gameplay-discussion

[frigid spoke]

no, you can place as many as the refresh allows

[wet tulip]

cooldown is what makes it work. oscelda got that ability faster cooldown while in water

[knotty moon]

The cd outright doesn't start while the first is active, not sure what is borking it there.

[frigid spoke]

But you are only fighting mocks, do that with a huge group of ode or in the middle of maybe 60+ cogah\

[wet tulip]

power of water

[amber bolt]

Btw, do Pacts that have a Wyld version are the only ones that share their Arts? Like Oscelda shares it with Wyld Oscelda etc?

[wet tulip]

if its not a boss i can CC them nonstop with first ability

[knotty moon]

So far, yes.

[narrow condor]

anyone tested if grace independently does increase finisher damage?

[frigid spoke]

I got you, I use oscelda all the time, but in cogah it isn't all that, especially when the mobs get over lvl 100

[verbal flame]

is orengal crashing the teammates yet?

[wet tulip]

normal mobs just get CCed bosses i agree gotta dodge or get 1 tapped xD

[amber bolt]

I see.
I thought there was a "division" of pacts between what attribute they were tied to. In which case aren't the three base ones the better ones if you have the Wyld versions? Since you get more points for the arts

[wet tulip]

fyi this is how it looks like with everything leveled ( i dont have the old fey pact exp)

[lavish badger]

hi, so just started the game, did the forge quest, and now i have these two quests, brewer of hues seems to lead... no where? and an invitation seems bugged, as when i find all three of the plant guys friends, nothing happens

[knotty moon]

Kinda, they allow for more leeway on builds, but sometimes you just want different abilities.
They are great for getting extra Virtue though.

[lavish badger]

also, i had my 1 unlocked for awhile, and now i dont?

this game hates me

[amber bolt]

For Virtue you mean the extra points when you level up the character level?
Make sense
Ty for answer

[rigid heron]

New update is hilarious, every time i attack with any weapon character gets artifacted to hell

Lol

[knotty moon]

That, and the 30 extra points can be invested into the Arts Vritues.

[frigid spoke]

Try verifying the cache files in the launcher options before you start the next game. Might help

[rigid heron]

Will do, thanks for help

[wet tulip]

yup only on wyld you can do this

[fathom elm]

anyone here who has wyld oscelda can you test if the headpiece hair bugs trough the helmet when running

[amber bolt]

I have it iirc, if you send me what hairstyle you mean I'll check after dinner

[paper jetty]

so blessed by does noething now for gildaur?

i see attunments greyed out

[pulsar tundra]

What's the difference between the tethren pact and the wyld tethren

[vagrant kayak]

Wyld looks prettier

Also if you level both you get 60 points instead of 30

[knotty moon]

Look, but they both stack Arts points, so by maxing both you have 60 instead of 30.

[vagrant kayak]

And the Wylds also have a minor buff when you Smite a Soul of the right Virtue, so for Wyld Tethren it'd be red

[pulsar tundra]

Ty

[pulsar tundra]

Ty

[fathom elm]

there is no hairstyles its long black for male and red braided for female

or is it changeable?

[knotty moon]

It is changable since P13.

At Verminia.

[vagrant kayak]

More styles just got added with P13

New faces too

[unborn grail]

man gathanan is fun

[ebon wraith]

my characted had old face till i visited verminia and now it has a "new" monke face lol

and if i switch it to male good god

[brazen sparrow]

Man needing to get a virtue requirement to get any bonus damage on a weapon even if it's attuned to a different one feels pretty bad

[ebon wraith]

yeah especially that you must meet weapon attunements and not pact ability ones

weapon and pact influence should be separated

[brazen sparrow]

I want to use swords with Oscelda but now I need to spec basically entirely into Courage

[ebon wraith]

yeah i want to use different virtue on sirin with bow...but must use grace

[ruby girder]

That’s way less of an issue at higher lvls, Osceola can easily spirit/courage and use any courage or spirit weapons except things like marrows bane

[ebon wraith]

IMO this is less diversity with build crafting then we had before

[lapis fox]

I'm sorry, but does anyone else feel like a chunk of recent feedback has been "Game bad, DE evil" or some variation thereof, and the comments are like a bunch of other people pointing and screaming in agreement?

Like I know we're gamers and we arn't too smart, but c'mon guys...

[vagrant kayak]

Please don't call other Envoys chimps

[brazen sparrow]

I want to use my Vetch as I used to be able to, but now it's one of my weakest weapons since I specced into spirit, despite it being attuned

[lapis fox]

my apologies

[ebon wraith]

the bad feedback is because of "what was promised" vs "what we got"

[brazen sparrow]

If the attunement changed the requirement, it'd feel better

[ebon wraith]

we were promised more diverse builds and got much more restrictions

[vagrant kayak]

There are some frustrations with the new Virtues, which is fair. I also would prefer feedback remain constructive the devs are trying to make a good game, there's no real need for a combative stance when giving feedback

[brazen sparrow]

They're only a few small changes away to get a nice hybrid between what we have and what we had that will overall be better

[ebon wraith]

dont get me wrong i like the new virtue/prism system its just the restriction to specific virtue defeats the pact abilities...

means i must use the weapon i like and not the pact

[brazen sparrow]

I trust DE will make the right decisions to open up access to Prisms in early game and let Attunement do the work it should

[frozen niche]

so what is this game about?

[brazen sparrow]

It's like KCD if the Combine from HL2 invaded Britain

[ruby girder]

Everything we have now is early game

[knotty moon]

Magical tree huggers fighting colonialism.

[brazen sparrow]

as a Souls-Lite

[ebon wraith]

medieval Warframe hehe

[lapis fox]

you are a druid with a penchant for violence and are defending a magical land from aliens and thier industrialism

[brazen sparrow]

Still, with the grind being as big as it is for factions, it's still a decent way away for new players to get the basic prisms to unlock other modes of play

Especially since you get pacts by then that might not be useable without those prisms

[ruby girder]

Faction grind is not at all bad.
Takes me less then half the time to max daily now

[frozen niche]

really?, I never got into Warframe because I didn't like how any of the characters looked, this looked a big better and I randomly found out it existed through some random art for it that popped up on pinterest while looking for old Gaelic related pins

[ruby girder]

Oh you’ll love this then lol

[brazen sparrow]

Players being locked to one playstyle for the first 10 or so hours of the game to get the requirements is not really good

[ebon wraith]

true base frames look kinda ugly, once you get to prime variants and farm up some cosmetics it becomes beautiful FashionFrame

[brazen sparrow]

I agree the grind is not necessarily bad, but going headfirst into grind isn't good for the game or new players

[brazen sparrow]

You will LOVE the artstyle

[frozen niche]

I looked up their "fashionable things" I was looking from something to replace destiny 2 at the time and, I don't know... I just got so upset with how the characters looked and played I quit and never looked back after 15 minutes

[ruby girder]

That’s not really my experience at all tbh

[knotty moon]

Wouldn't be nearly as bad if we had more sources of rep.

[prisma crescent]

Am I the only one that sometimes gets randomly 1-shot by lightning while doing organs?

[noble viper]

what node or what do i need to get the last courage point for Purity it needs 21 how did you guys achieve it ?

[ebon wraith]

there are barrels on wheel wagons

its like mini nukes

[brazen sparrow]

I think the base prisms just shouldn't require unlocking the factions entirely with their medallions

[prisma crescent]

The barrels do what?

[ruby girder]

This is for sure true

[long grove]

they explode and do heavy damage when struck by the lightning

[ebon wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[ruby girder]

I agree the base prisms should be available immediately

[brazen sparrow]

The stronger prisms are absolutely fine to be locked behind faction grind

[prisma crescent]

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for them then

[lapis fox]

WF's artstyle can be an aquired taste for some, just know that there is a lore reason for why the charaters are designed the way they are

[knotty moon]

Uh, right, I didn't realize new players needed the Talisman to get them.

[prisma crescent]

It was boggling my mind, sometimes they only tickled, and others would down me in a single shot

[noble viper]

Anyone any idea ?

how do i get that last point

[prisma crescent]

You could try replaying some of the tales to reasign a point to courage

[ebon wraith]

talisman,pact courage node,higher account rank

[prisma crescent]

I did that when I was leveling dwellion

[knotty moon]

Have you already done Shewolf Snared and Waste Bear?
Did you choose Courage in both?
Only other thing is Molten Mora, +6 to Courage sold by Kith, don't remember which rank.

[ebon wraith]

talismans should be rank 3 across the factions

[knotty moon]

You could craft the Courage potions, but those are temporary buff that you need to recraft.

[ebon wraith]

7.5k rep iirc

[noble viper]

Molten mora the talisman ?

[knotty moon]

Yes.

[ebon wraith]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Molten_Mora

[noble viper]

how do you get that one i thought you talking about tthis one

[knotty moon]

Kith of Kings, rank 3 apparently.

[noble viper]

normal mode ?

[knotty moon]

Uh?

[agile forum]

Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I was wondering if there is a chance anyone would have a spare prelude key, trying to help out a friend of mine whose work makes it difficult for him to watch the dev streams

[elfin portal]

I got a code to play the game. how do I download the game

[lapis fox]

has anyone noticed that upgrading pacts or combat arts, swapping totems or modifying any equipped item causes that item to not receive the associated benefits until you re-equip said items?

[knotty moon]

Get the key yourself, then pass it along.

