gameplay-discussion

[tropic charm]

journal

[dim prism]

here all i see

[tropic charm]

only shows u what you've completed i believe

[dim prism]

ye i done it

[zenith knoll]

spawns at night (iridis) at set locations

[unborn rover]

hi guys, i unlocked all the world trees except island one, i have 1 piece of duhk halic but need total 2. am i bugged ?

[livid vortex]

has anyone else noticed this?

[tidal vigil]

I'm trying to complete Bastions of Rebellion - I've already been in Alca and Kith prior to update so I put on the Rose Bodkin and went into the Rose Enclave but it isn't marking it as complete? If anyone else has this happen or knows what I need to do let me know, please.

[opal fable]

i don't know the solution, but have you tried joining them?

since there is no cooldown to swapping between factions anymore right

[tidal vigil]

I did and relogged thinking maybe it bugged but it's still marked as incomplete. I switched from Alca

[unborn rover]

look your journal and click to locations/silent rose enclave. it worked for me

[tidal vigil]

That did work, thank you so much!

[gleaming vortex]

I finished new fable, put on ribbon at shipwreck but nothing here?
does it have CD or like only one time per day?

[tropic charm]

pact passives work in the mestra fight? i didnt notice it before but i did one with duelo and i could trigger the dodge passive

[tropic charm]

u need to visit another shipwreck

for me south ones always have a sword

[gleaming vortex]

ty I will go check the ones not used in fable.

[iron falcon]

how many plants do I need to gather to continue Orlick tasks? I picked a few of the ones he asks for but they don't get marked as complete

[left moon]

If you track the quest, it should tell you. If it's Dewspore and Soulsbane, I believe it is 4 and 6

[vast pine]

so what do the actual colors of joineries do now? like is there any difference between putting a sapphene verite or sapphene quicksilver on my bow?

[pearl pollen]

Nothing for now

[plucky gull]

if you perfect dodge with the new class it leaves a clone but when it does that my character cant attack do other people have this problem aswell or is just my controller?

[smoky crater]

Bug related to perfect dodges or sumtin in general afaik

[pearl pollen]

Indeed

[plucky gull]

aaah ty ty

[whole cedar]

How do i get seathorn parts

[calm crown]

How are people feeling about the new pact?

[exotic ice]

i really like it but it can be a little finicky with the dodges. and my clone becomes target-lockable when i'm not the host and it makes the auto-lock on a bad time

[hot oriole]

what should duelo be built around

[calm crown]

What am I missing about the abilities? The spirit one makes no sense to me. The courage (flintlock) is just gimmicky. But the grace one seems like it might add a lot of damage once it's fully upgraded (I'm only like level 16, I think)

[dusty hare]

the spirit one is a team buff

everyone in the squads highest virtue stat is increased further

[calm crown]

yeah. but does boosting a virtue really make a big difference in combat?

[dusty hare]

a small one i imagine

[calm crown]

just feels kinda meh

[dusty hare]

virtues effect pact abilities

i like it personally, and don't like the flintlock

[calm crown]

the flintlock feels too awkward and messes with combat flow

not really a fan

[full hearth]

Since they introduced bleed with the pact, i think they should let Flintlock apply bleed on hit

[calm crown]

this is the first pact I've thought I could probably be fine selling after it's leveled.

[dusty hare]

yeah i think the flintlock just does not do enough

[halcyon thicket]

it has great damage

[dusty hare]

i want it to do something besides damage

[full hearth]

Flintlock is mainly for aura farming and scaring your opponent by summoning a gun to a blade fight

I think they should let it apply Bleed atleast

[nimble quartz]

I was supposed to use a torch on the big lantern there, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the torch lit? d

Bug perhaps?

[pearl pollen]

Bugged

I had it happen aswel

relog and redo the siege

[nimble quartz]

ouf

[halcyon thicket]

How many bosses did u fight

[nimble quartz]

uhm, 3 I think?

[halcyon thicket]

U need to fight 2 seperately then 3 at once

[nimble quartz]

I didn't notice if there where 3 at once

[halcyon thicket]

First boss drops a key, second boss drops a key, then 3 boss fight

Yeah that's why the thing didn't light up

[full hearth]

First two should drop a key each and retreat before dying

[nimble quartz]

Did I kill him to fast? stunlocked em to death

[full hearth]

Teaming up with the third for final showdown

The first two are not supposed to die before the final encounter

[nimble quartz]

I only had 1 boss at the top where the lantern and torch is

[full hearth]

[nimble quartz]

I did notice a lack of enemies, so I'm gonna take a run through and see if I can spot more

[wet tulip]

second ability is meh

[nimble quartz]

I went around the whole place, some enemies respawned (no bosses) went back up to the top, found these 2 just sitting here stunned.

[halcyon thicket]

Good, now u can finish it

[regal shadow]

is there a cooldown on duelos?

[carmine cypress]

Is Mestro Carmo drop only armor set fragments?

[halcyon thicket]

30 mins it seems

[wet tulip]

imo 30 ish mins each ship wreck

[halcyon thicket]

The fable drops the pact and navalha

[calm crown]

Is there any way to know which shipwreck sites will have the sword without running laps around the island?

[halcyon thicket]

Then the armor set, once u finish

[halcyon thicket]

Nope

[carmine cypress]

Yes, I am finished the quest. Forget to say...

[halcyon thicket]

Then just the armor set

U already got navalha right

[calm crown]

Are they gonna Nerf this armor set?

[halcyon thicket]

Who knows

Maybe it's the classic release new thing very strong so everyone uses it then nerf it

[carmine cypress]

Yes, I finished quests and got Pakt and rapier

[calm crown]

I mean it's ridiculously strong for any kind of hybrid build

Which is most of them

[wet tulip]

knowing DE most likely xD

[lethal tundra]

Is anyone one else missing the option to show damage numbers in their settings?

[halcyon thicket]

Search up damage

[kindred star]

Does ranking all pacts to level 30 do anything in prelude 14?

[wet tulip]

you get mastery lvl exp like in every preludes version

nothing else xD

[wind ether]

i fought the ancient one time after the mission was done in hopes of getting the armour frag , but i did not get anything after defeating her , anyone any advice

[kindred star]

It does increase the points to you virtues?

[wet tulip]

every mastery lvl. not the pact lvl itself ( you do have pact virtue passive perks though)

[halcyon thicket]

Find another sword to interact with

[zenith knoll]

um

are respawns just straight up bugged

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[zenith knoll]

okay good that's not just me

[vast pine]

is there an entrance to the new dungeon at the fallen skytower location? or just stroaic and new viscii?

[dense raven]

I have the triune talisman but mine doesn’t glow like other players do.

[zenith knoll]

stay immobile for a few secs

wait no that's the paragon talisman nvm

[visual radish]

Triune doesnt glow

[halcyon thicket]

The triune doesn't glow

That's the paragon periapt

[kindred star]

So, there’s no reason to fully max out a pact except for mastery level?

[halcyon thicket]

From the 100 bucks founders pack

[halcyon thicket]

Damage bonus and pact upgrade points

[wet tulip]

other then if you want to use it

[still wave]

? As someone that’s just starting out should I concentrate on the MSQ or do a mix of that and side stuff?

[half talon]

Mix is good. There’s not really a wrong way to play unless you’re cheating/exploiting.

[still wave]

I’m the explorer type and the world seems to be good for that, even if I get ganked by some high level mob lol

[visual radish]

Would recommend exploring as much as you can between quests, stats come account level and currently a good chunk of account level comes from exploring

[still wave]

I am having trouble though with factions, I’m in the spirit one but no matter how many of the animals I have saved or find the world tress I have not gotten any faction points for it

[full hearth]

You don't advance them that way

You need to take the task from the world tree first

Upon completion of the task you're given points towards the faction

[still wave]

O

[full hearth]

This here opens the list at each World Tree

[still wave]

Ok thanks for that

[pure shoal]

how do you get runes?

[knotty moon]

Sieges and Bosses.
In Cogah bosses have different runes.

[pure shoal]

alrighty, ty ty

wheres cogah

[knotty moon]

Get Verminia to bond lvl 2 and she will give you the recipe (craft stuff from her).

[pure shoal]

ohhh ok, and how might i do that?

[dense burrow]

Question: I see no ghosts in that miniquest in the Northeast, what should I do? Tried at night too, there are just no ghosts there

[knotty moon]

As I said, you need to craft stuff, note that only unique crafts count, crafting the same thing over and over will not (same for Tuvalkane).

[knotty moon]

For me they spawned at night, might want to try to relog.

[pure shoal]

ohhh ok ty ty, so i need to unlock crafting recipes im guessing?

[knotty moon]

Yes, you can find them at the Factions, colors and potions.

[proven plaza]

What is the difference between learning Sirin and Wild Sirin?

[calm crown]

This build cooks.

[visual radish]

Appearance

[proven plaza]

Thanks.

[visual radish]

Also both contribute to the same skilltree

[calm crown]

learning them both gets you extra skill tree points

[knotty moon]

Purely visual, but if you level both you get double the Arts points.

[calm crown]

definitely worth leveling them both to 30

[knotty moon]

Also mastery, since they are considered different Pacts.

[sudden void]

I don't think this is a duelo anymore

[zenith knoll]

since when are there baby ducks in the game???

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5VKbvrjxpVJCM

[carmine cypress]

How fast you got all the stuff fragments ?

[calm crown]

Got helmet pretty quick. Got frustrated and just purchased the chest and legs.

[carmine cypress]

And weapon?

[calm crown]

I got pretty lucky on the sieges while siege sharing with lfg in chat.

I crafted the helmet and then got 3 more fragments for the helmet. 🙁

[lethal tundra]

@still wave

Go to Avakot.org, find the runes for the weapons that you like and work on getting those.

Your life will be so muhc easier and you'll level up during all that running around.

