gameplay-discussion

[austere lintel]

Yess, and I feel like the Ode wardog buff isnt enough, they should become a permeant part of the pack maybe aye

[frail tapir]

I guess my bad luck is at play.

[tender bone]

ohhh didnt know that

[tender bone]

rngesus said no 😭

[naive cloud]

If they were more aggressive or it lasted longer it would be I think, VEEERY situational but I charmed a dog the other day and it did nothing but run in a circle then the charm wore off it didn’t even attack

[austere lintel]

RNJesus with me an MK farm man, I just need one more torso frag but he keeps giving me dups ahaha

[naive cloud]

Nah it is quite rare

[tender bone]

how rare is it

ive only been farming votives since yesterday and i got 3 frags today

[naive cloud]

It sure on actual percentages, but it took me about 60 t3s to get my seathorn

[austere lintel]

Yesss, Like there is no set time for how long teh pack stays aroudn or even the werewalker skill too, like ik werewalker lasts 30-40s but if you dont bite you get sent back to the original spot of casting and that sucks sometimes ahaha

[naive cloud]

That’s 3 frags btw

[naive cloud]

There is a set time but I believe it scales with either spirit or grace off the top of my head

And the amount is based off your spirit

[austere lintel]

Ahhh okay, I just wish it showd up as a buff timer or something on screen then

[naive cloud]

I agree, a lot of information is not being shown that really should be imo, but apparently the devs are wanting to keep menus and details to a minimum so a lot of it will just be trial error and people being addicted to the wiki lol

[austere lintel]

Ohhh okay, that makes a lot more sense then and dont mind if we have to wait a bit too, Just whenever but it sucks that such a sick pact is underperforming against other pacts like Tempest and Mora's hand

[naive cloud]

Yee, I mean naturally there’s always going to be metas in rpgs but I really would love to see a rework of the pact, the claw attack also is kinda cool but just doesn’t do much damage, tho tbh idk I haven’t tested it might scale off a diff stat im running full spirit rn

I’m in the process of levelling everything and getting all the pacts and a decent setup for all stats so I can start tweaking things and testing different stuff out atm xD

[austere lintel]

Oh 100%, I agree when I first got the pact i though the melee might add slash or something but yeah maybe in the future it'll receive the love it desrves but im running base teth rn cause it lowkey puts my defence from 70 to 85 lmaooo

[naive cloud]

Yeah honestly its crazy how much more survivability you get with a courage build and tethrens passive healing is just chefs kiss

[austere lintel]

I have 36 in physical protection at only MR 12 ahaha what, thats lowkey so good

36/25/24 im courage heavy for sure but i try to make my build an all rounder

[naive cloud]

The extra health and Thankies armour makes a massive difference, I’m tempted to joinery a silistavf to courage so I can be a tanky mage and then just run garran rood or oscelda lol

Tanky* heccin phone

[austere lintel]

Oh definitly I remember when I cooked Ocselia this week and didnt realise how weak i was ahahaha

[dire python]

I have Bromius and tbh it isn't my cup of tea

[naive cloud]

Bromius grew on me tbh

[austere lintel]

It aint mine either dw, Its just idk...

[naive cloud]

It’s weak af at rank 0

[dire python]

still gotta level up Brom though for the mastery

[austere lintel]

I like 2 and 3 on Bromeus but the 1

[tulip geyser]

so what are these big metal constructs with faces you can destroy on them?

[naive cloud]

Once you get it to rank 30 though the 1 and 2 skills slap pretty hard

[dire python]

I have Orengall cooking and I'm planning to get Oscelda or Mora's Hand next

[naive cloud]

They’re called moaners

[austere lintel]

You aim for the eyes and they'll drop resources!

[naive cloud]

They’re pumping pollution into the wooorld

[dire python]

the "eyes" are the two faces on top of them

[austere lintel]

What Umbra said, Theyre called moaners

As they leak the ichor into the water

[naive cloud]

Not sure if you noticed but you can jump yourself before activating the 1 and it’ll speed up the animation so you only get the downwards part

And from what I can tell it did the same damage

[dire python]

I've been farming the MendiKing lately

[naive cloud]

Oop wrong comment sorry

[naive cloud]

I’m currently crafting that helm, so badass

[dire python]

I have his top piece and greatsword cooking

[austere lintel]

Sammme, I just need one more frag of his torso man.. RNJeusu hates me

Torso is all i need from MK set too

[dire python]

Needleseye is almost rank 30 so I should be ready to swap out greatswords

[naive cloud]

Same xD

[dire python]

although I still need to rank up a lot of weapons

[naive cloud]

The greatswords in this give me the same oomf I get out of ultra greatswords in dark souls, so satisfying and meaty

[austere lintel]

Oh mood, O lowkey need to slow down how much i cook in a day i have like 5 new weapons i need to rank up rn before i can make space for more ahha

[dire python]

the starter bow, Precklies, Rivt-II, Nettle, Vasp-I, Oryn-Umbr

my WF experience kicked in and I spent most of my starting 100 Arc on weapon/pact slots

[austere lintel]

YESSS, Im an avid soulsborne player and ik what you mean to the T

Like especially the wind up for the throw, its so slow and hefty, I love it

[naive cloud]

Yeah dude, so good xD I took a clip the other day just showing off for satisfying they are, chefs kiss to the audio devs too

[agile horizon]

i don't know what they need to do to the runes, but they need to do something that it would apply to the power word: gun

[austere lintel]

GOD I WANT DULEO SO BAD AHHA

I NEED GUN

[naive cloud]

Duelo flintlock buff rune when?

[agile horizon]

and the flamenco jingle needs to play louder and longer the more damage you deal with it

[dire python]

shame I can't get Ode Tempest easily because I'm in Kith

at least Mora's Hand looks awesome in gameplay

planning to do a dual blades Courage/Grace build

[naive cloud]

Same for me with moras hand xD gotta just keep grinding up slowly but surely

[austere lintel]

I left kith as soon as i could grab the sand thingy and went to Alca's they sell even that sand stuff way cheaper there

I also wish I knew that is where you got Oregall set for f2p before i grinded to rank 4 with Kith man

[naive cloud]

It’s the same price in all, they altered the price in one of the latest hot fixes

Riiighr after I bought 2 of them

[austere lintel]

Ohhhhh I guess i didnt see that whoops

[dire python]

I was debating on whether to swap to Rose or Children after I get everything I need from Kith

[agile horizon]

like the jet set radio trick progression

[austere lintel]

What does Rose have? Its the one enclave I havnt joined yet

[naive cloud]

Depends on if you wanna try out Grace or spirit next I guess xD

[agile horizon]

rood dood?

[dire python]

archery gameplay is fun but I die a lot

also dual blades

[austere lintel]

Oh wait that makes sense ahah

[dire python]

I wanna try dual blades

...but also I have Seathorn

[austere lintel]

Rood was her bestie after all

[naive cloud]

Seathorn really slaps..

[austere lintel]

glad i have it cooking with less than 6 hours to go then mwhahaha

[naive cloud]

As soon as I got it I was like holy crap this thing hits like a truck even at rank 0

[austere lintel]

It'll be my first staff too lmaooo

I went straight into courage gameplay oops

[naive cloud]

Nothing wrong with that xD

I think seathorn is gunna shine in a grace+/spirit build

Since it already has 3 pips in spirit and 2 in grace we can add 3 grace to it and then get maximum slappage

[austere lintel]

AND ANOTHER DUPLICATE FROM MK.......

At least it was a Purity dup, I havnt had a dup of it yet hahaha

HELP I HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG AHAHA

[sly matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-intensifies-zootopia-intensifies-waiting-impatient-gif-9739240072909568285

[dire python]

wonder what kind of build I can do with Orengall

I don't wanna do full Courage, I did that plenty with Tethren

[austere lintel]

TULV IS NOW TAUNTING ME AHAHA

[dire python]

so I wanna cook something up involving Grace maybe

[austere lintel]

"id be keen to see it whole" IM TRYING TULV

[sly matrix]

Omg, it took me so many kills to get the final fragment for his chest xD

[austere lintel]

ong, been getting dups after dups ahaha

[sly matrix]

I got dupes of Purity, think I got like 13 fragments for it xD

[naive cloud]

Imma steal that purity

Give it to me, that thing, your purity

[austere lintel]

NUH UH ITS MY FIRST 3 STAR WEAPON!! XD

[naive cloud]

xD I’ve been trying to get it so much lol

That and freakin avex omfg

[sly matrix]

Omg, F' Avex! XD

[austere lintel]

If an when trading comes out i'll be more than happy to share some frags- OMG YES AVEX TOOO I ONLY NEED ONE MORE FOR AVEX TOO

[naive cloud]

Nono, F, Falx 😂😂😂

I have so many falx fragments I could open a factory

[austere lintel]

I swear if Organ gives me one more Falx... OOOOO XD

[sly matrix]

I always get Falx, but I've only gotten 1 Avex frag XD

[naive cloud]

Yeah it’s busted xD

[sly matrix]

RNG is funny like that, honestly don't understand why some people get upset by it 😛

[naive cloud]

Omg it’s insanitor I didn’t even realise xD I was talking to you in game yesterday

[sly matrix]

😄

[naive cloud]

Yeah it’s just a bit of fun xD

[sly matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/your-happy-workplace-wendy-conrad-no-autographs-please-no-autographs-im-famous-gif-17289078

[austere lintel]

no fr and like at least it drives you to keep trying too!

