gameplay-discussion

[verbal nebula]

The Dewelion is a lie.

[half talon]

Nah dewellion is elegance and life.

[undone prawn]

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[verbal nebula]

A lie can be pretty

I'm really starting to think it doesn't drop. Other people are having this issue in P13.

[half talon]

Ah yeah the drop rates can be a bit nasty. I wish I could trade my spares.

[verbal nebula]

Nasty is okay. Inexistent isn't.

[half talon]

I have heard players getting the drop. So it’s there just…low.

[covert kraken]

how do you do quests for your enclave now?

i know they used to be world events

[verbal nebula]

Talk to a tree

[covert kraken]

like any tree orrrr the little tree guy

[verbal nebula]

World trees

[covert kraken]

got it

[verbal nebula]

In P13 ?

[covert kraken]

so what does something like "moras beast" do?

[smoky crater]

virtue prisms decide the distribution ratio of the virtue points

[covert kraken]

so i dont distribute my points?

[smoky crater]

no manual distribution like that no

[covert kraken]

also should i sell any of these?

[verbal nebula]

to the right faction, it's better

so right now you are at kith of kings

so kith of kings tokens are sold for 250

[covert kraken]

yeah thats my faction im pledged to rn

[smoky crater]

each faction likes 1 of those 3 the most, 1 they like a little less, and 1 they don't really like

[verbal nebula]

baskbulb are for the alca's children and sinner's stratagem for the rose

so either you keep those, change factions to sell them there, or all in into your own factions but at reduced benefits

[covert kraken]

so sell only the sineculums

[verbal nebula]

your call

[covert kraken]

bet

i bought this and i have no idea what it does

[plush needle]

colour pallet for customization

[covert kraken]

yeah i just found the brew hues button and i have like no materials

[crimson canopy]

How do I get more quests after the the first boss fight? Is that the end of the story mode?

[plush needle]

find them

literally that, you have to find the triggers in the map

[covert kraken]

guys im fighting are using like a whirlwind ability what is it?

[plush needle]

Ode have those lightning based abilities, that little "tempest" is one of them

[covert kraken]

is it possible for me to get that ability too?

[plush needle]

not a mechanic or anything so far i know, just one "self buff" move on their move set

[crimson canopy]

Thanks for letting me know! Guess I gotta go explore more lol

[plush needle]

ye, just explore and interact with things, its not very hard to find them

there is more 3 questlines, well, one of them is really small for what i remember, but its 3 (or just google it in case you dont find)

[covert kraken]

some locations still dont have all whisps there at once?

[untold gazelle]

i've been playing for a while now and was told I should have an extra code to give to a friend, where do I find that extra code?

this was way before founders was a thing and was from signing up

[plush needle]

for what i noticed, when you get in a area, you can see small black dots on the slots under the area name, the those things represent the number of whisps there in the momment

so, you reach a area, under of the name you have the spaces, if a whisp is up, there will be a black thing filling one of those spaces

[covert kraken]

i see

[sly escarp]

Likely would have been sent to your emial when you joined, unless it was during Tennocon last year

[untold gazelle]

ah damn, I don't have my original email any more :<

thank you

[granite tusk]

@yaldabaoth ive found usually theres only 1 at a time but if u relog it will spawn another. Literally was just doing it haha

[sly escarp]

Sorry, asking for codes is not allowed in the server

[mint stone]

is there a keybind for walking ?

[hard geode]

Is there anyone well informed on the game that can dm me for a bit I’ve got some questions

[obsidian prairie]

Might be best to ask stuff here in case anyone else has similar questions

[finite stone]

Sadly not yet, but you can add to the feedback in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1445068812952272996 ! It's something we really need

[mint stone]

yea im falling off stuff all the time xD i just like to walk sometimes xP

[weary knoll]

Did you mean to try to @ me?

[covert kraken]

how does one get in the curlail fort

nvm

[mint stone]

DONE !! we need the walk toggle xD also scabbards xD

[proper crystal]

does fellust interact differently with heavy attacks?

[hot saffron]

Since I guess you do a perfect dodge whenever you have a sound clue, what is the window to make a spectre strike ? As I've done some so far but never dealt "devastating damage" on the next attack, merely a slightly bit more

[finite stone]

Yes, but specifically fully charged ones. I think it's covered in the top two rows on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Fellust table:

[finite stone]

Yeah perfect dodge is indicated by a sound cue and also your Envoy glowing a little gold as you dodge through the attack. Great question about the window, I'd assume around half a second or something? You know you're doing a spectre strike because it's a different attack animation compared to a normal dodge attack, but I agree devastating is a strong word lmao

[naive hazel]

How does gameplay compare to Warframes? iv fallen out of the loop and would love if someone is willing to explain it to me. thank you

[lunar atlas]

Its more like a slow pace gameplay unlike Warframe where you clear a room full of mobs in a single aoe shot or skill.

[hot saffron]

I didn't look at the animation, will check that next time around 🤔

[proper crystal]

for flyblade orbit, that's the act of throwing it right, and not throw > use fellust > use stack?

[finite stone]

Very different! It's closer to the nice classic 2013/14 warframe (fighting individual enemies and focusing on the environment), versus what warframe is nowadays. It's easiest to compare it to more comparable games though - things like Jedi Fallen Order maybe

[finite stone]

orbit means throw with MMB (heavy attack), versus throw with LMB (that's just a light attack)

[naive hazel]

Neat sounds really fun!

[proper crystal]

yeah, i meant does it only use it for the orbit throw action, and not on already orbiting ones?

[naive hazel]

sounds more engaging, I look forward to trying it!

[finite stone]

oh you mean fellust still! Yes it's per use, not per strike

[lunar atlas]

It is! Hope you can hop in soon. Preludes 14 update is just around the corner of April.

[void marten]

Help

Also, Orengall quest doesn't start when on a party session

[floral maple]

Hi folks, does Gathannan drop at the moment? Do I need to farm specific Stags for it, or how can I obtain it?

[finite stone]

It does drop yes! Its only drop source is Vadagar Stags (either encountered naturally at night, or via tales)

[floral maple]

Then I must be extremely unlucky .. I have dozens of Armorshards from the Stag.. but none for Gathannan .. am farming Mendicant King and Stag atm.

Thank you

[proper crystal]

what is the thing on the back of the arbearer armour? a hood? a basket for snacks?

[ripe bone]

Rain collector for instant showers.

[proper crystal]

I just love the arbearer set so much 😭

comfy little parka

wait a minute

arbearer is the bromius set

wyld arbearer

[tiny loom]

Chance improves at higher level areas I think

[floral maple]

I'll relocate northeast then, after i get the last piece from the king 🙂 thanks

[proper crystal]

anecdotally I got more marrow's bane fragments in the northeast

[dreamy kayak]

you're not the only one that's unlucky, I've been farming just the stag for over a month and nada.
I've been wondering if its bugged too because I farm with 2 other people and the chances are one of us would have minimally gotten a shard by now and nada.

[floral coral]

I want to invite a friend but I don't have any codes, how can I invite him?

[floral maple]

There is a thread on the forum, where ppl can post codes they don't need ... Or you can direct him to the funders packs

[floral coral]

ouh where can I find the forum?

[half talon]

Next envoy hour is the 21st at 4pm EST, being signed up on Soulframe.com puts him in the weekly giveaways, and there’s always founder packs, which can only be purchased via the Soulframe website. Folks sometimes drop codes here but those are best/most legitimate ways atm.

Forums are located at forums.soulframe.com

[floral coral]

ouh ok thanks for information

And do you know if the progress will be erased when it's released?

[tiny loom]

No wipes

[floral coral]

yeaaah cool

[half talon]

There are no planed wipes. And unless something absolutely critical happens, the devs do not plan on wiping everyone. I won’t say never because that’s bit me before but highly unlikely since there are real money purchases being made in game.

[deft socket]

Does completeting sieges and organs give Faction standing?

[unborn lotus]

Sieges gives a stat called 'Infamy' but it doesn't do anything yet. I can't remember if Organs give infamy, but they give unique armour and weapon fragments at the moment.

DE haven't said much about what Infamy will be used for, whatever ideas they have are a while away.

[dusty kettle]

Alright, that’s cool, but sir arthur asked about faction standing, not infamy

[deft socket]

Yes, I know about infamy already

[unborn lotus]

Avakot wiki currently says nothing about gaining or losing faction standing if that's more helpful, so that's very likely to be "No, it does not give faction standing" https://wiki.avakot.org/Sieges

[proper crystal]

i confirm the answer is no

[deft socket]

OK thank you

[verbal nebula]

How do you get anything else than a C rank in Sieges ?

[deft socket]

Dont die, and leave none standing

[verbal nebula]

Done, even without taking a single hit, still C rank

[deft socket]

Hm, weird. I never gotten anything below S so I dont know, maybe a bug?

[verbal nebula]

I've never gotten anything else than C rank. Even by killing everyone in, out, in the next village, their families, their dogs, and its fleas

[dusty kettle]

I don’t think siege ranks work at all

[hexed spoke]

dont be slow

[dusty kettle]

I tried everything to get anything else than C, and I initially thought it was related to time from starting a siege to burning red balloon.
I managed to, at some point, finish a siege in barely less than a minute and it still was a C.
Then I thought, maybe I have to kill everyone inside fort in time, so I was doing what dwqrf did, except for the next village etc. part - still a C, even after making it below 2 minutes.
If none of these worked, maybe taking as little damage as possible was also included? This was also not an answer - that is why I believe siege ranks aren’t working at all right now

[hexed spoke]

weird. mebe report it. i usually only get S

[verbal nebula]

✅Less than 5mn
✅Killing everyone
✅Not getting hit a single time/taking fall damage/using a potion
✅Not going to the nightfold/dying
✅Opening most of the chests on the way
❌C rank

[proper crystal]

my honest reaction to bromius being another grace pact

[dusty kettle]

It’s a what pact? Build courage and become a thermonuclear bomb

[hexed spoke]

report it as bugged for you

[proper crystal]

the damage doesn't scale with courage

it scales with grace

[dusty kettle]

The 1 skill should absolutely scale with courage

[proper crystal]

you're right

it should

the damage only scales with defence, and your 3 increases defence scaling with grace

and the highest defence is orengall set with full grace

[dusty kettle]

oml

So being naked, if playing bromius, is very suboptimal

[proper crystal]

yes

it doesn't even have a base damage, it's based entirely on your defence

0 defence = 0 damage

[hexed spoke]

that made me want to log in.
let me check the def on full grace orengal vs full courage mendi

[proper crystal]

arbearer is higher on full courage

[dusty kettle]

Go arbearer not mendi

Unless that’s the best courage set you’ve got

[proper crystal]

orengall has same base defence, 1 extra grace pip per piece, and 2 courage pips per piece

[hexed spoke]

does it only scale off physical def?