[calm crown]

one more fragment needed for Cenotaph

[proven plaza]

3 is the max party size, correct? So no matter how much i want to buy another code for my 4th friend, he's out? 😛

[knotty moon]

Atm yes.

[carmine cypress]

I have Cenotaph and 8 fragments... But 0 fragments for the new shield/sword ;)))

[calm crown]

Yep, none for shield/sword here either

[wet tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495060913575952416 believe xD

its possible

[dusky socket]

Well this is fun XD

[hot oriole]

Does going above 5 attunement pips on a weapon affect anything or is 5 the limit?

[wet tulip]

every pip on your weapon lowers the virtue number you need to reach the weapon dmg cap

[tough acorn]

I WASN’T IMAGINING IT. I thought I saw some when I freed a cage but I had a headache and they ran past so quick it didn’t fully register

[visual radish]

Yup basically lets you do more with less

[wet tulip]

ah the yee ol potion + world flute bonus xD

[dusky socket]

Trying to find two others to max it out XD

[wet tulip]

most likely will reach 30 on all

[hot oriole]

So all it does is lower the requirement but not boost damage?
Meaning if I go full courage on a courage weapon, the pips won't affect anything assuming i cross the limit?

[calm crown]

how the heck?! I thought I was doing good at 18 17 17

[dusky socket]

Use all 3 of the elixirs

[wet tulip]

every weapon got its dmg cap. so no matter how much virtue points you got the dmg wont go higher

[calm crown]

oh. I never do consumables in games.

[wet tulip]

yeah this is with all 3 virtue potions

r33se just activated the world flute bonus too

[calm crown]

Is it possible for the New Viscii dungeon to not have the Wyrm fight? is there a new cool down?

[hot oriole]

Alright but my original question was if going above 5 changes anything, for example if a weapon has 3 courage pips, does applying a 3x blessing make a difference compared to a 2x blessing since they're both at least 5 courage pips giving it the glow icon

Hope you understand

[dusky socket]

We went up again boys

[wet tulip]

what it changes is for example" if you would need 30 virtue points to reach a weapon cap. with a extra pip you need less"

allowing you to be more flexible for hybrid builds

[visual radish]

Gotta save them in case you really need them

[hot oriole]

That's not what I'm asking, do you know now when you have at least 5 pips for 1 attunement it shows a glowed icon instead of the normal pip count?

[wet tulip]

glowing pip is simply 5 pips

[dusky socket]

It's 5+

Could be more

[hot oriole]

Yes, so does going above 5 still make changes to the weapon or no

[wet tulip]

yes it should

[hot oriole]

alright

[still wave]

Is there other ways to get the lightning and fire pacts other then factions or building them? Like can you get them as drops or no

[visual radish]

Higher scaling is higher scaling

But the damage cap still applies

[hot oriole]

How do I know if i've reached damage cap

[visual radish]

Dont think they have an icon for it so currently just math

[wet tulip]

you can calculate it to know a weapons dmg cap

[hot oriole]

How would I calculate this for example

[gleaming vortex]

my 7 red pip Marrow's Bane still need 33 courage to Attune Cap which is exactly 5 pip, i assume it only count to 5.

[hot oriole]

So my weapon can gain 283 bonus damage right

1.5 x 189

[wet tulip]

no first do 189-135 to reach the base dmg

[hot oriole]

Ohh alright

I see, thanks for your help

[dusky socket]

It's 2.5 x (189-135)

Because 2/3 star weapons can gain 1.5 x bonus

[frigid agate]

May i know the reason why you would attune Marrow’s Bane to Saphene?

[hot oriole]

The update changed it to saphene

I used a normal polished one before the update

[wet tulip]

yea the update did some stuff

[frigid agate]

Wait what?

[halcyon thicket]

lol

bugframe at it's finest

[dawn hearth]

Where do you get the Wazzard Trunks fragments?

[wet tulip]

mine was changed to twice blessed when i had the best type of joinery on it

[dusky socket]

Awkwardly, at Organs

[wet tulip]

even though it should have been thrice xD

[visual radish]

Each organ drops a specific part of the armor

[frigid agate]

Great so i can expect mine to look exactly like yours lol

[dawn hearth]

huh interesting

[hot oriole]

I have 4 pips and we have the same requirement

seems there's a cap to how much it affects the requirement

[wet tulip]

the requirment doesnt change

what should change is the points you need to reach the top dmg on the weapon

[hot oriole]

Oh I see

Is there anyway to figure out that value

[wet tulip]

since just having 21 courage wont give you the top dmg of the weapon

[visual radish]

I'd have to check but i think they were organized as if the equipment screen (helmet up top then chest then pants)

[grave wolf]

Just where are the duelo locations? ive checked every shipwreck after the quest and i cant start any for the armor set

[zenith knoll]

the faceless duelo clones

[visual radish]

Think you still need the ribbon to enable them

[wet tulip]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtues#Weapon_Attunement if you really want to calculate the numbers just check the page @hot oriole

[hot oriole]

Alright thanks a bunch

[wet tulip]

what i usually do though is go full virtue type to see the dmg cap. and then go down by a bit to see when it starts to drop xD

[dusky socket]

Anybody else notice that damage calculations is off by 5? Patch note said they baked an additional +25 at lvl 30, on top of the +24 from pre P14. But now you do the calculation and it's always missing 5?

[wet tulip]

and then i know how much virtue points i can use somewhere else

[grave wolf]

I have it equipped but nothing, no ribbon, no interactible, i checked every single location

And i did the quest yesterday so i know it isnt the cd

[dusty hare]

do we know how bleed works yet?

[visual radish]

Not additional no it is the same 25 bonus joineries had previously

Just put into the levelling proccess along the pips

[wet tulip]

essentially you keep the bonus dmg from joineries but lost all the extra buffs

[dusky socket]

Yes, additional baked in dmg, as I said lol

[dusty hare]

rip spirit

[wet tulip]

in other words joineries got nerfed xD

[visual radish]

It isnt additional to pre p14
It is the same pre p14 25 damage

[dusty hare]

including magick weapons?

[wet tulip]

my odiac didnt lose the extra dmg though . ( even though i dont see the extra pips) xD

[dusky socket]

Breh, before we only had 24 baked in, now we have 49 baked in, that's an additional 25 baked in damage, to make up for joineries. I understand that, that's not what I'm talking about

[smoky crater]

additional 25 being from the joinery

[wet tulip]

i too trying to understand what r33se talking about xD

[dusky socket]

Alright, look:

189-135=54
54x2.5=135
135+24+25=184

Missing 5

Sorry, GAINED 5

The calculation is not matching the number shown

[visual radish]

Isnt it 1.5x tho?

[dusky socket]

It's 1.5x, yes, but that means 2.5x if you're using the calculation.

It's skipping a step in math

[wet tulip]

wait i got confused xd

[dusty hare]

the math aint mathin?

[dusky socket]

The math ain't mathin friend

[wet tulip]

too tired for that shet

AH i see what you did

and what +5 dmg you mean xd

could be it aint 24 extra but it became 29 extra

[dusky socket]

Calculation says max dmg is 184, but the actual dmg on tooltip is 189

Could be

[wet tulip]

like always we dont see the full picture in soulframe xD

[snow lance]

is there a way to put the envoy's face back to how it was before the envoy revamp? i actually quite liked it T-T

[dusky socket]

I was putting together a build calculator but, it won't work if the numbers are off XD

[wet tulip]

nope xD

[snow lance]

Pain. Helmet it is...

[wet tulip]

welcome to the drifter update for soulframe . where you cant have a nice looking adult xD

[snow lance]

honestly i went from male drifter to a female one... the male options are so effeminate

[knotty moon]

Gotta love the fact that Carmo reacts to you bowing during the Duelo.

[dusky socket]

She also likes to stab you mid animation sometimes, so rude

[knotty moon]

Well, she never claimed to be honorable.

[dusty hare]

male options are not feminine enough for me

[wet tulip]

why i never deep bow . all she gets is the simple bow xD

especially since in the her story herself she claims she attacked the bowing mestra in her duel xD

[dusky socket]

She's being condescending, thinks she's better than us

[dusty hare]

based

[knotty moon]

I mean, she specifically tells you to bow deeper when you do, most likely to stab you better.
Unfortunately for her you can parry cancel the animation. 😛

[dusty hare]

i always bow

[proper crystal]

what even is this

[quick quartz]

saste

[wet tulip]

future nerfed armor is what it is

[quick quartz]

holy shit?

[calm crown]

was gonna say: new meta until it's nerfed

[dusky socket]

It's glorious, you can just stand there and do nothing and never die

[dusky socket]

Vadagar Bear tryna leap you? Too bad, so sad buddy

[dusty hare]

i do not have those stats on mine wth

[dusky socket]

I popped all 3 elixirs lol

[dusty hare]

ah

[dense burrow]

My thrice blessed Seathorn doesn't show the "golden" icon, is that just a visual bug on some weapons?

[floral coral]

Is there any way to get the soundtrack for The King of Mora?

[wet tulip]

like in P13 the joinery changes got bugged

give it time

[dense burrow]

yeah but I mean, is it visual or affect stats actually?

[visual radish]

Try to restart the game i guess

[wet tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ only DE knows

[wet tulip]

wont change my odiac is the same

[visual radish]

Weird

[dense burrow]

yep, Odiac too

[knotty moon]

This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRxacTlx6CM

[floral coral]

YEAAAAAAAAA

thanks

this top 10 best soundtracks in my life

[warped timber]

Does anyone know if you can collect more than 1 mote at the rovgot ruins?

[knotty moon]

There are motes?
Inside the dungeon?

[normal sail]

DE, you gotta find a better naming system for the joineries, the text over flowing off the gui is bothering

[warped timber]

yes, I found one on my first run on friday

[gleaming vortex]

anyone has a 7 courage pip Marrow's Bane for testing? how many courage for you to attune cap?

