gameplay-discussion

[knotty moon]

I would send a support ticket in that case.
https://support.soulframe.com/hc/en-us

[grand raven]

alright ill make one thanks

[knotty moon]

Apparently the issue is not with the Founders packs.

🤔
Maybe try to change the renderer in the launcher. Long shot, but worth a try.
Also try to verify and/or optimize the cache.

[knotty imp]

man i sure do love erstroot parts clogging up the organ drop tables

[vestal crystal]

YOU NEED MORE ERSTROOT

I got too much erstroot

Maybe that is gonna be a brewing item in next potions

Erstroot sound like a spice

[knotty imp]

feels like they either intentionally put it there to dillute the drops or something OR it's meant to be one of the new drops and not erstroot

[sly escarp]

It's not even a dilution issues, the rates on the Wazzard set are just very low

Clivers and Erstroot are both weighted more in the table, which imo seems ike a bug

[maiden kite]

Apart from a fresh batch of points for arts investments, do the founder pacts have anything over the base pacts?

[knotty imp]

i mean thematically, i guess you could say Erstroot is Wazzard's staff

[vestal crystal]

Yeah it is

[knotty imp]

other than extra arts points, they are the same gameplay wise

[knotty moon]

They used to have a higher bonus Virtue value, but those were removed from all Pacts outright.

[torpid zinc]

have tried those as well neither have worked.. I have paragon founders as well so its a tad frustrating

[knotty moon]

Unfortunately I have no idea.
It does seems to be tied to the account itself though, as the other person was able to use a friend code to create another account and go past that point.

You can get one by watching the stream on the 24th with a linked account.

[sly escarp]

Don't ask for codes here, please! If you need access #envoy-gathering message has a list of all the ways to get it.

[blissful flower]

Not it's just arcs early access to wyld pacts and some drip I'm still buying the paragon pack cause to me it's worth it

[sacred jolt]

ok sorry

[tepid nexus]

What does everyone keep their FOV slider on?

I played with default till now and now changed to 60 and its kinda weird. I guess i got used to low FOV

[long grove]

max it every time i find the slider

[tepid nexus]

You dont find it tunnel looking?

[long grove]

i think it dependson your monitor resolution

[tepid nexus]

1440p 27" 16:9

[knotty imp]

crypto jumpscare

[lean prawn]

Starting Wyld Armors and weapons have I thnk 1 * better scaling compared to base? Talisman is +3 vs +1 IIRC (paragon is +3 to all). Nothing game changing but there are slight improvements. Mostly its drip + dyes + arcs.

[long grove]

on 21:9 myself, so i can imagine it may be odd. but that's just how i do cuz i can, i'd definitely find a comfort zone in between the settings

[tepid nexus]

I mean i dont get sickness from high fov or anything, i just find it looks weird af

[hard charm]

Have they added any mounts yet?

[smoky crater]

not yet but planned for this year

[knotty moon]

True, though keep in mind there are better Talismans and Armors that can be farmed, and the Triune is equivalent to the Paragon, without the graphical effect.

[hard charm]

what about tp?

[smoky crater]

fast traveling?

already in in a limited form

[sly escarp]

Probably won't expland past that limited form too, DE has been very hesistant to add fast travel.

[smoky crater]

ye

[meager sparrow]

Has the sparrow customisation slot moved from the arsenal?

[long grove]

should still be there on the top left

[lean prawn]

Oh definitely, None of it is game beating. I don't wear the starting armor anymore (just use it for bestitching). Starling is the best bow I have right now, Thrice Spurned is (I think) the only Courage scaling Flyblade left at the moment. None of it is "Must have"

[meager sparrow]

It's missing, but I think I might have big brained it. I'm on the bear quest my sparrow is the rat ATM 🤣

[long grove]

ahhh, yes

[smoky crater]

in a way it would make sense if it got disabled for the duration of the quest

[long grove]

sparragon would make a very dangerous choice for the quest

[lunar atlas]

wazzard fragments are a myth

[long acorn]

I cant join my bud party. Do you have any tips how to fix that?

[lean prawn]

My fav thing about Paragon is the dye pack: black, dark green, grey, gold...my envoy looks dope.

[blissful flower]

Is the circade armor good cause the stats don't look that good

[long grove]

does it say failed to join? both of you restart.
not seeing any invites in general? hit the + top left of esc menu and then invite

[long acorn]

Yeah failed to join

All the time

[ebon wraith]

Staff fragments on the other hand are plentiful 😛

[long acorn]

I guess it might be his lightning fast 4g internet with upnp off 🤣

[long grove]

if both of you restarted your game, not much can be done rn. the joys of peer to peer gaming. can try restarting router. just gotta try again later

[long grove]

pffft

[lunar atlas]

They should just removed it from the drop table on the Organ Event. You can already get it on Wizard waste boss

[long grove]

yeah get that enabled

[long acorn]

Thanks anyway

[knotty moon]

Decent, if you get it early.
Though the useful is limited to Courage builds this Prelude.
Triune is a more lasting reward from that dungeon.

[ebon wraith]

There is hope

[lunar atlas]

Yea they better patch it

[fast marsh]

hit my daily 16k standing cap for the day

[knotty moon]

If only you didn't buy that Prism... 🤣

[fast marsh]

oh i knew buying the prism would do it, it was too funny to pass up

[tepid nexus]

Found out why, Soulframe uses vertical FOV slider, not horizontal like most games. Setting vertical FOV to around 60 is like 90 on horizontal one

[vague sorrel]

This is 🤌

[vague sorrel]

Not enough for me. I love fisheye gameplay lol

[tepid nexus]

I hate it, stretches edges and makes it look ugly and unnatural

[vague sorrel]

True. Maybe its just me coming from 1000+h of asseto corsa and iracing 🤷😁

[tepid nexus]

Auto banh driver pov

[vague sorrel]

I mean generally for me - the more i can see the better. But I completely agree it looks ugly af. Thats why its adjustable for every individual I guess. Anyway, it would be nice to have a bigger FOV setting range in SF imo

Although 69 is hehehe

[tepid nexus]

For me 60 is perfect, default 50 is kinda low

Altough 50 helps with immersion its kinda hard to see stuff

[vague sorrel]

Depends on your monitor also. 3:4 with 60 would be like looking trough a tube I imagine 😀

[tepid nexus]

I got regular 16:9

Generally i keep default in all games but WF and SF are only games where i raised

The default is just too low

And that says a lot coming from me

[whole owl]

finding after the camera updates of P13 lower FOV is both cinematic and very usable, as the game does zoom out in combat, feels pretty nice

WF is max FOV, only way to play without throwing up

[knotty moon]

WF at min FOV kinda works as an over the shoulder shooter.

[inner onyx]

Does anyone know how to fix not getting faction standing i had this trouble during prelude 12. I leveled up to level 1 and now I don't get any more standing. I've relogged and everything but nothing works. Sometimes it says I have 5000 when I do something then other times it says I have 0 but gained some but doesn't change

I checked bug report but no one there had an answer

[final rock]

1. make sure you level up once you hit the cap
2. there is a daily max of 16k iirc

[whole owl]

you need to chat with you faction rep to rank up

[inner onyx]

I have I've already leveled up to 1 but now I don't gain anymore its been like this for weeks I've just been stuck at level 1 and no longer able to gain more points

[final rock]

max rank is 5, go back to the faction and rank up again

[vague sorrel]

Go to your faction rep, select "where am i standing" dialog option, and then press lvl up standing button

[inner onyx]

I can't thats the problem I don't get any more faction points and im only faction level 1 I haven't gained any more even tho I've done plenty of missions and other stuff

I've talked to the guy, then relogged and that didnt fix it, someone mentioned it fixed it for them not for me

[knotty moon]

If it is not mentioned in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 do make a thread.
I remember there was some issues with that a few Preludes back.

🤔
Anyone tried getting Tales from the Island tree?

[wet tulip]

ive seen someone posting a screenshot that shows nothing there

[gilded seal]

How does one leave cogah without dying?

[wet tulip]

relog

[knotty moon]

Eternium Gardens removes Cogah.

[dire helm]

no tales but it did spawn Avacado right behind me when I touched the tree.

Nothing special in his shop or anything, in case anyone is wondering

[vestal crystal]

He be like

Business is here….

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/stonks-stonk-YnkMcHgNIMW4Yfmjxr

[kind roost]

do i want the Saphene's Shadow virtue for bow

[dusty hare]

orengalls 1 is so strange

[shut latch]

Anyone having issue with not being able to get past the pact selection.........
During the first-login quest (FirstLoginQuest.lua), after faction/pact choice:

GiveGear() is called at ~142.733s: Attempts to grant starting loadout via server.
Server responds with HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error at ~143.023s: "Give Starting Gear failed".
Direct warning: Invalid item ID for loadout item at slot SUIT_SLOT.
SUIT_SLOT = Slot for your soul (core "suit"/class, like Warframe's frames). Souls define your Envoy archetype.

Game proceeds by building loadout locally:
/SF/Souls/Default/JolsafarSoul (XP 0) → Assigned to SUIT_SLOT.
Weapons: /SF/Weapons/Ranged/TwoHand/JosalfarBow/... (LONG_GUN_SLOT), /SF/Weapons/Melee/OneHand/SecondaryJosalfarDagger/... (MELEE_SLOT).

Quit confirmation (~175.191s) flags missing items by instance ID:
FindWeapon couldn't find ... 6990a191211e2235df0209fa(LOT_NORMAL, SUIT_SLOT)
Same for bow/dagger IDs in other slots.