[noble viper]

there is the other mode when you drink the potion is it drop from that mlode or the normal

[ebon wraith]

Soulframe.com

[prisma crescent]

I had the issue once, but not other times I've done it

[prisma crescent]

It swapped me back to the default gear when I did a tempering

[agile forum]

Ive already done so for my own key, so I dont think I'll be able to get another through twitch

[lapis fox]

you can get multiple codes

[agile forum]

Awesome thanks heaps

[knotty moon]

I'm afraid you lost me, you wanted to know where Molten Mora was right?
Kith of Kings, the Faction of Fenn Jotar, the giant statue guy.

[lapis fox]

if you hang around the main chat after a stream, there's a lot of people who give out free access codes

[agile forum]

If im not able to watch myself I'll give that a try, thanks for your help

[spring reef]

wait i got this who neeeds one

[noble viper]

so is he like a crypt puzzel or a word boss

[agile forum]

Do you mean a code?

[spring reef]

ye

[agile forum]

Yeah if you have a spare that would be awesome

[knotty moon]

No, he is a faction leader, you should be able to talk to him.

[prisma crescent]

Anyone else who used Picktrix sorely disappointed in its effect?

[noble viper]

oh you buy it from him ?

[prisma crescent]

It scales poorly with enemy armor, and its duration is too short

[knotty moon]

Yes, you need to join the faction, and get to rank 3.

[spring reef]

sent it to u

[prisma crescent]

Compared to other runes at least

[noble viper]

alright then that the graind i will focus on next, thank you for explaning it

[dawn arrow]

I got a t3 stag tale but when i reached to stag, he is nowhere to be found

[spring reef]

only spawns in at night even with the tale

[dawn arrow]

I think the bear spawned in morning? maybe at the end of the night i guess. thanks for confirmation

[prisma crescent]

is that a recent change?

[half talon]

Bear isn’t broken just the stag

[prisma crescent]

I had the bear quest broken on me twice at the same location

[spring reef]

no idea all i know is if u killed it before the tale u have to wait a whole cycle before u can complete the tale and if its day u have to wait till night

[ebon wraith]

Had the same issue, seems bear inherited the stag bug where it just refuses to spawn no matter if its night

[cobalt girder]

has anyone even killed the new bear boss? He keeps despawning for me the moment I trigger the fight

[ebon wraith]

Yeah quite a few already

[half talon]

Yes a few times now

[cobalt girder]

is he bugged?

[half talon]

Maybe? Relog? Or optimize?

[cobalt girder]

so far each time he does the entrance animation where the fight starts he just despawns I'm not sure what's causing it

[lapis fox]

It's probably a long way off, but what do you all think/hope the next weapon type will be?

[slender saddle]

What's the best bow atm?

[ebon wraith]

whichever you like more, difference is minimal

[smoky crater]

blitzel, juniper and maestro are all basically equal, but if you have it, starling

[oak scroll]

????

how?

[smoky crater]

find the other notes from nearby trees that are marked on your map

[slender saddle]

Does completing T3 with higher enemy levels grant more faction xp?

[smoky crater]

yes

[mellow cliff]

There's a daily cap on faction xp right? And when does the daily cap reset if so?

[ebon wraith]

Cap is 16000exp and reset should be in an hour iirc

[mellow cliff]

Oh okay, thank you! I was sitting there grinding faction tales and not getting anymore rep and it was kinda annoying since I didn't know lol

[prisma crescent]

It would be a positive change if they included some kind of notification for when you hit faction xp cap instead of having to count xp

[mellow cliff]

Yeah it would be nice, or the ability like in warframe to see current faction xp/how much standing you have left to gain for the day

[dawn arrow]

It has a missing attunement, got it from stag

[ebon wraith]

they dont change atunement anymore

[prisma crescent]

is that +20 ramping damage, or is it flat?

I just checked mine, and all 3 are basicly exactly the same now

[dawn arrow]

All th eother blessed ones show "Attunement" type that is added on top a weapon as my understanding

[prisma crescent]

no bonus scaling

[ebon wraith]

now weapons are locked to the virtues they come with

[prisma crescent]

attunement gives +1 virtue scaling

it does seem to be missing the attunement

on all 3 feybalt variants

[ebon wraith]

that yeah, if weapon had less then 3 stars then it adds +1

[dawn arrow]

Ok so what does this mean?

[prisma crescent]

I didn't know there was a less than 3 star caviot to that

[halcyon thicket]

Gildaur has a virtue attunement?

[dense burrow]

I put a blessed by Iridis joinery into my Seathorn and it didn't provide an extra spirit attunement, is 5 the maximum and you can't add any more? (Seathorn has 3 spirit 2 grace base)

EDIT: nope, I have a Gathannan with 6 attunements (with a joinery), is that bugged?

[lapis fox]

All joinery has blessing versions for each attunement

[halcyon thicket]

Nvm i need sleep

Didn't notice blessed by mora

[lapis fox]

b4 you go, are you a "honk-shooo" or "me-me-me" kinda person

[prisma crescent]

doesn't the paragon greaatsword start with 6 attunement, 2 of each?

[halcyon thicket]

What r those

[ebon wraith]

Main stat of magic weapons is spirit and it comes with 3* already

[halcyon thicket]

It's a bit of a special case

[dense burrow]

So is Gathannan, but I put a blessed by more joinery and it has 4 courage

is feybalt bugged and it doesn't provide the extra attunement in magick weapons?

[halcyon thicket]

My Gathannan has 4 courage and 2 spirit pips

[gilded rock]

Finally farmed enough for these three. Just happened to finish all today.

[halcyon thicket]

Oh yeah i saw a report about primary staffs not getting affected by joineries

[dense burrow]

base is 3 and 2, yeah

spanish, but it basically should have 4 spirit, I guess it's bugged

[mellow cliff]

the only way to get blesseds is from lvl 36 bosses like the stags?

[prisma crescent]

I get them from chests as well sometimes

kinda rng

[mellow cliff]

ahh

[dawn arrow]

ohhh so not to skip chests

[frigid spoke]

a decent amount can be gotten from crypt coffins/chests

[prisma crescent]

you get a small mountain of junk ones though

[mellow cliff]

Interesting

I was wondering if I was just unlucky, been farming crypts and bosses from the 3* bounties and the discharged guy next to the organ and i've only got one blessed

[prisma crescent]

also, if you're looking for a specific one, the favtions sell them

based on their corresponding attribute

[mellow cliff]

ahh

[prisma crescent]

costs quite a bit of points though

[mellow cliff]

I'm barely starting to farm the factions, barely rank 3 on mora faction :(

I did like everything else though lol

[prisma crescent]

I wouldn't worry too much about joineries yet then

for the blessed joineries, your weapons need to be rank 30

so just do faction quests and level up your weapons

[mellow cliff]

I have a good amount of leveled weapons and pacts

Was just curious if I was unlucky

[prisma crescent]

I get them as drops faster than I can keep leveling my weapons anyways

[forest glen]

feybalt and quicksilver are a lot harder to get than gilduar and verite

they only come from their specific dungeon (glades for quicksilver, crypt for feybalt) and vadagar bear/stag

[prisma crescent]

some of them are assigned to more specific locations, or something

[forest glen]

gilduar and verite are basically everywhere

[gusty ginkgo]

hi

[frail tide]

Hello, if I change factions, will my reputation with the faction I have already leveled up be preserved, or will I have to level up again?

[prisma crescent]

preserved

as well as any residual unspent points

[frail tide]

okey, thx you)

[knotty imp]

so what`s the cooldown on the organ events?

[prisma crescent]

3 hours, i think

[knotty imp]

damn, even longer than cogah bosses

[smoky crater]

Same as sieges tho

[blazing shard]

hey so like whats parry stability cost?

[finite stone]

As far as I can tell it's not actually implemented yet or is just meant to refer to something else like block stability / parry window. If you look at https://wiki.avakot.org/Parry you can see I've tried to start explaining it:

[prisma crescent]

pretty sure it's how much you can block before your block gets broken

[celest yacht]

Rank and standing points persist through faction swaps

[finite stone]

yeah it might be a typo for block stability

[blazing shard]

so your block blockiness?

i still am trying to understand parrying

[tacit leaf]

Oi chat. What happens if i dont have strength but still use a sword?
I have 4/6 for Solas-V

[spare badge]

You don't get attune bonuses. You're stuck with basic damage until then. But the damage no longer goes below base damage for not hitting attune requirement.

[blazing shard]

how do i get more virtue?

[tacit leaf]

Also, can someone explain me why mora's hand third ability deals me damage?
I mean i know its en explosion but passive explosion doesnt deal me damage and mora hand is a main melee pact

[tacit leaf]

???

So its better to not have req as its more consistent?

[spare badge]

Level up your envoy. Uncover all the world trees, do the fables, collect all of the history motes, build and rank up all pacts and weapons. Shewolf and Waste Bear frables give you a choice for a permanant +1 to the attument of your choice.

[blazing shard]

oh fork

thats what those meant

for the missions i didnt realize that in those bear and wolf talks i just said what i felt made sense LOL

[prisma crescent]

I didn't know world trees and history motes gave you virtue

[blazing shard]

i think i chose red and blue but im trying to use a green thing atm

[quartz shuttle]

they give experience IIRC

world trees and history motes

[blazing shard]

rip history motes?? ohhhhh

[spare badge]

No. Because once you hit the attune cap, your weapon gets stronger, based on your atunements. So, if you had 8/8 courage on a courage weapon, then it adds that to damage calculation. If that weapon also has grace and/or spirit nodes in its attunements, then those get factored in once youv'e got the 8//8 courage as well. Without hitting the requirement, none of the atunement nodes are helping you.