[warped timber]

but none after 50 more runs or so lol

[wet tulip]

mine was nerfed xD

[dusky socket]

If it's courage only, you'd need 38.6 courage

[wet tulip]

i had courage blessed on my and it got swapped to twice blessed only xD

[gleaming vortex]

7 pip is 3.5, cap is 54*1.5=81 81/3.5=23.14 , is my math right

[dusky socket]

Hang on, my brain is not braining haha, still stuck on something from earlier

Yeah, you're right

I accidentally added in the base dmg to the attuned dmg in my calculation

[gleaming vortex]

need someone test it too, my 7 pip Marrow's Bane need 33 to cap weird

[dusky socket]

Yeah I've noticed some discrepancy between P13 dmg calculations and P14 actual dmg, so I'm assuming there's some UI inconsistencies

[gleaming vortex]

or i should reforge again althought it says triple mora

[calm crown]

I'll look at mine in a few minutes

[dense burrow]

How do you get to that (+25) tho?

[dusky socket]

We might just need to wait for a patch. I was doing what you're doing, and trying to make a build calculator lol, but math ain't mathin

[halcyon thicket]

more points in spirit

[dusky socket]

Drink all 3 elixirs

[dense burrow]

Oh, I see, cause I am like this

I guess I am missing the elixirs

[halcyon thicket]

oh, that's alot of commitment

[fickle wind]

how do i sell my stuff?

like to free up space like for weapons and stuff

[dense burrow]

Yeah, not going to do that since the armor is gonna be nerfed, but I was curious lol

[warped timber]

you can sell built pacts and weapons at avakot or the camel in the nightfold

[dusky socket]

Camel has a sell tab

[wet tulip]

it will most likely still be good . just not the "best in slot for every build" xD

[fickle wind]

its worth selling like my first weapons ryt ??
i have fully ranked them up

[halcyon thicket]

yes

[dusky socket]

Yeah, get rid of that junk haha

[fickle wind]

aight

[calm crown]

@gleaming vortex what info do you want off of Marrow's Bane?

[fickle wind]

btw im still stuck with that Duhk Halic polearm problem , its asking me for 2 fragments to craft it ,
someone know anything abou that or how to fixz i t

[dusky socket]

Wait for patch

[thorn ingot]

Is cenotaph drop rare? I see it's a "rare" and 3 stars but I wonder if i just got lucky in back to back dungeons

[halcyon thicket]

yes

[dusty hare]

where is the new non-pact content?

[gleaming vortex]

How many courage needed for attun cap with 7 courage pip

[wet tulip]

you will get it quite fast. i got mine after 3 hours

[thorn ingot]

yeah im quite surprised because i got all 3 frags in 3 dungeons, that's why i asked

[fickle wind]

is it good enough?

[calm crown]

for me, it looks like at 33 Courage, I max at 189/378 damage

[gleaming vortex]

Same to me, i assume it won't count beyond five courage pip

[dusky socket]

Yeah

[wet tulip]

could be

[dusky socket]

The math says it's only counting 5 courage pips

[calm crown]

at 32 courage, I drop to 188/376

[wet tulip]

so there are 2 possibilities. either DE didnt code the pip count after the shining pip or the cap is 5 pips total

[dusky socket]

^^

[wet tulip]

meaning there is no reason to go above 5 pips

[wet tulip]

which is weird since they claim you can go more then 5 pips xD

guess we will know later if 5 is the cap or a coding bug

[forest tangle]

its not a cap

[dusky socket]

Well, they say "with more", doesn't mean it's calculating more, could just mean it's doing that for UI clarity

[wet tulip]

if 5 pips give the same numbers as 6 and 7 pips. it means 5 pips is the cap xD?

[dusty hare]

it should be every 5 pips

every 5 = 1 gold icon

excess is icons as normal

[forest tangle]

They only show you 6, but you can have more.

[dusty hare]

you still have 6 pips but it only shows the gold pip

[forest tangle]

or more

[wet tulip]

but as people here tested 6+ pips doesnt change the attunement

it stays 33 courage for marrow's bane

[dusty hare]

it does not take less courage to max out a 7 pip marrows bane than a 5 pip?

[dense burrow]

this is the max dmg for Marrow's, right?

[dusky socket]

It does not, they just verified it between two people

[dusty hare]

bruh

[wet tulip]

scroll up theres a whole discussion about marrows bane and its attunment above 5 pips xD

[dusty hare]

i want a refund 😭

[wet tulip]

but hey. 5 pips isnt the cap huh?

[dusty hare]

game bad, time to shit

[dusky socket]

I mean, this is what we signed on for. We're not playing a game, we're testing systems

It just happens to be pretty and sometimes kinda fun XD

[wet tulip]

too bad we dont get joinery refund to actually test xd

[dusky socket]

Sometimes...eh we won't talk about those sometimes

[dusty hare]

so

we dont have lifesteal anymore and less scaling

sadghe

[wet tulip]

i mean

as it looks rn you can use joineries to help go for hybrid builds

[halcyon thicket]

that barely helps

[dusky socket]

Man, I really wish people would stop complaining about every little thing, it's honestly such a bad look, and makes you sound incompetent considering this is a pre-alpha, and you know that

[wet tulip]

so if you want to go courage/grace hybrid you can its much easier

[dusty hare]

i will be as incompotent as i want, you can not stop me

[halcyon thicket]

saying it's a prealpha isn't an excuse, so many of these changes are not good and players feedback shows that

[dusky socket]

Also makes every weapon usable with every build

[gleaming vortex]

Imagine there are hybrid joinery

[halcyon thicket]

no it' doesn't

you still have requirements

[wet tulip]

which is easy to reach

[dusty hare]

real gamers love to complain

[halcyon thicket]

you dont hit the requirement, it doesn't matter how many pips u have of other requirement

[dusty hare]

i have no desire for hybrid

[halcyon thicket]

which is dumb, why have 4 courage pips, when you still need to hit the 2 pip requirement for spirit

[wet tulip]

yea but now you dont have to have 33 courage to reach the cap dmg on marrows bane for example if you got 3 grace pips on it too

[halcyon thicket]

it doesn't lower grace's requirement

only courage

also damage cap, and virtue requirement are two seperate subjects

[wet tulip]

if i make my marrows bane with a thrice grace joinery. i wont need to reach 33 courage to get cap dmg

so ill most likely need to just reach the 21 requirement

[dusky socket]

Oh I agree, I think the virtue requirements are outdated already. If they lowered them to make it easier to build how you want, then what's even the point of having them in the first place, just don't have them

[wet tulip]

and the grace virtue will help reach the dmg cap

[halcyon thicket]

exactly

they keep lowering and lowering

for what

[dusty hare]

but it would be funny if they increased the virtue requirments

[wet tulip]

i think DE keeps it so low lvl wont get the best weapons for the get go

[dusky socket]

Breh, shhhh, they'll hear you XD

[wet tulip]

lol

[dusky socket]

That's what MR rank requirements is for 🙂

[halcyon thicket]

u don't need the virtue requirement for that

[wet tulip]

yeah but no MR requirements in soulframexD

[dusky socket]

But there should be

Not sure why they thought to reinvent the wheel on that one, they already have a system that works really good for that haha

[wet tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ hey its soulframe " where you get a different flavor of progress salt"

[dusty hare]

i want spells in my soulframe

[fickle wind]

anyone free or bored , mind helping me sped run some bounties????

[halcyon thicket]

if they increase the virtue requirement needed to reach the cap, that would be better

remove the /X requirement, make the bonus damage dependant on virtue investment, and entice players to use joineries to lower that requirement

[coral fossil]

Do I need to buy one of the founder packs to play the rest of the game? An do you recommend the founders pack?

[smoky crater]

im both free and bored so no i won't join

[fickle wind]

damn bro

[wet tulip]

the game is fully open if you got a key . founders pack simply gives you extra pacts/weapons for a limited time ( limited time since some time in the future it wont be exclusive)

[smoky crater]

and no that was not reverse psychology or something

[coral fossil]

I’m just buy 1 of the founders then a use extra currency to buy another pack, any recommendations?

[smoky crater]

extra currency to buy another pack?

wdym?

[wet tulip]

i think you mean get the ingame pacts xD?

[smoky crater]

also no i wouldn't suggest using Arcs on anything other than weapon slots and pact slots.

[wet tulip]

easier to just farm them

[coral fossil]

Buying a founder gives 1k in game currency so I can buy another pack

[marble cloud]

Does anyone know why randomly the game will decied that squads need to revive eachother?

[coral fossil]

I’m so lost so idk how to farm packs 😭I did the deer one but it’s not unlocked for me to switch

[wet tulip]

ah you can buy founders packs only with real life currency i think

[smoky crater]

ye

you can't buy founder packs with Arcs

[coral fossil]

Yea that’s what I mean but after you by the founder it also gives 1k in game currency

[buoyant ferry]

white diamond shape means the objective is finished and black diamond shape means the objective is unfinished right?

[wet tulip]

the other way around

black filled diamond is finished

[smoky crater]

and i say save all of it for weapon and pact slots for the time being

[hidden kite]

once you get a pact u have to craft it on blacksmith

[buoyant ferry]

thanks and also how do you learn a rune?

[hidden kite]

then u can equip it

[wet tulip]

i think get a rune to drop from any agari boss

[smoky crater]

or siege

[coral fossil]

I though you just simply unlocked it😔crazyyyy

[hidden kite]

its same as warframe u gotta build ur warframe

[buoyant ferry]

well thats odd, i was doing siege and i got the rune but..

[wet tulip]

and miss the resource grind? hah

[smoky crater]

equip it maybe?

[buoyant ferry]

how?

