gameplay-discussion

[vagrant kayak]

One thing you could try just to have more information, Warframe is Digital Extremes' other game, running on the same engine, if he can boot Warframe successfully that will likely help the Support team identify the issue

Another thing just off the top of my head, try swapping to/from DirectX 11/12 in the launcher settings

[steep solstice]

no they arent

[steep solstice]

i will suggest this

[smoky haven]

finally...

[steep solstice]

he said he did in the past but hasnt tried to play it since switching some pc specs so currently unknown

[vagrant kayak]

Congrats!

[smoky haven]

ty. took a while

[short anvil]

As an alca child can I switch to kith of kings ?

Or access their weapons n stuff i wanna unlock the priklies (kunai)

[smoky crater]

after you've crafted Mora's Medallion (talisman) yes

to switching ^

[short anvil]

Copy thnx

[placid condor]

Random question for all of the long-time/fully MR17/18 players:
What would you say is the "pinacle" challenge right now in the game? I see people occasionally discuss the difficulty of Cogah when enemies/bosses are level 85-100+.

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[placid condor]

I appreciate that confirmation/answer? lol

[halcyon thicket]

The only thing resembling a challenge

[smoky haven]

pinnacle challenge is getting these damn pieces of gear...

[halcyon thicket]

Or you can purposely nerf urself

No armor worst weapons

[placid condor]

that's fair but I guess I mean actual activity wise lol

[placid condor]

That won't work for what I'm doing lol

[smoky haven]

i still need 2 more pieces of wazzard's trunks and it only drops from a specific organ apparently

[halcyon thicket]

Then yeah long cogah session

Also good drac farm

[placid condor]

Thats fair lol I just go undercity

[halcyon thicket]

100k dracs per siege past a certain enemy level

[placid condor]

DAMMMMMN

[halcyon thicket]

And that itself goes up with enemy level

At some point I'd get 250k a siege

[placid condor]

That's crazy

[smoky haven]

their level increases the longer you stay in cogah?

[halcyon thicket]

Enemy level increases with each cogah agari defeated

[smoky haven]

ahhh okay

[twilit escarp]

Each boss you kill ups the lvl of world mobs

[halcyon thicket]

I think it's 4-5 per boss

Haven't done it in a while cuz, well no reason rly

[smoky haven]

is the XP good aswell?

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

Diminishing returns past lvl70

[safe canopy]

will there be or is any build guides for p13?

[halcyon thicket]

Yeah on YouTube

[smoky haven]

so if i want to level my weapons and class, i can just enter cogah and kill stuff around the map?

[halcyon thicket]

Check saralovesarchery

[halcyon thicket]

A viable option yes

[safe canopy]

is the bear build from her still working?

[halcyon thicket]

Which one

[safe canopy]

i think the newest one

[halcyon thicket]

Yes it does

[vital juniper]

How do I download it to my MacBook

[halcyon thicket]

Soulframe.com game > download

[vital juniper]

I done that and it ask about a launcher

[spare badge]

You have to run the installer and tell it where to install to.

[vagrant kayak]

I don't know if Soulframe works on Mac at the moment?

You may want to check this thread https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1466519087344652554

[vital juniper]

Best bet is to use different laptop huh

[smoky crater]

have heard some gettin it to work but i don't think it's like... "launch gaem, it work". could also be wrong

[vagrant kayak]

A Windows machine would be the simplest way to play, though I know Envoys have run the game on Linux and on Steam Deck

[safe canopy]

microslop for the win

[spare badge]

best would not to use a laptop. Desktops tend to have twice the power for similar price.

[fading gale]

Hey guys, where I can get the dewellion sword?

[finite stone]

You can see the drop sources on https://wiki.avakot.org/Dewelion:

I'd recommend farming Kearnhold, then Vella/Hewyl every 30mins til Kearnhold regens

can't go wrong with the occasional collector though especially if you need other loot

[fading gale]

Thanks. ❤️

[pliant obsidian]

What time is the reset? Like in Warframe, which is at 8 PM Canadian time.

[spare badge]

Canada has the same timezones the US has.

[final rock]

which Canadian time?

[night bolt]

8pm canadian time ahaaa we have 6 timezones in canada

[pliant obsidian]

IDK

[finite stone]

Midnight UTC

[spare badge]

What's that in real times?

[finite stone]

It doesn't get realer than Japan, so I'm going to say 9AM

[short anvil]

Is fast traveling between trees not a thing anymore?

[finite stone]

It's been a thing since P12, and you can also fast travel to enclaves. The details are on https://wiki.avakot.org/Fast_Travel

[short anvil]

Thnx n we didn't need seeds before lol but bet and is glades endless still a thing @finite stone

[finite stone]

Yes you did - you have always needed a wevetseed to fast travel (with the exception of the Eternium bug/exploit). And no, endless was removed and replaced with https://wiki.avakot.org/Arena

[visual radish]

Yeah seeds were always needed

Fast travel literally launched with them

The seeds are literally part of the animation

[short anvil]

Idk y but I feel like I never needed seeds in beginning but whatever lol so arena it is for farming xp?

[safe canopy]

aside from mounts will there be a pact or something to be faster than anyone else?

[finite stone]

Really hope not, it'd suck to have something so important as your literal movement speed fall behind just because you want to use a pact you find fun / fits your character

[safe canopy]

Not saying specific character. More like speed buff for team.
But it would also be okay to see some of armor pros and cons too

[final rock]

Orengal 1 technically

[honest saffron]

How do I unlock the foggy spaces of the map?

[visual radish]

Find the big trees and unstab them

[wooden dew]

what do i do?

[finite stone]

You have one of the four notes, now you need to find the other three nearby

[wooden dew]

OOOOOOOH okay thank you

[rare pagoda]

I drank the Cogah by accident and the sky turned evil, I'm scared and idk what to do 😵‍💫

[spare badge]

Kill bosses for rewards or die.

[steep solstice]

where can i find keys?
NOT gameplay keys
my current quest is to access the crypt of the circade but i do not know where i can find a key to open it, there isnt one in the area

[finite stone]

Crypt keys usually drop (or dropped?) from a whole bunch of elite enemies, like sinecure knights, but I think they got either bugged or heavily nerfed with P13. Are you doing a sparrow's tale that ends with crypt? That should have a graverobber objective before the crypt, which gives you a key

[steep solstice]

i am, and it did, but the quest order was

intercept message
kill to get a key OR go to a shop
i had gone to the shop, (because i needed other resources too, two birds) there wasnt a key in it
i thought that when i got to the crypt they'd make an enemy drop one, but it didnt

[finite stone]

oh noooo that's so bad hahaha, I didn't know that could happen 😂

it's a long shot but you might be able to go to the key spot, where the objective was that you didn't do, and the key knight will still be there?

[steep solstice]

i fear im gonna just have to cancel the tale

[finite stone]

this is backup yeah, but worth trying the spot I think

[steep solstice]

tried that, they're all dead and got nothing

[rare pagoda]

I tried to get in the circade just now too and i can't find a key anywhere. Cleared out the area already...

I'm not in a tale though

[steep solstice]

youd really think theyd have the key locked behind a puzzle in the area or something so you can always get in

[rare pagoda]

Aw man I was hoping that was the case 💀

[finite stone]

yeah that'd be good! especially since it's not just a tale place, it's the place for the whole circade content

I get them wanting to make crypt keys rarer, maybe they're meant to come from somewhere outside of tales still and it's just bugged... kind of unsure rn

[spare badge]

They moved crypt keys to bannerettes, I think.

[steep solstice]

like i'd make it so crypt keys were just a different key so you wouldnt be able to stack them for anything but the crypt, prevent being able to just re-do the puzzle over and over so you can open other things

oh well, guess i have to cancel the tale

[spare badge]

That's how they already are.

[steep solstice]

WAIT

I HAVE A CRYPT KEY IN MY INVENTORY ITS JUST NOT OPENING THE CRYPT

this some bulllllll

[finite stone]

bro got a cursed copy of soulframe 😭

[spare badge]

You're going ot the crypt entrance, right?

And not to an exit?

[steep solstice]

im where the quest marker has told me to go
i showed up, killed a bunch of the branch guys with souls in them that resurrect if you dont smite the soul, approached a stone casket with a key icon on it that isnt opening

so i presume thats the entrance

[spare badge]

Ok. Then get screenshots with f6 and bug report it.

[steep solstice]

i was just about to record it with obs

[spare badge]

F6 screenshots have metadata that DE can use.

Wouldn't hurt to also have video.

[steep solstice]

before i send it off i am correct in assuming i should be able to open this based on the video right

[finite stone]

Absolutely, that's a crypt entrance and you indeed have a crypt key! Looks like a bug to me

[steep solstice]

tragic the kith of kings is gonna be so mad at me

[normal sail]

i know regular chest keys dont open locked chests/cages if they're tied to a tale, i wonder if the crypt keys also get the same flag added to them to where you need the key from the previous quest step to access it

[steep solstice]

i could see that being the case, if it is the bug report would be about how the shop i went to didnt have a key for purchase and instantly locked me out of getting one
either way, is there an ingame bug report or is it only external

[normal sail]

-# (which imho DE should maybe remove that flag so i can stop having 40+ keys baking in my inventory)

[spare badge]

Yeah. You've got the key, but the entrance is telling you you don't. That's a bug.

[normal sail]

long shot, but have we tried a relog, JIC?

[steep solstice]

was worried that'd cancel the tale, does it?

[normal sail]

no, tales persist after logging out

[steep solstice]

ill restart then

[normal sail]

but if you close the game and relaunch the ee log gets reset

[steep solstice]

ah
well thats what i just did
oh well

[spare badge]

If it did, the tale's bugged, anyhow.