Root Cause: Server-side mismatch—JolsafarSoul's item ID (hex UUID like 6990a191211e2235df0209fa) is invalid/corrupted in DB. Local client loads it fine (resources at ~58s), but server grant fails (500 error), blocking proper sync. Inventory commits later, but slots remain "broken" (warnings at quit).

[smoky crater]

try verifying files from the launcher maybe?

[barren scroll]

Try not to use chat gpt for sending on data it is usually very off; doesn’t explain the full problem.

[smoky crater]

wot

[fathom elm]

NE Glades (Arena) enemies stuck on lvl 1-2 (or either lvl 4-30) on the lvl 60 glades map after copying a few times, how is this fixable? every time i copy now its lvl1, it was working a hour ago

[shut latch]

I did all that. There is nothing else I can do anymore. I have deleted, cleaned registry, redownloaded, deleted cache, verified, optimise. The only thing that works is using one of the friend codes and making a new account. The game works then but you don't have the founder pack items / pact, so it comes down to Account - Server side issue with items. I don't know why I keep getting the run around with support. I have submitted logs twice now and even cleared cache. The logs all say the same thing.

[long grove]

level 1 bug usually comes from taking a taxi to an endless without fighting something else first

[abstract badge]

Where's a good place to farm the weavlings for bile sacks?

[long grove]

neathuns

[lean prawn]

I swear I did a bullet jump last night while playing. Anyone else seen this?

[smoky crater]

[long grove]

there's a couple movement bugs where you can get sent flying and such

[shut latch]

It's a better answer than I gotten from support. I mean the first response they gave me was is your issue fixed? Uh no, that's why I subbmitted a ticket with the logs from the first place. Then submitted a video. Explained further that I had a second account and game works. Yet they proceed with telling me to clear cache. Ok sure, I'll do it. Same results. One account works, founder pack account doesn't. So that seems to narrow down to being server side and account sync issue, which in theroy could be a wide range of issues. But clearly a fix needs to be done. Other people are having the issue.

[lean prawn]

It did the horizontal spin animation. I also saw a cool forward flip but want able to recreate either.

[knotty moon]

You mean this? https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1472637496180605110

[modest pasture]

what kind of prefferred totems/runes or joineries do people have for a shortblade and flyblade combo? Right now it was seeming to me doing the orbit smites, orbit armor hits, and pair that with doing further armor down with shortblades, and attack speed. Then maybe stagger on primary too?

[shut latch]

Oh yeah I find it happening a lot when jumping and you get hit. I am jumping to get to better ground, not as a dodge.

[lean prawn]

Nope it was this animation exactly https://youtu.be/vRCAgBIxZZ0?t=25

I have no idea how I did it but I've never seen it before now. Wondering if either some new animations were snuck in for P13 or if this is some kind of left over I've never encountered before.

It didn't seem to do anything: no increased distance or speed, it just played the animation.

[lean prawn]

That was the forward flip move but not the horizontal one (I have seen that as well though but thought it was normal).

[iron nimbus]

Seems like Knight O'Paladine is the go-to Virtue Prism

[knotty moon]

Depends on what you like honestly.
I tend to gravitate to the Courage/Grace Hybrid.

[iron nimbus]

Isn't Grace overall garbage now though?

[knotty moon]

Not really?

[dawn arrow]

Yo know, gameplay design wise until Wazzard armor set I have never felt the need to spend arc on items. 😂

[iron nimbus]

Where can be obtained the parts for the new gear, also?

[long grove]

heck no

[finite stone]

It was in P12, now it's very nice imo

the issue is that if you like a specific weapon, you're forced to meet its virtue requirement so not all prisms are viable

but all virtues are very much viable

[iron nimbus]

I mean the passive is trash, enemies already die right away from stealth attacks

[dawn arrow]

I think it goes really well with flintmsoke rune

[long grove]

wazzard drops from the organ, bakers drops from kith t3/store, seathorn from any t3, clivers from organ, reaper... can't remember who else

[finite stone]

wym the passive? just the stealth damage? it does multiple things

[long grove]

it's not just stealth, it increases parry, finishers, knockdown, headshot

[wet tulip]

this is only the beginning we will have much more rng praying xD

[gaunt void]

is it confirmed to work with ripostes?

[finite stone]

the passives are really just flavour imo anyway, other than spirit's cooldown decrease which is insane, but all weapons are basically OP now if you force yourself into their attunement spec

[iron nimbus]

Stealth attacks feel worse in this update in my experience. For some reason enemies keep getting alarmed after I pull one

[lean prawn]

Does it actually increae parry? I haven't noticed any big difference since P13 but I only have like 21 grace when running a full grace prism

[finite stone]

seconding the other guys' questions about ripostes and headshots, does it increase their damage mults too? afaik the stuff in the image above is everything that we know for certain, but if there's any confirmation, I can add it to the Wiki

[iron nimbus]

Oh yeah, what about Virtue points given with MR? Is it still a thing?

[lean prawn]

Grace doesn't feel as powerful a Courage but its still good. Bows are awesome, new dual blade sidearm is fun, sneak attacks are 1 shot kills until enemies are like 25+ (then they still do a big chunk for me)...its my prefered style but Courage still feels both more offensive and more surviable at once.

[spare badge]

It's in the patch notes that they will be if you're too close to them. Use AOE rat and it'll kill most of the guys close enough to the one you stealth killed.

[finite stone]

Yes, I've had multiple people say it still gives you 1 point per MR, though the ratio of prisms might sometimes make it look weird in the calculation, but yeah in general the same increase

[dawn arrow]

Yeah they did mention that normal stealth attacks enemies get alerted. But with flintsmoke rune, I keep backstabbing non-stop

[spare badge]

I did this with a trio of enemies walking along the road. Sneak-attacked the one at the back. It killed him and the one in the middle, the one at the front kept walking, I stealth killed him.

Not using flitnsmoke, cause I don't have it yet.

[dawn arrow]

in p12, the moment i got flintsmoke, i never do normal stealth attacks anyways

[iron nimbus]

Hoping DE brings back Champion of Alca so I can get everything perfectly balanced

[spare badge]

I got burned out on trying to get cogah runes. 100+ kills and nothing tends to do that.

[finite stone]

flitsmoke btw 😛 because you flit through the shadows

although a flintstones rune would be interesting...

[dawn arrow]

Sorry to hear that, i got mine fairly fast that i actually thought they were generous until i read some people's stories

[dawn arrow]

ee sorry 🫣

[finite stone]

hahaha dw dw loads of people type it like that

[spare badge]

Close 'nuff. "flint" is pattern recognition. "flit" is not a recongized pattern.

[lean prawn]

It increases headshots but only on surprise attacks. Once the enemy is alerted it does not do anything for headshots ATM. I haven't noticed anything with riposte/parry or dodge strike.

[dusty hare]

smoking my flit

[spare badge]

Also flint and steel being a common way to start a fire, brain doubles down by associating flint more with smoke that this "word" "flit".

[finite stone]

funnily enough for me as a Fable fan 'flit' is more common to me from the sheer amount of flit switches... I hope Fable reboot doesn't have those... 🫣

[long grove]

seems i was correlating parries, but it's a definite on the headshot

[finite stone]

that's awesome ty, wonder if it's a general 'stealth mult' then because it's both the stealth finishers and stealth headshots - it might be nothing to do with headshots specifically?

[pulsar tundra]

Is there a interactive map online?

[spare badge]

Fable games are the only place I've ever seen "flit" used. As such, I assume it's not really a word.

[finite stone]

might need to test stealth heavies, stealth lights, etc (non-backstabs)

[finite stone]

Just like an envoy in an Organ 😄

[spare badge]

Yes.

[long grove]

idk about the stealth, cuz i still hit the 1100 inside/outside combat

[shy minnow]

https://soulmap.avakot.org/P13

[finite stone]

https://soulmap.avakot.org

[pulsar tundra]

Ty all

[finite stone]

heads up this link's one update out of date 😄

[shy minnow]

yea i noticed that lol

[pallid sentinel]

Amazing view -_-

[dawn arrow]

Oh man you made me google flit and ... it has different interesting meanings

[spare badge]

Funny... I don't recall holding a shotgun to your head and telling you to google it...

[dawn arrow]

Just a curious mind, thats all

[kind roost]

alca's breath buffs ability dmg ?

[spare badge]

Understanable. Curiosity is a strong motivator. I typically check on the dictionary website, rather then internet searches.

[dawn arrow]

English is not my first language, I am bound to find new words to me

[spare badge]

Someone suggested it does. I've not seen evidence of it. It mainly turns your bow into a BFG.

[long grove]

pretty sure it's just gives your bow that extra arcanic damage

[kind roost]

arcanic dmg says arcanic is what the skills are called in wiki

haven't seen my arrows getting magneted yet tho idk what triggers it

[finite stone]

Yeah DE use the same name for multiple things, so if you search 'arcanics' it'll take you to pact abilities, but if you search 'arcanic' we assume you want to learn about the damage type. And we give a little header to say 'btw if you want abilities they're here'

[finite stone]

Yeah neither, so I removed that the other day until further testing

[dawn arrow]

Speaking of runes, been playing with Greatsword and if only the rune that makes charged attack faster to be .. a little bit more faster than it is, that would be really fun. Am i asking too much?
Greatswords/2H Weapons in games usually are my favorite but DE did a really good job making me enjoy all of them. Like I really appreciate it.

[kind roost]

so alca's breath is useless for the most part unless going for magic/bows ?

[smoky crater]

bows are the only thing it can go on

[spare badge]

You can only put it on a bow. And it's not useless at all. It makes the bow hit WAY HARDER, and turnes enemies into clouds of butterfilies on death.