[wet tulip]

try to equip it yea

put the rune on the weapons it should go on

[smoky crater]

go to your armoury, right click on your weapon

but yeah the runes are weapon type specific

[buoyant ferry]

oh it worked and i didn't know rune was at the middle of enchantment

thought rune slot was somewhere else

[dusty hare]

So soulframe in years will be a brain chip VR game

[wet tulip]

sword art online type of drama huh xD?

[proven plaza]

Alright, I give up. Where is this damn spectre's quill?

[smoky crater]

follow birb

[dusty hare]

You die in the game you die in real life

[opal fable]

does anyone have to picture of the map with all the agari spots

[proper crystal]

did they change enemy detection distance for walking?

[smoky crater]

seems so

which makes sense because before the enemies were just completely deaf

[dawn hearth]

does the Mesta's helm also make the blue ribbons show up? or only the Duelo Ribbon?

[dusty hare]

it seems only the ribbon

[verbal zenith]

Is the Mestra set dropping? I've done a few duelos with no luck

[humble night]

Iv;e only had the chest piece drop so far

[neon spruce]

what exactly are the numbers in the ()? is it extra damage on top of the numbers after it or do the numbers after it add it too?

[verbal nebula]

Yes, dropped the whole Mestra armor set within a few days, 10-20 duels

[verbal nebula]

The (X) is the bonus damage from attunement, the following number is the total damage ; so 110-68=42 is your weapon damage at this level

[neon spruce]

ok thanks

[amber tendon]

best way to farm river pearls is still to look for them in rivers or should I farm tier 2 and 3 faction bounties?

[outer nest]

Did they change the game's movement? I'm finding it heavier and more deliberate.

[spring hamlet]

same feeling but I thought it was just lag from a higher demand on my laptop…

[grave valley]

hey yall. I was wondering what the passive "bleed" actually does on the duelo pact, wiki and in game description are useless

wiki is not useless generally just doesnt have the info yet

no hate bc i adore avakot

[grave valley]

rivers

they changed drop rates again so now theyre common again

or at least they were in p13 idk about now anymore

[coral fossil]

Best weapons to get from the shop?

[grave valley]

none

do not waste your arcs

ever

there is no trading system yet so buying from zenith is completely a scam

what?

[amber tendon]

yes they are common now 🙂

im getting a lot

[dawn hearth]

Did they change the level system? Idk how to level up my green

[iron falcon]

Do you need to use the blue ribbon for anything else once you get the pact?

[dawn hearth]

Getting her armor set

[wet tulip]

EMMMM

guys i just heard a invisible grineer inside a dungeon

[dawn hearth]

Cause I wanna wear the mestra stuff but I don’t have the level

[wet tulip]

i think P14 update is more then fked

[visual radish]

Level hasnt been changed at all

Do you mean how to distribute stat points?

[wet tulip]

if there is invisible grineer ingame xD

[dawn hearth]

Yeah, either I haven’t leveled up once in like 4 days of playing or idk where the button is

[fathom quail]

If you use spirit sight you can see the ghost walking around, it's the dude with the flaming sword

[wet tulip]

did you watch the vid?>

and heard the sounds?

[visual radish]

Levelling account level comes from exploration and levelling gear, tho currently it is mostly exploration

Your stat points are distributed by your equipped prism, also they arent a permanent spend, it's more like a pool of points that your prism just spreads around

[wet tulip]

and you cant "kill" the dude with the flaming sword

[dawn hearth]

So how do I get the green to wear the armor? I’ve grinded like 5 things from 0-30 and haven’t noticed anything

[visual radish]

Like i said most of the account level currently comes from exploration, because items just dont add that much currently

[fathom quail]

Yeah I've also been in that area numerous times and every time it's been a ghost walking around with a flaming sword

[dawn hearth]

So am I just screwed because I’ve discovered the whole map

[visual radish]

Also gotta consider the prism you have equipped

Like a prism that leans on courage or grace would have less spirit (green)

[visual radish]

Not just discovering the map
Discovering the full name of locations

[wet tulip]

fenn jotar doesnt try to attack you. and fenn jotar cant be killed with your attacks either

[dawn hearth]

I only have 2 and the one I’m wearing seems to be better in every way

[wet tulip]

and clearly fenn jotar doesnt talk to you in alien language

[frigid spoke]

Fenn Jotar is an ancestor of yours, you aren't meant to kill him. If you soul pull him, he'll give you his power for a bit

[wet tulip]

watch the vid i linked xd

here ill link again

this is clearly not fenn jotar. and not some new enemy. to me it sounds like a grineer from warframe

[visual berry]

So, just logged in after some time. And have a question:

Is playing a non-caster just overall better?

Logged in to see there was a ship event next to me and went to do it. After managing to get through 5-6 waves of enemies, Nimrod spawned in. But had to leave and just log out due to the infinitely spawning 2 adds who kept me unable to use my healing pool, and I just couldn't make headway with the boss due it to jumping out of crows, him or adds poking me as I cast to null my abilities, etc. Because he self healed.

Frankly, it feels super slow, clunky, and really just not fun (at least from my perspective in coming back after a long while).

So wondering if bows, or melee just works/feels better?

[frigid spoke]

I did n you didn't do anything but swing around. Didn't use soul sight.

[halcyon thicket]

Use cloudquell

[verbal zenith]

huh, interesting! There was art a while ago for the "Gryn," so maybe they snuck in some voice lines?

[wet tulip]

before i hit record i heard " tenno" xD

[iron falcon]

ow, I hate that, I look ridiculous with it.

[wet tulip]

thats the weird part

• anyone knows what weapon this is ?

this dropped from said invisible enemy

[halcyon thicket]

Banneret's weapon

[dawn hearth]

Discovering names is the same right? Just smite the ghost?

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[past drift]

can you do any part of the duelo fable / armour farm in a group or is it all solo only?

[dawn hearth]

You can do it in a group

The mines ghost isn’t glitched or anything yeah? I’ve visited this place like 5 times and can’t ever find the last ghost

[halcyon thicket]

Better do it solo to avoid progression breaking bugs

[dawn hearth]

Yeah I’ve explored every room and can’t find it

I’m also not getting the location name pop ups did they remove those?

[wet tulip]

i forgot. sparrow tales are the random mission upon dungeon entry right?

[dawn hearth]

Yeah I am convinced my game is glitched or they made the ghosts EXTREMELY rare

This is the 4th location with 0 discovered name ghosts where I haven't found a single one despite fully exploring in spirit vision

[smoky crater]

sparrow's tales is the real name of faction tales.

[wet tulip]

which is weird since i completed some and quest didnt get completed xd

why im getting confused

[smoky crater]

[hot anvil]

so uh, how do i learn a rune? i got credit for completed the tormented stag in the past, but i dont have any run unlocked.

[smoky crater]

runes drop from Agari and sieges

"learn a rune" means equipping one on your weapon

[hot anvil]

do those require going to a tree and grabbing a votive?

[visual radish]

The world tree ones

Also seems i need to enter dungeons more i dont think i remember any sort of objective just appearing by itself the few times i entered dungeons without a tale going on already

[hot anvil]

sorry its been so long since i last played 🙁

[wet tulip]

yea i did do some tales from the tree. then seen the scribe quest didnt count it

why i started getting confused

guess ill wait a bit for next hotfix

[red roost]

Is there a need to grind factions?

[visual radish]

Understandable orlick's to do list has a bit of a weird tracking going on

[visual radish]

Prisms and the weapons that drop from their missions?

[desert depot]

so like

small problem

I unstucked and ended up here lol

[smoky crater]

no problem

only unintentional feature findings

anyways relog prob fixees

[red roost]

Thanks

[coral fossil]

Why does your graphics look like a mobile game

[dense raven]

Is there a max reputation exp that you can get daily from tree quests? I don’t seem to be getting anymore today

[cursive star]

yep theres a daily cap

[halcyon thicket]

16k

[desert depot]

nah just jumped off lol

[cinder bison]

Hi guys! How can I fight Mestra again after the quest? I've never saw the ghost ship again even with the helmet equiped

[zenith knoll]

equip the ribbon and search shipwrecks all around midrath

until you find a rapier stuck into the ground

[cinder bison]

tyy!

[pastel verge]

you can also search first without equipping the ribbon. since you lose armor when you do that. so equip it once you find a rapier basically

[cloud palm]

Is waste bear also bugged for everybody in the music area?

Like it skips to the tree segment for no reason

[half talon]

More details… I know the waste bear fight requires music before fighting.

[cloud palm]

The nightfold section, where you plant the seed

After doing the flute music it just cuts to the cinematic of the tree growing in Midrath

But there's no music, and until you speak to Bromius you don't get to talk to him

[half talon]

Hmm yeah def a bug. Please make sure to post in #1438224825113120788 for that (or see if there’s something there regarding it). Fortunately that’s a quest that can be replayed.

[simple juniper]

does anyone have a full cogah map with dungeon agari included?

[dusky pivot]

anyone else had problem with attacking after a dodge?

[smoky crater]

Known thing yeah

[dusky pivot]

also after the new preview dungeon, the tower, my loot popups went haywire, pops up that i got totems and loot when i enter the boss room and no where else after that

and only when i enter even before the boss spawned

[jaunty dirge]

dewspore i cant find it

[ivory meteor]

We got two handed maces yet?

[wicked dagger]

how many animals of a certain type do you need to tame to get their journal entry?

[marble cloud]

How are we meant to get lore on towns and stuff i know in much older preludes we would see motes floating but i havent seen one in like..4 or 5 prelueds

[brazen sparrow]

It's the same system.. but i understand from the bug tracking section that this system might be borked at the moment.

[dense raven]

So for staff there’s archstorm, the hallowing, and a new third rune. Anyone figure out what that third rune is and what drops it?

[spare badge]

I didn't see anything in the patch notes about a third magic weapon rune.

[dense raven]

Same. But when I go to the rune and select compatible and compendium it now shows a third one

[spare badge]

Compendium is known to be buggy and show false doubles.