[steep solstice]

yeah not like i can progress anyways

[normal sail]

yeah either way its still halting intended gameplay

[normal sail]

was just a thought that maybe a relog would "reset" the flag for the key/tomb and allow progression

[steep solstice]

eyyy reloging fixed it

im in the crypt now

and it used up the key i had in the video, given that i didnt get the key during the quest (as far as im aware) it seems maybe relogging actually wipes the tag on it? i dunno

[normal sail]

woo! i'd still log it in #1438224825113120788 for any future envoys
and so DE can see it and surmise a solution so it doesnt happen again

[steep solstice]

you got it

[spare badge]

I know. We were just saying that if relogging did cause a broken fable to abandon, it's not like that'd be a big loss.

It's a bit like if hitting electronics that isn't working breaks the electronics. It's not working in the first place, so might as well try.

[normal sail]

good ol percussive maintenance

[spare badge]

Surprisingly effective. Occasionally, just threatening or cussing the thing will make it work. Othe times, it just need a whack or 3.

[normal sail]

even a menacing glare has worked in my experience

[simple prism]

What do they mean by removing fey pact xp?

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Fey_(Pact)

Those of us who ranked it up before it got removed have more XP than those who got in after it was removed. DE's fixing that.

[simple prism]

Oh so it is/was a main pact before the 3 starters? I got in when paragon founders dropped

[visual radish]

Was yeah got completely removed when we got the 3 starters, only the xp was left

[spare badge]

Yeah. Back before they made the new set of Fey Pacts, both Fey and Tempest were the starter pacts. Everyone got both to start with, rather than making a choice.

[visual radish]

Not for much longer tho

[spare badge]

We always assumed that DE would get around to removing the XP, but recently some people have been more vocal on it.

[visual radish]

They have confirmed the removal for p14

[simple prism]

Thank you for the explanation

[steep solstice]

finally got the circade armor, wish it was a closed face helmet entirely but im more than happy to have traditional knight armor

[red scaffold]

If we join multiple enclaves, do we retain our rep with the prior one?

[spare badge]

Yes.

[turbid ridge]

It's good armor. I made mine gold because I like to treat myself

I just transmogged it for better stat armor

[steep solstice]

mines red and silver, initially to try and look like a paladin
but i now just look like a generic town guard, and i think thats even better

[turbid ridge]

I tried to dye the tethren arm to match. It's the best I could do lol

[hallow prawn]

ibeat the 3 headed bear and then freed the wolf, where do i get the next storyline quest?

[spare badge]

See if you've done everything. There's also the 3 organs and the mini-quests. https://wiki.avakot.org/Fables

Apparently, P14 has an incoming fable, too.

[red scaffold]

Bit annoying that the summoned wolf triggers the will o fronds to just blow up.

[left kite]

ayo guys, I just spent my point on a parry and a dodge skill but when I do them perfectly, it doesnt change anything. Am I missing smthng ?

[inland nebula]

Why didn't anyone tell me that Purity was this good?

[left kite]

it says that you have to attack right after the perfect parry/dodge, but maybe i need to use another key (which I dont what it is)

[candid cairn]

Does anyone else get randomly launched into the air like the challenger rocket during combat?

[steep solstice]

the parry works! its just increased damage regular attacks, they just come out quicker

[red scaffold]

HRMM Pretty sure I am not supposed to be in other people's Nightfold

I keep seeing people saying, including the wikis, that certain pacts are better with certain Virtues.

I do not see why in the slightest, I even see things like on this screenshot.

What is the truth of this situation?

Is there really some pacts that contribute more or less to each Virtue?

[stable mist]

what is best spot to find fire fungus?

[dapper rain]

~~https:/soulframe.wiki.fextralife.com/Orengall+(Pact) ~~ still has akin listed as a passive

p13:
Pact Skill Tree Updates
Akin has been replaced with Healer.
Healer: You’ve the healer hands. Recover Life more efficiently.
https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/9461-soulframe-preludes-13-a-triquetra-of-virtues/

avakot is activly being maintained

the first statement i too broad so it is of course true.
ex: for orengall the easiest is more spirit to 38+ = an extra wolf.
or before the self damage removed moras hand was much better in courage builds. full grace could nuke half your own HP harder to survice and fight comfortably

to second question used to be true pre p13

[dapper rain]

forests.
usually kernhold area just cuz thats one i frequent. its all forests so find whichever works for u

[dapper rain]

riposte and spectre strike?

perfect dodge is the swoosh sound
would take 2-3 normal hits riposte 1shot alot of things.

[dreamy rover]

If I play co-op with someone else, would I lose xp? Like would it split among us

[thorny glen]

nope

if anything, you get more xp from having easier kills from allies

[frigid helm]

I'm trying to use it but so far it seems to underperform compared to needlseye. What virtue/build are you running?

[safe canopy]

Yeah i feel that way too

Purity feels slugish

[dapper rain]

level 30 purity should be doing more damage then level 30 needleye...

[frigid helm]

I haven't maxed it yet but it feels unsatisfying

[hot oriole]

why are there a gazillion enemies now

used to be about 5 max

[vestal crystal]

I see 7 enemies which is also pretty normal

Wait 8 enemies

[shadow brook]

Always funny doing this

[ripe sonnet]

pommel strike, destroyer of worlds

always fun to see alternative methods to bonk enemies into submission

[safe canopy]

Is this bug or what?

[shadow brook]

not to my knowledge

just the way the designed that attack plus buffing the stagger as much as possible

[safe canopy]

Oh okay

[shadow brook]

only works consistently on beefier targets with purity

but I dont think having something like that is healthy and should be nerfed so im enjoying it while i can

[safe canopy]

He is spamming attacks so well deserved revenge

[ripe sonnet]

Theres similar shenanigans you can do with other weapon types

not even the most powerful combo out there though (both of these)

[shadow brook]

seen someone mention that before

[safe canopy]

Yeah shield is great for that. But sadly stabbing downed foes has no extra dmg

[wet tulip]

true only thing it has is the finisher passive perk

[shadow brook]

guess you could pair it with ode

[ripe sonnet]

and the ode tempest passive yea

only downside is that if you bonk someone with a shield and then grappel to them that you get a different, kicking finisher that does less damage

so you either bonk, walk to them and do the ground finisher or grappel -> bonk -> ground finisher

[wet tulip]

"bonk theory" xD

[ripe sonnet]

that being said the shock is nice because not every enemy type gets "intimidated" on ground finisher

[dapper rain]

polearms have similar poke

[shadow brook]

from my testing the paragon can't do it to bosses even though it's the same attack. not sure exactly how the sprint attack stagger scales because even the paragon with the +20 sprint attack stagger can't perma stagger bosses

[safe canopy]

Is shield viable besides bonk playstyle?

[wet tulip]

pretty sure dps wise there are better options for melee

[ripe sonnet]

Shield gets durglint which can do pretty decent damage but it depends on what you count as viable

its no alca's breath final fellust headshot bow one shot using arrow rain to freeze bosses and fish out smite

[safe canopy]

I thought maybe there is something as strong as purity whoopasser

[ripe sonnet]

if you stack durglint long enough you can one shot almost everything in the game so its alright

[safe canopy]

And durglint is?

[ripe sonnet]

shield rune, shoots out a laser beam on block and charges the next attack with said damage

you can just hold it before it runs out and smack someone with the charged hit because it stacks infinitely

[safe canopy]

And its one time use? One shot someone and stack again

[wet tulip]

yup

its essentially stacking bunch of smite procs for 1 melee hit if i remember it right

[safe canopy]

Ahh. Gonna try to find a build for that. But I think i will test the bow stuff one shot first

[young barn]

Anyone else had the sapling fail to spawn in the nightfold after completing the waste bear?

[wet tulip]

maybe try to relog?

[young barn]

Did that, was unlocked in multiplayer and it failed to spawn then, replayed it solo and it appeared and I've just logged in and it has gone again.

[wet tulip]

ah you did your original first waste bear while in multiplayer?

[young barn]

Yeah :/

[wet tulip]

yup bug report time

unfortunately its known that doing those quests in multiplayer is buggy xD

preludes moment

[young barn]

So I guess I'm cursed with no seeds then? :p

[wet tulip]

you can try sending a support ticket

since it feels more personal then a broad bug that happens to everyone

[shadow brook]

tested the poke with needleseye, paragon, and purity and only purity can chain stagger bosses, I think even at low level purity could do it so must be something tied to it's sprint attack or some other mechanic in the backround. the other two can still do it to most other enemies.

[young barn]

So how do I do that?

[wet tulip]

go to soulframe website

log in

scroll down till the end and you got this button

it opens a website

and you click here

and there you go

i guess your problem falls under gameplay & progression since you cant progress with the waste bear to spawn the sapling

fyi i think you should include your game logs to help with the problem

to do so open up soulframe launcher and click on the "gear" icon that opens settings , and click on the "get logs" button

@young barn hope that helps and i wish you luck

[young barn]

fingers crossed.

[young barn]

would ask what log to add, there's 5 in the folder it generated.

[wet tulip]

umm lemme click on it to see if theres a difference

ah i see. why not include all of them?

like it allows you to

[cerulean plinth]

EE.log is the most important one

[young barn]

Thanks!

[safe canopy]

Took a while to deal not that great dmg

[dapper rain]

2-3 seconds?

[young heath]

Hey guys

How Long does it usually take to gain access to the Game ?

[safe canopy]

Dunno. I see you run around in x2 speed for 20 seconds

[vagrant kayak]

2000 invites are sent out randomly every Wednesday so how long it takes varies however there's an Envoy Hour stream later today which will get you access just by watching for 30 minutes with a linked Twitch account

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1478453605777412258

Details on how to link your accounts here: #soulframe-news message

[nova hare]

is there a way to check what you alreayd have?

[smoky crater]

Check your inventory i guess 👀

[cobalt blade]

so I'm guessing that a companion app like Little Genius is treated the same way as AlecaFrame in that DE doesn't explicitly ban you for using them, but they don't guarantee you won't get flagged, either?

