gameplay-discussion

[left tangle]

How small is the team working on Soulframe within DE?

[barren scroll]

Am I being ridiclous.. I crafted 4 potions with verminia to level her to level 2, however she is still only on 1 and a half? Maybe there is something I dont know regarding this?

[vagrant kayak]

I don't think she has a level 2? Or does she start at 1

[barren scroll]

I thought level 2 is the requirement for the cogah potion?

🤨

[vagrant kayak]

It's rank up, I don't remember if it's 0 to 1 or 1 to 2

May be 1 to 2

[barren scroll]

My level is currently 1 and a half so surely its 2..

Im lost here.. xD

[round swan]

pretty sure you only get exp the first time u craft a potion.

[vagrant kayak]

Probably is then, may need to make unique crafts

[barren scroll]

Oh okay.

[vagrant kayak]

The dye packs do also give XP, as does Cloudquell IIRC

[barren scroll]

Ah good to know!

[barren scroll]

Where do you get them from?

[round swan]

get a color palet from your faction, that counts

[brittle nacelle]

hues and the virtue increase potions are from factions

[barren scroll]

Awesome! I will give that a try ❤️

[brittle nacelle]

think if you make couldquell the potion and hue from one faction it will be enough

or at least I'd hope so cuz if you need to swap faction for cogah it's be kinda weird imo

[barren scroll]

Perfect thankyou, I will give that a shot.

[dawn arrow]

I have some but didnt know how to use them, are they consumables?

[brittle nacelle]

those give you another color scheme to dye your armour with

[vagrant kayak]

You craft them at Verminia, gotta collect a bunch of flowers and mushrooms

Only a one time craft though, once you've made them you unlock the colors forever

[dawn arrow]

ahh perfect thanks for letting me know

[iron compass]

can anyone help me find an arena

i cannot find the location on the map

[dawn arrow]

I have a silly question regarding fragments, lets say i have 4 and the craft requires 2, if i craft will I have 2 remaining? In another words everytime I want to craft multiple of the same item, do i need to get fragments again?

[brittle nacelle]

it's one of the tiles in the glades dungeon, look for a large open room with a stag statue in the middle

and it's not gtd to spawn every time you enter the glades so you might be looking for a while

[vagrant kayak]

You will have 2 remaining, and yes you would need to get more fragments if you wanted duplicates of weapons

There isn't really a reason to have duplicates of weapons though, as Totems and Runes can be swapped freely, and attunement can be added by just applying a Blessed Joinery (though you will need to re-level the weapon)

[dawn arrow]

Maybe they add trading in the future? So shall i save or just sell ?

[vagrant kayak]

Can't sell fragments at the moment, you can sell extra weapons which is mostly to free up inventory slots once you've fully levelled stuff you know you're not gonna use

[wind hearth]

anyone know why my faction is stuck max lvl 1? I went to the hideout to rank up

[vagrant kayak]

A relog may help

[wind hearth]

I tried, still showsmax with 5500/5000 xp

[dawn arrow]

Regarding Joinery, does applying any joinery reset level or only the blessed?

[vagrant kayak]

Only Blessed resets level, it can also only be applied at level 30, the others can be applied at any time

[fallen summit]

hey does anyone have a spare code for me so i can play?

[vagrant kayak]

Hmm, strange, are Tales spawning outside? If you complete one does it add standing?

[iron compass]

i still cannot find the arena T-T i found a round room with stags but rotating it just opened a door which seems to lead to an exit

[stone root]

i also struggled to find it back when i was playing :(

[hexed flicker]

It's pretty rare. I think I've seen it once in like 20-30 glades runs (was hunting brass). Looks like a big wide open sludge field with a statue in the middle.

[wraith badge]

I finally got to my final weapon mastery checklist and I'm on greatswords.
I uh.

I expected them to be slow but anyone else feel like they are too slow? They feel really clunky and unresponsive.
I can block and it still takes a good half second or longer just to block during combat.

Feels like there's meant to be a tradeoff but I'm not feeling the tradeoff positives

Unless Needleseye is bad on purpose? Saving Paragon for last.

[left tangle]

A lot of the combat specially melee still feels floaty and unresponsive. Hopefully p13 does something.

I feel like it won’t be fixed until they let us turn the auto targeting completely off and fix whatever makes characters skate around in this engine

[long grove]

yeah, there are some delays and such that'll hopefully be addressed in p13.

[ebon wraith]

what i really hope is they balance enemy stagger...when playing melee its horrible

[long grove]

if you missed it, here's a timestamped for what they describe for those upcoming changes https://www.youtube.com/live/8VBPQdbrxKI?si=Kuklr5berlWTNLgi&t=1838

[limpid elm]

this

[left tangle]

Still no way to turn soft lock entirely off then… maybe prelude 14

Until then, bow it is lol

[ebon wraith]

my cheeks kiss the ground so much everytime i play melee i cosplay bromius first ability lol

[long grove]

been asking since 1.2.... one day

[wraith badge]

I guess it's also noticable because I went from Sword & Shield which felt like the most responsive and fluid melee type, to Greatswords the difference is more noticable.

[long grove]

I end up having to cancel the animation it takes when I stop swinging by moving, tapping sprint or whatever, just so I can parry in time with gs

[left tangle]

I hope if they fix the floatyness they take back to warframe. That game has a similar thing were it always feels like were ice skating.

[long grove]

wild how used I am to it in its current state, greatsword is the one I'm most excited to play in p13

[slim cloak]

joined this pretty early, is it at a good point to start playing? or should I wait a couple more updates

[long grove]

it's a good place to start, I'd say. no more wipes either.

that opinion will vary from person to person tho, try it out for an hour and get a feel if it's for you right now

[slim cloak]

thank you!

[left tangle]

I would say start playing if you wanna be part of the process of DE figuring out what the game IS. Not so much if you wanna play a clear vision yet.

[wraith badge]

I might just hold off on using Greatswords until p13 then.

It feels like I'm hitting things with a nerf sword, enemies don't react to being hit by a giant slab of metal, and throwing the thing has no effect either

but sword and shield is enough to guarantee enemies fall to the floor when thrown

Not to say being hit with a shield flying at your face isn't enough to knock someone down and stun them, but a sword the same size as a person probably should have some noticable effect.

[left tangle]

Yeah enemy reactions need a bit of work too. The fire from runes come to mind.

[unreal roost]

heyoo, anyone have a suggestion on where to farm the mockery weapons?

[long grove]

I do. go to thrice on his overworld location. kill anything there, then log out and back in. you'll spawn near it, go back and kill the mockeries there.