[low bluff]

can somebody help? I cant turn in and I cant do the quest either (already done it once when I started playing)

[spare badge]

You can have everything in the game and click onthe compendium button and get shadow doubles of stuff.

[dense raven]

Definitely not a double. The icon is one I’ve never seen before

[spare badge]

Show screenshots.

[novel ivy]

Have you done the other 2 steps?

[low bluff]

when I go back to the world it says "Learn a rune" but I already learned a few with random animals and nothing changes. Sparrow also doesnt take me anywhere if I track the quest

look, it makes no sense

[novel ivy]

The animals are totems. Runes you get from the Agari or by doing Sieges. Once you have a rune place it in the center on a matching weapon type

[spare badge]

It's showing you a non-magic weapon rune.

[tidal vigil]

Is there a guide on the locations for animals or is it just random the variants you find as you go?

[low bluff]

ooh ok. I'll look this up thank you

[novel ivy]

Yep no problem

[novel ivy]

It's rng on animals

[tidal vigil]

I was afraid of that lol, thank you!

[twin skiff]

should i master three of every totem or should i go outside

[spare badge]

@dense raven Ok. So yeah. It's just showing you the sheild's fire rune as a fake shadow. Go ahead and bug report it. Make sure to use f6 for screenshots for bug reporting.

[tidal vigil]

One more dumb question; is it a bug that the animals are sometimes auto charming? Or is it when you finish their journal entry there's a chance it will?

[sinful scarab]

its a passive skill from Orlick quests

[tidal vigil]

Ooh okay, thank you!

[novel ivy]

Yeah like 2nd or 3rd Orlick quest gives you the auto charm passive

[worn carbon]

Is there a photo mode in the game yet?

[spare badge]

No.

[worn carbon]

One day

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[past drift]

Did they change dungeons? Just ran undercity and it was really short, like only two tiles.
Ended in a named miniboss - but it wasn't the agari I was looking for. Looked like a new extraction room I've never seen before either with a huge metal gate

[wide badger]

Oh I got that boss too, never seen him before. But I got him at the end of one of the longest undercity dungeons I've ran lol.

[sinful scarab]

yes the last room and boss are new, but the dungeon size isn’t, undercity and glades dungeons have 3 sizes you randomly get one of them, small, medium, large

[royal fable]

For the life of me, I cannot find the 4th history mote in Salzbrim

[sinful scarab]

motes are bugged, they don’t spawn

[royal fable]

No workaround?

[sinful scarab]

not that i know of, the good news is its Monday and the devs are coming in with hotfixes
-# hopefully

[royal fable]

Spent too long just running around

[half talon]

Should be. They are likely already pulling some of the higher priority items. Motes are kind of a big deal to miss out on.

[sullen fox]

That explains why I havent found any

[past drift]

*Sunday ||in Canada where DE is||

[spare badge]

It's 9:43 pm on Sunday for DE.

[sinful scarab]

alright alright

[tardy crater]

Can anyone explain to me what siege ratings are even based on? I've never gotten anything other than a C, no matter how fast I cleared, how often I died or didn't die or anything else, but other people seem to be getting S ranks consistently with no issue

[spare badge]

Try checking the wiki?

[frozen edge]

Supposedly, number of enemies left alive and number of deaths lower the rating. I don't think time matters. Kill everything and dont die and you shouldn't ever get anything but S

[high nest]

you need to kill every mob too

[frozen edge]

I'm never quite sure what the radius of the enemies are, so I always clear the surroundings too before going into the fort

[high nest]

adding the ability to highlight unaware enemies is huge for clearing forts

[sinful scarab]

you don’t need to kill enemies outside of forts

[frozen edge]

Drop rate of Lyke-Wake is probably bugged, aye?

[sinful scarab]

yep

[high nest]

am I the only one who can't login at the moment?

[frozen edge]

Eh, wouldn't be so annoying if it was a short sword or long blade that was bugged. Gimme my combat arts 🙁

[spare badge]

I just logged in to check and it went just fine.

[high nest]

ok .. thanks

[spare badge]

Is it giving you an error?

[high nest]

"login failed. check your info" but i'm 100% sure i'm inputting my password right. I even tested logging in on the website and it worked just fine

[sinful scarab]

happened to me once, restart the game

[spare badge]

If it's persistently happening, maybe do an uninstall, download a new copy of the installer, reinstall.

[rugged smelt]

has anyone else had allot of trouble with the || Mestra fight?||

[dusky socket]

A lot of people have had trouble with this fight. But, at MR 17/18 with 35+ physical defense and 30+ Courage I could literally just light attack endlessly and win the fight, no mechanics involved, so most seem to be attempting the fight while under levelled and under geared.

If you're struggling and don't want to learn melee combat really well, I'd suggest just using Arbearer's and going full Courage. Can even pop a Courage elixir for a little more edge if needed.

(While not confirmed because we don't have enough UI information to see it, try putting physical armor totems on your weapons, as well.)

[frozen edge]

She also get stuck very easily on the stair bannister if you try to kite her into it. The hanging lanterns can also be jumped to. Both ways makes her helpless against thrown attacks.

[rugged smelt]

ok, yes i am leveled porperly ive been playing since preludes 11 and i found a way to fight it, but honestly the fact that you have to switch pacts and do things with courage makes it feel kinda pointless... why even play other classes smh

[lethal tundra]

According to the wiki you can get the Picktrix Rune by buying it from Verminia.

Yet I don't see the option to buy it?

Is the wiki wrong or have i missed something?

[raw blade]

its from the cogah

same boss

[dusky socket]

Because Soulframe isn't designed as a "pick a class" game. The whole setup lets you swap between "classes" seamlessly at the click of a button. I have prebuilt Melee, Magick and Range setups, as well as a couple random fun ones. And because the new siege is so heavily magick focused, I also now have a melee setup designed to survive that with ease.

You just need to utilize the functions of the game efficiently.

[high nest]

I'm MR 8 and had a full grace build and finished the fight by simply parrying and attacking when there's an opening and I healed most of the damage I took from missing up the parry timing by hitting back ... the fight isn't that hard (no mechanics involved) and she doesn't even deal that much damage. you just need to be either tanky to ignore everything and spam light attacks or have a basic understanding of how melee combat works in this game

[dusky socket]

Physical armor plays the biggest role. If you don't have much, you're gonna die

[high nest]

if you parry or block, this isn't an issue .. you need somewhat decent stability for the long combo or the pistol shot so you don't knocked down but again, I forget 99% of the time there's even a dodge button in this game, so what do I know

[dusky socket]

Yeah, but a lot of people haven't played melee since they started, so learning a whole new combat system while trying to fight a boss is...too much for them haha. I would argue that they just need to learn how to fight melee but, they don't want that answer.

[limber prism]

good sir how did you learn parrying and dodging

[high nest]

if I had to guess ... isn't the fact that your arcanics are disabled and they give you a melee weapon instead of your equipped weapon means that this fight is intended to be a test for your melee combat and skills?

[high nest]

simple ... keep doing it and failing till you don't suck anymore ... that's how everyone learned it

including me

[limber prism]

fair

i practiced parrying in the phantom sword duels only

[visual radish]

You dont have to switch pacts, no. especially because you cant use abilities anyway

You also dont have to "do things with courage"

Both are options in case you cant handle the fight otherwise

But the fight is still very possible without doing those things

I did them with around 24 physical armour and 11 courage

[dusty hare]

Bromius is a grace pact

[high nest]

is the 1 scalling still buggy?

[limber prism]

good sir what?

[high nest]

ohh i read this as a "great pact" ... brother what?

[neat citrus]

I mean yeah, Plum is right
either Spirit or Grace

would probably want to lean Grace for tankiness

[high nest]

is the 1 scaling still bugged tho?

[neat citrus]

they just nerfed it iirc

[limber prism]

ngl, i think they should change the bleed proc thing in duelo from perfect dodging to a parry

[dusty hare]

courage only effects bromiuses range on rump thump, spirits contribution to the spirit ability has a cap. so all thats left is grace you can pump to high heaven

[neat citrus]

Courage build on Duelo is so fun
Glock pact 🔥

[dusty hare]

i will make grace bromius go crazy

[verbal nebula]

It's bugged. Some people get S no matter what, some people get C no matter what.

[frozen edge]

Pact does matter for that fight. Even at MR 17, you can go in with a build that gets you 2-3 shotted without healing.

[dusty hare]

does being low level in a pact reduce your hp?

[visual radish]

Just in the fact the skilltree can give you more virtues which feed into health but that is the same on all pacts

[frozen edge]

DE made the mistake of allowing your current pact passive to work in that fight, which is why some people are getting a lot of health back just light attacking

[dusty hare]

i guess its placebo i felt more fragile when i first slotted duelo

[high nest]

yeah I ran that for a bit .. hella funny .. I use the melee but whenever there is a banneret, I pull an Indiana jones on his ahh

[high nest]

I agree .. fencing has always been about parrying not dodging but I understand the idea from a design perspective .. if the pact didn't encourage perfect dodge, no one will ever bother using it or its spectre strike (horrible attack, all my homies hate spectre strike)

[dusty hare]

parrying is a mechanic

it could be like the best parrier

like make it way easier for duelo

[dusky socket]

Why is Spectre Strike dmg so low compared to Riposte's? XD

[visual radish]

You mean like the healer pact art all pacts have?

[high nest]

Thank you .. my point exactly

[frozen edge]

spectral strike wouldn't be so bad if the game actually account for weapon range and makes a lunge animation worth a damn. It misses more often than not.

[dusty hare]

tangent, shields feel likein a weird spot, they arent really the best weapons at defense, are they?