[proper crystal]

all

[hexed spoke]

lol you're right. it was meant to be better with courage but you get more def as grace

[verbal nebula]

and you may even want to play with a staff and a magick secondary for even moar defences (the rune gives two defence totems)

[proper crystal]

so do flyblades

and flyblades proc barkbare better

swap 1 and 3 tbh

[ripe bone]

Before they patch runes, do yourself a favor and try durglint (shields cogah rune) with flyblades orbit

Which might be any day now

[verbal nebula]

With Garren Rood so you can keep the rune up ad infinitam for even moar damage

[hexed spoke]

the forbidden kamehameha

[deft socket]

if you buy each founder pack 1 by 1, will paragon become free?

thinking of doing it weekly

Or if my math is correct, looks like it'll be $10 if all other packs are purchased first

[vagrant kayak]

It will not become free as Paragon comes with items not in the other bundles as well as extra Moonsteel Threads and Arcs, buying the other bundles will reduce the price of the Paragon pack, though I couldn't say to how much

You'll end up paying more overall though if you buy each seperately since the additional Moonsteel and Arcs will bump up the overall price

[deft socket]

Are you sure?

Ive bought wyld tethern the other day, when I went to look at the other packs paragon went from 100 down to 70

[vagrant kayak]

I'm not sure as I got the Paragon pack out of the gate, I suppose if you get the bonus Arcs and Moonsteel and not the full 3500 again it would end up being 100 total

Of course at that point there's no reason to buy them one at a time

[deft socket]

It's easier on the budget for me, I get paid weekly

I plan on getting sirin this week, if it goes down another $30 paragon should be only $10 by the tiem I have all 3

I'll still end up paying $100, but over a period of weeks rather than one lump sum

[hexed spoke]

if they made the pricing like that i respect them more

even steam doesnt do it that way kek

[split drift]

Hihi, I'm new to the game and loving the development of it so far. I was wondering if anyone knows a little more about Map pins and if they are a thing (other than the waypoint pin you can place).
I can see some things show on the map but things like Factions don't tend to show? Is this a bug or something they might implement later? 👀

[vagrant kayak]

Once you've discovered the Enclave it should add the icon to your map permanently

[lunar atlas]

They have a regional pricing to be fair. I have the Paragon founder packs for only a total of 60 USD.

[ripe perch]

How?

[smoky crater]

Because of regional pricing

[ripe perch]

which country?

[smoky crater]

I dont know

[ripe perch]

im askin cuz its 100$in turkey 😄

you talkian about 40$ diff

[smoky crater]

Tho using a vpn to get the price lower is bannable so forget aout that if that was in your mind

[ripe perch]

ahah i dont need that but just i wonder

[smoky crater]

Yes because in 1 country 100 USD can have a totally different value than in another depending on the economy of the country

[ripe perch]

bro do you know anything about turkey's economy? 😄

[smoky crater]

Nnnnope

[ripe perch]

then you are a lil bit lucky 😄

[smoky crater]

It is based on steams regional pricing system so

[ripe perch]

aah they removed turkish lira etc... right...

i cant pay with my bank card on Soulframe right now because my bank doesn't recognize it as a secure transaction 😄

insane...

[halcyon thicket]

People went crazy with Turkish lira on steam

[smoky crater]

👀

[river elk]

most places use usd as a benchmark when pricing things so that money is not lost in translation. I am in Canada and I use usd first for things I have, it always get's translated to your own currency so basically all prices are the same no matter the currency.

[exotic oak]

is it worth buying more pacts

[river elk]

if you plan to play them

[smoky crater]

To buy pacts themselves? No

[exotic oak]

but is to buy them them the only way to have access to more?

[river elk]

from faction?

or founder pact?

[smoky crater]

You can buy the fragments for pacts from factions shop or get a few specific ones by completing certain fables

You dont need to spend Arcs to get other pacts

[river elk]

i just use arcs for weapon slots.

[smoky crater]

Pact slots you would need to use arcs on but not pacts themselves

[carmine cypress]

Could you tell me: in the arena located in the dungeon, there are stone pillars that can be destroyed. Are they just decorative, or are they part of some kind of puzzle?

[smoky crater]

Decorative

[ripe perch]

how i can fix that?

[smoky crater]

Did you try again?

[ripe perch]

like 50 times

[verbal nebula]

I have questions about a Totem ; does anyone know ? :

The Shaper (Beaver Totem for Magick weapons) has two quite similar effects in both Utility and Attack, them being :
Utility : 'Unhindered' Heavy Casts that pass through enemies bypass 18 Armour
Attack : 'Unhindered' Heavy Casts that pass through enemies bypass 20 Armour

-If you use both, do you benefit from both for -38 Armor total or is one overriding the other ?
-Does it also affect the first enemy hit or only following enemies after passing through the first one ?
-Can Unhindered attacks pass through big bosses like Stag and Bear, and thus affect them ?

[finite stone]

Ooohhh this is such a good question! It's a weird one especially with having the same effect in two different slots. Idk if anyone has tested it yet but I'd love to know

[knotty imp]

i'd be careful with brute forcing payment processing stuff when you get errors, could possibly charge you multiple times later on or smt, had this happen with steam a few times ( not soulframe tho but still )

[lunar atlas]

Im in Asia (Philippines)

[sinful scarab]

this seems like xsolla issue try sending a ticket to their customer support, alternatively try a different payment method like PayPal it worked for me

[ripe perch]

i wanna buy paragon founder pack im seein that error...

[ripe perch]

paypal, gpay, apple pay everything banned on my country

[knotty imp]

then prob ask support by filing a ticket, wouldn't want to it to charge your account multiple times and no paragon

[ripe perch]

a talkd with my bank's call center they said we blockin cuz of safety bla bla...

they said you have to try again 1h later... lmao

[knotty imp]

illegal underground black market soulframe founder purchases be like

[ripe bone]

they stack

also they pass through bosses generally

went from 102 with one equipped to 122 with 2 equipped

[feral warren]

Just wondering, I’ve noticed recently that when I am switching weapons or going in and out of combat arts in the “arsenal” the game will stutter like it is loading for a sec. This happens on two different PCs for me. Anyone else seeing these arsenal microstutters?

[ripe bone]

i have some when switching prisms sometimes or pacts, but it might be a shader cache issue. if you had a graphics driver update recently you might need to purge the caches to clear old shaders that cause stuttering

or it could be an hdd issue if you use one for some reason

[feral warren]

Could be. I find it odd though that I have this with two different PCs with different specs. Both have SSDs. When I first started playing the game it didn’t happen. It’s almost like now that I have all the pacts and weapons it’s an issue. One system used AMD and the other Nvidia btw.

[ripe bone]

see if purging the shader caches (even if only for the game if you can isolate it) solves it. it will take a bit of time until framerate stabilizes since it has to recompile all the shaders from scratch but after that it should be smooth

[feral warren]

Ok. I’ll report back when I’ve tried that. Thanks.

[smoky crater]

Shader cache tends to get reset automatically after a driver update
At the very least with AMD

[ripe bone]

if i recall warframe and soulframe do something weird with their caching (with the shader cache enabled toggle in the launcher), but it doesnt hurt to check, aside from a bit of recompiling

[smoky crater]

It's every games shaders that get yeeted on driver update for me afaik

[wary laurel]

do we need to be on same PACT to play in group?

[finite stone]

No, your pact is just one of many pieces of equipment (it's the arm you wear that has abilities)

anyone can play in the same group no matter what equipment you use, what enclave you're in, etc

[tawny seal]

does anyone have a spare key for my friend? he is looking to play and i already used all my keys 😅

[slow copper]

oof, just getting back into this game after not playing it for a long long time, what totems do you rec for the magic weapons?

[proper crystal]

when are we getting bear totems

[lunar atlas]

you won't go wrong with squirrels totem

[visual radish]

Gonna need a bigger flute first

Maybe a didgeridoo

[proper crystal]

YES

and bagpipes

[split drift]

I can't wait to see all the soulframe cosplays crop up...The ocarina has to be able to be made into a real one :3

[slow copper]

nice ive been rocking them so far

[lunar atlas]

same! squirrel squad

[covert kraken]

how does one clear up inventory space for weapons

[wet tulip]

go to camel at nightfold and press sell

[near sapphire]

someone have a spare key and want to share?

[covert kraken]

game just crashed during a collector mission how fun

[wet tulip]

"pre alpha moment" xD stuff happens unfortunately

[full hearth]

Consider yourself collected

[young lodge]

Check DM’s in a sec 👍

[full hearth]

[covert kraken]

game just crashed again trying to sell stuff

[covert kraken]

did they patch the dual dungeon entrance with orengale pact?

[young lodge]

The one with the pressure plates? I don't think so.

[covert kraken]

i figured it out

my character like launches forward when i use the wolf form for some reason

[young lodge]

Yeah idk why it does that. I swear it didn't used to

[covert kraken]

it didnt

last time i played in sep

[sinful scarab]

yeah i hate that so bad especially because i play orengall pact the most, i reported it here and nothing happened, and when I went to report it directly to the support they just told me to send it to the feedback channel, they don’t see it as a bug and no matter how I look at it, it is a bug

[covert kraken]

it might be on purpose for double dungeons

[sinful scarab]

double dungeons?

[covert kraken]

no solo leveling

the one that takes two pressure plates to open

[sinful scarab]

you can do it but the other way, do the wolf first and then the envoy

[young lodge]

Pretty sure that one Undercity entrance is the only place in the entire game that needs that. I don't think "double dungeons" are really a thing specifically.

[covert kraken]

it is one of the best if not the best dungeon tho

[novel ivy]

So I have a question because I haven't played with others yet. If you have found all 15 of the accessable world trees, is the map always uncovered even when you join someone else, or do you have to uncover it again when joining someone else?

[young lodge]

Well yeah the Undercity is the best but the dungeons are randomly generated, so It's no different than the Undercity would be if you entered from anywhere else besides enemy level

[covert kraken]

idk i feel like this one is always longer could be trippin tho

how do you get runes

[halcyon thicket]

always cleared for you

[novel ivy]

Thanks

[sinful scarab]

i thought they would cap at 100

[knotty imp]

damn bro, can't decide if you are dedicated or just crazy haha

[coral kite]

dont they cap at 5?

[halcyon thicket]

Never liked farming sap

[coral kite]

is that a bugged number or did they change the cap

[sinful scarab]

you hold 5 but can craft so much more

[coral kite]

OH okay

[coral kite]

I always held myself out lol

if I knew I shoulve crafted more lol

[sinful scarab]

i just login to craft at this point

[coral kite]

like I would always have 5 and 1 ready to claim bc I thought it was the limit lol

[knotty imp]

yea but a 100 cogah potions require an insane amount of sap/agaric shrooms

[halcyon thicket]

Agaric is easy

Sap is only in one area and with limited amount

[sinful scarab]

I’ve been killing the 5 agaris in northwest part of the map for runes to turn it to harmony and that’s where the agaric from and the sap is on my route so i pick it up, there’s 3 near weaver the spider and 1 near kabocha

[raw reef]

Ok question im not sure what the enemies are called but the ghost creatures is there a way to permanently kill them or no?