[unreal roost]

you choose the two there over the crypt by kearnhold?

[wraith badge]

I don't mind that one too much, it's satisfying to pull an enemies soul out, and then hit them with the buff during their stun.

[long grove]

just just the one ne of learn and nw of vella

the boss won't respawn when you relog ofc, but there will always be mockeries there

just a short walk back to kill em again

[unreal roost]

fair fair, ill give it a shot ty

[limpid lily]

guys i dont understand the game, everything is open and i dont know what to do lmao

im e

[long grove]

I suggest continuing to play your fables first. 4th tab down in your journal.

it'll help you understand a bit more and unlock almost all you need to have your start. don't be afraid to ask in game of you need help doing something either.

[dawn arrow]

Following the bird [Pressing G] helped me alot in the beginning

Just came to my attention, the prelude is only in US servers right?

[smoky crater]

what servers?

players host their own sessions and multiplayer sessions are peer to peer

[wanton pulsar]

I wonder if Preludes 13 will release tomorrow.

[dawn arrow]

Oh i got confused because the game is in a rerouting application to lower ping

[smoky crater]

you literally couldn't get a lower ping while playing solo even if you wanted to

[oblique granite]

We can only dream

[long grove]

at the very latest Wednesday I hope, it definitely won't be on a Friday at least

[shut schooner]

Hey guys, I’m new to Souldframe only joined after the latest Twitch stream so still learning. I’m from New Zealand. I’m sorry if this has been asked a million times before but regarding Riverpearls. What is main way to get them now? Before I seen it was to run the rivers but I’ve only managed to find 3 doing that. Is there any other primary way or is it just a case of keep grinding for hours

[frigid spoke]

rivers n t3 bosses

[long grove]

pearls are best earned passively from killing bosses and doing tales. you can actively search rivers and bogs, but they are very rare. least as you are grinding out gear from bosses, you have chances to get pearls.

[frigid spoke]

the vendor avakot occasionally sells em also

[drifting cape]

your faction

oh. mb lol

[fallen karma]

Did we get an update yet?

[smoky crater]

no

you'll be pinged in #soulframe-news when there is one

[visual shuttle]

#halp
Trying to figure out best bang-for-buck / FOMO on Joineries

Should we:
A - keep them for p13
or
B - burn the best ones to get alternate versions of our favorite weapons before they're gone?
or C, I'm asking the wrong question 😅
Searched and didn't really see the 'do this before patch' logic I'm thinking 😬

[drifting cape]

huh? afaik they never said anything about removing joineries

idk why they would

[smoky crater]

they didn't 👀

[halcyon thicket]

blessed joineries will not alter weapon attunement, that's the change

[late wave]

im pretty sure they mentioned that they would be changing in how they work

[drifting cape]

oh, that. i mean i doubt you're gonna be able to keep a changed weapon

[sly escarp]

Shift from overwriting Attunements to just adding a new attunement pip iirc

[smoky crater]

yuh

[sly escarp]

So likely the effect will be retroactive to all weapons with joineries applied as is

[drifting cape]

i'd assume itll just revert to its original attunement

[smoky crater]

that would make the most sense

[brittle nacelle]

wait if they don't change the attunement what would be the point of blessed over polished/

[drifting cape]

they will

[halcyon thicket]

blessed joinery will scale the weapon better with it's virtue

[sly escarp]

Basically, anything with a Blessed will get the extra pip and go back to its base attunement on release of the update, likely.

[drifting cape]

but it'll add an extra pip instead of overwriting the original pips

[brittle nacelle]

oh missed naito's message lol

[drifting cape]

so if you have a couraged blessed staff or something, itll go from 2 courage pips to 2 spirit + 1 courage

[brittle nacelle]

would be funny if my odiac with a blessed for spirit ferbalt will just lose the virtue scaling as a bug

[visual shuttle]

Do the pips still add value or is it just 'this was that' / history stuff?

[sly escarp]

They didn't mention anything about removing scaling rarities

[drifting cape]

id def save any blessed joineries since we're a mere days away

[visual shuttle]

Have they overwritten / removed stuff from inventories before? I guess I may have taken the 'you get to keep your progress' stuff too strictly

[brittle nacelle]

yeah, the motes when they were replaced with runes and totems

but the old joineries from p10 are also still in our inv rn if you had them too, so some you get to keep as a shinny rare thing that does nothing and some are removed if the system around them change

[sly escarp]

Also technically Runes when they swapped from Archetype to Grip based runes

[visual shuttle]

Ahh, interesting. I only started playing a few months ago

[sly escarp]

But in that case they ran a script that just issued your the grip runes for any Archetype runes you had already earned.

[brittle nacelle]

right I forgot about that rune change too

[visual shuttle]

So. No need to burn resources, they'll likely just remove any 'was courage, now spirit' type weapons from our inventories?

[brittle nacelle]

no they probably won't remove the weapon, just the affect of the joinery will change

to bring up the old joineries again, any weapon that had them on now just has the joinery with the affect of the joinery being nothing at all

[sly escarp]

Nah, the weapon will just go back to what it was and get the new Joinery pip

[sly escarp]

likely to avoid null ref errors imo, otherwise they'd just remove them.

[brittle nacelle]

hey I take those, it's a cool collectable for now

[sly escarp]

At a guess they might have a jard time flipping all the switches to un-joinery reforged gear.

And so they have to leave the old ones in until they find a way to clean em up

[brittle nacelle]

tho I seriously hope they are brought back as a joinery from a corrupted fey boss or something later on cuz the names on those are so freaking cool

[hollow matrix]

Hey ppl, I wish to test the game, any way to get a fast invite ?

[visual shuttle]

A bit disappointing for that 'oooh old broken stuff' collection, but good to know. Thank you for the info, you've saved at least a few of us newer types grinding only to be sad later 🤣

[smoky crater]

fastest way, buy a founders pack.
second fastest way, watch the stream on the 10th
3rd fastest and least likely way, get invited via one of the 2000 invites they send out on wednesdays

[sly escarp]

#envoy-gathering message

[hollow matrix]

Thanks for the answer guys ❤️

[real terrace]

Didn't older players get a unique talisman due to server wipes from an interlude change?

[sly escarp]

Yes, coming back next Preludes for everyone

[real terrace]

Bummer thought y'all would get to have a badge of Honor

[smoky crater]

oh the duality...

