crimson void]

hey how dose the grapple on the ode pact work?

[astral pulsar]

currently leveling up The Alder staff what gear should i farm to make a good staff build?

[signal gust]

it sells pact fragments? thats crazy

[signal gust]

legit just spam heavy then dodge far back when she starts doing her 3 attack combo

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gravitate explains how the gravitate ability works

[crimson void]

you could have just said"kick them from a little bit away" but thank you regardless

[past drift]

Has anyone seen cogah runes dropping in p14? I haven't gotten a single one

[distant jungle]

I got like 2-3 yesterday when farming cogah for xp.

The polearm one twice and I think one from knell knight.

Cus I was rotating between Knell, Thrice, and uuhhh, Kabocha?

I think I got the name right.

[past drift]

Hmm OK bad luck I guess then

[past drift]

Man cogah Knell Knights boys got hands

[normal sail]

yep, i took a cogah sip near Knell, walked up and immediately got knocked right out

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-blowing-up-cat-explosion-gif-6096353006687676670

[dusky socket]

Peak gaming right here XD

[normal sail]

tbh i sat there for a minute afterwards laughing internally

[dusky socket]

Yeah, every time I die in Cogah it's because I'm mid Duelo hand cannon, and one of the trendy mendis walks up and pulls an Obi Wan on me

[past cloud]

sooo, bugged?

for context am in the secret room

and the relic/scroll isnt in it and the marker is staying on the puzzle room

[signal gust]

does this work with like hail of arrows from torrent rune

[sharp cove]

Does anyone know where this is?

[distant jungle]

Probably not, given that is a rune and not arrow hail.

[signal gust]

well it spawns arrow hail

[distant jungle]

It spawns a similar effect but it's not literally arrow hail.

Arrow Hail is a proper noun here.

Referring to that specific attack.

[edgy vortex]

Thats bradan bank and you will find it here

South west side of the map near the main castle you cannot yet enter

[wet mural]

is there a bug with "A Title" where you go to the top of of the College of Pensives?

I've run all over the grounds and there is nothing for me to interact with and my bird has gone screwy ... sometimes tells me go up, sometimes tells me go down, sometimes neither

[sharp cove]

Thank you

[sharp cove]

Can you capture the entire map? Some of the motes didn't show up

[edgy vortex]

You can actually find all this on soulmap

I just used that it tells you alot of stuff

[sharp cove]

oh ok

thank you sir

[edgy vortex]

I think that would help you more than a screenshot

[edgy vortex]

Of course

[rough sky]

Pretty sure whichever of these wields a mace has some damage scaling issue, i can tank sludgehogs attacks no problem with Bromius and these knights have literally oneshotted me more than once

[dusky socket]

All the corrupted zone variants seem to be excessively hard hitting lol

[slate adder]

Dude, why is the Sparrow's Tale not skippable?

[sharp cove]

Does anyone know what this is?

[idle elbow]

do you mean what the undiscovered name says? ||"The Cogah" ||

[sharp cove]

oh

Does this mean I already unlocked?

[idle elbow]

you unlock the cogah mode by brewing the potion and drinking it, its the games "hard mode"

[slate adder]

Is Mirifiur solo-able?

[idle elbow]

yes but be prepared. final fight can be tough if you cant cheese at least one of the two downed bosses before they get healed. highly recommend a group

[slate adder]

Got it, I tried it yesterday and was like "Oh, I got this" then the stupid healer undid all my work every second lol

[idle elbow]

yeah, the way i cheese it is shooting the healer with duelos flintlock for the stagger and then i bombard one of the others with fully charged rune attacks

[distant jungle]

I always burst the healer.

You can sprint straight at them and hit them as they spawn, a few rune charges and they're down.

[slate adder]

I barely did anything to them, but they may have had a buff idk

[distant jungle]

I'm also MR 18 and always have thriced gear.

If you're having a lot of difficulty, it may just be a matter of getting back to the grind.

It is intended for later game.

At least at the game's current state.

Given that this is tutorial island, lol.

[slate adder]

MR? They have Mastery Rank in this? Or am I dumb and forgot something?

[distant jungle]

For each rank of MR you get another virtue point.

This is the current max.

[slate adder]

Ohhhh, I assume it works like WF where you get more towards that each weapon you lvl?

[signal gust]

do you have any founder packs? or would that make up to 20

[distant jungle]

I have Paragon, yes. Without any founders stuff the max is somewhere in 17.

[signal gust]

i see

[distant jungle]

Given that those contain 7 weapons and 3 pacts.

[distant jungle]

Yep. Weapons, pacts, and collected history motes.

[slate adder]

Deal

[winged yoke]

hello, how do you teleport in this game T_T

[drowsy zodiac]

Will there be more combat arts motes? I have 30+ extra points in multiple combat arts and would like it if they were put to use eventually.

[plucky junco]

you can unlock something that gives you items to teleport after ||completing the waste bear fable||

[plucky junco]

do you mean for the skill tree thingy? i think that's being reworked at some point

[distant jungle]

Yeah it's supposedly being reworked into a more generic system which'll involve collecting skills and assigning them more freely.

Which is for the best, given that the system we have now just can't scale very well.

[trail walrus]

I have two access codes for the game, DM me if you’re interested

[halcyon comet]

having smite just pop up on enemies is random right?

[vagrant kayak]

Yes and no, depends on the weapon's Smite chance, which can be enhanced with some Totems

[halcyon comet]

thanks :)

[quiet rose]

When is weekly reset?

[distant jungle]

For what? I don't think we have anything on a timer like that. Faction cap resets daily and I think that's the longest.

Collector resets every 6 hours and changes location. Everything else is a personal timer.

Well except the avakot store but I forget what schedule that one's on.

[smoky crater]

There's nothing that has a weekly reset yeah

[subtle salmon]

We're just supposed to know? Oof. Glad it's getting reworked. I've had that quest completed for a few days. I would have thought it was with talking to one of the npcs in nightfold. Or guided by a quest afterwards. Glad I just googled it. 🤦‍♀️

[plucky junco]

right, it's definitely still one of the things that are easy to miss right now, hopefully it's more noticeable in the future 🥹

[wind ether]

is it true that you can get gaath frags from stag missions but only the t3 ones and not the t2 ones ??

and t2 will always drop armour sets parts but only t3 will drop gaat frags

[native bramble]

hi

[narrow iron]

Think we might get a Ode pact Called ”Ode Maelstom” which is Oden version of Wind? Since Ode Tempest pretty much represents Thundering Storm

[pure dome]

Hell ye

[limber python]

Does anyone know about the information specks inside the fallen tower?

[lilac sand]

The ones in ||Rovgot Ruins||? Yeah. What do you want to know?

If it's 'how to find them', I had the most success running it repeatedly while wearing the Pensives set. Ran through defeating everything including the boss, then retracing my steps. A few times I had some spawn 'behind' me after I completed the dungeon.

[limber python]

While farming in Rovgot Ruins, I unknowingly found a mote. 1 out of 7-9 found. Does anyone know anything about this? I'm searching and can't find any information.

[lilac sand]

See my previous messages just now.

[limber python]

ok thx

[lilac sand]

It took me 'a while' to find them all, (9, if I recall correctly).

[half talon]

For the rovgot motes, I've heard (I did not personally test, but do trust the source) that after you find one, go into the nightfold to save it, then relog and run it ~3 times and another should appear. I only tested this on my final one, so cannot verify from a personal standpoint, but again, I do trust the individual who told me.

[limber python]

Honestly, I don't even know how I got it. I used the Ruin ability and it appeared as if I had picked it up.

[ashen lava]

I already love him! [Do we love him?]

[zenith knoll]

he stole my wife and called my grandma slurs

[halcyon citrus]

If I could teach the avakots to dap someone up they would use it regularly. They’re chill

[smoky crater]

No. We hate him with all the hate available in the universe

[ashen lava]

Oh No! I feel is too late for me

[sly escarp]

If we do get another Ode pqct it would probably be Forgetfire imo

[quasi wolf]

Let’s just hope it doesn’t end up as bad as ode tempest

[civic cypress]

I wonder if the Ode pacts/weapons will have their own variant of Wyld

[fervent sun]

That would be cool if we got some kind of "Uncorrupted" ode pacts. Uncorrupted Tempest with the pact arm having cloud/storm motifs instead of the metal conduit look of the ode one. It could be a vibe.

[sly escarp]

Eh, Ode Tempest needed the nerf. It's more built for Stagger now, which is at least an interesting direction

[narrow iron]

I do hope we will see the tempest cannon return at somepoint

[quasi wolf]

yeah it was always meant to be a support pact but against bosses it under performs. Kit doesn't work on them

I don't know much about the idol weapons but they seemed really cool

[narrow iron]

They were

[harsh roost]

hi all! just a question. do I need to build a new talisman everytime I switch enclaves? in other words, are they one time use?

[carmine remnant]

Which can be fun, but kind of functionally useless atm. At least imho. Stagger is only useful on trash mobs, which aren't really a problem for any pact to handle.

Feels like they nerfed Tempest too hard.

[carmine remnant]

They are not one time use, the talisman to gain access requires the Shimmering item from the enclave faction vendors, but once you craft it you always have it and it gets you access to the next one.

[harsh roost]

so basically I only need to build once for each of the other two enclaves?

then I just switch everytime

[carmine remnant]

Ex: Your starting faction is Kith, rank it up to buy the shimmering item, buy two, craft the access talismans for the other two enclaves, you can then get into them and swap.

You can freely swap between enclaves with 0 cooldown and your current rep with them is saved when you switch.