[halcyon thicket]

Q lmb

[raw reef]

ok thx

[half talon]

For future reference they are called mockeries and give a good amount of xp if you’re trying to level stuff.

[nocturne briar]

Can assist w pacts, weaps etc dm me

[proper crystal]

does this door open?

[peak mulch]

Does Cogah increase drop rates of bosses?

[smoky crater]

Nope

[smoky crater]

Nope. Just changes the runes in a few bosses droptables

[peak mulch]

gotcha thanks

I cant get Dewelion to drop for thje life of me

[smoky crater]

That do be a notoriously low drop rate weapon atm

[young lodge]

If that's one of those doors underneath the bridge tile in the Undercity, than no it doesn't

[spare badge]

No. It seems like it's part of a possible future puzzle.

There's a room with breakables and a chest behind the door.

[verbal nebula]

So I've spent like a whole week trying to get Dewelion, playing 6-8h per day farming only that weapon ; doing roughly 12 dungeons + 3 sieges + 2 collector per day ; and after a whole week staying at 0/3 fragment, I had legitimate doubt that this weapon existed or dropped.

Eventually, I dropped one fragment yesterday in dungeon. So I guess if I keep doing the same routine for 100 more hours, i'll eventually get it whole. 😮‍💨

[peak mulch]

Holy hell

[verbal nebula]

Definitely not reasonable (from DE), and not healthy (from me)

Note that it's the last item that I do not own so I really have nothing else to farm to give diversity to my little circle farming route

[turbid ridge]

I gave up after I heard it took someone 50 kills

bought it with arcs I got from founders

[verbal nebula]

Is that a good thing that some item are hard to drop to give loot to look for ? Probably. But running in the hamster wheel without any single shred of reward is extremely disapointing and frustrating ; As I've said before, I wouldn't mind the Dewelion to be in 30 parts with higher drop chance to give the impression you are moving toward a goal, because as of now it's too much effort for the extremely rare and punctual reward. I think extremely low drop chance items should be reserved for exclusives cosmetics instead of gear that is somewhat important for progression and build diversity (like Ephemeras, for instances)

[turbid ridge]

I was 2/3 for a long time

then just gave up on that lol

[wet tulip]

every update there is that item with extremely broken rng that get fixed and the bad rng goes to the next one xD

i guess best is to just wait for P14 to drop and try again

[turbid ridge]

hopefully it does soon, LFG chat has been dead for a couple weeks

[wet tulip]

thats normal xD and it spikes after a new update again

[turbid ridge]

I dunno, it seems lower than usual recently

maybe because all the funny people left 🙁

my buddy neurodivergent plays maple story now

it's rough out here

[wet tulip]

because usually it took 1-1.5 months for a new preludes version to pop out. and it got slowed down

how long did p13 lasted before P14 gonna get live?

[normal sail]

feb 12th so bout a month and change

[wet tulip]

2 months already

and we didnt get p14 yet so most likely 1-2 weeks more?

So yeah not trying to say anything bad about preludes versions release dates. But if they get released slower ofc player activity will drop more

[spare badge]

The update'll be out when it's ready. Just let the devs cook. P9 was a month later than DE's estimate.

[tall gust]

they said around mid april which is like now, so i think if the update is ready is should come sometime next week. But yeah, make the update good and working properly! 🙂

[spare badge]

Mid-april's still a day and a half away.,

Also, pay attention to what I said about p9. It could be not ready till mid-late May. We'll just wait around and see.

[tall gust]

you know what i meant.. there is no fixed date on the update so rounding it up by one day is nothing when you dont have a fix date

[spare badge]

DE just gives guestimates for when they hope things will be ready.

[tall gust]

And i did not said as a fact, i just said IF they ship it in mid april it shall be sometime on next week, i didnt said oh yeah it IS next feek for sure hands down

[analog coral]

i didnt realize that i was using all of my keys for the circade whoopsie daisy. but how do you actually get more?

[floral maple]

Yaay! Mndicant King finally dropped his Pants 🙂 Now I can focus on this elusive Gathannan 😄

[young lodge]

The Mendicant King what?

[floral maple]

The Stone statue in the southwest.. drops his armor set and the purity greatsword.. he refused to drop the last pant fragment for a while now 😄

[verbal nebula]

Phew, for a second we thought you... well... nevermind.

[twin chasm]

I only have one question...When are we getting Badgers

[verbal nebula]

what about cats

[twin chasm]

Cats are okay but Badgers are BA

[verbal nebula]

I want a german cat-man-ghost in nightfold that has a beef with the french-rat-lady

[civic plank]

I have a question relating to attunement. Lets say I have a weapon like Marrow's bane that has 4 courage stated on it base. Would I be better off attuning further into courage or attune into a different virtue?

[grave valley]

With a blessed joinery?

[civic plank]

Yeah

Actually the wikia says all the blessed ones give +1 courage but Ill double check in game rn

In-game they're different^

[civic plank]

Or is it just more a preference thing?

[vestal crystal]

Depends on your virtue levels

If you already have high courage but low in others it would be better to just have extra courage attunement

But if you have relatively high virtue in others you can maybe check if one of them would be higher damage then just courage

[civic plank]

Yeah, I'm using Mora's beast with the full Arbearer's set with Moten Mora's talisman which has me at C36 S2 4G

[iron temple]

I've noticed lately that rather than 1 hour, virtue buff potions (courage ones at least, not grace. also may have encountered a specific bug combo that triggers that...) have been lasting indefinetly... 😅🥰 And since they are +10 and the 10 minute music buffs are just +5, it has been very helpful in keeping my Gathannan and Purity maxed and not missing out on Molten Mora and instead fine with Triune Talisman! 🥰 It is so nice to run around 50 or so Courage and Gathannan at 222 & Purity at 219 and then activating Mora's Hand Ember to combined have Hungry Flame weapon buff for 1.5 minutes (Hungry Flame continues for 1 minute after not on fire) and easy to refresh, which pushes Gathannan to about 259 and Purity to about 257 but with the right combo of music buffs and potion buffs I can get at least one of them to high uptime be at 260!!... 🤣🥰🎉

Which is super nice for 30 seconds of Treefell Rune 2x damage speed (near instant) "charged" heavy attack and 40 armor penetration! 🤣😻

[vestal crystal]

Yeah then it is best to just do extra courage

[civic plank]

Gotcha gotcha. Ty ^^ I’ll likely try to use the joinery that does lifesteal since the build stats want you to be Tanky/defensive it seems(using totems for that as well)

[iron temple]

For anyone looking for a goal to tide them over some more before the next prelude drops, you could gather a stash of the rarer ingredient for virtue elixirs/potions like Neathcaps from the Neath'uns or Grynnetongue & Lullily from corrupted areas! 😻 I'm planning to do some potion ingredient gathering soon myself! 😄

[plush needle]

finally

arrow hail build pretty much complete

[verbal nebula]

Well, something to keep in mind is that, according to the wiki :

"A weapon can only gain bonus damage from Attunement equal to 1.5 times (150%) its base damage (i.e. a weapon dealing 50 damage can only gain 75 bonus damage from Attunement)"

And :

"As a general rule, each Attunement Pip adds 1/2 a point of Damage per point in that Virtue."

So, with Marrow's bane base damage at level 30 being 78 ; you can only get it up to 195 ; a gain of 117 damage ; which is 234 courage if it had only one pip ; or 58.5 courage for 4 pips, or 46.8 if you had 5 pips. Adding a courage pip does add some damage and you are still far from the cap. In your case at 36 Courage, base 4 pips should be bringing the weapon to 150 damage, 5 pips to 168.

If i'm understanding it correctly and if my math is correct.

[iron temple]

The 1.5x attunement is multiplying the level 0 base attack damage for bonus to add to whatever the current leveled base attack damage is. Also the tooltip will be showing the with joinery amount (+25 with Blessed Guildar). So for me the math for Marrow's Bane is (54 * 1.5) + 78 + 25 = 184. Which means that without joinery it is 159.

I honestly think the in game tooltips should be designed for a bit more clarity and options... 😅

@verbal nebula Thanks so much for mentioning how more pips make it so you can max it out easier! 😄

[verbal nebula]

So, with Marrow's bane base damage at level 0 being 54 ; you can only get it up to 135 (at level 0) ; a gain of 81 damage ; which is **162 **courage if it had only one pip ; or 40.5 courage for 4 pips, or 32.4 if you had 5 pips. - But at level 30 you have 78 base damage, but still only +81 bonus damage from (base damage level 0) x (max attunement) ; so for a cap of 159.

So that's correct ?

[iron temple]

Yes that is indeed correct! 😄 👍

At least the totals. I didn't bother to double check the pip number virtue required to max part of the math, just all the other stuff.

I'm just too used to running around with max stats and a large pool of blessed joineries, lol! 😄

Gathannan and Purity are the only 2 weapons I know of where I need a virtue buff to max them out... 😅

Of the best in type stuff anyway... 😄

[vestal wagon]

im curious as to which starting pact will lean best into more like, combat related magicks? just starting out and unsure which to pick!

also curious if there are any that are more crowd control adjacent

okay im going with spirit it seems the most crowd control-ey

[thorn oasis]

Oscelda's Bestone is a decent AoE stun.

[verbal nebula]

Ok so let me tell you what i found out about magic in Soulframe

It's kinda of -not- what you'd like it to be

It's pretty hard to find pacts that really synergize with Spirit to boost spells damage ; and spirit weapons (staff/gauntlets) do a little less damage than bows for example

[vestal wagon]

hm

[verbal nebula]

The whole point of Spirit is more to play more spells ; more often ; instead of stronger spells

[vestal wagon]

ohh

thats really neat actually, i kinda like that

[verbal nebula]

Because Spirit is CD reduction ; and eventually, playing twice a spell is kinda doubling your spell dps

BUT ; a lot of spells do little damage, or have reduce damage against bosses, so compared to their great amount of armor, you still will have to play heavy attack and aim for the head to kill thoses and you won't rely on the damage of your spells (there is obscene exceptions)

So the spell kit of a pact for a spirit build is more chosen for its overall utility instead of armageddons

[vestal wagon]

so do you need to buy the other pacts

[verbal nebula]

BUT, and that's the issue in the current version of soulframe ; with the right totem and the right weapon, you can end up with extreme CD reduction, of CD total negation, with any build, spirit or not

[peak folio]

(New player here) Is Spirit viable for an archer in anyway?

[vestal wagon]

so is spirit just like, not worth doing? i picked it already since i liked its vibes

[full hearth]

You'll need to craft the others

[vestal wagon]

ohhh

[verbal nebula]

Well, archer are playing with bows ; bows require Grace attunement ; all Grace Weapons have more damage gain from Grace ; Grace grant increase damage multipliers on headshots and stealth ; so you generally just want to stack Grace ;

Spirit only increase your CD reduction

[thorn oasis]

I run with Oscelda and a bow (with a spirit / grace hybrid prism). So, it definely works.