[lone crest]

Is there any part of the game currently that really encourages grouping up or automatically groups you up? so far ive felt like ive been playing a single player open world rpg except i can talk to other people also playing the game if i feel like it

[brittle nacelle]

If it was just removed from the compandium I'm p sure most people wouldn't care anymore

[smoky crater]

not really no atm

[sly escarp]

You can group up, but there's no matchmaking and all content can be done solo

This is somewhat intentional

[smoky crater]

it is mainly solo with optional co-op

[sly escarp]

To my understanding

[smoky crater]

ya

[lone crest]

okay thats fair

[smoky crater]

oh 100%

[brittle nacelle]

You can get more loot by grouping and sharing bosses but that's the only real "encouragement" for grouping

At least imo

[lone crest]

fair
though i noticed the bosses do respawn quick enough i can kinda go between a loop of activities to get loot from different sources and eventually come back to the boss once they've respawned

[brittle nacelle]

I mean sure those who are currently complaining about it would still be annoyed but most of the support from the general player base would vanish, the talisman isn't any better than currently available ones and personally I barely see the talisman on people

[smoky crater]

ye i mean those who are complaining about it are mainly the like... 5 completionists who just want everything

just being.... VERY Loud

[brittle nacelle]

Yeah, now that boss cd was reduced the grouping and sharing is mostly for when you got one thing left to farm for or for stags thst can be tricky to find otherwise

[lone crest]

oh i didnt know they got reduced i just got a code recently from a dev stream

good change i think

its long enough to encourage someone to go and explore but short enough that grinding is pretty reasonable

[full hearth]

That was my suggestion as well back during the great Prelude Honour wars. Dangling that empty slot in front of everyone was a weird decision.

Now it makes more sense with the new direction from Devstream 12 though

[long grove]

wouldn't say it's new, they're still reeling from excal prime. and mag and frost heirloom put the final nail on that coffin. they've become verrryy anti exclusive, and it it is good

[full hearth]

I mean, it's a new direction from what their original was with the mote & later talisman.

[lone crest]

i pointed out to my friends the differences with the founders compared to warframe founders and they were all for it.

Definitely a good move

was funny though imagining a warframe founder player giving me an excal prime but the excal prime had the founder's username on their forehead

would be good though
id totally take that over no excal prime a million times over

[long grove]

can't mistake intent behind it, they never promised either were gonna be exclusive forever.

[sly escarp]

Okay, killing this topic now, it has a LONG history of getting way too toxic, so nipping it in the bud for everyone's sakes.

[smoky crater]

wow, damn ok

[full hearth]

Sorry, but i'm going to add evidence because the intent was very much not mistaken. Evidence removed.

But i will say nothing more on the matter.

[sly escarp]

Regardless of correctness, this topic is not leading anywhere helpful. Drop it.

[full hearth]

Already did

[half shard]

I'm desperately looking for a key to play the game my friend plays...

Let me play! :'ç

[full hearth]

Watch the Envoy Hour on Twitch, February 10th.

[half shard]

Do you know if there are any active drops or not?

[full hearth]

Feb. 10th.

[sly escarp]

Not currently, but there's one next Tuesday!

[simple prism]

@half shard code sent

[burnt kayak]

<@&1154466146741932193>

[left magnet]

apparently enemies can interrupt your game of regatta, even when you're playing solo :(

[swift dust]

Helloooooo ! I'm looking to play, I need a key to join my friends' games...plz

[finite stone]

Nah not a bummer. Don't really want a badge separating some pre-alpha testers from other pre-alpha testers for the sake of it, much happier knowing new players won't be put off by an unobtainable item!

[opal trail]

on the one hand, fair, on the other, it's always cool seeing an excal prime in warframe

[sterile fulcrum]

I played this a little and found this a bit boring and tedious

Shame I couldn't get a refund.

[finite stone]

That's founders, not a reset thing

[long grove]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-michelangelo-woah-bummer-bummer-that-sucks-gif-23417843

[sterile fulcrum]

Yes you can ditch the sarcasm. Waste of money.

[long grove]

i don't think i will, but thanks for supporting the game though!

[hexed spoke]

You do know it's not being sold as a game but for people who want to support the game in its current stage right?

[simple prism]

@marky8586 go back to call of duty then.

[unreal roost]

bruh I sware mockery drops are glitched. 1 hour of pickpocketing 5 at a time and 0 drops for weapons

[long grove]

just rng, took me more than 1 hour to just get stultin.

took me like 4, and i was only after 1 fragment at the time.

[unreal roost]

sounds about right. Thats a painfully low drop rate lol

[long grove]

you get extra credit too, i completely forgot about sirin when i was after it... silly me.

[unreal roost]

3 relogs of killing and I was like hellll nahhh im try that pickpocket thang

[exotic tide]

what's the best joinery for a sidearm shortblade?

[long grove]

verite

[exotic tide]

gocha, any specific variation?

I have a Polished one, that should be good enough, right?

[empty kelp]

there's gotta be a better way to get river pearls other than running up and down rivers

...surely...

[long grove]

best earned passively from killingg bosses and doing sparrow tales. actively farming them will drive you nuts.

[unreal roost]

so was just in a party with a guy, using the magic side arm. He was attacking at a speed he could wipe whole camps instantly without runes. It was like a machinegun. Is this an exploit id assume?

[humble delta]

Starting to think Dewellion doesn't exist

[simple prism]

I got most of mine in cogah runs, bosses seem to drop them often. I got like 120 right now.

[winged light]

i need arena mannnnnn

[empty kelp]

Im still trying to get to hardmode

leveling up the french rat mom is tough

[exotic tide]

there's a hard mode??

[humble delta]

Yeah. Get potion lady to rank 2 for making hard mode potions.

[empty kelp]

is there any easier way

other than cloudfell and faction colors?

faction colors require some specific things that have been a pain to farm

[humble delta]

Dunno tbh. I got to rank 2 when you could craft stat potions through her.

[exotic tide]

hmm I'm trying to find this Ode'n cannon, but it's not showing up where the map pointed me

[long grove]

each faction has a dye and a potion to craft, so you still have the virtue potion from your current faction to craft also

[exotic tide]

is this step bugged or something?

[dawn moon]

ok now i been looking for Lullily flowers for a bit, can someone pls show me a location on the map where i can find some?

[frail ridge]

check the corrupted areas

https://wiki.avakot.org/Lullily

[dawn moon]

ty ill try see i can find some

[frail ridge]

they can be kinda stingy I wish u luck

[dawn moon]

find some! thank yoooooouuu

[frail ridge]

no problem the avakot wiki is ur best friend it's helped me so much

[hollow bronze]

I don't quite understand what this is or where it is. I'm on the marker, but there's nothing there. I checked the mine underneath, as well.

the marker says "A LETTER AWAITS YOU..." when I hover over it

[real terrace]

Go to a shrine

[frigid spoke]

There's a marked circle on your map, go there

[hollow bronze]

I don't think I see any shrines. I don't know what they might look like

[hollow bronze]

isn't that a separate quest?

