gameplay-discussion

[manic sage]

nope, thay are not there

[glad flume]

Something that caught my eye is that the -% parry cost is now red, which makes it look like it's a flaw rather than a boon? Curious if it means it takes that much more stability to block rather than that much less and maybe just poorly worded..

[wet tulip]

it can matter with dmg scaling though

[smoky crater]

and not in the "Assembled" tab? like the one where you claim them?

[dusty hatch]

Not sure what you mean. You can use all three skills regardless of how your virtues are assigned. Most pacts have one strong skill, one supportive mid tier skill and one sht skill. Your virtues assignment changes nothing about that.

[unreal roost]

interesting, is it new? Id ont think ive ever fought one

[frigid spoke]

since cogah came out

[meager tree]

Wow the organ is so sick

[glad flume]

Your skills literally scale with virtues. You can use all three, but you're going to be gimping the other two if you only build for one. Which can be okay in some builds, sometimes all a build needs is one skill, but if you're not wanting to only buff one skill in your kit, there's reason to consider going with a hybrid.

[dusty hatch]

What I mean is, why have you not crafted a single weapon from that list?
Without the full list, one cannot confirm that the armor is missing

[prisma cargo]

For me it's still shown as a positive

[glad flume]

Oh weird.

Might have just been a visual bug on my end then

[abstract badge]

When I add any stability cost from 0 it is also red

[manic sage]

ok till yesterday they dont appeared even in my inventory, but yes i crafted them in the past, then i forgot what i did, but they didnt appeared in my inventory, and now yes, in some way you helped me hahahah

[restive musk]

Is there any way to reset the permanent upgrades we chose during the story now?

[dawn arrow]

is it possible for a new world tree to have 0 tales/quests? just camera goes up where i can post words

[trim oriole]

replay the quest and choose again

[prisma cargo]

I'd assume it's still a buff, why would a joinery debuff your weapon in any way

[dusty hatch]

But all skills scale with the virtues. It's not like the red skill only scales with courage, and blue only with grace. It's still the same courage=damage, grace=duration or whatever it was. So I don't decide which skill to use, I decide what attribute of all skills to strengthen

[glad flume]

Its literally like that now lmao

They changed it from damage/duration/range

[dusty hatch]

Need to find a different prompt at the tree. The quest prompt is a bit to the right of the word thingy prompt.

[meager tree]

Bro they literally changed it, that was the whole point

[glad flume]

[dawn arrow]

aww thanks i missed that

[wet tulip]

pretty sure the point that is being made here is if you focus on 1 virtue only 1 of your pact skills is gonna be good and the rest are gonna be basic with 0 bonuses

and not like it was before where you could buff all skills ( dmg/duration/range)

meaning going hybrid builds is better

[meager tree]

The rest of your skills are going to be standard, and one is going to have a bonus. That is no way a nerf or debuff, the base kit is solid and you get a buff of that skill from virtues

[dusty hatch]

Ok. I'm running wyld tethren with wyld spirit prism and I literally have no issue using the skills the same as before. I press red skill, my damage increases on consecutive attacks, I delete the screen with a few wand attacks. Nothing indicating I would need to carefully chose which hybrid prism to use

[wet tulip]

and the bad point about it is we cant see the stats

[gaunt falcon]

Anyone try out a Bromius hybrid build and uhhh the stomp is doing 1dmg to lvl 1 enemies???

[meager tree]

Thats because the skills are solid. But str/duration/range is NOT a thing anymore. Read the patch notes and watch the videos, this has been common knowledge for months

[wet tulip]

need to retest all skills again xD

[unreal roost]

im sorry to ask, can anyone list out where we get new stuff. Im gonna copy paste it to note pad for future use

[gaunt falcon]

got to the patch notes site

[lean prawn]

Looks like they added new Undercity tiles and they are cool!

[meager tree]

Read the patch notes dude

[prisma cargo]

Am I stupid or do blessed feybalt joineries don't increase attunement for some reason?

[gaunt falcon]

this might be a bug, i've noticed the same thing

[prime shadow]

on orengall it seems like virtue scaling only affects duration of the ability

[dusty hatch]

I understand the point , I just think that's not how it works. If I don't put point in green virtue, my green skill is still working and doing what it's supposed to do. I don't see what's different

[wet tulip]

nobody saying if you dont go hybrid the rest of the skills are poop. they simply arent getting buffed

but you cant know how they are getting buffed either

[meager tree]

Exactly. Modt skills dont even need a buff

[glad flume]

That's literally how it works. This isn't a thing to debate, its outright been said.

[wet tulip]

since there are no stats to show

[forest glen]

it does sound like spirit gives you global cooldown reduction on your skills

like how courage gives you life

[gaunt falcon]

it does lol

[forest glen]

and grace gives you ..?

[wet tulip]

more lethality with weapons xD

[gaunt falcon]

extra dmg for finishers, headshots and stealth attacks

[forest glen]

finisher damage..?

ah okay headshot too

[meager tree]

And sneak attacks and ground finishers....

[forest glen]

so pretty solid for doing siren things at least

[civic tangle]

it increases parry damage too, my dewelion is doing over 1k damage on a riposte lmao

[prisma cargo]

"Critical hits" basically

[dusty hatch]

You lost me. I repeat again, im playing the game the same as before. My tethren skills do the same as before. But I have a super special only points in green prism, and my red skill still shreds. So what are you arguing?

[glad flume]

You lost me. I'm typing things and you're still wrong.

[gaunt falcon]

Yeah, it's Tethren, it always shreds lol

[civic tangle]

tethren 1 overtuned. water is wet. more news at 11

[hardy wolf]

I got 3 staff frags back to back from tales

[lament path]

Wait that does make it worth it huh

[glad flume]

At this point its like you're just arguing to refuse admitting that you were wrong. Take the L and move on my man.

[wet tulip]

the point being argued about is if you focus only 1 virtue it means only 1 skill will be buffed beyond its normal state

[hardy wolf]

off hnad dagger things were craftable upon log in and magic off hand buy 2 frags for 15k

[forest glen]

not clear how much things were changed but at least before most skills had good base values and weren't that dependant on scaling

[stiff arrow]

Anyone know where Seathorn parts drops?

[hardy wolf]

tales

[dusty hatch]

Ok. Buffed in what way? All ways? Damage. Duration. Range, Cool down?

[wet tulip]

exactly we cant know

[meager tree]

courage/spirit/grace effect HP/cooldown/finishers NOT strength/duration/range AND the more points into a virture, the more of a buff that ability gets

[wet tulip]

but the devs said it will be buffed

[forest glen]

it's gonna change skill-by-skill

[meager tree]

yes (not cooldown, thats directly effected by spirit)

[forest glen]

probably one or more of damage duration or range

[vale forge]

how do i do the last part of the orga??

[wet tulip]

its either all around buffed or just in 1 way and we cant know since there are no stats to show a change

[forest glen]

and because of their love of not telling us how anything works it just all needs to get tested

[opaque vortex]

what must i do for the tend the harvest mission, ive been trying to find it out in game for 10 mins now lol

[zenith knoll]

interact with the machine where you saw a guy get pecked by ducks

[dusty hatch]

HP and finishers are not ability buffs

[vale forge]

i did but how do i do that part

[forest glen]

yeah the ability buffs are seperate

[meager tree]

i never said they were

[glad flume]

Certain skills being stronger does not mean other skills innately suck all of a sudden. The point remains that if you want to build into more than one skill moving forward, and have those skills become stronger, you use a relevant prism to distribute your stats for that.

[forest glen]

red ability scales with courage, green ability scales with spirit, blue ability scales with grace

[meager tree]

bro there is like 3 videos and a patch notes explaining all of this

[forest glen]

seperate from the life/cdr/finisher thing

[glad flume]

"But I still don't need to" and I can beat bosses with Vetch, but that doesnt mean Dewelion's pointless.

[zenith knoll]

aim at the organ's weakspots and press the buttons in the order they appear around the reticle

[vale forge]

OHH OK

[forest glen]

if you check wiki i'd bet they scale in similar ways to how they scaled before, just switched to the matching stat

[dusty hatch]

You didn't. I didn't either. But the guy who's on me the last half hours keeps arguing that virtue points directly influence their correspondong abilities and I still don't see how that's supposed to be the case.

[vale forge]

TYSM

[meager tree]

the organ is so cool

[prime shadow]

I think people are here are being obtuse just to argue at this point.
YES abilities are technically worse when you don't spec for that ability specifically
NO this doesn't matter because the abilities are already good, and now you get to specialise instead of just going for 1 best optimal build

[meager tree]

it is the case, and there are 3 videos and patch notes explaining that, this is something we all have known about for like a month

[narrow condor]

no more seeders cause thawtide is gone?

[zenith knoll]

seeders are gone yeah

[civic tangle]

yep, no more seeders. the weapons can be still obtained, but the armor is now gone until it returns

[gaunt falcon]

considering bromius stomp is bugged atm even when fully spec'd into courage, we can assume that PERHAPS other abilities and the way they scale are bugged as well.

[narrow condor]

does armor count to character level

[gaunt falcon]

So does it work the way DE says? Sure, maybe. But it's all bugged lol

[glad flume]

"The guy whose on my for the last half hours keeps repeating what the developers said themselves"

fixed that for you

[meager tree]

lol exactly, the concept is there, but in practice, no clue.

