gameplay-discussion

[slender saddle]

Virtue is a mix of courage and grace

[knotty moon]

Tethren was just nerfed, but it should still be doable.
How are your Arts?

[worthy star]

Bugframe

[slender saddle]

I see, that's why..

14 overall art, bow's 24+joinery

Damage seems low, but I die in few hits

[knotty moon]

I would wait until you got at least rank 30 on weapons and Pact.
Not sure about the bow, but it sounds like the Pact is not maxed.

Another tip is that maxing normal Tethren will give you extra point as they share the Arts point pool.

[lament path]

Courage for health should prevent you from getting one shotted, oscelda can heal without potions. Do max out your pact and weapons if possible + get at least the basic runes if you havent.

[slender saddle]

My Tethren is level 60 overall

[slender saddle]

I tried Oscelda, that was bad idea

[lament path]

Huh, what went wrong with oscelda?

[slender saddle]

Damage was super-low, it took me so long to kill bosses, +they get buggy all the time and are immortal

Their bar turns grey and then never turns red again

[lament path]

Even with heavies, petrification or armour reduction totems?

[knotty moon]

👀
How did that happen just by changing the Pact?

[slender saddle]

I mean bug issue wasn't because of Oscelda 😄

Oscelda just made boss fights longer

[knotty moon]

I meant the damage.

[slender saddle]

And eventually they bugged because of how long it took

[slender saddle]

I don't think I use armour reduction totem

[lament path]

Oscelda has two skills that only get you damage indirectly, birds to max out their stagger bar and petrification multiplies your one hit. Never had trouble killing a boss in cogah with oscelda aside from cloudquelless discharged nimrod (We couldn't kill each other.)

[long grove]

gray bars are a result of low damage vs armor, tho. like leveling a weapon. if you see gray, your primary will only do 1 damage. instead you can use more heavy attacks, use buffs/abilities

[white igloo]

Lotta zero gravity corpses lately

[gusty dagger]

Just taking a break.. looks like the avg adult if you ask me

[slender saddle]

I'm using bow. My heavy deals almost no damage to bosses 🙁

[lament path]

Armour reduction totems are super useful with cogah or higher levelled enemies on non heavy weapons since armour works as a flat reduction.

Or armour ignoring totems

[long grove]

weapon level is tied directly to damage, but you can also throw a joinery on your weapon to boost its damage

[gusty dagger]

What are you using?

[white igloo]

Ok so I know I run low graphics but like... this genuinely hurts my eyes to play

[lament path]

If your weapon depends on a lot of smaller hits, armour reduction/ignoring is well needed

[gusty dagger]

Can you spare some fps?

[knotty moon]

One thing that is useful is to put the Armor bypass totem on the Bow, and put an Armor strip on the secondary weapon.
Hit the enemy with the secondary once or twice, then switch to bow.

[long grove]

could also be an issue of virtues

[slender saddle]

True, I like birds. Usually I can sneak-attack when stunning with birds, but in cogah they attack even while under that effect and seemed invelneruble to criticals. Maybe I should try again

[slender saddle]

Currently Maestro

[white igloo]

Also dunno why fn + prt screen causes my Envoy to dodge backwards

Doesn't do that when I play Warframe ever

[gusty dagger]

Use juniper

[slender saddle]

Any idea on best weapon for Cogah? I dont mind using melee too

[gusty dagger]

And use the deer armor

[lament path]

Oscelda wins whenever there is a puddle.

[knotty moon]

Use F6, also has metadata if you use the screenshot for bug reporting.

[gusty dagger]

Let me post what I am using

[slender saddle]

I tried Mendicant and Orengall armour

[lament path]

Greatsword has the easiest time in my experience, due to armour. Bow with a lot of grace and headshots might be good too.

[gusty dagger]

I dont use orengall

[lament path]

I run shield with durglint for chill cogah

[slender saddle]

Yup, I was using bow with full grace + Tethren, and it went well. I killed 6 bosses and then was once-shotted by regular mob

[lament path]

Medicant is what I use for my courage-spirit focus

[slender saddle]

One-hitted*

[knotty moon]

Arts tree might be more useful. 😛

[gusty dagger]

if your running that armor use that bow btw

[slender saddle]

I just sold it lol

[gusty dagger]

why tho

[lament path]

Hybrid with courage is what allows you to at least survive a single hit yeah, also some mobs / bosses spike in how dangerous they are with cogah

[slender saddle]

Needed slots, I have other good bows too

[gusty dagger]

i would have spent money to give you slots lmao

[white igloo]

I've mostly spent my stuff on loadout, weapon and pact slots

[slender saddle]

So I should use garren armour?

[gusty dagger]

if you dont have the other bow

yes..

[red lake]

Does anyone know if you gain the "+10% Attack Speed" from our sidearm when deploying orbiting flyblades while using your primary weapon?

[slender saddle]

Why blitzel tho? I was told juniper and maestro are about the same

[gusty dagger]

its spirt and grace

see why now

[slender saddle]

Wait, I just checked garren stats and they are worse than orengall's

[slender saddle]

Ah, I see

So I'll have less health then

[lament path]

Cant do damage when you are dead.

[gusty dagger]

you get better dmg out of the Blitzel

as youir not really giving 2 fs about spirt

[slender saddle]

😂

Time to wait

At least I'll add joinery this time

[versed crown]

guys is there a main city in the game?

[slender saddle]

Ohh, nvm

[gusty dagger]

you where running the wrong bow my guy

[slender saddle]

I wont add joinery

Cos it's not lvl 30 anymore

[gusty dagger]

you can just not a blessed

[slender saddle]

Yeah, but 🙁

[knotty moon]

Only Blessed require rank 30, Polished can be quite helpful, if you have the resources to spare.

[gusty dagger]

i cantt find the blssed for grace

but i got 5 of them tho

[slender saddle]

So about virtue, I tried this one last time, but it was with Maestro, so it didn't scale well, I guess that was the problem

[gusty dagger]

because you only scaled off grace with it

your spirt didnt help you at all with dmg on it

[slender saddle]

So I either wait for blitzel, or use paragon, right?

[gusty dagger]

Doesn't matter

Both are good so

[slender saddle]

[gusty dagger]

Hey atleast your bow string didnt snap

[solid badger]

how do I get access?

[gusty dagger]

Few ways

Do you have money

[knotty moon]

#envoy-gathering message

[solid badger]

yeah but its a little tight

[gusty dagger]

Or find someone with codes

[knotty moon]

Next stream:
https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1469343055785103402

[gusty dagger]

I have some available

[tranquil sonnet]

get a code from a freind or a rando, get one from a stream, or buy a founders pack

[solid badger]

@_@

[tranquil sonnet]

people drop codes all the time so dont worry

[gusty dagger]

@solid badger founder pack only $30

Pretty cheap and you can pick a set

[solid badger]

oh I thought it was that 100 one @_@

[gusty dagger]

Thats for all 3

[tranquil sonnet]

thats for those of us that have exess money

[gusty dagger]

[slender saddle]

Whats the best joinery for greatsword?

[gusty dagger]

Still paragon

[slender saddle]

I mean joinery

[gusty dagger]

Oh I dont know i use bows

[knotty moon]

Gildaur most likely.

[slender saddle]

This?

[gusty dagger]

Bow in game and out

[tranquil sonnet]

i can spot you a code if you like

[gusty dagger]

Till i snapped the string and pretty much total the bow

[slender saddle]

Idk what lower parry stability cost does tho, always thought it makes things worse

[lament path]

It means you can parry more before they break your guard

[knotty moon]

Despite being red, it is a good thing.
It reduces the cost of the parry, which is a good thing unless you like being throw down a lot.

[gusty prism]

Parry stability cost = how much stagger is dealt to you each parry, -50% means you take half as much stagger per parry
Not sure why it's red though

I run that on my igne mora and it's a beast

[slender saddle]

Ah, I see. Ty yall!

[solid summit]

Hey, so i think my game is kind of bugfed regarding the triune talisman fragments. I got 2/3 and already killed the circade boss 3 times in the overworld. The second time he didn't drop the fragment. Now he won't spawn anymore even if i keep all three talismans on me for multiple ingame days...
Is it like a random low % chance of him spawning an I simply hot lucky the first 3 spawns?

[soft pivot]

hey guys im having trouble finding faction missions ive done all the fables but nothing is showing up

[gusty dagger]

stuck..

[sly escarp]

It's supposed to be a guaranteed spawn

[dusky karma]

hello, where i drop the torrent rune? Thanks a good game

[sly escarp]

Cogah Gruul-Seeker Ruthos in the NE

[dusky karma]

but i kill 10 times and dont get this rune

[solid summit]

Guess that means no talisman for me..

[sly escarp]

It's a chance drop

Not guaranteed

[white igloo]

RNG chance

[dusky karma]

1%

[sly escarp]

You could try farming the rune back again, or filing a support ticket

[white igloo]

It took me a while to get the Torrent rune too, same for a good chunk of the Cogah runes.

I think I'm sitting at 30 fragments for each Cogah talisman before I ended up getting all the runes

[sly escarp]

No idea what the actual drop chance is, have been having some trouble getting it as well. It's one of the Cogah runes with only one drop source though

Which does slow down how fast you get it

Durglint has like 3, Flitsmoke 3 as well, Treefell 2, and so on.