[ocean warren]

i got 4 Codes in an Email, so can i invite people with those codes? I didn'T understand the mail quite yet, sorry 😄

[smoky crater]

there's a small aoe with Alca's Breath yeah

[smoky crater]

correct

[ocean warren]

Ty 🙂

[steel remnant]

how do I do this? i assume I need fire but theres none here?

[smoky crater]

pick up a torch from a nearby crucible, and light it

[kind roost]

brazier next to it pick torch go down light it

[crystal edge]

that is in the patch notes. stealth attacks now alert nearby enemies so you can't just chain opener everyone

[smoky crater]

or brazier.... words

[steel remnant]

ye got it, it was underneath

btw whys my rose enclave exp stuck at 5k

[smoky crater]

you don't get faction rep from sieges

but it might be stuck at 5k probably because you need to go to your faction to rank up

[spare badge]

I feel like the bubble they get is just a bug, since it looks like the one for void damage in WF.

[steel remnant]

oh, i havent went there since the intro

whys it so isolated anyway where are the world trees

gotta walk so far

[smoky crater]

you can fast travel to your enclaves entrance

[kind roost]

was gonna test if maybe i need to air shot when my bow glows enemies are not surviving long enough

[spare badge]

Go to nighfold, do music emote. Exit the menu.

[steel remnant]

music emote?

[spare badge]

I main bows. I've not seen any difference indicating that the bubble does anything. It doens't really need ot do anything because the rune is made to delete enemies.

[finite stone]

This one from https://wiki.avakot.org/Emotes:

[kind roost]

i've been using orengall with a smite bow setup its nice i picked more dmg to smited and reduce armor too

[steel remnant]

1 through 5 doesnt do anything when I press, do I have to press something else beforehand?

[finite stone]

it purposefully doesn't have world trees right next to enclaves since enclaves are already fast travel points, I guess that's the design reason, though it would be nice to pick up a votive on your way out of the enclave ig

[finite stone]

You have to open the emote wheel? It's on the page I linked you to

[dawn arrow]

He was teaching you a trick to go to your enclave, but normally you can just use a weeveseed to teleport to it

[spare badge]

I go with AOE rat, then have the more smite chance and more smite chance on charged shots, and whichever armor totem I need for my build.

[dawn arrow]

The trick is to play the flute in nightfold which takes you to the gardens, but you exit the game before choosing a gardren. when you log back in, supposidly you are near your enclave.
To play the flute, press X (Potion menu) then press right click and the menu will change to emotes, choose the music one to play the flute

[steel remnant]

thanks, it's X

[dusty hare]

since weapon bonus damage is capped at 150% then number of pips dont really matter they just get you there faster

[steel remnant]

yea, i quit here?

[finite stone]

tyvm will update that default! I think DE played with them an update or two ago

[dawn arrow]

I never tried it but yeah thats what they say

Or maybe choose then quit if it doesnt let you quit here?

[steel remnant]

i alt f4

[finite stone]

I don't think you need to quit the game, you just back out and it'll relocate you to the starting zone

[steel remnant]

i quit the game and it didnt work

[finite stone]

yeah you don't want to quit the game, just leave eternium

[steel remnant]

still didnt work im here, unless if thats where I was supposed to go

[spare badge]

No, you don't alt f4 there. You press "leave eternium".

[kind roost]

can you parry with bow why are there so many parry totems if you can't

[dawn arrow]

Sorry I guess when people said quit they meant leaving the place

[long grove]

yes, aim at the right time

[spare badge]

Yes, that's where it takes you. Over where you're within easy distance from all of the factions.

[finite stone]

Yep this is right, you're back in the starter zone 🥳

[steel remnant]

yea

thanks

what do I pick here? what is this sigil?

[long grove]

it's the silent rose color palette, likely from ranking up

oh what do you pick, not what it is. pick the color palette. you can get the rest from tales rep, only 1500 standing. the palette will progress your verminia

[steel remnant]

ah got it, thanks

[spare badge]

You can also just farm the fragments for the weapons. They're in the faction shop in case the RNG is being brutal.

[trim oriole]

am i crazy or did you use to be able to attack in nighthold?

[spare badge]

You still can. If you can't, then you're experiencing a bug.

[steel remnant]

you can?

[trim oriole]

unless me n the wife have the same bug im pretty sure you cant

anymore

[spare badge]

Unless something got changed in the past 8 hours without any notifications or update.

[steel remnant]

i started playing in p12 i dont think u could even then

unless if im hallucinating and have never actually tried to attack in nightfold

[long grove]

I can heavy and throw but used to be able to attack. I very often spamming magics cuz I liked the water rippling

but yeah sometimes I've seen it block lights

[cold idol]

Does anybody know how close you have to be to an enemy to benefit from "35% Damage to a nearby enemy"?

[spare badge]

You're probably hallucinating. I've been in since p6. We've always been able to use attacks in the nightfold.

[long grove]

yeah which is why it's been odd in p13, idk if it's intentional or not

[steel remnant]

just tried

cant attack, can heavy though

doesnt seem intended if I can heavy

[spare badge]

Normal attacks.

[steel remnant]

doesnt work for me

cant basic attack

[spare badge]

Heavy attacks.

[steel remnant]

i can only heavy

definitely something wrong if you can do it but I cant lol

[long grove]

just one of many p13 bugs

could be way worse tho

[spare badge]

Throw/recall.

[steel remnant]

whats the throw keybind?

[spare badge]

#1438224825113120788 Mention that you can't attack when there.

[spare badge]

Block + heavy attack. I use controller.

[steel remnant]

thanks

[steel remnant]

done

[trim oriole]

Steve just said they are fixing the organ drop rates

praise

[peak blade]

I think I'm a little confused on the new virtues system; are these just stat templates we put on?

[sly escarp]

It's a ratio assignment

You equip the ratio you want your virtues split with

Each prism basically takes your total Virtue stat and divides it among Courage, Spirit, and Grace using the weight of the prism you have equipped

[vital sable]

Milestone reached

[slender saddle]

Is quicksilver blessed by Saphene the best for bows?

[sly escarp]

Usually

[spare badge]

I added a post as I don't have the bug, in the hopes that maybe my info can help DE track down the bug.

[slender saddle]

Ty, Ill try that

[spare badge]

Best is subjective. I prefer gildaur.

[trim oriole]

Its not subjective, you can prefer what you want but quicksilver is objectively better

[spare badge]

It has charge rate and headshot multiplier. If you're not getting a lot of headshots, it's not worth using.

[trim oriole]

Charge rate is a dps increase far higher than the +5 damage gildar has over it

[spare badge]

Quicksilver may sound better on paper, but actual gameplay differs.

[long grove]

well charge shot is already a big gain on dps, but they didn't ask for an objective opinion anyway. a subjective one is as good as any

[trim oriole]

and if you are playing bow and not aiming for heads what are you even doing?

plus im sure arrow rain is like always hitting the head

[vague seal]

Running torrent 😂

[spare badge]

Just because you aim for the head doesn't mean you'll hit it.

[spare badge]

No. It can come in at angles and hit arms, legs, torso.

[unborn grail]

probably already known but Steve said in devshort that they have some hotfixes coming. so i tihink we get multiple somewhere soon

[spare badge]

Or just outright miss the enemy (or perhaps phase through them).

[trim oriole]

sounds like planing for failure

even if you hit half the headshots you try its sto;; better than gildaur

[spare badge]

That's your opinion. I'm not saying you can't have that opinion. I'm just saying that opinion isn't objective.

[trim oriole]

its not an opinion lol its math

[knotty moon]

Some info about Soulframe dropped in the WF stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/warframe/clip/TrustworthyPhilanthropicMagpieFloof-a6exW6M_MJ88nEhT

[trim oriole]

its fact

[unborn grail]

wazard armor drop chance fix, lower virtue rec for dual stat weapons, "bringing new weapon types to areas of the virtue system that are missing", ode bow coming thats mostly courage but also has grace, lot of really cool stuff and Sarah is gonna post updates on whats coming next

[kind roost]

finally got a bit of style leggings are still getting crafted

[spare badge]

Math is "on paper". "on paper" rarely holds up to practical use.

[trim oriole]

thats cope im afraid

and even on paper gildaur is bad lol

[spare badge]

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you'll actually belive it.

[unborn grail]

Also: they are planning to add "faction medallions" like in warframe that you can trade for standing

[trim oriole]

Bro you cant bait me

aint no way you actually think +5 damage beats out 20% charge rate and 10% headshot nultiplier in any way or shape

unless you walk around quickshotting people in the feet you outa your mind

[unborn grail]

not soulframe but a slight maybe on sleeves only vauban😂

[knotty moon]

Wasn't it nerfed to 10%?

[trim oriole]

yeah i miss typed

[round swan]

hotfix inbound

[lament path]

I thought gildaur was purely for the lifesteal, while the headshot multiplier might not change the threshold of many shots it take to kill an enemy that often since bows + grace already do a lot of damage on headshots the charge rate is a better boon against groups.

[unborn grail]

letsgooooooo

green text blessing

[trim oriole]

We dont do enough damage for 4% lifesteal to do anything

it may aswell not even be there

[unborn grail]

not entirely

[lament path]

I mean lifesteal isnt going to do much aside against bosses since smiting gets you health

[unborn grail]

garren rood pact ability used to be that healing extended your rune duration, so with a lifesteal weapon you could infinity rune for the entire combat

[knotty moon]

Didn't try, but it might synergize well with Garren Rood and the rune recharge from healing.

[long grove]

on the offhand, you won't have to build for smite lifesteal either

[unborn grail]

also with the new healing pact point it actually makes that 4% very noticable

[long grove]

it's as subjective as any, a joinery for your playstyle

[lament path]

The base smite healing is pretty solid, it does cost pact points yeah which is in short supply without wylds.