[prime shadow]

DE clearly still needs to update ability descriptions. orengall howl for example still says it multiplies courage

[meager tree]

exactly, if you read the patch notes it says its grace now. dont trust the game, trust the patch notes lol

[prime shadow]

I can only hope every description mentions how its improved in the future

[glad flume]

This is like arguing that gravity doesn't exist because you can jump. Like, yes, its not so oppressive that you're unable to leave the ground for a moment, but I promise its there.

[forest adder]

how can i get invite, i download the game but cant play

[meager tree]

btw i just want to say THE ORGAN IS INCREDIBLE

[tacit leaf]

Hey chat, where is the new pact? Wasnt supoosed we will get one along with the rework of virtues?

[prime shadow]

no not yet afaik

[civic tangle]

it probably needs to be tested but i think each attunement pip has its own attunement cap

[tacit leaf]

But it got published aight? Sum medic designs along with new basementl zone

[civic tangle]

purity with an unblessed gildaur, changing to mora blessed

[meager tree]

They showed pictures of WIP stuff but it was never going to be in p13

[tacit leaf]

Oooo

[civic tangle]

it could just be that the attunement caps are way higher but i dunno, i got a lot of courage lol

[tacit leaf]

I have one shard only, is it worth? I main wyld oscelda

[lean prawn]

Combat feels way better. Even after just a few minutes I could feel a big difference. Animations are tighter, everything flows better, more responsive. Enemies aren't spamming heavy attacks ever half second. There's still some jarring target jumps but they happened WAY less often.

[tacit leaf]

Just helped a friend to get it

[civic tangle]

purity? it's pretty good but has a hefty courage requirement

needs 21 courage to even equip it

[tacit leaf]

Staffs feels wacky, very slow for very slow damage output. Imo needs more attack speed

[tacit leaf]

Damn, how can you get courage now with the rework?

[forest glen]

prisms, talismans, pact arts

[civic tangle]

any prism leaning into courage by any amount

[forest adder]

do anyone know how i can get a invitation?

[tacit leaf]

Devstreams or pay

[opaque vortex]

hey so what do i do here, nothing seems to be working or happening lol

[tacit leaf]

We are hard-farming, there wont be a reset when game launches aight?

[lean prawn]

Haven't played staff so I can't attest. I'm sure lots of weapons still need tweaks but longblade, sword+shield, dagger all felt quicker and better flowing.

[frigid spoke]

look for bigger shrooms to pick

[forest adder]

how i do that

[tacit leaf]

This patch was a nerf but a buff for melee, staffs needs love, and i dont want autoaim we should get an option to avoid that my mouse is going to have syndrome for holding it for too long against fast bosses

[opaque vortex]

theres nothing in the radius i can pick up or interact with :(

[grand spindle]

yea I wonder if thats a bug or intended? if latter, it amound of points to spend at higher lvl you get 1 extra point is waste. So every level should cost 1 point spent tbf

[spare badge]

And people were panicing about blessed joinery changes... 🤣

[tacit leaf]

But its bugged i think.

Because both Oscelda and Wyld Oscelda syncronizes points and i have extra

[tacit leaf]

How do i even equip gildaurs bro

[spare badge]

They're joineries, not equippables.

[tacit leaf]

Wdym l

Like passives?

[civic tangle]

at the tuvulkane/the forge, click reforge

you can select a weapon to reforge to add a joinery to it

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Joineries

[civic tangle]

blessed joineries require the item to be level 30, and will reset it to level 0; this does NOT let you gain mastery xp/envoy level xp again

[spare badge]

Sort of. You could think of each joinery like a set of passives that you can have Tuvalkane embue a weapon with. But if you change it, you don't get it back and the new one overrides the old one. They don't stack.

[wet tulip]

seems like the sap you can collect from trees respawns if you relog and you dont have to wait for 30 mins ( this is a bug)

[graceful agate]

Can you do the healing pact and play like bow or sword or something. Or would that be silly. I know I can play however I want but like would that just be stupid

[frigid spoke]

play your way

[graceful agate]

I'm currently staff and don't really love it

[graceful agate]

I get that but I don't want to be doing silly things that minimize my characters potential. I still don't fully understand the systems

[spare badge]

Yeah. Weapons no longer lose base stats for not meeting the attune requirements. They just don't get extra bonus damage.

[knotty moon]

Yes, as soon as you craft one.

[frigid spoke]

There's no real meta, play how you like. I use a bow w/oscelda also

[lean prawn]

Bow oscelda is fun (or as when we had a spirit bow and dagger...hopefully still is, need to try with the new blades)

[tropic charm]

there absolutely is a meta, it's just that the meta changed a few hours ago so we don't know whats the new meta

[tacit leaf]

So equippables

[graceful agate]

Ok thanks! I have the healing pact (don't remember the name) and then staff and a little arm sidearm thingy that are all spirit based

[wet tulip]

pretty sure its still polearms tethren xD

[frigid spoke]

Has anyone found a location about for the notes for the new fables?

[spare badge]

No. Equippables are armor, runes, totems, weapons, etc. Joineries are part of the crafting system. Reforging.

[frigid spoke]

er mini quests

[tacit leaf]

New meta is literally Wyld Oscelda....
I did an infinite room with friends. Staying on water was ANNIHILATION. Every ability each 5 seconds, i got so many crows they were dropping our fps from +144 to 23

[lament path]

Oscelda always had been good with a small puddle of water

[tacit leaf]

Did up to level +59 enemies (i even got an X for weapon powercrept but crows were tanking ripping) being us with level 7 weapons and pacts. My pact was at level 15 when we ended

[near cliff]

how do we open the tower for the new organ mission?

[civic tangle]

ok orengall is hilarious now

[wet tulip]

free animals stuck in sludge and open vents

[hexed spoke]

should give us the option to urinate and use that puddle man

[civic tangle]

howl gives grace which actually makes me do like 30 more damage on just light attacks with an un-leveled dewelion

[spare badge]

I just got done redoing my pact artes allotments and just picked up the prisms from my current faction. Haven't had time to visit the other 2 factions yet. Update's only a couple of hours old, so don't expect everyone to have found/done everything yet.

[tacit leaf]

Not enough, in the king that gives purity the water wasnt triggering passive

[hexed spoke]

well maybe if we get 2 other envoys and pee on 1 spot

[undone minnow]

It took a level ~20 banneret 9 minutes straight of attacking to kill me. WTF happened to armor scaling

[wet tulip]

pair it with flitsmoke and have fun xD

[tacit leaf]

Idk but thetren hp got a massive nerf

[frigid spoke]

lol don't be on the zipline at end of organ mission when the mandatory pause hits, it'll drop you =/

[civic tangle]

dewelion can't use flitsmoke unfortunately but i plan on using the clivers for flitsmoke lol

[wet tulip]

i just meant to gain extra bonus on the back stab xD

[civic tangle]

yeah

grace melee can perform better than courage melee i think, but its reliant on actually parrying

[graceful agate]

What kind of weapon is the Oscelda

[hexed spoke]

has anyone tried using a blessing if it still resets the weapon to 1?

[civic tangle]

courage melee can kinda just... throw attacks at them because they get like 700 hp lol

[civic tangle]

it does, i did it with my dewelion

[ivory cobalt]

is there a thread for the mini quests ?

[hexed spoke]

weapons arent fixed, but if you wanna do a spirit build, use any weapon that scales with it

[marsh belfry]

do i have this right, if im grace heavy af (like saphenes shadow), i get headshot/finisher bonus damage, but as for my skills (sirin) only the butterfly (aligned) is augmented, which probably just means it lasts longer?

[civic tangle]

think it should do more damage too, but yes

[marsh belfry]

at first i thought wyld sirin was the deep grace one, but oops its the shadow, coffee time

[civic tangle]

so if you'd like to make another ability stronger, you'd need to use a hybrid virtue prism

[graceful agate]

How do you switch between the different Wylds

[civic tangle]

you get wylds from founders packs which are $30 each, if you mean switch pact, you have to unlock them through in-game quests first and switch to them in your nightfold

[marsh belfry]

gonna be hard to really know what prism is a favorite until we better know the scale and effect of virtues and skills

[civic tangle]

wylds will eventually be earnable in-game, they're just cooking on the method of getting them

[graceful agate]

I bought the paragon pack to suppport the devs because I love this style. Just not sure how ANY of these systems work

[zenith knoll]

omg they added Crypt tales

[civic tangle]

when you go into your nightfold, there's this tent. at the back, there's this little glowing spot. when you walk up to and press F on it, mouse over the Pact icon and click Swap

[graceful agate]

Ok. I'm starting to see. So the pact will determine your abilities. The virtues you want to get based on whatever weapon it is you want to use

[civic tangle]

yep

your pacts determine your abilities, your virtues determine what ability is stronger and what equipment you can wear

[graceful agate]

sick. And you can change all this anytime you want. Sick

[civic tangle]

the top right icon of your loadout is your virtues, you can change your virtue prism (you get 3 prisms from paragon founders too)

[graceful agate]

What's the difference between Oscelda and Wyld Oscelda

[civic tangle]

courage = melee, grace = rogue/bows, spirit = casters

[tropic charm]

wyld = prime

[copper surge]

So will this game Soulframe have building? Like Clan/Guild building? Its co-op like Valheim?