[dusky karma]

another question, what best bow in game?

[sly escarp]

Depends on your build

[lament nacelle]

depends, im a sucker for Juniper tho

[white igloo]

Depends on the build

[dusky karma]

the bow the pack 30€?

[white igloo]

...also I still don't understand why they made Maestro and Bliztel Grace, instead of keeping their attunements as-is.

[sly escarp]

If you're going Grace/Courage, Blitzel is fine. Grace/Spirit is prova oy Maestro. Starling or Juniper for a pure Grace build.

[sly escarp]

Aren't they split attune?

Or did they just make them pure grace

[white igloo]

Maestro's initial attunement is grace

[sly escarp]

Wild

[white igloo]

Spirit is secondary now

[sly escarp]

Oh, yeah

[white igloo]

Same for Blitzel

[sly escarp]

All primary Attunement is based on the weapon type

[white igloo]

It sucks

[sly escarp]

The secondary is what makes them different

[dusky karma]

The bow Founder pack its good?

[sly escarp]

Good for a pure Grace build

[white igloo]

well yeah

[dusky karma]

thanks

[white igloo]

Juniper and Thisle work fine though

[sly escarp]

Again, it really depends on what you're build is.

That's why they added the split attunement weapons

[dusky karma]

need check builds in youtube

[sly escarp]

To allow for hybrid builds

[white igloo]

Granted: I'm showing their stats while having Polished Quicksliver on them, but

...idk why I keep calling it Quicksliver instead of Quicksilver

speed delivery slivers

[sly escarp]

Quicksliver: Slivers have haste and first strike.

[lament nacelle]

damn spot the Magic the Gathering player

[sly escarp]

PFFFFT

[white igloo]

...Is there something in Magic the Gathering about that?

[sly escarp]

DANG

Didn't need to call us out like that

[white igloo]

Genuinely asking, cuz I've never played it. I had friends who were really into it though

[lament nacelle]

fun fact, the only reason i know about Slivers is cause a friend of mine when i was a kid tried to get me into it, but they would ONLY play against me if they used their Sliver deck

[sly escarp]

Slivers are a creature type that buff Slivers while in play. It's kind of a hive mind of shared buffs that snowballs on the field kind of deck

[lament nacelle]

think WAAAAGH from 40k or Zerg Rush from Starcraft

[white igloo]

Huh. TIL

but yeah in my mind it was more like... wood splinters
but arrows

anyway yeah I wish Blitzel was primary Courage and Maestro Spirit for their attunements

[sly escarp]

Unfortunately, weapons don't work that way any more

[white igloo]

Unless Blessed Joineries change that, but... sad

[sly escarp]

If you want to use a bow, gotta put SOME amount into Grace

[white igloo]

My brain too smooth to make optimized builds on my own

[lament nacelle]

i think it would be nice if Blessed joineries changed what virtue you needed to get the bonuses

[sly escarp]

Think that was the point, to make optimizing your builds more of a puzzle.

[white igloo]

yeah but it makes it harder

Doesn't help that defense Totems aren't doing anything

[sly escarp]

Wouldn't even be as bad for homogenizing as the prior version. They only add 1 pip. If they just change the Requirement virtue, adding a Blessed By Mora to Maestro is still only 1 pip of scaling.

[white igloo]

Unless that's a new UI bug, alongside weapon Smite Chance totems also still not reducing the smite chance

[sly escarp]

UI bug

Seems to still apply defenses

[white igloo]

hrm

also still wanting to pair Igne Mora and the new Basker's Wrest weapons with Mora's Hand for thematic reasons, but

that's what I had to do to meet the attunement, even with the Knight O' Paladine prism. But I feel like I don't know what I'm doing

Meanwhile Mora's Beast offers better personal armor if I just dumped everything into Courage, but then I'd get worse damage for the sidearm-

[slender saddle]

2 hours of waiting for pot craft just for boss to get bugged again. This time he turned invisible and keeps shooting from nowhere

4 cogah tries, 3 times glitched (2 times immortality, now disappeared)

[hasty meadow]

How does a newbie go about starting over/trying a new character? I'm not seeing a character select or delete screen and I want to try out the other stuff?

[slender saddle]

I have some great lucky experience here

[knotty moon]

There is no reset, yet.
You can buy the other starting Pacts from the faction, and gain the starter Prism by visiting the other factions Enclaves.

[slender saddle]

He's just stuck there, inside, spawning mobs and shooting

I assume I cant unstuck either to run from this fight? No way to finish this glitchy torment

[sly escarp]

There is no way to make a new character or reset your account, but you can replay older quests via your Journal

[white igloo]

...So, is it just me or does Ode Tempest and Orengall lack a "signature weapon?"

Garren Rood has Gathann (Polearm)
Mora's Hand has Igne Mora (Long blade)
Bromius has Marrow's Bane (Long blade)

[sly escarp]

Orengall sword was shown off but hasn't debuted in game yet

[white igloo]

I think Orengall's signature weapon being a bow would make more sense tbh

(also there's already too many longblades in the game)

[lament nacelle]

given the grace buff, maybe it could be dual daggers to give that ferocity of the wolf vibe

but Bow also fits that hunter vibe

[white igloo]

also

Is there a point in breaking these things at the base of the Organ, or?

[gusty dagger]

Yeah

[dusty hare]

wait, can you skip them?>

i never tried

[frigid spoke]

They open the doors to the next lvl

[white igloo]

ah

I just broke 'em just cuz

[ancient crane]

Im almost certain you don't have to break them

I've ran past them for a good majority of my organs since realising it and never had it be a problem

[shrewd hazel]

Can someone give me some tips for like, farming scrap brass? I spent like 2 hours running around the glades for polearm racks and i only managed to get like 20 at most, didn't find an arena the whole time

[pallid root]

buy from avakot wild shops

[lean prawn]

Been searching for Blitzel since before the holidays, have 1/2 fragments finally gave up and bought it from our friend the capitalism camel...guess what dropped the very next time I kill ruthos 🙁

[blissful flower]

why did you buy it if your going to grind for it?

[white igloo]

I'm feeling that way about Dewelion

still haven't gotten a single fragment

[lean prawn]

Because I've been grinding for 2 months and never got the second fragment so I gave up.

[blissful flower]

Ohh my

[still violet]

I'm curious, does Orengall's Courage ability have much use in combat? It looks like it's more of an opener and travel ability than anything else lol

[wet tulip]

the bite is good

essentially a good ability to ambush at the start

[still violet]

Yeah, I just wasn't sure if it was one of those abilities that you open with then just ignore lol

[wet tulip]

yeah it aint the ability to use mid combat its mostly to travel and ambush

[still violet]

I wonder if that's something they're gonna look at changing at some point

[wet tulip]

when mounts do come out i agree

[cloud palm]

Anybody know what prism goes well for Garren?

[still violet]

Oh even before that, given how they're looking at pact abilities atm and builds, it's weird to have an ability that realistically can't be built into for active combat use

Especially with it being a Courage ability

[fallen orchid]

HAS ANYONE gotten the wizzard's robes to drop???

[wet tulip]

i look at it and i remember that old excalibur super jump from warframe xD

[still violet]

Excalibur super jump?

[cloud palm]

Its kinda only useful for travel atm

I did make a feedback thread for it, Orengall needs some help

[wet tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQTktEDE3CA

[still violet]

I wonder how difficult it would be to add the hold vs press mechanic from Warframe, maybe hold to transform and then press to just do a quick bite?

[cloud palm]

Funny enough thats what I suggested

Make middle click the instakill attack, left click a smaller sized attack that doesn't take you out of wolf form

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1472680433195028807

[still violet]

Could do like, you can press ability and you transform to do 1 quick bite without leaving your body vulnerable

[wet tulip]

why not make it a timed wolf mode for combat

instead of making it focus on travel more then combat. it can be limited to less time but it wont expire after the first attack ( and if you receive enough dmg you get kicked out of it)

[cloud palm]

And get rid of the "your envoy is vulnerable" part

Just make it turn to wolf and have damage not dispell it

Because if you get damaged while in wolf form you get taken out of it too

[wet tulip]

idk about dmg not dispel it making the wolf mode invincible isnt a great idea if anything wolf mode should have its own hp threshold

[cloud palm]

It is kinda annoying since you don't have a block or anything, one damage and it's gone

[velvet veldt]

I think it's obvious it's meant to be a stealth thing, not a combat thing

so I doubt they change it anyway that makes it more of a combat thing

I'd take the wolf form working on any mob including bosses. That'd be dandy imo

[still violet]

If it's meant to be stealth then it shouldn't be Courage lol

[narrow condor]

Blessed quick silver still not giving attunement? 🙁

[velvet veldt]

within the paradigm of what that pact has..yeah, courage fits.

[pseudo crane]

Blesseds I believe no longer give attunement

[velvet veldt]

I have no clue what joineries do. Just read that the stacking stuff got nerfed though. Fellust and feybault

[narrow condor]

Gildaur does.

