gameplay-discussion

[wanton badger]

Who's Kuato again?

[spare badge]

That's what I call Orlik's shoulder mutant. Since DE confirmed that he's not actually a baby. The name comes from the baby-like mutant growing out of the stomach of the guy leading the resistance in Total Recall (the original, not the remake).

[wanton badger]

Ooooh! I like that

Much better than calling him 'little genius'

[spare badge]

Exactly.

I view "little genius" as a title. Until we get a proper name for him, I call him Kuato.

[wanton badger]

I mean I get that Orlick has to have that shakespeare flair but cmon mahn introduce us to the other half of you.

...then again Orlick could have very well just named his shoulder mutant thing 'little genius' and just didn't give him a proper name

that'd be messed up but would be in line with the 'fey nature' of the game

[spare badge]

I do like that Orlik adopts Avakot's term "Secret-y Glades", and apparently Kuato corrects him, because he responds by saying "yes, I know it's not a real word".

[wanton badger]

real

Avakot my goat that I beat the shit out of in Regatta

[spare badge]

Orlik and Kuato living a buddy mutants movie....

[hollow wyvern]

Ok so uhhh what do I do if ther eare no legal moves for me in Regatta?? I think I'm stuck 😅

[wanton badger]

How did you manage that?

[hollow wyvern]

I was just messing around, it's my first game lmao

[wanton badger]

OH

[sly escarp]

Start a fresh coin

[hollow wyvern]

Don't even understand the rules

[wanton badger]

Just put the coin on the board

[sly escarp]

Can't move any of them on the board

[hollow wyvern]

I can't click on the coin

[sly escarp]

Click on the white and red tokens that are not on the board

[wanton badger]

You can't click on the ones not on the board?

[sly escarp]

It will start a new piece

[hollow wyvern]

WAIT nevermind....I clicked it a bunch of times and it didn't work but now it's working. Thanks 😄

[wanton badger]

alright

you want the rules rq?

[hollow wyvern]

Nah more fun this way but ty 😁

[wanton badger]

aight bet. Happy playing

lowkey Regatta sounds fun to play as an actual game but I have no wood working skills

[hollow wyvern]

I beat him, first game lol nice!

That poor, sick avocado

[hollow wyvern]

Yeah it's really interesting! Beautiful game board

[kind pawn]

I know I'm missing witan, but the other hidden ones look like copies of ones I have maxed, are they copies are actual variants?

[smoky crater]

There's a few posts in #envoy-creations of irl boards people have made

[mystic sedge]

iirc that screen is all kinds of borked. You wanna use Avakot Wiki to cross reference what youre missing

[hollow wyvern]

So on this screen do I just hit Esc+Yes to quit? Or is there a different way I'm supposed to leave at the end

[smoky crater]

Correct to the first

[hollow wyvern]

Nice thanks!

Wasn't sure if I'd lose...whatever I won from that haha

[kind pawn]

oh ok, Witan is the only one, totally not going insane...

[mystic sedge]

Off my memory, Witan is all youre missing yeah

[smoky crater]

You win the mental health gained from having beaten avakot

[hollow wyvern]

Are there any collectible/easter eggs inside the story areas (like inside that tent at the beginning, for example) or just out in the open world and stuff only?
i.e. should I at all be looking around for interactable stuff or be paying full attention to the task at hand?

I mean I always kinda browse around for neat details but you know how some games want you to check every bookshelf or crate or whatever for special stuff

[celest warren]

how fast i can get a acces to the game?

[tall quiver]

Why are the sound so muffled when you put stars in a ayatan sculpture?

[idle owl]

you missed the devstream on friday

fastest and most surefire way rn is buying a founders pack

otherwise you gotta wait for one of the weekly wednesday code emails to land on you

[celest warren]

oh tnx

[brittle nacelle]

second fastest is watching the next dev stream (envoy hour technically) on the 10th

[idle owl]

envoy hour will give it?

[brittle nacelle]

exact time will be announced later on

[brittle nacelle]

most likely, last time we had envoy hour they gave the drop

and they're only making it more easily available over time so I don't see them taking that away

[wanton badger]

oooh aight

[smoky crater]

Might be able to find them with the search feature but no promises

[wanton badger]

ye I found the one in progress by Andre

thas so damn cool

[round swan]

Does the "endless" tile in glades always spawn off the room?

[visual radish]

Envoy hour on the 10th

[wanton badger]

speaking of

[wanton badger]

if we get an extra access key through twitch drops can we just give them to friends?

[visual radish]

Yup

[wanton badger]

peak

I don't think I can yoink two access codes before Preludes 13, but I can at least get one

[opaque jasper]

You can if you get another person to watch with their twitch account.

[visual radish]

Well in one stream yeah

[wanton badger]

true

the friends I'm thinking of don't watch twitch for the drops unfortunately

[visual radish]

you dont need different accounts to get a drop

But yeah it is one key per drop so to get more out of one drop you would need multiple accounts

[wanton badger]

ye

so I'd either have to make an alt or try to persuade one of them to tune into the stream for 30m

[visual radish]

Yup

[languid escarp]

see the doors that glow in the glades, usually behind waterfalls, can we get in there?

[hollow wyvern]

This game is sick 😄

The vibes are excellent, it's really beautiful

[wanton badger]

Reaaaal

Also screw the Ode

[smoky crater]

yeep

[languid escarp]

how?

[smoky crater]

wall buttons/statues

[languid escarp]

oh ok, ty

didn't know we had wall buttons

[smoky crater]

soulmode or somethin

[unreal bay]

Pls dropp condiguin

[mint sphinx]

Anyone know why I cant pick up the sap?

[visual radish]

try another angle, sometimes they don't place the interact prompt all around it

[mint sphinx]

I have the interact prompt it just has a slash through it saying I cant grab it

[visual radish]

supposed to be able to pick it up as long as you have done the bear quest

[tall quiver]

Does arcane stretch work with razor mortar on Caliban?

[tiny hatch]

Wrong discord!

[tall quiver]

Oh lol sorry

[tiny hatch]

i think the answer is yes though?

[tall quiver]

Thx 😂

[edgy vortex]

Look into specing into spirit for caliban he could use range

[exotic tide]

what's this thing on the back of the bear armor?
I thought it was a fur collar from the images

[spare badge]

It's a basket for birds to nest in.

Hopefully, we get a version of the armor without it, eventually.

[exotic tide]

that would make sense
I figured it was either something like that, or a basket to carry a baby in lmao
if it's bear themed, I can imagine a spot to keep your cub in transport

[spare badge]

Or picnic basket...

[exotic tide]

lmfaooo the concept art really sells something different

[spare badge]

First time finding out what concept art is?

[exotic tide]

one of these days...
I'll get that bow Rune to drop

I've been at it for so long

[spare badge]

I know that pain well. People started to disbelieve that I hadn't gotten it...

And then again for the cogah one...

[exotic tide]

what's cogah?

[spare badge]

Optional "hard mode" potion, unlocked from verminia's second fable after completing the waste bear fable.

[exotic tide]

Oh crazy, I didn't even know that was a thing lol

how do I unlock the 2nd one?
I did the first already

[spare badge]

Build color palets ot rank her up. Then she goes all emo and runs away. Find her and have a chat.

[exotic tide]

how do I build color pallets?

[hexed spoke]

Brew hue

[spare badge]

Buy the fragment from your faction leader, then talk to her and choose Brew Hues.

[exotic tide]

I've seen that option, but I've only seen potions on that menu

ahhh from the faction leaders?

I'll get on that
I've been slowly grinding out Silent Rose, but it's taking a million years lmao

[spare badge]

Everything's a bit slower when you're new. As you acumulate good gear and stuff, then it's just a matter of how much free time you've got and tollerance for rep grinding.

[exotic tide]

I'm not really that new
it's just so much has changed since I last played lol

[spare badge]

I hear that can have the same effect.

[exotic tide]

I want to try my best to keep up with the "Mastry Rank" as new gear comes out
I just got to 14 today, and I heard it's only up to 15 now?

[frigid spoke]

17

[upbeat anvil]

i cant decide which puppers to pick for the life of me

[frigid spoke]

Doesn't matter other than color

[upbeat anvil]

ik that but there all awesome

[crimson helm]

He’s suited up to use his poop knife.

[exotic tide]

never say that again

[mint sphinx]

Any one know why I cant pick up the sap?

[valid birch]

Probs dont have the tap yet?

[daring jacinth]

I think you need to progress the waste bear questline to get the sap tap.@daring jacinth

[mint sphinx]

No i dont have a tap i didnt know I needed to get one my bird just kept bring me here thank you

[valid birch]

Just a thought

[vital wedge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[exotic tide]

sign up for preludes access and you might get it

[valid birch]

From the Dev Streams, another perons, or getting some founders

[exotic tide]

or find someone to give you a code

[valid birch]

or signing up on the official site

[exotic tide]

how bad do you want to play the game?

[vital wedge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[exotic tide]

like really bad?

or really really bad?