[civic tangle]

wyld oscelda gives you a little bit extra of its assigned Virtue (for Oscelda, it's Spirit)
wylds also count as a different "pact" for that family, so when you go to the Upgrade tree, you can get the points to Upgrade from both Oscelda and Wyld Oscelda

[knotty moon]

Co-op yes, clans not yet.

[past drift]

How's the combat changes? I can't get on until later but I'm excited to try it out and see if melee feels better

[graceful agate]

Ok, the base Oscelda is rank 19 but I guess I need to switch to the Wyld

[copper surge]

what about base building? Can I build base ?

[near cliff]

How do i open opera door? I hit open bottom vents but the face icons dont do anything when i throw weapon at them

[hardy wolf]

I got 3 frags back to back from t3

[past drift]

Also did they nerf that one super strong dagger rune or can I still infinitely chain backstabs? It's def OP but it's pretty fun

[civic tangle]

yes and no; you should level Oscelda to 30 so that you get all of the benefits of doing so (total envoy level XP, pact arts upgrade points)

[sly escarp]

Long blade at least feels LEAGUES better

[knotty moon]

Not atm, but given Warframe does it I expect this to do it as well at some point.

[graceful agate]

Ok, sick

[past drift]

Siiiick

[civic tangle]

there's a number in the top left of your loadout; this is your Mastery Rank, or Envoy Level. it's gained from leveling any equipment to 30, and increases your overall power

[unreal roost]

Has anyone tested paragon GS after the rework?

[civic tangle]

-# (more specifically, it gives you more virtue points.)

[graceful agate]

Ok cool! THanks for all the info! And so is there a melee weapon that scaled into spirit or not really

[gaunt void]

any early farm suggestions for a new account?

[civic tangle]

another reason you should level up Oscelda to max and then use Wyld Oscelda, is that the Upgrade tree gets points from both of them, and they share the tree. so a fully leveled Tethren and Wyld Tethren can look like this, while another Pact with no Wyld looks like the one on the right

[sly escarp]

Apparently it's just good now

2/2/2 scaling is WILD

[unreal roost]

wth

just make it a skin for other GS's if its gonna suck forever

[sly escarp]

No, like, Paragon is just solid now

It scales off 3 virtues

[tropic charm]

so bows got mega buffed

[civic tangle]

The Royal Tines (dual short blades) do, but they have a Grace requirement

[knotty moon]

Festival of the Circade should be easy enough and gives some good stuff: https://wiki.avakot.org/Festival_of_the_Circade

[sly escarp]

At a rate of 2 scaling per virtue

That's an insane amount of Scaling

[tropic charm]

hitting 83 dmg on the arrow rain on unranked blitzel

[frigid spoke]

Organ is fun but seems a big easy =/

[sly escarp]

It's more long than difficult, yeah

[graceful agate]

Sick. Thanks

[sly escarp]

Lots of steps to it

[civic tangle]

yeah the game got a little easier because our numbers went up a bit

haven't messed with Cogah post-update yet, though

[marsh belfry]

thats kinda my personal main issue with the game rn, being maxed out everything just melts, need that new seige and rougher mobs

[frigid spoke]

still trying to find the notes to start one of the new mini quests.

[civic tangle]

very easy issue to fix though, they're suuper focused on just getting things added and working

it's hard to remember, but this game is still alpha, so it's good to remember to treat it as such; balance will be wonky and what-not, be sure to let them know

[sly escarp]

Everything is a bit too easy now

[smoky palm]

With all the changes, which is now the strongest short blade? What about bow?

[sly escarp]

Healer + Tethren can easily make you immortal

[civic tangle]

yeah healer is insane, i think it works on lifesteal too

[sly escarp]

Because every kill refills a quarter of your health

[sly escarp]

Yup, both Recovery Hits and Gildaur Lifesteal

Might legit be more broken than Sympathy

[civic tangle]

and that's not even considering that sympathy is also affected by it, lol

[sly escarp]

Yup

Not that Sympathy needed it

[finite stone]

btw you might've seen by now but there are three!

[civic tangle]

to me healer sounded like it was going to share healing, not uhh

basically double all healing i think? certainly feels like it

but, all arts trees are due for an overhaul, so i doubt it'll remain as powerful

[lament path]

Oscelda healing is going to be pure immortality unless you get one shot huh

[copper surge]

Is it possible to change Envoy Title/name once its set? Like is it possible to switch/name change?

[civic tangle]

yes, go to the website iirc

[marsh belfry]

oscelda healing is at least a very small radius now

maybe a little bummer for groups as if they dont come stand on/very close, no heals

not sure if this changes with virtues ofc

[civic tangle]

lol

i just did 800 damage per hit against Reaper

[vestal crystal]

wait who is Reaper?

[civic tangle]

big dog agari, in the most north eastern glades

[vestal crystal]

ohhh

[civic tangle]

there are some agari bosses that spawn in dungeons

[near cliff]

How do i get in opera tower? the head statues are not goign down like in dev video

[tropic charm]

hold soul mode and look around
||free animals trapped in corruption -> break pipe valves for them to enter so the door opens||

[copper surge]

so I downloaded game but how do I join

[lament path]

Is it just me or is combat a lot smoother and faster now?

[knotty moon]

It was one of the main focus points of P13.

[lament path]

It is very noticeable, damn they did a good job

[civic tangle]

got the cliverrrssss

[knotty moon]

It is making me reevaluate the Greatsword.

[serene shell]

I genuinely am not feeling the new virtue system or the requirements for the hear. I really really hope it gets better with more virtue prisms because

[novel moon]

Think they might need to add some base virtue points

[lament path]

Ability usage feels less static too

And yeah the greatsword feels, great

[knotty moon]

I can parry again. :3

[hexed tree]

TLDR;; Combat change was great. Virtue system is still rough and only made worse now.

[prime shadow]

I found an incredibly funny quirk of orengall

her howl REDUCES your damage with grace weapons

[gray sand]

is there no difference between the quicksilvers mora saphene and iridus now? my bows are all grace

[civic tangle]

i haven't experienced that

[narrow condor]

what does blessed joineries do now? increase attunement cap?

[torpid cape]

Whats a prelude honour?

[narrow condor]

yeah if i put blessed irudus on odiac its still 2 spr 2 cour

idk why

[gray sand]

is my mendicant gear useless now for oscelda pact?

[knotty moon]

Not really, just use a Courage Prism.

[lament path]

Dont forget to reinvest your pact points since they reset

[winged dome]

finallyu lets gooo

[gray sand]

reinvest what points? nothing got reset?

[dusty hatch]

Your pacts are back to 0 points invested, need to reassign points.

[zenith knoll]

omg I found a new miniquest

[tropic charm]

pacts got reset for me

[zenith knoll]

okay so the miniquest is asking me to kill enemies somewhere east of Skelfies, but the map tells me to go to the complete opposite direction

[gray sand]

bruh before update i got 3 maestro bows with each quicksilver mora saphene and iridus and starling with quicksilver mora and juniper with iridus now its all grace lol

[unreal roost]

bruh burning blade hits like a truck now

its so much fun

[fallen orchid]

use a different prism & it won't be.

[wet tulip]

xD

seems like we getting all them prisms soon

[tardy fossil]

any chance to test this game?

[fallen orchid]

facts!

[trim oriole]

do you think they delay hotfixes until they think of something funny to say in the chat?

[lament path]

Not surprising since before you could already have constant elderblooms in the water while virtues didnt do anything for the skilll really, made medicant king pretty easy.

[meager tree]

Yeah but 9 is wild. P12 you could have like 3 max

[cosmic hornet]

how my character feels about their face after the new facial settings dropped

[wet tulip]

lolz so essentially oscelda is unkillable unless you get 1 tapped

[lament path]

Always has been

[wet tulip]

well in cogah you still needed to dodge xD

[lament path]

You got a group stun and birds to distract

Oh yeah cogah it is kill or be killed real fast

[wet tulip]

and now you can face tank if they dont 1 shot you xD

[meager tree]

Im not sure i moved like a couple feet each placement so I could count them. I wonder if I stacked them if their healing stacks

[lament path]

That spider hit a lot harder than I thought it would

Cogah bosses swing wildly in difficulty

Though it might also be with how cogah scales with you I recall

[gusty dagger]

hot fix>

[cursive coral]

Yeah them spider bosses hit like trucks

[unreal roost]

Hey all, anyone found where to change envoy name? it says account settings but nothing there

[wet tulip]

yup let the shopping begin xD

[lament path]

Archer and medicant king were pushovers, same with the guy right from spider

[celest nimbus]

Hey guys,
How do I get access to the Kith Of Kings Enclave, when I did not choose Tethren as my starting pact? It says I should kill the Ashen Spirit, but there is none. Waited till night at the entrance..

[forest glen]

you have to craft the associated talisman

[fallen orchid]

it should be there, I've helped my friend change there's already

[wet tulip]

try relogging and going there. i think if you wait there and night begins the ghost might not spawn

[forest glen]

Medallion of Mora for Kith of Kings

[celest nimbus]

ok, ill try. Thank you

[unreal roost]

just found it TY. Have to click password first

[forest glen]

once you've crafted it it will let you in and you can swap

[fallen orchid]

You still have to push the button by the door for the ashen spirit to show.

[celest nimbus]

But do i need the talisman when I just want to enter to get the prism? I dont have it, yet

[maiden peak]

what i need to do im stuck....