[velvet veldt]

To be fair it was ridiculous

[pseudo crane]

it adds to what was already there

[narrow condor]

Both mora

[neat night]

anyone used the stat boosting potion before, how much they boost, how long they last ?

[velvet veldt]

I made them for the levels and never used them again. It's a ton of ingredients, imo anyway, for ..I think an hour of effect

[neat night]

yeah I was wonder

if I should stock these up or not

[velvet veldt]

I personally don't see the point. Honestly the game isn't hard enough for that. You might want to for giggles though, in case you run into hellmode one day

[wet tulip]

100% not worth the effort for them potions

[cloud palm]

Anyone know what virtues to aim for on Garren?

[wet tulip]

all pacts dont really need a specific virtue. you can go with any build that you think works for you

[mystic valley]

Do faction quests not show up automatically anymore?

[wet tulip]

if your build mostly revolves around abilities spirit i guess for faster cooldown

[wet tulip]

they appear on world trees

[wet tulip]

BUT spirit weapons aka (magick) in a bad spot rn after feybalt mega nerf

[mystic valley]

Ahhhh ty.

[narrow condor]

Yeah I spent 3 days ranking so I can get feybalt mora. Feels bad lmao

[wet tulip]

well the community is mad that they nerf magick weapons rn when bows and melee kinda doing more dmg xD

melee is understand able since you are close to the threat. but nerf magick weps before bows? that is kinda weird

[narrow condor]

true

[wet tulip]

either way most likely they will buff it a bit sooner or later

[narrow condor]

it feels like they thought the existence of feybalt is tied **exclusively **to fellust

[wet tulip]

i still dont understand why wont they make fellust work only on melee like it should

like its a fair trade off. you want extreme dmg bonus? get closer to the risk of taking dmg too

[narrow condor]

cant be more true 👆

[wet tulip]

unless im getting confused and its already for melee only since i do remember something like that on prior preludes version

cuz i remember the bows fellust cheese xD

[steel remnant]

Damn where can I get the green stuff looks op

[narrow condor]

its bugged rn, doesnt give attune

[steel remnant]

bruh

[velvet veldt]

Magick is fine. Just put gildaur and double the damage. But no, fellust and feybault won't pwn everything into oblivion anymore

People had to realize they were going to nerf that double stacking thing into the dirt

actually it was more like triple stacking because of the talisman etc

[dusty hare]

rip tethren

[narrow condor]

whats the point of feybalt now then

[dusty hare]

a memento

[narrow condor]

they have to buff it a bit

so it still has a use case over gildaur

[cloud palm]

Oh right

DE giga nerfed feybalt for no reason

And Courage is becoming meta again now

Thanks DE

[dusty hare]

Courage Oscelda is the way guys

[cloud palm]

I dont know man, the decision making and lack of communication from DE is mysterious at best

It feels like they actively go out of their way to forget everything they learned from WF

[lunar atlas]

how is magick fine with oscelda pure spirit? using a charge attack on wazzard of waste boss in cogah deals 1 damage 💀

idk if its a bug but i was playing in mp

[languid escarp]

yeah fellust needed the nerf but magik weapons already felt weak with the old feybalt to me

[red lake]

changes to fellust is fine, was stupid broken i mean what other skill deletes Vadagar Stag in 3 hits with a long blade? lol

[velvet veldt]

what level? I do chunk damage with oscelda on spirit/grace mix..Ranger? I think.

[earnest timber]

How many prisms are there total?

[lunar atlas]

pure magick oscelda shaman prism i think

17

[velvet veldt]

Feybault was amazing before, what are you comparing it to? Fellust with treefell or something?

[velvet veldt]

No I mean the level of the Wazard. It starts at 30 and ramps with anything you kill

at 70+ you mostly have to rely on fellust and smites, or did anyway on 12

[lunar atlas]

around 40

[velvet veldt]

yeah 40 shouldn't be that hard, that'd be like the 3rd boss on a run etc. No personal exp with it on 13 though. I was soloing cogah in pure ranger oscelda wyld, but just running around, so I can't say what the Wazzard would be like. Best you can do if things really seem unfair is make a feedback or add to what's already there. Because I bet it's already there haha

[lunar atlas]

Idk if the scaling gone wrong after the rework. All I did was support my bud with my healing and crowd controls coz I deal no damage.

I cant imagine soloing it with 1 damage per hit

[earnest timber]

Anyone know how many prisms there are total?

[velvet veldt]

I have 9 prisms

[earnest timber]

I got 11, and can get 1 more from Alcas children. Just wondering if there’s 12 total.

[keen river]

should be 12 total including the wyld prisms

[earnest timber]

Thank you sir

[velvet veldt]

Unless there are hidden ones, which would be cool, they are mostly behind the onclaves

there are wyld prisms? You mean pacts?

[keen river]

no, there are wyld prisms which come with the wyld pacts

[velvet veldt]

oh weird

[keen river]

they fall somewhere in between the basic and extreme prisms

so allocating MOST of your stats to the chosen virtue but still leaving a little bit for the other two

[earnest timber]

Yeah I think the best ones for most in one attribute are the ones you get from the factions level 3 I believe.

[ebon wraith]

Rank 4

[earnest timber]

ahhh

[keen river]

rank 2, unless they changed that. rank 4 is the dual prisms.

[earnest timber]

Appreciate the info

[narrow condor]

Does the polearm throw knockdown all agari without rune?

[velvet veldt]

Yeah I got the 12 now. Imo they should add something to them if they are supposed to be 'classes' - some associated perk

[unborn grail]

Did they say something about increasing the wazard armor rates or is it just a swap from erstroot to ode bow?

Cause that will be one easy bow to get otherwise

[mighty crystal]

how in the world do you increase your character rank? i genuinely dont remember lmao

idk if thats even what its called

[vagrant kayak]

Level up weapons and Pacts and find the lore motes around locations

[mighty crystal]

thank you!

[bleak hawk]

So uh, Im at the quest where you free Orengall's pups, in the underground cave; and Orengall just jumped on a heavy enemy and, well, bugged it under the ground.

Problem is that i can't find the key to the cage. Is there any chance that it was dropped by that enemy, and now its bugged under the map or somewherE?

[pallid sentinel]

What happened, why remove the hair from chest?!

Whait... lol. Why? xD

[quasi wolf]

Cus you sissies use bows instead of swords. There aight anything less manly than ranged weapons

(Joke xD)

[pallid sentinel]

For some reason hair is only in the blacksmith's set.

[bleak hawk]

I think this is the case, I've been walking everywhere in the "dungeon" and I still didn't find the key after that one enemy bugged under the map

[vagrant kayak]

Probably just the character models being updated in stages, I'm sure we'll get a body hair option/toggle/etc

[normal moss]

How do Virtues affect Pact abilities and Weapon "Pips"? I never really understood that part, even less with the new virtue system

[vagrant kayak]

Virtues will increase a weapon's damage based on its level of scaling

I believe (and this math may be wrong) that every pip scales at 0.5 damage per Virtue point
So 1 Courage scaling = 0.5 x (Courage), 2 would be 1 x (Courage), 3 would be 1.5 x (Courage) etc...

Virtues now scale the Pact ability they're matched with, so on Tethren for example Courage will scale Fellust, Spirit scales Call of Ancients and Grace scales Clash

[wet tulip]

i think so too. the more pips you got the less virtue points you need to reach the cap dmg of the weapon

[vagrant kayak]

How those scale now is a bit up in the air, but expect more damage, longer duration, more range, etc...

[wet tulip]

true its all speculation on how exactly virtues affect skills without official data

since it is very hard to test and point out with how each virtue point buffs said skills

[wet tulip]

Is it possible the boss hp is gray? If yes that means the boss armor nullifies your dmg and you need to use armor reducing totems

[austere lily]

is there any news on if premium currency will be tradeable

[tepid nexus]

Its planned to be like in Waframe but no news yet on when its coming

[austere lily]

fire

based de as always

[wet tulip]

yup no news on when trading system will be released since the game is still fighting with dupe bugs

[austere lily]

awesome

[lunar atlas]

ikr but it was red HP

[wet tulip]

if hp was red while you had your magick weapon out it could be a bug since you shouldnt deal 1 dmg xD

i know you deal super low dmg only if the targets hp is gray with armor protection

[lunar atlas]

yea for sure it was a bug

[ebon wraith]

Bugs in bugframe? No way

[wooden lotus]

Hi, why i need more space in inventory for weapon ?...

Can i get more space withtout paying real money ?..

[wet tulip]

its the same system from warframe. slots are limited

if you dont want to buy more slots your only choice is sell what you dont use to open up the space

at least that is the jig right now. when trading will come ( which we dont know when ) you could use grind to get premium currency for free by selling things to other players

[wooden lotus]

Ok ty

Can we get this armor free in the game, or its only foundator ?