[full hearth]

Spending Arcs is the pay to skip option

[vestal wagon]

alright, so is oscelda okay then? i like the cooldown reduction stuff

[full hearth]

Oscelda is solid yeah

Self healing is handy

[vestal wagon]

is spirit fully support or can it be fine for dps as well?

[full hearth]

You'll be able to deal damage too. There is no strict "Trinity" at play

[verbal nebula]

I want to play Spirit too, but unless you are required to stack a healthy amount of Spirit for the attunement of your staff, you will only gain damage on one spell (the middle one) ; if it does damage ; but you'll be able to play all your spells more often

[full hearth]

There are no tanks, healers, dps

[vestal wagon]

gotcha

[full hearth]

Only Pacts that all have their own quirks

[vestal wagon]

thats really cool

[thorn oasis]

I've used a full spirit Orengall build, it worked well for me.

[verbal nebula]

The left spell scale with Courage, the right spell scale with Grace, so whatever the virtue you chose to max out, you always have one strong spells regardless of playing Spirit and cosplaying a Wizard

[vestal wagon]

huh. interesting

since oscelda's spirit spell is just healing

so i'll just be using my staff mostly

[verbal nebula]

you'll be relying on your staff to do less dps than other weapon BUT you will still be able to use the first and third spell more often than without spirit for damage gain and cc

[vestal wagon]

i see i see

so spirit is like, spell spam

or more frequency i mean

thats a neat tradeoff

[verbal nebula]

which ; in some instances, isn't that great ; because in the game, you often just move from packs of enemies to packs of enemies and use only one spell rotation to kill them all ; with quite some downtime in between ; but like, against a boss, having quicker rotation can be really helpful ; or you know, just have a build that can kill it in one single rotation works too..

Myself, i finish to level a couple of weapon and i'll All-In into a Spirit build, because that's what I want to do

[vestal wagon]

im most interested in spirit

[verbal nebula]

But i know Bows, are broken, and Courage is tanky af

[vestal wagon]

at least for now

[verbal nebula]

For Spirit player, you have to know you'll end up doing less damage at range than bows, and you'll be the weakest class in the game having both less armor and less health than others (which make you extremely squishy)

[vestal wagon]

well i already chose spirit so itis gonna be a bit before i can change even if i wanted to lolol

[verbal nebula]

the only upsides of Spirit build is that you have a greater Magick resistance (quite situational) and better CD; but not necessarly better spells.

Just stay at range, plan carefully your spell rotation, aim for the head with heavy attack of your staff, and you'll be fine

[vestal wagon]

whats the heavy attack hotkey?

or keybind i mean

[verbal nebula]

And, hu, my best tips is get yourself an Odiac (secondary), play it with Attack speed and the Archstorm rune, and you'll do amazing AoE damage

[verbal nebula]

I can't remember what's the base hotkey, I changed it long ago 🙁

[vestal wagon]

is it the middle mouse button?

[verbal nebula]

possible

https://wiki.avakot.org/Archstorm

[full hearth]

Heavy attack is middle mouse by default yes

[verbal nebula]

The Archstorm rune is kinda of mandatory for magick weapons users ; it will generally double your damage output ; and does AoE so that'll realllly help you in packs of enemies, regardless of doing heavy attacks (especially when not doing heavy attacks but mostly spamming simple attacks with the attack speed buff when stationnary) ; but will fall off against big armored boss, so that's where you rely mostly on heavy attacks + headshots

[vestal wagon]

so, i just did the thing with ||orlick||, should i just explore or is there another thread to that quest

[verbal nebula]

quests are going to come to you

[vestal wagon]

gotcha

[zenith knoll]

i run hollowing on crowds actually

archstorm didnt seem to do as much damage to me

[scenic solar]

Because annoyingly normal blocking stops it from doing damage

So if the enemy is blocking, each lightning bolt will only do 1 damage

[naive solstice]

WHat is mark the colelctor i cant find him

[dusty kettle]

Ever fought a Nimrod before?

Or saw a ship thingy slowly stealing everything in its’ vicinity, maybe you heard that blasted woman called Mada?

[naive solstice]

yes

i defeated mada events like a couple of times mafia

[dusty kettle]

That’s the name of the activity

Hark, the Collector

[naive solstice]

ok

[dusty kettle]

It spawns randomly above one POI and stays there for some time

[naive solstice]

ok

@dusty kettle what is this for than

alwayus near the mark

[lucid terrace]

That's Thomas.

[smoky crater]

he's always watching you

not the player character, you.

[halcyon thicket]

Breaking the 4th wall for no reason

[dusty kettle]

That is the Discharged Nimrod Annihilator 3000

Not much to interact with, except maybe putting yourself or said Nimrod inside

[naive solstice]

this is where we are originally from?

[smoky crater]

non

[naive solstice]

whats the max fame and king of kith am now 3

[smoky crater]

5

[naive solstice]

kk

[celest ether]

1 question the rune the hollowing does it drop from wraith of wastes because ive runed like 50 time that boss and it didnt drop that rune

[smoky crater]

have you had Cogah active?

[sacred stratus]

Finaly!!!! I can play in soulframe yay!

[celest ether]

Didnt know ther is a hard mode ty for the info the elixir u make in nighthold?

[lament path]

It is the one made with agaric mushrooms and welvetwood sap

Good news, you do have a lot of agaric mushrooms after beating the boss 50 times in normal mode and a lot of practice now.

[celest ether]

I didnt know about that potion or mod ty for info and does it work for all bosses and does it work on organs and dungeons?

[smoky crater]

you do need to have Verminia at bond level 2 tho to make it

[smoky crater]

it's a "world wide effect" of sorts.

[lament path]

Generally everything gets scaled but only bosses drop the special new cogah only runes and amulets

[smoky crater]

tho it ends if you die or relog and then you'll need to use another cogah elixir

[celest ether]

Ty all helped alot

[lament path]

Level scales with every agaric boss you kill

[smoky crater]

not a huge level bump per kill but it does yeah

[lament path]

Potions drop less, abilities charge slower and enemies hit harder while being tankier

[sacred stratus]

Guys, before I enter the game, please tell me. Is the mage doing well in the game?

[smoky crater]

there's no "bad" options when it comes to gear really

but yes

[celest ether]

No i main mage

Execly a healer

Archer is best for now

[smoky crater]

well that wasn't what the question was about

[ripe perch]

what about mage dps? can you recommend a pure mage dps build?

or its just a support/healer?

[celest ether]

Odiac with the hollowing rune and staff with archstorm is ok

But fly blades with staff im testing much better because u can proc smite alot

Oscelda packt and wazzard armor

So u have a healer with dps

Perma abilities if u stand in water

[ripe perch]

actually i am kinda new. just i have paragon founder pack and its items... i killd that evil deer yet

[smoky crater]

-# god i love it when newbies get suggested "endgame" builds 👀

[ripe perch]

yeap kinda i need suggestions for early/mid game 😄

[smoky crater]

leveling up your weapons and pacts does both directly and indirectly increase your dps so that's something you should definitely do whether passively or actively

there are also Joineries which give small buffs to your weapons tho for that you need to have found the blacksmith ancestor and crafted enough items for her to be at level 2

you can also "Charm" animals via Q+LMB (if you're on M&KB) which gives you "Totems" that are small weapon type specific upgrades of sorts

tho as to which weapon type it'll be for is always random

[ripe perch]

ty for help ❤️ i saw magic gloves (i cant remember their names) is that good or should i use staff?

[smoky crater]

personal preference really imo

the magick gauntlets have higher attack speed but slightly lower damage

while the staff has slightly slower attack speed but higher damage

[ripe perch]

ah i see skyrim like builds are possible? semi assassin or warrior semi mage? or paladin like builds?

[sly escarp]

Kind of. You can do Hybrid Virtue builds, which allow you to equip more dynamic equipment options and gives you some of the benefit of each.

A Paladin/Spellsword would be a Spirit/Courage build, for example

[ripe perch]

for that should i use courge or spirit pact and i have to give my stats to another right?

[sly escarp]

Not exactly. Your Pact isn't virtue specific. They're not classes.

You'd want a Hybrid prisms that splits your Virtues/stats among the 2 you want to focus on

[ripe perch]

i can reset the stats later right?

[sly escarp]

Yes and no. You don't reset your stats, mostly because your stats are set by an item called a prism. Changing your prism reallocates your stats for you.

[ripe perch]

maybe im asking silly questions, but i just dont want to make mistakes i cant take back

[sly escarp]

Totally fair! If it helps, whatever starting gear you choose, you can get the rest later. It will just determine what you use for a while until you unlock more gear.

[ripe perch]

i bought paragon pack i gonna try all of them but mostly i am dps/mage player on mmo games

[sly escarp]

I'd advise picking one you enjoy the feel of though, as it may be 5 or more hours to get something new for a new account. So something you vibe with makes that more fun.

[ripe perch]

but probably i will play this game as solo

[sly escarp]

Oh, if you have Paragon you're more than set.

You have versions of all 3 starting pacts, plus some early-mid level weapons and armour

Just have fun trying out your combinations and vibing with the setting.

[ripe perch]

yday i was readin a letter on pact select screen and i clickd yes with a mistake 😄 thats why i bought a paragon

thank you for yourhelp. the game looks like a lot of fun ill probably try out all the possibilities 😄 and a last question

will there be ZVZ or PvP in the future?

[half talon]

There hasn’t been anything definitive at this time. That isn’t to say there will never be PVP in the future but it’s not the focus or a priority at the present time.

[wind ether]

can anyone advice me on what blessed joinery should i use to refore my lvl 30 skilter flyblades?

[ripe perch]

ty for answer

[smoky crater]

last few times PvP has come up as a question on streams they've just said "it's not in the plans at the moment"

[kind narwhal]

Hai

[hexed sleet]

Do Arkanics gain strength solely based on their own type of virtue? For example, the first Arkanic is influenced by courage—is it possible to enhance this with another virtue?

[smoky crater]

abilities only scale with their respective virtue nowadays

tho spirit lowers the cooldowns for abilities in general as its niche lil thing

[hexed sleet]

So it’s just spiritvirtue that affects the duration, is that right?

So does grace affect the range?

[smoky crater]

not how abilities work anymore

courage scales your courage ability in general, spirit your spirit ability, grace your grace ability

[hexed sleet]

Did you just say that the spirit affects the duration?

[smoky crater]

non

ability cooldowns

[hexed sleet]

so?

[smoky crater]

sooo what?

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[shut robin]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[hexed sleet]

For example, is the first talent influenced by spirit virtue? “duration”

[novel ivy]

No spirit doesn't effect duration. It effects cooldown and the spirit aligned arcanic for scaling

[hexed sleet]

The tests I've done say the exact opposite, but

[sly escarp]

Spirit affects ability cooldown and the scaling values of your 2 ability atm.

It previously did affect Duration but that was supposed to have been removed.

[hexed sleet]

For example, Tethren’s first ability is supposed to scale with Courage (its duration), but when I invest points into Spirit, it recharges faster.