[blazing shard]

the star clouds?

[tacit leaf]

Ah

[blazing shard]

so i need to collect the history motes to gain levels?

thanks!

[quartz shuttle]

yes the little golden clouds, collecting them completes a location

[spare badge]

No. History motes alone can get you up a few ranks.

[blazing shard]

but also virtue?

rank gives more virtue?

[spare badge]

Yes.

1 virtue point per rank.

[blazing shard]

thank you lion eye

across the board?

so each color gets 1?

[tacit leaf]

??? They are static now?

[spare badge]

Dog eye. Cropped pic from one of my dogs.

[blazing shard]

oh dog is very photogenic

[spare badge]

It's always been 1 virtue point per character rank.

[tacit leaf]

This is mine (pic testing my new phone at x60)

I cannot take photos of her

[blazing shard]

so all three colors are (literally have to stop myself he is such a good boy 😭 😭 ) but all the colors get +1?

[tacit leaf]

She is so black she looks good at max exposure and bright together

[spare badge]

My dogs died of old age about 8 years ago. I like using the eye pic as a memento.

[tacit leaf]

Im sorry.
A dog of mine passed 6y ago. And i got her after 3y (she will be 3y next month)

[tacit leaf]

Tbf your dog had pretty good eyes. At first i tought it was a puma or something of nat.geographic

[spare badge]

Mine were adults that people dumped for unkown reasons. They decided they wanted to be part of my pack, and we had a good 10 year run.

[blazing shard]

no fr

[tacit leaf]

Oi thats pretty nice!
Mine was adopted, some of her brothers ended up donated to military and they are pretty good sniffing drgs

But how come you found em?

[tacit leaf]

He has a goood camera ngl

[snow fern]

What's the deal with the XP rooms? I've been to the Andurin Glades several times and haven't found a single one. 😡 💀

[tacit leaf]

Idk but mine were bugged today

[snow fern]

Not just today, I've been trying to find it for several days now and nothing at all.

[tacit leaf]

Did one. Stopped spawning for no reason at the third wave.

Everytime i tried to restart it i couldnt interact

[eager skiff]

yo guys the new prism thing made my build unusable where i get one with courage?

[finite stone]

courage is kith

[prisma crescent]

mora's hand faction shop

[jovial lily]

what is the maximum level you can reach atm with prelude 13

[spare badge]

Orange and white mutt with yellow eyes. She was usually everybody's friend. The other one was a long-haired german shepherd hybrid. He was more of the guard dog type. Always got along with me and her, but took some real work to get him to trust other people.

[eager skiff]

I dont even know where that is, only found silent rose

[spare badge]

Female showed up at one of our properties. After feeding her a bit, she warmed up to us. The male showed up after we had a flood a few months later, laying beside my truck like "Hi. This is my home now. Where we goin?". We checked around both times. No one in the area ever claimed to know either dog or was missing a dog.

[spare badge]

Kith of kings. It's a bit south of the College of the pensives.

[finite stone]

about 17.9, really close to 18

[prisma crescent]

you will need the medallion of mora to access it

[jovial lily]

oh hmm nice then i got 5 more levels to go I looked at some weapons but it seems I am missing a lot of the ones that just drop randomly

[eager skiff]

yeah i thought i had done most things in prelude 12, apparently i missed a lot time to research

[jovial lily]

I didn't really like the Virtue Prism change until i realized you get one of the basic stat aligned ones by just talking to the enclave leaders even if you don't have the right pendant

[prisma crescent]

here is where you need to go

[eager skiff]

so this whole time i started with stealth person but been playing as a warrior im only rank 2 in roses too 🤦‍♂️

[prisma crescent]

that sounds like what I did, started with the siren pack, but ended up maining courage pact/weapons

there are a lot of courage pacts and weapons out there

siren feels the weakest out of the 3 starter pacts, but I've gone back to it post update to play with the new stuff

[jovial lily]

Theres barely any spirit armors

Also yeah the game doesnt really explain a lot

[fair jolt]

since the patch i havent been seeing my alca missions on the map, was that like a change in the recent one?

[prisma crescent]

the world trees give the quests now

[fair jolt]

thanks

[spare badge]

When you hit rank 3, you unlock the ability to buy Sacred Shimmer. You'll need 2 of those. One for the Kith amulet, one for the Alca's Children amulet. I'd suggest farming rep and buying 2, since they removed the faction change cooldown. It'll save on leveling a second faction just to get another shimmer, and let you use that rep to keep leveling/get something else.

[solar jungle]

Multiplayer with my daughter has been fine up until this afternoon. Now I'm getting booted from the group ever few minutes.

Anyone else?

[blissful flower]

i mean the shewolf armour is good

[broken spear]

Orengall's armor is grace with a touch courage scaling

[smoky crater]

ain't Tuvalkanes set spirit?

[blissful flower]

yeah but its still good armour

[smoky crater]

ya

[neat citrus]

indeed
nice about me btw, icxc nika 💯

[carmine geode]

Did Ode Tempest get buffed in p13? I'm about to start leveling it and I'm curious about its state in the game atm.

[knotty moon]

Just to confirm, talking to the other faction leaders still requires having the Talisman right?

[lament nacelle]

not to get the starting prisms

but if you wanna chat with them, ye

[spare badge]

Now that's good to know.

[broken solstice]

Any resources on builds out there?

[knotty moon]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Builds
... but apparently no one uses it. 😛

[broken solstice]

Oh, welp.

[inland hearth]

im kinda stuck on the silence the piligin senure , its buged is there a work aorund to it?

[whole owl]

sorry 😭

[fallen orchid]

So we don't hear our factions speaking to us any more?? 😥

[knotty moon]

The voice lines should still play when you accept a Tale.

[grand locust]

If that's the one where you pick up a helmet I found reseting my instance in the dungeon near it fixed the quest for me

[knotty moon]

If that is a dungeon Tale:
Open the map, it should show you the area where the Sinecure you need to kill are, go there and put your murderhobo cap on.

[proud cove]

does anyone know if certain totems are bugged and cant be obtained right now?

[knotty moon]

The Anchor (shield duck) is kinda bugged, it doesn't look like it can be obtained by charming but someone managed to get one, most likely by freeing ducks from cages.
All other could be obtained at one point, not sure about now.

[opaque ember]

yes i can say this indeed worked ! Thank u

[proud cove]

hm, do you know anything about the voyager duck? Been searching for it for the past 2 days and havent got it after over 100+ ducks

[knotty moon]

Not really, but it should be common rarity (aka three notes charm).

[proud cove]

yeah alright thanks, I'll put this search down for now

[humble delta]

Is it just me, or do bounties seem slower to do now with the new update?

[knotty moon]

It is not just you, even if I don't share that impression myself.

[dapper spindle]

how many hrs of gameplay are yall getting in this prealpha stage?

[frigid spoke]

close to 1k now

[mystic fractal]

@dapper spindle realistically 40ish of "content"/item collection - as many as you want farming

[knotty moon]

New endless:
The Organ, but don't free the animals, Sinecure will just keep spawning.

[pallid root]

Got nothing tracking it but I'm probably up to 30ish by now? I've been feeling the pull more the past few days though since it's been running better this prelude.

[worthy star]

made into the Organ and smashed the tubes, what now?

[pallid root]

But there's not much to do other than try to grind all the weapons I have up to max before they add the codex.

which is... a slog

[worthy star]

nvm figured it otu

[knotty moon]

Kill the banneret if you didn't do it already, then go up the elevator, ||kill the conductor, and play the organ, target weakspots and destroy them all||.

[blissful flower]

do we know if de is planing on puting in a trading system when we get farmable wylds

[knotty moon]

Collecting motes and Totems is also a good way to spend time, or maxing out the factions.

[worthy star]

wait, so what do I do after clearing the enemies and taking control of the Organ?

[knotty moon]

We don't know when, just that it is planed.

[blissful flower]

slowly maxing factions while simutaneously grinding mr is all im doing lol

[undone laurel]

Yall been noticing vadagars not spawning in t3 faction tales after already killing one of them?

[knotty moon]

They only spawn at night, probably a bug.

[lament nacelle]

thats actually genius

[undone laurel]

To be clear I’m getting the objective, at night, too, and they just are not there

[blissful flower]

okay good just want to makesure were eventually getting trading

[blissful flower]

how do i see that

[knotty moon]

Unless they change their mind on the monetization model that's pretty much assured.

[knotty moon]

Had to add it manually to the AMD driver thinghy.

[blissful flower]

ohh

[knotty moon]

You can also probably do it by adding it as a non-steam game in Steam.

[pallid root]

So what is the strat for leveling weak weapons without running into dudes that are nigh-unkillable with statcheck armor?

Just do low level missions?

[knotty moon]

If you can do the Organ, that, otherwise yes.

[blissful flower]

i cant find it in my files

[pallid root]

What levels are the Organs? I fought a level 20ish banneret yesterday and it took forever because neither of my weapons were good enough to get through his armor.

trying to get mastery on the starter junk :D

[rapid frost]

Are we suppose to get faction rep for sieges and organs?