[scenic solar]

Anyone feel like the virtue requirements for the armors is a bit of a bad idea, (or at least the scaling they need)? Like the It's looking like the Orengall armor will only be wearable by a fully leveled Wyld Sirin, and not well... Orengall

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[gusty dagger]

uh?

[wet tulip]

for science

[dry rampart]

See, I did that and just instantly died lmao

[vestal crystal]

not really... the virtue system is now meant to feel more like a class system. You choose your class and you build your armor around that. I think it fits

[scenic solar]

Then why is the scaling so high?

[vestal crystal]

we don't really need to see to what the virtues give anymore. We have to look at what playstyles it gives us. Spirit = Mage, Courage = Warrior, Grace = Rogue. Each class has it's armor sets and weapons but they are trying not to actively punish you for trying on other things

[scenic solar]

I doubt I'd be able to use the armor designed for a specific pact without having it maxed out

[unreal roost]

so level it

[scenic solar]

As in I need to use something else's armor WHILE leveling it

[vestal crystal]

to be fair that is only with high gear armor. if you have high gear armour you most likely have a high account level which influences the amount of virtue points you get

[marsh belfry]

am i doing something wrong, 3rd world tree i walked to, no quests, just social posting

[unreal roost]

yes?

like many other rpgs where you need to hit level req to equip higher end gear?

[sly escarp]

Look for the paper icon when interacting, trees have 2 interact spaces

The one with the little tag is for Tales and activities

[scenic solar]

I'd understand that for non-themed sets, like Cicade, Mockery, Mendicent King, etc, but not the ones themed around Pacts

[vestal crystal]

look ... they game is young, they are adding more and more armor set each update. Yes the high gear armor is a bit high at the moment but look at the game design... they are meant for when you are leveled up quite high which means when you have progress far already. There are lower level armors and yes they don't give as much but in time we will see much more variety

[fluid lodge]

where do you get the fragments for https://soulframe.wiki.fextralife.com/Marrow's+Bane and for the greatswords?

[civic tangle]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Marrow's_Bane

never use Fextralife, it's practically a grifter wiki

[scenic solar]

Then move the wiki to an official one... that is actually easy to find

[vestal crystal]

the starter armors don't have a requirements

[sly escarp]

There is no official wiki at this time

[vestal crystal]

and the next ones up reach 15 which is easily reached

[scenic solar]

Garren Rood, Orengall, and Arbearer all do

[unreal roost]

and those are not starter armors

[scenic solar]

So does Fire King

[unreal roost]

those are high end armor

[scenic solar]

but they're THEMED AROUND PACTS

[unreal roost]

so level the pact, and then use it

or go play a game where everything is handed to you

[scenic solar]

It'd be like in WarFrame "Here's Dante. You don't get to use his appearance until you level him, and you have to go with the appearance of a starter Frame"

[civic tangle]

that's a completely different argument actually

[vestal crystal]

i admit there is a hugh gap from nothing to requirering 15 virtue but like you don't need to reach the requirements. You still get armor just not the bonus

[unreal roost]

crazy concept, this ISNT warframe

[scenic solar]

It is

[elder pasture]

Guys how do I do faction missions 🥲 ?

[scenic solar]

Find a world tree

[cursive coral]

https://wiki.avakot.org/
Best wiki

[elder pasture]

Thank you thank you 🥲

[scenic solar]

World Trees were turned into bulletin boards for tales as well as community messages with this update

[civic tangle]

the Pacts are designed with a matching armor set, but that does not mean that Pact is intended to be used with that armor set. you will still need to meet the Virtue requirement for that armor set, just the Pact happens to help get the Virtue required for it.

[marsh belfry]

are sidearms basically as effective as a main weapon? i thought about trying rostrum main, but cobladh sidearm seems like the same stats

[civic tangle]

Orengall is simply a strange case of being assigned Spirit, despite her armor set being Grace

[unreal roost]

you are ONE player. that mix's equipment. its not 1 frame swaps everything. Its a different game.

[twin violet]

Did the new Camera changes add camera bob or did it always have it and me accidently hitting default turned it back on?

[vestal crystal]

wait yeah XD

that is weird

[civic tangle]

kind of. it's weird

primary/main weapons have the benefit of having 3 star/rare weapons, which are in most cases inherently better

[peak gust]

So I don't mean to be rude... But I think the faces are horrible

[sly escarp]

That's what #1438224662344761345 is great for!

Devs want feedback so they can improve!

[peak gust]

I was just wondering if anyone agrees or if I'm being too harsh

[civic tangle]

i think they're just ok. they could use some improvement for sure

[vestal crystal]

also Talismans play a big role in this too they add more virtue points. Also pact upgrades are not sequencial anymore you can upgrade any node you want now so you can easily already put in two levels of grace

sry that was my last comment 😅

moving on

[abstract badge]

Anyone else find out how to bestitch the Mendicant King helmet to off? I can't toggle it, I can't bestitch it to off.

[fathom pendant]

Not sure if it's intentional for the pact to always glow now, but I love it

[timber sand]

Are T2-T3 faction quests broken right now?? i have had multiple now that just wont proceed past the first step?

game has been restarted already

[narrow condor]

is daily standing cap tied to faction? if u switch u get 16k again?

[knotty imp]

looks like the aiming bit on last stage of Organ is still broken, takes like several lightning strikes for it to actually hit the target you're aiming for

[past sandal]

so I killed all the Ode around the Organ, what's supposed to happen now?

[mystic socket]

can i reset my virtue points? want to use a diff wep and went spirit for them

[knotty imp]

you need to find critters covered in tar and free them, then bust open the circular vents so they can sneak in

[long grove]

no, total

[sly escarp]

No, it's shared

[vestal crystal]

you can't reset the base points your prism gives but you can reset your pact which might be giving virtue points

[sly escarp]

Make sure to visit each of the Faction enclaves and talk to the NPC there to get all the Base Prisms, then you can move your virtue points around

[tepid nexus]

You cant reset them because u never spent them. The way it works is you equip a virtue prism and it distributes your points into one, two or three virtues depending on prism. You can swap prism for different virtue point distribution at any time if you have different prism.

[median karma]

when I use trick of light of Sirin pact my game stutters, any fix for it?

[mystic socket]

awesome, thank you

[forest glen]

i get that too but weirdly only in dungeons and not in the overworld?

[median karma]

getting it everywhere, game runs 100 fps +

I get stutters only when casting trick of light

[forest glen]

possible there's a setting you can change to fix it

[halcyon thicket]

It's been reported

[median karma]

cant find it Emi, any suggestion?

[forest glen]

oh i'm just speculating

i have no clue

[median karma]

been happening for a while already, sad

[sly escarp]

It's a known issue, but you can flag it as still happening in #1438224825113120788 !

[zenith knoll]

do blessed joineries still reset weapon levels ?

asking before i do something stupid and slap some on everything i own

[halcyon thicket]

Probably, you get a warning now anyway

[dusty hare]

seems like a good weapon

[pine warren]

Does anyone happen to know where to farm the new magic staff at?

[dusty hare]

i would imagine the new bear boss is the way

[sly escarp]

3 star faction tales

Any faction

[pine warren]

Thank you

[rare dirge]

is it possible to transmog the helmet to no helmet?

[cosmic reef]

do we know the loc of the new side quests? and the new bear boss loc also ?

[cosmic reef]

i think yes

[rare dirge]

thank you. it is kinda stuck for me right now. but maybe a bug.

[finite stone]

Hahaha no way, they implemented your exact suggestion!!

[zenith knoll]

for the quests, one of them is started at ||Taughslane inside a house||, one at ||Skelfies inside a house||, and the last one at ||Kairness, again inside a house||

[median karma]

Ok, I fixed it, @forest glen tagging you for an update also, updating my video card driver fixed it after a reboot

[cosmic reef]

tyvm^^

[exotic tide]

is there a way to fast travel in this game?

[prisma crescent]

yes

you will unlock it through the story

[exotic tide]

I've done all of the story, I think

[amber bolt]

Is there a guide for the Organ? I got in, pulled the lever outside and my current objective is to replace the Conductor but I have no idea where to go

nvm found the elevator

I'm just blind

[whole monolith]

why is soulframe not recognising my mouse 4 and 5 inputs, is it a bug or just me ??

[exotic tide]

is there a reason why these are locked?

[glad flume]

About finished getting everything I need/want from Kith, trying to decide on whether I should go Rose or Sprouts next

[glad flume]

gotta rank up, I think?

[frigid spoke]

not the correct rank

[exotic tide]

"unlocking them will be easy"

lmfao that was a lie

[glad flume]

Thats pretty easy

[frigid spoke]

It is really, just play the game

[dusty hare]

is it hard to rank up?

[exotic tide]

no it's not
ranking up takes a MILLION years

[sly escarp]

Not high enough rank with the faction yet

[frigid spoke]

lol no

[exotic tide]

it took me literally hours to get from rank 2 to 3

hours over multiple days

[frigid spoke]

...

[exotic tide]

it's brutal

[glad flume]

People really acting like playing the game to earn things in the game is unreasonable.

And thats a you problem, sorry to break it to you.

[sly escarp]

They did, at least, say them being with factions was temporary. Hopefully that gets sorted sooner rather than later.

[glad flume]

I can cap out my daily rep in like, an hour at most.

[exotic tide]

there's no daily rep cap, is there?

[sly escarp]

There is

16k

[exotic tide]

how would you even get that much in a day?

I would have to play non-stop all day just to get 16k

[sly escarp]

A high level tier 3 tale gives 1000 rep

[exotic tide]

?????????