Also smite chance on utility is a bit of a tax but it also fuels runes
Not too useful on some bosses though, some of them seem to be unsmiteable

[wet tulip]

mods ban hammer time

[lament path]

Banish this fool

[long grove]

<@&1154466146741932193>

[unborn grail]

<@&1154466146741932193>

alarm ALARM

[wet tulip]

gg

[lament path]

Bless the mods

[half talon]

Saw it when it posted, thanks y'all for your diligence!

[thin hazel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kingofboysmovie-kingofboys-kobseries-kingofboysseries-t7yaXxaSkprC6yuAlQ

[round swan]

Oh man, I was hopeing to learn more about pivot tables. gee dang it

[unborn grail]

🫡

[wet tulip]

if only we could harness this power in midrath

[trim oriole]

i missed it what happened lol

[wet tulip]

the usual bot spam

[unborn grail]

your typical mister beast scam or something idk

[thin hazel]

Helix got to it faster than the @ s!

[shut latch]

what was the hotfix for?

[unborn grail]

patch notes just got posted

[knotty moon]

The Organ’s exploding barrels now only deal Stability damage to the Envoy, and the base damage was reduced against Ode’n enemies.
No more rando one shots then. 😛

[wet tulip]

tethren nerf xD

[knotty moon]

Added
Informative point.

[sly escarp]

Feybalt nerf too

[mighty moon]

guess i'm not touching magic weapons anymore

[wet tulip]

yeah but its still ok

[sly escarp]

So will Fellust

[lament path]

Is it me or am I not reading anything about wazzard

[wet tulip]

fellust got a worse nerf though

[sly escarp]

Feybalt caps at 1/4 of prior damage

[wet tulip]

since fellust empower much more then feybalt

[trim oriole]

Feybalt was madness though

[sly escarp]

Both Feybalt and Fellust deserved what they got

[trim oriole]

yep

[wet tulip]

agree

[trim oriole]

im tethren main and i think its deserved

[mystic sedge]

Fellust nerf LETS GO

Praise DE

[unborn grail]

yeah i guess its fair we aint getting to one combo a boss anymore in cogah mode XD

[modest pasture]

as a dancing orengall. i have no clue what i am missing lol

[mystic sedge]

Im still curious if its the best thing to do bar none against Agari still. Half damage is still a ton of damage. But its absolutely a good step in the right direction

[unborn grail]

gives me more insentive to play other pacts too, tho im used to having the wyld points so im hesitant on trying out the other pacts

[wet tulip]

oo this is big no more T3 tales with 15-20 mins dungeon

[unborn grail]

one less hit too tho

[mystic sedge]

True so it doesnt multi has higher either

[round swan]

I was literally doing this one when the in-game notification popped up. lol

[unborn grail]

hmm tree icons are very shiny now

[slim portal]

the best buff, i dont care about any nerf

[wet tulip]

ikr i was starting to miss the normal T3's with a banneret ending

[gaunt void]

did they fix the ducks?

[lean prawn]

Glad I got my Clivers when they still dropped on Organ lol

[round swan]

i didnt mind a votive that took me to glades to kill bannerett. I was pretty consistanly finding the area tile paired with that quest line

[slim portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/excited-yes-agree-jErnybNlfE1lm

[mystic sedge]

I find it really strange they moved Clivers off the Organ and not the Erstroot...

[trim oriole]

No mention of wizzard armour drop rate increase but maybe they did without mentioning

[modest pasture]

Bear is supposed to spawn same places as the Stag right? because I am only getting stag the past couple days, but at beginning i got bear a couple times in SE

[mystic sedge]

rate went up because of 1 less item in pool. -Clivers

[trim oriole]

probably want the armour set the weapon to come from the same place

[mystic sedge]

So then put Wazz set on Wazz Agari as well

[trim oriole]

maybe, but not really

[mystic sedge]

I mean it isn't a maybe. Strictly numbers wise, you will see Wazz set more often.

[trim oriole]

thats not how % works lol

if it has 1% drop chance its still 1% even if they take something else off the table

[mystic sedge]

It's 1 less item that can roll. Assuming they boosted drop chance of all the other items equally

[wet tulip]

so no more clivers but more erstroots xDDD

gl all

[trim oriole]

only if they adjust the numbers does it change anything

which they didnt mention

but im about to do a run so we will see

[mystic sedge]

Sure... but I dont think we've ever seen DE do an adjustment like this for SF and then slam all that item's rate into 1 specific thing. Theres no way Erstroot rate got buffed and the Wazz set stayed where it is

[knotty moon]

Depends on how the roll works.
If it is weight based on the table the chances have gone up.

[mystic sedge]

Historically, it is a flat increase in rate for everything

[slender saddle]

If I want to invite my friend to faction tale, do I need to start it first, or I can invite and then we both manually take the tale from tree?

[trim oriole]

never say never

[mystic sedge]

inv then pt leader starts votive

[mystic sedge]

I'm going to judge based on past experience/history. So unless I hear otherwise, I assume it is an overall rate increase because thats how it has always been handled. Im happy to be wrong. But I'm fairly confident I am not

[slender saddle]

Thanks, got it

[mystic sedge]

Has anyone Fellusted any cogah agari yet? Im curious if 1 Fellust will handle the entire fight

Also no Rump Thump fix?... thats pretty strange. Working as intended?

[wet tulip]

when butt slam 3000 became fart slam -3000 instead

sad times

[surreal verge]

Anyone on to help with the nameless King? Having camera issues

[long grove]

they can't get everything each time, just wait for the next one

[mystic sedge]

fair enough

[modest pasture]

when they said shortened they werent joking. that t3 i just did was all steps within like 150m of each other lol

[trim oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-lookin-good-brev-castillo-castillo-1st-sniper-out-on-all-digital-platforms-big-man-ting-gif-26234544

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/metahitt-pittsburgh-oh-brother-jeez-BMhMJ57rhtVAWmRFN8

[lament path]

Gonna hope that all these people posting now just hit that 1 percent chance

Of getting erstroot instead of wazzard

[prisma cargo]

Gildaur kinda seems like a better choice for magic weapons now than Feybalt, considering it gives +25 dmg overall and feybalt only stacks up to 5 more than that after 3 hits, +life steal

[mystic sedge]

Just ran a quick 3 cogah agari and boy Fellust (and Teth as a whole) feels soooooo much better. Taking off about 1/2 of a lvl 40-45 Agari's life instead of decking it in seconds. Actually interact with add mechanics and having to dodge+block. Such a small change but its awesome

[mystic sedge]

It at least makes you have to balance the choice. Some builds dont need the life steal so 5 damage is relevant. Especially considering weaps like Gauntlets are about quantity of hits over just quality

[unborn grail]

2 organs in, only erstroots

chat, it aint looking good

[tepid nexus]

Problem is u need to stack, and you can lose stacks. Imo thats not worth the hassle for 5 dmg

You arent even gonna notice that 5 dmg

[mystic sedge]

3 hits on Gaunts takes literal seconds. Building and maintaining that is almost nothing. Staff is waaaay more of a concern granted

Uptime on Gauntlets is absurd. Feybalt should be nothing to keep up on those

[wet tulip]

imo feybalt still good because of the throw range

[tepid nexus]

Meanwhile bows do 10k headshots ez

[mystic sedge]

I mean... 1-1.5k maybe. But find me a bow doing 10k that isn't relying on Bestone

[tepid nexus]

Cant wait till they hit chopping block as well lol

[mystic sedge]

And Rune

[wet tulip]

you know its coming theres simply worse things xD

[tepid nexus]

I think bows should indeed do higher dmg with headshots cause they are very skill based but not that much higher

[tacit leaf]

Well chat, i dont want nothing of this fixed yet but stacking 3 crows on any boss makes em stuck on the floor hitting the yamcha pose. Only issue is that it fixed when wrait transforms on the spiders but repeat it and its fine

[median willow]

This set good

[tepid nexus]

Like i can go with 2 attunement rank 1 bow to NE and 1 shot mobs in head

With 20 grace and no joinery

And it has huge range advantage as well u can literally snipe from so far mobs dont even aggro

[knotty moon]

But you have to aim.
-# I can't aim.

[tepid nexus]

Not when sniping, mobs dont react

[knotty moon]

Sure, the problem is hitting them. 😛

[gaunt void]

clivers solved my skill issue with bow

after i miss 3 times i can just fight them normally

[ruby girder]

Any primary that lets me flint smoke is great lol

Oh wait clivers is secondary

Nvm

Still great weapon, double strikes is good

[trim oriole]

3 for 3 on esteroots so far

it might be over bois

[prisma cargo]

With Gildaur giving every hit +25 on magic weapons, and Feybalt stacking up to +30 after only 3 hits (+10 per hit), it takes 6 hits with the magic weapon for Feybalt to start doing 5 more damage than Gildaur on every hit.

[lament path]

Nothing personal but I hope you simply had the worst luck possible 😔

[trim oriole]

ill take all the esteroots if it means the soul brothers and thrive

go live your best wizzard life

[unborn grail]

5/5 erstroots

[hexed spoke]

They didn't fix bromeus not dealing any DMG?

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/disney-frozen-review-WrNfErHio7ZAc

[unborn grail]

4 more chances but i dont think there is any change lmao

[sly escarp]

The only drop table change was removing Clivers

[half talon]

Now for nothing but erstroot… for now

[lament path]

There was hope that erstroot was a silent change

[glossy stone]

dual kombi spawn

[lament path]

At least it is easier to get clivers now I guess

[sly escarp]

They have said they are aware of the drop rate issue, it would probably be pretty public if they had changed it

[halcyon thicket]

It was very easy to get them

Organ event dropped it like candy

[sly escarp]

They just removed it from the Organ, no?