[halcyon thicket]

yes

[cobalt blade]

hmm
not sure I'll risk it, then. Though I feel like the resource grind and new player directions are much worse than Warframe tbh and a companion app for some clarity of where to go and what to do for certain things is much more appealing

I've finished all the currently available fables, but I still haven't even crafted a single other set of armor
just a couple different weapons which I'm just kinda slowly working through for MR

[neat bane]

this an intentinal thing or a bug? swapped pacts and the wyld tethern and noraml tethren had the same things unlocked even while having different ranks. tried to rank up the wyld a bit to see if it would fix

[dire helm]

Now that you've finished the main fables up to this point, you can fight agari (world bosses) around the map. They drop runes (weapon upgrades) weapon parts, and armor parts of various kinds. The general recommendation is to use the interactive map and make a path you follow, as they're all on 30min timers.

[vagrant kayak]

That is intended, Tethren and Wyld Tethren share their upgrade pool, if you level both to max you'll get 60 points to spend total

Same for the other Wyld Pacts

[neat bane]

was worried i bugged my game again

yesterday i had problems with autosave not saving... gonna see if it happens again today

[safe canopy]

Are there plans for other pacts to reach all points? Or it will be intendent to choose wisely which is more usefull at the build or overall?

[vagrant kayak]

Other Pacts will get Wyld versions eventually yes

[inland nebula]

One moment, let me get my game up. I know that I have Everflame with an attack speed totem and armour removal on hit in the offensive slots.

Also running 23 Courage (working on getting it higher)

[sly quarry]

Is it possible to get an invite to the game to tryouts, as I've been signed up and downloaded the game since the game looks very promising!

[regal shadow]

#soulframe-news message here, give this a read

[sly quarry]

Just read, Thanks!

[sly escarp]

Purity has a higher Courage requirement

It's possible players might not meet it which makes it feel much worse to use

[neat bane]

How many combat art points does one get per level of their weapon? Trying to rank up flyblades combat art

[placid condor]

Every 6 levels you get 1x point

[neat bane]

Thank you

[placid condor]

If you have multiple flyblades I'd recommend get multiple to level 6 for some quick points and then level up just one to 30

I did this with all of my longswords and it helped a lot

[neat bane]

So far only have the one that i belive came with the wyld tethren pack

[wary laurel]

grrrr killed the bow master up north for the bow RUNE like 15 times and only got the alca one i want the sexond one volley

[neat bane]

Working on others

[placid condor]

Got it. Well, when you end up with multiple of a weapon type keep this in mind! Gives a nice fast "boost" to your capabilities

[neat bane]

Man i gotta stop playing this like warframe... im use to tanking hack and slash with valkyr so my play style has kinda... become a bit "take the hit and try not to die, but don't forget... keep on slashing"

[knotty moon]

It probably can work if you build for it, maybe not at high Cogah levels, but for anything reasonable it should.

[mellow python]

Are you doing it on the right level? Ruthos should drop Alca Breath on non-cogah runs and The Torrent on cogah runs

[wary laurel]

oooppss, the rune TORRENT only drops on Cogah multiplayer hard level ??? no thx then, i will keep Alca on my bow 🤣

for Cogah i need to drink my potion and go kill Ruthos again ? ( im scared of hard mode )

[chilly brook]

it not really that hard tbh

just don't get hit by weaver boss or those shadow knight

they can 1-2 shots you

[spare cipher]

so im playing with the friend code or well access does that limit my ability to equip things ? im abit confused is all

[knotty imp]

you can message me on here or in game if you need help with cogah bosses

[frigid helm]

Are your totems maxed too? I haven't gotten around to that yet

[placid condor]

Only thing you can't get currently is the paid for items in the Founders packs, but they will almost ALL be available later.

The only real impact is you cant yet get the alternate Pacts that are called "Wyld" which is like Warframes Primes.

The weapons and armor are nice for starting out, but definetely NOT required.

[spare cipher]

okay awesome thankyou so much

[placid condor]

I would definetely say give the game a try before getting a pack. It is a game that has more intrinsic motivation than anything right now.

[spare cipher]

honestly so far ive enjoyed it ,jus was confused why i couldnt use the gear or pact i got from a fight but its no worries rightnow

[placid condor]

You may need to craft it! The game doesn't have drops like traditional RPGs you have to craft like in Warframe (a lot more simplified though)

I'd recommend a lot of discovery, but definetly ask here or look up a guide when you are lost. There really isn't ever explainations.

[spare cipher]

i loved warframe and got excited when i seen soulframe so i imagine its just going to take me alittle time to figure things out

[dapper rain]

should have gotten 'invitation' after left tormented stag dungoen (if not relog... general tip if the bird doesnt seem to be acting right)
after finish inviation. should get steelsinger or "a letter awaits you"

[inland nebula]

Not yet. Also going to be replacing Synod's Belljar with Trirune Talisman before slapping an Iridis-Blessed Joinery on it to get it some Spirit damage scaling. (Orengall likes spirit, and I like having spectral wolves)

[spare cipher]

ahh okay that would make sense 😅 thanks ill do that now

[inland nebula]

Though, I could also slap a Saphene-blessed Joinery as well.

[wary laurel]

other than the tree, what else is there to do, on the island up north ?

[safe canopy]

is joinery with extra courage/spirit/grace giving any difference than a regular one with all the same except missing i.e. courage?

[smoky crater]

blessed joineries and polished joineries are identical in every other way except the attunement increase from blessed ones yes

[zenith knoll]

blessed seathorn my beloved

such a brainless and powerful weapon

[safe canopy]

so for avex it doesnt matter at all if i pick polished empty, or blessed with courage?

[smoky crater]

well it matters as much as for any other weapon

if you throw in a blessed one, less total virtue points are needed to reach the weapons attunement cap

[zenith knoll]

with a blessed courage joinery it'll do even more damage the more courage-attuned you are

i think

[smoky crater]

same with spirit and grace. tho grace scales slightly better than courage or spirit

[safe canopy]

i thought more attune = higher demand to get it working i.e. from 14 courage i would need to get at least 20 to use effectively this weapon

[smoky crater]

no, you only need to reach the requirement

each point past that will give a slight damage boost however

up to a certain weapon specific pre-determined number

[past steppe]

How easy will it be to switch between completely different builds (like tank vs ranged)? Will there be saved loadouts or will it require re-grinding each time? Asking for a friend with altisem.

[smoky crater]

you have 4 loadout slots by default

but also no need to re-grind anything unless you sell a pact or a weapon 👀

so basically as long as you have the "tank" and "ranged" weapons, pacts etc. grinded and crafted, it's basically a button press to switch

[scenic solar]

It’s also an online only live service title like WarFrame.

So 1 “character” per account

[dapper rain]

nothing

[smoky crater]

1 character, but you can get everything for said character, not locked into anything
yes

[dapper rain]

Attune Cap
A weapon can only gain bonus damage from Attunement equal to 1.5 times (150%) its base damage (i.e. a weapon dealing 50 damage can only gain 75 bonus damage from Attunement).

-Common weapons are currently capped at 1 time (100%). Some of those still benefit the 1.5 times as of Preludes 13.
-Base damage is the 'Attack' stat shown at Rank 0 in either the Crafting menu or Wares of Zenith.
-Base damage can also be calculated for a weapon by taking its Attack value and and subtracting the value in the parenthesis before it (i.e. a weapon with "Attack (+61) 109" has base damage of 48, and thus can gain 72 bonus damage from Attunement).

[inland nebula]

Oh, that's evil.

Putting an item right in front of a Mockery.

The kind that jumps out and grabs you, too

[smoky crater]

[dapper rain]

preklies T1 from kith of kings but its pretty common drop
skilter from gruul seeker ruthos and i think reaper?
thats all the flyblades in game.

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[dapper rain]

u may like bromius... cogah naked levling 1* sword... bear dont care lol

[fringe tendon]

I'm at the right map location for Discharged Nimrod and the icon is white on the map but no nimrod, any thoughts?

[frigid helm]

Thankss, I'll try it tmrw

[pallid vine]

i hope the devs experiment a bit with the weapons down the road

giving weapons some gimmicks

like maybe a weapon that builds up charges or damage the longer you stay in the air, giving you a new play style

[fringe tendon]

can someone send me a map location of discharge nimrod so I can verify I'm in the right place?

i'm in cogah mode by the way

[halcyon thicket]

east of fort kearnhold

@fringe tendon

[rustic wolf]

any1 else going nuts bc of the attacked while jumping and getting launched to the air bug? for me it is the 3rd kogah ruined and now at the very first boss :))

[halcyon thicket]

yeah it can be annoying

u can use bromius and save rump thump for when that happens

[rustic wolf]

sadly i don't have it yet, so for me it is always instakill

[halcyon thicket]

idk if the hover attack can save u there

[rustic wolf]

it can't, tried it every single time and it counts it as i have already used it or idk

anyway just came here to cope haha

[atomic lynx]

will werewalker save you as it takes no fall dmg?

[halcyon thicket]

nope

once you go back to Envoy whatever was queued will happen

im not sure but if u use /unstuck while in werewalker and then tp u might not die

[fringe tendon]

yep I'm right there above the organ in some low ruins, not sure why he is not there, bug maybe?

@halcyon thicket what's funny is the chest that is there keeps refreashing but no nimrod

[modest crater]

have it dissapear on map after pullling the world tree if you were taxi'd .. .go again for bored alcan culture free magic trick?

[stable magnet]

Guys i can't find the help channel but i wonder if anyone can help me. I acquired the founder package for soulframe and i can't find how to get the skin for warframe too. Supposedly there is a sword skin for warframe.