[naive cloud]

Nothing will be as bad ever for me than farming the anor londo silver knights in ds3 for proofs of a concord kept

[austere lintel]

omg.. never speak of ds3.. that was pain ahahaha

[sly matrix]

Especially during Preludes, where the farming is pretty much all the content we have 😛

[austere lintel]

Fr like just take a break if its upsetting you, teh game aint going anywhere XD

[naive cloud]

In my head I’m thinking if we farm now we’re set for the future lol

[sly matrix]

DS1 is still my favorite, feel the pacing and world a perfectly compacted game world, with lots of different biomes, enemies and a great (if vague) story 😄

[naive cloud]

Hard agree, I love ds1. Ds3 PvP however just feels a lot better to me, it’s a lot less backstab meta heavy xD

[austere lintel]

omg ds1, when i first played it iwas stuck on the tutorial boss for an hour ahahaha

my friends gave me sm shite too XD

[naive cloud]

As they should xD that’s part of the process 🤟😂

[sly matrix]

I really hope that the next game we'll see from FromSoftware will have a form of Seemless coop. They were really impressed by the seamless coop mod for Eldenring, and even tested the waters themselves with Nightreign

[naive cloud]

Agreeee

Recently did a group randomiser run of ds1 with 5 people and omfg it was so good

[austere lintel]

Litterally me to my fiance when i handed him the controler for Elden Ring Maleina fight and he almost won her first phase.. he then proceeded to say im just better than you XD

IT WAS ALSO NG+3 HES NEVER TOUCHED A SOULSBORNE

[naive cloud]

Man has talent, or he’s really into feet lol

[sly matrix]

Something I love about the soulsgames, is how some people will just slap bosses that others stuggle with, but then stuggle on some other boss.

For me personally, I took melania in just 2 tries. Her moveset just clicked for me and seemed easy to read... But I had like 60 attempts on Maliketh xD

[naive cloud]

Meanwhile me and my partner beat maliketh first try, and it took us 140 attempts to take out malenia

[austere lintel]

That was me with Fire giant on ER, most peopel struggle with him but he was so easy for me

[naive cloud]

144* specifically

[austere lintel]

HUH IM SORRY

oh i missread nvm

[naive cloud]

xD

[austere lintel]

OH WAIT NO I DIDNT

WHATYOU ARE A BEAST

THE LORE ACURATE TARNISHED

[naive cloud]

Yeah, you read right tho, 144 on malenia she was TOUGH

[austere lintel]

I meant Malekith like damn he took me at least 4 attempts first run

[naive cloud]

By the end of it though we were both dodging waterfowl like pros and almost no hitting her

[sly matrix]

When I got my friend to play DS1, he was killed repeatedly by the tutorial boss, the torus demon and the dragon... And then the guy walks in and slaps the Capra Demon in a straight face-to-face fight... I was speechless with my jaw dropping to the ground 😂

[austere lintel]

Waterfowl WAS THE BANE OF MY EXSISTENCE AAAAAAAAA

i COULD DODGE EVERYTHING ELSE

BUT WATERFOWLAAAAAAAAAAA

[naive cloud]

Absolutely AWFUL attack. Untiiil you learn how to dodge it then it lives up to its “dance” name lol

[sly matrix]

And then there are guys like "LetMeSoloHer" who just walks naked, knowing all the safe spots in the attack 😂

"Stop trying to hit me and hit me."

[naive cloud]

I think it’s cause he also took 200 attempts to beat her first time though

Like at that point you learn to read her like a book xD

[barren scroll]

On topic with soulframe please.

[naive cloud]

Sorry sorry!

[austere lintel]

oops.. sorry!!

[sly matrix]

Sorry 😇

[austere lintel]

To DMs!

[sly matrix]

We just have to wait till DE makes Eldenframe 😂

[naive cloud]

I mean moras hand is half way there, speaking of I need to get it still, is the flame as good as people say?

[sly matrix]

Anyways, I got alca rep to farm.. And lots of baskbulps to find, so I can get my Ode Tempest pact cooking today

[naive cloud]

Good luck!

[austere lintel]

I think its still one of the most top performing Pacts to this Preluides yeah

[naive cloud]

Imma farm for that next for sure, only got that and standard tethren to get now 😄

[sly matrix]

I personally avoid Tethren, it's too powerful 😂

[austere lintel]

I need to save some money to pick up Wyld Teth aye, that extra bonus courage will be INSANE

[sly matrix]

Especially if you have access to the additional points with Wyld Tethren

[naive cloud]

I’ll save that till last then xD

Are we allowed to post gameplay clips here?

[austere lintel]

I have, as long as its not self promotional I believe

[sly matrix]

Think so, I've done it before and never had someone yell at me 😄

[naive cloud]

Imma send that clip of the greatsword I took, satisfying as hell lol

[austere lintel]

Same as Warframes Discord honestly

[sly matrix]

Does sharing my amazing drap count as Self-promotion? 😂

[austere lintel]

Nah drip is drip you know as they say, Fashionframe IS endgame

[barren scroll]

What exactly is “drap” 🙃

[sly matrix]

Drap, drap, everything drap.

[barren scroll]

Style?

[austere lintel]

These new genz with all their confusing words /j

[halcyon thicket]

virminia says drab

[sly matrix]

It's an old french word that refers to a piece of Cloth or fabric, usually of a boring greying color 🙂

[austere lintel]

OH!!

Thats what she means!!

[halcyon thicket]

no, drab means dull

[barren scroll]

It’s a shame Im Gen Z as well and haven’t got a Scooby what that means 😂 the brain rot has got worse..

[halcyon thicket]

drap is french for covers, bed sheets etc

[barren scroll]

Yeah feel free to post it in here #1185638050651443210

Any drap can go here 👆

[austere lintel]

Im whats... early 2000s.. i dont want to be a gen z PLEASE XD

So i feel like im in the same boat ngl dw!!

[sly matrix]

Waves Cane Damn youngsters!

[barren scroll]

Same here but the stuff I see youngsters say like “6/7” and “toilet riz” is just ridiculous. Anyways enough of that I don’t want to go off topic to brain rot discussion 🤣

[austere lintel]

No same, LIKE WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!?

[halcyon thicket]

hop on soulf

the new genz slang

[sly matrix]

10/10 stealth gameplay ❤️
Solid Snake would be proud.

[austere lintel]

I didnt realise bows could blind....

[sly matrix]

It can't, it was the 1st ability for Sirin

[austere lintel]

OH!

Make's a lot more sense ahha

[barren scroll]

Honestly… you slayed insanitor 🤣

[naive cloud]

Must have been the wind

[wraith badge]

I kept seeing a line on the floor and I thought I had some weird rendering bug.

Turns out the zipline wire actually casts a shadow.

[naive cloud]

Ermahgerd realistic lighting in my soulframe game

[languid tiger]

Is The Alder staff better than the Seathorn now?

[naive cloud]

No

Alder is good for sure but seathorn is a different beast

[languid tiger]

What the difference since The Alder has seemingly better base stats?

[naive cloud]

Alder slaps like a truck, seathorn slaps like a full blown bullet train cause it also has the grace scaling

[wraith badge]

I suspected "Maybe it's a shadow?" but I was thinking "What on earth would cast that kind of shadow in this place?"
Was surprised to see it was the zipline, that seems like the kind of thing the shadow system wouldn't register as existing.

[languid tiger]

Alder is attack (+57) 97 while the Seathorn is attack (+48) 92

[halcyon thicket]

seathorn has higher damage

[austere lintel]

Well, Im off for the night, It was very nice to chat with you guys! GL with all your farms and such everyone! And ill see you all tomorrow - Watch me still not get my last MK torso frag tomorrow ahaha

[naive cloud]

I guess maybe at rank 30 it has higher base damage but earlier on it isn’t as strong?

Idk when I first got mine it was already doing a ton of damage at rank 0

Don’t remember the specific number though

[naive cloud]

Cya! @austere lintel you too!

[languid tiger]

@naive cloud Is the attack figures not the correct numbers to be working from?

[halcyon thicket]

where are you seeing the stats

[naive cloud]

Depending on where you view them they can be a bit buggy, iirc best place to check is in the nightfold in your loadout place

[languid tiger]

Just in the weapon menu when selecting what to equip

[halcyon thicket]

u got enough virtue points for seathorn?

to max it's damage

[languid tiger]

Ok, this was the issue. I was just hovering the stats I didn't realise what you equip changes the stats

[naive cloud]

90 does seem quite low

[languid tiger]

my bad guys

[naive cloud]

Makes sense xD all good!

[languid tiger]

I thought the stats are base stats not what the stats are when you're fully equiped

[wraith badge]

Ever since Thawtide I've been attacking random civilians thinking they are spies out of paranoia.

Surely there's a social commentary about this.

[naive cloud]

Do you have an alder pic with full spirit attunement too?

[halcyon thicket]

Sorry I just closed the game

[naive cloud]

I’m out atm so i can’t get on

Nah you’re good you’re good I’ll compare when I’m home

[halcyon thicket]

It's the same

[sly matrix]

Alder has nearly twice the smite chance though, 5% vs 9%

[naive cloud]

I’m thinking of putting a thrice saphene on my seathorn and running a grace/spirit build to see the damage potential

[naive cloud]

Yeah.. that’s interesting

[ripe bone]

too bad no headshot mult anymore for magick weps

but the uncapped damage on heavies is still decent with runes

[naive cloud]

Yeah I never got to experience that

Anyone got a recommendation for a good complementary secondary to a staff main?