[valid birch]

#envoy-gathering message

[crimson helm]

I apologize

[dusty hare]

I hope when the game develops later i can play something like a healer for a team

[visual radish]

You already can
Oscelda has an aoe healing plant
And i'm pretty sure garren rood heals the team as well

[hexed flicker]

Garren does but it is inconsistent and based on damage dealt (which is partially percentage of current health based) so it isn't super reliable late in a fight

Current health of target*

[unreal roost]

has anyone tested out smolder in the mora's hand tree

[deft lodge]

hey all, how do I acquire an invite? Game downloaded. Halp

[raven basin]

u need to finish brewer of hues fable from verminia

[raven basin]

you have to wait for an invite, or watch a stream from twitch to get a code from twitch drops (make sure to link your sf account with twitch), or other ppl are giving out codes sometimes.. but pls refrain from begging. you can check this pin #envoy-gathering message

[molten holly]

Hello, i dont know if its the good channel for this question so i'm sorry if not. The question is : The game will wipe and reset all the progression when the game will be officially on release? or we keep all the progression? 🙂 thx for your time and your answer

[old grove]

No current plans to reset progression

[dawn arrow]

This game encourages to collect and play with every weapon, i think each shared type weapon should have some kind of unique trait/affix. this will make it super exciting

[neat night]

---

There's a case where they separated Fey Pact into 3 different pacts -> you lost Fey Pact, but the Mastery exp you get from that still remains

sorry for my English btw

[mighty wigeon]

Just buy the founder they all worth it

[neat night]

there's a guy who sharing the code

in #envoy-gathering maybe you can contact him

to see anycode left

[leaden bane]

What do I do once I do the missions

[mystic sedge]

If you've done all the fable quests. Then you start farming, leveling stuff to lvl 30, and making builds. Kill Agari until youre strong enough to do Cogah. Build faction reputation as well

[minor violet]

if anyone needs 1 code to talk to me, I have 2

if anyone needs them, let me go to the DM

I only have one code of preludes left, whoever wants to, you know

[trim oriole]

is the workshop posted yet?

[vagrant kayak]

No, we also don't know if that will be today, when a workshop or Soul Short etc happen it'll be in #soulframe-news

[uneven spindle]

do you have the tap for the sap what comes from the rats? (Sorry, scroll bar didn't work)

[round fable]

Okay so this is for the Linux users out there. Are you playing Soulframe on Linux, and if so, what distro are you running it on? I am getting closer and closer to bailing from the Microsoft Sinking ship but the only thing that is stopping me is Soulframe and I wanna make sure I can play this epic game on it.

[twin gust]

i get its probably a progression thing but why did they put the full map in the first hub area you unlock yet the map stays foggy afterwards?

[keen river]

i think this is just a relic of past preludes, we didn't always have world trees. used to be that the map was entirely visible from the start.

also of note is that that map has a LOT of detail only in the midwest, which used to be the only area we could actually play in.

[twin gust]

now that you mention it yeah i get what you were saying

[keen river]

it's just an outdated texture, and honestly i don't know if they plan to make it dynamically update as you get rid of the fog, but i think that'd be an awesome idea

[twin gust]

yeah it would be cool

might be difficult to code especially for such a minimal thing

well more like idk if its worth putting the effort into that

cause they could just overlay it

im pretty sure

[keen river]

eh, i wonder if they couldn't just project the player's map (sans markers) onto that mesh pretty easily

things are rarely THAT simple in gamedev, but it should be possible at least

[twin gust]

if that ever happens WE yes WE are taking credit for that

im watching you DE

[shell smelt]

I'm really worried about having each ability in a pact scale off of one of the three virtues respectively. Aren't people just gonna pick a prism that mains one virtue and only use one ability from a pact? With pacts essentially being a sort of "class" system, having 2/3 of a class go unused by people trying to meta build seems like a flaw in system cohesion

[olive patio]

Question: what weapon originally came with Oscelda before casting weapons came in, wasn't there something there before the staff?

[tulip star]

im downloading the game rn, could someone who has played it or knows tell me what are the limitations in this current build?

[smoky crater]

Oscelda itself was added at the same time as the first caster weapon which was the odiac, and odiac was the spirit starter weapon back then

[smoky crater]

Far from a finished game.

[tulip star]

how long could i play before discovering everything it has rn?

[olive patio]

Ohhh okay, so what, the spirit pact was Ode Tempest or something?

[smoky crater]

Story wise, maybe 5 hours.
To do and get everything? You can spend a 100

[olive patio]

That doesn't sound right, they had the stone and the bird and the heal already

[smoky crater]

Nah before Oscelda was added, there was no "courage, spirit, grace" starters. It was just the old fey pact which got split into our current 3 starter pacts, and ode tempest. And no matter which one you picked, you got both

[tulip star]

oh okay, for an unfinished game it sure provides a lot of content then, will this be a free game when fully released? If not do founders get a free copy

[smoky crater]

Completely free to play

[olive patio]

I picked sirin, but my buddy had the bird attack and the healing plant abilities, this was all before the staff came about

[tulip star]

oh nice, one final question, since they are offering invite codes for friends i take it online play is already available? and is it limited to friends for now or will i be able to join anyone's world and grind

[smoky crater]

Yes. The old fey pacts abilities were given to sirin and oscelda. With tethren being a technically 100% new pact

[olive patio]

Wao I really don't remember how things used to be lol

[smoky crater]

Multiplayer exists yes. Max party size is 3 atm and also no matchmaking currently

[full hearth]

Booo, Tethren got an ability name from a Fey passive and the skill visual is reminiscent of it.

[tulip star]

ah okay okay, thanks for your help

[full hearth]

But yes technically a new ability

[smoky crater]

Ye "technically"

[olive patio]

So I started with a bow, the fire or courage pact had a sword, what did the spirit starter have as a weapon back then

[smoky crater]

Before the addition of the magick weapons?

[full hearth]

Odiac before Gwylen was added in next Preludes

Before Odiac it was uhhhhhhhhhhh

[olive patio]

That's what I thought, that was the magicy weapon of the time

[smoky crater]

Before odiac (P9) it was this ^

[full hearth]

Right

[smoky crater]

It was 3 melee weapons you chose from, and ode tempest and the old fey pact.

[shell smelt]

take your time, I'd do the story/main quest stuff first. Then explore, uncover the map, collect all the motes, get the armor/weapons you want the most. See how you feel after that 👍🏼 If you're going at your own pace, should have a few weeks of enjoyment before you hit boredom and wait for the next update

[olive patio]

So the starting pacts really didn't have proper names back then? Does anyone have an image of that? Wild I don't remember what it was like when I started

[keen river]

i mean, they had names, "fey" and "ode tempest"

fey pact just doesn't exist anymore because it was split between the three starters we have now, and ode tempest is still called ode tempest

i'll have to see if i have any screenshots from back then, but i imagine i probably do

[vagrant kayak]

Have a P0 screenshot

[keen river]

wait.. is THAT what the sky citadel used to look like??

[vagrant kayak]

Ye

[keen river]

and the moon, wow.

[vagrant kayak]

They cut Teshin's head off and put it in the sky

[keen river]

here's a screenshot from back when fenn was still chilling in nightfold with us

[vagrant kayak]

That's why he ||doesn't have his helmet in Duviri||

[tulip star]

launching it rn, so excited ngl

[dapper rain]

theres threads in the Q&A that might have the answer your lookin for

[verbal sequoia]

QUESTION:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what I heard before, but does working on another faction's rep decrease or disable the one I've already maxed out?

[sly escarp]

It does not

[undone laurel]

yall how do i get Gathannan

[sly escarp]

When you change factions, your current faction's reputation becomes locked at a certain value, and your new Faction must be started from 0. If you swap back, your old value becomes unloacked and the one you swapped from becomes locked in turn

[sly escarp]

Kill the Vadagar Stag boss

[verbal sequoia]

Sweet, I was hoping it wasn't like the factions in Warframe. We're all against the Sinecure after all.

[undone laurel]

i've killed so many of them and not gotten any fragments

[sly escarp]

Pretty rare drop it seems.

[verbal sequoia]

Speaking of rare fragments, I genuinely forgot Orengall had an armor set, and only randomly got one piece from a box that was destroyed upon my returning from the nightfold

[sly escarp]

Alca's Children tales drops

[edgy vortex]

Vadagar stag

[verbal sequoia]

Ohhhh

[edgy vortex]

Its rare again for some reason

That thing has never been easy to get

[undone laurel]

i've gotten the shards for 3 sets of garren armor 😭 zero shards

[edgy vortex]

Its not even THAT good its just a slightly stronger grace spear

[undone laurel]

i really like the spears though

and i think duhk halik looks cringe

[woeful mantle]

I can no longer see which eternium garden instances my flowers are in, I don't know if it's just a UI problem or if the flowers themselves are gone. Anyone else?

[edgy vortex]

At least its actually realistically obtainable now

[undone laurel]

what is the eternium garden

[edgy vortex]

I never planted mine so I can neither confirm nor deny this

[woeful mantle]

It's where founders can plant the flowers that come with the founder packs

[edgy vortex]

Its a garden for founders players to mark when they got founders

[woeful mantle]

Use the flute emote in the nightfold to see them

[edgy vortex]

You have to play a song in the nightfold to get there

[dawn arrow]

Hi, to confirm, does "Torcheternal" Polearm rune drop in normal or cogah? the wiki page for it is missing

[finite stone]

the wiki page for it is missing

https://wiki.avakot.org/Torcheternal

[dawn arrow]

nice thanks

[finite stone]

Not sure what you meant regarding the wiki page! Let me know if you're having any issues

To answer your question, it drops in both regular and Cogah in my experience - regular is a guarantee, but cogah might have been a bug. I'd be curious if anyone else experienced it dropping in Cogah for them (instead of obtaining a Splitbolt). We really need DE to push the public export lol

[undone laurel]

ive planted my flower thank you chatters

[dawn arrow]

it loaded from the link you gave me, but when i click on this rune from the runes page, it doesnt go to its page

[finite stone]

Oh weird! Thanks for the report, I'll look into it, it's working for me from https://wiki.avakot.org/Runes but I'll see if I can recreate it or if anyone else has trouble

[dawn arrow]

omg excuse me, it didnt work because the page was already in Torcheternal just scrolled down to runes list. My bad. Site is working normally

And looks thats your website? amazing job!