[safe canopy]

have you tried soulframe official website?

after logging in there should be a skin code or sth

[halcyon thicket]

https://www.soulframe.com/en/user

[halcyon thicket]

how often is it refreshing

[stable magnet]

Thanks very much!

[fringe tendon]

I think it's bugged because I walk away from the area come back and the chest is refreashed again

[halcyon thicket]

yep, try relogging/restarting

[fringe tendon]

since i'm in cogah mode I can't logoff and log back on

[halcyon thicket]

ah shame

what you can do is go in a dungeon and back out

that'll refresh the world

[fringe tendon]

ok lets try thatbrb

I started the organ then ran away and oddly enough there is no dungeon near by the location lol

[knotty moon]

Stream is live for anyone that wants a key.

[fringe tendon]

oh well guess I'll sacrifice this cogah

[vital valley]

Is there anything going on in Soulframe rn haven’t played since the preludes

[knotty moon]

Still in the Preludes, P14 SOON™.

[vagrant kayak]

We're still in Preludes but depending on which was your last Preludes a lot may have been added

[full hearth]

Preludes are like onions, they have layers.

Which layer were you last on?

[vital valley]

I was last on when the transition to this server was going on

[vagrant kayak]

Then your last Preludes was likely 11, we're on 13 now

[red pelican]

Hey!
I don't know if this is the right chat for this question... but
How long does it take to register and play? The website says I have to wait for an invitation. 😅

[fierce juniper]

Hey guys how are you today

Any new on official release

Or console release date

[whole owl]

Nope and nope

[whole owl]

I'm great, how about you?

[visual radish]

Livestream happening right now with twitch drop for access
Gotta link twitch and soulframe
#soulframe-news message

Gotta act fast because you need to watch it for 30 min

[red pelican]

thx ❤️ 😁

[fierce juniper]

I’m good

[echo ocean]

Guys is the flying up issue when using a wand still a thing?

I haven't played in a while, currently at work otherwise I would test myself

[crimson crane]

hello guys, i wanna play the game, how do i get an invite?

[fringe tendon]

yep Discharged Nimrod is bugged, logged off then on and no joy he still doesn't spawn

[hot lintel]

watch a stream for 30 miniutes or sign up for email and wait

[vast gulch]

@crimson crane Dm me in 20, if you fail to get one, i'll share a spare code

[crimson crane]

it's ok, someone already gave me on ..thank you ^_^

[polar python]

i made an account and installed teh game how long does it take to receive an invitation to play the game tho?

[fiery steppe]

I've already played Soulframe like few months ago but I don't have access anymore. Do I need to get a new code? If so, could somone please share a spare 1 or even 2 (for my friend too)?

[halcyon thicket]

that shouldnt happen @fiery steppe

[rapid inlet]

It was literally 1 minute away from me getting the code, what a sadness

[halcyon thicket]

https://www.soulframe.com/en/user go here and check if it says access enabled

[halcyon thicket]

yeah u already have access

[fiery steppe]

How do I download the game then? There is no Soulframe in my steam library but I 100% played before

[halcyon thicket]

it's not on steam yet

[marble nacelle]

Hey everyone, quick question I just got a Soulframe pre-alpha key and I’m trying to log in, but it says my account is inactive.

The weird part is I literally made the account like a week ago, and I’m not getting any verification/activation emails (checked spam and everything). I also can’t contact support because it requires me to sign in… which I can’t do

Has anyone else run into this or know a workaround? I’m trying to play but I’m stuck right now.

[halcyon thicket]

but if u didn't delete the game

just search up Soulframe in windows search

[vagrant kayak]

Did you get the key from the Envoy Hour stream just now?

[unborn glen]

to get access to the game?

[fiery steppe]

Oh, thanks

[marble nacelle]

yea i did

[halcyon thicket]

or do windows+R type %appdata% then local and find Soulframe

[vestal jacinth]

Are thre tree missions ever completed after doing them or do they ever go away?

[halcyon thicket]

the launcher should be there

[rapid inlet]

yes

[marble nacelle]

@vagrant kayak yea i idi

[unborn glen]

Ill send you a message, give me one sec

[vagrant kayak]

Ok, so on Soulframe.com log in using the e-mail you used to sign up, then under Account Management you'll need to hit the Claim button

[rapid inlet]

ok

[vagrant kayak]

Once claimed the top of the Account Management page should say your access is now enabled

[honest saffron]

where;'s verminia's culdron?

[vagrant kayak]

By Verminia

[hollow spoke]

Anybody have an extra prelude code?

[vagrant kayak]

If you don't yet have Verminia in your Nightfold you'll have to complete the Brewer of Hues Fable

[marble nacelle]

@vagrant kayak yea but i cant sign into my account it says its inactive for some reason

[vagrant kayak]

Are you certain you're using the right e-mail address?

[vast gulch]

Yes give me a sec

[unborn glen]

sent you a message

[marble nacelle]

@vagrant kayak yea 100% positive had it written down password and all it said my account was inactive and im not reciving emails to confirm and i cant contact support since i cant log in either stuck in a loop

[vast gulch]

You sent him one already?

[unborn glen]

yeah lol

[vast gulch]

alright ++

Anyone in need of a code @ then dm me i'll check back in a minute

[vagrant kayak]

That is strange, and sadly not something I can help with I'm afraid, my advice would be to register a new e-mail and contact Support through that account to see if they can identify the issue

[pine latch]

does anyone here using optiscaler for this game?

[marble nacelle]

@ howl omg you were right was wrong email😭 😅 i have to wait temp logged out ill try again later lmfao thnx brotha

[vagrant kayak]

Yw glad you found the problem!

[glass grove]

If I buy erangell armor on store, will be there any wipe on releasing? or it is safe to spend money on cosmetics?

[halcyon thicket]

No wipes planned

[finite stone]

Even if there were wipes (which there are none planned, dw), DE would reimburse purchases anyway. So you're all safe to spend arcs

[valid herald]

Some update on the envoy?

[vagrant kayak]

Some mention of things changed and fixed in P14, more info on the devstream

[twilit escarp]

Did they mention P14 date?

I didn't get to watch 😅

[smoky crater]

nop

[normal sail]

P14 release is, as steve would say; “ oon™ ”

[twilit escarp]

ˢᵒᵒⁿ

[spare badge]

They did mention a few things coming in p14. But not in depth.

They also mentioned something that some of us have been asking for for a while...

[trim stratus]

i hope we go back to custom point system and get mounts

[runic eagle]

Yo guys I have a question. Just loaded in and im on Ashen Phantom quest. Im aiming to get ode tempest, but its a late build, so, is there any good early build? ( im using the courage base one )

[twilit escarp]

Courage is perfect, allows you to make mistakes more and take hits without dying in 2-3

[sinful scarab]

trading perhaps?

[fringe tendon]

anyone know if the Discharge Nimrod spawns anywhere else?

[finite stone]

Just the one spot

[fringe tendon]

damn, well for some reason he has not spawned for me since this morning, not sure why?

I even wasted one of my cogahs by logging off then on

[spare badge]

||Rescued ode dogs on login screen.||

[spare badge]

Did you make the mistake of sticking around the area?

If you don't go far enough away, the cogah bosses won't respawn.

[modern kindle]

Hey guys, I was using the oryn shield with the throw stagger knocking down ennemies. I upgraded my shield with a new Gildaur at rank 30 and it got it back to lvl 0 and now the throw doesnt stagger anymore. Is it a bug?

[normal sail]

if you use a blessed by x joinery it resets

[spare badge]

It may be doing not enough stagger damage to be noticable at lower level?

[modern kindle]

Ohh maybe thats why

so by lvling it up it will stagger more

[spare badge]

Yeah. When the level resets, it goes back down to level 0 damage levels. You re-gain the damage levels as you level the weapons back up.

[modern kindle]

ok thx a lot

[spare badge]

If that don't work, then bug report it.

[modern kindle]

sure

[fringe tendon]

@spare badge I went all the way to the otherside of the map and came back I've logged off and on

[spare badge]

Relogging clears out cogah.

[fringe tendon]

I know I put my cogah back on

[spare badge]

Did you try relogging with cache optimize? That often fixes things that relogging alone doesn't. Next step would be verify files, then reinstall. If those don't fix the problem, then you've definitely got a bad bug.

[twilit escarp]

Can confirm, I relog everytime after drinking a cogah

[twin skiff]

invincible dog who flies around my head trying to bite me

[fringe tendon]

well if nothing else I found a good way to rank up my stuff pretty fast, actually I don't know why I care, I have all the runes now and I've hear pictrix doesn't last very long anyway

[spare badge]

Best idea for guide skin yet. Stick ti up in #1438224662344761345

[sinful scarab]

|| Riven Mods Joineries ||

[twin skiff]

oh my god it's fighting my enemies

[spare badge]

Ain't nobody want rivens. People want ravens.

[neat citrus]

I want rivens

[spare badge]

I told you it was a good idea for a guide skin.

[sinful scarab]

why not both

[sinful scarab]

Prelude 14: Rivens and Ravens

good name

[spare badge]

Rivens suck. You can mod better without them.

[twin skiff]

the dog is definitely beyond the area where he should be leashing

[neat citrus]

*You can mod better with them

if you have a good riven ofc

[spare badge]

Chances of that are so small as to be considered non-viable for practical purposes.

[twin skiff]

lol

[spare badge]

People who run across that bug have all the fun...

I been playing since p6. The invincible dog bug has only been a thing since after DE made dogs so they run off instead of die. I've never run across it.

It's one that I keep hoping ot run into so I can put it thorug its paces.

[jade latch]

i just killed a dog like 2 days ago, they can still die

[spare badge]

Bug report that.

[jade latch]

disintegrating dog

[spare badge]

Put non-cropped screenshot over in #1438224825113120788

Make sure to explain what you were doing in fair detail.

Part of why we're in the pre-alpha is to help catch bugs and report them.