[tepid nexus]

They will be grindable eventually but not yet

[wet tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ yup at a later date

since DE stated there wont be anything exclusive in this game

[tepid nexus]

Game is still in pre alpha so they need to add more content to populate it with loot drops

[wooden lotus]

Ty all

[tepid nexus]

The armor from founders is not very good anyway

And there are a lot better weapons as well

[slender saddle]

The talisman, motif and sparrow should be exclusive, as well as paragon sword which only founders will be able to craft & sell as far as I know (with their name on it)

[wet tulip]

cosmetics yes

actually game useable items DE said wont be exclusive

[slender saddle]

Yup, which makes sense to give everyone equal chances for higher mastery

But it's still nice to have some small early cosmetic exclusives

I wish it was armour skin but that's probably too much to ask for now

[wet tulip]

pure cosmetics i agree

but since armor pieces now have stats we know where this is going xD

im sure DE will add pure armor skins later for premium currency like in warframe though. ( since fashion frame wont go anywhere with our community)

[knotty imp]

we also need like waaaaay more color palettes, current selection is not enough

[wet tulip]

i agree idk why DE went with the limited color choices instead of like the big color palettes in warframe

since i think its kinda the same to implement the same coloring system

even if it will be behind a paywall

[knotty imp]

still unclear if all future palettes will be for $ or some will still be farmable, like the current ones

[wet tulip]

yea guess time will tell

[lunar atlas]

did 9 organs today guess what, its still all erstroot weapon 😭

drop rate so low probably DE forcng us just buy the waste wear bundle for our own sanity

[wet tulip]

soon you will have bunch of this and most likely low armor drop chances anyways xD

[lunar atlas]

atleast its a new hybrid courage bow, im all down for it

[wet tulip]

the timing couldnt be more ironic. nerf feybalt and release a new bow xD

[lunar atlas]

never tried feybalt coz its drop rate for me is sh*t

[wet tulip]

ikr why i had to get mine by spending enclave standing

[lunar atlas]

big oof man

[wet tulip]

well its a 1 day worth of standing so i wouldnt think its that bad

[lunar atlas]

i dont have the time to grind all 16k for 1 joinery

[wet tulip]

aka 16k

[lunar atlas]

ah yea the max cap per day

[dawn arrow]

I had 1 feybalt for the longest time, I dont know what happened but after the hotfix yesterday I got 1 per crypt t3 tale.

Polished not blessed. Blessed is another story 😛

[vital sable]

gotta love when this happens

[dull spire]

I have a small digression about faction tales. I see many feedback saying that tree as place for tales destroyed fun of exploring and also output of getting experience.
Playing P13 i can't agree. I know where i want to start looking for them, as im doing 2/3T sometimes i guided to another tree or will come back. Its close enough to one or another. I had many times previously that ghost dont spawn or needed to get back trough encounters i done or i need to travel long enough to it to appear that was frustrating. Now im not missing quests and is easiest to decide to do higher tiers and not by exploring only T1 appearing on my way looking for them.

[slim portal]

i got an idea, what if the teleportation from tree to tree was free but teleporting directly to tree only costed wevetseeds?

[wet tulip]

its a 50/50 since if i want to farm only T3 tales i cant because of the long cooldown which forces me to relog

[slim portal]

like if you are already interacting with a tree, you should be able to teleport to other ones

[slim portal]

it also made the progression very slow compared to before

[dawn arrow]

Or just make Weveseeds as a very rare possible plant that you can harvest, that will kinda boost exploration a little no?

[slim portal]

pre P13 i could go long sessions and farm both standing and stuff

[wet tulip]

especially since 80% of the T3 send you to dungeons xD

[slim portal]

now i get bored very fast because i have to either go back to the tree, re log or teleport there

i dont know who made this change, but that person defintely have not played tales at all

no offense, but i dont have any other idea why would someone implement it this way

[slim portal]

yesterday i made a small test

out of 55 relogs i only got 2 bannerets T3, all other T3 tales were dungeon related

[wet tulip]

oh boi so its much much worse then 80% i said

[dull spire]

I think thats something that maybe is gonna be when having a larger maps, more regions 🤔 For now im having a blast traveling

[slim portal]

depending on your luck the dungeon rate is close to 90 to 95%

[wet tulip]

very very sadge indeed

they really should just split normal T3 to T3+ that you know will send you to dungeons

hence longer mission but you know the reward is better

[slim portal]

they could've kept the old system and added this on top of it

[dawn arrow]

Honestly, I like the system way better than p12 once i got used to it and I do feel im getting enclave points faster than before.
I felt the need for weveseeds when I was farming the Organ though

[slim portal]

i used to get around 16k per sessions around 3 hour

around 3 hour i explored 4 dungeons yesterday

im not saying you are wrong

[dull spire]

But how it works to previously travel to T3 ghost and seeing that it annoying dungeon you dont want? It was more frustrating that going to tree and oh, i dont have nice t3 so i will still be doing something else guiding me to other tree like t1/2

[lunar atlas]

I wished cogah have faction tales

[slim portal]

different experiences per person, but i personally find it very bad

[dull spire]

I think that would be the best

[slim portal]

previously the generaton of tales were around your location

you could very precisely generate the same tale most of the time if you stayed on the same location

[dawn arrow]

Well here is what I do and I was kinda enjoying it, if I feel the t3 available is too much, I take t2 and usually by finishing t2 i am near a new tree

[slim portal]

the problem is that im already done with all the enclaves and factions

there are t3 related rewards

which you gotta either farm or buy them with arcs

[wet tulip]

yup sometimes you do T3 not just for the standing but for the rng rewards you got no control over

aka the new sea staff

[slim portal]

i really love de and both of their games but they always were like this, the drop problems also persist with the organ too

i'm being more understanding since it's alpha

and give them time to re consider it

[lunar atlas]

i like this idea actually, or they should add an item from faction npc (rank 3 maybe) that can increases wevetseeds yield per 12 hrs. Probably some soil item

[shell tartan]

Having a problem completing the Siege of Curlail in P13. Completed loads of times in P12, now trying to complete while ranking up my Wylde-Oscelda and cant complete as their isnt a lit brazier for me to light the torch from in the tower that has the balloon tethered.Tried today after the hotfix and its the same. Did the completion requirment change?

[slim portal]

a qol feature should not be tied to a time limited resource

in that matter they simply dont respect your time

if my goal is to gather stuff i will go running, if my goal is to rush cogah run i want speed

i dont understand why we cant have both

[dawn arrow]

But in loot games some items to have very low drops need to happen? I remember Diablo 4, you can play a whole season without ever seeing an uber legendary item drop lol

[slim portal]

DE is very experienced in this matter, WF is a very polished game and they have a big data regarding gameplay choices and player needs

yet again they choose this method

[dull spire]

Fire is on lower floor

[slim portal]

well, this is not diablo nor poe

i'm not saying rare stuff should not exist

there should be a pity system

[shell tartan]

Thankyou.. I will have a look.... cheers

[dull spire]

Stairs down from tower with baloon 😅 i was struck by change also

[lunar atlas]

i mean its just a band aid fix for wevetseed yieldings for time being

[dawn arrow]

The only reason i might agree on this because in SF leveling weapons is tied to leveling your overall envoy level. Otherwise, as a developer if i am giving an option to spend arcs to get the item right away, I wouldn't consider a pity system.

[wet tulip]

ngl i prefer to be rewarded the seeds from the tales themself. hence when i finish a tale i get a free taxi back to the tree to get another tale if i want to. and if i dont i simply hoard the seeds for a later use

instead of needing to wait for so long for 1 seed

[dull spire]

Is it posible for them to do it like this just for a sake of us playing more before we get everything and loose interest? They want to test game 😅

[slim portal]

if a pity system is a marketpalce purchase then there is something wrong with it

i'm saying this as someone who loves to spend money on games

i could simply buy everything from the marketplace and not play the game till the next update, what's the point in that though?

[finite stone]

But Warframe uses pity systems, even though it gives the option to spend 'arcs' (plat) to get the item right away. What's the difference here?

[dawn arrow]

Actually thats the reason i am not buying any item other than slots even though i do have good amount of arcs. But this might change as they add more features to the game.

[slim portal]

there is no difference

[shell tartan]

Thanks.. thought I was missing something...

[finite stone]

I completely agree. And Soulframe already has a pity system @dawn arrow - Basker's Wrest is also sold for standing, so that every run that you don't get a frag, you're still progressing towards it, and that's why it doesn't feel bad.

But Seacrest, Wazzard armour, if you don't get a frag then you've just lost all the time spent. Nothing was actually progressed

[slim portal]

you said it very clearly, a grind has to have a progression

if it's pure rng, it's not grind but gamble

[dawn arrow]

Basker's Wrest can actually drop?👀

[finite stone]

exactly yeah, just some form of progression that goes upwards as you grind. Could be standing, could be ode infamy, could be some form of resource. There has to be something so people don't feel their time is wasted when the 'big drop' doesn't come many times in a row

[smoky crater]

It can yes

[slim portal]

and im openly criticzin DE on this matter because they already experienced this with WF

if they are repeating it again i can openly say they are doing it on purpose

and i dont like it

i don't want the stuff to be served on silver platter, but i simply ask for the game to respect my time

i guess most people would agree on this

[dawn arrow]

Speaking of which, what does Ode Infamy do?

[slim portal]

nothing, for now.