[limber prism]

spectre strike should be parry based, because you're literally making an opening in your opponent

[visual radish]

Honestly i could see both passives being changed to being activated by parry

[dusty hare]

they could make it activated by both also

[visual radish]

That too

[high nest]

I think it's weapon specific ... long swords take for ever to attack after a dodge but greatswords dodge attacks are snappy ... it wouldn't matter anyway if the damage is dogshit

[pure shoal]

question, anyone able to give guidance on how to do the squirrel entry?

[limber prism]

just grab like 5-10 squirrels

[pure shoal]

aighty bet ty ty

[visual radish]

It was funny how the squirrel one completed for me before the charm animals objective

[pure shoal]

lol certified squirrel hunter

[high nest]

walk around forests and green areas hoping for squirrels to spawn

stay away from villages and rivers or you'll be seeing lots of beavers, ducks and rats

[limber prism]

ah, i wish perfect parry would proc bleed, that would be lovely. dodging isn't honestly the best mechanic when you can parry or block every attack

[high nest]

I think as a middle ground between thematic consistency and a way for DE to make ppl wanna use perfect dodge (which is the point behind the current design), have the clones spawn on perfect dodges and the bleeds of parries but either way .. they gotta fix spectre strike

buff its damage or make its stagger so high that it opens finishers for all the normal mobs .. that way you can justify it for grace finisher builds

[visual radish]

Can only hope the supposed arts rework handles that

[frozen edge]

they really should have came up with a different rune activation method instead of heavy attack

or at least a toggle, so you can still heavy attack without using runes

[visual radish]

I'd say bows got the shortest end of the stick on that one

[frozen edge]

Staves and Great Swords too

[limber prism]

grace finisher builds?

[verbal nebula]

Meh, rune activation on charged heavy attack is really a non issue

[visual radish]

At least everyone else can properly attack without firing the rune

Bows cant

[sullen fox]

Agreed generally, hence my combo idea earlier

I will say, I don't heavy on bows super often and it's working for me just fine against even pretty tough foes

[frozen edge]

light attack headshots still work. you just can't snipe anymore 🙁

[verbal nebula]

Rune charges aren't precious and have to be used.

[frozen edge]

I'd rather be able to heavy all I want in the last stages of a siege, than have to rebuild charges during the castellan

[limber prism]

runes activate on charged attacks on bow, no?

or is torrent and the other one different

[visual radish]

Yeah

Which means if you want range but dont wanna use the charge just yet, well too bad

[verbal nebula]

And in P13 you weren't starting the Castellan fight with rune effect. Now you have this possibility : better player agency.

[visual radish]

Technically it removes some agency

Now you cant just heavy attack or use charged shot on the bow without using the rune

So say you are clearing ads and are keeping the charges for the banerete or boss

You have one less move

[limber prism]

i'd say the agency depends on playstyle

like, if you dont charged shot a lot, then you can. but if you use charged shots a lot, then you have to be a bit more careful

i use the arcanic rune on avex, so i use charged shot a lot, but i;d say we can get smite procs easy enough to the point its not a big issue

[visual radish]

Even if you dont use charged shots a lot the moment you have an annoying archer out of range of the uncharged shot you kinda have your hands tied

[limber prism]

more like a QoL thing, if at all

[limber prism]

throw secondary

[frozen edge]

Let's not even pretend the scenarios are even comparable. The old way you could trigger your rune right away with a flyblade or dagger throw build and then have more than enough duration to kill them in a couple seconds

[verbal nebula]

Which is a strategic choice you can make. You don't have to save your charge for next encounter, you just choose to.

[verbal nebula]

Yeah, and it was obviously ultra broken

[visual radish]

Not saying next encounter

this encounter i am talking ads in a bossfight or siege

[frozen edge]

I agree, but saying the new way is player agency is laughable when its taking away playstyle

[verbal nebula]

Then use the charge on the banneret or boss ?

[visual radish]

Great for the invuln phase in mirifuir

[verbal nebula]

Well, before you were starting a boss fight with 0 rune effect and be forced to get in his way to proc smite and trigger rune. Now you can choose to start a boss fight with 4 runes charges doing 4x the damage of old runes and two shot any boss. You are just choosing not to.

[visual radish]

Look having an activatable rune is a great idea imo

Having it activated on the same button as another move is not

[verbal nebula]

Are normal enemies also immune to any attacks and spells which isn't a charged heavy attack ? I haven't encountered those.

[frozen edge]

yes, every enemy that you are underleveled for. which is most of them when you're leveling a new weapon in the NE

[limber prism]

if the level difference is high, then yeah

[molten apex]

hiii, does anyone have any extra codes? 🥹

[verbal nebula]

So, you are leveling items in the highest level zone, don't bother attune it, and won't use charges to make it easier ? bruh, why do you do that to yourselves and blame the game. I have been leveling the three last weapons and duelo in NE, and I've never experienced such a tough non-elite guard-happy enemy that made me wish the change to charged heavy attack was reverted. You can still attack them (or not, because they aren't a threat), you can still stagger them, you can still kick them, go around, use spells, whatever; or even kill them with a single ultra-buffed charged heavy attack from the so many smites that procc right and left at all times.

[limber prism]

bruv i licherally said its playstyle dependent, when did i blame the game?

[frozen edge]

I dont have a problem with it seeing as I am leveling g there just fine. Sure would be nice to pick whether or not to use a charge on an archer that's die to a sneeze instead of the next shield guy tho. thats just a basic QoL thing that youre arguing against for whatever reason

[visual radish]

Yknow what i think having separate buttons for light and heavy attacks is too little player agency we should increase player agency by reducing the buttons more

Everything is just left click now that is certainly the most agency ever achieved

[verbal nebula]

Sorry, I wasn't answering to you, my bad.

[limber prism]

all g

in other news, 10 duels won and 0 fragments acquired. ganth treatment it is

[frozen edge]

thats terrible luck

[visual radish]

Wait until you start getting the same fragment on repeat

[limber prism]

got 4 breeches

not from these, but overall

[visual radish]

Rng really is just cruel

[limber prism]

c'est la vie

[dusty hare]

can we please get the lute as a weapon?

[verbal nebula]

If the archer was going to die to a sneeze, I don't know why you were taking all the sweet time to charged-heavy-attack him in the first place.

[verbal nebula]

That's... bows.

Please ; both of you @frozen edge and @visual radish ; I'm honestly asking you in good faith to show me your Virtue assignment, your leveling weapon of choice, and a clear video of you struggling to kill level 30-40 enemies because you can't use charged-heavy-attack. I'm asking you to prove me wrong.

Because as of now, I don't see how impossible it is to play the game wholy with light attacks, heavy attacks, kicks, and spell, and use solely charged-heavy-attack with runes onto unique bosses to do devastating damage thanks to the actual rune buff we got, as a trade off against its limited use

[vague thorn]

Hi envoys, I am confused - was there a rework to combat arts? It seems I can't access the menu from bookshelves

searched all around web and can't seem to find anything of relevance

[frozen edge]

Im not struggling to kill anything. You're going out of you way to strawman an argument. The whole point of this initally, was that we should be able to choose WHEN to use a rune, without having to disrupt my playstyle for maximum efficiency. If I want to do a charged headshot on the archer that will kill it with out using a rune and then charged headshot the shield after to also one shot it, I should be allowed to do that without having to go out of my way to kill the shield first

[visual radish]

They are still same place as always as far as i know
You go to the equip screen and hover over the heart icon

[final rock]

yeah trigger on heavy strike requires you to handicap yourself w certain weapons or not use runes effectively

[vague thorn]

@visual radish tyvm, I was going insane - I tried nav igating to the heart but it was disappearing, I suppose I hovered over other option

[final rock]

I like the idea of the rework to runes, but its real awkward on bows and a bit off on gswords from my experience

[frozen edge]

this guy thinks taking runes as they come is somehow more player agency than deciding how and when to attack

[vague thorn]

also guys the runes you are talking about it is the animal spirits u socket into the gear or is it the middle slot for something more significant?

[visual radish]

Middle slot

Animal spirits are totems

[vague thorn]

do you have to craft them?

[visual radish]

They drop from bosses in set locations

[vague thorn]

just received a quest for them from scribble but no pop up showed up or anything

ah I see ! thanks

[final rock]

runes are the middle slot. animal mods are totems

[vague thorn]

thanks, coming back to old account is confusing as hell

btw last question, is there any time period for founders? Are they going away at a certain date?

[frozen edge]

eventually, but it should last for a long time

I think they said they will warn before that happens

[visual radish]

They are going away in the future but in exchange the items there will become farmable

Kinda like primes in warframe

[final rock]

worst case you'll possibly be missing out on cosmetics if you miss founders

[vague thorn]

oh I see so no FOMO?

like with excal prime

[final rock]

no excalibur prime

[visual radish]

Yeah they are trying to avoid fomo this time around

[vague thorn]

god bless DE staff

[final rock]

they've explicitly stated they don't wanna do that again

[limber prism]

are wyld pacts better than the normal ones

[vague thorn]

thank you guys, I just dropped warframe to understand soulframe more and get into it

[final rock]

rip teth, oscelda, and sirin umbra

[frozen edge]

The founder "exclusive" will be able to be given to other players, just with the founders name attached

[visual radish]

No but they both count towards the same skilltree

[final rock]

i don't remember how wylds are better anymore since they changed virtues

[visual radish]

In other words without wylds a pact gets 30 skillpoints
With wylds (and both versions levelled up) you get 60 skillpoints

[frozen edge]

they are the same, just double the skill points after you have leveled both

[final rock]

used to give more base stats and had some buff on smite that was bugged or something

might be thinking of the paragon gsword tho

[limber prism]

heyyy, that aint so GG. i could have a fully levelled out sirin if i have wylds

[final rock]

yeah currently 60 arts gets full upgrades on pacts

[frozen edge]

fully leveled base sirin too if you want to use that for some reason

[final rock]

always worth lvling for MR

[frozen edge]

except neither are fully leveled now cause they added two more pips to healer for some reason

[final rock]

oh they did?

ah they did rip

DE please make art allocation faster

[hexed spoke]

hi guys, ive always been cheap and dont like replacing hardware that isnt broken, my pc parts died before but my monitor has been alive for 12 years now. I'm thinking of replacing it.

for soulframe, is it a hugfe difference to go from 60 fps to 120fps?