[frigid spoke]

no

[knotty moon]

Right click -> Proprieties

[knotty moon]

For sieges you get Infamy, but as of now it has no use.

[frigid spoke]

steam won't track soulframe yet, at least not properly

[blissful flower]

amd will if you have an amd gpu

[dapper spindle]

if i bought a certain founders package is it recommended to play that pact? Or is that completely separate

[worthy star]

your call

[knotty moon]

It is separate, but if you level both the normal pact and the Wyld version you get cumulative points for those Pacts.
You can gain it later though.

[worthy star]

though it does look like the pact upgrade branch is shared across both, and you get to keep adding points to upgrade further than other pacts can

[pallid root]

Do you stop getting totems at a certain point or am I bugged to just not get ducks when I play flute on them?

[frigid spoke]

no, you can get as many as you can. Try logging out n back

[pallid root]

happened both yesterday and today, strange

[knotty moon]

That was probably the uncommon Shield Duck, it is currently bugged.

[blissful flower]

Level up all the fact to 30 then do your fav my favorite is teth

[ancient crane]

Was really expecting it to be on par with courage and grace armor sets

[rapid frost]

is endless truly endless or does it end after a while?

[turbid ridge]

it ends after 30 waves

[ancient crane]

Someone got it and sent ss, possible to get at least

[frigid spoke]

20 waves

[frosty night]

Yo anyone have an extra code for my brother were both off tonight and he wants to play

[turbid ridge]

Ah, I didn't know P13 changed that

nvm that was P12

[frigid spoke]

Arena was changed to 20 waves back in p12

[turbid ridge]

Yeah, been a bit since i've played

[frosty night]

Idk if Im even alowed to ask that tbh

[rapid frost]

anyone sent you a code yet?

[frosty night]

No not yet

[rapid frost]

i sent you one via private message

[gusty dagger]

Caffeine addiction maybe

[undone minnow]

Eww venom

[gusty dagger]

theres 24 cans of monster also

[wet tulip]

It is on the magick side. You pretty much cant die from magick attacks at all. You can dance on fire and it wont do anything to you. And so on

[gusty dagger]

24 cans of monsters and 13 cans of vemon

[undone minnow]

Now you've got me on board. On a real note I don't mind venom, I really hate red bull though

[gusty dagger]

thats only a max of like 5 days for me

[undone minnow]

Though if I'm drinking an energy drink it's only ever going to be a white monster

[wet tulip]

Here look xD @ancient crane

[undone minnow]

At that point why not just pop caffeine pills?

[wet tulip]

dancing on fire

[gusty dagger]

because my doctor told me 1 or the other

not both

also rebbull sucks ass

i already doing 960 mg

[undone minnow]

Stay safe my caffeine addicted friend. May your heart make it past 50

[gusty dagger]

i found my limit

its 12 a day

[dawn arrow]

Ancient roots from which you've grown. Voicing Seed, take us home!

This line is so stuck in my head

[astral fiber]

Country roads, take me home
To the place I belong!!!

[ashen kayak]

how do we get a code to play the game?

[pulsar tundra]

What's the cooldown after using the fast travel 3 times?

[white igloo]

So... is my Tale bugged, or?

cuz I genuinely cannot find it anywhere

this Undercity tile

[rich breach]

Should be a light puzzle in that tile somewhere.

[white igloo]

Well, there ain't any light beams

There was a light puzzle much earlier in the dungeon

but no light puzzle in the marked tile

[rich breach]

One of the mirrors could have boards or vines over it, or occasionally there's a treasure balloon blocking the light.

[white igloo]

again, no balloons or anything like a light puzzle in that tile

[rich breach]

Bummer

[gusty dagger]

but 7th endless

you gotta ne kidding me

i need pieces of armor not endlless

[ancient crane]

Does the 12 magick armor difference between stithywick really matter though

[dusty hare]

Health only matters if you get hit

[fluid ravine]

Please tell me I'm not the only one getting flung into the air every now and then since this new update

[stray oriole]

Has DE stated why the grind in this Preludes is so much worse than previous? Bugs, I can tolerate, but what is the reason behind the RNG being super low again? If you know the answer, I would appreciate the insight, otherwise, I am good.

[rigid chasm]

How do people feel about the faction change?

Netter t3 grinds? Worse t3 times? Step in the right or wrong direction

[rigid chasm]

No hot fix yet I’d assume its being changed

[wet tulip]

Im running a 79 magick armor build thats why xD(2 rare totems that give 30 extra)

[stray oriole]

My question remains. What exactly is the reason behind such low RNG? It is not the first time they did this to chalk it up to bugs. Same thing with how they are handling Factions and now their Tales. If this going the route of mobile games where squeezing your wallet is how you prevent RNG, then I should be informed this early so I actually request a refund and move on, saving both myself the headache and the community as well.

Fool me once, and fool me twice type of deal.

[solid shuttle]

how do i get my gruny hands on a way to get into the game been dying to play

[languid escarp]

never tried to farm hammershot lol

[eternal summit]

guys, the "no more enclave cooldown" thing means you can just switch factions whenever or what

[half talon]

Correct. Whenever you want.

[languid escarp]

anyone else not getting any wevetseeds? i'll pick mine up they add to inv, then about 1 min later they are gone again

[dawn arrow]

I swear i thought i also was imagining this, it felt i am consuming too much

[languid escarp]

i can pick em up at the tree more regularly but they never stick :(

[blazing shard]

when does a weapon get max stats?

i need to delete it to make room for more weapons?

[spare badge]

Or buy slots.

You have a number of slots to start with.

[blazing shard]

is it suffice to say the weapons that arent 3 stars are bad?

[spare badge]

Not really.

[blazing shard]

would it be better though to like delete a 1 star long sword if you find a 3 star long sword to craft?

[spare badge]

Weapons and armors and virtues got reworked on friday. Expect there to be more fine tuning and reworking coming.

[amber torrent]

how can i increase further my virtue?

[spare badge]

Depends on what it is. Some of the "common" weapons are insanely difficult ot farm, due to buggy drop tables and such.

[spare badge]

Level up your envoy and pacts. Use pact arcanic points in the virtue nodes you need.

As envoy level increases, the prisms will auto-spend the virtue points you get from leveling up.

You can also get 1 virtue point ech from Shewolf Snared and Waste Bear fables.

[amber torrent]

is it like warframe where i need to level up my weapons to increase my level?

[spare badge]

Yep. Weapons and pacts.

[blazing shard]

is there a way to track history nodes?

[spare badge]

And collecting history motes and world trees.

[spare badge]

In your Journel, under locations.

[blazing shard]

ancestors?

oh like within location

doi

i still dont get it tbh

[spare badge]

Collect all of the little history motes, and it unlocks the place name. For the pre-p9 locations, it fills out the extra history nodes. For the P9 onwards locations, it fills out the ??? nodes. The ??? is placeholder until DE gets around to replacing those with lore nodes.

[blazing shard]

you have to find the motes though? they arent navigatable?

[spare badge]

There's like 7 or so spots they can spawn in at in each location. 0-2 motes may spawn in. Which spots any that do spawn in are at is random, at the moment they spawn in.

[blazing shard]

kk gotcha

[spare badge]

So just look for the little mote faces in the black diamonds. Once all black diamonds are turned to gold diamonds, you've got all the motes in that location.

This setting right here will help make the history motes most visible. They will also glow a bit in soul mode.

[blazing shard]

well i mean once you max it do you need it?

[obtuse current]

I'm really, really not vibing with the new stat system, I've never been playing soulframe and thought: I wish I had less choice! Are we also meant to only have four of the little star things?

[blazing shard]

do you guys recommend unlocking weapon slots?

[obtuse current]

Are you completely and totally out of slots and only have weapons you want to use and not rank fodder?

[pulsar tundra]

How strong should I be to solo the organ?

[spare badge]

Depends on what it is and what you're building. You don't wanna sell something that you don't have a higher tier relplacment for, for example.

[blazing shard]

but if we do get a higher tier replacement prob should max the lower tier then delte right?

like waldur for example

[spare badge]

If you really feel like you need to. Keep in mind that you're also wasting dracs and resources when you sell something. You get back a fraction of the dracs it cost to build.

[obtuse current]

There is no point in keeping a weapon you are not going to use.

[spare badge]

Star things?

[astral fiber]

I would say we don't know how much point there is to keeping something. maybe some day it's been removed and is rare or something

[wet dust]

what kind of blessed iridis is the best for seathorn?

[spare badge]

Best is subjective. Whichever you like best.

[worn crescent]

What do you mean like joineries?

[wet dust]

jeah

[spare badge]

Personally, I'd stick a blessed by mora joinery on it, to add courage scaling ot the mix.

[upbeat eagle]

is the founders items good? gonna buy it either way but just wanna know if its good or not

[spare badge]

Yes.

[upbeat eagle]

which one specifically? all of them?

[worn crescent]

If you like the heal from life steal go that one but if your running oscelda or whatever healer build go the one that has consecutive hits

[wet dust]

how does the throwing bonus dmg works on magick weapons tho? 😄

[worn crescent]

Its the heavy atk

Fully charged

[wet dust]

ah nice

thank u sir

[worn crescent]

Is considered a throw for magick

No problem

[spare badge]

The pacts particularly. I hear the new changes have made the Paragon sword great, too. I've not used the weapons with the update, due ot leving other stuff.