It dropped from Etheldred and Reaper since p13 dropped we thought...

[lament path]

Moved to two other bosses I think?

[mystic sedge]

I will say that 6 hits for Gaunts is almost nothing. I can spam 6 hits before enemies even get close to me. Not to mention you can maintain stacks while moving. Again, it is a concern for staves for sure. But I dont see this as a problem

[sly escarp]

It was already at those bosses we thought

Unless it was bugged

Yeah

"The Clivers now drop from the Weaver and Ode’n Hound Agari only, and not The Organ."

Only

[lament path]

Oh huh only yeah

[sly escarp]

They just removed a drop location

[mystic sedge]

I can confirm Weaver dropped it prior to hotfix. I never do Reaper so idk about that

[lament path]

😔 Wait they removed clivers but kept erstroot

[sly escarp]

The problem isn't Erstroot being there, it's the Armour drop rate weighting being insanely low

[unborn grail]

all my homies hate erstroot

[lament path]

Erstroot is either too high, the armour is too low or both. Cant check what is going on under the hood though

[sly escarp]

Considering Clivers dropped at similar rates to Root, guessing the armour just went in wrong

[mystic sedge]

Dollar Store Seathorn tbh

[lament path]

Erstroot to clivers ratio for me was 20 to 4, cliverss is an one star rarity weapon.

[buoyant pebble]

are clivers any good?? I sold them 😄

[trim oriole]

theyre grace

so no

[mystic sedge]

They suck in practice. But are sweet to look at

[knotty moon]

Quite good, if they fit your build.

[lean prawn]

They're fun, like them a lot more than daggers as a sidearm.

[buoyant pebble]

yep

[sly escarp]

They're a dual blade for your sidearm slot. If you like the dual short blade moves more than the single short blades, they're nice.

[lean prawn]

They're a grace scaling melee sidearm that can pair with a bow. Previously that was only dagers.

[mystic sedge]

Stick it to the man by using Rostrum main and Clivers sidearm

[spare badge]

Plus some nifty lore about knightmaidens.

[mystic sedge]

Clivers are just more of an example why Daggers and Shortblades should be different weapon types

[halcyon thicket]

I like the clivers animations for the 3rd attack and onward

[buoyant pebble]

I am in love with flyblades

[lean prawn]

Same! The move chain feels almost backwards to me? Like it should start with move 3 then put 1 and 2 at the end

[buoyant pebble]

I should give em a second try

[spare badge]

Marrow's Bane and Stultin are examples of why Cleavers should be Short Blades.

[lean prawn]

Its the classic ranger: bow + dual wield. What's not to love? Used it with Grace teth and grace oscelda and both mop up even in NE.

[mystic sedge]

Oh Marrow tells me that 1h Axes should also exist. We can dance around the term cleaver, but that shizz is a full axe

[spare badge]

"Cleaver" is another term for a butcher's knife.

[mystic sedge]

No i know lololol. But that aint a long sword and it isn't a dagger and it isn't dual shortblades. It's def it's own thing and that thing is an Axe

[unborn grail]

they better let us sell those damned erstroot fragments, i dont want anything to do with them anymore

[mystic sedge]

I pray every day for a new gear upgrade system that uses left over fragments as currency/fodder

[spare badge]

It's a hefty knife. For the purposes of SF, it should be a shortblade, not a long blade.

[trim oriole]

6 for 6 esteroot

[mystic sedge]

The issue is SF has an identity crisis for shortblade. Shortblades are either two dagger/shortswords (Tines/Clivers) or a straight up fantasy small dagger (Rostrum). Unless you want to expand that category further, a "Cleaver" doesn't meet either of those two things

[spare badge]

It's a knife. It's got roughly the same blade length as the "short blades". That's all the logic you need.

[mystic sedge]

Also, weapon categories in SF seem to also factor in swing speed and dexerity. You ain't swingin a Marrow like you're swinging a Rostrum

[mystic sedge]

We'll just agree to disagree here lol

[knotty moon]

Weapon categories in SF are a bit placeholder as well.

[mystic sedge]

Well we know weapon trees are placeholders. We dont have that confirmation for weapon categories

[unborn grail]

yeah im like 90% the baskets will turn fire damage someday

so weapons will defo see expansions/reworks

[slender saddle]

I don't know if it's bugged or not but this one suddenly became immortal in Cogah mode, when it was at 10% hp left. The white stun line was filling, then starting over when full. No damage receiving at all

[spare badge]

That sounds like a bug.

Also, jokes about it being the spider that got bugged.

[slender saddle]

Spent 20 minutes with no health potions damaging him until I died and was sent out of Cogah 🙁

I thought it's a giant bug itself

[spare badge]

Her. The spiders are females.

[trim oriole]

does that actually add 20 or is it a bug?

[spare badge]

Bugged UI.

It adds 10.

[slender saddle]

So the only reason to do Cogah now is 3 talismans to craft?

[trim oriole]

so worse then beaver then

cool cool

[mystic sedge]

Cogah-specific runes

It's also good for weapon leveling if you wanna run around killing stuff

[slender saddle]

Ah, but I think I killed 5-6 bosses and only got one rune

[mystic sedge]

Every boss has a rune drop only gotten in Cogah. It's just chance

[slim portal]

this, some weapon types has cogah only runes

[spare badge]

It may take over 100 kills to get a rune.

[slender saddle]

So I can now ignore the boss from which I already got rune, right? Because it's specific to that boss

[mystic sedge]

Oh boy this can't be true is it? I though rune drop was like 20-30%? I see them all the time after just a couple kills

[slender saddle]

I mean despite of talismans

[slim portal]

kind of, unless it has other drops

[unborn grail]

9/9 erst, i know we are demanding but please papa steve, release us from this curse

[spare badge]

Yeah. if you've also got its talismans.

[unborn grail]

let avakot trde us the wazard set for erst fragments XD

[slender saddle]

I need help, I forgot which one dropped this 😄

[mystic sedge]

NVM

[slender saddle]

Great. Ty

[mystic sedge]

that was wrong lmao

[slender saddle]

Great. Nvm

[sly escarp]

The Banneret enemy in the NW

[mystic sedge]

Kobocha is spear. uhhhhhh

[slender saddle]

Great. Ty

[mystic sedge]

Yes! Gawth. Near spider

[crystal edge]

What are the functional differences the bows? I have four of them, and they all seem almost identical.

[slender saddle]

I forgot what is voltaic

[slender saddle]

They are almost identical indeed

I tried Juniper, Maestro and Blitzel. No much of a difference

[sly escarp]

Damage type

It adds +50% of the weapon's Base damage as Voltaic type damage

[slim portal]

isnt it basically lightning but with cooler name?

[spare badge]

It took me around 115 kills on ruthos to get Torrent to drop. And then other runes started dropping. But I'm back to around 40 kills on the ones that won't drop for me (treefall, flitsmoke, splitbolt).

[mystic sedge]

It is lightning and it deals increase stability damage

[mystic sedge]

idk my guy. That sounds like some real variance issue luck right there. Maybe on release, but now? They should be like 1 in 10 at most

[sly escarp]

Might be better off in #looking-for-group

[slender saddle]

So that's basically 115 cogah runs? How is that even possible

[mystic sedge]

You can kill multiple of the same agari in a single run

Its only 30m respawn

[spare badge]

115 kills in cogah. Kill enemy, move a ways away, wait 30 minutes, come back. Repeat.

[slim portal]

damn bro you have a lot of time

🫡

[slender saddle]

I see. And in parties cogah bosses get stronger (hp)?

[mystic sedge]

3,450 minutes - 57.5 hours

[modest pasture]

So where does it actually tell my "Weapon and Pact Limit"? Because I see if i count the ones in my inventory I have 13 weapons, I assembled. I have had to buy a slot for each of the past 6 or 7 of those weapons, I am pretty dang sure.

[mystic sedge]

Assuming that 115 number is true. That will be an experience exclusive only to yourself

[slim portal]

it is, that Vlad has shitton of resoruces in his inventory

[spare badge]

Go far enough away from where boss spawns, go to nightfold, do stuff IRL for 30 minutes, come back, kill boss. Repeat.

[slim portal]

i've seen some of his screenshots

[spare badge]

The RNG is not my friend.

[slim portal]

i can only play for 2 hours at max around midnight, before someone emails me or calls me for work related stuff

[mystic sedge]

I dont know him enough to call a lie. I have a friend who suffers from RNG disease as well. But just saying that they represent .01% of the SF population. Most people will get their runes with a 10-30% drop rate

[spare badge]

SF needs a pity system for cases where the RNG is ignoring what the drop rates are supposed to be.

[mystic sedge]

At launch maybe

[slim portal]

DE eventually adds those system, but when the said system is already ancient or old enough

dont ask me how i know it, played WF enough

[spare badge]

Hit 50 kills, and the system kicks in, adding 25% to the drop rate...

[spare badge]

Eh. They were fairly quick with the weekly archon hunts pity system.

Even if they just add like an agari token that you can cash in at the factions or some other NPC to get the stuff that won't drop.

[trim oriole]

9 for 9 esteroot

[halcyon thicket]

Who would've thought eh

[trim oriole]

life, amiright

i hope that guy talking durin the organ has warm pillows on both sides

[knotty moon]

The one time you want the patch notes to be wrong...