[glad flume]

You get like 1.4k per bounty in the NE

[exotic tide]

it does NOT

[frigid spoke]

bruh

[exotic tide]

I get 100 rep for a tier 3

what game are you all playing????

[glad flume]

Brother what game are YOU playing??

[exotic tide]

Is this an old preludes player bug or something?

I get 100 rep for a T3 tale

[glad flume]

Are you grinding like right outside the enclave or something?

[exotic tide]

no, I'm grinding all over the map

[verbal edge]

guys how do i take my helmet off?

[sly escarp]

How long ago were you grinding?

[exotic tide]

like 2 days ago

[sly escarp]

Odd

[amber bolt]

Where do I get the 40-50?

[sly escarp]

The screenshot I sent is the amount you are supposed to get

[sly escarp]

Haven't the slightest

[exotic tide]

It wouldn't be the first thing that's been bugged
for about 2 months my rep was locked and I couldn't get any for completing a sparrow tale

I'll try doing one at a high level now just to see if it's fixed

[sly escarp]

Might be a good idea to file a support ticket, since it seems to be specific to your game.

[exotic tide]

but ever since the factions came out I've only ever gotten 100 rep per completion

[dark cave]

Yo they updated one handed sword animations! I am so happy ;-;

[glad flume]

Are you sure what you were doing was faction tales?
There are some non-faction tale activities that'll give you like, a pittance of rep.

[dusky karma]

its dificult get key for playing?

[exotic tide]

Yeah, I was doing faction tales
I went up to the tier 3 Silent Rose dude and would pick up whatever sparrow tale he gave out

[glad flume]

wack D:

[exotic tide]

do you not have one?

[dusky karma]

no

[burnt sinew]

Did they add mounts yet

[exotic tide]

you do now lmao

[glad flume]

No, but I think we're running a bit faster after the patch? Could be placebo tho.

[sly escarp]

There's a few ways, listed here: #envoy-gathering message

Hope that helps!

[burnt sinew]

I hope so everything was so slow to traverse

[sly escarp]

Felt that way for sure

Might just be the new camera

[glad flume]

True. People dont realize just how much difference FOV makes in regard to perceived speed.

Honestly it feels almost too fast now. Like, halfway between where it was before and where it is now would be perfect, imo

[sterile pine]

I'm feeling like I'm in the minority so far on liking the virtue prisms after testing them . A lot of weapons now make me want to use them to work with builds if I want to swap.

[gusty dagger]

gotta ask

whats the best bow?

[glad flume]

I enjoy them!

[sly escarp]

Oh, I like them lots!

[sterile pine]

Like if I swap to extreme spirit and want to use long blade I use wulder, friggen wulder I had NO REASON TO TOUCH IT before this

[glad flume]

I like that I dont have to check the wiki to see what virtue caps are at for weapons now lmao

[sly escarp]

Feels nice to have a setting you can build around and make something cool with

[sterile pine]

and with the hybrids I can still use my dewellion

[glad flume]

Yeah. I think people are going to warm to them once they unlock more and feel less restricted.

[sly escarp]

Depends on your build

[gusty dagger]

uhhh

[sterile pine]

yeah I went straight to my enclave and got all 3 I could and played with it and went "okay I dig it" because otherwise before I was running the exact same build and weapons on alal pacts

[gusty dagger]

what yeah mean

[exotic tide]

Seems to be Blitzel
Starling was awesome in P12, but Blitzel getting two sources of scaling seems to make it a lot better

[sly escarp]

Weapons scale with different virtues. All bows will scale with grace, but some also scale with courage or spirit

[sterile pine]

it also made a huge boost to the paragon GS's unique gimmick

[sly escarp]

So depending on your virtue build, different bows may be better

[sterile pine]

being the universal weapon actually matters now

[languid tiger]

Idk what I'm doing wrong but it feels like I die 10x easier

[sly escarp]

That and fixing the fact it only scaled at a pittance amount

[exotic tide]

it looks like dual-scaling weapons are a LOT better right now
probably will change with a future patch

which is weird because now all of the Founders gear sucks lmfao

[sterile pine]

I mean the founders gear wasn't good to begin with.

They were all outclassed from the start

[sly escarp]

Armour now scales with virtues, and your pact points were reset so you'll need to reassign them

[sly escarp]

Except Starling and Esthelle

Exceptions

[wet tulip]

paragon aint that bad either

[sterile pine]

little did I know this was all a ploy by DE so I'd wear the same thing that our blacksmith is wearing. Welcome back dark souls nude rolling

[exotic tide]

Starling seems to be really bad now

[lament path]

Founder gear was better than starter gear but aside from the weapons, the armour was quick to be replaced

[glad flume]

What they said. Make sure you're hitting the requirement for your armor or it wont give you much survivability.

[sterile pine]

This confirms one thing I wondered. Seems we do still get virtues for mastery.

[glad flume]

nice

[sterile pine]

My wyld ones have more in each stat.

[cursive coral]

The movemnt physics is so good with bow now. I feel like Legolas

[exotic tide]

what's your armor combo to get that? 👀

[sterile pine]

@sly escarp fr though my favorite part is I do have to think before I change weapons. I won't be defualting to "highest stat" every time and I think that's a good change.

[glad flume]

"I dont know if I like Kith of Ki-" Mora's Beast
"HELL YEAH I AM"

[dry bridge]

where is the operation?

[frigid spoke]

Just did a T3, 1450 faction gain. I got in at P5. You might be bugged.

[exotic tide]

Full Rood gets you that much defense??

I've literally never seen the bar go up that much lmfaoooo
it's never shown a spec of yellow for me

[gusty dagger]

ngl went in blind af

[lament path]

If you hit the armour requirements it can more than double the default, and scales even more I believe

[frigid spoke]

Also doing em in the furthest NE of map

[lament path]

Think we have higher stats overal with this patch

[exotic tide]

Oh wow, it really does
I'm up at 90 just going to a Courage prism

[sly escarp]

Same. Less technical choice, more meaningful choice, like I predicted when it was announced. I love it. Makes me feel like a genius scholar or clever inventor.

[sterile pine]

I was wary of the idea but figured DE probably had a more full concept in. I know I'd beenc ritical of some other choices they'd made but I figured a big gameplay design change wouldn't be at least somewhat thought out

[glad flume]

Admittedly speculation, but I think a lot of people who naysayed Prisms may not have realized virtue caps on weapons were even a thing.

[sterile pine]

Now I have a reason to actually change my build

[glad flume]

Since they don't really tell you and the only way to notice is to raise a stat and check if your damage even changed

[sterile pine]

Very possible. Since for me I just ended up sticking to a lot of spirit and courage and nothing else and never once changed my build lol.

[exotic tide]

which is why I realized Orengall was probably the worst Pact in the game lmaoo

[sly escarp]

Definitely encourages hybrid builds more too

Which is lovely to see

[sterile pine]

my only OTHER input? would be to give all 3 starting ones at the start so that new players can experiment without waiting

[glad flume]

Orengall is actually sleeper OP. The howl giving smite is crazy once you have a proper rune to take advantage of it.

[sly escarp]

Minmax builds will still be a thing, but they're less mandatory now

[exotic tide]

Oh it gives you extra smite? That's pretty cool

[sly escarp]

Same, and also STOP SELLING THE ADVANCED ONES AT THE FACTIONS

[exotic tide]

hopefully they lean into that with the future rework, because what it does now is hot garbage

[sterile pine]

I'm fine with the advanced ones being at the factions tbh. Especially now that the CD is removed

[sly escarp]

Put them someplace else

[sterile pine]

but having 3 starting ones availbale from the get go lets players try other weapons

[sly escarp]

But tbh, they did say them being faaction items was a placeholder

So I'll wait and see where they end up

[glad flume]

Yep! It gives increased smite chance to you and party members in range.

[exotic tide]

stick them into world trees lmao
grab a fast travel point and a prism

encourage map exploration

[glad flume]

I'm just stuck trying to decide if I want to go after my Grace or Spirit prisms first now that I've got all my Courage prisms

[sly escarp]

Lock each one behind a Siege, first balloon burn is a Prism

[glad flume]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[sly escarp]

Do you not have both factions levelled?

[glad flume]

Nope!

[lament path]

Honestly that is what I thought they would be, prisms behind bosses

[sterile pine]

Hmm maybe they could keep the "extreme" one behind the factions. Because that one checks out for each of the three virtues

and hybrid ones behind seiges and such

[sly escarp]

Ah, well. Good question. Personally working away at Alca's Children, seems like a solid place to check iut

[lament path]

Bosses themed in those prism stats

[sly escarp]

Could def see that!

[glad flume]

I think I'll go Grace so I can get Rook since its the only weapon I don't have >.>
Rose gets Ode pact too, right?

[sterile pine]

That and all 3 starting ones available regardless of your chosen pact is a good point for it.

[lament path]

Were they planning on putting perks on the prisms because if it is stats only they will quickly run out there

[exotic tide]

okaaaaaay P13 hotfix
make every animation-locked action turn you invincible for the duration lmao

good LORD the spire things' mortars need a huge nerf
I'm getting one-hit killed by the AOE from a mile away

[sterile pine]

Still. Pleasantly surprised.