[finite stone]

Ahahah no worries! You know that's a great point though, I wonder if it'd be better QoL if clicking that took you back to the top of the page? It's in bold to show that you're already on that page, but it doesn't stand out hugely tbf

[finite stone]

I just edit/write a lot on it! Can't take any credit for making the functionality though, that's all the hard work of Oreo and Griffith

[knotty imp]

just opened the channel and saw this, what is THAT in the upper left corner???

[brazen sparrow]

That's the older interpretation of the Ode sky castles. For a few preludes versions we didn't have a floating structure of any kind in the sky around p7 - p8, maybe as early as p6. it gets a bit murky.

[spare badge]

Ode taking inspiration from the Omicronians.

[finite stone]

you see it in the original reveal trailer too (it has since been replaced with the updated Skytower, or Citadel as DE called it in devstream 12)

[smoky crater]

i miss it...

[finite stone]

Also crazy to see how much brighter and warmer the game has gotten from their original vision, even just in those two screenshots! I think P12 was when I really noticed it in midrath. It's losing that bleak dark fantasy feel that I loved, but still, I trust in DE's vision...

[fresh basalt]

hey, where do i get key to fort kearnhold dropping stairs?

[finite stone]

from the banneret (you have to manually pick the key off the ground)

[fresh basalt]

hmmh second time i do that fort and 0 keys so far

[smoky crater]

heres from march 2024

[finite stone]

it might glow in spectral sight if you're struggling to find it on the ground?

[fresh basalt]

i'll check one more time, ty

no key

[dusty hare]

took me like a hundred kills

[fresh basalt]

maybe he bugged because i was standing ther and he couldnt do anything? https://i.imgur.com/TFbJDub.jpeg

[bronze elk]

i got an issue, i feel into the water pool during the 'save the pups' mission

and i can t get out of the pit

how to i tp to a checkpoint or something?

[smoky crater]

try using /unstuck

[spare badge]

Just wait till someone tells DE they made the game too bright/colorful so they make an area like Whimsyshire...

[smoky crater]

...yes

[sly escarp]

Honestly that would be a great Summer event

A land of bright lights and rainbows, maybe some cool themed weapons and armour

[peak parrot]

the little smoke clouds filled with black dots that have googley eyes are what?

[spare badge]

They could tie it in with the door in the fireplace at Salzbrim. When the event's active that's how you get there. When it's not, it's just a weird fireproofed wooden door in a fireplace.

[smoky crater]

they translate the names of locations and give lore about them for some.
you can yoink them with Q+M1

[peak parrot]

i dont know if im just basic but im struggeling with the game not explaining mechanics

[wise elm]

thats fair

[spare badge]

Places added with p9 don't have full lore entries yet.

[peak parrot]

like im collecting fragments of what i belive are talismans, however the game dosent explain how many i need, or how to combine them

[wise elm]

if you have the blacksmith lady you can check there

[smoky crater]

fragments =/= talismans

[white igloo]

It does, in the Nightfold. Check the forge

[sly escarp]

Finding the Blacksmith might help with the fragments bit

[humble delta]

Blacksmith lady will tell you. Think talisman fragments appear in the loot instead of a prompt like weapon or armor fragments.

[peak parrot]

I have a tree, cammel, scribe, tent

[white igloo]

granted I still see "Unknown" pick ups which are a little annoying

Ok so then you need to progress more

[smoky crater]

when you pick up a fragment it'll show how many are needed to craft it.
as to how to craft it, you should get guided to the quest that gives you ability to do that

[wise elm]

yeah youll have to find the blacksmith lady the game doesnt take you to her (at least not yet) you have to find her

[spare badge]

You need the blacksmith and verminia.

[white igloo]

You need to do a quest to unlock the forge

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Fables

[smoky crater]

that's just a bug

[frigid spoke]

wut?

[humble delta]

Alca is the world itself

Or nature. Maybe both.

[frigid spoke]

It's the actual world yes

[sly escarp]

Alca is the name of the planet

[full hearth]

Midrath is the current land mass we're on

Alca is the planet

[sly escarp]

Midrath is the land we start in, which the Devs have called the "tutorial zone"

[wise elm]

we know we'll get more areas later but they are focusing on the starter island for now

[smoky crater]

wouldn't really make sense to be working on another island at this point already

[wise elm]

yeah still a lot they can do on this island

[finite stone]

they did say that later this year the 'old boundaries will fall' so I do wonder if that means we're leaving to some extent

but whether that's simply beyond the veil (was the blue ruins an eldveil tileset?), or up into the sky (citadel tileset), rather than to cassia or somewhere, who can say

[smoky crater]

wot...

[finite stone]

#1466905141968896225 message

but those boundaries could be something entirely metaphorical or spiritual or anything lorewise, so all just speculation on my part lol

[white igloo]

Midrath is the island(?) we're on in the game.
Alca is the planet, our "Earth" essentially.

also we got 2 suns + 1 moon I guess

[wise elm]

yeah mora and saphene

[finite stone]

yup

[sly escarp]

Better than 3 suns lol

shudders in 3 body problems

[white igloo]

...Which is causing my 'tism brain to fry with how speculative evolution would drastically affect how a planet forms with that kind of environment.

[low beacon]

Hi all ! I was wondering how I could get a bow. In some outdate videos, it says you can take the bow from a rack in your tent. Now you can't. In Children of Alca's base, I don't see any rack either. Did I miss something, or am I supposed to forge one at the blacksmith ?

[smoky crater]

ah, yeh

[white igloo]

much like how I still refuse to believe the Margoo in Warframe is a species that isn't outcompeted into extinction

[sly escarp]

There's 4 free to earn bows in the game rn: Thistle, which can be bought from your starting faction, Juniper, which can be eanred by finding 3 special idol shrines to play music to, Blitzel, which drops from some bosses, and Maestro, which drops from Thawtide Hunters above level 35

[smoky crater]

is blitzel from the archer boss dood? gruul-hunter-whateverthehell?

[spare badge]

and our moon has a laser.

[sly escarp]

So what you're saying is... The moon is a deadly laser

[smoky crater]

does the laser consist of dead peoples souls if the ring around Iridis is where the souls of the dead go?

[halcyon thicket]

This is the best excuse to have air strikes in Soulframe

[wise elm]

so hand of iridis will have an laser strike from above and nothing will change my mind about that

[spare badge]

We'll have to ask Iridis when we meet him.

[finite stone]

Head to https://wiki.avakot.org/Bow and just pick whichever bow you like! It'll tell you where it can be farmed.

[finite stone]

I wonder if Atajan can speak to Iridis

[white igloo]

Also the moon has a Lotus pattern on the surface

speaking of bows

[smoky crater]

or time travel to when he visited Salzbrim? 👀

[white igloo]

I'm ashamed to admit how long it took me to figure out why I was missing the 3rd fragment for Juniper.
It's because I missed the song fragment right outside our grandpa's forest shack.

[finite stone]

laser pact confirmed??

[halcyon thicket]

Looks like atajan's pact arm

[finite stone]

it is yeah, I'm assuming that's what they meant by Hand of Iridis since he's the gyre

iridis boi

[wise elm]

nice

[spare badge]

I mean... This isn't exactly a new Skyrim mod. But it's great for dealing with when there's an enemy you can't find that's preventing you from fast traveling.

[spare badge]

That's not Iridis. That's just another of our Ancestors.

[uneven spindle]

so we have iridis, mora (if we're counting fenn), but what about saphene?

[uneven spindle]

swear i've seen that before

[spare badge]

Like I said... It's not a new mod. It's one that's just been updated for every version of Skyrim. They basically retooled the laser from Fallout New Vegas into a spell, lesser power, and castable rune. It's one of the popular ones, so keeps getting updated for new versions of the game.

[finite stone]

The moon behind Atajan is Iridis, which he and the other Gyres worship

[finite stone]

This is the big question! Saphene is the only one left out now... (if we don't count Culveer, Sidae etc)

[uneven spindle]

everyone forgets saphene.

[wise elm]

cause saphene is grace

[spare badge]

I blame Kane for destroying the saphene sword.

If he hadn't done that, then saphene would have a weapon to represent her.

[uneven spindle]

maybe the reason saphene is blue is because she's depressed all the time

[trim oriole]

Workshop delayed?

[bronze elk]

do you get a mount or is it not in the game yet?

[frigid spoke]

yes

[bronze elk]

is it the pup that you chose?

[long grove]

they said they wanna do mounts this year, but not a certainty

[frigid spoke]

Eventually will be pup. Not anytime soon

[bronze elk]

so you can t get a mount yet ...

[frigid spoke]

yes

[bronze elk]

man u need to work on ur answers

xD

[frigid spoke]

lol I answered your q

yes you can't get a mount yet

[bronze elk]

how does that answer the 'do you get a mount or is it not in the game yet?'

It s a 'or' not yes/no

[frigid spoke]

Yes as in there are mounts, not in game yet

[wise elm]

speechcraft 100

[long grove]

pfffft

[mossy trench]

will preludes progress transfer?

[wise elm]

they will not wipe our progress unless they have no other choice

[spare badge]

Yes.