[finite stone]

✨ nothing! 😄

[slim portal]

it will probably work like wanted meter

[wet tulip]

it just makes the ode more angry but all bark no bite for now xD

[slim portal]

the higher it is, the higher chances of spawning stornger enemies, ambushes etc

that's my prediction

[smoky crater]

Kinda what DE also said about it when it was introduced

[wet tulip]

i see them putting ode hunters like the warframe grustrag 3 and zanuka

[slim portal]

probably, or it could be similar to that assasin's creed origins thing

was it on origins or odyssey

that very high level enemies could hunt you

i dont remmeber

[dawn arrow]

In the end, that is why I dont buy early access games because "everything is subject to change" or in development, SF was the exception to the rule for me. I feel once a game fully releases that is a different story.

[wet tulip]

yeah i already see it. you run around map. poof the cage spawns with a ambush and the ode hunter spawns too

[finite stone]

yeah that was awesome, it was in odyssey and was kinda like lich system where they had personalities

[slim portal]

maybe a collector like thing comes down from the sky, airdrops high level enemies

they openly hunt you XD

[slim portal]

you are correct, SF was also my exception

[slender saddle]

Life steal means +4% hp on hit right?

[wet tulip]

i think 4% of the dmg you deal

[dawn arrow]

Game design wise, I remember playing a mobile game in the past in which they had a nice mode system. You equip your items that you like but also in this mode you can load x of items in your inventory to increase overall power. So all the items you collected and leveled up they are still useful.

[wet tulip]

not trying to sound critical but aint mastery lvl doing that?

all the items you lvled up accumulate exp which gives you more virtue points to make your current build stronger

[dawn arrow]

You are correct, and that is a good thing.
I am not saying SF should do this, I was just thinking out loud of a system that grabbed my attention

[wet tulip]

you aint wrong. continuous progress does give that feel of accomplishment. without feeling that you start from scratch

[scenic solar]

As someone who likes the magic weapons, not even getting 1 fragment for the new staff is annoying me...

Especially since they have arbitrary lockout durations from running the drop source again..

[wet tulip]

make sure you check your inventory. sometimes that fragment name show up briefly on the reward screen and you miss it

[scenic solar]

Done like 8 organs, gotten the new splitswords once, the rest being the mendicant staff, ernstroot or whatever

[wet tulip]

the organ loot table getting changed soon imo wait for it

[scenic solar]

where was the splitsword moved too?

[wet tulip]

have fun and good luck

[scenic solar]

ah okay, time to stop wasting time with the organs for a bit then

[slim portal]

okay wait

[wet tulip]

fyi im not sure if you farmed where but the new seathorn staff comes from T3 tales

[slim portal]

now this is a good change

[scenic solar]

now remove the thawtide weapons from kabocha, put them on T3 overworld bannettes

[slim portal]

if i can get all 3 tales in 1 go it's very nice

[wet tulip]

it does sound great but if all tales forces you to travel far that can be a bit time wasting

[dawn arrow]

I wonder how will the map markers be like, wouldn't be a bit messy?

[slim portal]

they changed the tales to be kind of closer

[wet tulip]

most likely each tale will take you to a different direction

[slim portal]

they could intriduce different colors for each tale

[wet tulip]

why i said travel far

not the tale itself but from tale to tale

[slim portal]

mos of the tales spawn in cicular manner, so you could start from one direction t ogo another

[dawn arrow]

ahhh i forgot you can actually choose which tale to track in the journal

I suspect tracking 1 at a time is the way to go but having them all on map with different colors would be nice

[scenic solar]

yep, now 12/2 on the Ernstroot staff

(figured I'd do the organ right by weaver)

[scenic rapids]

hi guys i forget my password is the reset sistem dont working?

[knotty moon]

If so you might want to contact support.
https://support.soulframe.com/hc/en-us

[wet tulip]

oh new loading screen

unless its the older one which i never noticed xD

[violet sand]

Any wizard builds?

[finite stone]

nah this is the older one

[kind roost]

what would you guys recommend for totems and rune on short blade with mockery armor grace melee

[wet tulip]

flitsmoke no doubt

[kind roost]

need to get that using flame one

[wet tulip]

as for totems focus smite chance and anti armor

[amber bolt]

"Reduced frequency of votives ending in dungeons!"
"YAY finally I can..."

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cameo-anthony-anderson-well-what-do-we-have-here-tOUneJ972Lgb88SSU4

[vague sorrel]

Am I going to remove attunement blessing by reforging? I'm confused

[wet tulip]

you can have only 1 joinery active

but yes some reforges are bugged

so imo if you see something wrong dont continue with it xD

this really does feel like winning the lottery

[vestal crystal]

Isn’t that a dungeon? It will take you 100km away from that world tree

[fluid ravine]

How do you guys deal with the Vadagar Bear's rolling jump slam attack

[clear vessel]

Uhh is the Dawn pendant bugged?

It was glowing at 29mins till night but no ghost spawned.

Also I didn't do a ghost in the same day night cycle

[wet tulip]

pretty sure you are lucky there are no cat omen beasts yet or it would have pushed you off the ledge by now

[clear vessel]

Worth it for the pact tho.

[novel stump]

That one can be kinda buggy sometimes, you just have to try some stuff to get it to spawn eventually in my experience

[clear vessel]

Ooh like what

[novel stump]

Hmm, probably stuff like popping out of a dungeon at the right time, seeing if relogging a bit beforehand helps, all that

It's stuff that I tried anyway

[clear vessel]

Also does ping (redacted lmao) it up, cuz I was at a 400 ping host at the time.

[novel stump]

I don't think it would? Idk there

[ruby girder]

You guys think other “prime” pacts will also be called “Wyld” or will sets of them have different prefixes like Umbra, Tenent, etc…
The Paragon talisman and several other places refers to “Wyldlings three” as if Wyld is possibly a term specifically for the three we have.

[novel stump]

They'll probably be Wyld too, unless we have a variant of the Umbra situation on our hands

[ruby girder]

Like Omen Bromius/ Garren Rude for example

[sly escarp]

They have already said there are plans for Orengall Wyld, so at the very least it's the currently planned name. Might change down the line but imo unlikely for consistency's sake.

[ruby girder]

I think it would be cool if we had several different prefixes depending on the sources of pacts
Omen - Bromius, Garren Rude, Orengall
Sworn - Moras Hand, Oden Tenpest

[novel stump]

It'd be cool, but also confusing to lots of people

[still violet]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ode Tempest get Wyld Tempest, where it's less Ode based

[lone iris]

Has the issue with bear and stag not spawning during the day been fixed?

[ruby girder]

I think the issue is votives that fight them spawn during the day lol

But idk

[clear vessel]

ah so its not relogging during the time window, aight!

[clear vessel]

ye i got a t3 that made em spawn in the day now

rather than having to wait 30 mins

[novel stump]

Like I said, any number of things could do it but either way that it happens, good luck on getting it eventually ^^

[sly escarp]

They at least tried to fix them not spawning for Votives based on the patch notes, haven't tested if it worked properly

[amber bolt]

:,1

This doesn't seem decreased chances of votive dungeons 🥲

[normal moss]

Well it does say "reduced frequency" not "completely", but I also think it feels like nothing changed. We just unlucky ig

[amber bolt]

Gonna accept a third rank 3 votive but if it's another dungeon I'll either take a rest or start farming some brass instead XD

Thirc Circade votive :,3

[clear vessel]

Oh that's what it is? Yeah I've also gotten tired of dungeons

Assumed that it was like each tree has a fixed 3 quests

[gleaming mauve]

hey we are go to gain a codex? To know mastared arms?

[tepid nexus]

Wylds are primordial ones or rather first users of pacts. Its not restricted to original three

[full hearth]

I asked them about a profile system and they answered during a devstream

We will get it, eventually.

For now though we will just have to memorize what's been mastered, or keep a list of them.

[upper parrot]

Damn I so hate Crypt of Circada tales 😭 I also not really sure I like new tales system, aside from bigger levels.

[full hearth]

Here's the exact answer they gave https://www.youtube.com/live/8VBPQdbrxKI?si=1U9nL3Q0lmkMWex_&t=3969

[finite stone]

<@&1154466146741932193> (also in gathering, spoiler, creations, emojis)

[thorn oasis]

Ready the ban-hammer! (Blessed by Mora)

[vital sable]

I'm free..

i never want to see these ever again

[limber sundial]

Are 3 star weapons generally always stronger than 1 star weapons?

[half talon]

Meanwhile I'm missing 1/2, 1/4, and ??/??

[novel stump]

Typically so, that and they have higher damage caps

[vital sable]

trunks are 3

[drifting dagger]

Ten swords dropping from gourdo and kaboha? Because I've already killed 50 of them and not a single fragment.

[limber sundial]

Gotcha, thanks. For mage weapons, how would I potentially want to set up joineries? I'm just learning about this system and it seems like it adds one more level of virtue compatibility. I guess lean into the strengths and add a level of the most virtue points that I have?

[novel stump]

There's a number of small issues rn and there were recent nerfs to feybalt, so people are still figuring out what's the best and seeing how the hotfixes go. Stuff is always subject to change so keep that in mind.

That being said, Gildaur with the blessing of your choosing is looking the best rn until they tune the Feybalt one correctly

Also correct on leaning into the strengths part

[limber sundial]

Gotcha, thanks.