[frigid spoke]

It's whatever you have marked as current quest

[real terrace]

The respawn shrine, the letter is at the base.

[hollow bronze]

The yellow circle is the current story quest (I believe), but I saw this marker on my map that's separated, so I went to check it out... and now I'm here. I feel very unintelligent

[hollow bronze]

is it inside the mine shaft?

[wanton badger]

Do y'all think we'll be able to face paint our envoys at some point?

[full hearth]

Yes

Wolf will match you

Don't ask when though

[wanton badger]

Ohh- So it's full on confirmed

[full hearth]

Male Envoys have had face paint since the early days

[wanton badger]

alr.

I just got the mockery ilk and I felt like some Arrow level grease paint would really help the 'creepy' factor

[full hearth]

It's being removed with Preludes 13, will be back later.

[hollow bronze]

nvm, I found it

[wanton badger]

ooh alr

[wanton badger]

cause lowkey this kinda looks goofy on my Envoy

[wraith badge]

Feels great once you get momentum going in a fight.

[surreal whale]

Can you target enemies as a mage?

[frigid spoke]

yes, right click at em

or hold right mouse to attack whatever you want

[surreal whale]

and with controller?

[frigid spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[surreal whale]

xD ok. ty

[frigid spoke]

I'm sure it's in settings

[surreal whale]

nothing found yet. but i look for 🙂

[frigid spoke]

Whatever button to aim with bow is the same

[vast thicket]

can someone help me out where do I grind for igne mora? Im new

[frigid spoke]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Weapons

[vast thicket]

Thank you sm

[frigid spoke]

bet

[hollow bronze]

I think I'm bugged. I can't leave this arena. Every time I try to use the shrine, it just brings me back to here

is this normal?

[frigid spoke]

That's a quest/fable, finish it

[hollow bronze]

I did and then I got stuck here 😭

I even talked to the deer dude

[real terrace]

Follow bird out

[frigid spoke]

Walk out of the area, don't use the shrine

[hollow bronze]

it's not moving at all

[frigid spoke]

Might have to repeat it. That pic looks like it needs to start

If not, just relog

[hollow bronze]

alright, let me try that

I got out. Thank you!

[frigid spoke]

great

[hollow bronze]

should I report that as a bug?

if you finish that quest, then re-enter, it just doesn't let you out

[frigid spoke]

can if you want, it's probably happened many times before tho

[hollow bronze]

alright, then I probably don't need to

[noble gale]

I did play soulframe a long time ago and now I don't know what to do XD and what set to farm or best weapon I don't know anything D:

[dawn moon]

um whaaaa? where did she goooo???

[wraith badge]

FINALLY.
I got a weapon fragment from the Stag/Deer.

Bad news? I need two of them.

[sly escarp]

Tines then, not Gath

Hopefully that's what you were going for was the Dual Blades and not the Polearm

[wraith badge]

the Polearm, sorry.

got the Tines ages ago.
Polearm fragments have been eluding me.

Got everything else built before I got my first Polearm fragment

[full hearth]

Do not find her

[fair frost]

what would you guys say the best totems for oscelda

[frigid spoke]

Totems go in weapons so it's up to your playstyle.

[fair frost]

ok currently i am using the attack speed one and it feels really good wasnt sure what most people use

[dire socket]

there a guide on like... what to do once ive beat the bear?

[fair frost]

the bear and wolf quests are like the final story missions right now after that is farming stuff

[dire socket]

i guess like, what to farm, where, how

[fair frost]

try to find a map on boss spawns to get fragments for weapons if you dont have all the trees search for a tree map and go get all of them

[dire socket]

ok thx

[frigid spoke]

https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[white igloo]

RIP intern guard

[serene vortex]

I have a question about the Thawtide event. Do all item fragments have a chance from dropping by placing a seeder on a squawker box or is my best option to just loot the enemy soldiers?

[frigid spoke]

No

weapons/armor from the guys. Amulet from breaking the squawker only. Birb skins from making and placing seeders only

[serene vortex]

Ah, ok. Thank you!

[frigid spoke]

bet

[tropic nacelle]

Where is rathos at?

Cant find him in the new prelude

[frigid spoke]

Armor n weapons start dropping at the guy lvl 30+ I believe. Get em to 50 and you're g2g

[frigid spoke]

Search the map link a few scrolls up. Rathos spawns in the NE area of map.

[tropic nacelle]

Scrolls?

[frigid spoke]

scroll up

[tropic nacelle]

That map is outdated from the looks of it

[frigid spoke]

lol no

[tropic nacelle]

Ive searched the location it shows

[tropic nacelle]

It looks different from my map tho

[frigid spoke]

load latest version

It might be having issues right now tho =/

[tropic nacelle]

It is the latest

[frigid spoke]

yup, that's where he is

your cursor on the 2nd pic is too far left

[tropic nacelle]

Ik

Its the part where the rocks are

[frigid spoke]

yes

[tropic nacelle]

But ive been there a few times and checked all around

And he wasnt there

Is he locked behind another boss?

[frigid spoke]

no, been there everytime I hit him today

[languid escarp]

he's kinda ontop of the rocks, ne side

[tropic nacelle]

I'll check again i guess maybe my lobby is bugged

[languid escarp]

i climb over the rocks, drop behind him and just assasinate him lol

[tropic nacelle]

Oh with the archer assassinate ability?

[languid escarp]

no just backstab, with some fellust charge it's a kill

[tropic nacelle]

Yall know how to reach the island in the top left?

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah thats his ability its a backstab

[languid escarp]

i've been there

[frigid spoke]

I just killed him

[languid escarp]

it's really empty when i was there, not alot to see

[frigid spoke]

erlog

relog

[tropic nacelle]

Do yk how to get there? Or is it not open yet

[languid escarp]

you go around the back of the castle and walk into the sea, you can just walk along the seabed to the island or atleast you could

[tropic nacelle]

Saw a map with it unlocked so was cinfused

[languid escarp]

yeah i have the fast travel point unlocked

[tropic nacelle]

So is it open or not?😭

Im confused

[frigid spoke]

not

[tropic nacelle]

Ah alr

[languid escarp]

not missing anything, just a rock

[tropic nacelle]

Wish you could fast travel between trees😭 takes like 15 minutes to walk to each side of the map

[frigid spoke]

you can

[languid escarp]

yeah once a day lol

[tropic nacelle]

Huhhh

[frigid spoke]

er no, you just need to collect more seeds

you get 1-3 every 12 hrs

I have 78 atm

[languid escarp]

yeah i don't play all day so it's usually 1 a day

[tropic nacelle]

The seeder?