You do not need to wear the talisman either.

I pretty much just keep my Triune one from Circade on 24/7.

[harsh roost]

got it. thanks for the answer

[wary laurel]

free 360 camera --- will we be able to zoom in & out from the actual max 90 "Field of view" ??? going from POV into hovering way above char ??? i like watching what is around me if enemies are attacking behind me.

[regal shadow]

highly doubt it, 's just not that kinda game

[sharp cove]

Is this max now?

[digital turret]

Does anyone know if there's a way to make the wolf form always visible, instead of just when it’s running?

I found a way to increase the wolf's size, but I can't get a good screenshot because it's semi-transparent 🙁

When attacking, he became visible for a couple of seconds.

[undone prawn]

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[distant jungle]

You can't, that's an intended function. It goes stealth when you move slower than a sprint.

I am not aware of a method to make this not happen.

[digital turret]

He just can’t walk once he becomes huge.

[lime garnet]

So it's my understanding that you can select certain dialog choices and get one of your virtues bumped up. You can replay the quest to change it, but I'm not sure this is a good system. I don't want to have to redo these missions everytime to optimize a new build. This will be an even greater issue if they continue to add quests that do this. What do you all think?

[digital turret]

To be honest, I'm not sure about that yet. Stats don't mean much right now, so there's no urgent need for a couple of extra points.

[little turret]

I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask this, but I don't know where else to post it: I think I made something stupid. I thought I was sneaky and jumped ontop of a house. Somehow the roof did hold me and I fell through. Inside I noticed that this house does not have any doors. Is there any possibility to teleport to the next spawn point or something?

[digital turret]

/unstuck

[little turret]

doesn't work I already tried it directly next to the wall

[digital turret]

Try 1 bear skill.

[little turret]

haven't unlocked it yet. but I can craft it. What does it do?

[digital turret]

«Or just teleport to the Nightfold, play your flute there, and you'll get out of it.

[little turret]

play my flute there?

[digital turret]

Yes, press X and play music.

[little turret]

oh thank you! it worked! didn't know that I could do that. THANK YOU!!!

[vernal ember]

i played prelude 9 ish and now just downlaoded again. trying to swap my pact but it says i only have 1 unlocked. in my inventory i have 3 tho

[halcyon thicket]

U have to craft those

[vernal ember]

but i have them in my inventory, sam eplace as my equipet pact

[halcyon thicket]

Can u send a screenshot

[finite stone]

screenshot? you are probably looking at their fragments (blueprints for crafting)

[halcyon thicket]

If it says a number, it's a fragment

[vernal ember]

ohh got u

do u know how many i need?

[finite stone]

for Pacts, it's always one

[vernal ember]

oh what do i do with these then

[halcyon thicket]

The deer and the wolf are pact fragments

Rest is weapons and armor

[vernal ember]

yeah no

what do i do with the fragmaents

trying to change to different pacts

[halcyon thicket]

U gotta craft em, progress in the story and find the blacksmith if u don't have her already

[vernal ember]

okay

so what do i do with these specific ones in my inventory

the fragments

[halcyon thicket]

.

[finite stone]

It's explained on https://wiki.avakot.org/Fragments - they're blueprints you use in crafting

[narrow jetty]

Why the hell Duelo Flintlock locks me in animation for 2 business days

[distant jungle]

I feel like the animation lock is fine for how strong it is, I just wish you could cancel out of it.

Even if you're hit out of it before you can fire, you'll automatically ready the pistol when you stand up lol.

You are eternally trapped, no matter what, until you fire.

So if you don't line up a shot beforehand, you waste it.

[narrow jetty]

Yeah this too, like let me dodge out of it

[narrow jetty]

Also enemies tumble when you pull the chrome on them

makes you miss sometimes

But yeah, I still think the lock After the shot is a bit too long

[stark orchid]

Is it normal for Gruul Seeker Ruthos to just despawn? It happened like twice in a row now and a bunch of times overall

[dusky socket]

Sometimes he clips through the ground and disappears. Sometimes, if you're up on the rocks and he can't path to you, he'll literally run halfway around the map trying to get to you, and if you stand on ground he can normally path to he'll slowly return XD

[stark orchid]

Ah I found him again, thanks

[zenith knoll]

testing

ok so probably just my images not getting through then

anyway I am now finally caught up with everything

[narrow jetty]

This reminds me I had the bear despoin twice, and IDK why

Maybe he despowns when the sun rise IDK

[digital turret]

"What do you guys think is wrong with this screenshot?

[narrow jetty]

Nothing?

Maybe the green is too deep, try a liter green

[digital turret]

"A hairstyle like the one in this screenshot doesn't even exist in the game."

[narrow jetty]

Oh its edited?

[digital turret]

edited : )

[stark orchid]

I might be the problem but I absolutely HATE Fort Mirifuir. It just feels horrible. Homing attacks, a lot of damage thats hard to prevent, constant minion spawn, constant teleport and all your progress is for nothing because the two guys get healed full anyways. I cant get better than a C however I try it. I hate it and it feels bad

[soft saddle]

Were joinery bonuses removed so it's just courge, grace, and spirit scaling now?

[zenith knoll]

with a decent enough build you can kill at least one of the 3 conductors before the white one heals them

the two you've already thought have low hp until he heals them, probably to give you a chance to finish one if not both of them immediately

[sinful scarab]

yes, the bonuses will come back, but on equipments in p15

[soft saddle]

Wdym on equipment's?

[sinful scarab]

like ARPG games, for example: when you get a sword it might have extra damage ranging between 10-30 bonus, or something like that, they didn’t really say much about the system

[soft saddle]

Oh god I really hope I don't have forge the same weapon over and over again in hopes of a godroll

[sinful scarab]

from what i remember, the bonuses appears when you get the item so you can decide whether you want to craft it or get rid of it, and some items won’t need crafting anymore, probably the common and uncommon, iirc

or something along those lines

[stark orchid]

That still sounds... like a buzzkill

[cobalt venture]

We are going to have to have the ability to skip the freaking video cut scenes for quests

Is that in the so-called Grand maestro is a pain in my butt

Are we able to sell items in game or no to like vendors and PCs

[sinful scarab]

would be nice endgame system if done properly, and DE always listen

[stark orchid]

Is it through the reforge or is it build the thing completely new. Also is it like riven randomized?

[cobalt venture]

The grand maestro quest needs to be able to be skipped at least intro of it that way we can get past our annoying arrogance and there's a bug where her bodies keep appearing on the ship

[sinful scarab]

they haven’t said much, we gonna find out in a month or two

[waxen haven]

Mirifuir's first and second fights are great but whoever thought that final fight was ok should never be allowed to cook again

[clear dock]

Hey guys, I'm sending out a SOS because I'm quite stuck. I don't get any faction XP from clearing an underground dungeon. I barely play everyday so I never get past 5k faction xp per day (no cap issue for me I guess). Anybody has this issue ? Or maybe found a fix ?

[sly escarp]

You're not getting faction xp from dungeon tales?

[visual radish]

You dont get faction xp from clearing dungeons

You get faction xp from doing tales no matter where they are

[sly escarp]

Are you still getting faction XP from your normal tales?

[clear dock]

My bad I should have made cleared explanation. When I select a tales that requires me to go underground I'm not getting any reward from clearing it. The quest simply vanishes

[visual radish]

Ok that is weird

[clear dock]

Yes, because of that I just do 1 star one that gives 400 xp

[visual radish]

You are also doing the objective and not just running and exiting the dungeon right?

[sly escarp]

Best bet is to file a #1438224825113120788 bug report

That should hopefully help put it on DE's radar

[clear dock]

I'm indeed, I make sure to complete the objective. While testing and trying to understand what was happening I spent an entier hours running around a dungeon after clearing it.

[visual radish]

Wow yeah then follow naitous advice and make sure to put that in bug report

[clear dock]

I used to take tale quest from multiple world tree and having 6+ quest pending. This is probably a way to reproduce the issue as no objective would actualise. Making it impossible to progress any tales.

[visual radish]

Hmmm i am thinking a few might be bugged and not visible from the journal

[clear dock]

That is a probable cause indeed

[sinful scarab]

do you know the name of the tale and where you took it from so we can test as well?

[clear dock]

I'll try to find another one to do and share as an exemple. I've recently cleared all my story quest, maybe it fixes the issue.

[clear dock]

I'll usually do the on in north east. From my knowledge they're the highest level and therefore gives the highest XP

Are the sidearm runes totem working while using your main weapon ?

[smoky crater]

runes... yes if it's flitsmoke, totems, only armor related ones

if i remember correctly..

[distant jungle]

Yes.

Armor is always applied, nothing else is.

Totem-wise at least.

[cobalt venture]

Could someone tell me what I'm to do with the items of 50 that I can't collect anymore and where I got to turn those in at

50 round circular metal silver objects 50 seed looking pieces of whatever

[distant jungle]

Those are things you can redeem at your faction for faction reputation. They do not contribute towards the daily rep cap and can still get you rep if you have met said cap for the day. All three can be sold at any faction but each faction favors one in particular that can be redeemed for much more at that faction.

There'll be a sell tab at the top of the reward selection window.

[cobalt venture]

All right so I have to go to each of the locations in the game right to find those factions I would still assume I'm barely up to the level 28 area of the game

[distant jungle]

The game should eventually point you towards the faction you started in, Either Silent Rose, Kith of Kings, or Alca's Children.

[cobalt venture]

And how do I kill these weird rock husks that keep reviving

[distant jungle]

Ah, the bad touch tree people, mockeries. You smite them when they're down.