[cobalt tangle]

Trading if it ever come to Soulframe, but otherwise making spaces to get new weapons to keep gaining mastery.

[jovial lily]

is there any tips on how to get the imp specific weapons or is it really just "get lucky"

[cobalt tangle]

Do certain content that will drop it and get lucky.

[jovial lily]

what content are you reffering to dungeons or a specific tale? Since P13 I saw they added small quests in the form of paper on tables that also awards you Fragments sometimes (I got a part of the Imp Sword Stiltin (?) yesterday)

But I saw there is like two more and they only seem to drop from the mobs itself

At least if I can believe the Avakot website

I'm specifically looking for the Nurash and Tessard though

[thick anvil]

how do I get access

please I wanna play

[jovial lily]

Watch a stream pretty much

[brave furnace]

How many fragments are people getting from the Organ? Is it really just the one?

[cobalt tangle]

Yeah I think they only drop from mockeries. So you're down to killing.

Time goes faster when you're doing tales or fables that do involve them though.

[jovial lily]

mmmm okay I tried basically looking through the list of weapons that you can buy via Arcs to get a grasp on how many weapons I already finished basically

[brave furnace]

I could be wrong but pickpocketing with Sirin can speed up acquiring fragments from mob drops like these

[hasty dew]

can anyone help me where to fight Vadagar Bear ?

[pallid sentinel]

That the avakados, despite Alka's highest reputation, are hiding from me is a bug? That's strange.

[orchid shore]

can someone tell me what kind of attack is this? 👀 https://medal.tv/games/soulframe/clips/m8sdH0kW0iHQqDP9H?invite=cr-MSx6N00sNTAxMzg5Nzcy&v=18

[astral fiber]

has happened to me too 😂

I didn't have a video but was told that wasn't a normal attack based off my description

[iron nimbus]

So why were Akin and Everbound removed from Pacts?

[frigid agate]

I miss Everbound, I liked having more HP.

[opaque jasper]

Organ event on a 3 hour timer like the sieges?

[lament nacelle]

Everbound was removed cause Courage now gives more HP and Akin was removed cause Spirit now gives Arcanic Cooldown

[iron nimbus]

I miss Champion of Alca with my stats spread evenly

[opaque jasper]

We'll probably get that Prism eventually

[iron nimbus]

I’m surprised it wasn’t added with all the other titles

[opaque jasper]

They probably need to figure out how to make Champion and Paragon prisms different

[iron nimbus]

They want to make both?

[opaque jasper]

It's safe to assume that we will get both, since we already have varying degrees of each specialization

3 founders prisms

[steel mauve]

I wonder if I should be recording my gameplay.

I encounter so many bugs I'd assume it'd be good for there to be video of them as they happen but at the same time I don't know if the developers want videos of the gameplay out yet and I wanna make sure I respect those wishes yk

[gusty ginkgo]

Let me play you all the song of my people.... (4).. (3)... (5). (1).....

[opaque jasper]

If they didn't want gameplay out they wouldn't let people play it imo

Also, see all of the soulframe youtubers

Saralovesarchery for example

[iron nimbus]

DE didn’t confirm it yet?

[opaque jasper]

Not sure, I miss a lot lmao

[steel mauve]

Fair enough, I'm just very cautious about not overstepping boundaries since I'm kinda new to both games. 😭

[opaque jasper]

There would be a disclaimer for sure

But DE definitely want more eyes on the game so they encourage people to make content

Get footage for bug reports, etc

[steel mauve]

Still giggling how my first experience with warframe was being locked in key-bind hell. XD

"You need to have the jump key bound" <- Has not altered the jump key, and still did that even after I reset the bindings.

Can't wait to experience something similar here knowing my luck

[slender saddle]

Where do I get rostrum dagger frags?

[ancient crane]

I believe you get it from kobocha now

[untold ibex]

Hybrid or extreme builds on tethren pact?

[astral fiber]

one thing that seems strange to me is walking around holding spectral sight all the time. am I missing something?

[brittle nacelle]

From patch notes, should drop from more banns and mk too

[slender saddle]

I see. Thanks!

[finite stone]

It's also on https://wiki.avakot.org/Rostrum, useful in case there's anything else you're looking for!

(Same info as patchnotes for now, will be updated if we find out the patchnotes were incorrect - which sometimes happens)

[regal tulip]

anyone have the pass code for invite to play

[slender saddle]

Good to know, ty 🙂

[brittle nacelle]

Cogah could have the banneret boss between Knell knight and the weaver, does it have a separate loot table to normal banns?

[finite stone]

oooh great point about gawth, they do have a separate loot table yeah but I wonder if DE added rostrum/maestro to them as well and didn't specify in the patchnotes

[brittle nacelle]

It can probably be tested fairly fast if someone is down to bully it all day

[finite stone]

Yeah I'd imagine the drop rates aren't too bad, certainly not wazzard drip levels

[brittle nacelle]

If it's not just me doing the bullying and killing it on repeat we can probably stack 20+ shrooms in the arena and then invite people to collect them and mention say something if Rostrum drops

[slender saddle]

I really worry about my faction levels. I'm level 5 in other two factions, but I was levelling up when it was 5k per level. When I change faction back will I keep my level 5, or it's reset because of new exp system?

[brittle nacelle]

Yeah you keep your faction rank

[olive skiff]

hahaha, this server would be flooded with complaints if it erased your standing

the grind is brutal as is

[quaint narwhal]

Quick random question, what do the Virtue requirements do ? does it increase total damage or something with the weapon ?

[olive skiff]

it gives bonus damage if you meet the requirements

[finite stone]

All explained on https://wiki.avakot.org/Virtues

[brittle nacelle]

If you don't have enough to hit the requirements you do less dmg or get less armour

[quaint narwhal]

Ah Gotcha, Tyvm!

[slender saddle]

I think so. Grinding with old system wasn't much easier

[olive skiff]

how is ode tempest in preludes 13. Did they fix it so its worth using again?

[brittle nacelle]

Sometimes I wonder if you remember the URL and type it out or have all of em ready to copy paste with how fast you respond

Like the speed is really impressive

[finite stone]

Hahaha I always have the wiki open since I'm usually working on it, and we have a neat search feature where you just type /<thing> and it immediately brings you to that thing so it's handy for helping people with questions etc

[prisma ledge]

I mean, I'm enjoying it on a Courage/Spirit build
Anything more than that I'd need to know what you consider "worth using"

[olive skiff]

Oh I am wondering if its worth using in Cogha. Is it of any use vs Cogha bosses? Or is it only really just for general use in the normal world?

[prisma ledge]

Well, the debuff on the 2 still doesn't work on bosses, but the hit negation on the 3 does

[olive skiff]

just wondering if they improved its scaling too for stuff like its stun duration

hmmm, interesting

probbably still not for boss runs but for mob clearing

[prisma ledge]

The extra damage from the 2 does seem to work on bosses though, so building up stagger works there

[olive skiff]

oh that is good

how about the duration on its skills because in preludes 12 they were very short?

[quaint narwhal]

So what can someone do if they got stuck between a wall and a rockand there isnt a way out ?

[olive skiff]

type / unstuck

[quaint narwhal]

Gotcha ty 🙂

[prisma ledge]

The 2 is still pretty short, but the 3 often outlasts mob encounters for me
The 1 is a bowling ball so duration is whatever

[olive skiff]

thank you, what I wanted to know

well, the 3 duration being improved is a win

in preludes 12 they were both very short

and long cooldowns so it felt bad

[prisma ledge]

Notably. The 3 can expire "early" if it absorbs enough hits, which number scales off Courage

[olive skiff]

interesting though it will probbaly last longer if your kitting with a ranged weapon

[prisma ledge]

Probably, yeah. I'm doing a Purity heavy attack setup because I think it's funny
(all this said, the main reason I'm using the Ode Tempest is a mix of "I like how it looks" and "grappling hook")

[olive skiff]

its why I wanted to know. Ode Tempest looks cool lol

[prisma ledge]

The fact that you can recolor pact arms now does help other pacts look good for fashionframe

[iron orbit]

how could it be that im way faster at farming stuff and crafting, then actually lvl things to 30. Is there something im missing? like an exp farm method or so ?

[wooden lotus]

I dont understand how gain more strenght or dex or magic stat... Im 15/16 strenght for my sword. Before the patch, i have no problem

[hollow patio]

Dude the reputation grind is crazy and boring af

[untold ibex]

That’s why I’m asking if a hybrid build is worth it I ain’t trying to rank up to 4 on a faction 😭

[brittle nacelle]

I only looked to the left and saw the search button a few weeks ago (just went to home page until then), but having a shortcut too is so freaking nice

[wooden lotus]

maybe because u dont need to farm, but just play and explore ? Im reput lvl 2 after 2 month of play

[hollow patio]

U have to activly go to the trees so no exploration

[ornate geyser]

Does anyone have a key they could donate to this poor soul?

[wooden lotus]

where can i get new prism ???

[hollow patio]

Faction trade

[sturdy nova]

check DM

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Prisms just click on the prism you want and it will tell you which enclave, which rank

[wooden lotus]

i need 16 courage, moira prism give me 15, its normal ? i can only equip first sword of the game ?