Probably grace base

[sly matrix]

Magick Bracers, for that sweet fantasy of being able to cast spells with or without the staff 😄

[languid tiger]

I usually bring the Grinn for puzzles if needed

[vagrant kayak]

I like having a melee option if I'm using a Staff, Verdigris has Spirit scaling so usually does quite well, or you can bring Clivers if you prefer a dual blade

[naive cloud]

For puzzles?

[naive cloud]

Ooh I haven’t tried dual blades yet actually

[languid tiger]

Yeah like for Crypt of Circade for the pressure plates

[naive cloud]

Ahh I’m with you

I see I see, ty guys I’ll have a play around with some options ^^

[tame remnant]

Anyone happen to know how to enter this castle? located south of the map

[naive cloud]

No way currently to get in, it might be a future seige location

[languid tiger]

Don't think it's been developed yet

[sly matrix]

i was gonna play around myself with trying Magick Bracers with the Dewelion, as its forest apperances could work as a Druid weapon 😄

[naive cloud]

I looove the Druid style stuff in this game

[tame remnant]

Ah ok, was just going by the known locations, that seemed the only one missing
Thanks 😄

[naive cloud]

Proper feywilds stuff

[vagrant kayak]

That's our ancestral castle and will feature in the upcoming Warsongs Fable more info at Tennocon this year

[naive cloud]

Intrigue is high xD

[languid tiger]

This game needs more grind like runescape. Lmao

[naive cloud]

I suppose the levelling system could be compared to rs, but it’s different for sure

Like the weapon type levelling

[sly matrix]

IIRC the devs actually adressed this in one of their recent streams. Talking about how they'd like the game to have a more ARPG-feel grind. So lots of loot, even lower tier weapons and armor may become drops. With higher tier stuff still being fragmented and needing crafting. Personally, I'd love to see them try that direction 😄

[languid tiger]

I just finished maxing in osrs, need a replacement grind game lmao

[naive cloud]

I wonder when they’re planning on adding guilds even at a basic level

[sly matrix]

Probably not untill they're much closer to having the game in a state to open to the general public. The preludes are basically just a testing ground for all their systems and combat 🙂
So it makes sense they're focusing on actually making the gameplay loop and systems feel great, before focusing on all the community stuff 😄

[naive cloud]

Yeah true, by that point they’ll probably gunna have to make the chat a bit different too cause opening it up to the public and having everyone in one chat would be bedlam lol, it’d be like a popular twitch stream

[sly matrix]

Well, it works in Warframe 🙂

[naive cloud]

I’ll have to hop on WF again cause I didn’t even realise it was similar for chat stuff lol

[lament nacelle]

that and the preludes are here for us to find all the holes in the geometry they keep forgetting to fill in when they mess with an area

[sly matrix]

Also, when they get around to actually implementing proper tutorials, once they've decided on the final version of a system. The chats will be a lot less active, currently people need to ask about everything, because we literally have to teach each other the ropes 😄

[naive cloud]

Or floating houses

[lament nacelle]

man a witch cant have a magical floating house in this economy...

[sly matrix]

I blame Karsus

[languid tiger]

What envoy levels are you guys at?

[naive cloud]

Tbh yeah that’s true I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve told people that fast travel exists xD

[naive cloud]

Currently 14

[sly matrix]

16

[naive cloud]

Max mastery is when you’ve levelled EVERY weapons isn’t it?

And pact and got all location motes

[languid tiger]

I believe so yeah

[tulip geyser]

is it possible to run out of inventory space? cause i grab EVERYTHING i come across lol

[naive cloud]

That’s pain xD but fair enough

[languid tiger]

And maxed in all guilds

[naive cloud]

Afaik the only caps are those on health potions (obv) and faction materials

[sly matrix]

I wonder if Mastery Rank in Soulframe will just end up going way higher than it does in Warframe. Cause I'm only like 19 or so in WF after having played for a decade 😂

[naive cloud]

I think the last time I played warframe was 2017 xD

[sly matrix]

Warframes story got... Weird xD

And I'm totally there for it! 😂

[naive cloud]

Nvm I lied 2018

I never really got into it much

Idk just didn’t click with me like this game has 😅

[sly matrix]

I liked the whole built aspect, putting together different weapons and mods and just seeing how crazy it could get... I hope Soulframe gets something similar, but doesn't go as far off the rails with damage and numbers covering the screen being standard endgame 😛

[paper trout]

anyone got a good location for soulsbane ???

[sly matrix]

Corrupted Areas, like New Viscii, Galvanar Wastes and.. The place to the Southwest with Merdicant king

[paper trout]

perfect thanks 😄

[naive cloud]

You can sometimes find it in the Alca children enclave entrance too

But its not always there

[tulip geyser]

so far playing soulframe, i find myself just exploring and killing anything aggressive and looting anything i can find.

maybe 10 years from now i will start following the bird

[sly matrix]

There spawns a flower near the Alca enclave called Sanginar or something, haven't found that anywhere else in the game.. And only have like 20 of them from picking them up when visiting Alca

[naive cloud]

I must admit I don’t follow the bird nearly enough because the compass tells me where to go for the entire time after I’ve used the bird, maybe make the compass bird icon disappear too when the bird does

[naive cloud]

Yeah I noticed that too, I think it’s cause that one is used for quest to enter it

[sly matrix]

Oooooh, that would make sense, been ages since I did their entry quest 😄

[tulip geyser]

so for weapons, does the bow upgrade? or do i need to craft or find a bow for more damage?

[trim oriole]

have they fixed only getting 1 scan per login for the codex yet?

[tulip geyser]

and can you bind controlls to mouse buttons? like 3 pressing in mouse wheel, 4 and 5 for thumb buttons?

[naive cloud]

It’s inconsistent still, sometimes can fill like half my codex and other times it doesn’t work at all

[naive cloud]

Yes I’ve done that with my health potions

[naive cloud]

Your bow will increase in damage as it ranks (up to 30)

But other bows will be stronger in the long run too

[tulip geyser]

cause i have got to bind dodge roll to a different key, its just not working for me for dodge and sprint on the same key

[naive cloud]

You also get scaling based off your stats with them too

[naive cloud]

This is fair, just letting you know too the dash also counts as a dodge and it’s decent iframes

You don’t always need to do a full roll

[tulip geyser]

cause i panic when i can't whittle something down before it gets in my face, especialy the tanky sword guys who body me so fast

[naive cloud]

Yeah those guys are faster than they look

[tulip geyser]

i found a statue near some stone doors, and it asks for an offering of a certian flower, i give it the correct flower, it opens up the door, i see other players in there, but can't find anything in there to interact with

[naive cloud]

That’s the alca’s children enclave, you can talk to avakot in there and if you wear the right talisman he’ll let you join it

[languid tiger]

2 more pacts to max

[shrewd depot]

For some reason in faction shop i can rebuy the pacts i had but instead it has 3 stars?

What does it mean?

[naive cloud]

I feel like that’s a bug (having 3 stars) I think in the future you’ll be able to sell pacts so there might be a reason to have 2 of the same but can’t confirm

[shrewd depot]

Like i have 2 Osceldas right now

[naive cloud]

I think in warframe you can sell finished items so might be something coming over from that

[shrewd depot]

One's only 1 star and another 3 stars

[naive cloud]

That’s so weird yeah

Is that your pact select menu?

[languid tiger]

Keep the 3 star one lol

[shrewd depot]

That actually brings another question

Will i get to keep my levels on the pact i'm about to sell, then buy it again later in faction shop?

[languid tiger]

Either way, I'd risk it for the 3 star pact anyways tbhg

[smoky crater]

you'll keep the mastery but you'll need to level it up again if you craft it again

[shrewd depot]

The thing is there's only one option

They're not seperated in the NF shop

[smoky crater]

huh...

[naive cloud]

Scary lol

[shrewd depot]

Sooo infinite arc farm

[grand spindle]

is Faction shops bugged or smth changed with patches? Silent Rose sells Feybalt blessed by Iridis instead of Saphene, and also no Verite joineries at all

[smoky crater]

wat

[shrewd depot]

Sparrow tales is actually something in endgame?!!?

Wait

Do they restock a pact that i sold in faction shop

[sly matrix]

Yea, pretty sure you can buy as many pact dupes as you want

[smoky crater]

ya

[shrewd depot]

And then i can keep selling them for arcs

JACKPOTTTTTT

[naive cloud]

Surely not right?

[smoky crater]

you mean Dracs?

[naive cloud]

I was gunna say I thought it was dracs

And if anything surely it’d be diminishing returns

[grand spindle]

calm down, u cant sell them for arcs lol

[shrewd depot]

These

[smoky crater]

[naive cloud]

They sell for dracs don’t they?

[smoky crater]

wait wha.. huh???

[shrewd depot]

Nope

For arcs in NF shop

[naive cloud]

… 🤔

[shrewd depot]

F2P WINS

[smoky crater]

thaaat's 100% unintentional ._.

[naive cloud]

FBI OPEN UP

[smoky crater]

aight, support ticket, no public reports in #1438224825113120788 about that one

[shrewd depot]

Keep it this way so players stay to play the game

[smoky crater]

nnnnooo

[shrewd depot]

Yesyesyes

[smoky crater]

nonono

[naive cloud]

No that needs to be addressed asap

[shrewd depot]

But yeah that's actually wild

That it's possible

[smoky crater]

wat

went to check out of curiosity and it's dracs for me

[grand spindle]

possible ragebait case 🙂

[sly matrix]

BenÆ got the magic build! 😮

[smoky crater]

ragebait? bruh

[sly matrix]

DE Hit Squads has been dispatched.