You'll see them as a hovering ghost wandering around. If not smote, it'll return to its body.

[cobalt venture]

How do I smite them on controller

[distant jungle]

That I have no clue, I'd check the controls in options for that. I play exclusively on mouse and keyboard.

It should be holding spirit vision and light attacking.

[cobalt venture]

All right thank you I use mouse and keyboard too but currently I'm on my razor controller

[smoky crater]

razor? are your hands fine? 👀

[cobalt venture]

Raser wolverine version 3 pro controller

[distant jungle]

Man when I use a controller I just use a third party generic 360 controller lol.

Has always worked fine and felt comfy, I don't really care about having a bunch of doodads.

[cobalt venture]

I used to but I've gone through so many Xbox controllers that I'm over it they're generic they're trash compared to what they used to be and well I bought a high grade durable controller this time only paid $70 for it though

Well there are extra buttons on it I don't know exactly how to use it

[distant jungle]

I've never broken one, my last one lasted several years until the cord started fraying where it connected to the controller and it'd didn't look super safe to keep using.

[clear dock]

Well, quest disapeared. That's another way of not making any progress

[sly matrix]

Yea, that bug is sadly fairly common. Can sometimes be fixed by relogging

[cobalt venture]

Would someone be capable of telling me how long the founders edition of this game is going to be sold for I'm low income me and my wife don't really make that much a year we have to pay a lot of bills before we pay anything else so how long will the founders edition be sold for for this game I'd like to buy a bit it may be about 2 months or so

[distant jungle]

This is a common bug right now. Votives can generate in bugged configurations but can be spotted before accepting them. Notice how the two paths join before the final objective and not on it? That shouldn't happen, and every time you accept a votive that has that, it will bug and not be completable.

I've also seen another bugged generation where they do join on the final objective but each path has a different number of objectives, which is another thing that should not be possible and will always bug out.

So if you see a votive that has either of these two traits, pass over it, you won't be able to finish it.

And to fix it vanishing from your journal, you need to relog and then it should show up a few minutes later, letting you abandon it.

[smoky crater]

we don't know how long they'll be available still but we'll get a warning atleast a month in advance and we haven't gotten said warning yet so

[clear dock]

Thank you for the clear explanation

[cobalt venture]

All right cool do you know how long the founders edition has been available

[smoky crater]

since late november last year

[cobalt venture]

All right well hopefully they'll at least give me a couple more months cuz like I said me and my wife are low budget extremely low income I'm a disabled adult won't go any further than that and so yeah it'd take me at least 2 months to save up for $100 to make you some for a game

[distant jungle]

Ah, and they've said they hope to open it by the end of the year, so those two things may happen at the same time.

[smoky crater]

Steve one of the devs/CEO of DE did say at one point that they're probably not gonna be up for a full year so i'd expect them to take them down a bit after Tennocon maybe. just my guess tho

[distant jungle]

It being the game, going from closed testing to open testing.

[cobalt venture]

All right cool thank you for the colorification

[smoky crater]

wait what...

[distant jungle]

Didn't they say that? They hope to get it on steam by the end of the year.

[cobalt venture]

Do you know if they're going to actually overall increase the amount of potions we get at one time or no or will there like be an upgrade for that

Are they going to sell it on Gog too or no

[smoky crater]

they mentioned Steam yeah but i don't think they ever mentioned opening up the game to everyone 👀

[distant jungle]

I mean, would the key system as is work on steam?

I don't remember if they said they're planning to open it explicitly or not.

[smoky crater]

well i don't think it would really need to be a Steam function

[distant jungle]

But my memory is also selectively awful.

[smoky crater]

since you still need to login to the game

[distant jungle]

Ah, I suppose you could download the launcher, but that sounds like it could cause some confusion.

[smoky crater]

don't think we have any info on that

[distant jungle]

Even if it was painted in giant bold that you will not be able to play without a key.

You'd have a lot of people downloading it cus it's labeled free and then getting confused.

[smoky crater]

probably as much as there already is

if you've noticed people don't exactly like reading or researching

[distant jungle]

Eh I see it on the rare occasion, I think it going up on steam would make a big wave.

[smoky crater]

oh well if they do do that, im thankfully not gonna be here to witness the chaos

army conscription stuff... be takin me away for a while

[cobalt venture]

Honestly I think it would be better to open up to multiple different locations instead of just steam though

[distant jungle]

They did say that they hope to release like, full game in, as someone told me, 2/3 or 3/4 years.

So I'd expect beta to start sometime well before that.

[smoky crater]

maybe at some point, but i don't think it'd be a necessary thing by any means at this point

[distant jungle]

Where the core systems are pretty much locked in and they start content dev in earnest.

[smoky crater]

hey i said that :D

[distant jungle]

You see, I remembered the info and that's it lmao.

[smoky crater]

lmao

[distant jungle]

My mind aggregates and deletes everything else. It's... fun.

[visual radish]

I mean it is for sure not gonna be just steam because just like with warframe they can keep the standalone launcher

[visual radish]

Also as far as we know it will be free to play

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah that's known.

It'll be monetized in much the same way as WF cus, well, it works.

[cobalt venture]

Oh yeah I only played bits of Warframe I remember beta testing that dang thing way way way back when holy crap that's been years ago

[sly matrix]

Warframe haven't moved on since, they're still in Beta 😛

[cobalt venture]

Where do we serious I thought it was officially no longer in beta it's been freaking forever God is in my early twenties guys when that happened I'm 35 going on 36

Good God this stupid Grand Meister chick is annoying just beat her

[distant jungle]

Something something, live-service models weren't common when WF was new so they didn't have a good name for it, something something, this makes it easier to push updates cus console review processes massively suck.

WF is, for all intents and purposes, a finished but live-service game.

[cobalt venture]

I'm going to sit here and tell you I've never been the largest fan of life service video games because realistically if video game companies developed video games that would be able to be enjoyable like a lot of the old school games still are today 25:30 some ideas later then they would never really lose money honestly I would tell you that Nintendo ain't wrong with how they choose to remaster their video games I actually respect that and I'm not a big fan of Nintendo much anymore but I love the old school Pokemon and I would love to see a remaster of it

To finish that off I'm not sure I really actually said what I meant to if they did things right they would never have to have a life service micro transaction type bull crap honestly I'm 35 going 36 and why I enjoy multiplayer games I hate life service

[smoky crater]

well... welcome to the live service game that is Soulframe

[cobalt venture]

Well like I said as long as they have a way for me to earn my crap for free exactly like I could in Warframe I'll be good

That and inventory space and Bank space or any crap like that that they're going to have like they did more frame I need to be able to access it fairly reasonably without having to buy the crap that's all I'm going to say

[distant jungle]

I mean, they still have to monetize in some way. Though like in WF, you'll probably just be able to earn arcs via player trades.

[cobalt venture]

So one of the reasons why I don't like online games that have player trades is because players I don't know how bad Arc was but I know when I first started playing the game after a two-year percher after finishing the beta the player market was horribly overly exaggerated and full of abuses and users in that regard but that was when I returned way way back in the day I'm not played that game and 5, 6 or more plus years

Also can you guys tell me if there's a lot of level cap or if you can actually max out all of your weapons and skills or no

Also can one of y'all help me figure something out I'm using my mouse and keyboard right now how do I use a run

I still have the question the very beginning frankly and sadly

[atomic perch]

is there a way to open this?

[quiet rose]

avakot premium no?

wondering when it resets

[distant jungle]

Oh that thing, I actually don't know when that thing resets. I forgot it even existed.

[distant jungle]

Shift lol.

[cobalt venture]

Ok but shift is automatically set to roll and run

[distant jungle]

And some weapon trees are overcapped while others are not, that whole system is being revamped eventually.

[cobalt venture]

Or dodging run

[void kite]

Inside the glade? If yes find 3 crooked statues and smack them

[distant jungle]

Yes, I imagine both also share a button on controller.

Hold shift to sprint, tap to dodge. Tap twice to roll.

[cobalt venture]

Ok is that what it's talking about a rune or no it says use three of them

A grand Fable is the name of the quest equip a rune, complete the torment stag fable, completed the first two it says willed a rune in battle this last step I have not completed and I'm struggling with it I've got I think two out of three finished but that's it

[subtle salmon]

How are we supposed to get deer and bear fragments when they always despawn even if I stay close to them and make quick work of it... in the corrupted zones

[visual radish]

Wonder what causes the despawn bug

Havent had that one happen to me yet, so doesnt seem to be a 100% chance bug

[sly escarp]

Hold soulsight then heavy attack

That will trigger a rune activation as long as you have a charge

[cobalt venture]

All right how do I know if I have a charge is it the second skill number two

I'm going to guess that's going to be the empty line that's at the bottom of the number two skill pretty much thank you for that

[sly escarp]

No, that's your second ability. If you have charges there should be a ring around your 2 ability icon, that's the rune charge UI

[coarse sedge]

is there a visual effects setting that is making my blacks like-- VANTA BLACK? This is the brightest I can get on my shirt/sleeves

[sly escarp]

Recent lighting change that impacted some stuff iirc

[coarse sedge]

dang, alright gracias

[cobalt venture]

I'm going to guess it's that long circle on the second skill that's around it

[left trellis]

Just tried this game for a few hours and I absolutely love it !!

I feel like I hit a "end point", was following the story and it kind of ended at this tavern for some kind of faction
What's the gameplay loop past this point for now ?

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah they made the black from founders like no detail void black for some reason.