[jade latch]

someone else made a post an hour ago with a vid, saying the same thing, and i just added that it happened to me too, and i have a vid saved if needed

[spare badge]

If they made a bug report on it, add to theirs. If not, you could link to their post.

[polar python]

how often do they give codes out to play the game?

[jade latch]

i adde to theirs

[spare badge]

Every wednesday.

[river elk]

had dogs run away, did not know it was a bug.

[spare badge]

They're supposed to run away.

They're not supposed to die, or remain hostile after getting rescued (helmet knocked off).

On the opposisite side of things, I HAVE run into a dogzilla who was non-hostile.

[nova hare]

Is there a palce i can see how many inventory, pact and loadout slots i currently have?

[spare badge]

The camel in nightfold. In his menu for those things, there should be numbers that tell you how many you've got currently.

[nova hare]

Thank you ❤️

[scenic solar]

Seriously, do we know what affects the animals on the login/start screen? It feels like it's the totems you have equipped

[ebon wraith]

its latest animals you got

[scenic solar]

positive?

because i've gotten some ducks and don't use any duck totems, and I don't see any ducks when i log in

[ebon wraith]

not sure if it puts exact animals you got, but it fills up the more you get and iirc it resets daily

[plucky junco]

i don't think it has anything to do with the totems, you just get more for logging in daily

i think it just reaches max when you get the beaver on day 10

[stable mist]

Btw soulframe is still in alfa?

[ebon wraith]

pre-alpha

[stable mist]

Oh wow

Its gonna be long way xD

[ebon wraith]

well warframe still in beta xD

so its not an indicator

[stable mist]

Hope it will be good as warframe

[ebon wraith]

my only hope they wont keep releasing new content and forgetting about older content

[stable mist]

I think some missions will be good without infinite respawns

[torn parcel]

As a longtime Warframe player: I'm seeing loads of potential and plenty of promise.

The one "major" concern I'll have for the game's future is whether or not the soulframe team has learned from the warframe team's reframing of focus on design philosophy and what that's done for Warframe.

[ebon wraith]

can agree to that, WF player since 2014

[stable mist]

Tbh i like combat here way more than in warframe. Its also nice that its slower, very different game from warframe for sure

[ebon wraith]

IMO and many other players agree that when Reb took over WF received many much wanted QoL additions that community asked for

[torn parcel]

Very much the same. I love everything about warframe, no doubt, but Soulframe is itching the scratches that Elden Ring just never quite hit and it's really dragging me all the way in.

[knotty imp]

k so 13 more years till we get exact numbers for pacts and passives xd

[ebon wraith]

i think we will get that once we get to a more stable versions, alpha state perhaps.

[knotty imp]

cus tbh the fromsoftian "vague" and "esoteric" design of hiding important stats from the player needs to die and be forgotten

[ebon wraith]

the stats change so much so no point in releasing them and change them every patch/hotfix at this stage

[knotty imp]

hard to say if obfuscation of said stats currently is intentional or just a byproduct of being in prehistoric alpha

[torn parcel]

That's where I'm sitting at it with. Giving us numbers when I can almost promise you that there's going to be two or three more reinventions of what virtues are and how they interact with the game is just setting people up to be confused and frustrated when the numbers they rely on consistently get scrambled.

But, also, yes. when things solidify, keeping us intentionally in the dark is no beuno.

[knotty imp]

omg virtues 3.0 incoming

your stats now scale off your irl moral compass

[stable mist]

We will just have to wait. Its good that they don't rush things and focus on reworking actual systems

[ebon wraith]

my bet virtues will change even more, current system just dosent do what it was supposed to do

[knotty imp]

well removing the function of blessed joineries is what screwed it for me

[scenic solar]

It will just depend on if Steve makes the Pacts pointless, like they kept trying to make Frames pointless for fights

[stable mist]

I remember when i was farming motes 😭 totems are way better and have some sort od progression

[ebon wraith]

for me it was weapon and pact ability ties to specific virtue... so if i want to focus on specific pact ability i pretty much MUST use weapons that are for that virtue to get the most of it.

all thats need to be done is sepparate pact ability from weapon virtue scaling or re-add blessed joinery

[knotty imp]

unless there'll be SF equivalent of nullified then I kinda doubt it, otherwise pacts that give massive buffs to DR or dmg ( tethren, bromius) will be our revenants, wukongs, etc

[torn parcel]

I definitely feel like slower, more incremental changes should be the move with core systems.

Revamping Virtues + Dropping Prisms + integrating virtue reqs + modifying weapon alterations all at the same time seems like a bit too much, too quickly to get a real read on too much meaningful data.

[scenic solar]

I don't even mean nullifiers

I mean how multiple bosses and fights locked us out of using abilities

[stable mist]

And what's going with bleesed joinery you talk about?

[ebon wraith]

that you cant change to specific virtue

[knotty imp]

if you mean like eidolons or something then yes the self buff pacts will become outliers

[ebon wraith]

old blesseds could change weapons virtue to a different one which opened up many builds but now its very restrictive

[stable mist]

Aaa okay, it sound way cooler

[knotty imp]

cus completely disabling your pact kind of destroys the whole purpose of the game, imo

[ebon wraith]

true that

[stable mist]

Btw arcanes are no longer possible to farm right?

[torn parcel]

This is sorta what I mean, too. I think that the current system isn't actually as bad as the community is taking it, regarding weaponscalings. But the current deadzones within weapon archetypes is exacerbating the issue. Grace/Spirit options are limited, Couage/Grace options are there, but not particularly meaningfully different from the overwhelming use you can get out of Courage/Spirit.

[knotty imp]

man I just want big dawg to ride off into the sunset

[torn parcel]

I think, once the weapon pools deepen and we get options that feed in to the split scalings a little more evenly, we'll see a lot less of an issue with how harsh the lock in feels.

[scenic solar]

Yea, they put way too many into grace and and courage while spirit has just what... magic and a couple others?

[ebon wraith]

i hope maybe in future instead of virtues affecting pact abilities we will get something like combat arts tree for all 3 abilities and we have some limited points to affect abilities range/strength/duration etc

[knotty imp]

well arts trees are allegedly getting reworked st some point

[ebon wraith]

like 50% is scaled from virtue and rest is from the tree

[scenic solar]

Juniper and Witan seem to be the only non Magic weapons that take Spirit

But in all seriousness they tried to do too much at once with the Virtue change...

[torn parcel]

I definitely agree there. Currently, pacts are way to stilted and stiff. If we get perks that meaningfully adapt abilities on top of the virtue scaling, I think pacts will feel a lot less "Here's the three meta picks, don't worry about the rest."

[knotty imp]

maybe, but it's hard to beat tethren doing a zillion damage without nerfing it into the ground

[scenic solar]

"Spirit is the magic class, it decreases the cooldown of all abilities, and boosts your 2" cool... most of the 2 skills don't feel like "magic"

[ebon wraith]

my point exactly

[knotty imp]

also - what if certain nodes in a pact tree were like waybounds in wf

max out a pact, spend some extra gob, unlock node on other pacts?

[scenic solar]

meh

[torn parcel]

There's always going to be numbers issues like this, though. I'm talking more about how, ignoring the outliers of Courage Teth/Garren, there are still clearly defined "Good and less good" ways to play. Like how courage Orengall is basically a wasted class with a movement skill.

[ebon wraith]

i think we are far from such system

[scenic solar]

all but the first 2 nodes on the middle line are the same

and the first two nodes are your passives

[knotty imp]

even passive swapping could be cool

[scenic solar]

nah

keep them to their respective classes, they're desiged to be used with their kits, not to mixed and matched

[knotty imp]

soulframe subsumes lmao

[scenic solar]

I stand by Helminth being the worst addition to WarFrame

[knotty imp]

hard disagree but ok

[scenic solar]

I don't know, Thermal Sunder Titania's are cancer

[torn parcel]

But, again, there's the preference here to be addressed: We are in pre-alpha. Anyone who's in has basically agreed to being the guinea pigs. These systems, technically, could not even be a part of 1.0.

[knotty imp]

well they could be , like at what point does sf even reach 1.0 status

[scenic solar]

I still doubt it's pre-alpha

Duviri was pre-alpha

[knotty imp]

it'll just keep.chugging along with more updates, same as warframe

[scenic solar]

This is just closed beta

[scenic solar]

Yes, and WarFrame is still in beta, after 13 years

[knotty imp]

like I guess when sf is free to play and available on steam? But I doubt that materially much will change in terms of updates

[torn parcel]

Ehhh. no. Closed beta implies that what's being tested is meshability and foundational functionality. While some changes might happen in a beta state, the core game is settled and pretty much decided.

[scenic solar]

WarFrame was in a much worse state when it went into Open Beta

[ebon wraith]

that is why WF is called bugframe for many years 🙂

[knotty imp]

we still a long way before open beta, give it time lol

[scenic solar]

they could say it's open beta at TennoCon for all we know

[ebon wraith]

solar rails and dark sector times..ah the memories

[scenic solar]

it might as well be, they give out thousands of codes a week to the point that if you want one you can get one within an hour

[knotty imp]

99% troll toll to play the solar rail map

it was glorious

[ebon wraith]

and the fights over dark sectors and how people hated clans increasing taxes was glorious

[knotty imp]

epic bacon real life analogy momento?