[unborn grail]

i think he is on the brink of death bro since we destroy his respirators

[halcyon thicket]

He has health issues seperate from that machine

They're in the notes

[crystal edge]

My nightfold is not working post hotfix

[halcyon thicket]

Are u doing a fable

[trim oriole]

The nightfold is now in the organ drop table

so you'll never see it

[gaunt void]

how does +30 damage to smited enemies work?

just increase smite damage?

[mystic sedge]

10/10 comment - no notes

[gilded crescent]

are we MMO yet?

[knotty moon]

I think it is more damage when they are glowing.
Didn't test it though.

[crystal edge]

My guess would be +30 to people after you have smote them since you can’t ever smite them again

[trim oriole]

i thought it just ment smite does 30 more damage

[gaunt void]

hmmm

could benefit from some clarity in the wording lol

[trim oriole]

truth be told it could be anything

[mystic sedge]

Pretty sure it is damage to enemies that have been smited. Because Smite Damage to enemies shows up elsewhere. Voided in pacts for example

[trim oriole]

most things dont tell you what they actually do and some things say they do something and do something else entirely

anyones guess really

[crystal edge]

Totem says + to dodge attacks, does bow even have dodge attacks?

[mystic sedge]

Totally with you though that tooltips need some WERK in this game

It's crazy that we do not see how virtues scale into Abilities in the tooltip

I get they wanna keep the game UI-lite. but gimme at least 1 breakdown screen

[gaunt void]

this one is also confusing

[vagrant kayak]

That one is pretty cut and dry tbh

[mystic sedge]

Oh this works exactly like what it says

[vagrant kayak]

20% of your damage goes to a nearby enemy

[mystic sedge]

Hit a dude. Nearby enemy takes 20% of that damage

[gaunt void]

oh i see, i was thinking like

an enemy nearby takes 20% more damage lol

[hexed spoke]

Yeah that's exactly what it does

[mystic sedge]

Slap that baby on a Fellust build and clear camps ez

[mystic sedge]

You mean like a damage intake debuff? No. It just strictly does 20% of the swing's damage

[gaunt void]

pretty nice, thanks for clarifying

[unique temple]

i haven't played the game enough to understand why people are saying magic is dead in case someone has an easy to understand answer 🙏

[mystic sedge]

Magic is too broad a term. Like Magic Weapons, Pact Abilities, Spirit?

Magic is not dead. Gauntlets are still one of the best weapons. The issue is Grace is SO strong now that grace weapons are easily the best

[vagrant kayak]

People are saying magic is dead because people will say anything is dead after a nerf

[unique temple]

I was assuming they meant spirit but I guess now I don't know what they mean, but thank you that still helps!

[mystic sedge]

Spirit is very powerful since it is the only form of Cooldown Reduction

[vagrant kayak]

To be specific, the Feybalt Joinery for Magick weapons had its buffs reduced

[hexed spoke]

Magic weapons just don't perform as well as the other types
But it can still clear any content

[mystic sedge]

Staves are maybe in a bad place. But Gauntlets are fantastic

[hexed spoke]

Play what you want, you want to get stronger, you'll have to max every weapon and pact anyway

[vagrant kayak]

I find magick weapons perform about on par (barring bows being pretty insane rn) the main problem with them is both Runes aren't amazing

[unique temple]

gotcha, I was already not enjoying the staves but the sidearms and new staff have audibly nice sounds so i think ill still stick to those haha

[hexed spoke]

That and armor

[mystic sedge]

They're still completely fine to use. SF doesn't require following meta to clear anything

[vagrant kayak]

Archstorm (or whatever it's called now) can be ignored by enemies a bit too easily, and while The Hollowing is very fun in large groups of enemies it doesn't really do much against single targets

[mystic sedge]

Voltiac/Stability rune on a weapon not designed for finishers is very odd. I think its weird that Volt rune isnt for melee and Fire rune isnt for magic

[crystal edge]

if you get a faction quest to kill the stag does the stag appear even if it’s daytime or do you have to wait?

[vagrant kayak]

So it's supposed to just spawn regardless of time of day but I've heard people say it may be bugged, not sure if that got addressed in this hotfix

[wet tulip]

Should appear the moment you get close for tales

If it doesnt its a bug

[hexed spoke]

It's bugged from the last time I got or

It spawns but it had to be night time

Should still spawn in the day time. If it's a tales missiong

[crystal edge]

Stag appeared. Also I really suck with bow. Lol.

[hexed spoke]

In the day time?
Yet fixed

[nimble thorn]

anybody having weird stuff happen with claiming their wvetseeds?

[crystal edge]

Yeah, in the middle of the day

[nimble thorn]

like claiming it and never getting them?

[past drift]

So as I'm playing more with virtues / prisms I think I overall like the whole change and I just need two things for it to go from "kind of annoying" to "good"

1. hybrid and ex prisms need to be way easier to get, especially hybrid cause that's where all the fun builds are.
2. either virtue requirements need to accept either virtue, or blessed joinery needs to let you change it

[trim oriole]

the hotfix notes said they fixed it

[slender saddle]

Can I still play Cogah if I don't have potion but invited by someone else who has it?

[slim portal]

the hotfix also said that they changed the t3 votives to spawn less dungeons but it seem still the same, out of 15 relogs i got only 1 banneret

[wet tulip]

yes only host need to use it

[slender saddle]

Ty

[trim oriole]

cosmetic hotfix, nothings changes lol

[dusty hare]

did they nerf bromius again

[trim oriole]

no its just bugged

[dusty hare]

they nerfed tethren

[wet tulip]

tethren and feybalt got nerfed bromius is simply broken since P13 went live (broken as in not working properly)

[dusty hare]

they halved feybalts damage?

[trim oriole]

yep

[wet tulip]

i think its more of a 1/4 now

[trim oriole]

stacks less, from 6 to 3

[dusty hare]

lmao

[trim oriole]

crazy that it use to be 10

[wet tulip]

since its both stacks and the flat dmg

[dusty hare]

sounds brutal

time to log in

[dusty hare]

rip magick weapons

[wet tulip]

considering polearms and bows dmg

this will get buffed 100%

[slim portal]

i feel like the new tale system as itself is very against the core of gameplay

it forces you to relog after every tale finish

[wet tulip]

unless they gonna nerf polearms and bows even more

[slim portal]

i hope they add the old system back

[dusty hare]

yeah i expect volatile up and downshifts for a while

[visual radish]

What?

[wet tulip]

so the tales refresh on the tree. no relog theres a big CD till new tale respawns i guess

[trim oriole]

idk im of the opinion magic shouldnt compete with range and melee in damage becuase its so much easier to play

[slim portal]

this, and also most of the time the tale ends inside a dungeon, so your best option is to simply relog to not end up at the middle of the map

[dusty hare]

what if bromius as is, is working as intended

and they want rump thump to do no damage

[slim portal]

the game simpyl doesnt feel as fun as it was in P12

[wet tulip]

bows arrow rain is still a thing xD so i wouldnt say magick is easier then bows

[trim oriole]

arrow rain does nothing when enemies have any amount of armour though

[dusty hare]

were magick weapons known as the best?

[trim oriole]

and to get real milage out if range you need to land headshots, its way more skill based

[slim portal]

25 relogs to 1 banneret T3 tale

if this is the buffed rates, i don't know what to say

[smoky crater]

tbf magick weapons being as powerful as they were, while also being intended to be a more chill, ranged playstyle was a bit much as a combo 👀

[wet tulip]

isnt there a totem that lower armor with arrow rain though?

[dusty hare]

didnt they say they want spirit builds to be glass cannons

they have less hp and can use magick weapons

[smoky crater]

sort of yes

[modest pasture]

I havent used any magick weapons yet, but i can say that doing shortblades with armor drain totem, attack speed, specter and dodge increases. goes pretty nuts for grace and spirit. and i barely survive getting love pats

[smoky crater]

even tho you can still get like 70-100 armor with spirit stuff

[hidden kite]

i just wanna be a wizard harry

[dusty hare]

still lower max hp

[modest pasture]

yeah my max hp is low af.

[smoky crater]

but you're also at range so you should be taking less hits

[modest pasture]

when i switch and do bow. its def super chill, esp in orengall and just throwing out like 3 wolves

[wet tulip]

yup knew it. i remember it can lower armor

[dusty hare]

just feels like an odd change

[modest pasture]

only issue with that is not using the full charge to just ignore armor tho

[wet tulip]

ah right bestone from oscelda and gg ez on headshots

[trim oriole]

still more than point and click auto target

[wet tulip]

ngl the auto target is more of a problem then help

[dusty hare]

yeah

[wet tulip]

most of the times it targets something you dont want

[shut latch]

For the love of god please fix the flying through the air jump

[dusty hare]

you have to fight the lock on

[novel stump]

Something to keep in mind with an arrow rain build, is that The Torrent exists to make it even better still for damage, fun stuff lol
Don't even have to deal with lock on there

[dusty hare]

i dont really like any magick weapon runes rn

[novel stump]

Fair enough there then

[visual radish]

Fyi block and click allows for free aim

[trim oriole]

Either way, i dont think magic should do as much damage as range and range shouldnt do as much as melee

[visual radish]

Found out while levelling throwing knives

[dusty hare]

so glass cannon was a lie?