It made me sad as well.

[coarse sedge]

Im gonna be so stealthy

like a shadow in the night

[distant jungle]

There was some sweeping saturation change.

[distant jungle]

Fun fact, black, especially black that dark, is awful for stealth.

Night is not that dark, so you stick out like a sore thumb, given that you are a very obvious outline.

[coarse sedge]

Sure, but atleast anyone who sees me will get like-- super spooked and think im a Liminus from Warframe

[distant jungle]

I am glad that they made metal actually colorable, as that was another change that they made at the same time.

It's just sad that they made the black turbo black. Like, very unnaturally dark.

[coarse sedge]

blacker than the blackest black, times infinity

[normal sail]

dark blue is the best for night

[modern drift]

is the vadagar stag just not in the journal

[gusty sky]

That's your intro to your starting faction for the starting loadout you picked, generally there's a few more quests out in the world, but you gotta find them (not a whole lot) beyond that, is grind time.

[left trellis]

" beyond that, is grind time." can you expand on this :) ?

I'm trying to see if there's a repeatable loop I can already grind to unlock stuff

[gusty sky]

grinding world bosses and votives.

for weapon/armor blueprints, faction exp, and runes.

[left trellis]

oh epic thanks !

[mellow iron]

i found a few bugs when you starting the game and trying to show someone the game play it will kick you out three times

then it will glitch step you at one point

[left trellis]

How do I equip a rune ? I use the bow

ohhh found out

If anyone wonders in the future it's in the middle circle (little bubble next to your weapon in the arsenal)

[narrow jetty]

Is there a good short blade with Courage scaling?

[signal gust]

Just reforge

[normal sail]

reforging no longer changes the virtue, it only adds virtues to the weapon alongside its original virtue

[slate adder]

Bosses respawn every 30 minutes right?

Trying to farm drops

[pale marsh]

which armor set scales best with courage/grace build?
been using mendicant set till the trifecta

[teal steeple]

Orengall. One of the strongest armours in the game. Strongest Courage/Grace hybrid.

[pale marsh]

neat'o

where do the pieces drop

[teal steeple]

Alca's Children offerings and Tales.

[distant jungle]

Grinn, if you can meet the grace req.

Thrice it with mora and it'll work fine.

Speaking of, I am mildly annoyed by the fact that the in-game loot tables are inaccurate.

At least in one case I found thus far.

Knell lists thrice blessed joineries on his table and no other tier. This is wrong, as he only drops twice blessed.

Leaving Thrice-Bound as the only one I currently know of that can be farmed for the top tier.

Actually, Ruthos too I think.

But half the time he teleports outside of combat range and plays friggin hide and seek with you.

I'd rather just wait for Thrice to respawn then walk all the way to Ruthos and deal with that.

[oak vale]

where do i get igni mora

[languid hill]

join the kith of kings enclave

[oak vale]

wheres that?

[languid hill]

you need to have a medallion of mora amulet and go here

join the enclave and reach rank 3 standing

[languid tiger]

Jesus christ, getting 1 shot in the cogah is annoying

[distant jungle]

A goop dude clobber you over the head?

[languid tiger]

Yeah lmfao

[distant jungle]

Yep, that's how it be.

[languid tiger]

nice guess xD

[distant jungle]

They hit comparatively hard even at base, tbf, the endless scaling just makes that more and more apparent.

They quickly go from snatching a quarter of your HP to all of it at like, level 90 or so.

Maybe a little higher if you have a lot of HP.

[languid tiger]

Im level 16 and somehow only just discovered the cogah exists last night lol

[half forge]

how do i ||awake ||him ? (||im just hit the bell and notting||)

[livid cobalt]

Hello! it is true we have to use specific armor sets/pieces to unlock some stuff ingame? other than Duelo event, there is something else that works like that? I heard about Rovgot motes, but not sure if we can see them easier using Pensive armor or not.

[hoary saddle]

Did it get changed that the rep turn in items are independent from daily standing gain limit?

[dusty hatch]

No one is sure, because no reliable test have been done, only anecdotal opinionpieces. 100% fact is that the motes in the dungeon spawn in very late. You will almost never get one when rushing through the dungeon, regardless of what you wear. You always have to backtrack and/or wait a few minutes before a mote spawns in.

[regal shadow]

they've always been independent of daily limit afaik

[livid cobalt]

Great info, had no idea how that "delay" thing, thank you!

[leaden hornet]

hello, i got a question did you know how to use the everflamme rune ? thanks guys

[regal shadow]

there's 2 versions of everflame, here ya go
https://wiki.avakot.org/Everflame_(Long_Blade)
https://wiki.avakot.org/Everflame_(Greatsword)

[leaden hornet]

thamks i got it for lomg sword but i cant activate it and complete my quest active 3 times a rune in a fight

[regal shadow]

runes are charged via pull smite (soul mode + light attack when an enemy starts glowing after you hit them), then once you have charge, you hold soul mode while doing fully charged heavy attack

[leaden hornet]

thanks

[tender bone]

where do i start looking for the uh

duelo ribbons

[blissful ether]

Shipwrecks along the shoreline. Soulmap has them marked https://soulmap.avakot.org/

[tender bone]

thanks!

[zinc quest]

Soulframe crashed my pc 5 times tonight. Before it was running fine. Has anyone else started getting this issue?

[long lark]

hey you may receive this question everyday, sorry abt that but when soulframe will be out ?

[finite stone]

Kinda depends what you mean by 'out'!

• When will it be playable: it's been playable since 2024! Anyone can play, you just grab a free key and download

• When will it go from preludes (pre-alpha) to something else: no confirmation yet, but I reckon they might go into open alpha within the next year so people don't have to get codes, since codes are so easy to get anyways

• When will it go from alpha to beta: very unknown, maybe in 2/3 years? It's just a label though, simply depends when the devs decide to call it that. Maybe it'll coincide with the steam release?

• When will it go from beta to 'version 1': likely never, similar to warframe! DE need to give their games an 'open beta' label in order to push out updates at the scope and pace that they like to

[long lark]

thank you for responding me ! i was asking like when the game will be out in console for exemple, i follow this project since 2024 but i can’t actually play or test it because i only have a ps5.

[sly matrix]

Console Releases are probably a good ways off. Unlikely to be something we see till after the Preludes, when they've decided on the final systems and direction (as well as DE can decide on a direction) for the game as a whole.

[sly escarp]

Is he actually sitting on the chair?

[sly escarp]

No announced console release yet, likely won't be one until 1.0 due to DE needing flexibility is issuing patches and console cert would slow that down considerably.

[sly escarp]

technically DE did say in the Gameinformer articles a 1.0 is on their radar, but that their sense of when it happens is entirely vibes based.

There was actually a lot of stuff in the full issue that cleared up some plans.

[spare badge]

Console release will probably be at some point when/after it hits "beta". DE has said that it'll be out on steam on PC first, then on consoles. Preludes won't be on consoles, because of the techical stuff that DE has to do to push updates to said consoles.

[sly escarp]

Have you played in the last week or so?

If you have, it would be odd for the game to start crashing on one random day a week after the last hotfix, unless maybe there was a server issue?

[finite stone]

true they did use that phrase version 1.0! I guess I'm struggling to find another way to phrase 'out of beta'

since warframe is I guess in version 42 if we use updates as versions, but in my head I'd really call warframe '0.42' since it's 'in beta'

[sly escarp]

"Launch"?

[sly escarp]

DE also called out they consider Warframe well past 1.0

So 1.0 isn't launch to them

It seems to be when the vibes of "okay we have a game now" line up

Likely would happen during late alpha or early beta, at a guess?

[finite stone]

Idk about launch because I'd definitely consider warframe to be launched, right? It's a 13yr old successful product, millions of registers losers users (no one kick me that's a Rebb joke ), and even an annual convention

[finite stone]

but this is also very true, so it's like, what is the term for the thing that warframe isn't 😂

[sly escarp]

..."Done"?

[finite stone]

this is all very semantic ofc, it doesn't even matter since we all know that's warframe's just called open beta because it helps DE dev it in their way

[finite stone]

hahaha yes Done, I like that

[sly escarp]

"Content Complete"?

"Warframe will exit beta when the game is done. This will happen when either the studio closes or we decide we've done enough. Expected completion time: 30-50 years" is kinda the energy

Dunno

Definitions get weird

[clear dock]

Could someone direct me toward the weapon damage calculation please ? From what I read the base damage of my weapon should be 194-135 = 59. From what I could read from the wiki, the max boost should be +150% so 88.5 damage. How am I getting +135 ? I'm trying to figure the cap

[halcyon thicket]

Were u using orengall, were u in multiplayer

[mellow iron]

any advice for boss battle after saving the wolf pups?

[sinful scarab]

there’s 3 explosive barrels around it

[mellow iron]

thank you!

[weak lodge]

are vitrue points still rewards for fables?

[mellow iron]

what are virtue points?

[finite stone]

Yup! Specifically for the ones listed on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtues page:

[finite stone]

They're the points that contribute to your overall Virtue stats. Many come from Mastery and are allocated by your Prism; then you have the ones listed above as well

[mellow iron]

would anyone like to do a voice call and share notes with me?

[hoary saddle]

Any tips to find history motes in the bog other then "go at night"? Its one of my last 3 locations and im losing my mind trying to find them there.