I'm hoping to pick up the special mage rune so I can chuck it onto a staff. Getting new gear has been very slow for me so I'm still using the default Wyld Oscelda gear lol.

[novel stump]

It's a long grind to properly get what you need, but it's a good time once you get there

Plus the staff runes are decent and who knows, maybe the joineries and all that will be settled by the time you reach the point where you'd want them on everything

[limber sundial]

Yeah, biggest pain point is materials and blueprints

Probably just need to be patient and keep chipping away at it. I don't play for lengthy sessions admittedly, which doesn't help.

[novel stump]

Yep, it's basically just getting everything you need gradually and eventually you'll have more than enough for whatever you want to build

[arctic cedar]

It should also bear drops it now

[limber sundial]

It has been quite boring to play a mage thus far. I started Oscelda, then also picked up Wyld Oscelda, assuming I'd have the other pacts by now, and uh, I don't lol.

So my gameplay has been the same for about 15-20 hours now. LMB spam with the occasional spell.

[finite stone]

what's stopping you from grabbing the other pacts?

[lament path]

Probably the material grind / faction grind

[limber sundial]

Materials. Slow to get them, is all. Or some of them are locked behind the faction system and I've not liked those at all lol.

[lament path]

It takes a lot of materials like gossamer or pearls

[finite stone]

Fair, I can't remember how many resources the other two starter pacts need but assume those might be easier than omen pacts etc

[limber sundial]

The pearls have been a bit of a pain to find. I've been walking along rivers every now and then and picking up a piece or two. I do know that you can eventually just buy the pearls from the faction vendor but uh, that'd need me to grind out the faction bounties.

[lament path]

I visit avakots shop whenever I can

[novel stump]

That's basically going to be the main thing you'll want to do atm, is grind materials while doing faction tales

[limber sundial]

Yeah. My gameplay for now is log in, do two Organ fights, then log out so I can wait out that cooldown.

Kinda want those new robes lol. The Wazzard set. Feels very hedge mage-y.

[half talon]

Not 3?

[grizzled wharf]

Pearls are also dropped by the bigger ode guys sometimes

[half talon]

You're neglecting at least 1 organ regularly?

[lament path]

Avakot helps especially only metals and quartz. Wazzard is finally a nice set of robes

[limber sundial]

Oh, there's 3? Dang. I didn't know that. I found one in the north west and one in the south east.

[lament path]

Probably east organs-

[half talon]

Two in SE

[sly escarp]

Been seeing reports each Organ can only drop one of the parts as well

[half talon]

Ew...

[lament path]

Oh huh, I thought if you only did 2 you would do both of them in SE since it is less travel than the north west corner

[sly escarp]

NE is Helmet, middle is Chest, and Southmost is legs

[half talon]

South has been hating me especially then.

[lament path]

This might actually be true since I got three robes in a row from one tower in a share

[limber sundial]

Oh boy. Alright. That does help. It takes me five to six minutes to walk across the whole map to get to the north one lol.

[half talon]

1/2 helm, 3/4 chest, 0/? leggings

[novel stump]

Ngl, I'd be okay with that if the drop rates come right. Makes it easier to grind the frags you'd need

[sly escarp]

/3 leggings

[humble night]

I've gotten zero wazzard fragments for anything after dozens of organ runs. just not dropping for me at all

[half talon]

Since yesterday's hotfix I've gotten 13/13 erstroot

[limber sundial]

I'm guessing I may want to hold off on Organ farming in that case. I did three and got three Erstroot parts thus far. If the Wazzard pieces are bugged or have low drop rates that is.

[novel stump]

They're borderline non-existent rn unless you do actual hundreds of them, so definitely just wait

[arctic cedar]

Samee, 12/12 🥲

[lament path]

Preserve your sanity for now

[half talon]

They are going to be adding a bow, so...you know, that'll be worth the wait

[vital sable]

i can quite cofidently confirm this with my own drops. to the point i have 4 extra helmets and i stopped from the NW one

[humble night]

only thing I have left to farm is Organs. nothing else left to farm for for me right now

[arctic cedar]

They need to hotifx the hotfix

[half talon]

It dropped less that 24 hours ago. Give the team time to breathe

[limber sundial]

I'll probably do some leveling of the Erstroot while doing some faction bounties and at least make a bit of progress there while they address stuff related to the Organ.

[vital sable]

i bet you are missing 1 thing
3 Uncommon Duck Totems for Shield

[peak blade]

My life for a pure Courage Bow or Staff

[grizzled wharf]

To completionist a build like this will burn out rather fast, for sure

[limber sundial]

Thanks for all the tips. It's been very slow going for me and I frankly haven't played all that much despite downloading this game basically as soon as it had a downloadable client lol.

[half talon]

I'm still missing my tunneler rat and I've been salty about it for a few months now...\

[grizzled wharf]

Still, things to do.

[humble night]

maybe, but unlikly.

[vital sable]

thats weird, when i farmed my rats i didnt have a problem with tunneler

[novel stump]

If you want a mage set, you're probably better off getting the steelsinger set for now. It's good metal farming too

[vital sable]

I wonder if it got bugged between patches then

[lament path]

Bisc seems good for brass yeah

[limber sundial]

Will look into that, thanks

[vital sable]

very likely actually, cuz its been bugged more less ever since totems got added

[half talon]

Yeah a few friends of mine have no problem. Me? They flee from me like I'm carrying the plague...

[arctic cedar]

Tbh if I can suggest one more thing I would focus on getting weapons, not pacts, weapons means levels and variety. When you get enough levels and weapons pacts are kinda... Just there

Sometimes I don't even use abilities lol

[vital sable]

maybe you are the rat they are spooked by you

[humble night]

well, good thing I have no interest in play shields then 😂

[vital sable]

its specifically the throwing one, which means no funny cap america builds for shields for now

[arctic cedar]

Speaking of I am manifesting a shield speciality or skill or special shield? where shield can bounce off enemies and comeback

[vital sable]

honestly, it should be a shield art, but could also be a rune
But imo, Weapon Arts should be more like that

[limber sundial]

I wonder if there are any plans for the mage weapons to have the equivalent of status effects in the future. It's a bit strange to have them all seemingly just be visually different but mechanically identical. A fire staff is the same as the ice staff and so on.

[vital sable]

I've have this idea where magick arts should get the "Grounded" node, but make it decay on movement instead of fully dissepearing
then branch into: Stand still for more changes which now scale dmg / Charges now make charge attacks faster and increases charged dmg

and replace their kicks with "elemental bashes" which would inflict their dmg type, like Bask would proc fire type deal

[novel stump]

Elemental stuff might be something for later on in development

[humble night]

I imagine status effects and DoT effects will eventually be a thing. I can't see that being something they leave out of the game

we do have a slow effect already, not that it does much but it does exist

[limber sundial]

Fingers crossed eh, there's a lot of development to do after all so I'm quite curious to see what they do over time. Warframe's basically entirely different from back in the day when I started playing it. Don't see why Soulframe might not adopt a similar kind of drive to evovle over time.

[slender saddle]

Will I get kicked if I afk in nightfold?

[humble night]

and bannerettes already have a fire DoT status effect. so the system exists in the game already, just not an on any player weapons yet

[half talon]

Should be fine. I spend hours accidentally logged in

[slender saddle]

Great, ty

[arctic cedar]

Just like most of the weapons tbh... I really hope I will be reworked for more diversity bc i don't know what is the point of getting so mang weapons that hits exactly the same

I think from swords only Nurash and Dewelion have different attacks? From other weapons I don't even know everything looks pretty much the same?

[coral kite]

yeahh

I got a lot of my mats from doing crypts breaking everything

that strat was nerfed alr but its still a good source of mats

[half talon]

The mockery weapons also do not allow you to swing and negate fall damage

[coral kite]

yep

[half talon]

(unless that was fixed)

[coral kite]

havent tested but prob wasnt

I thought it was on purpose lol

[half talon]

They are firmly rooted heh

[coral kite]

lmao

[arctic cedar]

I thought it's on purpose too lol

[humble night]

TBF, swinging to negate fall dmg doesnt seem right for the game anyway

[sly escarp]

Nope, imo it's likely not a bug

Cursed sword

[half talon]

Cursed indeed trying to get to drop originally

[limber sundial]

Ah, so the runes I'd want for the mage staves both come from the Wazzard boss up north?

That makes sense lol.

[coral kite]

this is my reasoning aswell

[coral kite]

I dont remember tbh

but one of the runes only drops in cogah

[dusty hare]

Rip magick

[sly escarp]

Wazzard is in the south

He drops both of the Magick runes, one in normal and one is Cogah

[limber sundial]

Is he? Wasn't he part of the Bromius fable?

[sly escarp]

Yes, but that spawn is taken by a different world boss post quest

Wraith of Wastes, the Agari versio of the Wazzard boss, is in the South, by where the Brewer of Hues fable was

[limber sundial]

Ah okay, the wiki seems to be out of date in that case.

[novel stump]

Are you by chance using the fextralife wiki? Or some other one?

[limber sundial]

wiki dot avakot dot org. Just putting it this way in case there's any rules against sharing links.