[wet tulip]

i know but ngl id rather block and click to be the auto target instead of the free aim

[visual radish]

Imo i think current makes more sense
Because less inputs for auto makes sense to me

[novel stump]

I wonder if a way of balancing that is making fellust and the like, mainly work only for melee attacks and go from there, not including throws to balance the polearm builds

[wet tulip]

whole thing is auto lock rn is bad hence it fights you instead of helping

[modest pasture]

never in my life have i played a game where i dont hold one input to aim and another to shoot lol. changing that would be wild weird

[trim oriole]

I made a post some months ago that it should only work with melee actually

[visual radish]

Havent had much issue tbh

I have been able to easily distribute attacks among many attackers to keep pressure with very few issues

[novel stump]

Oh? Imo it makes sense, and would allow grace scaling to stay fairly high but not as high as it is rn, to keep some degree of balance there

[wet tulip]

try using magick in arena ( have fun targeting the trees half of the time) or any boxes or stuff in camps

[visual radish]

Really felt the difference in the reduced auto lock magnetism they mentione in the patch notes

[novel stump]

Wonder if all that isn't just a lock on priority issue atm

I've had that a lot too levelling the Seathorn and all that

[dusty hare]

spirit is bozo hour rn

[visual radish]

Dont really do arena( because it feels pointless to look for it)

But i havent had problems in most camps

[wet tulip]

you not doing arena doesnt mean the problem aint there xD

[visual radish]

Like maybe once or twice this last weekend it targeted a box

[novel stump]

Spirit may be the worst for weapons atm, but it's felt nice for playing more around pacts for damage through more ability spam

[visual radish]

But most of the time it does target whatever is closest to my aiming reticle

[wet tulip]

sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. why imo it should be toggle able

and not on all the time for you to needing to cancel it out it with block

[slender saddle]

Can someone explain what "shared" and "copy" means in chat?

[lament path]

rooting in reverse is my superstition from now on

[visual radish]

Good old desire sensor never changes

[wet tulip]

shared means everybody in the team need to take turns to host said activity/ copy mostly spoken about the arena meaning you join a host and leave and then you copied the arena for your own host

[dusty hare]

does osceldas spirit ability scale with spirit now?

[wet tulip]

yes higher spirit more heal ( and ofc faster CD for all abilities)

[novel stump]

Spirit decreases the cooldowns of all abilities now across the board, which is why akin was removed

[dusty hare]

big heal but low health, i guess a tethren on the team would be big happy

[novel stump]

I've found the most success outside of bows and things, to be a courage/spirit hybrid build for a lot of other options

[wet tulip]

ive heard spirit/grace is good too

[slender saddle]

And what is meant by arcanic powers? Isnt arcanic = damage? If I use bow how will it affect it

[humble delta]

Arcanic powers is abilities in this case

[lean prawn]

archanic = pact ability

[spare badge]

Arcanics are your abilities.

[novel stump]

Oh that's great as well, yeah, but still on the squishier side

[lament path]

Osceldas puddle, also that recharge is pretty insane in water.

[spare badge]

Arcanic damge = magical damage.

[lament path]

You visibly recharge it in a few seconds really

[wet tulip]

this is what it means you can spam abilities while in water

[novel stump]

You don't even need to max vernal pool to make it good, even just a couple points is enough

[dusty hare]

rip magick weapons the coolest looking weapon category even if not mechanically all there yet

[lament path]

And that was without spirit affecting cooldowns before

[novel stump]

It's still more than usable for regular gameplay, but it'd probably be best to look for something else for agari and cogah for quick clears

[spare badge]

It helps if you don't think about pacts as "classes" and see them all as flavors of "mage".

[gaunt void]

how many points can you realistically put into spirit while at 21 courage? purity hybrid is looking kinda scuffed

[dusty hare]

pure spirit?

[gaunt void]

i can't even hit 21 courage using knight o paladine

[slender saddle]

I thought so that it recharges those abilities faster, but I couldn't imagine that speed 😄

Seems broken

[wet tulip]

do note this is full 39 spirit build

[dusty hare]

at what mr

[novel stump]

If you're willing to use the triune talisman or the paragon equivalent, it's more than possible. Might be only really viable for a high level account though but idk how that scaling goes now

[wet tulip]

why i made a feedback page about it also xD

[spare badge]

Beware that not all pools of water are considered water though.

[wet tulip]

17

[novel stump]

I get 22 on both easily enough with the pact too

[gaunt void]

ah ok, i'm mr 9 or something so maybe that's why i can't do it with triune

[slender saddle]

So spirit recharges all abilities faster, courage increases damage and HP and grace increases radius of abilities?

[haughty osprey]

Virtue now affects specific ability rather than characteristics right

[lament path]

And that some puddles are considered water

[novel stump]

Possibly, yeah, which is fully a shame. I'm mr 16 so I guess that puts me on the high end

[wet tulip]

grace buffs critical hits (back stab/headshot/ground slam /etc)

[lament path]

Did hear about insane grace crits, 1000+ stuff

[slender saddle]

So it's been reworked. Thats cool

[novel stump]

I want to try a flitsmoke dagger build in this patch at some point, sounds really strong too outside of bosses

[wet tulip]

some bosses can be backstabbed so its good there too

[lament path]

Boss heads are also easier to hit usually

[gilded rock]

is a long blade or war pike better fir tethren? Or doesn't matter?

[novel stump]

Oh nice
If it's more than the number of bosses that can't get finished by a polearm knockdown, that's a win

[wet tulip]

but even if you cant backstab bosses . they cant register you while you hit them

meaning its free time to hit them nonstop

[lament path]

Preference really, can depend on your rune too

[novel stump]

I'll keep that in mind then, nice

[lament path]

Pike is really good for throwing

Long blade is pretty smooth and solid, has a ranged rune too

[spare badge]

Whatever you're better at using.

[visual radish]

Each ability scales with the relevant virtues
But also each virtue has a different passive effect
Like spirit is ability cooldown

[lament path]

There might be currently more long blades than spears so if you maxed out everything there the skill points could maybe make enough of a difference there but eh, style and feeling is more important there in the end.

[pallid root]

Enclave tokens oh baby

[pliant sapphire]

this hotfix has multiplied the chance of bugged tales for me by like 100. first no plants spawning on new growth, then no stag spawning, now an immortal dog...

[novel stump]

There's enough points available to polearms excluding founders to get everything you'd need, so there's nothing to worry about there thankfully

[urban yoke]

Hi I was wondering if it was a bug or not but does none of my enclave mission not showing up on the map

[lament path]

Yeah it is very minimal ssince you can get the core stuff

Spectre strike, blocking heavies, perfects and smite are probably the main arts you would want

[visual radish]

But there isn't any founder polearm so it wouldnt affect polearm tree anyway

[lament path]

Wyld tethryn has a longsword

[novel stump]

Admittedly I haven't looked at that too hard, so my bad on that

[visual radish]

Polearm is polearm and longsword is longsword, they are different skill trees

[novel stump]

That or a throw build setup with smite, but the options for either/or in the end is enough luckily

[visual radish]

Or did i miss something in the conversation?

[novel stump]

Check your world trees for enclave missions, they've all moved there now

[lament path]

Different skill trees yeah, but the four I mentioned seem to be on every tree. Polearm throw is really good though, havent gotten the cogah rune for it yet to see how that affects it

[novel stump]

The cogah rune is sort of eh, it's alright but nothing exciting or too broken like some of the others

It's probably one of the most balanced ones, if I think about it

[lament path]

Longsword rune also feels balanced, makes it feel like the truest all rounder

[urban yoke]

Why

[visual radish]

Because

[pliant sapphire]

I'm not much of a throwing fan, I'd honestly have preferred a different cogah rune for polearms. But there will likely be other ones to come, so not a big deal.

[lament path]

The fire rune is generally solid for damage

[novel stump]

The base polearm rune is still more than good enough too, yeah

[manic tiger]

Does anyone know if there is any staff fragments I could maybe farm for as a new player?

[lament path]

. . . Do the new organs

[novel stump]

Erstroot from Organs, yeah lmfao

[wet tulip]

T3 tales for new staff/or organ tower

[slender saddle]

Is it ok if I go to Nightfall during Cogah or I lose my progress?

[manic tiger]

Thank you+

[visual radish]

Also that new seathorn staff

[lament path]

Right now is the best time to get the erstroot staff

For anyone who wants it and doesnt want it

[novel stump]

Seathorn is quite a bit harder to farm compared to the near 100% of the other one atm

[visual radish]

Well not all organs might be at the right level range for a new player

[lament path]

t3 tales have a big list of possible loot right

[visual radish]

But t3 tales can be found in low level zones

[lament path]

10-20 on the north west one I believe

[novel stump]

The one on the top side of the map should be more than easy enough for most players, yeah
Plus joining others for runs can help

t3 has like a dozen different things that can drop in that pool

[lament path]

Yeah right now a lot of people are grinding organ so they can get easy help as long as they offer hosting too

[visual radish]

Fair

[lament path]

Same with collector 😔

[visual radish]

Honestly didnt see the point in the colector

[digital fiber]

What exactly does "Throw Distance" do on Feybalt? As far as i know you cannot actually throw magical weapons, so is it the projectile range?

[lament path]

Not even sure if collector had exclusives, probably does

[novel stump]

Collector is a relic they're barely keeping alive like the arena stuff imo

[lament path]

Aside from that, collector has ssome boss stuff

[visual radish]

Yeah looked in the wiki and it said projectile range there

[novel stump]

Nope, but it does have an ungodly loot pool

[modest pasture]

man wtf lol vadagar bear just decided to fade out of existence and become a ghost with only like 5 hp left lol

[wet tulip]

Projectile range

[lament path]

If he dropped more than one fragment it would definitely be worth it for some

[digital fiber]

Ah ok thanks

[novel stump]

Oh he does, but the RNG is what gets you there

[lament path]

Yeah better for when you dont really have anything yet so any type of fragment is good to have there on his list

[novel stump]

Pretty much, yeah

[digital fiber]

Which wiki did you pull that from actually? because none of the ones i have seen had that.