[smoky crater]

are you 100% sure?

because it definitely shows Dracs and not Arcs for me

[sly matrix]

It only works if you sell your favorite pact and weapon 🤓

[smoky crater]

i checked every pact ._.

[grand spindle]

hes gone silent haha

[shrewd depot]

Haven't hit that final step yet

[smoky crater]

._.

[grand spindle]

Hows it going? have 1000 arcs collected already? 😄

[smoky crater]

nah i got 3.4k

it actually worked i lied

||spoiler alert: that was a lie aswell||

[shrewd depot]

I just sold all my pacts for 5k arcs

[grand spindle]

pics please

[shrewd depot]

The wealth don't show how rich they are

[grand spindle]

told you he is a troll. Have a nice day:)

[sly matrix]

Share some, I'm running low 😭

[smoky crater]

Never

[languid tiger]

Anyone know how to abandon this sparrows tale?

The boss camp isn't spawning

[smoky crater]

From your Journal

[languid tiger]

Do you have a screenshot by chance? Cant seem to find it plz and ty

nvm found it ty

[dire python]

I love it when I use a magick weapon to try and kill an enemy archer or caster and my envoy decides to target a random box off to the side instead

[agile horizon]

why doesn't mestra tag spawn on the shipwrecks? i have the hat on

the quest wrecks are different from the farm wrecks?

[half talon]

They aren’t different, just RNG

[naive cloud]

Peak autotarget moment

Any long range attacks I just instinctively hold right click first lol

[agile horizon]

they can just not spawn or there can only be a certain number of them spawned?

you can't just say "rng" and expect it to be enough

[naive cloud]

I feel like only a certain amount of them can be spawned at any time and maybe they’re grouped into different groups of spawns so only one can spawn per group

[agile horizon]

and they don't even bother announcing their presence, nice crew

does anyone have Carmo's number? i want a refund

0\10 crew

[trim oriole]

I heard once that where the wrecks spawn is based on time of day

but i was long done with it when i heard that so havent tested

[tender bone]

im losing my braincells where do u farm moranite

[sly matrix]

Just curious, anyone else getting this message?
I get it on every login, but that IP has nothing to do with my network xD

[river elk]

if you do votives it just drops

also avokot seller sometimes has

[agile horizon]

rare chests

[naive cloud]

Nope xD not seen that one chief

[halcyon thicket]

cause that IP is DE's

[sly matrix]

Ah figured it out, it was related to my VPN.. Which apprently does not offer Port-forwarding service :/

There we go, with no VPN it works as intended ^^

[subtle salmon]

Loving the game so far, but the history 'motes' unlocking the town names is not a good play by the devs.. (Let alone they are effected by day/night cycles, cmon..). It annoyed my co-op group. And just pushed us to use google to bypass this to save time. Left our maps confusing and forgettable af.
And if you don't want to be playing this easter-egg-hunt b.s., some quests force you to do it anyways...

Also, there should not be such a grind to get fast travelling between world trees. There is enough grinding built in as it is. A little more quality of life would go a long way.

Best regards. Looking forward to seeing how the game evolves

[analog grove]

hey all is there a way to get unstuck if your stuck in the scenery or is it just relog?

[dapper vector]

in the chat window you can /unstuck

[analog grove]

ahh ty

[dapper vector]

found that out yesterday myself lol many other games use it so figure id try

[half talon]

Worth putting into #1438224662344761345

[sly matrix]

When your playlist understands the assignment 😂

[dense raven]

Have to setup port forwarding for all computers playing game. Make sure to offset the ports forwarded for the two. So they don’t overlap.

[smoky crater]

*if you were to scroll down a bit there you'd notice said problem was already fixed 👀 *

[dense raven]

Glad it was fixed. No attitude needed, there are so many chats that it’s not easy to see if there was a response.

[smoky crater]

i mean... it was like 5 messages that entire thing

but sure

[spark jackal]

trhow damage is not heavy attack right?

[dusky socket]

Correct, it's based off light attack dmg, with additional dmg on Perfect Throws, if you have that point spent in Combat Arts.

[cold peak]

is there a specific spot I need to go to do the new seige?

[dusky socket]

NE corner of map, the big fort on the coast

There's stairs or a lift that take you down the back side

[cold peak]

and you dont need to get to one of the trees to start it?

[halcyon thicket]

no, i'd advise against it

[cold peak]

understood

[spark jackal]

got it, thanks

[pliant stump]

What’s the best staff for a mage

[halcyon thicket]

new one

silistavf

[hoary saddle]

Is there any difference between using a verite or gildaur joinery anymore? The only thing ive seen is nowhere to get a verite thrice mora but gildaur ones exist. Like if it does no diff anymore I can just use a purple one right?

[dusky socket]

Correct. The only difference is what weapon types they can be used on, with Gildaur applying to all weapons.

[iron falcon]

Avex shards can drop in every organ encounter right?

[dusky socket]

Correct

[signal agate]

how to uninstall soulsframe

i need help pls

[dusky socket]

Just go to Programs in computer settings, should be able to uninstall there

[signal agate]

i did but only 700mb just the launcher not the game

[halcyon thicket]

u can use a 3rd party app, revo is good, or just move the whole Soulframe folder to trash

[signal agate]

i couldnt even find the soulframe location when i click open file location its just show me the shortcut

💀

[vagrant kayak]

The default install location is in your AppData folder, though uninstalling through the Control Panel should remove the game completely

[signal agate]

can u guide me how? its very confusing

[vagrant kayak]

Control Panel > Programs > click Soulframe and click uninstall

There's really not anything more to it than that

The default install location if you want to delete files directly (not recommended) is C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\Local\Soulframe

[signal agate]

how much is soulframe size?

[vagrant kayak]

12-ish GB

[echo horizon]

Where do I find synods maiden flowers? I need some to make a dye I want

[rough vault]

Hi everyone, I need some help with Rose standing. I've been doing several activities but I'm not gaining any standing at all—it’s always stuck at 0. Do I need to equip something specific? Also, do Organs or Sieges not grant any standing? I haven't gained anything since I reached Rank 3. Any ideas what's going on?

[drifting steppe]

How about 3 Mestras? I think I now know how to reliably spanw them.

[mighty relic]

have u reached ur daily standing?

[stark orbit]

You don't get standing for factions from Organs/Sieges. Best place to farm is T3 Votives from the World Tree at the NE (North-East of the map). Also there is a daily cap of 16k, but you can also get tokens from enemies that you can turn in at your faction enclave for more standing past that cap

[rough vault]

ah ok thanks!

[vagrant kayak]

Synod's Maiden can be found in areas corrupted with Ichor, so the ichor swamps in the south-west, south-east, middle-ish of the map and north

[atomic perch]

hey so how does bestitching work like if i bestitch a piece of amor could i then put it over any armor i get in the future

[visual radish]

Yup

It is a different "layer"

With a separate menu

Like you have the menu for cosmetic armor

And back in the arsenal the menu for actual armor

[atomic perch]

so like if i bestitch my pensive's cloak then went and built armor in the future i could put it over that armor right?

[visual radish]

Bestitched stuff goes over the slot, instead of a particular armor

[atomic perch]

ok thx for elaborating cause thats really nice

[visual radish]

Once you bestitch something you can just equip it to say chest slot

[spark jackal]

do side arm totem totem stats disable if not using?

[drifting steppe]

Ugh, can't get mestre's hat

[echo horizon]

Where do you get moranite?

[digital turret]

How about getting her out of the ship?

[magic ore]

hey could anyone hook me up with a code? i hate to ask but ive been waiting a while. please and thank you for your time and efforts!

[smoky crater]

not allowed to ask for codes here

[magic ore]

sorry!!!

Which chat should i relocate to?

[upbeat cradle]

not allowed to ask for codes here... in the server

[magic ore]

my friend got one from this server?

dont see why it would be an issue for de only means more ppl in the game

[visual radish]

It's in the rules

Also only asking is against the rules, if someone offers it is fine

[magic ore]

oh i didnt know my apologizes

[digital turret]

I can give it

[digital turret]

I sent you a private message

[smoky crater]

people are allowed to give codes away yes, but it's against the rules to ask for them

[digital turret]

I can give these away too—maybe someone needs them 🙂

[zenith knoll]

he is green for an amazing reason

[sinful scarab]

got bored and stopped at 6 (solo)

[digital turret]

https://youtu.be/VLlU-rV-ces

[sinful scarab]

wait what?, how??

[digital turret]

https://youtu.be/b3rKeWTosnM

[sinful scarab]

ohhhh the og fast travel, use bromius rump thump

[sinful scarab]

ohhhhh this is huge info , i was able to trigger her fight while entering an enlcave before, with this i might be able to bring her inside, maybe she'll kill the avocados

[digital turret]

Hahaha, I think he's immortal.

[sinful scarab]

you should replay the rise envoy fable , you can do some fun things playing as young envoy

[digital turret]

Wow, I didn't even know this content existed. It wasn't there before, and I've never replayed the missions : )

[atomic lynx]

logging on right now to run young envoy

how do old players not know this

[sinful scarab]

we're not supposed to play as him outside of the hut part of the fable,
-# but the doesn't mean you can't...

[digital turret]

I never replay missions I've already completed. And I wasn't offered the chance to play this quest after it was added, so that's just how it turned out.