[frigid spoke]

can only collect it once every 12 hrs or once a day so it's a guaranteed 1-3 each time. RNG is a pita

[mystic cipher]

They might not have finished the waste bear yet.. So they might not have known about this yet..

[frigid spoke]

ah there's that

[languid escarp]

you pick up the seeds from the frence ladys bitty

*french

[tropic nacelle]

I beat the waste bear but only seed ik about is the seeder

[mystic cipher]

Go to nightfold

theres a plant near verminia

gives acorns

[frigid spoke]

It even glows, kinda hard to miss

[tropic nacelle]

On her podium with her cauldron?

Cause theres no plants here apart from 2 herbs on her table that i cant touch

[languid escarp]

bottom of the stairs

[mystic cipher]

between verminia and tulvakane

split the difference. right at the edge of verminia hut

glowing acorn plant

[tropic nacelle]

Oh that

Got 2 seeds

So i can use those to fast travel to another tree?

[mystic cipher]

you can teleport to 2 trees for the next 12 hours

in 12 hours you can get more seeds

1-3 every 12 hours

[frigid spoke]

12hrs from your last collection, so like 2 mins ago

[languid escarp]

wish they stacked up, wtf playing over 12-13 hours lol

[tropic nacelle]

How do i use them?

[languid escarp]

hover over a tree on map, hold button

[tropic nacelle]

Oh done thx

[frigid spoke]

yeah they don't stack if you miss 12 hrs, it's still 1-3 when ever you collect it. They stack after you collect them

[tropic nacelle]

Just found and killed the guy

Trying to get his rune

I want the torrent but thats way outa my level and cant craft the thing needed to start the cogah anyway

[languid escarp]

you can totally just cheese him with fellust and a backstab on cogah too

[bitter quartz]

Just find somebody to run Cogah with

[tropic nacelle]

Btw whats pull smite?

I have animal souls that heal on pull smite but have no idea what it is

[tropic nacelle]

Whats fullust?

[bitter quartz]

It's when their bodies glow and you press Q to take away their soul

[bitter quartz]

Tethren's first ability

[tropic nacelle]

Oh when they glow blue red or green

[languid escarp]

when the enemie has a glow inside them you pull smite it out - soul mode + light attack

[languid escarp]

Tethern's 1st ability, each hit deals more dmg, so kill a couple trash adds then your backstab will be op

[tropic nacelle]

Oh im using archer

[bitter quartz]

Sirin represent!

I have not played in so long that the character movement gave me motion sickness.

[tropic nacelle]

How do i get the boss to break down the door at fort kearnhold?

[opaque jasper]

Go to the torch sconce thing where the balloon is tied up

When you go up the stairs to grab an unlit torch he should bust out

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah thought
So

He hasn't busted out in the 3 times ive done the seige

Like i hear him banging on the door

But he isnt busting out

He only seems to bust out when I do it co op

[opaque jasper]

Definitely a bug, could see if there's a post about it and contribute

[tropic nacelle]

Alright thanks

[opaque jasper]

Here's one https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1452106598611943504

[visual radish]

I imagine you said that just because it is easier to communicate but just in case

The game doesnt really have classes like that, you have what i assume is the base bow equipped but you can equip other weapons too (which will also become easier with the patch we might get this week because of weapon requirements no longer having a debuff if you dont have the stats)

So like you can basically equip any weapon with any pact (tho of course meeting the stats means more damage)

I guess the tldr of what i want to say is, you arent locked to bows only because you picked "archer" at the start

[faint horizon]

How do I lvl up the potion crafting girl? Sorry new player

[languid escarp]

you can get a colour pallete and a potion from your faction, craft those + a cloudquell should do it

brewing diffrent things gives xp, just once per thing though

[unreal roost]

is there anyway to change name or word that they may add it

[languid escarp]

think it's on your account managment bit on soulframe web page

[tropic nacelle]

I knew that but Grace is built around archer too and I got the bow as my only weapon and you gotta choose between mage archer and melee for the 3 starting classes so i called it archer

[faint horizon]

Ty

[tight beacon]

Hi guys, when the game is finally released, is everything reset or is the progression level maintained?

[brittle nacelle]

All progress is kept

[tight beacon]

good, I was afraid of playing so much and then having to start again

[brittle nacelle]

Granted if they change or rework a system the progress of that system specifically might be reset but overall progress is kept

[tight beacon]

ok, but to increase the blacksmith level I have to build weapons right?

[brittle nacelle]

Yeah, unique weapons tho building the same one more than once won't help

[tight beacon]

So even if I don't use a weapon, you still recommend crafting it, right? I've seen that weapons require a lot of materials.

thanks for your help

[brittle nacelle]

Especially for the weapon type you use yes

Every unique weapon you level to 30 gives you 5 points for the weapon arts perk tree

[river saffron]

hi im new but just wondering if i pick one how hard will it be to unlock the other 2 pacts?

[mint sphinx]

Any tips on how i can change my class?

[brittle nacelle]

Doesn't take too long, need to rank up faction a bit and then you can buy the other 2 with faction rep

[jade nexus]

Yo can anyone tell me why the map at the early game is like one massive cloud im js wondering if at some point in tbe future it'll be clearer to me

[frosty nebula]

There are huge trees around the map that you have to find, once interacted a portion of the map will be free of the fog

[jade nexus]

Okok thank you ill get to exploring when I can lol

[frosty nebula]

Np and good luck

[split herald]

getting there ❤️

[dawn arrow]

In the begining it felt so hard to find them but once you realize how they look becomes much easier. If you want to know how it looks its a || Thick Tree No Leaves with a Spear attached to the branch ||

[brittle nacelle]

The bird is supposed to show you the way to one of em at the start of the game, it'll sit in the trident attached to the tree but next time you summon it it'll just move on so you might not realize you're meant to interact with it even if you saw the guide sit on the trident which is very easy to miss

[frosty nebula]

Is that a magic set?

[split herald]

not sure, my first time crafting and assembling these

[frosty nebula]

Oh alright np
But looks sick i might hunt for these next

[vagrant kayak]

The Mockery set currently has mostly hybrid defenses, spread evenly between physical defense, magickal defense and stability

That will almost certainly change in the upcoming update though

[frosty nebula]

Ye i noticed that too in the wiki but i like it. Only got the kings armor set so far and no stability sucks sometimes at least until i get the tempest pact

[craggy wraith]

what is stability even for? do i need to pay attention to it if i play magic weapons over distance?