[brittle nacelle]

Im p sure the amount it gives depensd on your level, and don't forget you can get more from the pact's perk tree

[wooden lotus]

dont udnerstand why i have only 15 courage. Im lvl 27

[vagrant kayak]

You're not level 27, your Pact is, you're level 4

[hot valve]

Now, which of you got the Magick Garren rood build?

[wooden lotus]

im lvl 4?

How gain lvl ?

[hot valve]

Top left of your screen

[vagrant kayak]

Level more weapons/pacts and find the History motes around named locations to level your account

[wooden lotus]

ohhh ok

What level give ?

[finite stone]

Your level and how to increase it / what it gives is all explained in depth on https://wiki.avakot.org/Mastery

[hot valve]

Exactly like warframe. Your character is 4. Your gear, weapons and "frames/pacts" level you up. Once you max level something, throw something new on.

[rapid frost]

anyone getting stuck on the launcher checking for updates?

[wooden lotus]

ok ty !

[maiden raft]

Where is the virtue prism?

[neat night]

anyone managed to get to 18 without fey pact yet :

[slender saddle]

Verus Assassin worth picking up for free or I can get it for 1 faction exp later?

Nvm, chose the 3rd and bought verus for 1xp

Good thing I didnt get scammed

[dawn arrow]

I would feel so bad if it was picked up as a reward

like I picked up Igne mora sword only to realize it is dropping for me in doing tales, now i must farm for the potion

[amber bolt]

Don't know if itr's a bug but I was able to pick Warding Ways without Jolted?

[drifting dagger]

Can someone explain this to me? There are 3 symbols on a weapon. When I have 15 courage in brackets, I have (+27). When I have 25 courage in brackets, I have (+30). Why does 10 more courage deal so little damage?

[slender saddle]

When I was levelling factions rewards were something like "1 gossamer quartz" and other useless stuff so basically I got nothing

They changed it since Preludes 11 or 12 I guess

[brittle nacelle]

virtue cap probably

I assume it's a starting weapon?

[dawn arrow]

Assuming the 3 symbols are courage virtues, then 10 courage points should give 15 damage

[amber bolt]

I remember reading that History motes also contribute to the Envoy's character level, can someone confirm or deny?

[drifting dagger]

According to Ai, the most damage a wulder can do with 50 courage. Thats true ?

[kind roost]

is smite bow build worth making ?

[unborn grail]

bow is in general very strong so definetly

im rich like that

[slender saddle]

What's that. Glitch?

My experience of gathering wevetseed is having 3 seeds, then reducing it to 2 when collecting

[regal shadow]

So you're the one stealing all of our wevetseeds

[unborn grail]

[regal shadow]

[slender saddle]

I suspect avacot

My seeds are literally getting stolen several times a day

What is this glowing effect around players?

[turbid vapor]

I guess its the tree little butterflys they fly around u if u wear the paragon medaillon

[slender saddle]

I'm wearing it but I don't seem to glow. Maybe it's because of bestitching?

[unborn grail]

you have to stand still for the talisman

if you mean the arm its because of the smites

the wyld pacts have a feature where you can power a heavy attack by getting the corrosponding smites

[slender saddle]

I see now, ty

[fluid ravine]

Is there a way to cancel a replayed fable? Accidentally clicked on the stag one

[unborn grail]

nope

[delicate kindle]

Sooo... I have 79.998 rep cause of prisms. Do i really need to wait till rep reset to go to level 5? xD

[smoky crater]

if you got 16k today already, yes

[delicate kindle]

nah why dont they made the prisms cost 0 rep tho

[smoky crater]

[dapper spindle]

Does the gameplay itself eventually play similar to wf? Like early wf doing missions on repeat and going to the different planets. Is there a similar thing with soul frame? I’m still pretty early and progression is so confusing and I feel like I’m constantly having to hit G to know anything. (Obviously in prealpha and nothing set in stone just curious)

[kind roost]

there are 6 or so quests once done with thoose you farm for stuff and max your faction rep

[knotty moon]

True, but charming seems bugged, my suspicion is that it is possible to gain by freeing ducks from cages.

[drowsy elbow]

Ive talked to 8 ppl with the same experience and need someone to disprove this, all of them have got headpiece from north, chest from middle and trunks from south organ. I myslf have got 1 head north, 2 chest middle 2 trunks south. This is just a HUGE coincidence right?

[knotty moon]

Uh, got myself the Trunks from the south too (one fragment).
So you can add me to the pile.

[drowsy elbow]

Noway right, surely

[drowsy elbow]

I just need 1 person to disprove this. so I know we dont need to force middle organs for Chest frags

[knotty moon]

It doesn't sound like a coincidence, but until the drops are more than once every blue moon...

[delicate kindle]

For me after doing like 50 organs, i got 0 heads, 0 chest and 0 trunks total. So i cant confirm your theory

[drowsy elbow]

Yeah only started getting frags after my 40th one

[amber bolt]

A reforged weapon does not give you more points for the skill tree but do you get more Character Experience?

[drowsy elbow]

Anyway found 1 trusted vet now that said he got em spread out, so Im sure it was just a huge coincidence

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️

[delicate kindle]

No, you only get any kind of xp from the first time leveling the weapon

[tacit leaf]

Soulframe color scheme should be more realistic and not that dark imo

[knotty moon]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

[amber bolt]

Ok so
Just finished farming Gwylen to 30 and switched to Erstroot to start farming that
Even at rank 0 it oudamages the first by a lot
It feels so good

[tacit leaf]

Oh theres threads

[amber bolt]

(also the projectiles are so cool I want a wristcaster with those projectiles)

[tepid nexus]

Imo Erstroot is better than Seathorn even though it has a bit less dmg. It has 9% smite chance with totems and Seathorn has 5% which is almost double. Best mage weapon in game atm

That being said i prefer gauntlets like Odiac cause of their atk speed but we dont have 3 attunement ones yet

Which is problematic cause game uses flat armor

[knotty moon]

Feybalt is the great equalizer.

[tepid nexus]

How many times can it stack?

[knotty moon]

4 or 5 I think.

[tepid nexus]

Nice

Still hope we get 3 attunement gaunts though

[amber bolt]

I will never mind more wristcaster since my favourite playstyle is sword + wristcaster XD

[tepid nexus]

With 2 of these totems 1 for atk speed and 1 for smite chance gaunts are insane

Also atk speed passive maxed ofc

Combine it with odiac and ode pact its insane

That being said i hope we get weapon mog soon, i like Odiac but i prefer the ones from founders pack when it comes to looks

[knotty moon]

The pattern holds, got the chest from the middle one just now.

[dawn arrow]

So Juniper Bow has 2x Grace 2x Spirit attunements. If i choose a prism that goes hard on grace, it does more damage than going for a spirit/grace split Prism

[knotty moon]

Grace damage scales better iirc.

More info here: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1445485325248889012

[dire helm]

It's partly because you loose more points to courage with the split prism than you do with the all-in prism. It's also partly because the math with hybrid virtues isn't as linear as you'd think.

[dawn arrow]

But what does courage have to do with damage?

[dire helm]

That said, at the 2:2 ratio point, it should be about as linear as you're ever going to see. So it's probably mostly the lost points to courage in your case.

No, courage doesn't give a damage bonus.

That's probably the other thing affecting you though, because I think Grace does give some minor fractional bonus the other two don't get.

[dawn arrow]

Ahh ok i understand now

now the damage difference is very slight and i did go with the 2:2 split for fun but i found it interesting

[dire helm]

My paragon greatsword, which should be an even 2:2:2 split, jumps up ~10 points of damage when I shift all in on grace, vs the other two virtues.

It's not a ton compared to the total damage of the weapon, but it's there.

-# (the paragon also has about 5 points of damage extra on it that I can't account for in the maths, so it's possible, even probable, that the paragon is just weird )

[dire helm]

Yeah, basically, each virtue symbol is worth 0.5x scaling. So two of them is 1x. So whether you're splitting 4 points or 100, it should add up the same because there's effectively no multipliers at that specific point.

The moment you add or remove a symbol however (by using/removing a blessed joinery) you either jump to 1.5x or down to 0.5x on one of them and it gets a bit strange.

[dawn arrow]

When you put it this way, it makes sense

[dire helm]

Add to that, that grace apparently has a little extra (someone was saying 5/16ths, but idk where that comes from and can't fit it into my known math so far), and it gets complicated.

[sly escarp]

Except Grace

Grace is worth a little more than 0.5

[dire helm]

Yep, got to that right before you did. Thanks 😄

[dawn arrow]

ohh man now that you injected this logic into my mind, basically if a weapon has an even split of virtues it doesnt matter if a split prism/allin prism. You basically choose which one you want for your pact abilities

[sly escarp]

Except the requirement still matters

[dire helm]

Kinda, but the weapon base requirement is there to hold you back.

hopefully they'll add split requirements. Folks are asking for it.

[sly escarp]

So you can't use Purity, a Courage/Spirit weapon, on a pure Spirit build

[ruby girder]

Reqs become very easy to meet around envoy level 15 or so

[dire helm]

easy on some weapons, harder on others.

[sly escarp]

Unfortunately, right now some of the weapon requirements are fairly high for split builds

[knotty moon]

Would make sense to split the requirement according to the ratio of attunement.

[sly escarp]

For purity, being 3 Courage 2 Spirit, assuming 20 requirement, would be 12 Courage 8 Spirit to use.

Ehhh.

I'm not sure about it

[knotty moon]

Or more than split, make a Virtue contribute according to the attunement to the requirement.