[sly escarp]

That's correct

Spirit decreases the cooldown of your arcanics

Spirit should not be having any other effect on your Courage arcanic

It does not affect duration of any arcanic except your 2 arcanic

[verbal nebula]

What does Hollowing do that Archstorm doesn't ?

[zenith knoll]

me like big boom

haven't played archstorm in literal ages though so maybe it changed since but i remember it being a little ass in comparison

hollowing just lets you focus one target who then explodes everyone else in a yes-mile radius on death

[verbal nebula]

Well, according to the wiki ; Archstorm does the exact same except it does its damage on every hit, and not only on death

[zenith knoll]

yknow what let me boot up the game rq

[verbal nebula]

So the only single instance where Hollowing seems relevant to me is when using it on a secondary to tag enemies once before switching to another weapon, even another magick with Archstorm, to have a single AoE procc on death that may do a chain of explosion ; but then again, by the time you tag everyone, switch weapon and procc+pull smite again, you'd have dealt the same amount of AoE damage, or even more, just by attacking around with Archstorm

Hollowing does have one more Attack Totem though, but seems extremely lackluster

[sly escarp]

Hollowing does a LOT more damage

You can multi-tag the same character as well. If you get 4 hits in before the enemy dies, they explode for a LOT of damage, usually wiping the camp

[verbal nebula]

Hence why it seems you do a lot more damage, because you stack it until they die ; but doing the same amount of damage to kill the enemy himself seems more reliable to me

[sly escarp]

Oddly, no. The damage itself is much higher as well.

[zenith knoll]

let me record something real quick

what's a good crowded place hang on

[verbal nebula]

Does all the stacks translate to a single instance of damage, and thus, ignore more easily armor as it isn't a lot of different damage instances ?

[sly escarp]

Even if you only tag an enemy ONCE it does a HUGE amount of damage. The effects are similar between Archstorm and Hollowing, but Archstorm has a much smaller aoe radius and less damage in exchange for not needing a kill to proc

[sly escarp]

It does work like this, which helps somewhat, but also, the rune just does like 3 times as much damage per stack.

And has like 50-75% larger radius

[verbal nebula]

Both damage per tick are supposed to be 125

[sly escarp]

Not sure why then, but hollowing does do more damage. It's possible the damage type has some sort of unknown effect to bypass armor.

Oh, wait, the rune description says 125 damage

It may be wrong then

The entire effect of the weapon rune is different than the rune description

[dusky socket]

The unfortunate nature of a lot of the Runes currently

[zenith knoll]

hollowing

archstorm

ignore me almost dying trying to trigger the rune #orengall

another probably more convincing hollowing demo

and another archstorm, a bit botched but still acceptable

[knotty imp]

Doesn't hollowings' explosion stack based on how many times you hit a guy or something?

[zenith knoll]

yeah

the more you hit a target the harder the explosion hits on death

i definitely do NOT recall archstorm being that effective but i still think hollowing is better

[dusky socket]

Only situation it isn't good in is boss fights with no adds. Hoping the Rune update will also rework some of them so they can be effective across the board.

[zenith knoll]

oh i'm def using archstorm on single enemies ofc

[dusky socket]

Would really like to avoid the WF situation where you need a different MOD setup for every tileset

[zenith knoll]

the point was to prove which rune is better in crowd clearing

[dusky socket]

Makes sense

[jolly sedge]

Hollowing for sure xD

[sinful sigil]

Weapons using a type of virtues feels like stats bloat. No change except in number tweaks. Kinda moot.

[peak mulch]

Is P14 still set to release mid-April?

That would be ~ this week?

[dusky socket]

Mid April was what they said, but high chance it'll be closer to the end imo

[opaque karma]

Just want to say played the intro and first couple sections, loved all of that

The cooking is in display

[peak mulch]

This really has the opportunity to be one of my favorite games of all time

[stoic marten]

hi, idk if this is somewhere in the game and i missed it but do we know where to find the missions we have already completed i thought i was done but i keep finding more.

[peak mulch]

Should be in your Journal in the menu

[dusky socket]

There are also a few "mini-quests" you find around the map, that don't show in the journal. But you'll know because they aren't full quests with cutscenes and whatnot. Just two steps and you're done.

[stoic marten]

ok thank you @dusky socket and @peak mulch

[sacred stratus]

how i can go in?

[dusky socket]

The Banneret boss you killed behind you should have dropped a Bisulcam Fodder item

Then, you put it in the cannon thing to your right

It'll blow open the gate

[sacred stratus]

the network is unavailable👍

[empty fiber]

Have you found anything new about it? Or do you think checking the logs isn’t worth it because it won’t lead to anything?

[sinful scarab]

haven’t tried since, I’m not an expert at this kinda of things, but i think its worth looking at it, i will try again later,

we can’t see the name of the area but maybe we can see the name of an object that spawn in there

[ripe bone]

Cant you check the name of an area by looking at metadata of screenshots?

It should show tile and location

[sinful scarab]

best i can see there is the name of the instance i'm at and the coordinates, but everything else is encrypted

like this one, its alca's children enclave being called FeyHub and then my coordinates
SF/Levels/Procs/Hubs/FeyHubProc/DA.lp Z: /SF/Levels/Hubs/FeyHub P: 8.9, -3.3, 0.4 H:-3

[ripe bone]

Thats fairly descriptive, i know dungeon tiles have names too

What are you looking for specifically?

[sinful scarab]

arena in glades, the names appear only when i leave the dungeon not when entering

[ripe bone]

Maybe screenshot there and see what it tells you

[empty fiber]

Maybe find something related to the statue that triggers the script for the waves

[ripe bone]

Or are you looking for a way to detect arena when entering the dungeon? I did not fully understand

[empty fiber]

yes

looking for a way to detect whether the arena is in the dungeon or not, to save time and avoid having to run through the whole dungeon

[mental furnace]

According to Google, I can get the Starter Pacts from the factions at Rank 2. But I just got to Rank 2 for the Kith of Kings and I do not see Tethren, can anyone help me with my confusion?

[ripe bone]

You should already have tethren

[mental furnace]

I did not start with Kith of Kings

[ripe bone]

Then check at the faction you started at

It should be more than 2

[halcyon thicket]

rank 3

[ripe bone]

Each one sells the other two

[mental furnace]

I can't check now for a week.

[ripe bone]

You can switch anytime

[mental furnace]

I thought we had to wait a week?

[ripe bone]

Not anymore 🙂

[mental furnace]

Oh thank goodness.

[halcyon thicket]

if you just started, you'll need to purchase sacred shimmer and craft the other faction's talisman to gain access to them for the first time

[mental furnace]

Yes. I started Grace, got to faction 3, got shimmer, crafted medallion for Kith, got to rank 2, didn’t see Tethren.

[fathom river]

Whre is gone the with ?

[finite stone]

I would recommend not trusting google AI (I'm assuming this is where you got the info?) - just ask in here or check the wiki if you want the actual up to date info for soulframe!

Especially with it being updated so often, even if the AI isn't hallucinating, it's often a few months behind

[mental furnace]

Yeah that’s why I joined the Discord cuz google lied to me haha. 🤣

[finite stone]

Tethren is a rank 3 reward which you'll already see in the shop for your starter enclave (rose), or alca's children 😄

[mental furnace]

I see it now. For 12,500 favor

[finite stone]

imo the way it was before actually made more sense and felt more thematic. But I guess they went this way to give people earlier access to other playstyles

[mental furnace]

💀 thanks everyone.

[empty fiber]

How sure are you that Removing streamed layer: /SF/Levels/Procs/GladesofAndurin/GoAxDeadendGarrenRood/Scope is the arena?

[smoky crater]

i mean i'd say there's nothing else Garren Rood related in any of the other rooms than the arena one which technically also is the same, or a similar tile to the one where you fight Lady Deora and Garren Rood during Torment Stag

[peak mulch]

Want to confirm, there won’t be wipes going forward right?

[regal shadow]

no, there wont

[peak mulch]

Cool ty

[empty fiber]

Yes, you’re right that’s at least certain. I ran 4 passes, and DeadendGarrenRood only appears in the run with the arena. it doesn’t show up in the other 3 runs without the arena

[dusky pivot]

does anyone know if the founder pack weapons are ever going to be dropping as fragments in the game for us poor normal mortals?

[smoky crater]

99% of the stuff in founder packs will be grindable

[weary knoll]

Everything will be eventually obtainable

Just in what way they will be obtainable is unknown

[dusky pivot]

i would guess fragments later on when they add the ascension stuff to get wyrd pacts

[sinful scarab]

yes, except the paragon greatsword you have to get it from a founder iirc

[smoky crater]

ye

[dusky pivot]

hope they add trading sooner rather then later and something to dump dracs on, like weapon echanting or something would be cool

[smoky crater]

don't think we'll get trading until a good bit closer to full release

[dusky pivot]

enchanting for more customization more then just the runes for the big Umpf damage spike and the reforging to increase the weapon scaling. like adding more of some base stat or a chance for something to proc

[smoky crater]

god no we don't need anymore damage

[dusky pivot]

they are gonna fix the runes though to be usable charges instead of going god mode

[smoky crater]

doesn't matter

[finite stone]

We have enchanting already (runes and totems are both under the 'enchantments' system) - but we will be getting weapon upgrading at Tuvalkane in Preludes 15

[smoky crater]

we still do weeeelll enough damage for anything atm

[dusky pivot]

i mean more like when you make the custom weapons in warframe, something to sink dracs into like a custom weapon

[analog coral]

i entered the kith of kings faction area with a crafted medalion of mora after killing the spirit guard. but theres no npcs in here for some reason. i see other players standing in the place i imagine the faction rep is meant to be but theres no interaction option. anyone else experience this? is there a way to resolve it?

[smoky crater]

stand in front of the giant statue in the middle

[sinful scarab]

restarting the game fix most things

[smoky crater]

unless it's just a thing of not having stood in the correct position

[sinful scarab]

true

[analog coral]

thats what ive been doing but to no result unfortunately, like clipping with other players lol. no interaction prompt

[smoky crater]

tried just moving around in that spot and spamming interact?

[analog coral]

i will try as soon as i get back, i restarted and spawned on the east of the map with no fast travel tokens to spare lol

[empty fiber]

Is the arena the only thing with a "drop chance"?

I think I might be onto something

[smoky crater]

not really?

there's a lot of tiles that have a "chance" of spawning

as in almost every tile outside of the entrance and exit tiles afaik

[empty fiber]

I’ve now done 9 runs, 2 of them had the arena. In the logs you always find the following lines:

/SF/Levels/Procs/GladesofAndurin/GladesProcLevel has only one segment (no objectives will be placed)
/SF/Levels/Procs/GladesofAndurin/GladesProcLevel/SeCDYaxdWbdeiygQ.lp <-------------------

In all my runs with an arena, the .lp file names start with "Se", and all runs without an arena start with "Ke"

[analog coral]

spamming did indeed work thank you!