[long grove]

if there were, that certainly wouldn't get past it 💀

[novel stump]

Ah, the avakot one is mostly up to date, but there's two different versions of the same wazzard in game

[long grove]

but yeah, https://wiki.avakot.org/

[novel stump]

There's a quest wazzard and an agari wazzard

[coral kite]

lmao

the mods here dont mind it

[limber sundial]

Oh, I've been looking at the quest version in that case. My bad.

[coral kite]

afaik

they dont like self promotion tho

[gilded seal]

I swear to god the wazzard armour set is impossibl to get, must of done at least 20 organs and only got one fragment so far

[sly escarp]

wiki.avakot.org

Avakot wiki is a whitelisted link, no need to do the spacing

[limber sundial]

Gotcha, just wanted to be safe lol.

[full hearth]

[finite stone]

Whereabouts?

[finite stone]

Ohh nvm, yeah you wanna look at https://wiki.avakot.org/Wraith_of_Wastes for its drops. It does say in the Wazzard's description:

[manic tiger]

Is there a penalty for reporting a bug that someone has already reported-? I think ive come across a pretty common bug but it's hilarious

[sly escarp]

No penalty for informing the devs a bug still exists!

[knotty moon]

Give a search of https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788, if you don't find it, make a thread, if you find it but have more info add to it.

[manic tiger]

Okay ty!

Wait can I send the video here? 💀

Its funny lol I have birds of destruction that never dissappear

[knotty moon]

Yep, but unless you have nitro they have to be a bit short, or compressed.

[sly escarp]

If you're reporting a bug, #1438224825113120788 is best. If you're wanting to share a funny video of something, you can do it here

Hmm. Seems they might need to nerf Vernal Pool

[manic tiger]

I was laughing so hard till the lag hit me into the floor😭

That's around like 20 uses of the birds stacked I think

[narrow condor]

does soulframe recognize mouse button 4 and 5

[knotty moon]

Yeah, I use them a lot.

[hazy elbow]

Amy one got an efficient way to grind standing

[knotty moon]

Wait till they implement the medalions, then murderhobo your way across Midrath.

[turbid stirrup]

Yeah, since the update I can't figure out how to do faction quests? Are there still tales or is there some other mechanic?

[pine gate]

hey guys why do pact abilities have virtues connected to them? does focusing on a courage prism make picktrix for example stronger?

[knotty moon]

Yes.

[visual radish]

They are on the world trees now

[narrow condor]

you got a link for discord for soulframe community server?

[knotty moon]

For a non-jokey answer: The Trees on the northeast should have lvl 30-40 Tales, go between the two and do Tales.

[hazy elbow]

Oh thanks for the tip

[turbid stirrup]

Is there a new menu for the trees, I only saw the message board when I went before?

[pine gate]

other side of the tree

[visual radish]

Look for the eye symbol on the rope tied to the tree

[turbid stirrup]

Ah... Thanks to both of you!

[blissful flower]

Doing a lot t2 and 3 quest up north

[kind roost]

since i went pure grace would rivt-II be better than royal thines with 2 grace 2 magic

[empty rapids]

i don't really know much about the game but if u go 100% for grace look for a weapon who needs grace to be played i think it'll still be the best choice

[azure bear]

how often does the avakot restock

I'm looking for leather patches

[whole monolith]

do u still ne to go north to get max faction rep ??

[empty rapids]

north = best lvl tales = more xp i guess

[quasi wolf]

does ember from mora's hand count as being on fire (to activate the passive)

[finite stone]

It's on https://wiki.avakot.org/Avakot:

[long grove]

you can select any item in their store to see the countdown to refresh too

[visual radish]

Aside from what drackore mentioned, avakot has a timer on their store

[azure bear]

thanks g

there should be a toggle to leave the compass permanently on

or js the ui in general

[long grove]

there is

in accessibility

can just search compass in settings too

[azure bear]

huh last time I checked this didn't exist
was this always there

[half talon]

They added it a few updates back.

[azure bear]

checks out

[half talon]

Same with the crosshair always visible

[lean prawn]

Haven't tested those two specifically but so far every short blade I've run with mixed virtues does more damage with just max grace vs any combo...though in some cases its been a couple points.

[iron nimbus]

Is it me or the Totems that add more defenses no longer apply?

[long grove]

grace currently scales more per point than others. nobody knows if this is intentional or not

[kind roost]

i'll check the dmg on them when they are at same lvl finally got all the fragments for direskull pendant as well so i can get grace to 30 or take points off from pact still crafting thines and pendant atm

[lean prawn]

I thought that was mentioned in one of the dev streams as intentional, not sure the degree. This was my theory why grace outscales any hybrid virtue value. I've not tested this scientifically nor compared to other hybrid weapons because I only have a couple of those leveled up (I mainly played bow before so have a couple daggers and bows leveled)

[whole monolith]

how do i farm t3 in p13 do i still need to wait for it to spawn or does it have something to do with the world tree

*tree's

[long grove]

yeah they spawn at world trees, if you just completed one you can wait for them to respawn or do a t2 while you wait

ofc can always relog, go back to tree

[lean prawn]

There's no combat logging right? How are people testing things like damage scaling beyond "That number looks bigger"

[long grove]

you can enable damage numbers in settings

Also you can relog in combat

[lean prawn]

Oh I didn't realize that.

[kind roost]

which bow is best i usually use fully charged shots mixed with arrow rain and got mockery set on till i get orengall

i read somewhere that maestro is best for charge shot is it still the case ?

[long grove]

starling then juniper

[lean prawn]

Was using Maestro before P13 because I like running a spirit oscelda bow. Since P13 the Starling has been best but leveling Blitzel now. Do not have Juniper yet

Maestro is not best with pure Grace, starling outdamages it noticeable when running full grace prisim.

[kind roost]

i maxed juniper 108 216 with 26 grace 3 spirit 2 courage

[long grove]

those three are pretty much very close tho

[kind roost]

i'll finish maxing maestro almost there at 27 does almost the same amount as juniper

[lean prawn]

I need to get juniper

[kind roost]

better get to singing than 😄

[proud compass]

After p13 update to joineries, are blessed joineries still resetting weapon level ?

[whole monolith]

can only one tree have quest or do multiple tree's have quest

[long grove]

yes, they still reset

[long grove]

at this time, one. but soon they'll let you pick up multiple at once.

[whole monolith]

so i have to go back to the same tree every time to get t3

[subtle plinth]

Each tree has a quest. I'd suggest optimizing your run by building the most efficient route

[dusty hare]

Grace Oscelda?

[subtle plinth]

You can visit different trees depending on how close they are after completing the previous T3

And as mentioned before, later you will be able to accept multiple missions (votives) at a time

[lean prawn]

Fun. Bow+Clivers or Dagger feels great. Stone+Headshot or Birds+stab finisher. Heal up and repeat. Love it.

[azure bear]

the bear is by far my favorite quest and boss
granted I haven't done too much yet

[mighty crystal]

oh man i just realized they added the character creator stuff but oh man..... why the hair so atrocious ;-;

[dawn maple]

Is anyone having freezing problems in endless missions?

[fathom elm]

any1 mind sharing a cogah potion

[placid condor]

I know the crafting/gear system is heavily inspired by the bones of Warframe, but do yall feel like Pacts should be craftable or just earnable?
I'm new to the game so forgive my ignorance, but the vibe I get from the game and when you save/help nature and the Omen Beasts makes me feel like they should be "earned" rather than crafted.

[arctic cedar]

So you mean shouldn't be craftable?

[lethal herald]

Does anyone have any key for the game?

[placid condor]

I edited my post slightly to make more sense lol but yes

[placid condor]

I don't but I'll be getting the Founders Pack tomorrow, so if you still need one by tomorrow DM me and I gotchu homie

[arctic cedar]

I'd prefer if it was only from quests, especially given the waiting time and exp required to get it...

[lethal herald]

ty so much <333

[arctic cedar]

But like lore wise tbh idc 😅

[long grove]

it'll always be craftable, since it's a sense of time progression that separates it from just buying it from the market. tbh lowkey supported by tales, as they each end with only a vision of you in their weapons/armor. as if it's more knowledge of their power, rather than the power itself.

[placid condor]

That is what I was thinking too! Just seemed weird to craft. I understand crafting everything else just not those.

[arctic cedar]

It was kinda killing me when I got the pact and was excited just to wait 23 hours

[placid condor]

That makes sense. I guess in that same sense I feel it should be entirely earnable vs purchasable and craftable.