[finite stone]

the child soldier will never not make me smile

[iron falcon]

do I lose my standing when changing factions? Lets say I have 10k with Rose, and move to Alca, if I move back to Rose will the 10k still be there?

[digital turret]

I've only just started, but I've already managed to drag my original body inside—and a new one too)

And it looks like it ended right away... I'm stuck in a tree lol

[sinful scarab]

wow you're figuring it out so quickly, scary

[finite stone]

You don't lose any, it'll still be there

[sinful scarab]

figured it out, its the dash attack, its how she leaves, now for step two

[spice elbow]

how do you disccover the names of locations

[finite stone]

You've gotta absorb history motes using pull smite! It's explained on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Locations page:

[spice elbow]

so its the same as in prelude 8, ok

i just cant find any for some reason idk why

[finite stone]

hmm which location? Some of them (especially Kairness that one is crazy) spawn really far out, or in weird positions

[digital turret]

So far, I can't figure out how to leave the house while in the child's body

[spice elbow]

its like small little areas with a few houses and some enemies

[finite stone]

sometimes it just takes a relog to get them to spawn in better locations, other times you have to search much farther than you'd expect (like the Kairness ones can sometimes spawn at the organ instead of in the town itself lmao)

[spice elbow]

interesting, ill look around then

[finite stone]

tbf though it does look like some people have been having issues getting them to spawn at all in P14? #envoy-gathering message so it may possibly be bugged, I hope you find some but don't waste your time if they are bugged and hopefully DE will fix soon 🙏

[smoky crater]

if i had a ultrawide, that'd be muh wallpaper honestly

[spice elbow]

ill look around

[finite stone]

first person shots in soulframe are gorgeous, I can't wait for a photomode

my contender albeit not as wide

[finite stone]

You might need to complete this quest first #envoy-gathering message if you haven't yet!

[sinful scarab]

spoiler: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1449824690939105382

[spice elbow]

oh yeah im currently working on that rn

[sinful scarab]

hahaha you’re ruining the fable

[digital turret]

Wow, I wouldn't have thought of the /unstuck command anytime soon.

By the way, the quest completely glitched out for me. I started playing a song on my alt character, and it switched me back to my main character, after which I finished playing it on my main and everything froze.

[halcyon thicket]

That command is more helpful than u think

[hollow trail]

How come I never see anyone in game lol

[spice elbow]

so i found the silent rose enclave but dont have the talisman to talk to the girl

[halcyon thicket]

It's invite only

[runic crescent]

you see them in common areas

[digital turret]

A child was killed, 18+ content

[crude belfry]

No wonder I couldn't find the sprout sales guy... He is literally inside the tree trunk

[visual radish]

Lol

That one i hadnt seen before

[visual radish]

The little guy has been standing around for a while huh

[atomic perch]

im debating on buying a wylld pact to inv my friend but i really dont know which pact would be good

[crude belfry]

I was running around in circles for 10 minutes before I found him xD

[crude belfry]

try the base pacts see which one you like and let the wyld pact allow you to upgrade it to 60 points 🙂

[atomic perch]

i spent like 40 minutes in the intro thing trying them all and if im being honest i liked non of them i ended choosing sirin but just didnt find any of them interesting

[crude belfry]

they are a bit basic oscelda is my preferred but thats due to healing, / etc and I mained wisp in warframe for a long itme

[atomic perch]

it also sucks cause i have to spend an extra 5$ on a visa cause its not off steam

[atomic perch]

but yeah oscelda seems interesting like i prefer its look to the other two but also im thinking maybe tethren

[crude belfry]

Sirin to me seemed the least useful but thats because I miss the backstap 90% of the time

tethrin just scale Courgage to the moon press 1 and slap things

[atomic perch]

yeah i dislike Sirin it was my starting class and im just thinking tethrin cause its buffs are good so thatd be interesting to use

[crude belfry]

currently playing orengall scaling into green, for all the doggos! xD

can have 3 out atm

also funny when mommy doggo comes to obliterate your enemy

[atomic perch]

same lol

[digital turret]

In short, I've already crashed the game like 5 times while testing different ways to give the kid weapons and skills.

[zenith knoll]

sadly this isn't the -frame game where you play as child soldiers

[atomic perch]

i somehow forget you play as a child solider in warframe lol

[digital turret]

Haha, good point

[atomic perch]

what did you do

[digital turret]

I broke my face

[atomic perch]

im curious hair style 1 or 2?

[digital turret]

1

[atomic perch]

\

[digital turret]

Also, I now have a rapier on my ass for some reason.

[atomic perch]

how are you even breaking this so badly

[digital turret]

I'm just naturally good at this, haha

[atomic perch]

im currently just waiting on my friend to finish making me a profile based on my character

[halcyon sky]

can you repeat sieges in other players worlds

[digital turret]

yes

[spice elbow]

aaaannd this is glitched

[digital turret]

https://youtu.be/n5ZdNjxIhtY

[sinful scarab]

lmao

what are you trying to do exactly?

[digital turret]

Actually, I was just trying to get out of the Nightfold because I got stuck in there.

https://tenor.com/view/viyeongg-bored-monkey-gif-27573689

[spice elbow]

okay so i got a new ancestor but they arent showing up in the nightfold

[sinful scarab]

who?

[spice elbow]

verminia

[digital turret]

Honestly, breaking quests is even more fun than just running around the world hunting for bugs. Now I know what I'll be doing in the game for the next week, for sure.

[spice elbow]

oh nvm i js had to leave and come back

[sinful scarab]

haha yes it is, unfortunately i rushed Orlick quests and finished the final part without trying to mess around with it first, did you finish it? or can you mess around with it?

[sly matrix]

He's just all grown up 😂

[sinful scarab]

no no no no he’s too young for this

[digital turret]

I was expecting to get put back into my original body after the Cogah, but I just ended up with a black screen.

[spice elbow]

i uhh, already did this...

[smoky crater]

hop out of that screen and back in

[restive monolith]

anyone else experiencing duelo pact auto-targetting the Duo Duelo as if it was an enemy?

[spice elbow]

ye i did, twas easy

[languid tiger]

Why does the Rovgot wyrm take so long to spawn in

[halcyon thicket]

U might not be close enough

[languid tiger]

I run around the entire arena lol

Where do I need to be standing to make it spawn

[iron temple]

On rare occasions the delay and also the detection for activation can get wierd. The encounter activation area is somewhere on that platform with the pillars so just run around on it... 😅

[drifting steppe]

Lore accurate

[drifting steppe]

All my Mestras that I spawned are not fighting back, but my auto-lock is locking on them making the fight impossible x)

[languid tiger]

Seems like the baby wyrms also drop that rare sword

[languid tiger]

34/65 FOES
9/12 ANIMALS

[lavish smelt]

can someone help me out and send a screenshot of their completed rovgot ruins' journal entry? want to see how it looks like

[sacred girder]

Can the duel boss be done in a party?

[clear osprey]

is there something bugged with long blade totems? I have found 18 totems and not a single one is for long blade...

[gusty sky]

RNG

[tender bone]

is odiac good?

[lament path]

The magic gauntlets are generally about equivalent, odiac does have a nice looking lightning visual

[slim bramble]

imagine ascending to an Ode Skytower, visiting the upper atmosphere of Alca, and fighting one of the Ode's star gods.

[ruby ocean]

E

[austere lintel]

Can someone who owns Tempest or Mora's hand could they show me what the pact arm looks like? Just curious as im farming them soon!

Kinda wanna see if they'll match my current look or if I need to but some moonsteal haha

[languid tiger]

Anyone able to circle all 3 organ locations for me by chance?

[austere lintel]

Yep one second!

[languid tiger]

Oh wicked thanks, im sure ill find im stupid for no knowing. I know where 2 are, but don't know the names

[distant jungle]

You can see the organ symbol from the map.

[languid tiger]

tyvm sir

[distant jungle]

Once you know what it looks like it's easy to spot.

[austere lintel]

They sort of show a "square" on map too that's how i learnt the locations

[languid tiger]

Yeah I knew where the top 2 were just not the south most one

[distant jungle]

The square I feel is them being transplated, cus one was moved recently.

And the map probably wasn't properly updated cus it ain't that important.

So some sitching residue perhaps.

[austere lintel]

Oh damn, I hope I didnt mark the wrong areas then ahahaha

[distant jungle]

Oh no you marked the right ones.

It's just that those are the new locations.

They used to be different, at least one of them.

Like that square on the middle one is probably the remnant of its original terrain.

It was snipped and moved.

[austere lintel]

Ohhh I see now what you mean

It yeah litterally looks cut out and placed over top haha

[distant jungle]

Which, again, understandable. Updating the map in full probably takes a lot of work.

And just ain't necessary right now.

[austere lintel]

Oh 100%!

[distant jungle]

I just think it looks funny.

[austere lintel]

Same hehe funny square event!

[loud bluff]

I've gone to each point the Juniper fragments are suppose to drop, but it appears I've activated all three.. am I missing something?

[clear osprey]

took me 30 to find one for long blade lol

[gusty sky]

the square one wasn't even moved, and the one that did move, moved to the original position (it was NE before the organ update, then the organ update hit and it was NW, and now it's back NE)

[distant jungle]

Huh, funny.

[atomic perch]

is there a cd on fighting this guy?

[distant jungle]

The square does look transplanted though, so might've just been from sometime else.

[gusty sky]

here's it in the NE before the organ update proper.