[empty fiber]

Maybe its just a coincidence

[sinful scarab]

i have a glade without arena and it start with Se , i have a glade with arena and it start with Ke

[empty fiber]

ok rejoined 6 times 4x Ke with 1 arena and 2x Se with 2 arenas

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[finite stone]

[empty fiber]

Okay, it really seems to just be coincidence that I get arenas more often with Se

[umbral light]

im kinda surprised DE SupportBot isn't KickBot

[dusky socket]

I checked a bunch of stuff in the EE file while in game to see if there's any differences in loaded content, so far haven't seen anything that sticks out. I might copy and compare docs in word and let the computer do the work haha

[wild steppe]

horse taming is trash now

[half talon]

Please be mindful of rule 8 if you do that.

[sinful scarab]

we’re checking the EE.log to try to find arena while it spawns at the beginning without needing to run the whole glades over and over, is that against the rules?

[half talon]

I didn’t check full context on that, just saw digging into files and sharing it. I don’t have a definitive answer to that specific question though.

[sinful scarab]

oh ok, you scared me there

i might have found the way though

[empty fiber]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shocked-drink-spit-iatwist-oZ38KlkvpZFQhe1WRb

the show us your discovery-face

[sinful scarab]

disgusting

[empty fiber]

[sinful scarab]

its:
Phys [Error]: Entity (/Layer256/Layer5/Layer8/Prefab7/Decoration7)
Phys [Error]: Entity (/Layer256/Layer5/Layer8/Prefab8/Decoration7)

however Layer5 is not always the same but the others are

do you still have your arena logs to check?

[knotty imp]

why must thou assault mine eyes with such foul provocations

[peak viper]

hi is there a way to restart the game

[smoky crater]

as in... reset progress?

no

[wild steppe]

make a new save

[empty fiber]

everything

[peak viper]

how where do i find it

[sinful scarab]

and?

am i right?

[wild steppe]

when you load your game it should say new or load just push new game

[empty fiber]

idk yet

[dark barn]

does it default to female?

[sinful scarab]

you can't unless you make a new account with its own invite

[empty fiber]

notepad doesnt found it with strg F

[smoky crater]

no ._.

[sinful scarab]

ignore layer 5, look for: /Layer8/Prefab7/Decoration7)

[wild steppe]

what you mean you cant i started all over on mine

[smoky crater]

sure you're talkin about the right game?

there is no "New game" or "Load game" options in this

there is no "menu" before you get into the game like that

[peak viper]

yea i didnt find anything like that when i connect it just starts the game

[sinful scarab]

Jim TRollin

[smoky crater]

lmao

[wild steppe]

no my bad im thought i was on a different discord

[smoky crater]

oh lol

[peak viper]

oh okay well thanks for awnsering

[wild steppe]

make a new account ill give you a new code i have 12 of them

[smoky crater]

but why do you want to start over?

[empty fiber]

U GOT IT

[sinful scarab]

[smoky crater]

considering you can 1. replay all the starting fables 2. get everything there is to get equipment wise, you're not locked into anything as long as you've crafted something else

[sinful scarab]

both Prefab7 and 8 are there right?

[empty fiber]

With 19 runs, there are 7 dungeons with arena, and when I search for /Layer8/Prefab7/Decoration7), there are exactly 7 matches in the logs.

[empty fiber]

tested only 7

and closed it after lmao

[sinful scarab]

is it gone forever?

[smoky crater]

[empty fiber]

ye

but i will test it now

[peak viper]

because i wanted to try the game i had a work to do so i rushed evreything to test gameplay and i didnt choose what i want at the start and i dont even know where i am or what is the story but i skiped just the first part so i think its okay

[smoky crater]

you can replay the first couple things

from your Journals "Fables" tab

[umbral light]

have you crafted any of the other pacts?

[zenith knoll]

update tomorrow #trust

[empty fiber]

After entering and leaving 13 times without hitting GoAxDeadendGarrenRood, I finally got a hit on /Layer8/Prefab7/Decoration7), and of course it had an arena. So it’s 100%. I also found 1 hit for Prefab8 at the very bottom of the entire logs, so I assume that also means 100% arena.

[sinful scarab]

i posted it in q and a https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1493747403424141402 i hope its ok with DE to do so

otherwise we're cooked

[fathom hatch]

guys i stuck at the waste bear mission how i solve this problem

i cant collect sap

[empty fiber]

cant collect the honey?

[fathom hatch]

yes

[empty fiber]

Try a different angle

[fathom hatch]

I don't have the SAP Collector item in my inventory. Where can I find it?

[sinful scarab]

did you do verminia questline? is she in your nightfold?

[fathom hatch]

yes i did it

[finite stone]

can you send a screenshot of where you are with your current objective?

[fathom hatch]

wait a sec

[sinful scarab]

idk then

[empty fiber]

If its wrong to look for more efficient ways to grind, then lock me up

We dont change any data or use any hacks or anything that interacts with the game. everything is fine, i think.

[sinful scarab]

true, kinda

[empty fiber]

If youre using Notepad++ you can make logs stream in real time without constantly switching tabs

[sinful scarab]

ohhh

[umbral light]

thank you, im still learning npp even though its my default notepad

[halcyon sky]

Y'all was blood removed from the game's combat? Checking on the game after like a year and I find that combat looks a lot different

[empty fiber]

someone want to grind arena?

[umbral light]

From what some users have told me the game used to have a lot darker tone than it does currently

[halcyon sky]

I mean, are we still not 'killing' the ode? It wasn't too bad before

Just spreading environment conservation with some help

[smoky crater]

Pretty sure blood is still there

Just that depending on where you hit the enemy it might be either black, or the expected dark red

[sinful scarab]

your character also bleed when hit, its blue blood

synod mention it

can’t remember his exact words….can someone remind me?

[sinful scarab]

posting the picture to be safe 😂

[vestal spruce]

Moment I got the basket wraths I enjoy throwin spells

also been spammin it but need 1 last fragment for the tempest tunic

[spare badge]

He might've been talking to Bayor.

[kind narwhal]

Do I fight a bear bear before I fight nimrod

[wise scroll]

just launched the game for the first time guys wish me luck im very excitied

[verbal nebula]

Smell the flowers

[wise scroll]

is it a bad idea to make the girl im customizing rn look like my girlfriend

[verbal nebula]

No it's not, the game is made to be pretty to look at... so go for it

[wise scroll]

oki :D

[dusky socket]

Just went through ToS and EULA, doesn't say anything about "exploits." Only in their Third-Party Software Policy does it mention "bans for altering game files, cheating and/or exploiting Soulframe", but we aren't using third party software so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wise scroll]

I killed that deer dude and it says i unlocked a new pact but i cant use it

[raw reef]

yea you gotta craft new pacts

[umbral light]

So in regards to pacts you only get 3 slots i believe so careful when collecting them

[wise scroll]

i got one from the stag boss

[umbral light]

There's several other pacts just be careful when collecting

Im hoping for a way to get more slots without arcs gets introduced

[deft socket]

A random thing popped into my head

With the rune rework coming up, a fully charged heavy attack is supposed to use a rune charge correct?

What if I just want to do a normal heavy attack?

[iron temple]

@deft socket Also the potential issues with overloading that key is worse for ranged weapons... 😅

[deft socket]

I like the idea of runes being charges we can activate

But at the same time, I don't wanna use one when I just wanna do a normal charged heavy which is usually enough in my case with the weapons I use

Hopefully they address that

[vagrant kayak]

Will have to see how it plays and if there's any balance changes for how often you get charges, on the devstream it looked like a lot more enemies dropped souls/charges on death so if they're plentiful accidental uses won't be too bad

Could also have a modifier to activate like Spectral Sight + Heavy instead of just Heavy if it turns out to be a problem

[deft socket]

I wouldn't mind a sight+heavy combo to activate it

[plucky junco]

soul mode + normal attack used to be the way to activate the special idol weapons, i think that made a lot of sense

in fact... if it were up to me, i'd do away with the whole "smite to charge" thing and just go back to filling up the meter when you hit stuff
but that's just me

[vagrant kayak]

More ways to gain charges would be good yes, could tie it to Runes specifically as well, hitting enemies for Everflame, getting headshots for Torrent, parries for Durglint, etc...

Bringing back Arcanic Flows in the world to gain charges

[full hearth]

Just bind rune activation to its own keypress tbh

Press 4, activate rune

[vagrant kayak]

It needs to work on controller as well

[knotty imp]

Arcanic flows would be cool, but I'd have them work similarly to those totem blessing things

Except they'd reduce cooldowns instead of boosting the virtues

[finite stone]

I really hope so as well. I love using heavy attacks, I don't want them all to have random vfx thrown onto them when I'm just trying to duel 😂 there's a thread here if you'd like to add to the feedback! https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1487168806857212037

[finite stone]

so if they're plentiful accidental uses won't be too bad

I think this is approaching it from only the angle of conserving charges, but there's other negatives besides just not being able to use your charges on the enemy you want to save them for.

If people are trying to enjoy their normal heavy attacks for fun, visual or vibe-based purposes, they cannot do this until they've 'got rid' of any rune charges. A move is essentially removed from the player's arsenal, rather than simply adding a move (which is what a separate keybind does)

And beyond the regular player, if people are trying to test damage numbers and interactions in combat, removing agency from their attacks makes this whole process more frustrating and less efficient, in a way that doesn't seem(?) to provide any positive benefit. At least I personally cannot see any reason to remove regular heavy attacks from our options if rune charges are present

[prisma kettle]

Hi, what pact would you say is the best for a rogue-like playstyle?(melee, agile sneaky type)

[vagrant kayak]

Well heavy attacks aren't being removed, the Rune effect (of Everflame at least) triggers on a charged heavy, it's an addition of damage it doesn't replace the charged heavy

[finite stone]

Exactly there's tons of combinations for controller folk to use! Just like Idol activation, it'd work perfectly fine. And then as Envoy says, for PC we can simply press 4. Makes a lot of sense since it's a 4th active ability after our arcanics

[vagrant kayak]

Sirin has a skill to go invisible and is generally a "sneaky" Pact

[finite stone]

Note that I said 'regular heavy attacks' - under the proposed system, these are completely inaccessible if you possess a rune charge. Instead of doing that, I propose that the player may simply choose to use a heavy attack, or to use a rune heavy. Those should be two different options and the player should get to decide what attack they want to use

[vagrant kayak]

They're not though? You could just do a normal heavy still

[prisma kettle]

Isn't it an arhcery focused/range pact? Or is it not a problem at all?