[half talon]

I mean...they are in game, just not available to the masses. Dev build, sure. Public? not so much. Sad days....but at least they were confirmed for this year.

[brittle nacelle]

I just wanna explore with my puppy

now I made myself wonder if mounts will vanish after we hop off em or we can explore with the mount just chilling with us

[long grove]

mounts themselves may be large on the battle pet side. especially if you're going full squad.

so prolly not

[brittle nacelle]

could make em walk a bit back to stay out of the way, or only chill with us if out of combat/running solo

[spare badge]

Could be possible to have them stick around solo, but not in squads?

Seems like a fair trade-off.

[inland grail]

hello

where do i find a code for the game

[verbal sequoia]

Are the pacts that avakot sells upgraded versions of the existing pacts that you get from the fables? Cause they show as 3 star, whereas the fables ones show as 2 star.

Or are they just there in case you want to get them back if you sold the pact to make room for another?

[lean prawn]

This, stars on pacts don't do anything (right now)

[verbal sequoia]

Shame, alright. Wanted to make sure before wasting coin on them

[halcyon thicket]

they're not actually 3-star, it's a UI mistake

[winged light]

guys did they change smth today, cuz i feel like my damage dropped massively

[halcyon thicket]

don't think so no

[winged light]

okay maybe im tweaking then but it feels weirdd

I should farm for my enclave in the top right corner of the map right?

[long grove]

did you change weapon? maybe your virtues don't align with your current weapon

[dim wave]

Silly question but the Garren Rood polearm drops from stags, right? Had no luck at all so far

Also do factions play a part in general loot drops or only in drops from the factions themselves? Been wondering if I need to be with Alca’s to get dewelion drops

[hardy wolf]

Polearm frags are low, expect a longish time but rng is rng. Faction doesn’t matter.

[dim wave]

Gotcha. Thx

[lethal tundra]

RUNES, are so damn unfair.

They turn boss fights, into inconveniences. Slap on the Totems for boosted smite chance and duration. That's just a war crime.

My tips to new players to seek out the Runes for your favorite weapons. Before even worrying about the Pact Quests or joining a faction.

[trim oriole]

Faction tales do have specific drops based on tier and faction

[round swan]

is there a way to check how many faction points on currently have without going to the faction post? all it says on faction complete is "max rank". tryna get to ode tempest, but cant tell if i'm at my limit for the day or if I can keep farming

[trim oriole]

only way is to do a tale and see what it says at the end

if it says max it could either be daily cap or standing cap, gonna have to check faction shop for that one

[round swan]

i just hit faction cap. so guessing its that.

[hardy wolf]

We’re not talking faction items

[round swan]

dont wanna waste time farming faction quests if I hit my daily limit already though.

[hardy wolf]

Daily cap is 16.5k but you can farm the main faction as much as you want, think my kings is close to 500k

[finite stone]

Enclaves currently have no impact on anything in the game other than enclave-specific content (sparrow's tales and standing/purchases)

[long grove]

flat 16k, but yeah. Also at rank 5 you can only hold 30k, so be sure to spend to continue earning.

[hardy wolf]

You hold more than 30k I’m at close to 500k

[finite stone]

Nope, no way to get to 500k

You can hold 30k at Rank 5, which will appear as 110k on the UI (because the rank-up requirement for Rank 5 was 80k)

[dawn arrow]

Like did you just continue doing tales?

[unborn grail]

pics or didnt happen🗣️

[long grove]

I think you're looking at the wrong thing. because the cap is for sure 30k at rank 5

[hardy wolf]

Yea just did tales as I gave 3 maxed accounts so never change now, purchased stacks of dust

Ow yea sorry not 500k stacked my bad I mean total sorry miss read your reply

[long grove]

when you view mission completion sparrow, it always shows your total rep including past rank. so if you had 0 rep at rank 5, it would show 80k. since that's the rep it takes to hit rank 5. but even then, the highest it will go is 110k rep, which is the rep cap entirely.

ah

[solid summit]

real quick question about enclaves since that is the talk right now: can you only see you current standing at you enclave boss or do you have an UI element for it in idk the inventory or the Night Fold somewhere?

[hardy wolf]

Yea stacked right now is like 100 something k

[long grove]

yeah the ui needs a bit cleaning so its misleading at first

[dawn arrow]

I dont understand the design of this UI, confusing or maybe just me

[long grove]

like thinking you pick up 10 wevetseeds when you pick the plant, even tho you only got 1-3 and it shows a running total

[trim oriole]

only at the enclave and a quick pop up after you done a tale

[long grove]

yeah the things that make the game pretty are on the back burner as they build the core of the game. we get updates here and there, but they have priorities

[bronze elk]

do you guys know where i can find the parts for juniper ?

[hardy wolf]

Yea the seed thing I have to explain in q&a channel once a day at least

[bronze elk]

on reddit there is the old map only

[long grove]

check Wiki.avakot.org for all your drop source needs

[finite stone]

yeah 110

[finite stone]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Juniper

[winged light]

if u use a joinery, does ur weapon lvl reset?

[trim oriole]

only if its blessed

[halcyon marsh]

just blessed joineries

[winged light]

oh i see thanks so like when changing from grace to courage

thanksss

[trim oriole]

yeah

joineries are changing next week though so could be smart to holf off using them for now

[lean prawn]

Do we know if they will still reset level now that they don't change attunment?

[spare badge]

We don't know.

[smoky crater]

i don't see why they wouldn't still reset the level

[lean prawn]

Right now only blessed resets level because it changes the funciton, now none of them change funciton and only change magnitude so I don't know which direction they're going to go

[long grove]

it still changes how it works, be understandable. essentially rewiring it.

[humble delta]

How hard is Cogah solo?

[spare badge]

Depends on your loadout. With bow with either rune, and Oscelda, it's not so bad.

[finite stone]

Depending on the equipment you choose, how leveled it is, how well-enchanted it is etc, it can genuinely range from easy to very hard

Usually it's just an enhanced-stat and longer-cooldown version of however you're currently finding the game to be with your build

[humble delta]

Ah gotcha. Usually able to one-shot bosses with bow and tethren.

[dawn arrow]

Only 2 bosses kinda hard for me

[spare badge]

The real pain is that the RNG needs smacked upside the head with a heavy wrench so's it'll stop requireing 100+ boss kills for runes.

[humble delta]

Fair lol. Starting to think Dewellion doesn't exist outside the market.

[bronze elk]

if you buy ORENGALL from Avakot is it built or is it just the recipie ?

[spare badge]

IT's just the fragment.

If you do the fable, you get that for free.

[bronze elk]

good thing i asked xD I thought i can skip that pesky building recipie and just buy it

[spare badge]

If you buy from Zenith, it's built.

But that's premium currency stuff.

Better to just buy slots and build stuff, unless you end up with one thing that just refuses to drop.

[bronze elk]

I would rather just grind up the resources

[bronze elk]

heard it might be better to just keep it maybe u can get soething nice at release

like if more stuff gets added

[spare badge]

It's up to personal preference, but currently, the slots situation is a bit like Warframe's. Better to spend starting currency on slots than fancier stuff.

[humble delta]

I end up hoarding my weapons in case we get some kind of helminth system that eats our stuff for perks

[spare badge]

I'm just a packrat. I don't like having to sell something to make room for something else.

[dawn arrow]

do Rood passive abilities work?

[smoky crater]

should

[spare badge]

I'm not entirely sure how the one about healing charging a rune works...

[smoky crater]

healing while rune is active gives it more charge? maybe?

[spare badge]

Wiki doesn't have info spede on it yet. 🤣 https://wiki.avakot.org/Healheart

I get the feeling that if it does something, the description is wonky.

[halcyon thicket]

Life steal abilities/joineries recharge rune duration

So as long as ur not full hp and have some life stealing mechanic rune duration is infinite

[spare badge]

If you can prove that, send it over to the avakot.org discord people.

[halcyon marsh]

Life steal adds to rune duration? Does it just add a little each time or tops up?

[spare badge]

hmm... I can try to test it... Will need to resist urge to just kill enemies...

[halcyon thicket]

Refills half a rune's bar

[frail ridge]

got all the cogah runes

[frigid spoke]

saralovesarchery did a whole thing on garren rood n greatsword and having infinite rune charge if you do things right.

[spare badge]

In that case, I can just mention that the page needs updated.

[dawn arrow]

So If i enter a dungeon for vella then inside a quest appears, vella wont appear for this run right? I finished it and re-entered again, also got a quest inside. How am I supposed to find vella in this case?

[pure galleon]

Hi ! Is there a known bug with The Collector events ? I'm under the ship but nothing happens 🙁

[hardy jacinth]

Oh you are talking about the red balloon. You need the torch to burn it

[frigid spoke]

no that's a totally different thing

[pure galleon]

I don't see the balloon, I see a ship with lightning. I thought it was collector, but maybe I need to find the red balloon

[frigid spoke]

No balloon w/collector, just adds n mada trying to take stuff up. Try killing things. It should have started when you got close. If nothing else, relog

[pure galleon]

Is this the balloon for the ship event ?

Nothing happens, I've tried relog

Sorry english my two language

[frigid spoke]

ah you just started game looks like, follow your birb, look around

That's not collector event, that's part of the begining fable

[pure galleon]

This worked. Thank you

[frigid spoke]

bet

[sage steeple]

Im trying to collect motes and when i got all in the college of pensive it wont let me claim the reward and the last diamond isn't filled in

[plucky bolt]

Any tips on defeating Gruul Seeker Sontaro? We've been fighting for like an hour. She keeps healing and is invulnerable almost all the time except when we use our firey sword ability. And even then it's only for the next hit.