[proper crystal]

try fiddling with contrast and brighness

[sly escarp]

Levelling damage, 135-89 = 54, the levelling damage bonus for non-dual blade melees

24 OG damage, and 30 bonus from the Joinery folding in from p14 changes

[teal steeple]

Melee get +54 dmg, ranged get +48, dual short blades get +27

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gameplay#Item_Leveling

[teal steeple]

Would making Gildaur an armour Joinery would be a good idea for the game?

[finite stone]

I think some form of armour modding/upgrading in general would be nice (I generally prefer when clothes aren't tied into stats in games, but since we have transmog anyway, let's lean into the gameplay aspects of armour)

[subtle salmon]

Is weapon and pact capacity going to stay locked behind pay? Seems like a ridiculous concept that will only hurt player retention

[finite stone]

Maybe if joineries, as the more 'simple' / less-expressive thing, became tied to armour, then weapons could get the old emotion motes back 👀

[teal steeple]

Maybe if we get a Nightwave equivalent in 10 years we'll get 1 pact slot every 5 months?

And 2 weapon slots!

[finite stone]

I'm not sure if it's hurt player retention for warframe as it seems to have done well the past 13 years! But yes I think it will likely stay in one way or another, it is a f2p game after all.

However, the really big changeup here is going to be the P15 weapon changes:

• If weapons have randomised stats like in looter games, then we might need a lot more slots
• DE confirmed a separate storage chest ('booty chest' I think lol) for loot, so maybe that's going to be the solution to the above? We'll see in approx. June

[finite stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-free-real-sate--k01KR6V2QT0WMFAE8YEYCCGC5HG

[carmine cypress]

Can I somehow check how much HP I have?

[normal sail]

the prism ui shows your max health

[carmine cypress]

for some reason i don't look on this place before 🙂 thank you.

by the way, in P13 we had a 8 quests (section NOTES), do we get new in P14?

[subtle salmon]

Do we know if the crypt key bug is getting fixed with the June update?

[flat stump]

How long will it take to receive the game key, please?

[smoky crater]

No info.

[smoky crater]

Pure RNG. Tho you can get one from the twitch stream on tuesday as a twitch drop

[flat stump]

How can I grab one right now from the wiki's home page?

[finite stone]

What is the bug if you don't mind me asking 👀 just the low drop rates from their original sources? or is it not spawning during the graverobber objective?

[harsh mica]

Can't wait to have to level the same weapon 100s of times to level 30 because every session I get a new one with slightly better stats

Might as well just go play just about any gacha game at that point, they have the exact same stupid randomized stat stuff

[finite stone]

Hahaha oh man, leveling... yeah we'll have to see how that ends up working with the new stats system

honestly we have too little info on it right now for me to form any opinion yet, I just want DE to communicate their intent some more

[harsh mica]

If they really proceed with this "amazing" gear rework it's going to be the thing that will burn out players.
3 different rarities for gear, each piece having randomized stats and "quirks"

[finite stone]

It miiight be 3 different rarities for each item, but it might be that each item is its own rarity

and we know the ancients won't be randomised (DE said when they revealed it)

[flat stump]

Please can you help me, I don't see where is the link for the key

[finite stone]

No worries, I'll DM you! Let's get you into soulframe

[sly escarp]

What's the bug?

[sly escarp]

Thought Ancients just still used fragments, did they say they won't have randomness?

[finite stone]

I'm like 95% sure but I will see if I can source it

[sly escarp]

Sounds good, lmk what you find!

[finite stone]

Nah I was totally wrong sorry I'm not sure why I assumed that 😭 maybe because they're craftable rather than being looted, I've been assuming their stats won't be randomised since you don't find them in the world - but this isn't safe to assume since they could always theoretically get randomised stats upon craft

Or even fragments themselves could have stats worked into them? Which then get baked into the crafted item

[sly escarp]

Yeah, they might just get like a better perk pool or smth

Personally do hope they act as a curated roll for individual weapons, but we'll see what DE says

[finite stone]

Yeah I'm still holding out for info but I think as long as some form of curated or 'maxed' version of each item is a realistically achievable goal, then it could be a really fun system

diminishing returns can be really nice for a sense of progression if it's balanced well too, kinda like the kuva weapon element fusing stuff in warframe

[mellow iron]

was there a hidden boss in the rat quest?

i was following the rat noises and came accross i think was a hidden boss because it killed me and i havent been able to find it again in the same spot

[subtle salmon]

@finite stone The key either has a peticular delay to appear as a drop after taking out the group. Or you have to leave the area a ways, and come back to find it on the ground. Going to nightfold and back did not work for me

[sly escarp]

Huh. That's an interesting bug. Wonder if it has something to do with the Rovgot motes as well...

Make sure to log it in #1438224825113120788 does the bug report dance

[finite stone]

Not a hidden one, but a big part of the setpiece is that you get chased by a powerful Ode'n warrior called Nimrod

[mellow iron]

thank you for the information

[subtle salmon]

added to it: #1473265560945950813 message
✌️

[sly escarp]

TY!

[subtle salmon]

YW

[lethal narwhal]

From my understanding it’ll be ⭐️ Standard - ⭐️⭐️ Noble - ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Ancients

I don’t think we will have 3 different rarities of each weapon, just categories of ⭐️ rarities similar to what we have now.

All of them will have some RNG stats or “quirks”, ⭐️ and ⭐️⭐️ will come pre-built, whereas ⭐️⭐️⭐️ will have fragments to craft.
Ancients will typically be “legendaries” or “named” items.

I’m not sure where Wyld items fit into this system. Possibly in the Ancients category?

I do hope in some ways that the fragments get split up into named parts like Hilt, Guard, Blade similar to Warframe so that we can trade them easier with players in the future.

[finite stone]

Yeah I agree I'm hoping it works that way tbh!

Just as the lore weirdo that I am, I don't like the idea of a 'common' Igne Mora existing 😅 it's literally a one of a kind blade of legend

same with an 'ancient Vasp-IV', it's a mass-manufactured sinecure grunt's polearm so I feel the same but in the opposite direction (though I do hope that commons can be upgraded to be on par with ancients if it works like that)

[lethal narwhal]

I would assume then Wyld/Ancient/Legendary gear might not have quirks or RNG stats then just to keep them standardized for trading. But then standard and noble gear might come with RNG stats and quirks to try and keep them competitive/fun to loot since we will get SO many of them

Because what’s the point or difference of finding 200 pre-built Nettles and keeping them in our stash? We would want to commit the best Nettle we find into our limited weapon slots

[crisp slate]

hey guys, anyone who've farmed a seathorn in p14, where did you guys got it from?

cause more and more i'm seeing t3 bounties dropping t1 and 2 rewards and i'm starting to think they've scrambled the drops

[lethal narwhal]

I farmed it during p13 from t3 bounties but I’m not sure if they’re currently bugged 😅

[crisp slate]

i know they drop from tales in p14 because i skipped p13 and got a fragment

that said, i might have gotten it from a t1 bounty for all i know

[lethal narwhal]

Speaking of Seathorn I hope for p15 (or at this rate p16) we actually get proper status effects. There’s already a bunch of different elements even just within Magick weapons but they all do the same damage type.

[round wraith]

When you have done the duello quest, where can i find the ancestor? it says that its in the nightfold but i dont see her.

[finite stone]

You find her aboard a ship by the docks at Heedoway. Where does it say nightfold btw?

[round wraith]

Internet lol

[lethal narwhal]

I’m pretty sure they are referring to after the quest, there’s a pop up that says “Ancestor has joined your nightfold”

[finite stone]

Just depends where you look on the internet - the wiki should now be up to date, and explains where you can find her

[finite stone]

Yeah DE need to fix that 😖

[blissful ether]

I do admit I got really excited when I got the Nightfold notif

I trust falled VERY fast hoping the nice sword lady would manifest in my astral home base as a new menu

[round wraith]

Thank you Envoy

[lethal narwhal]

Yeah even after the Bromius quest it does the same, but no bear friend to be found

[turbid barn]

how do the jinerys work?

[blissful ether]

Add more attunement pips, giving more damage per point in that virtue, capping at (I believe) 5 pips

Which is why you've got the gold trim on the courage symbol -- it's capped out once you added One Courage Pip and any more do Nothing

[loud sky]

Gold pip= 5(max

[turbid barn]

ahh thank yall

[loud sky]

Want to run bosses?

[turbid barn]

we can run organs if you want

[loud sky]

Hy check dm

[slate adder]

I have yet to kill a Vadagar Bear cause it just despawns

[hybrid idol]

with the right attunements

[turbid barn]

3 minutes before day it despawns

[hard vortex]

Just stumbled upon this glorious lantern

[torn quarry]

The Laterns in this game are funny and should be kept as a feature

[signal gust]

Oh yeah i pass by those a lot around fort curlail

[slate adder]

I just so happen to fight it each time right then? If so, how unlucky am i, lol

[turbid barn]

you can see the time if you open map

[lavish coral]

what do the gold flashes mean?

[sinful scarab]

iirc its one of bromius passive skills, getting bonus armor or something like that

[lavish coral]

😮

ok i see now

Thank you @sinful scarab 🙂

[sinful scarab]

yep its that one

[ionic spear]

Why does the little black thing that shows up on the town name pips to show how many motes you can get look like the creature that "helps" you in Black Desert? (I also sometimes see it when in the journal.)

[hoary saddle]

Is one of the turret jotnar pips inside the castle door? Thats the only glow I see not from an obvs fire when I go there

[blazing swan]

I just got to use the Avex

I love it

I wasn't in when bows were melee focused. I love that there is variety in the bows and having it as an option is amazing

Especially with the Torrent Rune to make up for the fact it can't hail down, I love it's ability to melee.