[vagrant kayak]

The weapon you get is a bow but the skills themselves aren't archery based

[finite stone]

How? In the devstream they showed that attempting a heavy attack would use the rune, it would no longer be a normal heavy. The only thing we don't know is if that limitation was unique to everflame etc, but right now all we can go off is the explicit information that was presented in that stream - essentially 'heavy attacks will use your rune'

[vagrant kayak]

It's charged heavy not normal heavy

You have to hold the button down to use the Rune (at least on dev)

[finite stone]

Ah apologies yes I've been completely misspeaking, I meant to be saying 'regular charged heavy' this whole time my bad 😅 that's the move that's inaccessible if you have a rune charge present

[verbal nebula]

Sirin's spells cast have archer animations, but you can still play the Pact with swords and daggers, doesn't change a thing. Also, I like the Orengall pact for Grace builds too ; it has a sneaky ability to do finisher (transform yourself into a wolf with increase movespeed and stealth) ; you can buff yourself and your allies with more Grace (so more stealth/headshot/finisher damage) and you can summons Spirit Wolves if you need some tanking/distraction

[vagrant kayak]

OK but even then it's not inaccessible you're still doing a charged heavy, it just had the Rune effect of fire damage on top

[finite stone]

A regular charged heavy, that just uses your weapon in a neat and normal way, is sadly removed from the player's moveset if they have a rune charge present (at least under the current system we saw on dev)

A big magical attack with vfx and additional damage/other rune mechanics is not the same move, from either a gameplay or a visual/roleplaying perspective

[vagrant kayak]

I wouldn't say the exact same animation with extra SFX and damage is "removing" it personally

[verbal nebula]

It's like saying they removed Smite by adding Runes effect on Smite now

[vagrant kayak]

At least on the devstream it's not a completely different move, it's the normal charged heavy but with a fire effect on top

I understand the argument of "What if I want to do a charged heavy and not use a Rune charge" but I wouldn't phrase it as "I can no longer do charged heavies if I have a Rune"

[finite stone]

I get that maybe it's less important to some people to be able to maintain a specific moveset, and that's fine. But if you're trying to test heavy attack damage mechanics, you cannot access that attack until you dispense of rune charges, whereas it'd be far more logical for the player to be able to choose - of their own volition - which attack to carry out. Right now the system removes player choice.

From the roleplayer's perspective, or one trying to capture screenshots/footage, massive flames appearing around your attack when you just want to charge a heavy attack is indeed an entirely different move to a simple strike with your blade (at least in my opinion as someone who likes to get immersed and to enjoy soulframe's more focused, duelling-style combat versus warframe's vfx bonanza!)

[verbal nebula]

Then unequip your rune 👍 🤷

[finite stone]

Then you've just removed runes from the player's moveset? You're introducing the same problem in the opposite direction

[verbal nebula]

If your point is to try to do footage of dueling style combat, then casting spells and using runes flame magic isn't really on topic

[frigid agate]

Yeah i don’t like them tying rune charges to heavy attacks, i don’t spam HA but i use them to break an enemy’s guard and would prefer the choice of using a charge to be tied to a specific key activation.

[verbal nebula]

You can also NOT pull smite and stock charges of your runes so you don't have rune activation on charged heavy attack

[finite stone]

The point is to allow the player to fight how they want to fight.

Why would you want fewer moves, rather than simply adding runes as an option?

The player should be able to choose to do a charged heavy, or choose to use a rune attack. There is no benefit to removing player choice (unless you see a benefit to that restriction that I'm missing?)

[finite stone]

This just removes runes from the player's moveset though? Why do that when you can just let the player choose which attack to perform

[verbal nebula]

There are benefits ; first it removes a unnecessary combo of soul-sight+pull smite to trigger the rune in the middle of the combat, then it add more incentives to use charged heavy attack which probably a lot less players than you think are actually using, giving it an even more wooompf effect when the slowest but strongest attack in your move set is used.

The only single downside of this change is that maybe an extremely small subset of player that actually spam charged heavy attacks as their main damaging tool will have to adjust their playstyle. But it's okay because that's still an alpha and thing are changing right and left.

[finite stone]

A combo would only be needed for players choosing to use a controller/console, I think most are happy with the fact that they need to use combos when they're choosing to use a more restricted input method. For KBM you'd simply press 4 (or whatever you choose to bind it to).

The combo that used to be used for Idol activation is currently unused, and it worked perfectly fine before (I think it was both triggers or something like that? So you don't have to incorporate spectral sight into it if you don't want to)

Charged heavy attacks are fun and strong on their own, I don't believe the player needs more incentive to use that input necessarily - and for many this wouldn't feel like incentive but just their attacks being messed with, when all they want to do is use their weapon but they can't because they happen to have a charge.

The only single downside of this change is that maybe an extremely small subset of player that actually spam charged heavy attacks as their main damaging tool will have to adjust their playstyle

There are other downsides;

• Those who don't spam charged heavies, but wish to sometimes use regular charged heavies in combat, will no longer have the freedom or agency to do so if they have rune charges
• Any player who utilises charged heavies as part of their playstyle, even if they're not spamming them, will have no agency over whether they conserve rune charges whilst fighting a group of smaller mobs on the approach to a larger mob
• If people are trying to enjoy their normal heavy attacks for fun, visual, roleplaying or vibe-based purposes, they cannot do this until they've 'got rid' of any rune charges
• If people are trying to test damage numbers and interactions in combat, removing agency from their attacks makes this whole process frustrating and less efficient for them in a way that is easily avoided by simply having runes be their own input, and charged heavy attacks be their own input

[fallow arch]

oops all tennokai

[verbal nebula]

You say it yourself : the only single instances where you wouldn't want to trigger your rune while doing a charged heavy attack is only for footage, testing, or fun ; and in all those instances, you could have had removed your equipped rune or your rune charges or avoided charging it, prior to that, as you can plan to just fool around.

In most gameplay loops, you want to trigger your rune most of the time ; the other instance when you wouldn't, will be when will prepare for a boss, which will be a new form of strategy that will be created with p14 to stock charges before a boss fight and use them with a charged heavy attack to trigger your rune without requiring to smite beforehand. But by planning this strategy, it's normal to have a weaker fight while stocking strength for the incoming boss encounter, and it's not like you will ever be chaining bosses one after the other and not find ways to resplenish your stock of rune charges in between.

[finite stone]

in all those instances, you could have had removed your equipped rune or your rune charges or avoided charging it

I don't think this applies to the general player wanting to have fun, or roleplay, or simply have choice over what move they perform with their own weapon.

Specifically for footage/testing, sure, they could completely unequip their rune so that they can use normal charged heavies at will - but why force that? When you can simply have runes be their own input, and charged heavy attacks be their own input?

Regarding the charge stocking, are you implying that the strategy would be to purposefully avoid using charged heavy attacks during combat so that you can conserve runes for incoming bosses? If so, yes I agree that will probably become the strat - but imo (and this is absolutely just my opinion, maybe you feel different) that doesn't sound fun or enjoyable.

It's nice to mix up your combat, to dodge and parry, to time different attacks, to mesh fluidly between lights and heavies and charged heavies. If your only way of not using a rune prematurely is to remove one of those weapon attacks from the playbook, that doesn't feel to me like it's adding fun - just that it's removing one small piece of the fun

[scenic solar]

Also the female armors are arguably a lot more aesthetically pleasing than the male armors

[dusky socket]

Although, being heavily french/english renaissance inspired, it makes some sense that males would have what we consider "female-esque" attire XD

[vestal spruce]

I gotta work, someone save me

[half talon]

I would but unfortunately… I gotta work too

[vestal spruce]

Only thing to keep me going is learning how to make Honey syrup for my ginseng green tea

An I'ma man who hates tea

[narrow condor]

Im gonna go back playing when there's assasin's creed type wall climbing and parkour alrdy

[smoky crater]

Dont think that we'll ever really have anythin like that

Basic mantling yes but not like parkour

[sacred stratus]

guys where i can find all pieces of this armor?

[vagrant kayak]

Drops from the Vadagar Stag, a version of the Torment Stag that can spawn at night in corrupt zones or as the end of 3 star Votives

[sacred stratus]

damn...

And another question: my character started walking in the open world, and before that he was running. What should I do?

[finite stone]

Hmm sounds like it could be a bug! While a bunch of us really want a walk toggle, that's not a feature yet (except for the automatic walkspeed reduction in nightfold/hubs) - maybe the game is applying that speed reduction by mistake, a relog could fix it?

[vagrant kayak]

Try hitting G?

If that doesn't fix it a relog almost certainly will

[sacred stratus]

relog helped👍

[finite stone]

There's stag like Howl said but you can also get this set from the Collector, which is a less focused drop pool but great to farm if you need multiple things! It's once every 6hrs so worth a shot

[empty fiber]

If I craft a level 30 weapon new, is it still level 30 or do i have to level it up again

[finite stone]

Btw is it just 3 star for stag tales? I remember recently you could get them from 2 stars as well, just want to make sure it's up to date

[sacred stratus]

Overall, the game is really cool, but I don't understand much yet. I started with an archer and now I'm running around like this. How can I get new skills?

[finite stone]

Levelling is per specific item, so if you craft a second copy of the same sword, that second one would be rank 0

Or if you mean reforging with a blessed, yes that resets its rank to 0 to be levelled again

[sacred stratus]

Oh yeah, is there fast travel in the game?

[finite stone]

Hmm it depends what you mean by skills! The three active abilities come from collecting different Pacts, which you can see how to obtain on their relevant pages via that link. Then there's also Runes, which are a type of ability/effect you apply directly to your weapon.

[finite stone]

Yep! You'll need to complete the Waste Bear fable first to unlock it, more info on the Fast Travel page

[sacred stratus]

I'm a little tired of running back and forth across the map

Is fasttravel paid?!

[finite stone]

Not paid as in microtransations no, but it uses a resource that grows after completing Waste Bear

(it's probably worth mentioning that mounts are intended to release later this year, and will be showcased more at TennoCon in July - those will make traversal feel much, much better and faster )

[vagrant kayak]

Could be a T2 end as well, not played in a little while

[sacred stratus]

Well, I already fought the bear. So, one tp uses up a resource that needs time to mature???

[finite stone]

Ah np ty I'll keep an eye out anyway 😄

[finite stone]

Ah nice! That's right yes, you get 1-3 (random) every 12hrs

[sacred stratus]

[nova yew]

Werewolf pact wen?

[half talon]

Hmm maybe Wyld Orengall pact. In the future.

[cyan ruin]

im running hand of mora and purity along with molten mora. is it good or should i swap molten for triune?

[vestal spruce]

I'm still irked that I'd not gotten the last fragment for the tempest chassis armor

[sacred stratus]

bossfight hell yeah

[dusky socket]

Molten is best here, as the couple extra points of Spirit/Grace won't do much for you.

Personally, I would use Arbearer's since you're going full Courage dump and Greatsword, which will give you more physical and stagger armor.

[proper crystal]

mendicant is actually slightly higher physical iirc, but like half the stability

nvm, i thought the base was higher than it is

yeah arbearer wins out

[dusky socket]

You're half right, actually, because it's the same physical armor with courage dump. But yeah, the stagger is big if using heavy melee weapons

[plush needle]

uh, for you guys his name is arbearer? does it have any cool meaning? in my language his name is "arburso" which is pretty cool, because its "arbusto" (bush) + "urso" (bear)

[mellow drum]

Is there a way to prevent the captured animal cage from getting sucked up by the Collector during the event? I've tried shooting it like I do the boxes, but it's not coming back down. Do I just need to do the event faster in order to get the key?