[frozen edge]

assuming you mean refresh rate, there should be a pretty noticeable reduction in eyestrain going from 60 to 120

[hexed spoke]

thank you. my dumbass forgot my phone does up to 144hz

i tested from there and just made the purchase kek

it was actually very noticeable on my phone when switching from 60 to 144

[vague thorn]

hey guys me again - is the PC being loud af a normal thing with Soulframe?
It is doing overtime even with settings on Low, tried multiple settings but nothing improves
I do not have stutters or FPS drops or anything, it is just that the fans are loud af during Soulframe gameplay xD

[hexed spoke]

its not

unless your pc is struggling to play the game

[vague thorn]

yeah idk, I can play MH Wilds without such high fan noise but on this it ramps up

I believe Warframe had the same issue

someone suggested Vsync off in warframe but here it did not do anything so I am clueless honestly xD

[visual radish]

Now that is amazing

[hexed spoke]

that is weird

if anything mh wilds is the shitly optimized game

[visual radish]

How can one run one of the most unoptimized games currently with no problems but struggle with soulframe and warframe

[limber prism]

soulframe is still in alpha

could be a lot of behind the scenes loading and stuff

[visual radish]

However they said they had a similar problem in warframe so i dunno if it would be the pre alpha

[vague thorn]

exactly my point XD

I think it is just fans working overtime

annoys me but can live with it

[kind narwhal]

i wonder if they will ever fill that plot hole between the time your character is born in a castle to the time ur tied to a chair and later end up on an island

i love game lore just feels a bit empty id like to know what happen in between that time

im just rambling too

[vague thorn]

if I understand correctly u discover memories, I found something that showed my why the character creation happened

[kind narwhal]

ah

[visual radish]

||We were kidnapped and put under the spellsong

Iirc the kidnapping is shown in the music stones you get the juniper from||

[kind narwhal]

also since ur born or royality do u reclaim ur castle u were kicked from

i still need to find the other song stones to get my second bow fragment

[verbal nebula]

You do realize that both limiting rune activation by making it charged based and tying it to charged heavy attacks was made deliberately to stop players from having permanent rune effects and using charged-heavy-attacks as their only attack in their arsenal (as to wholly ignore armor and block mechanics) as a instant win button against all foes, from trashes to bosses ?

With the change to rune power making it a great increase of damage, it was evident to make it work solely on your highest damaging attack ; while in the process killing two birds with one stone by preventing players from using this attack all the time if they'd rather keep charges for a more difficult encounter later on, hence still giving players agency ; those changes solved the total omnipresence of both charged-heavy-attacks and rune effect as the only tools needed to clear any content in the game.

[molten spade]

I think runes should just have their own activation keybind

[verbal nebula]

So people can spam charged-heavy-attack as a win button at all time ? Meh.

[molten spade]

yes, it's a viable way to play and weapons like bows rely on fully charged shots for accuracy at range so it's kind of frustrating to have it use rune charges when you don't want to

[verbal nebula]

Don't you see it's an issue when it's the only viable way to play the game ?

[sullen fox]

"have to" is kind of a strong term for that, charged heavy attacks aren't like, a totally non-optional part of combat that must be pressed with abandon

However, I do think it'd probably benefit from adjustment regardless

[molten spade]

it's not though, you can also go for light attacks

[verbal nebula]

Then go for light attacks and save your rune charges

[sullen fox]

Just, adjustment that enhances the flow of combat and encourages/enables variety, not reduces it to Use Best Attack

[molten spade]

this is just missing the point entirely, they already changed runes so that they are single use/limited time and there are situations where you want to heavy attack without using a charge so they should be separated

[verbal nebula]

where you want to heavy attack ; but if you want to save a rune charge, then you don't use this charged heavy attack. It's pretty simple. You don't have to.

[wanton coral]

I just want back my fast flame atacks with the greatsword 😐

Btw using strong constantly is seeing in almost all rpg, that's why stamina bar exist

[frozen edge]

Thats bullcrap. Optimal way, for example, a bow user to take out an encampment would be to charged snipe the archers without using a rune and then use rune charges to finish off any remaining heavies. Most attacks would be charged. The only difference would be choosing WHEN and WHO to use the runes on.

But since we can't choose NOT to use a rune, the optimal way now is to charge into the encampment, charge attack the heavies FIRST with the rune charges and then finish off the archers, also with charged attacks. What exactly is DE changing with that gameplay other than making it more suboptimal?

[wanton coral]

If they want people to stop spaming heavy attacks just put stamina bar and that's it, but DE is scared that the Warframe brainwashed people will get mad because they can't spam atacks like crazy

[verbal nebula]

"What exactly is DE changing with that gameplay other than making it more suboptimal?" I'll let you think long and hard about this question.

You are onto something. You are this close.

[frozen edge]

Its not doing anything other than changing the kill order, you can try to make it sound like a sublime change to gameplay balance, but nothing effectively changes.

[limpid pike]

Anyone know how to report game bug to DE ?

[vagrant kayak]

#1438224825113120788

Envoys you are welcome to express your opinion and feedback on gameplay changes but please make an effort to do so without being dismissive or condescending towards others

[frozen edge]

Arguing over this is pointless anyway since the system is unlikely to go unchanged. If DE actually want to change the gameplay that much then they can go back to the old idol charge up system

[vagrant kayak]

Personally I like the new charge system for Runes, I think there are some pain points, activation being the major one. Before the system released I also thought just not using a charged heavy would be an easy solution to the worries but in practise it does make me use less of my options in combat now.
I think changing the activation to a different key/key combo would solve that pretty easily.
I've also found myself stocking up on charges more than using them actively through combat, which seems counter to the intended design

[frozen edge]

I like the new system too, much more balanced and reduces the silly shenanigans like flitsmoke chaining, but the activation is most of the issue for me.

Also, stuff like herdheart needs to get changed again, but I doubt any of the passives were finalized anyway.

[vagrant kayak]

Most passives aren't working at the moment so I'm curious how Healheart will interact with the new system, I think it could be a decent template to give all Pacts a way to gain Rune charges so we're not as reliant on Smite builds

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1494777442466791489

Giving each Pact a passive that gives you Rune power in ways tied to that Pact's theme seems fun, I also think maybe charges should decay to 1 when not in combat because right now it's a little too easy to just bank 4 big hits and instantly kill bosses

Which is powerful but not very engaging

[frozen edge]

Pickpocketing charges as Sirin would be amusing, so long as it also works on alerted enemies

[molten spade]

I think there should be more indicators for passives like oscelda's water one, like on duelo I have no clue whether or not I'm actually dealing bleed damage for perfect dodges

[frozen edge]

Feet glow briefly on a perfect dodge. It's easy to miss and should probably be changed. Bleeding visual effects would be good too.

[molten spade]

yeah perfect dodges are pretty clear with the sound effect too, I just meant indication for bleed

[frozen edge]

I didn't notice the Garren passive is "healheart." Did I Mandela effect myself into thinking it was herdheart or did they change that?

[frigid agate]

So there isn't any difference anymore between the Verite and Gildaur Blessed Joineries in P14? From what i understand they just provide a flat 1-3 Virtue bonus now.

[frozen edge]

no difference for now, it'll probably get changed again

[molten spade]

yeah they should probably remove the names and just say "blessing of mora" or something

[frozen edge]

Purple is still superior tho, because its the best color.

[frigid agate]

Yeah well i'm not re-applying Gildaur if it means having to re-level my weapons again lol.

[proven plaza]

So, I have the game up, as do my two friends. It says I am friends with someone, but they do not show on the list to invite.

Neither of them do.

[frozen edge]

That thing breaks every now and then, try using the plus sign top left when you esc instead of the friends list

[verbal nebula]

Enemy is a grunt -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is about to attack you -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is slowing walking toward you -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is far but you have a bow or a staff -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is blocking -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy has armor -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy doesn't have armor -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is a Banneret -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy Banneret is healing -> Charged heavy attack
Enemy is a Boss -> Charged heavy attack
Dog is sleeping -> Charged heavy attack
Slug is turning around -> Charged heavy attack
Mockeries jumps on you but misses -> Charged heavy attack
Crate has loot -> Light attack "Yeayyyy I'm useful !!!"

[dusty kettle]

What a weird way of writing „throw weapon”

[verbal nebula]

How dare you play suboptimallly

[frozen edge]

you keep assuming things about my gameplay thats not even remotely close to being true. you should probably stop doing that

[dusty kettle]

I’m afraid it is as optimised as it gets

As I said way before, Rostrum is my favourite boomerang

[frozen edge]

I play mostly light attack parry builds, which makes it all the more important for me to be able to control how my heavy attack builds play when I do use them

[verbal nebula]

Ho, I wasn't poiting out your gameplay, I'm sorry you felt targeted, I was pointing out the most optimal gameplay, as you said DE is making the gameplay suboptimal with the rune activation changes.

[verbal nebula]

Sadly, throwing weapon require actual skill, timing, and attention ; charged heavy attack doesn't !

[dusty kettle]

Time to hit a charged heavy attack with a bow without skill and attention

I assume bows were the main reason this change was introduced

[verbal nebula]

Still easier than a throw because you don't have to time it right ! Just hold and let loose.