[sly escarp]

At which point Purity can be used on anything but a pure Grace build

[dire helm]

"can be used" and "can be used at 100%" are two separate things, however.

I wouldn't mind seeing spirit mages using a weakened purity.

get some spellblade action.

[sly escarp]

I can agree with that

[knotty moon]

Would also make Blessed ease up on requirement, encouraging its use even more.

[sly escarp]

Now, would it be allowed to use a Blessed by Sapphene to let it use Grace as a requirement as well, at the cost of being 1 attunement

[dire helm]

Meeting the grace req at 1pip on purity would be a PITA

But I would also be OK with that if someone can pull it off.

[sly escarp]

And the weapon would do no damage comparatively

Because it's 1 pip

It's possible but not good

[dire helm]

Yeah, but let's remember the paragon exists and is effectively a grace greatsword atm because of the grace bonus.

[sly escarp]

True

[dire helm]

So... like, purity would be fighting uphill against something that already has two grace pips innately

[sly escarp]

Paragon is LEGIT OP in the current sandbox, having NO requirement it seems.

And scaling with 3 virtues evenly

[dire helm]

It is(nt). It's weird.

There are better weapons than it in all cases.

It's just good all around.

[sly escarp]

Oh, 100%. But you can use it with any build.

Which is imo VERY valuable

[dire helm]

Oh for sure, that's it's strength.

[knotty moon]

Should probably add this to one of the Virtue feedback threads.

[sly escarp]

I will say, I am against removing requirements entirely. I think that's an overreaction to what seems like a balance issue. Adjusting the requirements, either via numbers or changing the calculations on what contributes, would be more interesting.

[ruby girder]

After a certain envoy level (that we don’t have available yet) won’t paragon just end up being the most damage of any weapon eventually?

[dire helm]

Its weakness is that it's a heavy, slow, melee weapon, and 2 out of the 3 virtues it supports have harder hitting ranged weapons, and the melee class has much harder hitting melees in the same and other classes that hit faster.

[knotty moon]

Cap is still a thing.
X1.5 the base damage iirc.

[dire helm]

I think the reqs would also be fine if we got back our points from the pacts. I think the nerf there was either heavy handed or a bug or oversight or something.

Hopeing that they fix that too.

[ruby girder]

We airnt getting pact virtue buffs??

[dire helm]

pacts no longer give a passive virtue amount, and the skill tree options got brought down from +10 max to +4 max

[knotty moon]

Only the Arts, and those are nerfed to 4 from 10.
The base bonus was removed.

[ruby girder]

That’s too much…

[sly escarp]

Are there problems with this update? Yeah, plenty. But tbh a lot of it is workable, just has some issues. For example, prisms, not a bad thing in and of themselves. When combined with Requirements and Faction Shop grind, it's a Problem. Doesn't mean getting rid of prisms is the solution I think is best.

[dire helm]

yeah, my wyld builds effectively lost 27 virtue. it's insane

[sly escarp]

The nerf may be a bug, it was never outlined in patch notes

[knotty moon]

True.

[sly escarp]

When they went in and redid the trees they may have absentmindedly made each upgrade a flat 1 and didn't realize.

[dire helm]

This. I'm hoping they fix it for this reason. It would make some of the reqs make sense and pull us up from the insane state we're currently in I think.

Lots of hybrid builds start working with the extra 6 points here or there

[ruby girder]

I honestly don’t really see any of these as major issues.
Req are a little heavy handed in some places. I also wish there was a balanced prism, but that’s about it.

[sly escarp]

I also think that we should assume the best intentions from the devs, unless we are told explicitly a decision was made we should be gracious in allowing for bugs and balancing issues without assumptions of malice.

Especially during a long weekend, which means radio silence for 3 whole days.

[dire helm]

I've been holding off laying out my feedback for this update until they get some of the bugs we've reported sorted out, and have a chance to fix the pact virtue bonuses. I figure I'll type it all up this weekend. By then they should have a fair bit of this sorted or at least have a chance to tell us they intend on fixing it.

[knotty moon]

Devs: We dropped a cool update before the weekend.
Devs after returning: Everything is on fire!

[ruby girder]

How long have you played DE games?? lol

[sly escarp]

I do agree, at the very least a tunning Known Issues list added to the bottom of Hotfixes would help a lot in laying out what is not intended.

[ruby girder]

I love my DE devs, they’re my favorite devs…. But they drop big updates on Fridays a lot lol

[sly escarp]

*for Soulframe

Warframe is almost always on a Wed

[knotty moon]

We don't know they are known (to the devs at the time) issues.
But maybe maintaining a list in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224932323721296 might be worth doing?

[sly escarp]

Oh, no, mean the devs adding one to the bottom of the hotfix patch notes

"not fixed yet but is a bug and on our radar" would do wonders for clearing up what is a side effect of the system change and what is a legitimate bug.

[ruby girder]

Wasn’t Old Peace released right before a break? Whatever doesn’t matter lol

[sly escarp]

It was released a couple weeks before their winter holiday break

[dire helm]

-# * Shudders in Raljack Memories

[sly escarp]

But yeah, Soulframe being a pre-alpha typically means a more inconsistent update schedule

[ruby girder]

I don’t mind, game is gud, DEvs are artists who can take their time.

[full hearth]

[knotty moon]

I remember scrambling to farm those 10 mil credits.
Was quite surprised when they got refunded.

[frigid agate]

Ok after playing around with the combat in P13, Anyone else dislike the changes in lock-on? Before in P12 we could change target by facing a different enemy then blocking to lock-on to them but now we can't until we either kill the enemy current locked unto or move far enough away to break the lock. This is making melee in close range a pain as i can't switch target from the ordinary Ode foot soldier to the more pressing Baronet about to hit me with a heavy attack from behind as i'm stuck facing the other guy.

[knotty moon]

I think you can change target with no issues by just pressing the directional buttons toward the new target.
Didn't really make note of it, but feels as it should, I have no issue targeting what I want.

[valid herald]

Know something about hotfix?

Or no hotfix this week?

[knotty moon]

Most likely lots of hotfixes this week.

[valid herald]

Hahaha do you think will be this week?

[knotty moon]

Usually is after a big update, and they returned to work today, so maybe even today.

[frigid agate]

Yeah i know but it wasn't working properly earlier, hopefully it was just a fluke.

[ebon wraith]

I had same issues pre patch too not constant but happens

[frigid agate]

I posted a issue with the lock-on in bug-tracking, it was the oddest so far my character was facing a completely diffent direction while locked onto a target.

[lean prawn]

Wait was it a holiday in Canada too? I thought it was just a US thing

[ebon wraith]

As I understood it was Ontario holiday not country wide

[knotty moon]

Apparently so.

[lean prawn]

Coming back to all this is gonna be fun lol

[amber bolt]

About to max out staff arts :3

[half talon]

The team knew dropping on a Friday would give a few days for feedback and for folks to settle down a bit.

[knotty moon]

Also time to form measured feedback instead of gut reactions.

[kind roost]

still haven't decided what armor to get for bow build someone suggested orengall but i choose sirin so not in alcas faction

[fathom elm]

where do i find the motes for this location called milifaur? i walked around the castle multiple times every time i relogged and nothing spawned, even tried walking further away

[knotty moon]

Try the beach under the fort.

[fathom elm]

if u mean this already looked at it every time i relogged

[knotty moon]

I would go as far as the Sinecure camp.

[fathom elm]

can u send a waypoint where is that?

[knotty moon]

To under the statues.

[unkempt gazelle]

how do i get to dermark?

[sly escarp]

Again, @fathom elm , keep in mind the motes can spawn ANYWHERE in the range around the castle, including inside it. There is some RNG to the mote locations

[fathom elm]

just finished that tour

and no motes

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️

[halcyon thicket]

It's possible it's spawning out of bounds

That place has a long history of bugged motes

Even more possible now that's almost completely reworked

[fathom elm]

can u help a lil later finding atleast one of them @halcyon thicket

[fathom elm]

thats why i spam the mote button just incase i get it out of a wall or rock

[halcyon thicket]

Yeah sure

Btw they make a little chime noise

Like the sounds of small bells

[fathom elm]

accept request

[sly escarp]

It's Mirifuir, it's probably spawning inside the castle

Some of these locations motes are set up for locations we don't have full access to yet

[halcyon thicket]

Idk, it used to spawn behind it

[sly escarp]

And as such some motes can spawn behind walls the devs have in place, I think

[wet tulip]

imo if you scout the area and dont find a mote. just relog and check again( eventually the mote will spawn in a location you can reach)

[kind roost]

can someone suggest an armor to go for i use grace Sirin/Orengall pact smite bow build

[hot oriole]

what chestpiece is that

[wet tulip]

that is from the wazzard armor set

[hot oriole]

how many runs did it take

[wet tulip]

kind depends on what bow since if you will have a bit of spirit you should use the mockery armor and if you will have a bit of courage you should go for orengall armor

[kind roost]

how can i get orengall not in alcas sparrow tales so its in rng Hell ?

[tepid nexus]

138 life... thats 1 shot even in regular mode let alone Cogah lmao

[drifting urchin]

I am so glad they managed to add The Erstroot to the Organ drop table, at particularly high drop chance, I might add. Amazing decision, purest gold.