[lament path]

Stay on the move, think it is only the first stage

[exotic tide]

I wasn't even in the AOE ring lmao

[lament path]

They can also hit those container thingies and make those explode I think

[frigid spoke]

boo the abandon button being right after the accept button is poor choice, I've dbl clicked a few times n abandoned a few tales already

[glad flume]

I was excited when I heard about it. Once you get everything leveled it became quickly apparent that the only build was "highest armor, virtue cap weapon, dump everything into courage" with no other real variety if you wanted to be efficient. Glad we can actually build like we have classes now.

[sly escarp]

They said maybe perks and stuff in the future!

[glad flume]

Let me tell you the pain of releasing a rune on accident

[sly escarp]

For right now is a Minimum Viable version

[frigid spoke]

lol

[glad flume]

[sterile pine]

yeah that's exactly why I was waiting to see how they'd handle it. I wore my heaviest armor, and I used my highest damage weapons and used the same virtue regardless of what pact I was on.

[lament path]

virtues affecting skills was mainly important with this update, before it seemed only courage did anything for skills

[sterile pine]

good god though oscelda is now cooldown queen

[glad flume]

It was so haphazard lol. "This one increases damage from courage. This one doesn't. The only way to know is through the wiki, weeee"

[lament path]

It does feel like we got the first tier of runes but as prisms now, basics before more interesting stuff

[grand flicker]

And i thought now Tier 3 North Tales have no Cooldown with Votives, but it seems like still work the same way? and i cannot spam it

[lament path]

spirit not doing anything for oscelda really

[sly escarp]

The Cogah runes feel like a more advanced Rune start to be made

[sterile pine]

me getting 2 extra seconds of stuff

to be fair oscelda didn't get anything from all 3

[lament path]

courage was a multiplier on stone I believe? The extra couple seconds didnt do much for the length of duration you already had

Plus oscelda in a puddle of water had quick cooldowns

[exotic tide]

the Organ is so confusing

[sterile pine]

speaking of I'm surprised they let us keep that. Try it now with extreme spirit its funny

[lament path]

Yeah, though idk what direction they are going since we got the basics of every weapon now for non cogah bosses. Plus having the interesting stuff behind cogah makes it a bit awkward with the sap collecting

Instead of a teleport seed tree give me a sap tree at base

[meager tree]

If you dont know what your doing, sure. After my first one it was super quick and easy.

[lament path]

Makes you feel like a real mage slinging out all these spells

[exotic tide]

it gives a few too many bad hints

[zenith knoll]

druid of iridis + steelsinger set gives you some decent defense as well

[slender saddle]

Did everyone get +100 arcs after update?

[sterile pine]

DE just wants us all to do the good old darksouls nuderoll in the steelsinger set

[lament path]

Yeah, they did that on purpose

[slender saddle]

Nice

[sterile pine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rolling-raccoon-littleanimalgifs-BL6Jq3lI1jHeU

[languid falcon]

How is Sirin now with the new virtue system?

[sterile pine]

from what I understand bow headshots scale off grace now. Take that how you will for the new system

[lament path]

Virtues feel more distinct and impactful now

[exotic tide]

I have NO idea what I'm doing lmaoooooo
there is no helpful instructions

[lament path]

Took me a bit of observing and touching everything you see in the chaos on my first try. Spirit sight had been useful too
|| First stage blow up the vents at the bottom, safe the animals. ||
|| Second stage blow up the tubes internals on the rotating machine inside.||
||Third stage go up the elevator using the ladder and use the machine to blow up glowing spots through a flute like number minigame to charge your shot.||

[meager tree]

If you enter spirit mode you'll see important things highlighted, this is a huge part of the game.

[exotic tide]

the spirit mode highlights were confusing me since I think it's highlighting stuff that I can't do anything with yet

I just got it done after mashing the organ controls on anything that glowed (which was literally everything)

[meager tree]

Same, but I figured it out after trying a few different things. I believe in you (well not really now that someone told you exactly what to do)

[sterile pine]

speaking of I don't know how i feel that plants and resources are always highlighted by default now.

[exotic tide]

hey to be fair, I got it done before the guide was posted lmao

[sterile pine]

Sure they're easier to gather but I find it ruins the look of some spots when tons of plants are around

[trim oriole]

i think i won the game

[exotic tide]

I still don't really know what I did since I wasn't even targeting anything with the organ when it gave me the win

[trim oriole]

still no staff though

[meager tree]

Nice! You did figure it out!

[exotic tide]

what's that 92 at the bottom of your screen?

[trim oriole]

wevetseeds

[exotic tide]

what are those, and how do I get them?

[sterile pine]

I got like 40 on mine the joy sof logging on just to grab them while waiting on the patch

[lament path]

Bear quest

You use them to teleport

[trim oriole]

was at 100 before today

[exotic tide]

I already did the bear quest, but I don't know how to get them

[lament path]

You should have a little tree in your spirit camp

[exotic tide]

I have a few

[trim oriole]

from this plant after you done the bromius quest

[exotic tide]

Oh, it's a glowing seed

that was never glowing before lol

[sterile pine]

yeah you get them daily

[lament path]

You can teleport to the big world trees on your map, if you are in a party it teleports everyone.

[trim oriole]

you can harvest every 12h

[exotic tide]

it never let me harvest anything before

[sterile pine]

oh yeah it was changed to 12 hours, for most people it may as well be daily

[exotic tide]

this game is SO buggy
I might have to reinstall it lmao

[trim oriole]

i pick it befor and after work

when im not maxed

you cant have more than 100

[sterile pine]

in general though they're even less needed now with the recent sprint change

we fast as hell now

https://giphy.com/gifs/xkoHWUhZG8C9W

[exotic tide]

I would need to sit down with someone and go over every game system to compare with people just so I can put in a support ticket to figure out what's broken for me

[lament path]

Before patch 12 I recall you could only harvest it from the back at the top. Nowadays you can harvest it from the front

[trim oriole]

yeah, fast af

[exotic tide]

I couldn't get any fast travel seeds, my faction rep never went up, I only ever get 100 rep per mission

[trim oriole]

im just using them to jump top to bottom for the organs

[lament path]

They changed that because.. it was really awkward

[exotic tide]

I'm still trying to see if the rep gain is bugged, but NO silent rose missions are popping up anywhere

[lament path]

"Yeah yeah I know I look drab let me get my daily seed rat queen."

[trim oriole]

you have to go to world tree to start faction tales now

[exotic tide]

I would LOVE it if there was anything in-game that told me that lmaoo

[trim oriole]

you get more rep based on how many stars it is and the level of enemies

[sterile pine]

This is a big reason during the pre alpha you should check the patch notes. Most of our info comes from that.

We don't really have full tutorial pop ups now because the systems can change.

[frigid spoke]

Patch notes said it

[rare onyx]

there was an ingame notice when you logged in after the patch, which basically explained what came in prelude 13

[exotic tide]

I read through that notice, but it didn't mention that

[sterile pine]

The big thing is to always check the patch notes linked in them.

[dusty hare]

so courage is beef?

[lament path]

Patch notes, avakot wiki and people talking in here is where I get my info from for things I dont know about. Lots of it is experimenting ingame too.

[exotic tide]

there were links in those?
I never saw any

[trim oriole]

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/9461-soulframe-preludes-13-a-triquetra-of-virtues/

[sterile pine]

Does that make spirit chicken?

https://giphy.com/gifs/UUtfrzfU5PmlsrEGuZ

[trim oriole]

i like to read patch notes and make a to do list personally

so i dont miss anything

[sterile pine]

Yeah its also how you find neat things. Like for example knowing exactly what armor scales with spirit now.

gave me a reason to start crafting the steelsingers set in its entirety finally

[lament path]

I mostly look for new weapons and fashion

[slender saddle]

There was mage weapon back in Prelude 9. It was pretty decent, but now I see it's removed from my inventory. Did they delete it from game?

[lament path]

The new wazzard robes look nice

[slender saddle]

Odiac

[lament path]

Odiac is still there

[austere trail]

the weapon update kinda sucks ngl

the blessed joineries should change the inherent requirement

[trim oriole]

Anyone bothered to kill bear?

[lament path]

Joineries giving you the freedom to use any weapon was just nice 😔

[exotic tide]

Yeah, I just did a 3 star sparrow tale and only got 100 faction rep

[trim oriole]

Patchnotes done say it drops anything so havent bothered

[trim oriole]

Was it a 1star tale in the starting area?

[exotic tide]

no, 3 stars in the northeast corner of the map, all lv 30+

[trim oriole]

try relogging?

or you might be capped and need to rank up

it should look somting like this

[exotic tide]

I'll relog and see if that changes anything

[spice drift]

are the bonuses for having the required virtues to use a weapon just extra virtue points?

[trim oriole]

kinda

it doesnt scale at all unless you have the requirement

[spice drift]

wdym by that? if im at 18/19 virtue requirement, are the 18 points not being taken into consideration for damage purposes?

[trim oriole]

correct

until you meet the requirement gear will only have base stats, it only scales after you have the requirement

[spice drift]

ooooof thats a bit brutal

[carmine quest]

What does this number do? I believe this is like MR in warframe, but I can't find what it does

[trim oriole]

gives +1 virtue point

per level

[carmine quest]

In each? or a random of the three? Cuz now u can't manually allocate

[trim oriole]

prisms allocate your virues in a % basis

like 70% courage, 20% sprit, 10% grace for example

you have a base number of virtue points that are distributed by that

and that number is based on your MR

[carmine quest]

ah, okay. Thanks!