[atomic perch]

would i want to make the navalha scale with courage?

[dire python]

30 mins

[atomic perch]

k thx

[dire python]

same with all agari

...wait

yeah, all Agari have a 30m cooldown

[cloud palm]

Is it me or are clivers damage really low?

[distant jungle]

That's just any two sword shortblade.

DR is flat right now, and that entire category gets shafted because of that.

Very much the weakest type right now. The single sword ones perform much better, funnily enough.

Moveset also isn't the best on the two swords, overall it'll probably get looked at eventually.

[upbeat cradle]

i used them for the codexicon bc of that lol

[sly escarp]

It being a percent reduction pre-p11 also wasn't working, hopefully they find a solid middle ground like having a damage threshold you have to meet with your weapon then beyond that threshold is percent reduction

[distant jungle]

I didn't know we had DR at all pre P11 lol.

[cloud palm]

Yeah, like even the damage numbers in the menu aren't that comparable to my Cobladh

[distant jungle]

But yeah, most games use a formula, not entirely flat or percentage I don't think.

And flat DR has never worked all that well to my knowledge, wherever it's attempted.

[sly escarp]

Definitely felt like we did, that or the enemy health scaling formula was overtuned AF

[distant jungle]

I do expect that to be fleshed out eventually, it works enough for now.

[cloud palm]

Like, Im using the totem that reduces the armor damage with attacks but steel feel like the damage isn't meeting the standards of other daggers

[distant jungle]

Honestly might be the case. I thought DR was introduced, not changed.

[sly escarp]

That would be because those totems don't tell you a very important detail: they only apply the reduction once and it doesn't stack

[distant jungle]

I mean it's still a flat boost of like 10-25 or so, depending on totem rarity, and that's normally quite a bit.

It's that the weapon's damage is so low that it barely matters anyway.

[cloud palm]

Oh

[sly escarp]

True, but the totem doesn't say it doesn't stack so it's easy to assume multiple fast hits would act like an armour shredder

[distant jungle]

Yeah armor down totems are a one-time flat boost to damage after hitting a dude once.

Still usually quite useful.

[agile horizon]

f3\nv got it right. The class of armor dictated the vague range of the damage reduction and the rank scaled the treshold (also within the class range)

[sly escarp]

Agreed, still quite useful but the effect would be the same on a single short blade vs a double

[cloud palm]

But yeah, those numbers aren't concinving me yet

[sly escarp]

So there's not much incentive to use the double, u fortunately.

[sly escarp]

Also doesn't help it's a common and as such has terrible scaling

[distant jungle]

Yeah, it just comes down to the difference in base damage. Double shortblades are by far the weapon that most focuses on volume over quality per hit.

And that hurts it immensely with the current DR system.

[sly escarp]

Commons have a lower scaling cap than uncommons and rares, made worse by the fact their base damage is so low.

[distant jungle]

You can feel this shortcoming on S+S too, notably, but it's more manageable.

It's closer to that threshold where an armor totem usually lets it perform well enough.

But it's cutting it close sometimes.

[minor marlin]

can you do this in multiplayer or no?

[cloud palm]

Oh, that explains why I was pumping my grace high yet I wasn't getting anything

[sly escarp]

So Clivers is: the lowest base damage weapon type, at the lowest rarity, which has double the limitations on getting good scaling

[agile horizon]

double shortblades used to be op with the old tempest and rood. I guess they thought they'd have more sources of flat added damage

instead they removed all of them

[sly escarp]

The weapon itself isn't designed to be useful outside of the early game, and it being the worst grip type only sealed its fate

[cloud palm]

Wait, there's more than just one double shortblades?

[distant jungle]

That was just Tempest being OP lol.

[sly escarp]

Yeah, the rest just take your primary slot

[agile horizon]

the orb gave you flat damage against all enemies affected

[distant jungle]

The orb gave you 4x damage.

[sly escarp]

Unsula, Rivt II, Royal Tines

[cloud palm]

Oh, shame

[minor marlin]

can you fight maestro carmo in multiplayer?

[distant jungle]

Yes.

[minor marlin]

ok well it ain't working

[cloud palm]

I wanted to go double shortblade + Staff for my Tempest loadout

[agile horizon]

it was a multiplier?

[distant jungle]

Yep.

[sly escarp]

Yes but be warned doing the Fable (or any Fable) in Multiplayer tends to get very buggy

[cloud palm]

Guess it's Cobladh and Silisvtaf

[minor marlin]

it just isnt even working rn
is there a specific way to start it or?

[sly escarp]

You wearing the blue ribbon?

[minor marlin]

mhm, so is my partner

[sly escarp]

Hm. Did you recently complete the fable?

[cloud palm]

Huh, just notice dewellion's attacks got change to the rapier set except the heavy and throw attacks

[minor marlin]

I completed it like
a week ago?

I havent done it since

[distant jungle]

Makes me sad about it not meshing with my virtues lol, as it's the best 'rapier' right now because its base damage wasn't lowered for the faster moveset.

[gusty sky]

the heavy for the dewelion is one of the unique aspects of it (vetch shares it, but it stole it from the dewelion which had it first)

[sly escarp]

Not sure then. Have def seen reports it's a bit buggy to start it sometimes

[cloud palm]

I kinda use it for my "palladin-esque" garren build

[sly escarp]

You might need to find another shipwreck

[cloud palm]

With Grace and Spirit prism

[minor marlin]

ok thank you

[distant jungle]

I rock the wyld teth prism and a 33/15/15 split, which isn't enough to meet req.

And I don't want to change my build around it. I adhere weapons to my build, not the other way around.

Plenty of other great options though, so I'm not too hurt by it, and the funny definitely-not-a-cutlass-DE is fun.

[cloud palm]

Ngl I really wish block on magick weapons was less niche

I feel like it's another system up for a rework

[distant jungle]

Is it? You can block hits as normal, you just also get a special magic interaction.

[gusty sky]

Magick weapns in general have needed a look at from the start IMO.

[distant jungle]

Why? They're plenty strong right now.

[cloud palm]

I mean, the inability to parry physical attacks does kinda hurt since parrying voltaic attacks is harder and scarcer since there isn't a clear indication of what is and isn't a voltaic projectile

[cloud palm]

They might be strong but they also are pretty much just reskinned versions of one another with few exceptions

[sly escarp]

*magick attacks, technically

[cloud palm]

Like all 3 magick gloves are the same but with different colors and virtues

[distant jungle]

They're still experimenting with different movesets, the new one is different.

[sly escarp]

Doesn't have to be voltaic type specifically

[distant jungle]

Many melees are still carbon copies of each other.

It's not a magic-only thing.

[cloud palm]

And the only recently new staff is the silivstaf that has a unique moveset in comparison to others

[distant jungle]

Bows and Staves just got a member each with a new set.

[cloud palm]

And I also think that needs a look too

[atomic perch]

they should add a feature with orengall where you can like toggle what mode you want the wolfs to be in by holding 2 like have them attack everything they see or only what you attack

[distant jungle]

It's getting a look, this is just a pre-alpha. We cannot reasonably expect the giant pile of weapons we'll get from this game eventually to all be entirely unique.

[cloud palm]

I see, but it is kinda niche and the wording of the Arts description doesn't help that much

[sly escarp]

Yeah, it's...not ideal.

[distant jungle]

So there'll be less variations than there are weapons, moveset-wise, but there'll definitely be more variation than there is now.

[gusty sky]

They're boring light spam that rewards inactivity by finding a cheese spot for the most part. The one time where they rewarded interaction was unintended mechanic of grace applying headshot mult so you had a reason to aim. Also while the Silly-staff has different animations, the core of the weapon is still the same.

[distant jungle]

It's something they're actively working on.

[cloud palm]

I mean, it being a pre-alpha is the reason why a lot of people are voicing their criticism of the system

[sly escarp]

Many attacks you might assume to be Magick, like the charged archer shot, actually can be parried with a blade

[cloud palm]

If nobody voices it out their feedback no changes are made

[distant jungle]

My point is more that it's something they've mentioned a lot and have made steady progress in, so complaining as if that isn't happening feels weird.

The changes are already actively being made gradually as they work on more animations.

It's been a thing for a while now.

[cold crag]

Why would the charged archer shot be magic?

[atomic perch]

i mean if you look at like warframe for example the weapons on a grand scale lack variety so i just hope this game gives weapons way more special effect

[cloud palm]

I think they should give the weapons different elemental effects like in Warframe

Like the Basker's Wresth could have tics of armor reduction with it's attacks, or Silivstaf deals chaining tics of voltaic lightning at enemies

[gusty sky]

I believe them going from weapons being versatile multi-tools (like melee weapons and old bows) to "this is range exclusive" was a step in the wrong direction and magick weapons are another stone on that step I feel really goes into the direction of inactivity and for me, disinterest.

[distant jungle]

It is, it does at least partial magic damage, it just can also be parried.

Much like a banneret's flaming or zappy melee hits. Partial magic, can still be parried with the right skill.

[sly escarp]

100%! And personally have been very glad to see that feedback leading to more experiments in movesets and animations. Just gonna take a bit as there's only so many hands and likely many more weapon animations they want to make.

[cloud palm]

To me it feels like DE should give weapons unique passives or gimmicks to help diffirinteate (English is not my second language lol) them more and possibly add combinations that'd make player's have unique build-crafting

For example

I feel like heavy attacking with the Avex should toggle a "melee" mode where you can swing the bow like an actual club

[cold crag]

Ah I see, also I definitely didn't articulate what I meant very well lmao I was thinking more along the lines of "why would it have the qualities of being unparryable given that it's a projectile" because I would expect a firebolt to also be parryable.