[frigid spoke]

You're weapon/pact is too low for that boss, if they have grey bar, you're not doing enough damage. Level up n come back later or do all heavy attacks and use your pact skills in tandem. g/l

[frigid spoke]

There's nothing to collect, getting all the histories just gives you envoy rank. Not all of the histories are written in game yet.

[sage steeple]

@frigid spoke oh okay i read that the college of pensive was one with a reward

[frigid spoke]

They used to a few preludes ago, now it's just envoy rank n lore

[plucky bolt]

thank you 🙂

me and my buddy somehow managed to time the fire sword with a take down all right before she healed and somehow she died. we literally spent over an hour with her

[oak furnace]

talso try heavy attacks or using abilities that increase damage (like bestone) or charging up a rune to do more damage

[plucky bolt]

we started playing 2 hours ago

idk what is what

[oak furnace]

Fun stuff to learn as you go! FOr now the middle mouse button does a slower attack that does a lot more damage. It can help with tough enemies

[visual radish]

And holding block while pressing heavy attack throws the weapon

[plucky bolt]

oh wow

ty!

[oak furnace]

took me forever to learn that

I stopped playing in P3 because I couldn't figure it out, there were no tutorials because of NDA, and no wikis...

[visual radish]

How time flies

[oak furnace]

I think is was P3.. it was early on

[plucky bolt]

Yeah, I briefly played in one of the first preludes. then I forgot about it and got distracted for a long time lol

[oak furnace]

it was very different then. Felt like a sandbox for concurrent user tests, lol. Like no content at all

[plucky bolt]

yep

[barren scroll]

@slim plume

[neat night]

kill the boss

can help get rid of the red screen I think

worked for me the the last time

[exotic tide]

is courage attuned Starling the best bow in the game?

[barren scroll]

Yes haha. It is just a very slow expedition to get to the next boss. Lovely imp

[plucky bolt]

how can I form fragments into a full piece? and how do I know how many I need?

[exotic tide]

do you have the forgemaster unlocked?

[west meadow]

just spent 3 in game days looking for rivers

river pearls

looked in all rivers all over the map at all times if day

got only 2

[lucid ice]

Does anyone know where people upgrade their weapons? I heard there's a specific place for that, where they upgrade really fast.

[west meadow]

There’s a spot that keeps spawning enemies. I forgot the name

[lucid ice]

If anyone knows, please let me know.

[tough mountain]

It’s the endless tile set in the glades. It spawns randomly. Giant circular room with stag statue in the center. Once stag is activated, it will spawn 20rounds of enemies.
It’s called “endless” because it originally was endless waves until they patched it in p12

[neat night]

go inside th Glade Dungeon, the tile set will be random, so you have to go around to check if the room available or not, if not, log out -> go into the dungeon again -> should be new tile set now, loop until you found the room

there's no working trick sadly, it's luck based

but if you found the room & have a friend who willing to hold the checkpoint for you, you can basically join him to get the checkpoint again after u done and do that until you bored

[lucid ice]

Could you tell me the exact location? I'm new to the game, so I don't know it.

[neat night]

check the map, you should see some locations that called Glade of Andurin

any of those will work

[frigid spoke]

You are 100% better off just playing the game and doing the fables then faction tales fighting higher lvl mobs as you go. It'll be way faster than trying to find a random room not guaranteed to spawn. Just enjoy the game.

[lunar atlas]

does discovering dungeon gives mastery xp?

[neat night]

you will have to play the game in order to get new weapons for leveling them anyway

xD

that room offers nothing but exp

[frigid spoke]

You get a tiny amount finding the entrance and exit

[lunar atlas]

aight thanks for the answer

[lucid ice]

What is this room like?

I found a dungeon, but I have absolutely no idea how to find this room, what it's like.

[neat night]

pulled some images from Google, not mine haha

and again, it's random, it may spawn, it may not

I would just suggest not to spend hours trying to find it... maybe try 1 or 2 times to see if you are lucky or not

try to loot everything while you are at it so your time wont be wasted

[lucid ice]

thanks

[frigid spoke]

So you know, IF you find the room, it starts at a lowish lvl, depends on the dungeon and the lvls increase each wave for 20 levels. If you die, it ends. if you leave for any reason, it ends. You can't go to your camp to change weapons. IF you find the arena and are solo, you are stuck with what you have.

[neat night]

I would suggest against solo though, just invite someone through recruit chat, it will be way faster, safer and you can also change weapon mid run if needed

people tend to join endless a lot so it shouldn't be hard to find someone

[red lake]

I'm understanding this right we cant parry heavy attacks with short blades right?

[frigid spoke]

look in the weapon tree for that skill

[red lake]

Yeah it doesnt have unyielding sadge, back to Long Blades

[west meadow]

Any tips to find river pearls easier?

It’s been 7 in game days and I still only found 2

[frigid spoke]

do tier 3 tales also. Bosses can drop em

[west meadow]

Bought another 2 from avakot as well

[frigid spoke]

sometimes avakot vendor sells two

[west meadow]

[red lake]

The swamp ish area down southwest is a great area to find them from experienc but then again its all RNG

[frigid spoke]

They also share a spawn with another flower or a few of them? So pick everything to help the pearls spawn also

[dawn arrow]

How do you activate the polearm rune that throws 4 projectiles? II dont think I saw 4 projectiles coming out of me

[long grove]

runes are activated when you smite an enemy

[dawn arrow]

Thanks, sorry another question if you dont mind, can all weapons parry? It looks like magick weapons do not parry meelee?

[long grove]

they can parry magic, not physical attacks

[ebon wraith]

Melee you parry and magic you dodge

[dawn arrow]

Thanks, i almost lost my mind

[unreal roost]

for garren rood pact, do you guys level healheart/righteous?

do the levels in healheart extend the rune extension affect

[somber haven]

I just bought paragon pack before starting the game and when I entered my login info and start the game I just stood up from this rock and nothing is in my journal?

[barren scroll]

You won’t have anything in your journal there isn’t additional quests which come with it. What are you looking for?

[somber haven]

Umm question line?

Quest

I played through some of it on my other account

[barren scroll]

There isn’t any quest in your journal at all?

[somber haven]

Absolutely empty

Wasn’t I supposed to start in a mothers embrace or something

[noble viper]

Hi is it me or this guide has something wrong where it has Everflame rune on Polearm or there is actually an Everflame version for Polearm ?

[barren scroll]

Did you create your envoy?

[somber haven]

No I just logged in

After buying the pack on website

[barren scroll]

Hmmm. I’m not sure the answer of this currently, let me do some digging. If anyone else has suggestions feel free to share them below.

[barren scroll]

Looks like alcast website which is super outdated.

I recommend using this very useful website, it has everything you need: https://wiki.avakot.org/

[woven sonnet]

Heya guys, does anyone know at what time does the reputation cap reset?

[barren scroll]

2PM ET, (I believe)

[ornate folio]

This is the correct rune

[woven sonnet]

Ooof, ok thanks!

[noble viper]

Does the wiki also has packs builds ?

[noble viper]

That's what i thought

[barren scroll]

No not specific builds, just all the information you need. It’s a community created project, (not from the official DE Team). The community team do a good job of keeping it up to date regularly though.

[barren scroll]

You can search up on YouTube. For builds, then see which ones suits you. This is probably the best way to search for one if you want one specific

[noble viper]

i was looking for a builds website mostly recommndation on where to spend skill points on packs

[barren scroll]

Invest points into the pact skills which your weapons are attuned to. If you are using magick weapons they most likely will be attuned to spirit. If you use a sword and shield, courage for example.

Just look at what the symbol next to the weapon description is attuned to.

[barren scroll]

Why’s your current idea for a build so far?

What weapon are you interested in using?

[wet portal]

there is

[vagrant kayak]

This is likely using older info, Everflame used to go on every melee weapon but has since been split into a different Rune per grip type

The flame damage Rune for Polearms is now called https://wiki.avakot.org/Torcheternal

It also does not drop from Discharged Nimrod but instead from Kabocha and Gourdo, the corrupt Sproutfolk bosses in Wevetwood and Neathuns

[dawn arrow]

Would you choose this for polearms or the 4 projectiles ones? This one gives additional attack totem which is really nice

[somber haven]

@barren scroll apparently my game bugs out when I log out from an account in open world to an account with no progress, and it fix itself after I reinstalled the game

[vagrant kayak]

Both have their place I'd say, I prefer Splitbolt because it enables a unique mechanic, while Torcheternal is "only" extra damage, but if you're not a throwing build Torcheternal is nice extra damage

[open sail]

It’s normally 7pm unless something changed. ?? This is for east coast USA

[smoky crater]

it's UTC+0 00:00 anyway

[foggy skiff]

is it just me or the greatsword just have one slash attack?

[smoky crater]

wdym? it's all slashing attacks
except for the running light attack and the first hit of the... parry riposte i think it was? or the staggered finisher? i can't remember ._.

[dusky trench]

[long grove]

yeah the parry. love the hilt smash on that.

[round swan]

was there a change to wevet tree seeds? yesterday I got 5. I thought "wow, lucky me" I thought max you could get was 3. This morning, I got 5 again and inventory only showed 5. Is it 5 a day dropping now and max you can hold is 5?