[arctic cedar]

I want my instant gratification

[long grove]

fair we've all been there

[placid condor]

That's what I just ran into with Garren... 😅😭

[arctic cedar]

NGL I used arcs on Bromius

Just to find out I absolutely hate it

[long grove]

market strategy so you spend arcs rushing it

[placid condor]

I'm VERY forgetful though so make sure you DM me lol

[long grove]

pfff

[placid condor]

I used it for a medallion because I got a glaive and the virtue system told me to suck an egg w/o 16 courage lol

[arctic cedar]

Prisms are pissing me of. It doesn't change when you play around and stay in the menu

Only after you re-enter it updates virtues for me

So it's showing 16 but when I re-enter it's 22

🫠

[long grove]

only seen that cuz of swapping pacts, not prisms

but that was an issue before p13 too

[arctic cedar]

Oh yeah, pacts sorry

It was but I didn't expect it will still be here with the rework

[placid condor]

Yeah, I just started with Preludes 13, so I only know of the old system from YT. That being said, when I ran into that and could NOT use a dope glaive I was very annoyed but I had the free 100 arcs and used like 45 or 50 for the medallion so I didn't mind "too much"

I HIGHLY see where the stream was on fire covering the update lol

I need to learn to type sorry lol

[arctic cedar]

Well there's not much use for arcs apart from weapon and pacts slot rn

So not much a waste

[placid condor]

That's why I didnt mind lol trying to "honestly" grind the rest

[arctic cedar]

You can always top up and buy one founders if you enjoy the game it's a great deal imo

[placid condor]

Yeah I'll actually be getting the founders pack tomorrow, the game has been amazing. Made me really rememeber what I loved about games vs feeling like a second job cough Destiny cough

[arctic cedar]

Same tbh, it reignited something in me, maybe also because the game is made from scratch

[placid condor]

Is there a way to earn arcs in game right now like Warframe has for platinum?

[trim oriole]

Can we minifest another hotfix today?

[arctic cedar]

I used to play a lot of games when they were in beta I always enjoyed the build up

[placid condor]

I'm still new, what are the "main" issues that would be address for a hotfix?

[arctic cedar]

Not atm, but there plans for the market

[placid condor]

I think this is only my second doing this and it just feels great.

Eventually we can use the "back in my day," quote lol

[arctic cedar]

Hotfix is mostly for bug fixes but also some updates like quests/events/items

[placid condor]

Got it TY!

[arctic cedar]

Next hotfix will have new weapons

[placid condor]

Oh I just meant like are there any "pressing" issues with the game right now the hotfix would target?

[placid condor]

Oh the 2x showed on stream?

[arctic cedar]

Oh, yeah for sure organ that is only dropping staff 99 percent of the time

Wevetseeds are bugged, people are getting 9k wevetseeds

[iron nimbus]

Is it me or the Totems that add more defenses no longer apply?

[arctic cedar]

they are adding bow and dagger, not sure if they showed these

[mighty crystal]

im having a hard time figuring out how to get palettes? are there any earnable in the game right now?

[arctic cedar]

For clothes? You can get them from your fraction shop

For hair nothing yet

[long grove]

pretty sure it's just a ui bug

[mighty crystal]

ah darn

[cloud palm]

Really looking forward for Rapiers/Fencing swords as primaries

Really hope they would be like, range and speed oriented

[trim oriole]

Organ drop rates still abysmal

tales issues

Hotfixes usually fix smaller issues currently in the game, sometimes add or change a thing or 2

[placid condor]

Yeah, I'm familiar with hotfixes (Destiny vet) but I just wasn't sure of Soulframes specific issues ATM.

I haven't gotten to the Organ stuff so HOPEFULLY fixed when I get to it lol

[trim oriole]

ah fair

i hope so too

[unkempt rover]

Does anyone have advice on or maybe a good video guide for Long Blade usage? I like them because I like longswords, and have been using one in my martial arts for most of my life, but I can't seem to find anything they do I can't better do with GS or SnS, and so I imagine it is I that is missing something. I asked in Q&A in game earlier and was told it was largely good for runes and how many points for its tree it can ge tright now, but I am hoping there's more to it I am missing, and I know my own newness and lack of skill can be a factor

[trim oriole]

They are stronger than SnS becuase Momentum art and there are better long blades than SnS in game atm

SnS is better at staggering and ground finishers

GS is just better overall but not everyone likes the slower combat pace

[unkempt rover]

Okay. So it's just a matter of getting to momentum and probably learning parry+spectre better?

[trim oriole]

pretty much

[unkempt rover]

Also that explains why SnS felt better, I love stagger

Thanks :> I figured it was just me, I tend to assume that when I have these kinds of thoughts

[indigo coyote]

Get the attack speed, AOE damage and Smite chance totems. Heavy attacks when you have a big opening or a fair gap to close. Light attacks if your opening is smaller. Parry often.

GS you can just spam heavy attack and GG, but longsword has a little more skill expression I think.

Haven't tried SnS much so can't comment.

[unkempt rover]

Awesome :D Thank you so much, I'll practice

[tepid nexus]

Melee is gonna get revamped with combat arts. No ETA yet though but the idea is that you can make your own combat art.

[indigo coyote]

Ya that's a good point. I wouldn't get too invested in any weapon since they've said they still have planned reworks

[bleak hawk]

damn i thought bows are gonna be secondary weapons ;_: they feel so odd to use

might also be skill issue

[past drift]

Bows are very strong and in my opinion really fun in SF so yeah maybe skill issue

[smoky crater]

honestly started having a lot more fun with bows with P13 even tho i very much liked them before too

think they made the initial arrow dropoff a bit less aggressive which made shooting them a bit more intuitive

[bleak hawk]

oh okay i just suck then. will get gud

[unkempt rover]

May I ask which animals these totems are btw? :> I just wanna make sure I do this right

[indigo coyote]

I won't be able to check for several hours, might have better luck finding them on akavot or if someone else has access.

You'll need the LS rune to be able to have both the attack speed and aoe damage totems active at the same time, though

[lean prawn]

I really hope we see some kind of short bow sidearm in Austin to the primary bows. I love bow in SF and that want to use it alongside weps line SnS and Longsword while still leaving the "bow main" as a build choice

[dim river]

yo as the assassin can you use melee rather than a bow or naw?

[placid condor]

Yes, just takes a little time to craft different weapons. You are NOT "locked" into specific weapons other than with the virtue requirements.

Just think of the pacts as just abilities instead of like a subclass

[dim river]

Oh okay peak

[placid condor]

I think it took me around 3-4 hours to get my first alternate weapon and then you just gotta get materials to craft it and unlock the crafting (trying not to spoil stuffs)

[pine latch]

hello, whats the cooldown for the organ?

[tepid nexus]

3h

But there are 3 and if you do with 2 other ppl u can technically do 9 without waiting

[pine latch]

ty

[tepid nexus]

You're welcome

[kind roost]

should i put this on juniper i use charge shots arrow rain mostly with full grace mockery/orengall armor

[placid condor]

Is there a cap on how much faction rank/xp you can earn each day?

[knotty moon]

16k.

[placid condor]

TY

[dusty hare]

Is the wyld sirin bow the best bow, or one of the others?

[knotty moon]

Gotta love the Sinecure trains with accurate dummies.

[kind roost]

i think its juniper or starling

[slender saddle]

Are these two still useless?

[sly escarp]

They never were

[knotty moon]

Hotfix inbound.

[sly escarp]

They don't do a lot, but they aren't entirely useless

[sly escarp]

Greentext confirmed?

Greentext confirmed

[slender saddle]

They were. I remember this mechanic was removed

So I wonder is it back again and what these arrows mean

[sly escarp]

What mechanic was removed?

[slender saddle]

Arrow types

[sly escarp]

Bows were changed a while back but the Buried/Ignite mechanic is still in the game for sure

[sly escarp]

Those perks just apply to all your arrows, have since types were removed

[slender saddle]

Birchwood and Camphor

[sly escarp]

"Brittle Arrow - Arrows of Birchwood deal more Stagger when Splintered.
Applies to the arrows embedded by Light (Uncharged) Shots and Arrow Hail.
Camphor Arrow - Arrows of Camphor wood increase Stagger on enemies.
Applies to Heavy (Charged) Shots. Note: May apply to small Stagger dealt by Light and Hail Shots, but this is untested."

-From the Avakot wiki

[slender saddle]

I see. So basically it's LMB and RMB stagger increase?

[opaque latch]

Where are the Notes?

[sly escarp]

Stagger increase on Splinter explosions from hail and light shots, and Stagger increase on fully charged shots, respectively.

[slender saddle]

What is splinter explosions though? Is it like critical effect?

[sly escarp]

When you fire an uncharged shot, or do an arrow hail, the arrows stick in the nemy/thing it hit

[sly escarp]

If you charge shot a buried arrow, it splinters, doing some damage and stagger

[narrow condor]

Aint it just doing 1 dmg

[sly escarp]

If you heavy shot a large group of heavy arrows, many will splinter, and the splinters can set off nearby arrows to splinter too

[sly escarp]

1 damage can be a lot if you stick the enemy with 40 arrows

Arrow hail STRONG

[narrow condor]

Instead of a full charged shot to pop the burried id rather fire arrow hail again

[thorny glen]

i'm sure it won't be nerfed

[slender saddle]

Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining

I mostly charge shots and aim for the head. Deals decent damage

Arrow hail seems strongly nerfed

[thorny glen]

there needs to be specialty bows, some that do more headshot dmg, others that charge hail faster

[sly escarp]

It got hit as a byproduct of the armour changes

[knotty moon]

Fixed a progression stop after flying the post-death sparrow into an Ode grinder. Please stop doing this.
Lol.

Fixed Ducks not rewarding the correct Totems, or rewarding no Totem, after charming them.
Good news to fellow duck hunters charmers.

[true notch]

totems have different appearence based on their rarity??

[knotty moon]

Yep, at least most rare ones do.

[trim oriole]

No organ changes i see