[frosty nebula]

As far as i understood it its for how fast and which enemy attacks can knock you down but not completly sure. If you can keep your distance it doesnt really matter for mage builds at least for me it doesnt although bosses can get harder

[arctic cedar]

It makes you more stable lol, meaning you will not get staggered so easily. If you play from distance it's not so important, but for meele it is

If u have a big number then lower level enemies won't stagger you almost at all, but higher level stagger you almost anyway soooo

At least ATM let's see after the update

[trim oriole]

Stability effects your ability to block and parry, aswell as what level of attacks stagger and knock you down

Block and parry work in relation to the white bar under your hp, if you don't have enough your block will be broke or you will fail to parry, you also get knocked down if the bar fills

Stagger and knockdown from enemy attacks works in a separate calculation likely similar to armour, if an attack has 5 stagger and you have 5 stability it won't interrupt you, if the attack has more stagger than you have stability you will be staggered, if it has overwhelmingly more stagger than you have stability you will be knocked down regardless of the white bar.

Stability is almost a useless stat atm because the main things that break your stability do so at such a higher amount than the possible stability we can get that no matter how much you build it doesn't do anything.

[vagrant kayak]

Please don't ask for Keys in the Discord you can check the ways to gain access here

[maiden kite]

I thought parrying cost no stability, or will you actually auto fail a parry regardless of timing if an attack is too heavy for your remaining bar?

[sudden topaz]

what day this week is the update coming out?

[craggy wraith]

some people said its tomorrow some say its on wednesday... who knows

[granite marlin]

and some say it's on 4th february

[craggy wraith]

yep. exacly

could also happen in the middle of the week... we have to see🤷‍♂️

[subtle crater]

Hallo people, Im a bit new to soulframe as I started out recently with some friends, we beat the story that exists so far and I am now leveling up my faction, currently rank 2. What do you think of the combat so far? From my experience the bow seems to be the best weapon in terms of gameplay, you can aim you can shoot from extremely far distances and it feels good, magic weapons are, eh? They feel ok at best i'd say. As for melee It feels very "clunky" to me but I do enjoy the ability to throw the weapon. I'm curious to know what the rest of ya guys think.

[halcyon marsh]

I’d say it varies within the weapons and according to what pact and runes you have

[static bloom]

The melee has janky animations that are hopefully gonna get updated but i already love the feel of actually hitting stuff combined with the movement and jumping. Idk why i'm enjoying this way more than my 120hrs of where winds meet and i just started SF a week ago.

[vagrant kayak]

One ending in Y

[craggy wraith]

if i would get a penny each time i saw this question, i would still wonder when the next penny will appear

[subtle crater]

So far from what I have played with, out of the melee weapons the dagger/shortsword sidearm feels the best, the longsword is fine for the most part and the greatsword just kinda sucks. Now I don't have extensive experience with it but I do feel like the collision with the hitboxes needs more work aside from some animations, a lot of the times on charged heavy attacks visually my strike will be right next to an enemy and it just won't register which feels annoying. As for the bow the only real complaint I have is that I wish the enemy AI didn't know you location within an instant if you shoot from a hidden position/being far away, but it seems to be just like warframe on that part. All in all I'd say I like some aspects of melee but it certainly feels lacking, you get staggered too easily, parries are not particularly rewarding especially for normal enemies. Now bear in mind I am talking about all of this without considering the skill trees as of now.

[trim oriole]

Parrying costs stability, Some attacks (glowing ones) required the art node to parry, and depending on the stagger value of the attack it costs more to parry, you can reduce the cost with joineries

[craggy wraith]

"visually my strike will be right next to an enemy and it just wont register"

sir. i dont see the problem here?!

next time, hitting the enemy would probably resolve that issue

[subtle crater]

I am saying this more specifically for the greatsword but it applies to other melee weapons, often times when standing literally next to an enemy and using a charged heavy attack it just doesn't hit, I noticed this mostly when fighting the mini-boss "Reaper" the dog with the armour. I didn't mean that my strike simply hit the air or the ground next to the enemy.

[craggy wraith]

the paragorn hits just fine imo. making the hitbox bigger would result in registert hits where the actual sword passed the collision box of an enemy by alot

[granite marlin]

i dont have space in inventory anymore. u can i expand or where i can sell my stuff? lol

[static bloom]

Yeah it lacks polish and yeah the greatsword is disappointing lol but i'm loving the short sword and polearm a lot. When it it works it feels great I just hope they keep working on it. I heard they're reworking the short sword moveset too.

[vagrant kayak]

You can buy more weapon or Pact slots from Zenith the camel in your Nightfold, you can sell Pacts and weapons to Avakot to free up space

[tall frigate]

You can also sell at Zenith

[bitter quartz]

Don't sell your pacts yet though, of course. Might need the normal ones later on

[granite marlin]

Thanks
1000 dracs for each weapon hurts my feelings lol but okay, now i have the juniper

[abstract badge]

New player here, just picked up a founder's set last night and sent two friends the codes. Had an absolute blast and am looking forward to playing more. Definitely scratched the PvE itch for our group of 3 long time destiny players.

Any tip lists or guides for a new player such as "don't sell your pacts" or anything?

Also, is it suggested to get all 3 of the wyld packs for the additional shop currency?

[craggy wraith]

1k dracs is literally nothing

[halcyon marsh]

It would be nice if it was upped. Would create new ways to farm dracs and increase reason to recraft weapons.

[vagrant kayak]

Game's about to change pretty drastically but a few tips that will stay relevant:

Level weapons to 30 before selling them, as this will unlock combat art points as well as level your overall account

You won't be directed towards content after a certain point, there is more to find but you'll have to find it, look for interesting landmarks/out of place elements in the world

As for premium currency, if you are comfortable spending then I would say the Founder packs are the best bang for your buck right now when it comes to Arcs, though at this point you don't need much

[abstract badge]

I appreciate it, thanks. I've been thinking about grabbing the other 2 packs simply for longevity and a few arcs up front. I am really liking this.

[halcyon marsh]

Paragon has a greatsword as well

[abstract badge]

Also 10 total friend codes for preludes

How's the greatsword skin on paragon?

[round swan]

Do dungeons scale to your character/account level or do they scale based on what area of the map you enter them? i.e. entering a dungeon in the north will have stronger enemies than the same dungeon entered in the south

[keen ocean]

Hey guys, I applied for a code a good while ago and somehow never received! Partnered Twitch streamer coming from the recently failed "Steven's Nightmare of Creation" game

Do you guys know if there's a creator program running for Soulframe yet?