[long grove]

max is 100, and when you pick them up it shows a running total. you can only pick up 1-3 every 12 hours.

so if you used 1 yesterday, and picked up 1 today it still would show your cumulative total as 5 when you pick up

[round swan]

ah, ok. thanks for the info @long grove

[long grove]

npnp!

[round swan]

those are big help when travelling back and forth from faction house to NE to grind out those points. I am trying to get the Ode Tempest class before swapping to another faction. I am close. I think one more reset oughta do it.

[hardy wolf]

You can also go to base, play music emote, cancel confirmation to travel to Eternium and then go back to the overworld you will be near the 3 faction bases. Handy if you're milling around NE area for max XP and dont want to waste a seed.

[spare badge]

Not yet, but they're going ot have a new feature that has guides, which may include some suggested pact builds.

[latent prism]

Man I deconstructed juniper back when bows weren’t great and I had no idea that was an irreversible decision lmao

[finite stone]

Guides is already out! https://wiki.avakot.org/Guides Everyone is welcome to start creating your own guides, including builds if you want 😄

[muted lily]

Does the Cogah mode bosses also drop normal loot?

[spare badge]

Cool.

[spare badge]

Yep.

Too many times, I've thought maybe I got a cogah rune, turned out ot be the non-cogah one.

[muted lily]

the fragments also drop?

[spare badge]

I think so? I honestly don't pay attention to fragments unless it's something that just never seems to drop.

The V-stag dropping a dupe fragment of royal tines is the kinda thing I notice. The stuff that Ruthos might drop, eh, I've had that for a long time, except for his rune, which took around 110 or so kills to get.

[long grove]

they do not, just runes and talismans

[muted lily]

Did 5 Cogah boss runs and it feels like it only drops runes

[spare badge]

Ruthos is the first one I got to drop a rune. over 100 cogah boss kills. Then 2 others dropped cogah runes in the same kill session. Still have a few cogah runes that just won't drop for me. Might give up on those for now and see if DE fixes the RNG.

[finite root]

hey guys, just a question, my friend and I played yesterday and we did some quest in my group today we recconect and he got one of the quest we did that is still there in solo, is this normal ? sorry for my english

[visual radish]

Normal but not intended

Quests can be very buggy in multiplayer

It's why us players recommend that you don't do quests in multiplayer because right now they can break easily

[finite root]

oh okay, thx for your quick answer

[fallen orchid]

I wonder how many wyld versions of pacts will be released with launch🤔

[trim oriole]

Probably 1

Possibly none

[keen river]

well, next in line should be either wyld tempest or wyld rood, one of em will (probably) be the next "prime access" once the founders packs go away

and if the founders packs go away on launch, then we'd have a total of 4 wylds at launch; if they go away before launch, who knows

[dawn arrow]

once we killed MK and he didnt drop a mushroom to loot. feels bad

[hexed flicker]

one dot in healheart and a weapon with the +4% life drain joinery basically means your smite is up as long as there are enemies

[long grove]

probably gonna build a buffer first before we see the next wylds. theres like 14 non prime frames at any time, for example.

[merry tapir]

Hello, I play exclusively on a controller, I would like to know what are the controller settings in this game? Is it possible to adjust the camera speed, dead zones, buttons mapping etc ?

[languid escarp]

yes

it plays good on controller imo, lots of settings to tweak

[edgy vortex]

They should be right next to the mouse and keyboard settings in the menu when you plug one in

[dawn arrow]

Not flexing and I am kinda new, but i got the 7 out 8 runes in 1 cogah run [multiple circles], probably would be 8 but i wasnt doing the spider, he kills me quickly. I left him for last but died when attempted lol

i thought it was generous

[edgy vortex]

grrrrrr how dare you have better luck than me

[languid escarp]

flyblades are great for the spiders, slows them to a stop

with the slow enemies totem

[maiden kite]

Is there a difference between effects that say they reduce armor and ones that say remove? Do they stack from the same source, if now do they stack from different sources?

[long grove]

no, afaik it resets. like if you hit an enemy with a reduce by 9, then had a totem with reduce armor by 30 on a pull smite, it'd just be 30. I think the only one that might stack with those effects are the heavy attack ones.

[smoky crater]

woulda thunk the "reduce" would be temporary and "remove" would be permanent

[mystic sedge]

I would also bet that Armor Shred and Armor Steal (bromius) both stack

[dawn arrow]

There is a magick totem that gives +10 damage +10 damage primary cast, is it any good and what do they mean by primary cast, LMB?

[mystic sedge]

Primary cast is just light attack afaik

[smoky crater]

then again what would be the point of temporary reduction if you can make it permanent i guess

[mystic sedge]

We could really use some debuff indicators on the UI. And/or buff indicators for armor steal

[sly escarp]

We have SOME debuff/Buff indicators, but not very many

More would be good

[spare badge]

That's having insane luck.

[west meadow]

The drop rate for river pearls is rediculous

I’ve been playing for the past 5 days solely focused on finding them

Only to get 10

And none from bosses

4 from avakot

I understand engagement to keep playing and all that

But at this rate it’s pushing me away

D.E. Please adjust river pearl drops

Please

ESPECIALLY since the game is currently behind a 100 dollar pay gate

[frigid spoke]

It's a free game

no gating

[west meadow]

Not right now

Founders pack/ luck is needed

[frigid spoke]

It most definitely is

[long grove]

it's not behind a pay gate, just an option. invites are sent every Wednesday, and they give keys to anyone who watches stream

[silver violet]

You can sign up for keys, watch twitch streams, find em anywhere…how is it paygated?

[west meadow]

Still reduculously low drop rate even if that point is invalid

[edgy vortex]

You must pay with your soul and being

[dire helm]

Watch streams for keys -- they should be having one this week I think. (not luck, just keep an eye out)
Get keys from friends / weekly distribution from signup (which is luck)
Cheapest founders packs come with keys, which are $30USD, not $100USD.

[edgy vortex]

You find them on the river tho

[west meadow]

Im already in the game

[edgy vortex]

Have you been looking on the river

[west meadow]

Yes

[arctic cedar]

I somehow got to 54 pearls now, I think maybe in cogah drop rate is better

[west meadow]

And level 3 bounties

[frigid spoke]

I just logged in to find a pearl either at a river or a boss n look here lol

[edgy vortex]

You shouldnt be doing bounties for them

[arctic cedar]

But it was pain to get pearls when I started ngl

[edgy vortex]

Clear a river and then relog for more

[silver violet]

Rngesus is not your friend for Pearls, had the same when i needed to farm em, now i have 59+ when not needing em anymore and it drops fron all sources

[long grove]

best passively farmed doing bosses an tales since you gotta farm those anyway, actively farming them by rivers is detrimental

[west meadow]

I only need 5

It shouldn’t be this dumb

Pre adjusted Octavia drops were better at this point

[arctic cedar]

Farming them by the river is just a waste of time atm

[frigid spoke]

It's not a finished game, can't treat it l;ike everything is going to work. The drops/spawn has changed. It's mixed in with the flowers also. Pick everything so something else can spawn. Don't get mad at a pre-alpha game. Put in suggestions in the feedback page or maybe the game at this point in time isn't for you.

[west meadow]

I feel like I’m crossing my fingers for the soulframe equivalent of a legendary core with how long I’ve been trying to get just this stuff

It’s opened to prealpha specifically for the feedback

It won’t change if no one mentions it

[left tangle]

cross your fingers it's just to pad the current lack of content and not because it's being designed by the WF devs from the before times...

[west meadow]

Or both

I genuinely think it’s both at this point

[smoky crater]

yall think this water's just magically slowed down in time just for this spot or it's some other magic?

[long grove]

fey magics

[left tangle]

probably, the fact that it's currently just another mastery fodder game seems to point that way.

[west meadow]

I’ve been picking up everything. Nothing but specifically pearl spawns have given me pearls

That and avakot

I don’t mind supporting a game i am enjoying. But the current direction of both these games make the grind feel point less for compete different reasons

Warframe because anything that is not just a fancy number or title will eventually be available to you with little investment screwing over those who have invested a lot of time

[left tangle]

It's also funny that people point that it's just a "pre-alpha" game when warframe is a 13 year old game in beta.

[west meadow]

Soulframe because currently it’s just pointless to try and grind anything

[long grove]

hardly say little investment at all

[west meadow]

Steel path before new war

Arbitration before steel path

[left tangle]

if it makes you feel any better, I don't think any pacts feel particularly good to play. idk if anything else requires river pearls to craft, but you're not missing much if you never craft the pacts.

[west meadow]

Being able to straight up buy helminth segments

[long grove]

it's just pearls. there's plenty of boss grinds. there's always gonna be a rare resource. you could finish bosses and cogah runes. not saying it spawning naturally doesn't need to be a bit buffed, cuz it does. but there's plenty to do that also passively gives you them, while progressing you in other areas too.

[long grove]

none of those sound like little investments though.

[arctic cedar]

Well is it the lack of pearls or lack of quick gratification tbh

[west meadow]

They are compared to the size of the game

[arctic cedar]

Because sure it can take some time to get pearls but I don't think it's so dramatic

[long grove]

anything can be compared like that and seem small tho

[west meadow]

If you focus solely on getting to steel path. The new war quest line will take you longer than unlocking steel path and arbitration.

Vs having to complete everything

Before the change

It’s starting to feel like they want you to hand them their bag and leave

Not actually stick around

[long grove]

I wouldn't say it's that big of a deal, because people are still gonna have to do every node anyway if they want mastery. and just having access doesn't imply proficiency. the wall of having to do everything for what's pretty much become the base way to play the game is definitely a bit much.