[pliant sapphire]

been doing nothing but T3s and Organs since P13 release, got 2/3 seathorn and exactly one robe fragment xD

[novel stump]

Organs aren't really worth it until they fix the drop tables

Seathorn is on a kind of sheer cliff of chance lol

Makes me wish they'd take the worse armour set out of the pool

[knotty imp]

and take the erstroot fragments out

did 3 organs today, all erstroot ugh

[novel stump]

Ngl, out of the two weapons I thought they'd take out, Clivers was not one of them

[visual radish]

Avakot org

[lament path]

My first reaction yeah

[knotty imp]

would be nice if like in cogah, you could go for different drops

so normal mode - armor, cogah - weapons or something like that ( although ideally pity token systems will always be superior to pure rng hell )

[novel stump]

I imagine that the reason why there's so few drops to Cogah atm, is because they might add the founders stuff to their pools later on down the line

It'd make sense anyway, but other stuff like blessed joinaries would be nice too

[digital fiber]

Yeah all the complaints i saw were about Erstroot not the clivers so it is sort of funny how that is what they kept and removed the other one.

[novel stump]

Once again, the weaver steals all the weapon fragments for herself lol

[knotty imp]

i mean, between the new armor, magick secondary, staff and clivers, the organ drop table is bloated anyway

[novel stump]

For sure, but I guess it's to make sure that we don't just grind through it in a few days, so they're trying to make it last for a while

[lament path]

Wyld stuff in cogah probably would make sense, a better source of joineries would be nice.. Or a way to recycle the lower tier ones

[novel stump]

Even if they drop an item that then gets used to combine them, yeah for sure

[knotty imp]

i think farming of wyld gear will be tied to a whole separate activity, like the relic cracking in warframe

[dense escarp]

Anyone got wazzard fragments so far from organs cus I got 15 erstroot from 16 organs

[lament path]

5 total out of.. 30 runs?

4 chest and 1 hat, just enough for the chest armour

[novel stump]

I hope they do a more direct system with that, but having them drop a better version of relics could be good too if they go that way

[dense escarp]

So it's my rng mostly got itXD

[lament path]

Actually I am build lucky, your rng seems to be the normal rates right now

[novel stump]

The organ drop table is busted atm rn, so yeah

[knotty imp]

idk, erstroot fragments seem to have an insane drop rate for some reason, based on what i've heard from people doing the organ missions

[dense escarp]

Kinda sucks but ig imma just wait for further hotfixes

[novel stump]

My theory is that erstroot fragments and wazzard fragment drop chances got switched

I don't see any other reason why it'd be like this

[pliant sapphire]

I've gotten 15 Erstroot, 8 Clivers and 1 robe frag

[lament path]

I think something bigger than drop chances getting messed up happened and that is why it wasnt in this patch fixed

[knotty imp]

i've got the bycoket built, need 1 frag for both robes and pants

[novel stump]

Maybe? Could be anything really, I'm just hoping it's fixed to be reasonable in the next couple days

[lament path]

Buy wazzard fragments with erstroot fragments from avakot

[wet tulip]

Wear the erstroot like wood armor instead of wazzard xD

[novel stump]

Hah, we'd be lucky if it wasn't made pity in the enclave stores lol

I'm willing to mug the wazzard for his corrupted set at this point

[lament path]

I did beat up the wraith because it felt right

[wet tulip]

Which i find funny cuz logic wise that armor set should have been dropped from him

[lament path]

He also drops erstroot

[knotty moon]

Has anyone tried to pickpocket the conductor in The Organ event?

[novel stump]

Not that I know of, no

But also, I do wonder why it wasn't made a drop there too at the boss, yeah

[lament path]

Isnt he just a common enemy type?

[wet tulip]

Seems like a normal common enemy though

[knotty moon]

Leave me hope.

[novel stump]

The only thing we get to have right now, sadly, is just patience apparently

[pliant sapphire]

pretty sure the organ drop is an event reward that doesn't drop from an enemy

[wet tulip]

GL share ur finding plox if there are any

[sly escarp]

Wraith of Wastes is an Agari, spawns in 1 location and respawns every 30 min

[lament path]

Was talking about the conductor in the organ towers, appreciated though!

[twilit silo]

At least they have said they are replacing it in the future for a new bow weapon. I'm thankful they put out that statement.

[manic tiger]

Guys does anyone have recommendations for pacts to grind for when using a staff

[novel stump]

Yep, I wonder if that will fully replace erstroot or if they'll be together
Sometimes, it can take a hot minute for them to add a new weapon though so I'm hoping we won't have to wait another week again for fear of burning out the dedicated players early otherwise

[twilit silo]

Honestly for me just knowing that it will change makes me much more relaxed, silence on an issue is where I tend to feel increasingly frustrated. I can't speak for others though in terms of burnout.

[novel stump]

Honestly I can't see how someone wouldn't be, if a person has run it dozens, if not hundreds of times already but some people are very durable with that I suppose
But I'm happy to hear that it's coming soon too

Hopefully sooner than only late next week or something

[knotty moon]

Unfortunately Pickpocketing didn't work, just normal mob loot, the attempt brought me luck though.

[gaunt void]

orengall and ode tempest

[lament path]

Superstition time, try pickpocketing next time too

[manic tiger]

What about magick?

[gaunt void]

wdym?

[manic tiger]

Like im Using erstroot so I should grind for orengall?

[gaunt void]

orengall good with any ranged; you get the spirit prisms grinding rep for ode tempest through alca's children for staff/spirit arms

outside of that you can use w/e, the starter spirit oscelda pact is really strong

[tepid nexus]

I like Orengall with melee as well Very versatile pact

[gaunt void]

i miss it now that i've finished leveling it and can't run in wolf form

[manic tiger]

Thanks for the tips, quick question too does the faction I join matter??? I was considering joining the kith one

[gaunt void]

yes, they have different rewards

and your first faction is predetermined by starting class

after you get it to rank 3 you can join a different one by crafting the other faction necklace via the rank 3 material

[knotty moon]

The faction you start with is decided by your starter choice, but you can switch later with no isse.
Eventually you want to join all three to get their stuff.

[slender saddle]

Can someone please tell, is it ok to go to nightfold during Cogah? I'm afraid it'll end the trial

[knotty moon]

Unless you are in a siege, yes.

Maybe avoid it during The Organ too, not sure.

[slender saddle]

I see. Organs during Cogah are basically the same?

No special rewards?

[knotty moon]

Yes, just higer level mobs.

Atm no, that I know of.

[slender saddle]

Thanks!

[knotty moon]

Sieges in Cogah give more Infamy, but that has no use yet.

[tepid nexus]

A wise man prepares for war in time of peace

[knotty moon]

That's why I got 25k Infamy. 😛

[tepid nexus]

Unless they reset it when they add use for it that would be funny af

[knotty moon]

Doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they raised the values making it way easier to get.

[slender saddle]

Is Infamy an item? Where can I see it?

Afaik it's something like reputation?

[knotty moon]

It is a reputation track, visible only during the reward screen of the Sieges.

[slender saddle]

So it's permanent and saves with each siege, right?

And stacks

[knotty moon]

Yep, Curlail gives around 50, and Kreanhold around 150.

[sly escarp]

Dying reduces it as well

[knotty moon]

Reduces the reward during a siege, apprently dying outside of one has no effect on it.

Despite initial assumptions.

[tepid nexus]

You need to kill all mobs in siege for S rank without dying

Afaik time to complete doesnt affect it

[slender saddle]

@knotty moon Just to clarify, I can change my pact while in Cogah, right? My current pact is bugged and ability is on endless cooldown

[knotty moon]

Yes, as long as you are not in Siege or Organ.
And obviously not in battle. 😛

[gusty dagger]

Getting peep sight done string snapped

[lime trout]

Hello, i have a problem. Today i was playing with my friend and after he left, i cannot enter silent rose (the lady again sits in front of the doors and want me to do quest). I can't enter the rose enclaver or do the quest to again unlock it. Is somebody have same issiue?

[knotty moon]

Never heard of that specific bug, might want to throw it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788.

[naive sorrel]

Hey, I have some questions about Orengall. Is there a way to use the first ability in combat or is it a purely use at the beginning thing? Is there a way to see the wolf hp so I know when to heal them with the 3 or should I just be pressing it whenever available? Sometimes the wolves won't attack targets I am attacking and just wander around me, am I doing something wrong? Like, I am trying to understand this pact but it feels... strange. Any help would be appreciated.

[smoky crater]

the first ability is mainly for scouting, traversal (slightly faster than running) and for the start of a fight

can't see the health of the wolves atm anyway afaik

and them not attacking might... be a bug?

[naive sorrel]

Ok so I am not doing anything horribly wrong. Ty for the answers!

[smoky crater]

[broken spear]

Is scaling on hybrid weapons and armor better than single stat equipment? There might need to be some tweaks that should be made

[knotty moon]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1445485325248889012
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1469217042971230316

[gilded rock]

Congrats! I was thinking it was oops all esteroot

[modest light]

anyone else wevetseed still disappearing? the 3 i picked up is just gone and the rest that i saved up from yesterday

[languid escarp]

same, no wevets for us :(

[lament path]

The number of wevetseeds is variable, minus plus anything could happen.

It is prob high up on the list of things to fix for them now

[modest light]

i thought i was the only one who was having issues since i literally couldn't find anything about this except that it was "fixed" last year

[languid escarp]

been an issue for me since p13 dropped, i've had none since

some folks getting like 1k, stealing ours lol

[modest light]

lmao i saw those

im holding interest for all of mine that's been stolen btw

[slender saddle]

Any tips on best build for Cogah?

I use bow + Wyld Tethren but that doesn't look like enough