[dusty kettle]

With active rune on bow, it would add its’ own hail of arrows to a hail of arrows (unless using avex) and melt any enemies health, cogah or not

Still sucks that now stacking Tethren’s 1 with any sword rune requires using a charged heavy attack

Earlier it would be spamming light attacks and destroying bosses with this combo of buffs

[undone prawn]

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[alpine mango]

In regards to weapon attunement. My understanding is that it can have 1-3 moons for example. But my Erstroot has a BIG moon. What does that mean? Anybody know this?

[vagrant kayak]

The golden pip is a new addition, happens when you reach 5 scaling in a Virtue

[alpine mango]

So it is equivalent to 5 moons then. Thank you!

[wicked stirrup]

How can I obtain quicksilver blessing Saphene 3 stars?

[vagrant kayak]

Thrice Blessed Joineries can drop from high level Agari and the various world bosses like the Vadagar Stag and Vadagar Bear, you can't really target farm specific ones but doing lots of boss fights is the best way

You can also buy them from the various Enclave stores, for Blessed by Saphene you'll want to chat to the Silent Rose

[wicked stirrup]

thank you howl!

[wicked stirrup]

do u think its a good fit for Avax bow if I go assasin virtue, grace/courage and blessing Saphene 3 stars joinery ?

[vagrant kayak]

I believe that's optimal scaling considering the Grace bonusses yeah, personally weighed it more towards Courage but either works

[wicked stirrup]

ty

[wicked stirrup]

https://imgur.com/y8anQfP

siege of fort gives the most reputation points?

[vagrant kayak]

Siege does not give Enclave Standing, though it does give other rewards

The 3 star Silent Rose mission will get you the most standing, though you can just do all 3

[reef arrow]

Was there any announcement about when they plan to make a fix to the shield and sirin?

[brazen sparrow]

Hotfixes should come hard and fast this week

[vagrant kayak]

Only Monday so no announcements yet, there will be fixes based on feedback all through this week most likely

[gleaming vortex]

what is the total highest armor point of maestra armor without elixirs?

[hexed spoke]

i dunno the very top max but i got to 150+ i think or was it 160

[lament nacelle]

im like level 15 with pretty even spread and i got like 130

im curious how this will get nerfed

[gleaming vortex]

which prism and amulet u using?

[hexed spoke]

the most basic one any of the 3

wait let me check everything again

okay 157, is what im reaching. im mr18

seems like its capped at that

wasnt changing with a wyld prism and the basic one

[gleaming vortex]

with +3/+3/+3 amulet right

[hexed spoke]

yeah

but given how it wasnt changing when i went with the wyld prism, its easy to cap

[hard steeple]

quick question about the new joinery, i want to reforge my rapier. but i cant read the interface if the new pip is capped at 5 or will it be 6 (becouse the base pips are 3 plus 3 more blue pips would be six)

or should i add a diffrent virtue pip just to be save?

i am honestly just confused by the new joinery system...

[crystal garden]

finnaly, and i got theory about this item drop

[hexed spoke]

spill

i still need 1 fragment

[limber prism]

heyo, anybody got a map for possible duel spawn points?

[limber prism]

thank you

[frozen edge]

Can someone else confirm that the new dungeon can be entered through the exit? Want to make sure its not just me glitched.

[halcyon thicket]

yea it's a bug

[hardy folio]

Does anyone have a promo code they could give me, please?

[verbal nebula]

While the question is totally worth asking but no one do know if it's 5 or 5+ (6, 7...) when the pip are golden, it doesn't change much :

With 5 pips of a Virtue, let's say you are trying to cap the damage of a generic longsword, considering they have ~40 base damage generally, and considering every pip allows 1 point of Virtue to be converted for 0.5 damage bonus (0.8 damage bonus for innate Grace pips), up to only +150% of base damage (of level 0) ; even if it wasn't Grace pips you'd need only 24 Virtue points to cap the damage of this given weapon, which is reached instantly with extreme prism or get really close to with dual stats/strong focus on one stats prism and Pact's points/Talisman.

And that's only if you had 5 pips, while you often have more pips of other Virtues also being here and contributing to the damage bonus. And in the case of Grace weapons having no other Virtue pips, they get bonus damage from their innate pips.

[vagrant kayak]

It's not entirely clear rn but it seems like 5 is cap now? I really hope the UI is made more clear ASAP, not just with the new changes but in general, made a post about the new Joineries earlier today https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495697693635379300

[verbal nebula]

I guess Thrice joineries are probably meant to be used on item with only 2 or less (or even none) pips of a given stats that you want to max ; and it's unclear if it's counted going beyond 5 ; but regardless, reaching 5 is in most of the case capping the damage bonus, even for hybrid builds.

[dusky socket]

Correct, regardless of what the patch note says, it's currently ONLY calculating up to 5 pips from one virtue.

So even if you can have 5+, until they patch, it doesn't do anything for you. And perhaps their intention is not to allow more than 5. We'll have to find out.

[vagrant kayak]

I would prefer that tbh, makes the UI more clear and is cleaner overall

[hard steeple]

i see. Thank you :3 then i will propably fuse it with another virtue just to get the most out of it. but i do want to get some virtue prisms first so i am currently farming standing to see if i can get a "redmage build" to work.

[vagrant kayak]

It's also closer to how other games treat stat scaling, if we look at the pips and convert them to a letter system you see in other games you'd get 1 pip being D scaling and 5 being S scaling

[brazen sparrow]

But also, with a 5 cap, there's much better room for variety

[dusky socket]

Although, it does significantly lower the threshold for min maxing, which people love to do, so it's going to be a split voice. But already it's nice to be able to hybridize weapons.

[frozen edge]

Would be much easier to test things like this if they'd just show us the numbers. For the attribute scaling on abilities too.

[dusky socket]

We do have the numbers, though? Just takes a short calculation.

[vagrant kayak]

My preference would be a cap on scaling but NO cap on damage, because right now you can get better scaling but still reach a weapon's cap without improving your scaling by just getting more stats

Make it give diminishing returns so you can't just make weapons broken

[brazen sparrow]

And as you get more envoy level, that would be easier to do.

[dusky socket]

Nah, this is going to turn into WF real fast if they don't reduce all damage and remove multiplicative damage haha. Already it's insane what we can do.

You can play the game for a couple of hours, and one shot everything in the game

[vagrant kayak]

You really can't

[dusky socket]

+50% dmg from Tethren, then +250% dmg on heavy attack, turns into 1.5k heavies even at MR 13

[knotty imp]

why bro just standing there menacingly

[verbal nebula]

To note, on your specific case of having a Navalha with 39 base damage and only 3 innate Grace pips, granting 0.8 damage per point of Virtue, you only need 41 Grace to cap its bonus damage, and that, without any added joinerie ; and that correspond to an extreme Grace prism, a good talisman, and some account level. So whatever is the joinerie you use ; Main or side Virtues are going to bring down the required Grace to cap it out

[vagrant kayak]

Sure, but that's not one shotting everything in the game, that's a very specific ability with limited charges interacting with more limited charges

That's using the game's tools to output big damage onto single targets, it's not going to trivialize a siege

I find it slightly disengenuous to point to a very specific build which results in Big Number and claiming you can one shot everything in the game after a few hours of play

[dusky socket]

Because you can, and I have been doing it on an alt account that has like 6 hours of play, half of that showing my brother around. I'm simply using it as an example of why multiplicative damage is our bane, not our friend, because it's easily exploitable.

And it's not the only example, as there are many other ways to achieve similar results with different grips and pacts

[dusky socket]

Also, to your point, you can literally complete most of the bosses and the first two sieges on a brand new account simply by using a bow (or even staff, just less powerful), and landing headshots from stealth. Why? Because of multiplicative dmg.

That's not disingenuous, that's literally just numbers

[vagrant kayak]

I mean, yeah playing the game well lets you complete the content, having watched a lot of people get into the game I really don't think there's a risk of too much powercreep currently

Not saying there aren't some balance issues but I do find the "It's becoming Warframe" worry a bit overblown, you can slaughter entire hallways with a button press in Warframe, there's no comparison imo

[knotty imp]

I also wonder if the literal island we are on is the warframe equivalent on starting out on Earth - before the higher level planets, before even steel path or sorties or ETA/EDA

Like, Midrath is our Limgrave - a sandbox'y type zone where we can just kinda fart around and do whatever, but then Caelid will be looming on the horizon at some point lol

[brazen sparrow]

It's been mentioned before that Midrath is but one island. but it will probably be an age yet before we see anything else

[teal cypress]

Can we get arcs for free ?

[verbal nebula]

I think the comparison is not that out of place because Warframe is about blowing up a lot of enemies, while Soulframe is about blowing up a few enemies ; so the amount of enemies killed in a button press is really game dependant/defining ; but we are still blowing up enemies in both ; with charged heavy attacks and runes, boss aren't lasting long enough to even use their AI and attack patterns to pose any threat ; which was a big issue in warframe and is starting to be one in soulframe ; forcing DE to start putting immunity phases again in bosses so they don't die too quickly (like the mages in the new siege or the wyrm going underground), which are just bandaids to powercreep

[gleaming vortex]

i still remember when i first play warframe, its like soulframe right now lol

[lavish smelt]

Sorry if this has been answered before, what’s the difference between thrice blessed quicksilver and thrice blessed feybalt if they both give 3 pips of the same virtue?

[vagrant kayak]

Quicksilver only works on ranged weapons and Feybalt only works on magick weapons

[lavish smelt]

Oh so it’s weapon type specific

Thank you

[vagrant kayak]

That's currently the only difference, which I don't like, just made a suggestion to change that actually https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495697693635379300

[lavish smelt]

Yeah I hope the current system is placeholder or they plan to take it further like they said about prisms

[dusky socket]

P15 and the gear/drops rework, with pre-baked stats/bonuses I think will accomplish a lot of this (though it's going to be really messy at first.) But then joinery will be a proper augment, instead of what it is now which is just a...way to make Purity work on a Grace build, or Juniper work on a Courage build? XD