[dense umbra]

hey everyone I just started, and I'm wondering what this is, and if it's something I can pick up. If so, how would I 😭

is it a health pot or something

[scenic solar]

That's an extra health vial, you can only hold 5 at a time so you're at max if you can't pick it up

[dense umbra]

okay I see so orbs basically

[ebon wraith]

we held Eris dark sector i remember and somethign else for a while

[dense umbra]

thank you

[knotty imp]

they should just bring back solar rails as they were, my warframe boomer heart yearns for the level of comically petty that it was lulz

or better yet - bring it back but in soulframe 😈

[ebon wraith]

Steve said there will be raids here but i hope they wont be screwed like in WF... break with each update and just removed

WFs clan/alliance part was huge back in the day and nowdays clans are just blueprint/trade hubs and alliances are useless. hope in SF it wont be the case

[knotty imp]

code do be spaghettying so who knows altho simple r stuff like sorties could work for soulframe - several objectives that are basically a long sparrow tale, culminating in some huge encounter ( so I guess a siege + t3 tale? )

[ebon wraith]

we will have more territory so big dungeons/huge sieges raid alike are possible. this island we play is like a small training ground so there is hope

[knotty imp]

The giant sky temple could easily be perfect for some weekly hard mode thing with rare loot - hijack a collector ship and crash it into synods stinky bedroom

[stable mist]

would be nice to see it

also in long future more island, some sort of ship fights could exist too

[knotty imp]

oh god ship combat

let's maybe get mounts first lol

[stable mist]

haha ye

[stable mist]

maybe this wolf will finally grow up

[knotty imp]

that's the plan iirc

[stable mist]

they added him for it guess

[knotty imp]

pup go big and becomes mount

[ebon wraith]

Steve said this year wolf will be added so Soon™

[stable mist]

Tbh without this fast travel from bear going from one part of island to other would be torture

[knotty imp]

need to feed it more HGR lmao

[knotty imp]

now imagine that, but with multiple islands

[stable mist]

hour of walking xD

[knotty imp]

HAH,an hour, he says

[smoky haven]

farming for the medicant chest

this is taking a while

[knotty imp]

[wary laurel]

Picking up a rune from cogah boss - virtues only work when in cogah OR in normal world too?

[opaque orbit]

i missed the stream yesterday 🙁

when would be next acces key giveaway

[ebon wraith]

iirc this friday is devstream

i might have a code if you want

[boreal rover]

Hi, can anybody tell me why I had 5 spirit on my weapon instead of 4? The usual number is 3 then I added a blessed by iridis onto it making it 4. But somehow it happens sometimes that it says 5 instead of 4? Thanks!

[ebon wraith]

probably a visual bug

[boreal rover]

actually not because the damages were also increased 😮

[ebon wraith]

then enjoy the extra boost while it lasts xD

[boreal rover]

hmmm you right xD

[sinful scarab]

wtf verminia

[opaque orbit]

oh yayy

[sinful scarab]

i think because of the music statue thingy that gives a 10 minutes buff

[boreal rover]

maybe, I'll check this later thanks!

[wary laurel]

dumb question - is water considered in future upgrade ??? (diving, fishing, fight under water, aqua boss, air pocket caves, marine materials, etc...)

[plucky junco]

i think it was mentioned we'll get swimming at some point

[carmine cypress]

Good morning, what is the drop chance for Gathannan? I’ve already obtained all possible pieces from Vadagar bosses, but I still don’t have a single piece of this polearm 🙁

[safe canopy]

Its low. Probably 2% like Dewelion

[scenic solar]

Please for the love of god no

Water combat in action games generally sucks

(not to mention DE's tried that before it at was fairly bad)

[wary laurel]

COGAH - killed Ruthos yesterday but didnt loot the desired bow Rune... drank cogah potion this morning but boss not there, at usual spot... does he respawn eventually? 🏹

[spare badge]

Yes. DE mentioned that swimming animations aren't done cookign yet, and they have said there'll be fising at some point.

[spare badge]

30 minutes after you kill him yes. But you need to be far enough away. There's a village a ways away from where he spawns at. I found when I was farming him that it was handy to run to that village, then go to nightold for 30 minutes. Or just go killing other bosses.

[safe canopy]

you were too close of his spawn area when drank the cogah potion

[finite stone]

got a floating agaric

[wary laurel]

killed 4 agari bosses in my Cogah solo run... but then i was killed by the laser beam from King on his throne after ringing his bell (sorry forgot name)... they are hard !!!

[safe canopy]

Well you could run some op builds to make them die within seconds

[nova hare]

what does this icon mean next to gear

[long grove]

means it's a fragment

[smoky crater]

you need fragments of gearpieces to be able to craft them

[long grove]

some only need one to craft, but others may take multiple.

[undone prawn]

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[earnest solstice]

[undone prawn]

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[thick sage]

Combat could be more fun, is it mostly placeholder right now?

[safe canopy]

i hope not

[sinful scarab]

iirc we will get a combat arts rework or something new, and new attack animations, no clue when though

[willow thorn]

this is pre-alpha. i would expect many things to change

[white igloo]

I yearn for a Dewelion fragment

I'm half tempted to just buy the weapon, but I know the moment I do, I'm gonna suddenly get fragments dropping like hot cakes

[ripe bone]

you know it will

i got evidence for that phenomenon right here

this fragment was aquired after i built mine, almost immediately

[white igloo]

I just keep getting Grinn fragments

[halcyon thicket]

I saw someone say that drop rates do increase once you have a weapon/armor

[smoky crater]

thas funi

[ripe bone]

when you stop looking at failures, success rates go through the roof!

[flat hawk]

Hey, I've taken a break from playing and came back - wondering if we have been placed backwards in the story or anything as I see I don't have my Stag pact or my wolf pet anymore

[white igloo]

I think it's like that for Warframe too, so

but yeah, while I've not been dedicated 100% to Dewelion fragments, I haven't gotten any since joining during P12

haven't kept track of how many runs I've done with the Dungeon Agari and the sieges to try and get Dewelion

[winged garnet]

Dewelion took me a long time to get. But I got it in the end.

[smoky crater]

when did you last play?

[flat hawk]

When they brought out a new staff that looked corrupted

[vestal crystal]

there was no reset when the erstroot staff was added. Nothing in the story has changed or anything but we do have a new tutorial quest but that shouldn't have changed anything about the other quests? Your omen beast pacts are fully gone you say?

[flat hawk]

It seems like it was a loading issue, everything arrived on my third time in the tent

[vestal crystal]

ah ok! that's good

[glad flume]

I say it jokingly but I'm half-serious even if I know its just my subconscious doing pattern recognition BS, but it feels like there's an anti-forgiveness meter and getting the first fragment takes FOREVER, but fragments suddenly become way more common once you do.

[dapper rain]

the mendicant knights do crazy dmg. getting locked down by the goo that beam covers u in pretty much done if they are still up

[ripe bone]

mendicant knights are the true final boss

[long zodiac]

You guys think their damage is intended or bugged?

[twilit escarp]

Intended, I mean, should we just walk over all enemies always?

That’s we have block, parry, and dodge roll

[tiny saffron]

Okay I have 8 pieces of this what can i do with it?

[finite stone]

You can craft one, and look at the remaining 7!

[long zodiac]

Personally, I think they can be a fun challenge to navigate, especially in Cogah. I just find it odd how much stronger they are than all other enemies and bosses as well.

My only complaint/suggestion is that they should be “smiteable”, as their leader Knell Knight is

[twilit escarp]

Collect 800 more 🤣 Join the rest of us

[twilit escarp]

My guess is game "flavour" is conflicting with practicality only slightly. Cool to have enemies immune to smite, but a boss immune to smite might really bully new players.

Idk, they could solve it either way. Or, we decide we don't care about the small inconsistency... I don't.

[long zodiac]

Inconsistency is my issue in this regard. You can smite Knell, King, and King’s adds who are also Mendicant Knights but don’t hit as hard for some reason…but not the knights on the map.

[tiny loom]

Waiting with my fingers crossed to play this game, so I just have a few questions

1: How similar to Warframe?

2: I hear stuff saying Durviri was basically a test of Soulframe’s fundamentals, how true is this?

3: How does one join the private beta if it’s still possible?

[halcyon thicket]

Slower paced than wf

Similar to duviri

Watch Friday's twitch stream for an invite code

[safe canopy]

also its pre-alpha not beta

[tiny loom]

Same difference psh

[safe canopy]

and its nowhere near warframe

[long zodiac]

3: check your DMs! 😊

[tiny loom]

https://tenor.com/view/sla-gif-18068939

Thank you

[tiny saffron]

what this actually gave me?

[safe canopy]

stats

[finite stone]

Those are Virtue Prisms

[tiny saffron]

how to check those stats?

❤️

[finite stone]

In your screenshot, the numbers on it

[safe canopy]

they basically allow you to equip armor which gives you defense, the more specific number the greater stats on armor, also it boosts certain skill (red skill = courage) is stronger, last longer or basically better (red skill is usually 1), also its needed to equip certain weapons and any additional points give a slight boost in dmg per hit

[carmine cypress]

Any tips for weapon management? collecting all pacts for now, but hoarding weapons feels like a bad idea 🙂

[tiny saffron]

what the second stat on weapon means?

this weapon scaling better with courage?

[smoky crater]

it only scales with courage, but 3 points scales harder than 1 point for example

[knotty imp]

yea, scales best with courage

[twilit escarp]

Yes

0.5 per pip

[runic eagle]

Yo guys I have a question. Just loaded in and im on Ashen Phantom quest. Im aiming to get ode tempest, but its a late build, so, is there any good early build? ( im using the courage base one for now )

f discord

[tiny saffron]

3 points scales harder that means more? like in other games with scaling system?

[safe canopy]

pretty much

[tiny saffron]

❤️ thanks alot guys

[safe canopy]

powodzonka

[tiny loom]

Another question, if you get prelude access is it permanent or only for a limited time?

[spare badge]

Permenant.

[tiny loom]

Gracias

[pallid vine]

you're welcome

[tiny loom]

Wait a minute-

[smoky crater]

[astral lava]

we can't play multiplayer?

[smoky crater]

you can

[placid condor]

I've seen some things here and there, and I know Friday's devstream may change things (dependent on release dates for P14) but what would you say are the current 3 strongest builds?