[halcyon thicket]

Not yet

[abstract badge]

Bah. Guess I'm getting Paragon

[keen ocean]

Ah, I see

Does anyone know at all how long the wait list is normally? It feels like I've made my acc at least a year ago lol 🙂

[long grove]

it's not a wait list, it's random. there is a preference toward those who made it a while ago, but some who made it two years ago also been waiting.

[round swan]

I ended up getting a code from watching a stream and making sure my twitch account was linked.

[keen ocean]

Damn

Ah, their official stream channel?

[craggy wraith]

the paragon IS the greatsword. there is no skins

[keen ocean]

Thanks for that, will

[long grove]

there's a stream on the 10th you can earn a code on

[round swan]

https://www.twitch.tv/playsoulframe

[keen ocean]

also sorry I tihnk I'm in the gameplay channel, mybad

[royal gust]

Add me Fargis

[long grove]

the 10th at 4pm est, mark the time!

[keen ocean]

[long grove]

you could also stalk the subreddit, lots do key dumps there.

[keen ocean]

ayo, and the bots don't farm it? I played a lot of Tarkov and those keys were literally live for seconds haha

[dawn arrow]

I have extras, dont mind giving one away. You still need it?

[long grove]

prolly a difference of this gonna be a free to play game

ope, there we go

[keen ocean]

@royal gust blessed us! Love ya guys,

Thank you!

I'll check the game out, heard some great things!

[dawn arrow]

Is that why i had 0 success in parrying with a greatsword? I really thought you cant parry with it, just cant do it. This stability explaination is new to me

maybe i just suck, so far 0 success in deflecting projectiles with staves and 0 parry with a greatsword lol

[long grove]

greatsword has some floaty animations that currently need you to cancel by like briefly sprinting and such. that should be changing in like p13.

ik cuz im way too used to doing it like this pffft

[keen ocean]

OH. MY. INTRO. GAAAAAAAAAAWD !!!!

[long grove]

rise, envoy

[craggy wraith]

huh?

[long grove]

he's just starting out

[craggy wraith]

did a stream start?

[trim oriole]

You can parry with greatswords or any melee but some certain attacks need the art node to parry that not all weapons have

[long grove]

nope. brand new envoy

[keen ocean]

well it's pretty hecking cool to see it for the first tiem, better get out of here with my spam and go to general chat

[long grove]

ahhh it's definitely some floating animations that lock you out of actually being able to bring up your sword. it's a known issue.

[dawn arrow]

but normal attacks [non-glowing] should be parriable with any meelee weapon right?

[long grove]

ooo can't plug here friendo

just don't wanna see you get in trouble

[trim oriole]

Indeed

[keen ocean]

Cool cool, I'll be in general chat! See ya guys around!

[dawn arrow]

I guess i must practice, i think when i absorbed a soul and my weapon turned into a burning sword i didnt have problem doing parries

[long grove]

I parry all the time with greatsword. it does work. you just kinda have to make it work sometimes.

[trim oriole]

Theres a problem at where once enemies reach about level 24 you can't parry then anymore, that might be part of your issue

[long grove]

like the animation after the end of a light combo, if you just wait to parry then it doesn't always work.

[long grove]

this is not true. I parry way above that.

[trim oriole]

If its a straight bug or if they just outscale our stability with their stagger by that point is unknown

[long grove]

this is just one example of how floaty greatsword can be tho

[dawn arrow]

how can i tell i have enough stability for parry? (im full spirit build but trying weapons)

[unborn grail]

Did DE ever mention something along the lines of raids in the future? with the slower gameplay and less powercreep compared to warframe this seems like a good oppurtunity for something like that

[long grove]

your party bar is below your health bar and fills up as you get hit. but alr ignore me, damn

[long grove]

uhh AFAIK probably just the big siege to the south. idk if it'll play largely different than current ones, but the size should bring something interesting

[trim oriole]

You can't really, enemy stagger values are hidden and we dont have great options for building stability

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1462187303677202660

This post explains the parry issue well

You will never have enough stability to not be knocked down by bannerets and stag slams for example, and most other attacks you can parry without any investment

Kinda a broken stat atm

[unborn grail]

prolly too early still, but the big siege sounds fun already

[craggy wraith]

a 20 kg bat or a running deer knight should bring you down no matter how much you invest into stability

[long grove]

used to be able to explore that castle, it's huuuge. seems like we're gonna get the one to the ne soon, so it may set expectations.

Definitely room to have multiple objectives if people wanna split up to accomplish them at least

just optimistic speculation mind you

[unborn grail]

Steve said they have big ambitions so i doubt we'll be left dissapointed

[round swan]

Sorry to ask again, just curious. Do dungeons scale to your character/account level or do they scale based on what area of the map you enter them? i.e. entering a dungeon in the north will have stronger enemies than the same dungeon entered in the south

[mystic sedge]

based on the area of the map you enter from

[long grove]

dungeons scale to the area. the ne area is the highest level.

[round swan]

gotcha. thanks.

was thinking about diving into a few to lvl weapons and pacts after I hit limits for faction points

[karmic jolt]

Hi, can someone tell me how to add things to the radial menu?... I can't figure it out?... Please...

[dawn arrow]

There is a limit for faction xp?

[long grove]

16k a day

[dawn arrow]

Also thanks, just hearing that you CAN, just tested and it works. Just need more practice as i primary use magick

[long grove]

there should be fixes on the delays and such with the next update. don't get used to how it works right now like me!

[dawn arrow]

The kit of Oscelda is really attracting me to go melee. CC +DMG, Heal overtime, and Stagger birds. Im enjoying the greatsword and just crafting Gathannan, exciting.

[autumn kernel]

Best with gath imo, with torchendal rune + headshots

[dawn arrow]

how does headshot work with gath?

According to wiki the heal is not affected by any virtue, so basically .. you can build a courage Oscelda, yea?