[dusky socket]

The only English connection we use regularly enough is "arbor" which is lattice designed to support vines.

[dusky socket]

The animal cage during Collector is a little bonus gimmick. If you do a "destroy the Ode'n Bisulcam" tale nearby, collect the Thunderstone, don't destroy the Bisulcam, you can then put the Thunderstone in the animal cage and it will blow the Collector up. If you don't kill all the pre-adds before the cage gets sucked up, it will finish the event without spawning Nimrod.

[plush needle]

huh, makes sense enought i think, pretty cool

hi was such a cooler boss than the stag, we can see a clear upgrade in the development, lol

[dusky socket]

I just wish we could do that exact fight again in the Neath'uns like a standard boss

Vadagar Bear is so weak, and glitchy lol

[plush needle]

ye

he does not have the teleport in the "doors" the waste bear has too

[dusky socket]

And knowing exactly where he will stomp makes the harder difficulty manageable, as well as the more consistent special attacks, versus Vadager Bear doesn't even use them if hit with stagger enough

[plush needle]

arrow hail killing him in less than 5sec while he is freezed by slow totem

i actually skiped both his "mashing" phases because he died too fast

[dusky socket]

Or you can just heavy attack with magick from range before it even spawns XD

[dusky socket]

Ooh, but another word that nobody knows even though it's still the proper word for the profession, is Arborist, which is someone that plants, cares for and cuts trees, so basically, a "someone who cares for the trees". I'm sure that's where DE got the inspiration.

[umbral light]

Voruna pact?

[plush needle]

both look good enought tbh

but good to know they kept it for both translations

[proper crater]

His name is Bromius and he is the arbearer lol

[plush needle]

i'm not a english native, so it means nothing for me

[halcyon thicket]

bush bear

[cyan ruin]

ok thanks havent got his set yet ill keep that in mind

[proper crystal]

does stagger resist work the same as the other defenses or does it just add to the pool

[dusky socket]

It works the same. Stagger DMG value - stagger armor value = stagger dealt. Not sure if/how much stagger armor value affects the amount of stagger you can take, like a stagger pool

[proper crystal]

thankies

[zenith knoll]

update today? 👀 👀 👀

[smoky crater]

yesn't

[dusky socket]

Most definitely almost maybe certainly 100% kinda for sure unknown

[zenith knoll]

be still my heart

[peak mulch]

Today is the most mid April we can get

Wonder if it’s a P14 drop day

[undone prawn]

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[sinful scarab]

correction: he’s under every entrance except the one you need to stand on two pressure plates to open, west of Creedance High

[halcyon thicket]

so you can just walk out without the animation playing?

[sinful scarab]

yes

he won’t bother you

[brazen sparrow]

when that dungeon was still new, you could easily smuggle out the fenn's igne mora as long as it still had charge. Not quite the same as the infinite igne mora from yonks back, but a neato second prize

[sinful scarab]

there’s still an infinite igne mora right now

[halcyon thicket]

it's just regular igne mora with infinite everflame

[smoky crater]

aka Ignus Wroth

to this day i wonder if that was an intentional play on Ignis Wraith...

[halcyon thicket]

i mean

[brazen sparrow]

i bet placeholder gone wrong.. but probably yes

[smoky crater]

because it would make sense

[halcyon thicket]

highly likely lol

[finite stone]

it might've been like this lmao

[zenith knoll]

we have the wazzard, we have the wizard

eventually we'll get a willard

[normal sail]

and then the lillard

https://tenor.com/view/stu-macher-stu-scream-movie-matthew-lillard-scream-gif-16334961

[half talon]

NGL that would be hilarious

[slow copper]

any standing farming tips?

[placid condor]

If you can handle the enemy levels
• Do sparrow tales at the tree in the NE corner of the map.
• Do the Tier 3 ones that say "slay the Banneret in the [DUNGEON]"
• Log off and back of to "refresh" the tales to keep doing Tier 3 over and over
• If you get the "Mock nor Moan" either skip it OR you have to go through the whole dungeon to find all 3x Moaners BEFORE you can destroy them or they will respawn.
• Max daily cap is 16k
• Enclave Favours can get around that daily cap.

[slow copper]

thank you !!

[placid condor]

Those Banneret ones in the NE corner give 2900 per completion

[slow copper]

I played a little bit of soulframe a year ago and just got back into it a week ago so you can imagine it's a lot LOL

[slow copper]

oh yum!

[placid condor]

Also, I'd recommend maxing out one faction before changing factions and only grabbing the prisms for 1 standing each!

[slow copper]

ty! that's what I'm going for atm anyways, wish I played more when I first started hah

[placid condor]

That way you can just get to rank 5 without the "dip" from grabbing the Sacred Shimmer as that sets you back 15k standing.

[half talon]

The changes that happened in November were huge, so that's absolutely valid Tons to take in now.

[gray sand]

is this game gonna add more multiplayer stuff?

anyone know?

[half talon]

As in, more people per party? Or more multiplayer options?

[gray sand]

seeing other people in the world or pvp arena

[halcyon thicket]

First one is planned

Second isn't

[gray sand]

how is it going to work with multiple people in the same world? just visual and nothing else?

[halcyon thicket]

I'm not sure, game uses peer to peer connection so idk how it's gonna be

[gray sand]

this is too much of a singleplayer game

[placid condor]

I would agree. Whatever plans they have, as not to break people connections or force them to play with people they don't want to, if they open up the world to multiplayer instances I could see it being like Destiny patrols where you can find people if you seek them out or an even atracts them but otherwise you can just play on your own.

That's not me saying what's going to happen, but the team seems to like that players can "do their own thing" without "randoms" messing that plan up

[gray sand]

multiplayer events would be cool.

[hexed spoke]

Well to be fair
As much as that would be fun. If you are aware of the devs, this is how they usually do things

[oblique badge]

Hmm, wf hub like thing? Where theres a ton of people in one place but like max 4 in the open world?

[halcyon thicket]

that's already a thing

[oblique badge]

Ah

I haven't played in a while

[half talon]

They will be adding essentially where players can see other players at Revival stones, but it hasn't been implemented yet

[halcyon thicket]

i think a good idea is to have a specific content island for example thats multiplayer, where you can see others and matchmake certain activities

[smoky haven]

i kinda stopped playing the game and now i just collected the fast travel seeds. looking foward to the next content release

[obsidian prairie]

So I've been playing for a few days now and am getting to the point where I want to investigate some of the other pacts/classes. I've got a couple pact fragments that I still need to get mats for but it seems like the biggest hurdle after that is getting prisms that correspond with pacts as well. Am I right to think that if you want to effectively try a new pact, you should also get a corresponding prism for it as well?

[finite stone]

No I think your prism is more determined by what weapons and armour you want to use (you have to use the right prism to attune to their requirements)

they do interact with pacts, because they'll scale the arcanics and spirit will improve cooldowns, but reaching your equipment requirements is typically higher priority

[obsidian prairie]

I'm not sure I completely follow, I haven't crafted any main weapons yet but I don't see equipment reqs on the crafting page.

I've currently got the Iridis Shaman prism that's specced heavily into Spirit and the Oscelda pact. If I want to change to try out an archer/rogue build, what's the best path to that?

Okay, I just found the equipment reqs. I guess those aren't available to see in the crafting area

[finite stone]

Yeah it's a little weird - requirements are shown on the attunement line of the weapon's tooltip once it's owned, but not in its tooltip on the crafting screen haha

[finite stone]

If you want to create an archer/rogue, you'd be going with a bow in your primary slot, and then either a dagger or dual swords would fit the vibe for your secondary

There's a few Bows to choose from, they all scale with some amount of grace and then either spirit or courage if they're dual scaling ones. For example the newest bow, Avex (Ode compound bow) scales with grace and courage

Then if you wanted your secondary to be dual swords (Clivers), that'd actually be a great choice because it's the same scaling as Avex (grace and courage again)

Alternatively, you could use Juniper bow (grace and spirit) with Witan dagger (also grace and spirit). etc etc

Your pact is a separate thing, you get to enjoy any pact you want, but for a rogue theme sirin is the one that fits the bill with its invisibility and pickpocketing etc

[visual radish]

Wonder if they will give orengalls 3rd ability the same treatment as duelo where it increases your highest virtue

[obsidian prairie]

I appreciate it, but that seems like I'll be really underpowered without more points in Grace/Courage. What most influences your virtues then? Your pact?

[visual radish]

Why would you want courage on a rogue archetype?

[halcyon thicket]

you know im starting to think that the new pact buffing ur highest virtue isnt that helpful

[finite stone]

You would be yes, so early game you'd probably want to use a spirit weapon for a bit until you can get more virtue points and more prisms

Other than the prism which distributes your virtue points, your virtues are also influenced by the things listed here on https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtues:

[finite stone]

Because they mentioned wanting to use bows and I mentioned that Avex is new and cool

and it scales with grace and courage

[obsidian prairie]

@visual radish I was speaking more generally in trying to better understand how things all work together.
@finite stone that makes sense. So ultimately if I wanted to have options to switch between warrior/rogue/mage archetypes, you'd want to build a loadout to include arcs, weapons, and prisms to better complement each archetype's stengths

[visual radish]

Also has it been mentioned yet you can get the other 2 starter prisms as soon as you unlock factions?

[smoky crater]

you don't even need to unlock the factions, just go inside the enclave and talk to the leader

[obsidian prairie]

I had just seen that looking through the wiki and was kinda what prompted me trying to understand things a bit better

[finite stone]

arcs are the premium currency I think you might've meant pacts there? but tbh I'd say pacts are so freestyle you don't even need to match it to the archetype you're aiming for. The joy of Soulframe's building is that you get to craft your own character, you can be a tanky warrior using the oscelda pact and it just works

Outside of pacts, yes you will need your prism to complement the requirements of your weapon and sidearm (and also armour but imo defense is less important than damage)

[smoky crater]

as in you don't need the medallions for the factions

[obsidian prairie]

And yeah, I meant pacts.

[visual radish]

One way i'd put it is
Prisms do the bulk distribution of virtues and then you do granular adjustments with talismans and the virtue nodes of the pact arts skilltrees

Also the virtue nodes on the pact arts are the same on all pacts

[obsidian prairie]

Gotcha, that all makes a lot more sense now. I appreciate the clarity! It's also neat to see a more freeform class/skill system

[visual radish]

Oh and on a relayed note currently exploration counts for the bulk of account xp

[placid condor]

I just imagined a Rogue in a D&D party being the worst Rogue ever and was like "I just need the extra HP because I get caught a lot..." 🤣

[visual radish]

Imo the funniest rogue idea was the charisma rogue who used intimidation instead of stealth

[placid condor]

YES

[novel sky]

I haven't played in a while, and it seems the virtue system (as well as basically everything else) got reworked. How do I make builds work properly, and how do I upgrade them?

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gameplay
https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtue_Prisms