Right now I can't think of any circumstances where I've parried a firebolt or similar magic though so maybe that's a bad assumption lmao

[cloud palm]

And heavy attacking again would toggle back to bow mode

[sly escarp]

It seems we may be getting something like that next update with the random rolls. Personally hoping the RNG tables are different between weapons, give each one more of a niche.

[gusty sky]

That doesn't really change that they're mechanically uninteresting to use.

Give me odaic that functions akin to baruuk fists with a more ranged attack as an option not just the light spam combo. Make staves a wild-card that can vary, say the silly-staff since the casts currently are pokes, it acts like a spectral spear, but gwylen acts more like a spellsword. Or have a mixture of these faux weapon 'casts' for the melee options, and still have the ranged casts.

[distant jungle]

True, you can also parry the magic stuff currently thrown at you, like the electric slash thingies and all of the attacks from the bosses in the new siege.

Unless something is on the floor, you can parry it I'm pretty sure.

[cold crag]

Oh! That I didn't know, I hadn't tried lmao

That feels like a satisfying system

[cloud palm]

I do fear that the roll system might make it too boring and maybe punishing, I really really hope it is an optional system that doesn't affect gameplay much as players would be quick to roll the higher stat one and that opens the floodgates for a new level of powercreep we don't want to repeat

[distant jungle]

What some may not know is that parry can be used pretty much any time your feet are on the ground, which I find hilarious. In the middle of an attack animation? You can't block until you finish it, you can you? You can't, but if you input block anyway at the right time for a parry, you will cancel out of the attack and swap to the parry animation.

[cold crag]

I do kinda wish the parry timing was more intuitive though, it feels like they have a vastly different timing than any other games. Or, vastly as in a couple miliseconds of difference, but it's enough to throw me off.

[sly escarp]

Not sure it's going to be random stats, possibly random perks. Regardless it sounds like the random might include some negative and positive to it, so it's tradeoff not just strict upgrade.

[distant jungle]

This works while casting arcanics too, though finishing your cast instead takes priority. This means that, if you input block as an enemy hits you while you're casting, their sword will just bounce off of you while you ignore them.

[gusty sky]

Hold block.

[distant jungle]

They cannot pierce the strength of your conviction.

[cold crag]

As long as they have a system like with Kuva/Coda weps where you can fuse them to make it better I'm not sure that'd be a bad thing.

[atomic perch]

i feel like whenever i try to parry like i do in sekiro it just doesnt work like i feel like i have to parry before they attack rather than during their attack

[gusty sky]

Like actually, holding block makes parries easier if you're having trouble timing them with a tap.

[distant jungle]

Oh yeah never tap parry cus you're cutting your parry frames short.

All a parry is is the first few frames of your block animation.

End block, you end parry if you're still in those frames.

[cold crag]

The timing feels like it's post-windup, pre-hit, but a milisecond or two before the actual pre-hit that I would expect.

[cloud palm]

Yeah, I hope they do that, I do think there needs to be less of the frustrating RNG that plagues some of Warframe's most infamous grinds, I already suffered a lot with the Mestra set, Espadarte and Silly-staff farms, right now my bane of existence is the Purity grind 😭

[gusty sky]

I can tap parry because I know what I'm doing and I have the timings right, but if you're learning timings, hold.

[cold crag]

A PARRY ISN'T JUST A TAP?

[sly escarp]

Anyways, DE is putting in work to get new weapon animations and variety in the gamez but the more unique each one is, the longer it takes and the more it draws resources from other things. We're still seemingly in the experimentation phase on them overall.

[cold crag]

:table flip:

[distant jungle]

It is not, it's just the first moment of your block.

If you block is not active, you cannot parry.

Thus, letting go of block can let go of parry early.

I always hold for like a half second to get all them frames.

[cold crag]

That must be why my timing is always off, I bet the first 1-2 frames after clicking block don't count for parry?

[gusty sky]

They do, just you gotta be good with the timing @cold crag

[cold crag]

alas

[distant jungle]

I'm not sure but it doesn't feel like block starts instantly, so perhaps. Though that may just be input lag for all I know.

[gusty sky]

I'm able to do it consistently with a tap, but again, that's timing.

[sly escarp]

Some folks in the past have reported an odd buffer on the parry frames, it's possible the bug still exists

[atomic perch]

i tap it in a way where i dont even finish the animation and cut it before my arm even finishes rising is that too fast of a tap for it to work?

[cold crag]

same because I assumed it was similar to a qte

And to be fair it does work ~70% of the time

[cloud palm]

I really hope they do, either way I do hope we see weapons with more unique traits that aren't just superficial, but also mechanically.

I don't mind "blank" or "empty" weapons that are re-skins of one another, those are good for entry-level players, but the further you go, the more unique a weapon should be, that way as you progress you see a cooler weapon that does something other weapons don't, as a weapon with more stats isn't that appealable if there's already another weapon with high stats existing

[gusty sky]

I hit it like I'm doing a light attack. so I just smack it quick.

[atomic perch]

yeah cause i parry the same way i do in sekiro for this game i had no clue i had to hold it

[gusty sky]

you don't have to hold it, it just makes it easier if you don't got the timing for a tap down

[distant jungle]

Oh, this is also even more true for longblades, cus if you tap you're def cutting those frames short with that skill node.

[sly escarp]

Them adding functional damage types would be a good change down the line, but...pre-alpha. Likely other systems need to be tackled first before adding a new one like that.

[distant jungle]

Cus that gives a decent bit of more parry frames.

Which you won't reach if you instantly release block.

[atomic perch]

yeah to avoid a warframe where like 94 percent of the weapons arnt good

[sly escarp]

Steve has already said he wants the game to have lots of weapons, and the progression systems are built around there being lots as well. Personally wouldn't get hopes too high on there not being fodder.

[atomic perch]

i think adding even minor special abilities to them could do a lot cause the big problem with warframe is so many weapons do the same thing just some have higher stats unique effects even little could be nice

[sly escarp]

And we are seeing some of those things getting added slowly, but there's still padding in between.

[cold crag]

It'd be nice if they were modular like kitguns

[sly escarp]

Combat arts rework sounds like it might make the upgrade trees more modular

[cold crag]

Upgrade trees do feel pretty pointless rn

Except for the Mora tree

[sly escarp]

Tbh they felt better in p9 when there wasn't enough of any weapon type to max a tree

Felt like you were being challenged on managing your points more.

[cloud palm]

They can end up breaking the existence damage system if they do, you are right

[cold crag]

They already have damage types, no?

I assume they'll do a wf thing like IPS + some elemental

[sly escarp]

Definitely maybe make a feedback post on the damage types thingz it sounds like a solid idea. Just, might need some patience if they do decide to follow through is all.

[sly escarp]

Technically but they don't actually do anything.

[cold crag]

Some damage types deal more damage to some enemies. e.g. swords deal more to the turtle things than bows.

[sly escarp]

No weaknesses or resistances from enemies seemingly, and the only status you can proc is Flame (and sometimes Arcanic but that's a bug and not intended)

[distant jungle]

Yeah damage types are a thing, it's just basic right now. Voltaic notably deals fk all to stag sometimes.

[sly escarp]

Oh, did they finally get enemy resistances in?

[distant jungle]

Enemy elements vs you are simplified into magic vs physical.

[sly escarp]

Thank the gods

[gusty sky]

pact trees I think felt the best with the old system. I think leaning into investing into the abilities themselves (and, if we have a tree styled like what we have now, maybe going down different paths like duelo having like, for example, grapeshot or the piercing projectile as two trees you can pick from for the flintlock)

[cloud palm]

Also "water" being an element damage type can help the damage system differentiate it from Warframe's elements

[distant jungle]

Your damage types, at least some of them, do do something, and have for several preludes I think.

P11 or 12, honestly I think it came with the armor change.

I just forget when precisely that was.

[sly escarp]

Blunt damage out here still being useless.

[distant jungle]

But yeah, it's basic and definitely less than what it'll eventually be, but the beginnings are there.

[sly escarp]

P11

P12.was Founders

[cloud palm]

Maybe they can have three damage types to keep the theme of 3 when it comes to elemental damage types atleast

[distant jungle]

Honestly idk if blunt may actually do something more to some enemies given that we have one source of it and I never use said source lmao.

[cloud palm]

Like we have Arcanic, Voltaic and Fire/Flame?

[sly escarp]

We already have 5

[distant jungle]

It would need actual testing.

[cloud palm]

What are the other 2?

[sly escarp]

Sharp, Blunt, Flame, Voltaic, Arcanic

Not including the fact Reaper apparently does radiation

Again seems like that might be a bug

[cold crag]

I pray they perfect the IPS from warframe

[distant jungle]

Wtf does that do lmao.

[regal crane]

Lets say unhypothetically you die, and instead of respawning you just get to stare at your dead body?

[cloud palm]

Oh, to me Sharp and Blunt are more physical rather than elemental

[sly escarp]

It's legit just WF radiation status and damage

[cloud palm]

Do they have effects though?

[gusty sky]

ahhh the days of [PH]flame when the ignus wroth buff was active

[cloud palm]

Sharp and Blund I mean

[cold crag]

impact removing armor, slash ignoring armor armor, puncture hoping being more useful than lowering damage output

[distant jungle]

I mean, all 5 are legit just damage types right now.