I love it being a courage bow too. It's just an amazing take on bows. I've always discussed with my brother the idea of melee bow user and I know it may not have been well received when it first dropped. But making it an option is amazing

[smoky crater]

if you use torrent to make up for the lack of arrow rain you don't truly love the Avex

[blazing swan]

Haha, I see what you did there

[distant jungle]

Okay so armor isn't as far apart as I initially gathered. The information I was getting was apparently inaccurate in whether or not people were using the stat potions or forgetting about their totems in the numbers they gave. Courage isn't 40 points behind, it's 20 points behind, which still should not exist but is at least more manageable and probably doesn't entirely nullify Courage's innate bonus, so it's not quite pointless.

I have also noticed that, despite many armors having split scaling, the purer you go, the better your defenses.

Which I suppose is part of the tradeoff. The purer you build your virtues, the more defense and better scaling in one thing, but the narrower your potential weaponry, both in effectiveness and in being able to meet requirements, as well as not being able to benefit from the boosts from all virtues nearly as much.

[ionic spear]

Where do I find Soulsbane? The Journal says to find it on Midrath's Plains, but I don't see that on my map.

[blazing swan]

In corrupted zones

[regal shadow]

look in white corrupted areas

[ionic spear]

Ah, okay.

[distant jungle]

Though this is actually not true for Courage, as the best pure Courage armor pulls even, at best, with Pensive using any amount of split at all, even the wyld prisms, which again just goes to show that Courage is behind in armor and needs better.

[ionic spear]

Apparently whatever ammount of Soulsbane I already have doesn't count, I have to pick up what it wants.

[distant jungle]

And yeah, it'll be a real small flower in the goop zones. The size of a mushroom, so it'll be hard to tell the difference when using soul vision from far away, but it'll be a flower.

So just look for mushroom-sized objects in the goop and hope it's soulsbane instead of grynnetongue.

[ionic spear]

Yeah, because this is misleading.

[smoky crater]

why's it misleading?

[ionic spear]

It says to find them in Midrath's Plain.

[smoky crater]

i honestly thought of it just as it meaning "Midrath" in general

[crimson void]

well i just found a bug

[ionic spear]

Okay, where is Midrath? Is that the island we're stuck on?

[crimson void]

yes thats the island were on

[ionic spear]

Ah, okay. Somehow I missed that, or it was so long ago that I didn't remember it.

[smoky crater]

yes, it even reads at the top of your map when you have that open

[ionic spear]

Oh, okay, that still doesn't tell me where the plains they want me to search are, but, okay, we've got that sorted out, so, back to the game.

[smoky crater]

ye "Midrath's Plains" just came thru to me as "in midrath in general, somewhere", as in in the open world, not in a dungeon

[distant jungle]

Plains are probably just what they settled on for not-dungeons, yeah.

Rolls off the tongue better than 'overworld'.

[ionic spear]

I almost thought that said, "ovenworld."

(Now they're baking us.)

[distant jungle]

Lol.

[smoky crater]

i mean... technically true?

[ionic spear]

Well, when I can, I plan to fry them.

[smoky crater]

the Ode are using some sorts of weatherers to warm up Midrath at the very least because it used to snow in midrath, and now it doesn't anymore

[ionic spear]

I wonder if that's what the smaller things you destroy that are in buildings, caves and other places where they have put them, are.

The things with the auras in a circle around them.

[smoky crater]

not afaik

those are just... larger versions of the insense burners they have pretty sure

[distant jungle]

The mistrals... minstrels? One of those two, are just like ichor humidifiers.

[ionic spear]

Well, we know the big things with the two heads are contaminating the water.

[smoky crater]

mistrels ye

[distant jungle]

They give off ichor into the air in the immediate area so the air is less spicy for the Ode.

[smoky crater]

yes the Moaners pump up Ichor from underground

which the Ode need to mix into water to make it drinkable for them

[ionic spear]

I don't have the terminology memorized for all the things they have.

[distant jungle]

Moaners are the big goop machines spilling it out.

Mistrels are the small boys that explode when hit.

And give off spicy air.

[smoky crater]

well Moaners explode when hit too 👀

[distant jungle]

By explode I mean like, takes out Ode near it.

[finite stone]

Good point maybe this is what they meant to get across, it's a bit tricky since they do have plains plants vs. forest plants vs. river plants vs. swamp plants etc, but this info isn't presented to the player... I think they could reword it ideally

[distant jungle]

And can hurt you. And is no longer there.

[ionic spear]

Okay, well, when the Mistrels are doing their job, perhaps they are also warming things.

[distant jungle]

The Moaners just, break.

[smoky crater]

reword, specify more, something like that shouldn't hurt really yeah

[agile horizon]

back in my day you had npc's writing you a full description of the route along with any POI you might encounter

[distant jungle]

A simple way would just change plains of midrath to isle of midrath or something.

But then people would ask if dungeons were included.

Probably less ambiguity than plains though.

Mmm, tasty.

[zenith knoll]

TIL collectors can just. leave with no warning

[smoky crater]

They do leave if you just let them be yes

[zenith knoll]

always thought they'd stick around until you'd enter a dungeon or some such

[distant jungle]

They reset on a schedule, every 6 hours.

It's a global wandering event.

[zenith knoll]

this i knew, yeah

[summer kraken]

Does the Witan have a low damage cap? Im previewing diffrent Joineries on it but five spirit pips is giving me the same damage numbers as three spirit pips

[blissful ether]

Spirit joineries seem to be bugged right now

[summer kraken]

Oh... yippee

At least its not me being crazy

[agile horizon]

aight, can someone tell me whats up with the stultin? it's thrice blessed and i'm just leveling it. Sometimes it does barely 40 damage and sometimes it does 160+

never does big damage on zombie dogs

is this the forbidden vertical headshot tech i'm accidentally doing?

the more i level it the less it bothers me, with the added damage putting it now at like a hundred at its lowest

but it still behaves like that

[smoky crater]

You can get headshots with melee swings yes

Stultin has the cleaver moveset right?

[agile horizon]

ye

[smoky crater]

Ye then thas probably it

But also 40 and 160+ against the same enemy, at the same level or were there differences?

[agile horizon]

weird that it does so little damage without it, despite the tooltip being somewhat adequate

same enemy

[smoky crater]

Hm

Wacky

[agile horizon]

i'm grace (and its grace blessed)

[smoky crater]

Oh

Well that'd do it

[agile horizon]

18 courage and 25 grace

[smoky crater]

Grace increases headshot damage

Sooooo

[agile horizon]

whacky stuff (pun intended)

[smoky crater]

[agile horizon]

i just wanted someone sane to confirm this cuz, you know

[smoky crater]

Lol

[agile horizon]

that's a big spread and that's too low of the bottom range to be hitting lvl 20 enemies for

[halcyon thicket]

Melee attacks can't headshot anymore

Same with magick weapons

Only thrown attacks can now

[agile horizon]

so what was it then

[smoky crater]

O wot

[zinc quest]

I been playing almost every day. It weird, but I had to reduce all settings to absolute minimum before it would stop crashing again.

It's strange when games like bg3 or helldivers can run at full capacity.

[subtle salmon]

Is the last siege in the northeast going to be reworked? wtf... soloing 3 bosses is "cool". used maxed oscelda and odiac which is my best setup atm. 15% increased attack speed, 1 in 6 or whatever smite chance on full charge totems, etc. didn't matter at all. most of the time spent dodging and repositioning. then one shot by the arcane one with the horizontal beam attack.

Willing to contribute to the founders pack deals. But gonna have to see more development first to see how it's really going to be. Not always in the mood for teaming up. 😑

[distant jungle]

The game is designed to be some minimal amount of challenging, and I still solo the new siege regularly.

It does not need to be made easier.

Hell, I solo it regularly because I'm leveling weapons back to 30 and it's decent XP.

So I'm not even using max level gear.

Nor am I cheesing it with a Grace build, as those'll be whacky until the crit modifier is nerfed.

I'm too stubborn to swap from the wyld teth prism lol.

And hell, we don't have a lot of MP now, but WF is a strongly MP-leaning game.

This is in pre-alpha so the systems simply are not in place yet, but I suspect SF will too have some lean this way.

With higher challenge content expecting you to come up with a team you queued into.

Pre-alpha will have growing pains as a result of some things just not being in place yet.

Having said that, again, nothing in the game is yet all that hard, including the new siege, once you've actually gotten your MR up a bit and have half-decent reaction time.

[agile horizon]

in what way?

[distant jungle]

Have you not played it? You can do missions solo but there's a ready and available queue for a reason, one that made everything vastly easier before the balance went to hell and it became 3D Diablo at least.

It's very clearly designed around MP as a core functionality.

[agile horizon]

like, i can't remember the last time group play was more viable since the bursa event, where despoil stacked on bursas and you could quadruple Tempo Royale

[distant jungle]

Same way as Destiny is.

RIP that game.

[agile horizon]

destiny has obligatory asinine sections that force you to group play

[subtle salmon]

I'm mastery rank 9 with 20spirit on the prism. Everything else has been a fair challenge since the adds are just adds . 3 bosses on 1. the hell with that

[agile horizon]

in warframe you are incentivised to solo by every single mechanic that's there

[distant jungle]

I'm MR 18 with a 33/15/15 virtue spread.

At which point even the new siege is a cakewalk.

Again, without even using max level weapons.

It is your progression that is the issue, not the difficulty.

It's a 'come back later' moment, if you cannot just skill through it.

Of which there will be more and more as the game progresses.