[arctic cedar]

It didn't feel like this to me at all

[long grove]

before it made sense, a little. but nowadays steel path is just like... the normal game now

[arctic cedar]

I guess I have more patience

[west meadow]

Steel path was supposed to be new game plus

[long grove]

well pearls spawn rate naturally along water does need a buff, true. but it's probably still gonna be a rare resource.

[west meadow]

I don’t mind it being rare but again I’ve been focused on finding them for 5 irl days and still only found 10 total with 4 coming from avakot

[long grove]

steel path was always just hard mode tho, from the start with the bonus' it became defacto in resource farming over anything

[west meadow]

That averages to 2 a day

[frigid spoke]

Took me two weeks to get all the parts (2) for gathannan

[long grove]

I gotchu, its more than likely to be addressed. that's why I just suggest focus on farms that revolve around bosses/cogah bosses cuz the drop rate isn't that bad from those, and you get to complete alternate grinds from weapons, armor, and runes

[frigid spoke]

You could be doing faction tales tier 3 n get points to buy 8 pearls at a time

[west meadow]

I just got off after doing 4 and getting 0

[frigid spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long grove]

they mean spending rep to buy pearls from the faction store, there

[latent prism]

Is there a material difference with the wyld pacts in terms of gameplay?

[long grove]

you can buy 4 or 8 depending on which one you buy, and what rank you are I believe

[frigid spoke]

2, 4, 8

[long grove]

wyld has slightly higher base virtues, and their upgrade tree is hated with the base version letting you have 60 points

[frigid spoke]

think it's ranks 3,4,5

[west meadow]

Does this game have the stupid daily affinity cap too?

[long grove]

16k

that won't change either. caps prevent markets flooding and letting people with more time devalue what's available.

[west meadow]

There is no market yet?

[latent prism]

That’s a bummer

[west meadow]

And max resource caps can prevent that

[long grove]

whys that? if it's because you don't wanna buy them right now,they'll be available for everyone later

[latent prism]

Ohhh I didn’t realize that ok

[full hearth]

No cap on affinity
Enclave standing is currently capped to 16000 a day

[fresh basalt]

lvl3 silent rose and im already dying inside to grind reputation

[latent prism]

Thought they would always be a MTX

[west meadow]

Standing is what I meant

It’s a bit sad to hear this game gets that too

[long grove]

that is hardly different from a daily cap

[west meadow]

No it is

Cuz if you sell em off

You still gotta go get more

It doesn’t prevent you from getting more

Like a daily cap

[long grove]

yeah, it's about supporting a market. resources arent traded, but like weapons, mods, arcanes

[west meadow]

Again

There is no market

Not on soulframe

[long grove]

there will be, thats why they are the way they are

system works, don't need to break it

[west meadow]

Then do it whe there is

Like why rate limit for something Thats not even implemented

And likely won’t be for a long time

[long grove]

you're still creating a situation where a huge gap can be built. it's not just about day to day trading, but long term.

[west meadow]

So they don’t want you to play long term

[long grove]

this way there's a gap that rewards active players, but isn't so out of control it's about balancing players with less time vs more.

[west meadow]

That defeats the purpose of driving engagement

If you want people to play stop removing reasons to because they played too long

If they wanna keep farming cool Thats someone who’s more likely to buy other things from you

Rather than feel punished for engaging

[long grove]

how is that so? you can still grind and build yourself every day, for example. someone who gets to play twice a week shouldn't have to sell what he gets for scraps because some with time to do it all day makes a market item value crash

[west meadow]

I mean

Galvanized mods dropped hard in value for a similar reason

“It takes too long for new players to get good equipment. Let’s make it to where you can get them instantly.”

[long grove]

that's just because they were already sitting on a resource that gained new use, each time. that'd why they also keep doing new stores.

[west meadow]

100 plat mod dropped to 6 plat

What new use?

It lost its use

Everyone has em

[long grove]

when they add more galvanized to the store after already having a lot of vitus essence from grinding, it's not gonna have a lot of value because it'll be bought en masse immediately

[west meadow]

What’s the grind for now? A higher number? A fancy title?

[long grove]

galvanized crashed because it essentially got a pity system, but a lot of players already had a lot of those resources

[long grove]

if you're struggling to find that answer, take a break? there's always something to earn. Just because it's not super exclusive doesn't make it a bad grind or not worth it.

[west meadow]

What’s next ayatan pity?

[long grove]

[west meadow]

I did take a break i uninstalled when I heard

[long grove]

ig you'll be glad you got here recently instead of earning preludes honor, just to lose the "exclusivity" of it

if you're determined for things that set you apart from the rest, DE recent idealogy might not sit well with you

[west meadow]

I used to get on every day because it felt worth it. Like I could find valuables that I could trade to earn plat

Now it’s practically more cost efficient to buy platinum

Due to the sheer time investment

[mystic sedge]

I mean I think there is a lot of wisdom in saying that if you aren't getting anything out of it, just stop playing Soulframe for the time being. The game is in active development. They stated this is the year they ramp it up. But at the end of the day, it's still extremely barebones. You cannot expect whole systems. Everything is fragmented atm and all still subject to be changed/altered. They're trying to create an eco-system of interconnected mechanics. If they rush to finalize development then in the long term, these systems are going to feel way worse

[west meadow]

It’s insane how an open market game suddenly became a game where you loose less money by spending more

[left tangle]

This conversation just makes me even more worried that this game is just too much like warframe... giving me Metaphor: Re Fantazio vibes. Devs spent all this time talking about how excited they were to make a different game, only to make one trapped by all the same gameplay systems as the last one.

[west meadow]

Time spent earning money / earning plat vs buying it

[long grove]

I think it's a difference of being used to trading now vs trading then. trading chat vs warframe.market. prices getting naturalized was an inevitability, and hardly the fault of de where players set the prices.

[west meadow]

I agree

Whole reason I swapped over was I expected a different game not just dark souls with warframe downsides

[long grove]

the players set the terms on what's worth what depending on time investment, warframe having an ever growing player base this was an inevitability. can't fight the system when it's entirely the players that control it. faction caps and time investment are really just there to support prices not being 1p for everything

[west meadow]

It’s still gonna wind up being shit price when you make everything easy to obtain over time.

Starting the game with the system to prevent it then later deciding “oh hey newer players take too long to get newer things.”

Defeats the purpose

[left tangle]

I kinda wish they had just made this as a small team long term single player game/ passion project.

[long grove]

and yet, the pearls are the issue that started this...

[left tangle]

maybe it wouldn't have to be this live service thing they are struggling to fit into the themes

[west meadow]

I get the resources cannot be traded

Not in soulframe and not in warframe

[mystic sedge]

I'm not sure how all these claims are being thrown around. We don't have a market in place. I mean we don't even know if the current drop rates/drop tables will survive through launch

[long grove]

just feels like you want things gated out more, even when there's not a lot of reason for it. the changes they made for the new player experience only help, there's no reason to stick by old borders on what people can or can't do

[mystic sedge]

"Darksouls with warframe downsides" is crazy work considering this is simply not a souls game and we havent even seen the downsides of market interaction

[west meadow]

It kinda invalidates any accomplishments for veteran players

[tropic nacelle]

You can't buy most faction items excluding the 6 starting syndicates weapons in Warframe which have a value of like 15 plats for 4 days of farm so it's not correlated to prices, drop rarity of exchangeable items like arcanes or even worse with riven stats.

[long grove]

just doubly odd to hear that, especially when prisms are a topic on player freedom and the loss of it right now, to hear that there should be more things separating what people can or can't do

[smoky crater]

that's... kinda what this is tho? but in live service form? with optional co-op

[long grove]

it is. when everyone is in a faction and passively earn it every day doing whatever. its cheap for a reason

[west meadow]

Remove dark sectors, clans are too important.
Remove SP requirements,
Remove arbitration requirements.
F it remove MR requirements too

[long grove]

[mystic sedge]

Look im not against gating. But in no world do we even know what the Soulframe endgame structure will even look like. Things are open beacuse this is a test and they are wanting players to envelope in systems and provide feedback

Why are we judging Soulframe's current state to Warframes? Or even what Soulframe will look like on launch

[smoky crater]

people like comparing

[long grove]

after 13 years of playing warframe I can only say all those changes helped the new player experience, and had almost no effect on the veteran experience

[mystic sedge]

at least make the comparisons make sense is all I ask lmao

[smoky crater]

lol

[west meadow]

Because it looks like it’s going the same direction for all the wrong reasons?

[long grove]

too wound up in how others play the game versus how you do it

[mystic sedge]

How? We have no market. No indication of a market. No understanding of what will be rare. No idea of how trading will work

[spare badge]

A tall ask for many gamers.

[mystic sedge]

How do we see "the same direction"

It sounds like you came into a Soulframe chat to doom and gloom about how terrible Warframe is

[west meadow]

Daily standing caps

[long grove]

trading is definitely coming, they have talked about it

[mystic sedge]

Which like fine, its your opinion. But I'd wage most of us don't really care

[west meadow]

Obscene resource drops

[mystic sedge]

Im not saying it wont. but we have ZERO idea what it will look like

[west meadow]

Lack of tangible progress

[long grove]

farm braton and lato vandal

[left tangle]

I wish... but so far it just feels like a bare bones platform for future warframe type resource grinds. The bosses and combat systems currently present would be unacceptable in a single player action game.

[west meadow]

Im seeing a lot of comparisons

[mystic sedge]

and will these resources still be relevant to end game? will there be harder to obtain resources?