[shut basalt]

do i really have to go back to a tree every single time i finish a tale? i was hoping the tree in the nightfold could trigger them but nope

[trim oriole]

yep

its faster than waiting for new ones to spawn with the old way though tbf

[halcyon thicket]

No it's not

[shut basalt]

i always had a few tales waiting to be triggered in the old system personally :/

[austere trail]

why does it feel like this update actually lowkey ruined a good chunk of the game

[halcyon thicket]

It's literally slower, and I'm sure you can browse YT or Twitch to check that for yourself

[carmine quest]

I agree; If the 3* was gone, by time I did all the 2 and 1* s, the 3 would be back

[shut basalt]

yup, i never run out of tales before this update

[halcyon thicket]

3 star tales are also much longer now

[austere trail]

that's another thing, how were people actuallyt running out of tales? by the time i'm done with the ones available there are more ready

[shut basalt]

we're not running out of them, but we have to go to a tree every single time to accept a new tale -- before, it was way more smooth imho

[austere trail]

past tense

how WERE apeople running out of tales

[gilded turret]

Hiya has anyone been stuck at the carrying helmet to blacksmith quest?

Seems i need to get a cutscene but i’m not getting it

[unborn glacier]

I unlocked Verminia, went to mess with my hair. Clicked reset all and it made my hair gray and now all the colors I select just tint the grey. Am I missing something?

[languid tiger]

Lmao - just had an NPC blast me across the map with a hally

[hexed spoke]

is it me or does stealth finishers not seem to scale with grace

[minor marlin]

is it just the lighting or is coloring hair just kinda bad rn?
it feels like almost every option is just some variant of grey

[hexed spoke]

nvm it does

[unborn glacier]

I was just noticing the same thing. I just unlocked verminia and it looked really weird when I click reset and my hair went all grey. But I went back to the real world and then it was the blond I expect. So maybe the lighting or something is off in the customizer.

[minor marlin]

yeah it def seems something is off, guess we gotta go off vibes atm or just check between Alca and the Nightfold :p

[mystic sedge]

I know! lmao. I saw enter the crypt on my quest and flipped out

[languid tiger]

Idk why but I have no alca quests spawningh

[finite stone]

If you did all 3 of them, the top row of votives might be empty

they still have a cooldown even with the new system, sadly

though I wouldn't expect you to have none even with that :/

have you tried a different tree?

[languid tiger]

different tree let me ty

[slender saddle]

How do I even open that window?

[finite stone]

You just press interact on it, whereabout on the tree are you standing?

[slender saddle]

All I got is this. Wherever I click, it just jumps to random spot of map

[finite stone]

It's this part with the votives strung to it

[finite stone]

That's your journal, not a world tree

[night cape]

So, I only have the one Virtue Prism, so I can no longer use a lot of the weapons I was leveling up...

[thin heath]

Anyone know a fix for the steel singer quest bug? I take the helm to the forge and the specter doesn’t trigger and no where to place the helm. Tried restarting multiple times

[slender saddle]

Ok, so I came to world tree and all it displays is this. Do I get it right that it can randomly offer other side quests like castle siege (which is replayable)?

On your screen there is Organ and Castle

[night cape]

I think it depends on the World Tree you're at.

Hmm... So is the only way to get Prisms from Faction Stores? I barely have any progress in my faction, so it's kind of lame that I have to stop using the Courage weapons I had been playing with before just because I started Oscelda.

[finite stone]

Yes, other than the 3 founders ones and the free starter one

[night cape]

Ooof. And they're behind Rank 4, or being able to craft the other faction pendants (which I'm still stuck on).

[sterile pine]

Did you mean Oscelda? And you can use lower tier courage weapons easily with a joinery. And not all are behind rank 4?

unless you mean hybrid ones

There are other weapons that aren't that far behind right now since rn damage increases are fairly small between weapons

[night cape]

You're right I got the spelling way off. I... don't know where to look for other Prisms.

[sterile pine]

Children of alca has another one that's all spirit at rank 2, at rank 4 you get two very good hybrid ones since spirit itself is just useful

[gusty wraith]

Can you run to another organ while you wait for the respawn/cd of one or do they all share a CD?

[sterile pine]

Aside from that you also have extra virtue points from mastery, and you can use weaker of weapon types without minimum reqs

When I was testing, wulder is still a fine long blade if you go pure spirit and give it a spirit joinery

[night cape]

I was trying some other Pacts, playing with Courage/Grace builds, but since I started with Oscelda I no longer have the Virtues to properly wield my other weapons. That's my main problem right now.

[sterile pine]

its far from the best but its very usable

I mean in that case it is just "get to rank 4" Or use the lower tier variants of those weapons

also mastery boosts your virtues too

Like, don't knock using rarity 1 and 2 weapons after the change

[night cape]

Sounds like I have a lot of grinding to do just to get back to doing what I wanted. It just feels bad, esp. when some of the weapons I had scaled with Spirit pre-P13 and got changed. My starting staff is the only Spirit scaling weapon I have now.

[sterile pine]

adding a blessed joinery causes them to get apoint of scaling with that virtue. So you can still make others scale just not as high

But taking weapons without any minimum virtue and slapping a blessed on them allows it to be used without penalty

[night cape]

🤔 Right, joineries. I mean, I play extremely casually so I just feel lost.

[sterile pine]

Joineries are how you changed scaling before and now just upgrade and add a point on that scaling with blessed

[mellow lava]

how hard is it to get the new weapon fragments i have done 12 mission now and nothing do they just appear when you finish mission or do you have to find a chest

[sterile pine]

do content and you'll eventually have a fair chunk. I slap iridis joineries on my weapons to make up for lack of spirit scaling with reforging

[regal quarry]

Ok, did enemies always continually respawn during Siege or is that new? My Scrap Brass farm ;-;

[night cape]

My understanding is that fragments are all RNG but the kinds of things that drop is based on what dungeon or overworld area you're in.

[nova rover]

Quick question. How long till soulframe is playable on ps5

[sterile pine]

We don't know, likely a long time since the game isn't even closed to finished.

[nova rover]

Damn big thx for the info

But *

[regal quarry]

Primed Soon (tm)

[sterile pine]

And if they release on consoles they then have to wait and get each update certified and its a lot of trouble and cost too if the old methods are still in play. I know back in the ps3/360 days and at least early into ps4, every update you pushed had a fee.

And you can imagine that would not be good for an early game with lots of hotfixes

[nova rover]

What you mean by that ? ^^

[night cape]

Warframe reference.

[sterile pine]

its just this meme.

[quick nimbus]

anyone else had issues with steelsinger quest and know a pozzible fix? im bringing the helmet but its not working

[night cape]

My guess will be console releases will be a very early thing as soon as 1.0 happens, but 1.0 is probably a ways out.

[nova rover]

Ah dang you got me haha I only knew primed Fluss

[cursive coral]

You mean Wyld Soon

[sterile pine]

Yeah that's my assumption too. At a point where no more major systems are getting revamped. Both to make it easier to develop for and to avoid optential fees.

[night cape]

Yeah, this is about the same time I started playing Warframe too. (old man voice) Damage 1.0...

[regal quarry]

PARKOUR!!!

[night cape]

What's bullet jumping?!

[sterile pine]

the old viral that just reduced health by fractions making some abilites an instant kill regardless

and the old days of closet camping 👵

[night cape]

What's viral?!

(shakes cane)

[regal quarry]

well these days it's cold + toxin

[sterile pine]

paid revives

[slender saddle]

I don't see exp numbers when I kill enemies. I also don't see the count of wave. Is it normal, or visual glitch?

[night cape]

oh god I just retched a bit

[slender saddle]

I remember there were those numbers before

[sterile pine]

lost your 3 revives on your frame? Can't use it for 24 hours sorry

[regal quarry]

I wasn't actually there at the time, I started in 2017, but iirc wasn't there also like. a stamina meter or something.

[night cape]

Oh wow I didn't even notice they were gone.

[regal quarry]

I will say this! Soulframe already feels way better than WF1.0 did

[sterile pine]

remember stamina and needing to slow walk everywhere so you could also make sure you had enough to go across walls?

[night cape]

I wouldn't even be bothering complaining if I didn't already like the game. If I didn't care I wouldn't be here.

[slender saddle]

I hope they'll bring it back. I can't live without seeing those juicy numbers

[night cape]

big number go brrr

[sterile pine]

or when the vor tutorial was basically a hard wall for players with the "you need to do a perfect parry" tutorial

and if you failed you died instantly and if you died 3 times you had to start over

[night cape]

Stop digging up my trauma!

[sterile pine]

in the era where also a single butcher at that level could do 200 damage when you had 100 health and 150 shields

[sterile pine]

That perfect parry tutorial genuinely frustrated me so much. It did make vor a threat but holy hells.

"Walk out and tap right click at the exact second his beam is about to make contact" I KNOW LOTUS I AM TRYING STOP YELLING AT ME

[random glen]

What are the combat/player physics changes like?

[wicked heath]

i think i might have a bug? according to my research, you get fenn jothar as an ancestor by doing darmak undercity, you grab him and finish it and get a lil cutscene. I did that, got the cutscene and went back to camp aaand he's not there.

Apparently i should have had him since basically the start of the game!?

[long grove]

he's no longer an ancestor that chills in your nightfold, he leads the kith of kings faction.

[wicked heath]

so i have to leave my old faction and join his? also someone should update the wiki.