Though sources of fire damage usually also ignite people as a separate thing.

[sly escarp]

Not when you use on enemies, no, but neither does Arcanic or Voltaic

Outside of Arcanic bugging out and proccing Void status

[cloud palm]

Yeah, I feel like they could get a tune up

[shrewd depot]

Is MK or Arbearer armor set better for stats?

[distant jungle]

Pure Courage? The same. Slight mix but courage focus? Mendi and Pensive pull ahead.

I have a 33/15/15 spread, favoring Courage, Mendi and Pensive are tied for me, Arbearer a few points behind.

Courage really doesn't have great armor right now, sadly.

Hope that gets fixed.

[sly escarp]

Poor Spirit though

[distant jungle]

Why? Pensive is spirit leaning, spirit can easily hit like 160 total armor with it.

Courage is stuck at about 120.

Both before totems.

[shrewd depot]

Even as pure?

[cloud palm]

Blunt weapons should have passive armor "sundering" when striking an enemy

Sharp weapons should inflict bleedouts that bypass armor

Maybe add a third called "Piercing" for bows and "poke" weapons like rapiers and polearms, where instead it gives the strikes of a weapon armor bypass

It's a cheaper version of WF's IPS but distinct enough to Warframe's IPS, and ties more into the thematic relevance of the number 3 and also how IRL blunt, piercing and sharp weapons worked

[distant jungle]

Especially as pure, cus Pensive is spirit-leaning.

Purer you go, better it gets.

[sly escarp]

Outside of Pensieve, which really is an all elements masquerading as Spirit with that miniscule requirement, Spirit's options are pretty awful

[distant jungle]

I'm more focused on the fact that Grace and Spirit, as is, have best sets that are like 40 points ahead of Courage.

That's my gripe, especially since Courage's advantage is supposed to be more tank.

[sly escarp]

The bleed effect you're talking about is a Pact Passive

[distant jungle]

And if that HP is balanced by having less armor, then Courage's innate advantage is pointless.

[sly escarp]

TBH, might be best to let the physical damage just have resistance differences, no statuses

[cloud palm]

They can make it distinct enough to Duelo's, or have Duelo's just stack with it

[sly escarp]

Courage is meant to have the most health and best armour

[cold crag]

That'd be a nightmare and make some useless though

[sly escarp]

At the costs of slow cooldowns and pretty trash damage bonuses

[distant jungle]

Currently it has the weakest armor by a good margin lol.

That was what I was griping about.

[sly escarp]

#nerf pensieve armour and orengall armour

By like 10-15%

[cloud palm]

I do really think they should tied the realistic nature of Blunt weapons and Sharp weapons, and possibly piercing weapons, Blunt weapons being good for armored targets, Sharp weapons for softer targets and Piercing being the in-between for those

[distant jungle]

Both would still be better than the best Courage armor. If you want it to be about equal, it'd need to be at least 25%-ish.

And I'm not sure how happy people would be about that.

[sly escarp]

Agreed, letting them be based as resistances without a status would be nice.

Also makes the runes feel more impressive

Not only do you get a damage boost you get a epic status that can proc

[cloud palm]

Yeah, which also adds to the "helping weapons be more distinct"

[sly escarp]

Nerf the orengall and pensieve 10-25%, buff the Courage armours 25%?

[cloud palm]

Since player's would want to experiment with having a weapon that is blunt paired with one that is sharp or piercing and vice versa

[cold crag]

I just want an arming sword+parrying dagger :[ that's my dream set

[distant jungle]

I kind of feel that's the way they're currently going with just all 5 damage types. To incentivize us to diversify our two weapons between different types so that we're not walled, and to occasionally even swap weapons when preparing for something, force us to not be stale.

A system of soft counters that forces us to prepare or adapt and all that.

[atomic perch]

how do i get into this?

[atomic perch]

id personally love one of these parrying dagger with rapier

[cold crag]

Eyyy you exactly what I as looking for!

I practiced HEMA for a while (not long enough to become good) and that was my fav weapon set to work with.

[atomic perch]

i just love the rapier its a fun and cool looking weapon also i love that the devs actuall used a war rapier

[distant jungle]

I'm still salty about them calling the second rapier a cutlass.

An insult to pirates everywhere.

Lel.

[cold crag]

[distant jungle]

Then again, they call Gath a glaive and Rook a club and a spear. None of those are true. Nothing new.

[cold crag]

It'd be real neat if they had a historian on staff

[atomic perch]

most rapier you see in media are dueling rapier but they used a actual rapier for battle. Cause you can see the blade is actually practical and wouldnt bend as much compared to when later raper were made too long as they werent really intended to kill more for duel to first blood where a single nick was a win

[cold crag]

That focused on historic brittanic weapons

[distant jungle]

Despite the setting and vaguely fair amount of realism, I don't think they care that much.

[cold crag]

Yeah I played new world and their rapier had me pissed lol

[distant jungle]

There'll always be some funny bits here and there.

[cold crag]

I suspect they hadn't even considered it, I think they probably would care if they felt it would be beneficial and the fanbase would appreciate it.

[distant jungle]

I also don't think much of the fanbase cares. People see funny fantasy game and will immediately assert that any and all realism does not matter cus that dude over there can throw a fireball.

A flawed yet saddeningly common take.

[cold crag]

Realism applies within the given setting though, something can be realistic for the setting and unrealistic for our world.

[distant jungle]

That precisely, yet good luck telling that to anyone lmao.

[atomic perch]

i love war rapiers they were made more broad so they worked like long swords but being more long and fashionable

[cold crag]

I have one for home defense like the founders intended.

(I'm joking, I use a gladius for that)

[atomic perch]

i hate this cause sure theres magic but a weapon is a weapon just cause theres magic doesnt mean you hold a gun backwards like weapons that are non magical still need to be practical

[gusty sky]

Gath is closer to a real glaive than the warframe glaive-

However for the cutlass comment, the Espa does reflect close to particular hanger cutlasses

[modest crater]

Instincts? Interesting never seen that mechanic from the old stuff

Photos ect

[gusty sky]

it's the same thing as the current point tree.

where you put points in and it increases your virtue

[atomic perch]

the gath feels closer to a halberd to me

[gusty sky]

Which is closer to a real glaive than warframe's glaive by being a polearm at the very least

[atomic perch]

when i think of warframe glaive i think of the orothos i forget the glaive is a throwable weapon

[upbeat cradle]

reminds me of a dude in tiktok that tries to explain how realistically fantasy creatures would work, and ppl on the comments say "u just love to make it boring" or sum

[atomic perch]

or the amanata

[atomic perch]

when like just cause something is magical doesnt mean it gets to be unlogical unless otherwise stated cause benefit of the doubt cause magic is just bad writing

[modest crater]

Orthos is a polearm, it's throwable?

Would be anyway in sf you mean?

The vasp' stick- to the face-ing is fun

[modest crater]

Pretty.. what about zaws

Soulframe modular weapons 😮 !! we must beg de somehow

[atomic perch]

i was saying the orthos is what i think of when i think of a glaive and then as a separate sentence that i forget the weapon called the glaive is legit just a throwable weapon

i just forgot puntuation mb

[cloud palm]

Would be cool if we ever get a proper cutlass rapier

[modest crater]

Oh I see.. only glaive I know is the coda pathocyst , so lol

[gusty sky]

Yeah but warframe never refers to it as a glaive, (or any polearm as a glaive) the only thing in warframe that gets called a glaive is the.. glaive, and the mods for all the throwing weapons. So the boomerang and jet mace are also 'glaives' in warframe's eyes.

[atomic perch]

what is a cutlass rapier? i looked up images but only got either a rapier or cutlas not something that looked like a mix

[atomic perch]

i feel you may be taking it too literally. Like maybe they just liked the name

[cloud palm]

Actually, here's a cool idea: A magick staff that is powered by the sludge corruption, it throws arcanic concentrations of liquid sludge.

It's stacks splash sludge on near enemies and the ground, leaving a wasteful area that makes them 10% vulnerable to damage and 10% slowed

[modest crater]

I think they drew some.. instead we got the one where our hand is behind and hidden in the cup for now

[cloud palm]

I mean rapier as in Soulframe's classification of rapiers

[atomic perch]

like a cutlass that has the moveset of the rapier in soulframe?

[modest crater]

It is an original rapier style?

[gusty sky]

I mean, I said the thing being labeled as a glaive being a polearm is alot closer than prior.

[cloud palm]

Yup

[atomic perch]

that wouldnt really make sense most cutlass are curved aka for slashing the rapier style is stabbing

[cloud palm]

I mean, Navalha and Espadarte both have slashing attacks

[modest crater]

Maestro carmo's curved blade invention speil comes to mind ..

[cloud palm]

And Espadarte is called "a curved cutlass" in the in-game description

So that never stopped DE tbh

[modest crater]

Espadarte?

Havent seen this

[cloud palm]

Espadarte, the new rapier that came out with P14

[modest crater]

Ah. Think I only got one lyke-wake fragment of all the new stuff in days of playing after p14 lmao.. good to know

[gusty sky]

the rapier moveset we have is already a slashing weapon for the most part, the light combo is 3 slashes and one stab, the heavies are stabs though mainly (besides jump and running heavy)

[atomic perch]

i use the navalha and its 1 slash 2 stabs one slash

[gusty sky]

Where are you getting two stabs? it's down slash, stab, swing from right to left, swing from left to right.

[atomic perch]

havent you already given out a few how many do you have lol?