Working on a little something that Friday's stream may not affect too much.

[spare badge]

You can. Just never do that with fables or any event that yo don't want to risk getting bugged. MP is very buggy right now.

You have to invite from the pause menu.

[placid condor]

Ain't got no gas init.

[ripe bone]

tethren is a powerhouse with fellust, easy to operate relatively. bromius with flyknives/bow is a walking meme. torrent rune isnt a build but is strong enough to carry anything it is on. mora's hand is quite easy to use with the armor strip. and garren rood can oneshot bosses with some substance abuse

pick your poison 😛

[placid condor]

I appreciate you! Will be waiting until Friday's stream but I got something fun cookin lol

[ripe bone]

if you do tethren dont sleep on uncharged heavy attacks

they dont consume extra charge but gain extra damage

[placid condor]

OOOOOO. Did not know this 🤔

[ripe bone]

my research into the wiki page led me to discover this

purity whacks hard with it

i really hope they dont nerf it though or change the formula, took me 6 days to figure that out

[placid condor]

I'll have to try this out tonight!

Just in case of a nerf lol

[ripe bone]

all this for a nice fellust formula

[placid condor]

Still drives, just avoid the Autobahn for smoother rides 😅

[spare badge]

No clue what any of that says. too low resoluton.

[ripe bone]

its data and calculation from me trying to figure out how it scales, but its zoomed out to show how schizo it got

this is how the bottom part looks like more or less

[halcyon thicket]

People play games to relax

Hermit:

https://tenor.com/view/charloe-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-12241952890378833553

[ripe bone]

it was a wild ride though

it is all just one formula that generates a few straight lines that generate charge per hit that accumulate really wierdly when you miss/do anything but attack regularly
(so technically it is all connected)

[placid condor]

I feel this too lol

[granite tusk]

Found a good spot for farming animals/totems. Was curious, now that they give xp is farming totems a good way to level weapons too or farming lvl 3 rep better still?

[twilit escarp]

I found it can be since you are multitasking different types of progress at the same time

[granite tusk]

Yeah figure can farm the currency for upgrading totems and level weapons at same time. In my limited testing seemed okay for xp but not great. Didnt know if anyone has crunched the numbers yet lol

[ripe bone]

i think some folks at the avakot discord did some documenting on exp gain from totems, but i dont know how far they went

it is faster to farm runes from bosses though for upgrade materials i think

i level up running bosses 😅

[smoky crater]

or... or...
you could do both the rune farming and totem farming 👀

[ripe bone]

all while doing T3's

[granite tusk]

Very fair haha been doing T3s but just getting bored and wanting to mix it up 😆 still have a decent amount of weapons to lvl up

[scenic solar]

Technically impossible. The Tales remove the bosses from dungeons, so if you need their runes, you can't be doing a tale at the same time in that dungeon

[ripe bone]

i know, was a joke mostly

[mighty path]

what is this circle with the book 🙁 i don't have a quest here could someone tell me ? 😄

[halcyon thicket]

When u press g what do u get

[visual radish]

Looks like a quest to me

[halcyon thicket]

Seek the goo

[rare pagoda]

Seek that sap

[mighty path]

xD

[twilit escarp]

Definitely far from optimal, weapon xp wise but a great way to collect the entire set of totems and get a boatload of harmonies that definitely won't go to waste.

Depending on who you ask, there are a narrower set of endgame weapons and runes that players tend to favor, so, once again leveling as you collect a somewhat difficult resource is arguably better overall.

[final rock]

woops all splash dmg totem

that one is just so much better than the rest in the bottom slot

[green oar]

Hi, any reason for why sometimes I have an error as if my credentials are wrong when I want to connect on the game? Still I keep the same credentials without changing them throughout the days and I still can connect on the website at the same time.

[steady glen]

Lil Sap Seeker !

[smoky haven]

almost there...

[smoky haven]

mornings amirite fellas

[steady glen]

wow but you got the Wazza hat already !

[smoky haven]

mendicant armor is 3 stars

[jade latch]

whats the go-to bow?

gonna try one out

[tiny loom]

How do I equip the armor the elk gives me?

In my inv but not in my arsenal

[spare badge]

Probably juniper. Avex is good, but still needs some work. And if you're not used to the old bow melee, then it's got a bit more of a learning curve.

[tiny loom]

Is Smiting just their version of critting as well?

[spare badge]

No. Smite is sort of like a tubo-cirt, in that it procs a glowing piece of the enemy's soul that you can rip out. There's pact artes in all pacts to make it hurt more and to make it heal you (full heal at rank 2). It also triggers rune effects.

[tiny loom]

And how do I rip it out exactly?

[spare badge]

Whatever you've got "pull smite" bound to.

[winged garnet]

If you just did the stag quest for the first time you only got fragments, not the armor. You will need to unlock the blacksmith and then get the missing fragments to craft it.

[tiny loom]

Hm, where do I unlock it?

[carmine cypress]

how can I close/open helm?

[visual radish]

It's an emote

[winged garnet]

Just keep doing quests to unlock the blacksmith, and fight the Vadagar Stag at night to get more fragments

[visual radish]

Trying to remember if it was along the potion wheel or if there was another keybind

[tiny loom]

Emote wheel. Hold X

[carmine cypress]

thank you a lot 🙂 finded

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Fables

[spare badge]

Or whatever youve got it set to. I have X on kbm set to interact so it doesn't mess with my brain, since i have it on X on controller and maily use controller.

[tiny loom]

I hate puzzles and I suck and stupid. I assume this means night but nothing happened at night

Can someone help?

[smoky crater]

At night yes at the door but if nothing happens go to nightfold and back out

[wary laurel]

Why is my virtue triangle higher score on red courage when my envoy pack I bought tends on blue grace (weapons and armor has blue star symbol)... must I swap?

[twilit escarp]

If your armor has a virtue requirement:
eg
16 Grace
16 Courage

And you meet both of those requirements… but your spirit is 50… just as an example, yo can wear the armor but you won’t get the full scaling you could get by switching prism values to maximize your gear choices

Hopefully that makes sense for you

[wary laurel]

Yes it does thx, I will slowly replace armor and weapons to match courage - I associated red courage to the store char with sword & shield (thinking it was tank role) and I wanted the blue bow & dagger (damage role) since I never play the 3rd char with magic staff (role of of mage healer) -but game chars didnt turn to be about those rpg vibes 🤣

[twilit escarp]

Oh I mean I have all 3 built and maxed.. 4 kind of:

I have an Avex build Courage/Grace that I use for Cogah - Oscelda

I have Courage Purity/Marrow’s Bane - Tethrin

Grace Juniper Torrent, Witan Flitsmoke - Oscelda

Spirit Seathorn, Basker’s Wrest - Oscelda

And a Courage Hand of Mora - Oryn-Umbr with Durglint (5 Builds) - Not maxed though

I would say the game caters to all of them except Sirin isn’t quite as fully rounded like Tethrin and Oscelda - But IS a great Pact to farm mats because of Pickpocket

[wary laurel]

I notice youve paired bows with Oscelda? Why is it? .... I wanna try that pact

U can pickpocket without a fight? Without being seen?

[twilit escarp]

Oscelda has a healing zone ability, a crowd control petrify and a bird ability that more or less disables one opponent causing stagger

Even if I don’t build Spirit for faster cooldowns, those three are a complete Cogah quality package

[wary laurel]

Uhhhhh sweet !!! will definetly try out thx U

[twilit escarp]

Plus if water happens to be nearby… I don’t need Spirit CD reduction

Oscelda CD reduction like doubles or triples when standing in water - Which some bosses and dungeons have

[wary laurel]

sorry 1 more tip pls... you mention your set of Avex bow - Courage/Grace - Oscelda pact ... what armor set choice?

[twilit escarp]

Orengall

[wary laurel]

Perfect thx u bunch

[twilit escarp]

🫡

[tiny loom]

I’ve done the mini game with a few animals to get the things, whatever they are called, but the options to enchant my weapon with them aren’t showing up

[half talon]

You will need to make sure you are selecting it in the weapon menu. You'll see it under your weapon, a second little circle OR you can right click your weapon and the menu will pop up. You can then slot in whatever animal you have available for that weapon

[spare badge]

You also need to make sure you've got the right ones for your weapon type.

[lusty crescent]

bro... i want to play this game

does it has server in asia?

[visual radish]

We ddont play on the servers so anyone anywhere can enjoy rlly

Servers log our progress but that's about it

And in multiplayer one of the players hosts (peer to peer)

[ember steeple]

does armor affect dmg? or is it just defence?

[ripe bone]

Enemy armor affects damage, and you can bypass some of it by heavy attack/finisher/ignite them/armor strip with totems

[twilit escarp]

Armor is the big number you see on the right when editing character gear, the three smaller numbers are physical armor, magick armor, and stagger resistance. Those three combine to calculate total armor.

Enemies are the same to the same degree, I believe, and stripping their armor increases damage via reducing how much they mitigate.

Effects that deal damage and ignore all defenses in other games is often referred to as "True Damage" - not impeded by armor or resistances.

Just a description of the overall system, and how systems like that usually work.

[safe canopy]

I ve seen people using sirin for bow (with arrow stabity stab stab) as its blind isnt interrupted by shooting them

[twilit escarp]

Yea the 1 is good, has quite a wide disabling area of effect, the 2 is okay I just don’t like the animation for it currently.

The 3 feels like a dead unless you’re about to get hammered by a mob.

I mean overall Sirin is not bad, Oscelda has a heal though which is such a critical ability and the two other crowd control abilities are so strong.

Tethrin choppy choppy lifesteal fat armor no damage chonk roar… and that’s my summary.