[agile horizon]

virtue points from mr and talismans are gamechanging

i highly recomend rushing the circade "quest" and getting that ammy

[distant jungle]

It does go to show that progression is functional, lol, there is a very tangible increase in power over time.

Which will continue to scale as they add the giant pile of weapons they eventually plan on.

[agile horizon]

i do look forward to them adding trade, cause DE don't want my money and i have no clue how the hell am i supposed to level everything

[raw harness]

sup

[agile horizon]

sup

[distant jungle]

sdown

Hue.

[raw harness]

ive enjoyed playing soulframe

[distant jungle]

Mood.

[raw harness]

whats a good way to level up weapons

[distant jungle]

Murder.

[raw harness]

i got like 10 crafted in the forge

[distant jungle]

Spam votives or run glade in hopes of finding the wave-based arena generation.

Which will turbo the hell out of leveling but numb your mind faster.

[raw harness]

thats probably the fastest way right

[distant jungle]

Assuming you don't have horrible luck finding one, yes.

[agile horizon]

i've only seen the arena in the starter glades

[distant jungle]

As it'll still lift your weapons from level 0 to like, 22 or something.

In one go.

[agile horizon]

i mean it still caps at 50, so you get most of your way there

but if the votives lead you into higher level glades, i'm like 80% sure there's not a chance for the arena spawn

[raw harness]

interesting

[carmine remnant]

Is it just me, or is the chance of spawning the Arena room in the glades absolutely awful now. I've been using the NE Glades dungeons in addition to loops around the swamp to work on leveling weapons (Since that's all I really have left to do) and in the dozens upon dozens of Glades I've ran since P14 dropped, I've seen it spawn exactly once.

[raw harness]

sounds like torture

[carmine remnant]

Well the NE area is the best XP outside of Cogah mobs. Organ event there is also an option, it's just slightly slower since the mobs that infinite spawn are worth less XP than a swamp lap or a Glades run there.

At least that I've found anyway.

[raw harness]

i see

[distant jungle]

You also have no chance of swapping out even if you have a friend, though I suppose you can run far enough away that the organ cancels if it doesn't go into CD.

Even if you kill all enemies near you, even if you've aggro'd nothing, if you start combat remotely near an organ, even after ending it, it will count you as in-combat until you go very far away from it.

I've killed unrelated enemies vaguely near it and had to walk like 20 seconds directly away.

It's a little annoying on occasion.

[carmine remnant]

I don't understand your point?

I was saying that sometimes I use the Organ event as an infinite spawn Arena type room. If you stick to the first stage with the animals, and don't complete that stage, Ode enemies just keep spawning and spawning.

I can sit there and grind unlimited, basically.

[distant jungle]

I was saying that it's more tedious to nightfold and swap if you have a friend with you.

In the glades endless, if you clear a wave combat briefly ends, so one of you can tag out.

Swap to something else when your current gear gets maxed.

Organ seems intentionally designed to make that frustrating to do.

[carmine remnant]

Yeah, the Glades Arena is still the best, I just can't get it to spawn. Like at all. I'm nearing 100 Glades runs (I keep track) and I've gotten it once during this whole leveling binge the last week I've done.

Organ, a swamp lap, and Glades runs are basically all I've been doing with the occasional 3 star sparrow tale just as a refresher/something different.

[distant jungle]

I was just hopping between sieges and killing Agari that were vaguely near my path.

[carmine remnant]

I'm at least nearing the end. Pacts, Greatswords, Bows, Magic weapons, and Flyblades are all done. I'm on my last SnS. Polearms, Longblades, and Shortblades are all I have left to do, and I have half the Long/Short already finished.

Currently MR17.

[raw harness]

how do you track what youve mastered

[distant jungle]

That's the fun part, you don't, you just remember. Or use Little Genius by the avakot wiki people.

[carmine remnant]

By my own spreadsheet since they haven't added a codex to indicate mastery yet.

[raw harness]

lovely

[carmine remnant]

It'll come eventually, at least it should. Warframe has it, they know we want it, so there's no reason why it wouldn't.

[signal gust]

whats a talisman with a lot of spirit

[sly escarp]

The upgraded Sproutfolk talisman give +6

Or you could get Orengall's Fang for +4

[agile horizon]

or the circade, that gives 3 each for 9 total

[signal gust]

thats actually better for me

where i get thhat

[agile horizon]

run votives in north east, look for the crypt

[distant jungle]

The triune talisman is easily the general best now that each virtue means something.

And yeah, you get it from doing a puzzle in the crypt at least 3 times.

[agile horizon]

then you'd need the wiki. The talisman and the armor are hidden behind the ARGS that were solved some time ago

[distant jungle]

Plus some steps after.

[sly escarp]

Gotta run the Crypt dungeons and kill the boss near each of the 3 sigils. Each kill gives a talisman. Wear each of the talismans and the boss will spawn in the overworld to kill you at certain times of day. Killing the boss in the overworld 3 times gives the parts for Triune Talisman.

[distant jungle]

I mean, the armor is a big multiplayer thing, the talisman is not.

That one is very solvable alone.

[agile horizon]

solving the armor ARG took party play, actually doing the puzzle can be done solo

it is solved and it is static

you can just do it

[distant jungle]

Well yeah, that's what I meant.

It isn't meant to be figured out by one person, while the talisman very much can.

[sly escarp]

Armor is behind the ARG, the talismans aren't

[distant jungle]

Ofc the answer has been known for a while though.

Or you can just get someone to ferry you in, given that the door remains open.

I've done that a few times before.

[agile horizon]

eeeeh, you gotta know that there IS an arg to actually look for the notes and to realise that they mean something and ain't just flavor

[distant jungle]

I don't think the talisman has anything to do with the notes though.

[sly escarp]

^

[distant jungle]

Unless there is a note specifically saying what to do there, which I do not remember.

[sly escarp]

The notes help instruct the gem order

[agile horizon]

wasn't there some verse about dawn, dusk and midnight? about killing him three times?

[sly escarp]

That's the cutscenes from the murals

[distant jungle]

Kill him near glowing thingies, get amulets, read description, I think it's pretty self-contained.

[agile horizon]

either way, it's asinine, and without knowing that there's something to do, there's no way one would come up with doing these exact steps

[sly escarp]

I did

[distant jungle]

The game is all about 3s and the big glowy circles are kind of obvious.

[agile horizon]

you just happened to have a hunch to lure him out to the mural

[distant jungle]

The crypt also has at least one other instance of a puzzle being about having an enemy near an object.

[sly escarp]

Knew they did something. Tried some stuff

Eventually happened to kill him by one.

[agile horizon]

eventually

that's not figuring out, that's random trial

so might as well look it up on the wiki

[sly escarp]

Most of them spawn in the boss room

[agile horizon]

you'd think lol

[distant jungle]

The boss room is a pretty common location yeah.

I've never seen it not contain at least one.

[sly escarp]

It's not hard to happen to kite them by one

[distant jungle]

And once it happens once then you get the hint.

[agile horizon]

had several runs with none and a lot of runs with just one, that's way out of the way

considering how easy he dies...

[distant jungle]

They very commonly spawn in the boss chamber, and very obviously do something cus otherwise they wouldn't glow so obviously when using spirit vision. It's not farfetched whatsoever to kill the boss near one and figure out you should do that again to the other two. It's an entirely reasonable puzzle.

[agile horizon]

still stuck on why would you kite him if he just dies

how would that happen unless you know to do it?

what would compel you to run?

[distant jungle]

Again, there's a puzzle generation that involves luring a ghost to a statue.

If you truly cannot comprehend how seeing a very obvious glowing circle in a boss chamber would prompt people to experiment, then that's something to do with your creativity, not the game's design.

You are shown very clearly that a puzzle is there.

[agile horizon]

"it does something" does not equal "lure the boss to it and kill it in its vicinity"

[distant jungle]

It is then up to you to play around with it.

[agile horizon]

that's Venator Bombaclatt's "sherlock" logic

[sly escarp]

When Crypt first came out, we weren't nearly as powerful as we are.

No joineries that added more than 3 damage

Talismans capped out at +3

[agile horizon]

again, there's asinine amount of trial for no apparent reward. So unless you actually know that there is a reward, because the devs said so during the event, it would a be a thing that just wouldn't occur

[sly escarp]

We had 1 rare weapon in the game at that point, and totems were still motes

The boss initially was actually a bit spongy

So kiting him, especially with a magick build, made sense

[agile horizon]

and the nature of the "puzzle" hasn't changed, so instead of "sherlocking" it, might as well just look it up

[distant jungle]

Then that's your choice. It doesn't change that the puzzle is still very accomplishable alone.

And has nothing to do with the armor's community puzzle shenanigans.

[edgy vortex]

I thought "this cant be true" yeah it was gath was the only 3* when I played so that checks out

[raw harness]

how many wolves can you spawn with orengall pact

[edgy vortex]

I think 3

[raw harness]

do you need more points in spirit to spawn more?

[edgy vortex]

2 spirit for 2 wolves, 12 for 3 and 38 for 4

[raw harness]

i see

i should be able to cast 3 then

when i recast my 2 ability a wolf spawns and then the other despawns though

[edgy vortex]

whats your exact spirit right now

[raw harness]

13

[edgy vortex]

what rank is your pact

[raw harness]

16

working on leveling it

[edgy vortex]

you prob need to level it more to unlock the other wolves

[distant jungle]

Skills rank up as you level the pact, that may be the issue.

[raw harness]

sounds right

[distant jungle]

It may have a hard cap that gets raised as it levels.