[tropic nacelle]

Oh wait I just backread this whole situation is just about market while we don't even know if we'll get a market ?

[mystic sedge]

You're looking for comparisons. That's different

[tropic nacelle]

Remarkable

[mystic sedge]

Yes, we are getting trading. Yes, this game will have an economy. But we have NO idea what it will look like

[west meadow]

You just told me there no comparisons

[mystic sedge]

And we arent even close to that point

[west meadow]

Then got mad i pointed some out

[long grove]

tbh it all started with pearls. and how they need a natural world spawn rate buff, which I believe anyone can agree one

[west meadow]

Wth

[mystic sedge]

But you didnt. You're creating false comparisons cause it fits your mental mold of "soulframe bad cause warframe bad"

[tropic nacelle]

The only thing we know of trading so far is that Founder will be able to give the blueprint for the greatsword to others, thats like the only thing we know about trading between players

[arctic cedar]

Obscene resource drops is just pearls lol

[sly escarp]

With Pearls specifically it's possible there's a bit of a bug, as they've had spawn point overlap issues with flowers and other overworld objects in the past.

Hopefully if that's the case it does get fixed

[tropic nacelle]

Nah gemstones are hell to get even with Circade but pearls can be bought with standing anyway

[west meadow]

Lack of tangible progress is made up how?

[spare badge]

Yeah. I've said before that I think the fact that the majority of spots that they can spawn in at spawn brinefloss when you log in/relog is a bug.

[civic tangle]

does anyone get this weird stuttering when allocating arts points/changing equipment

[arctic cedar]

Daily standing cap is only an issue for some who has too much free time

[tropic nacelle]

Also it's a grinding game so I don't mind pearls being rare especially when you can buy them

[long grove]

oh yeah grinding a blessed feybalt without spending rep... fun

[mystic sedge]

And even then. People who put veteran hours into this game will tell you that Pearls are not that bad to farm if you know what you're doing. Same with Moranite and the like. And AGAIN. We have ZERO idea these drop tables are balanced correctly. We dont even know if DE's radar is on balancing this stuff at the moment.

[long grove]

real. it keeps a market from crashing.

[smoky crater]

tho yes, it could be raised a bit. considering it has stayed the same since we first got factions where you'd get 100 rep per tale.

[tropic nacelle]

Tbh farming gemstones in Circade is almost fun

[mystic sedge]

It's crazy to approach daily standing cap with the assumption the system is finished

[long grove]

it is, I like it

[arctic cedar]

As I said before doesn't sound like a problem with a game to me but like a problem with lack of instant gratification that someone expects

[spare badge]

Nothing wrong with markets crashing. Affordable items for everyone.

[long grove]

wish circade crypts were a bit larger if anything

[mystic sedge]

These systems aren't finished/fleshed out fully until DE says they are

[tropic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[sly escarp]

Okay, sounds like there's some disagreement going on here, let's make sure to keep it civil please folks.

[tropic nacelle]

People already using speculation economics for a market that is yet to exist

[west meadow]

The market crashes anyway when you remove value from what you’re allowed to sell

[long grove]

well it means those with less time would have to spend significantly more time just to keep up with people who can't. a market itself yeah everything can be cheap, people farming to save for heirlooms will have no fun at all whatsoever.

[west meadow]

Like warframe does constantly

[mystic sedge]

We dont even know what will be valuable by the time the market releases

[arctic cedar]

There is no market what is this even about

We have tutorial island that isn't even finished

[spare badge]

Eh. People like speculating. It happens now and then.

[mystic sedge]

Give DE room to breathe and grow the game. Judge the game based on it's launch state or AT LEAST it's beta state. Instead of coming into an Alpha discord saying how the game is DoA

[arctic cedar]

With that said tutorial island gave me almost 2 months of fun gameplay they was satisfying, for free and I am excited to see how the game develops

[west meadow]

Technically warframe still hasn’t launched officially

[left tangle]

tbf three years is a long time for how little there is in soulframe.

[smoky crater]

nnnnnnnot allowed. we must judge it now and sentence it to (insert some harsh/horrible thing here i guess)

[mystic sedge]

even entertaining how hollow this argument is.... there is a massive difference between pre-alpha/alpha and Early Access

[smoky crater]

the team has had to help Warframe on multiple occasions during that.

[spare badge]

Alternatively, don't feed the trolls. There's always some people trolling about the game being DOA.

[left tangle]

I remember playing Baldur's gate 3 in 2020 when it was only 3 years in development and yeah... it's not even close.

[west meadow]

Im not trying to say it’s dead on arrival. Im just seeing some similarities that are concerning

[mystic sedge]

completely different teams, situations, tools on top of a ton of knowledge in the backend side of development none of us knows about

[smoky crater]

[sly escarp]

Okay, sounds like it might be time for everyone to take a break. If you have feedback for the game, it may be better taken to #1438224662344761345 , but this is leading to some high emotions so it may be time to move on.

[arctic cedar]

Umm you named one drop which is pearls

[west meadow]

I mentioned other reasons

[arctic cedar]

There are two others gathannan prolly hugged and dewelion

Well you generalize heavily and it's not very fair

[west meadow]

And yall dismiss heavily whats your point?

[sly escarp]

Okay, perhaps I need to be clearer. Drop it. Now.

That goes for everyone.

[spare badge]

PSA: Don't forget to pet/hug your wolf pup.

[west meadow]

Is there any point to the wolf pup rn?

[mystic sedge]

Mounts amirite

(dont attack me)

[sly escarp]

Pup is meant to be a mount later but the systems for affection and stuff around it are still not ready, is what it sounds like.

[mystic sedge]

There is not. Mounts coming later this year. Pup will factor in

[spare badge]

Eventual mount system. Currently, the narrative is that the pup is our adopted kid, serving as the ancor of our blood pact with Orengall.

[west meadow]

dna stability flashbacks

[sly escarp]

Unlikely, it seems they just want to have some progression around Mounts.

Doubt they'd kill your wolfy

[left tangle]

pup flushed into the vacuum of nightfold confirmed.

[sly escarp]

Game is too pro-animal and kind to nature

They don't even let you kill the mind controlled puppers the Ode use

[west meadow]

The whole floor just swirls like a big toilet bowl if you don’t pay enough attention and he goes back to mama

[arctic cedar]

I love that tbh

[spare badge]

Indeed. In WF they even got rid of the pets temporarily dying. Now they just get downed/koed for a bit then get back up.

[long grove]

not just the temporary death either

yall remember DNA stabilizers

[west meadow]

Temporarily?

Oh hun you musta missed the old days

[spare badge]

They could die in missions, then be fine in the orbiter. You just lost use of them till the next mission.

[west meadow]

You used to have them actually die if it happened too much

[maiden kite]

Since shields don't have a +parry window upgrade node, does this mean they have a bigger parry by defaut?

[long grove]

or ignored them too long

[west meadow]

Pupsicle in the vacuum of space

[sly escarp]

Anyways, point being, maybe at worst you'd get a small pupper again if you neglect them

No pup death allowed

[west meadow]

Anymore

[shell smelt]

Neglect system in-game would be insane lmao

[long grove]

the lack of stabilizers made me think they just turned to goo

[sly escarp]

*in Soulframe, sorry, should have been clearer

[west meadow]

Heheh

[long grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153013372820934716/1430644571058077859/captioned_meme.gif

[west meadow]

True

[left tangle]

I think that was the implication, ordis said he vented them into space, so that's what I aways pictured.

[spare badge]

Which wasn't a thing by the time I started playing, about 7 years ago... You need to look at how WF is now if you wanna see where SF might be going. Outdated systems/info is likely not goinna be retread.

[shell smelt]

they gotta make combat better tbh should be their focus, more combos, more variety

[long grove]

working on it. this is a very early stage of development.

[west meadow]

It’s being made by the team that worked on the old days

[left tangle]

I think they are still trying to decide what game this is supposed to be.

[west meadow]

Warframe now is a different team

[shell smelt]

you're prob right

[sly escarp]

Warframe and Soulframe will share code/tech where applicable and elsewhere will have custom scripts and systems. Character customization, for example, is being shared in terms of new tech.

[wet portal]

do you literally mean the old days

[west meadow]

Yea

The old days of warframe

[wet portal]

they don't want another duiviri disaster

[long grove]

People keep saying that, but it's not like they've learned nothing. just because they're making a new game with the old team doesn't mean the same product.

[wet portal]

oraxia mat farm is abysmal

[west meadow]

Like back when the orbiter was little more than a black screen with the solar system on it and lotus could curse

[wet portal]

asw as incarnon mats

torture, absolute torture

[left tangle]

they are making a lot of old mistakes I saw back in 2012 when my starter was freaking loki...

[shell smelt]

Steve has a million good ideas but trouble focusing on important systems, hopefully he can reign himself in with this. Was very evident when they made Reb lead in Warframe

[spare badge]

The WF and SF teams aren't completely seperated. There's people who work on both games.

[wet portal]

yeah pretty sure they're also physically within proximity cos same building i believe

[west meadow]

I still wonder why lotus used to swear

[long grove]

think we're correlating mistakes to early implementations of systems

[wet portal]

natah had a potty moth

[spare badge]

Art imititaing life?

[west meadow]

This was before natah was even a thought

[mystic sedge]

Developers evolve and games evolve. I think i'd be a mistake to assume a lot about Soulframe until we see systems get cemented more

[west meadow]

“Get the hell out of there”