You’re right though. Sirin I think is underrated (I picked it as my starter)

[safe canopy]

Yeah heal is super handy along with blind and birds. But for cogah bosses if you can get your rune up at the start of the battle you can just headshot for 2-3k per hit and sirin blind should last 3-5hits (no charge shot obviously)

I wish other blinds wouldnt be affected by touching enemies. The One and only that should be is Stone turning

[twilit escarp]

Yea my build uses Alca’s Breath on Avex and I killed Gawth solo in like 2 hits.

Etheldred (the spider) is way harder cause she doesn’t have a “head”. I’ve tried to find an equivalent weak spot but to no avail - just consistent damage no matter where I hit.

[safe canopy]

Oh dear sighdug. Thats not how you fight a spider

https://tenor.com/view/flamethrower-protective-gear-burn-it-all-burn-it-to-the-ground-gif-17551547

[twilit escarp]

Other players have been big on Juniper and Torrent… which is actually spot on. It’s great build with suppression if you use the Duck totem causing slow and the beaver totem giving aRain armor strip

[safe canopy]

Yeah not that great on bosses unless you proc torrent and still it might take a while to kill the boss

[twilit escarp]

Well yes, I have Hand of Mora too but is only ever so slightly on the weaker side … I still have to max totems and level up Durglint.

Shields needs a *** addition even though Oryn-Umbr is great

[ember steeple]

wheres a good place to farm dendrit weaves?

[safe canopy]

Shields are weak. Funny to play but they lack dmg or mechanic and most of the arts are blocked

[twilit escarp]

Hopefully they fix this soon - rubs hands together

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-vingança-revenge-plano-os-simpsons-gif-22044850

[twilit escarp]

I buy Avakots entire stock everytime I run into him

Otherwise I think Ode soldiers, and crates

[ember steeple]

where does one find him.

[twilit escarp]

During T3 tales, it’s random

But he does show up with decent frequency

[ember steeple]

oh thanks

[safe canopy]

He spawns somewhere on the map

If you visit tree. There should be an icon showing if he is in this location

[wispy hare]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-joy-lizard-hi-there-well-hello-there-gif-15622233555234689915

Time to Duck Hunt !

I need the Buoyant, anyone knows where i can search ?

[twilit escarp]

There are a chain of three ponds and connecting rivers that have ducks and beavers many players claim to prefer that spot

Since it’s right underneath Wevetwood - You have access to 5/6 totem types in one area, Wevet Sap as well as 4 Agari bosses in relative close proximity

(Rat Totems I farmed in Salzbrim - The Rose Enclave beach town)

[wispy hare]

can i have an hint of the position ? or the map ?

[twilit escarp]

Three ponds at the bottom

+Wevet great for totems in general like I said.. +Sap and Agari blah blah all that stuff

[smoky haven]

i just need 1 more fragment to finish the chest, meawhile the game has already given me 4 helms

[wispy hare]

thanks :3

[twilit escarp]

Np

[wary laurel]

about fragments, do we know where they drop ? which boss drops the AVEX bow pls, im missing 1 of 3

nevermind, my bad.... ORGAN it is !!!

[carmine cypress]

Good day, what is the best strategi to farm Dewelion pieces? I know % is low, but any suggestion?

[tiny saffron]

Guys you preffer igne mora or oryn-umbr?

[wicked stirrup]

anything new in Soulframe worth coming back for?

[full hearth]

What was your last Preludes

[wicked stirrup]

i'm not sure which update number but last time i was on I finished the event with the maestro bow where u have to kill random enemies and collect the boombox thingy

[full hearth]

Okay so last Preludes, we're on Preludes 13 currently.

[tiny loom]

Any recommendations for starting gear/goals/tips? I’m aiming for a more classic sword-and-board play style with magic offset

Kinda my usual in fantasy games

[full hearth]

Off the top of my head

Preludes 13 changed the way Virtues work and added Virtue restrictions on items.
Movement and camera were improved.
Couple new weapons were added.
New event, the Organ was added.
New boss, the Vadagar Bear was added.

[full hearth]

As far as Sword and Board go, there are only 2 options currently.
Bog & Myrtle or Oryn-Umbr. Bog & Myrtle is Courage / Grace and Oryn-Umbr is plain Courage.
For sidearm you could consider a set of Magick Gauntlets. Specifically Basker's Wrest or Odiac which are both Courage / Spirit.
For Pact, any can work. It's more about what kind of pact you like to use, since any pact can wield any weapon, with the correct Virtues.

You'd be looking for a Virtue Prism that leans towards Courage / Spirit if you want to provide a decent scaling for your Magick Gauntlet. It will affect your primary a bit (Oryn-Umbr would be my recommendation here) but you can alleviate this effect a bit by adding slight Spirit scaling to Oryn-Umbr with a Blessed Joinery.

[wicked stirrup]

thanks Envoy, I'm really hoping for mounts soon 😄

[full hearth]

We will get them, one day.

[undone prawn]

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[wary laurel]

never understood this nightfold tree and the huge place it takes... never used it and don´t understand why there are players messages - is this for group play ???

[halcyon thicket]

just a social feature

[wary laurel]

ohh ok, i was hoping it was alerts and tips like in "Elden Ring" when you approach boss or new room

[latent mango]

Its a trend in games to have this type of message boards where people can add random thoughts and get upvotes

[safe canopy]

Try jumping. Treasure ahead

[tiny loom]

Thank you

[amber anvil]

Best spot to farm crypt keys? Been farming world bosses and banneret missions for a couple days but still haven’t gotten a crypt key to drop yet

[west lantern]

Honestly I’ve found that “Heavy” enemies in the area around the crypts drop keys just fine on their own without quests.

[weary knoll]

Yeah typically dropped by bannerets

[west lantern]

Is there some way to check what your standing is with all the factions and how much favor you currently have to trade with? (Barring actually going to your faction representative)

[halcyon thicket]

Finishing a tale gives u current and max

[west lantern]

It shows what you just earned and ALL the favor you’ve earned with the current faction, not discounting any favor you’ve already spent.

I’m talking about a look at what’s currently in your wallet so to speak.

[stuck bane]

anyone else have a world tree they found no longer found when they logged back on cause one of the 3 trees ive gotten did that

[full hearth]

It shows total you have including rank ups + what you have to spend

If it stops at a even number you're usually ready to rank up

If it stops uneven you hit the cap for the day

[frigid helm]

What's the best armor set for a courage/spirit build? Looking to use purity/odiac but trying to hit the spirit limit makes me too low on courage for some of the armor pieces

[weary knoll]

Wouldn't it be the mendicant king's armor set?

What talisman are you using/what does your virtue distribution look like?

[frigid helm]

21 virtue, 15 courage, 9 grace (I think I'll have to check)

Talisman is the courage+6 one from kith

[weary knoll]

What's you Envoy Rank?

[frigid helm]

Just hit 9

[frigid helm]

Grace might be lower now that I think

[weary knoll]

Wait. What's your spirit then?

[frigid helm]

Spirit def 21 cause I hit limit for purity and seathorn

[sly escarp]

Purity can scale either Spirit or Courage, but has a courage req, would suggest reducing Spirit and upping Courage if you're running that as a hybrid build

[weary knoll]

Try switching to mora's beast prism, and using a talisman to get your spirit up

[sly escarp]

Also, Seathorn is a Rare weapon, and as such has a fairly high Spirit requirement. It's not necessarily meant for hybrid builds in Courage.

[frigid helm]

Hmm that's locked behind rank 4 right?

[sly escarp]

Rank 2

Extremes are Rank 2, Hybrid rank 4

[frigid helm]

True but I liked trying to be a mage for a bit 😭but yeah I think melee suits me better

[frigid helm]

Oh then wouldn't mora's beast tank my spirit

[sly escarp]

There are options with lower Spirit requirements!

Erstroot in particular is fairly solid if you want a staff, or Odiac if you're okay witha magick Sidearm

[sly escarp]

Sure would

[frigid helm]

Odiac is fun but my current dmg starts falling off after like lvl 30 so needs more levelling up for that

Erstroot I have to try

[frigid helm]

Oof I'll have to just grind faction tales, so far that's been the most boring grind

[sly escarp]

You probably just need to invest a bit in Odiac, throw a Blessed on it and check your Totems

[frigid helm]

Yeahh but blessed needs r30 and that takes a while without endless

[sly escarp]

True. Keep in mind though, you're building a very Endgame setup, it requires investment to make it shine.

[frigid helm]

My goal is to eventually do all the cogah agari solo so I can grind for the good runes, so I'm prepping my equipment

[weary knoll]

What pact are you going to use?

[sly escarp]

Fair enough. There are builds that can do that easily that don't require as much investment, you just happen to have chosen one of the more complicated ones. Hybrids are a bit of a balancing act to get working.

[frigid helm]

Either stag boi or wolfy. Leaning more towards stag rn

[weary knoll]

Both work well

[frigid helm]

Yeah I imagine a full courage build is good enough to beat the whole game (currently) but I wanted to try sth different

[sly escarp]

Funnily enough, Mono Grace is actually far more viable most of the time.

[frigid helm]

Really? I thought the extra dmg and hp from courage would make it the automatic meta

[weary knoll]

Bear butt headshot

[sly escarp]

Courage gives more health and armour

The only damage bonus is on courage scaling weapons

Grace give better scaling, headshot damage, stealth damage, and finisher damage

[frigid helm]

Oh I thought it also affected ur attack dmg in general huh, that's interesting. I guess a glass cannon build with Grace would also go hard

[astral lava]

where do i get scrap iron?

[sly escarp]

Weapon racks, can find a lot in Undercity and Forts

[weary knoll]

Weapon racks, sword ones mostly

[frigid helm]

Sword racks in camps

[astral lava]

i went from a base to base i always find scrap steel

[sly escarp]

Nope, attack damage is basically just from Virtue Scaling, outside of the conditional bonuses for Grace

[frigid helm]

Try hitting undercity or the forts, usually has plenty there