[unborn grail]

f it doesnt get fixed in a hotfix im flying into the organ

"lord synoid they hit the second organ"

[wet tulip]

ngl im not sure where you farm orengall armor set since it changed so much every preludes version and i got mine from P8

you should check wiki for the orengall armor drop tables

[kind roost]

i have says alcas chest piece can drop from collectors thats it

[wet tulip]

guess its time to grind alca's enclave

or get mockery for now till you get orengall

which ever you get faster

[kind roost]

how do i do that i choose sirin as first pact so in silent rose

[lean prawn]

Get to lvl 5 in Rose and you can switch

[amber bolt]

Are there specific tales that drop Seathorn fragments? I've been farming them for the whole day and didn't get a single one
Edit: nevermind I got 2/3 fragments I just didn't see the drops, ups

[lean prawn]

You have to craft a talisman for either Alca or Kith which you buy at lvl5 from your faction leader (tall lady in the bar)

[wet tulip]

grab a shimmer too to make the alca talisman

[arctic cedar]

Stag

[unborn grail]

you can switch before hitting level 5

[lean prawn]

Oh you can? I thought the shimmer was lvl 5 only

[unborn grail]

at rank 3 you can buy the shimmer i think, which you need to craft the other factions' amulet

[lean prawn]

Sweet!

[regal shadow]

it's rank 3, yeah

[wet tulip]

any T3 tales ( if you in kith the drop table is worse since the fire wrists can drop from T3 tales while in kith)

[unborn grail]

rank 3 or 4, once you craft the respective factions' amulet you can walk up to them and switch

[regal shadow]

but it would be best to max out your faction anyway, and get all the goodies from it, just so you dont have to switch back again

[amber bolt]

Just realized I have 2/3 fragments, I just didn't see the drop XD
Was going pretty autopilot tbh

[regal shadow]

ofc, it's easier now that they removed cooldown but still

[unborn grail]

there is no cooldown anymore so no harm in turbo switching to get what you want faster

[dawn arrow]

We want weapons talismans. +weapon type damage

[wet tulip]

well yeah no cooldown so no problem swapping to alca to get the orengall armor

which i find funny xD. "swap to alca to get grace armor " xD

[regal shadow]

is orengall grace actually? lmao why de

[wet tulip]

yeah its grace with a bit of courage scaling

[regal shadow]

bu- but orengall pact is spirit no? unless that was changed too?

[lean prawn]

I don't think pacts are vitue specific now.

Each pact has 3 abilities and each scales with 1 virtue.

[wet tulip]

all pacts no longer got any virtue affinity

[regal shadow]

oh, gotcha

[wet tulip]

no extra virtue passive bonuses from pacts either

[lean prawn]

Pacts do add virtue points but I dont know if its eavenly split or what

[arctic cedar]

Orengal is tied to Rose story I think so maybe that's why

Oh no wait that's Gareen lol

[regal shadow]

that's garren, yeah

[arctic cedar]

maybe cause it's good with bows then

[wet tulip]

well yeah orengall third ability buff grace instead of courage now

[arctic cedar]

It's kinda ranged pact with wolf to scout, mini wolf's to take aggro and 3rd skill to proc smite which has low chance on normal bow shots

[lean prawn]

I've been running Grace Tehtren and Courage Oscelda since patch. Both work but feel very different. Havne't touched Orengall but I used to run it mainly with Courage.

[wet tulip]

lol i just noticed they changed it to grace but didnt update the ability description

[unborn grail]

it was almost weekend

[wet tulip]

poor new players that start this game in P13 and think this buffs courage

[unborn grail]

dont think they get the pact that soon

[regal shadow]

doesnt really matter when they get it if the description is just plain wrong

[wet tulip]

shouldnt be more then 2-3 weeks tops

[lean prawn]

You get all 3 beast pacts from the main fable. I think I finished that in like 2 days?

[unborn grail]

you still gotta craft em no?

[regal shadow]

hope they fix it soon

[wet tulip]

considering you need T3 blacksmith

[lean prawn]

True. I got the recipe...took like a week to find enough pearls lol.

[wet tulip]

or T2 ngl i dont remember

[lean prawn]

Orengall was the first pact I made. Love the wolves.

[regal shadow]

all pacts need t3 blacksmith, ye, unless that was changed too, i have everything :p

[wet tulip]

yup xD

[lean prawn]

That's going to be interesting. I have to dust orengall off and try it with bow + clivers.

[arctic cedar]

It's been always op with bows

[lean prawn]

And backstab chomp is fun

[ruby junco]

Anyone found a fix for the loading screen bug after you choose a pact?

[wet tulip]

your best bet is report the bug with screen shots and hope for it to be fixed in the next hotfix

[narrow condor]

is this a bug? (Disregard weapon choice, just for example)

Blessed Quicksilver dont give attune bonus

[smoky crater]

quicksilver and feybalt are bugged in that way from what i know yeah

known thing

which it seems is also already being investigated 👀

[narrow condor]

okii no need to report right? already acked?

[smoky crater]

ye

[narrow condor]

thankies

[quasi wolf]

does anyone know where I am most likely to find mora's kiss

[neat citrus]

wiki.avakot.org does

[languid escarp]

forests

[quasi wolf]

It's quite incomplete the only thing I could find was midrath

[quasi wolf]

thanks

[languid escarp]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Droptable

they super common, red flowers

the actual page does not show drop source but that page does

[narrow condor]

also does this duck have a specific spawn spot? i just noticed still dont have it and I think i might have gotten like 800ish totems and 100ish ducks

[timber horizon]

lol, I was sitting at the login screen while working on something else and suddenly a voice came in saying "Wake Up"

"Wake up Tenn---Envoy?"

[dusty hatch]

Last patch there have been at least 2-3 animals that are unobtainable. not sure that got fixed

[narrow condor]

anyone notice if they got the voyager recently?

[timber horizon]

Which animal is that?

[dusty hatch]

Whats the voyager?

[narrow condor]

Duck Voyager

[finite stone]

Wym? It tells you 'forests and plains'

[dusty hatch]

ah. i've seen that on my screen a lot, but not recently.

[timber horizon]

Ah yes, I did get this one last patch

[narrow condor]

Its the only one Im missing apart from a rat, the rat im sure only because i dont hang around recently on cities

[narrow condor]

okie so just bad rng, will just farm. thanks!!

[timber horizon]

Yeah the ducks hanging around the coastline a lot maybe. I often run into them when I'm just hauling butt over to Medicant king or to whats his face up north and I always travel the coastline during those runs

[narrow condor]

yes i do get a fair amount of ducks which is why im bothered

[languid escarp]

I actually missed that too, alot of the other pages have a drop source / location section, was looking for that

[dusty hatch]

I'm missing one beaver and one duck

[finite stone]

Yeah those are data-driven if there is a specific task to complete or enemy to kill - for something that spawns commonly like flowers, you can't really list every single map coordinate haha

[dusty hatch]

First time ive heard specific animals within their group have a specific area they are tied to. you sure thats right?

[narrow condor]

but yeah he got one recently so just bad rng

[languid escarp]

talking bout flowers

[finite stone]

they do, you'll only find beavers and ducks near water for example

[pine warren]

Man is there really no spot where will o fronds spawn more often than not

[dusty hatch]

Yeah, obviously. I was wrongly assuming the person meant a certain beaver would spawn at a certain body of water.

[steel remnant]

do I have to wait 28 minutes for the stag?

[languid escarp]

yeah, you can't fix stupid lol but on the droptable it's in forest flowers, my eyes were looking for "Location - forests and plains" or something

[finite stone]

I could add a second header that repeats what's on the first line I guess 😅 I just dunno there's literally nothing more to say about flower spawns really

[wet tulip]

if you talking about my river theory with the white beavers. My theory was simply that in the said river you had 5-6 fixed beaver spawner making it a prime spot to farm said rare beavers

[dusty hatch]

nah, i was talking to another person but they weren't even talking about totems. all good

[wet tulip]

never claimed you get a white beaver 100% of the time you simply had much better chances

[finite stone]

like @quasi wolf did the page confuse you, would it be easier with a second header that repeats the info about forests and plains?

[languid escarp]

i just scanned it and my brain said, no location info....

[narrow condor]

you know a good coastal spot with good duck weight on spawn?

[languid escarp]

my brain dumb :)

[knotty moon]

Near Othaves.

[narrow condor]

roger

[wet tulip]

you can try my beaver route there is like 2-3 duck spawners in this route too

[finite stone]

tbf I think I might just copy it a second time under a location header, can't really hurt to be super clear in general 🙏

[wet tulip]

simply go back and forth and pop in and out to nightfold each time you reach any route end

[quasi wolf]

Sorry I just can read lmao

[finite stone]

Hahaha dw it's fine, I think I'm going to add a second header to flowers and just make it super easy to find anyway, will be better for users I reckon

[lone iris]

Is there anywhere that shows known issues?

[sly escarp]

Not currently

[finite stone]

There's so many (with it being alpha) that there's not really one spot but you can always search the posts people have made in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788

[sly escarp]

But if there's a thread that ecists in #1438224825113120788 You can reply to bump it up as an issue

[lone iris]

Ok thanks

[steel remnant]

why tf did the bird just take me away from the sparrow's tale and triggered the 30s countdown?

i was tracking the correct one

[knotty moon]

Bird sometimes get drunk.

[steel remnant]

so annoying

at the end of the quest there was avakot according to the mission

[ebon wraith]

did you by chance place a marker on the map?