[long grove]

don't use fextralife, garbage

https://wiki.avakot.org/

[regal quarry]

god I remember back in 2014 when I gbriefly worked at zenimax online studios, you could get fired for using Fextalife or Fandom instead of UESP. so yeah. don't uese fextralife.

[wicked heath]

ahh. damn search engine optimization

[slender saddle]

What do these numbers mean?

[long grove]

yeah they're pretty scummy at getting their wikis up top. ended up just using an extension to block them cuz i haaaaate them

[long grove]

level range

[regal quarry]

they're literally just adfarms

[wicked heath]

also its hilarious that bethesda could fire you for not using UESP. its the most based thing i think ive heard about them.

[modern estuary]

Do we know the cooldown on the Organ?

[minor marlin]

where do you get the new weapons and armor :?

[velvet grail]

Anyone else slipping all over the place with the new movement?

[hexed spoke]

does anyone know if hand of more spell damage got better or still shiz?

[frosty tulip]

Still shiez bro

After update odiac rly strong asf lol

[wicked heath]

so with fenn jothar not an ancestor anymore, does it mean motes dont do anything anymore?

[frigid spoke]

motes are gone, totems took their place

[mental sundial]

Can you unlock the wazzard robes or are they purchase only?

[gaunt falcon]

Organ game mode unlocks it

[marsh belfry]

i've not messed with bestitch yet, any reason i cant bestitch my armor to appear "naked", it just does nothing

[sly escarp]

Bugged atm

DE is looking into it

[marsh belfry]

boo, alright thanks

[lean prawn]

Where the heck is Organ?

[past drift]

Man, not having the hybrid prisms is really painful

can't do my cool combo builds for a while

[daring jacinth]

Is that a thing that we have to unlock or will we be waiting on DE? I just hopped on for the first time today and I've been in my nightfold for an hour(half I spent with vermina) messing around with my prism and pact perks trying to optimize my build.

[peak plover]

wtb old quest build, running back and forth between trees is long and tedious

[past drift]

They're in the enclaves, but at tier 4. So quite a bit of grinding

[daring jacinth]

Thanks, I've already maxed my factions so that won;t be an issue, unless DE reset our faction rank for this update.

If they did that's.....not cool. 🙁

[past drift]

They didn't but I hadn't gotten that far

[sly escarp]

They did not

[past drift]

and if you're new its a long time

[sly escarp]

They also removed the swap lockout timer

[daring jacinth]

Reall nice!!

Time to go shopping then

[crude ermine]

did they move the boss for torrent?
trying to help a friend get it but the boss wasn't there

[robust plinth]

any ideas why my bird is guiding me to this random weapon?

[crude ermine]

why do they throw two impact grenades now

lol crazy

[carmine quest]

When does the mendicant king respawn? Grinding his set and sword is painful lol

[pure flame]

Can relate; is made a little easier if you manage to find others willing to share their instances if they haven't killed theirs recently. Usually respawns every ~4 hours or so?

[sly escarp]

30 min

[sly escarp]

Every 30 minutes

[daring jacinth]

Is it still bugged where it takes hours sometimes?

[sly escarp]

He can be buggy though, sometimes he takes 3 hours, but that's not very common

[carmine quest]

Yeahhh he's taking 180m for me. Should I relog and he'll show up?

[frigid spoke]

Are you staying in the area he spawns?

There might be a proximity spawn thing. Go somewhere else for 30 mins then come back

[carmine quest]

does the limbo place work?

[frigid spoke]

The 3 hour bug might be still around also

no

cause you are in the area when you come back. I've noticed that for spider n a few others, just go somewhere else n come bacl

[carmine quest]

got it, I'll check again now that I've relogged, then I'll go do sieges for a bit

[wet dust]

Which blessed joinery do I put on purity with a courage build. For highest dmg scalings

[frigid spoke]

It's possible the bug is still around. King is 30 mins for me all day, some people he was 3 hrs no matter what

[carmine quest]

Relog fixed it. He was back. I just got the final shard of purity, too! Hell yeah!

Only one more piece of the pants then I'm done

[calm musk]

they did us paragons dirty not having a triple virtue prism

[carmine quest]

I'm honestly glad about that. Cuz I would never pay 100$ for that amount of power. Feels very pay to win to me if they did

[long grove]

something like that should be end of the road. remember technically we're still early game, don't expect end game stuff yet

[calm musk]

the paragon greatsword cant full scale now

[long grove]

it be strongest greatsword rn whaa

[calm musk]

yea but you cant scale all the virtues you gotta pick one or 2

[carmine quest]

Yeah lol. All the paragon stuff is insane. I really hope it's added into the full game when it's done. Cuz Warframe doesn't have anything PTW like that (I'm not counting Excal Prime cuz he sucks compared to Umbra;P)

[long grove]

it'd be the same damage if there was a Prism that equaled out the virtues tho

[calm musk]

they do othe buffs thou like grace speeds you up

[carmine quest]

I would put this on the back burner for now honestly. There are possibly hundreds of updates before full release, and things will change big time. So I would say be okay that the strongest weapon in the game cannot be fully maxed to balls, that'll come later

[calm musk]

im big salt i spent 100 bucks a couple months ago hopefully they add a viirtue of the paragon

[proper pulsar]

having crash issues now when i play with friends anyone else crash in endless and at the icor reactor

[carmine quest]

And they might. But it'll be for all of us cuz that's fair to ppl who can't drop a bill on a game in Alpha phase. De has almost always been very fair with their available purchases, and being able to earn everything in-game without money, but if u pay, they give u a "thank you" with some extra stuff

[calm musk]

thats fine

[carmine quest]

what does the crash log say?

Is it memeory or graphics related?

[calm musk]

i just want a 3 piece prism

[carmine quest]

I agree, that'd be hilarious for BONKing everything in the game with a big stick

[proper pulsar]

how do i check?

[carmine quest]

When u crash again, check the log that pops up. Or, there may be a sort of "crash-log" folder in the game's directory(path of folders/files stored on ur machine)

[vital river]

i see people saying Bromius is terrible now, what made it suck now?

[daring jacinth]

Seems like the envoys movement physics have been updated too. I don;t seem to be able to change direction on a dime in mid-air anymore, momentume carries me further.

[rough forge]

So how do we get more Virtue Prisms, or are the selections tied to pacts or something now?

[vital river]

Factions

[calm musk]

go to the factions and rank them up

[daring jacinth]

Rank 4 is what someone above told me earlier

[grizzled depot]

I want to burn stuff myself, and I wonder how Mora's Hand is now, I havent seen any feedback searching

[verbal edge]

so, we have new moras hand build?

[neat night]

did teleport system changed ?

[grizzled depot]

I wonder, I will check in a few mins to see the update

[vital river]

no

[neat night]

hoh..

strange, I lost all of teleport seeds

[carmine quest]

Re log and they'll dupe. I already reported that bug

[neat night]

ohhh

wait what do you mean dupe

[carmine quest]

I wanted them to know they dupe so don't think something fishy happened. I actually hope they reset my seeds back to 6 like I had before this

[neat night]

still 0 after relog, hmmm

maybe 0 x 2 = 0

[carmine quest]

I started with 6, my game locked up and I relogged. I then had 24. I relogged again after my game white screen of death'd, I had 86.

I got very worried about this being exploitable, so I reported it in #1438224825113120788

[daring jacinth]

Are the Will-o-bulbs still not used for anything?

[wraith perch]

What are everyone's thoughts on preludes 13?

[carmine quest]

I don't believe so, I haven't unlocked anything for them, tho

[shrewd citrus]

what tree has the highest level tales? is it one of the NE ones or has someone found one that goes higher?

[wraith perch]

Tales being bound to the tree feels very weird to me

I kinda prefer the old system but I need to spend more time with P13 to really determine that

[halcyon marsh]

They are used for a pallet for alca

[daring jacinth]

The bulbs?

I always thought it was the fronds

[halcyon marsh]

Oh sorry yeah frond

I don’t think the bulbs are

[velvet dome]

do the history motes only spawn at random? it feels like i can never find all/any of them in a location

[idle pine]

the medicant pact was added yes?

[cursive coral]

One or two spawn every daylight cycle or restarting the game

[cursive coral]

I think a mix of current and old would be best

[wraith perch]

I agree. What if random tales still appeared, but you could spawn specific ones from the tree?

[cursive coral]

That would be dope

[long grove]

definitely prefer it

[daring jacinth]

They'd have to balance the two somehow. Such as lower XP rewards for the random tales vs the tree tales, or maybe require some form of payment/material for the tree tales (maybe even give the option to re-roll the tree tales at some kind of cost).

[jolly sedge]

Is good on my eyes.

[somber haven]

What do these numbers mean

[vital river]

im pretty sure its enemy level range

i could be wrong though

[somber haven]

I can’t accept the 17-20 one

[round cove]

I’m a bit confused at the moment regarding story progression . I’ve done all the quests I can do, last one I did was the wolf one, and now I have no clue were to go

[vital river]

its a seige, just go to the fort nearby

[round cove]

Also no longer seeing faction bounties

[vital river]

just farm levels and reasources, also faction quests are all at the world trees now

[round cove]

Did that change in the latest update?

[vital river]

yes

[cold idol]

Guys, idk if I'm just dumb... But where am I meant to go after I find the guys quill in like the first mission?

[vital river]

back to him to return the quill