[raw harness]

thanks

[edgy vortex]

no problem

[distant jungle]

I found a cloaked squirrel.

Very spooky.

I was flicking my spirit vision on and off when passing by to look for stuff, so whatever glow effect that gets put on it probably got partially stuck on or something.

Idk why they'd remove its model underneath though, during any part of that.

Unless something else just made it unrender.

[hoary saddle]

What are these three

[upbeat cradle]

it's a bug, there's 16 runes in total

you're only missing the hollowing and treefell

just don't count those 3 in red

[lethal adder]

For the various dungeons/undergrounds, does it matter which entrance I choose? Will using an entrance in a higher-level area of the map lead to a dungeon with higher-level enemies? Will specific entrances lead to specific sub-areas?

[distant jungle]

The level of the area the dungeon is in will affect the level of the enemies inside. The area will not affect the generation of rooms within, as that is entirely random, though dungeon Agari all have a specific entrance they will spawn within.

[lethal adder]

Hmm, interesting. Thanks!

[twin skiff]

So I'm looking at attaching a joinery to Avex bow. What is the difference between "Qucksilver Thrice Blessed by Saphene" and "Gildaur Thrice Blessed by Saphene"? Both give 3 pips of Grace attunement.

[distant jungle]

Currently nothing, though I expect them to add some kind of unique bonus back to joineries in the future.

Given that there's literally no point in multiple of them existing anymore if that wasn't the case.

So, for now, there is no difference.

[twin skiff]

Sure, thanks for answering.

[unborn pelican]

Do all 3 factions share the daily 16k standing or they all have 16k standing individually

[distant jungle]

I'm pretty sure the daily cap is generic, so it should share? I am pretty sure but not absolutely certain.

[finite stone]

Yep! It's a universal cap, if you get 16k for Kith, you can't get any for Rose/Alca in the same day

[dire python]

I still can't find an arena tile 🥀

[undone prawn]

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[tender bone]

Sum1 posted this on fb and i have to know how the heck the mestra armor get extra virtue stats

Or is this photoshopped?

[old topaz]

do seathorn frags drop from 3 star faction tales ? how rare is it ? been grinding for hours

[tender bone]

Probably rare but i got mine from the 3 star ones

[normal sail]

it was unintentionally scaling with all 3 virtues, it got corrected in a recent hotfix sadly

still pretty good armor regardless

[tender bone]

ty fpr th answer

[finite stone]

Nope,that's just the original stats. This is from release day

[normal sail]

DE isnt ready for us to have plot armor yet

[digital turret]

182

Has anyone tried getting more armor?

[tender bone]

how do u guys get more than 100 armor?

[digital turret]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

[normal sail]

taping animals to your weapons and the right armor

[digital turret]

But seriously, the higher the rank, the more armor points you get. (At least I think so.)

[tender bone]

HELP

[tender bone]

like player rank?

[wind ether]

how are you using staff it needs 15 spirit right??

[digital turret]

What’s your rank right now?

[digital turret]

You don’t need 15 Spirit to use the weapon.

[tender bone]

9

[digital turret]

You can use it as is, but it’ll be less effective.

[wind ether]

yeah i know that i just dnt get the point of using a weapon without getting its full potential , but ok.

[agile horizon]

guys, what weapon types don't get their runes overriden by the moras hand?

[smoky crater]

Because it is still a valid way to use the weapon

[smoky crater]

Gud question

[agile horizon]

i mean i want to level it, but it's gonna be PAIN without being able to access runes

[sour garnet]

I've been farming seethorn for 2 weeks and only found 1 frag. I just switched over to kith of kings, and within an hour, I got the last two frags. Probably just rng, but also maybe kith of kings gives it a higher drop chance..?

[subtle salmon]

tfw you get one fast travel seed. 😑

[silver plume]

hi, im having trouble doing the use a rune in combat quest anyone know how im able to use my rune?

[blazing swan]

Heavy attack + spectral sight

Or Middle mouse and Q if you haven't rebinded

[astral pulsar]

But you need to smithe a enemy before being able to do it

[silver plume]

uhhh and how do i smithe someone?

[astral pulsar]

When you kill enemies and see some kind of orb around them spectral vision + light attack

[blazing swan]

When you attack them they will glow red, blue or green.

[silver plume]

ohhh

[blazing swan]

Then use the same combo as a smite, Spectral sight and then Heavy attack while looking at them

[silver plume]

i thought that just gave me some kind of loot

thanks for explaining guys

[blazing swan]

np, it happens haha

[astral pulsar]

NP I had the same issue a few days ago lol

[honest iris]

hi Q how i use rune skill with bow? If i use like Q+middle mouse button as i do it melee weapon it just uses the arrow hail?

[finite stone]

Do you have a charge? If you do, then Q+mmb should be doing a rune shot I think (admittedly I've not tried bow runes myself since the change)

[honest iris]

yea i have chargew but it does just arrow hail what is mid button

[sinful scarab]

iirc its charged shots, not heavy attacks

Q and holding left click

[honest iris]

i do charge shot what iholding Lmb so +q?

[subtle salmon]

Controller is superior for the game i.m.o. tried both

[sinful scarab]

holding Q (for spectral sight) and then holding left click (light attack) and release left click when it’s fully charged

[sinful scarab]

nah

[honest iris]

please dont

[finite stone]

neverrr

-# no one can take my many beautiful keys from me

[subtle salmon]

Did you even try it? and okay...

[honest iris]

there are many nice buttons but mine are much better

theita much bigger

[sinful scarab]

the camera forcefully changing direction to wherever the character is facing…..ew

[finite stone]

Yup, I tend to try it for every couple of games I play just to reconfirm how I feel. Controllers feel extremely clumsy to me, and I hate having fewer rather than more keys. The lack of precision, the inability to just Alt + Tab to get onto my other monitor to do something on the internet/youtube etc... yeah idk, for me personally (emphasis on personally) there is just no bonus to losing what MKB offers

[honest iris]

agree

if they remove that stupid autolock from game i would be more happy

[distant jungle]

Eugh that sounds disgusting.

Also I like throwing my weapon and actually hitting things.

So it's been mouse and keyboard for me.

Tbh the camera auto-turning would be a dealbreaker for me just by itself.

I'd hate that far too much.

[clear dock]

I've been chosen by the ducks

[sinful scarab]

and not just left and right, up and down too (when going uphill and downhill),

[native oak]

is there any way to increase inventory space other than paying real money? i rly like the game and its fun, but the fact that i have such a small inventory and need to pay money to increase it just destroys everything and im thinking of quitting the game

[blissful ether]

In the future they may introduce methods to do so but to my knowledge there are no free methods to expand inventory. Aside from selling things that are going unused.

[distant jungle]

That sounds like it would legit give me motion sickness lmao.

I hate my camera being wrenched around when I move but it bobbing up and down with small bumps? Revolting.

[distant jungle]

If you fundamentally do not like this, enough to get that upset about it in a pre-alpha, this may not be the game for you. Pact space and weapon space will be monetized, same as Warframe does it. Though you can use the market to sell things people want for arcs, trading is a long time off.

This way of monetizing keeps them away from the god awful ways of monetizing that most other games use.

And you don't need to collect everything. I have 33 weapon slots and less than half of them filled cus I just sell what I'll never use.

[distant jungle]

Lmao.

I know some people do that but I just don't care enough to.

[native oak]

a pre alpha should not be a money grab, it should be there to make the game better and get feedback. i like to collect things and having everything that i can get in the game in my inv.

[finite stone]

That's smart I'm just a compulsive hoarder in this game, especially since every weapon feels fun and viable 😅

[distant jungle]

Making it not cost money now and then swapping it to costing money later would be a horrible decision. Temporary changes like that should never be made because people riot whenever it's changed back to its intended state.

It's also not a money grab, as it's not like you'll ever lose those slots.

[native oak]

in elden ring for example you can collect every weapon and you will never run out of inv slots, and they dont need any ingame purchase stuff

[distant jungle]

You'll have bought them and thus have them forever.

[blissful ether]

You....pay for Elden Ring, no?

[distant jungle]

You buy Elden Ring and it isn't a live service lmao.

It isn't actively maintained for with perioditic new content for over a decade like Warframe has been.

It's made, updated for a while, and then left alone.

[finite stone]

Elden Ring is paid AAA game my man, it costs you $70 USD at release

Soulframe is a free game, it costs you $0 to play

If you paid $70 on Soulframe, you would have slots for every item in the game and far far more

[halcyon thicket]

Me in Warframe

[native oak]

yes, but there are no ingame purchase things, in my opinion when the game comes out they just need to make the game itself cost money and not do randome ingame purchases

[halcyon thicket]

Not really DE's thing

[blissful ether]

Well, that's not how DE rolls these days.

[distant jungle]

That works for single release games, not live service with future content updates.

[halcyon thicket]

Would be a first

[halcyon thicket]

Not true

[distant jungle]

Do tell.

[blissful ether]

I haven't given a dollar to DE that I didn't choose to give out of respect for their product. It's a business model that is clearly working for them and I think the following they've built speaks to that as well. If it's a model that doesn't work with your own wants and needs, there's nothing wrong with that.

[halcyon thicket]

Wait what works for single release games

No mtx?

[distant jungle]

Charging for release and then not having any other form of monetization afterward.

Which something like WF could not successfully use.

[finite stone]

Yeah completely agreed, buying founders actually felt genuinely nice because I felt like I was willingly paying for the amazing experience that was The Waste Bear - whilst also getting more stuff thrown in!

[halcyon thicket]

Oh