[craggy wraith]

the whole virtue system(and therefore dmg scaling on virtues) will get reworked today or in the next few days

[long grove]

just throw at their head gotta aim a lil under depending on range. get used to it's curve.

great on mockeries too, who take double head shot damage compared to everyone else

[dawn arrow]

I was throwing my greatsword, it does chip damage, like completely useless

[long grove]

oh yeah

greatsword is not a throw weapon

[dawn arrow]

but has a tree for it

[craggy wraith]

more effective in heavy golden hits

[long grove]

too slow too yucky, but you can hit heads. its way too finicky because of how it flies

it's different from a spear, which is on one point

you can still aim heads hots, but I'd say greatsword is more a heavy swing weapon. daggers and polearms excel as a throwing weapon

[dawn arrow]

offf man cant wait to try gath once crafting is done, might as well start with a new pact, the wolf/hood

[long grove]

longsword has some throw stuff too, but it also lacks as a throwing weapon

[mystic sedge]

To be fair, skill trees do not necessarily indicate what type of weapon it is or what it excels in. That system is LONG due for a rework

[long grove]

rook is just hilarious as a throw weapon too. knock everyone down, finish them.

yeah that rework is coming. coping for this year.

[sly escarp]

Any polearm can do that if you have Headlong

[mystic sedge]

While theyre at it, I REALLY hope they split dual short blades and daggers into different categories. Also Staves and Gauntlets

[sly escarp]

It's a bugged perk. Meant to make Perfect Throws deal more stagger, instead it makes non-perfect throws guarantee knockdown

[long grove]

ah I tend to focus on perfect, prolly why I thought that.

[dawn arrow]

last question before I go, would prefer a 3 star weapon [2x attunement] or a 3 attunement weapon [3x attunement]?

[sly escarp]

3 star weapons are 3 attunement weapons

[mystic sedge]

Stars indicate attuments which indicate degree of scaling

[dawn arrow]

I apologize, i guess i mis-read it thought gath was 2 stars. Ok that makes sense.

[mystic sedge]

Absolutely nothing to apologize for. Never learn if we don't ask

[dawn arrow]

Part of me doesnt want to play alot not to get burnt out on release but, this design of pacts and weapons leveling, if new stuff keep coming, oh my ... this can turn into an addictive hobby

[verbal sequoia]

When does faction reputation reset each day? And when the wevetseeds refresh.

[long grove]

7pm est

and 12 hours after you last pick them up

[verbal sequoia]

Gotcha, thanks

So same rep reset as Warframe. At least it's consistent

[wary laurel]

what will happen to our beta / early access playthrough, once Soulframe hits the Steam store ? do we keep our account and most importantly our Character and its progress, or we start anew ? how will Steam know we already payed for the game?

[long grove]

you still sign in to the same account, there shouldn't be any more wipes

[mystic sedge]

They said no more character wipes. Unless something catastrophic happens*

[wary laurel]

ah ok thx

[dawn cloak]

hello guys i have a question i registered like 2 week ago to try soulframe preludes but my account didnt get an invitation , does someone here know how this work?

[opaque viper]

#envoy-gathering message

[smoky crater]

the weekly invites are random. no guarantee on when you'll get one.
there's a stream on the 10th tho that you can get a code from as a twitch drop

[dawn cloak]

Thank you man, i didnt know all this, i will need to get info on how to get drops, ppl tell me they get skins for games and a lot of stuff but never got twitch drops to work

[smoky crater]

#soulframe-news message this post has info on how to do that stuff

[dawn arrow]

According to dev stream notes:

• Melee weapons scale with Courage, Magick weapons scale with Spirit and ranged weapons scale with Grace. Similarly, Armour now scales with Virtues, with Courage accessing the toughest of steel, while Spirit won’t.

I was having too much fun making a spirit build but using bows and melee 😭

[somber jasper]

anyone knows how to stop this wheel?

[mystic sedge]

I would suspect hybrid builds will be a lot more reasonable with the new virtue system. Your bow might not deal as much raw damage, but when combined with abilities that scale off spirit, I imagine this will still be possible. Also if we can add joineries for different stat attunements. Your bow might end up with Grace 2x and Spirit 1x scaling

[dawn arrow]

is there a website that explains how scaling work? like if i have 30 virtue points and all of them in spirit with a weapon of 3x spirit attunement, is the damage increase similar to a weapon of courage/grace/spirit attunements with 10 virtue in each? i hopei made sense

[neat citrus]

https://wiki.avakot.org

[vagrant kayak]

Can't, don't think that's a puzzle element

[smoky crater]

it's not yeah

[vagrant kayak]

Very rough math on scaling right now (subject to change)
1 icon = 1 Virtue points adds 1 damage
2 icons = 1 Virtue point adds 1.5 damage
3 icons = 1 Virtue point adds 2 damage

Weapons do have caps where adding more stops increasing the damage, depends on the weapon

[mystic sedge]

We don't have formulas to my knowledge so it is hard to know this. Also, weapons all have a scaling cap to them. Most weapons wont go past 24/25/26 virtue stat for increasing damage. I wouldn't invest much time+effort into understanding this atm. P13 is going to be reconfiguring all of this

[somber jasper]

was interfering with one so mb i could disable it

[dawn arrow]

Yeah might as well wait for p13

[mystic sedge]

My recommendation on build crafting atm, so trying to think about what kind of stat weights you want for certain builds. P13 is going to make builds much more multifaceted. You'll have to think about weapon types, their scaling, what prism to use, which pact ABILITY you want to be scaled out with your prism, what scaling you want through joineries.
There will be a lot more to think about. In theory at least

I suspect you will see more 60%/30%/10%-style stat builds than you will 80%/10%/10% or 70%/20%/10%s. My guess is that most builds will want an average of 2 pact abilities to be scaled out. Which means weighting two of the three virtues as high as you can within reason and "dump stating" the third

[dawn arrow]

although they did mention a prism that cators for glass canon build

[long grove]

whether prisms stay or go, yeah they aim for spirit mains to be looking at big damage low armor

[mystic sedge]

Yeah I'm sure we'll see a 80/10/10 prism or a 90/5/5. Something like that. Whether or not it'll be the average build you see, I'm not convinced. But I'm sure it'll certainly be possible

I mean take Hand of Mora pact for instance. It's two damage abilities scale on Courage and Grace. It's spirit ability is just a self buff that tends more toward tanky builds. So for Ability Damage specifically, you'll want a prism that leans toward Courage/Grace. Which feels slightly counter toward it being (in my opinion) a more magey pact dedicated to using abilities a lot. It also means that if you aren't pumping Spirit your cooldown reduction is going to be decreased which feels slightly counter. So then youll have to think about if you want to scale the Ground AoE or the Fireblast and how much Courage/Grace to throw into it

[vagrant kayak]

Based on the devstream the Prisms with the most extreme weighting are at about 55% to 60% in a single Virtue, with the remaining 40-ish % divided among the two others

[mystic sedge]

I'll be curious to see if this holds true or if adjustments or made. Or if we just didnt see all the prisms. That feels like is seriously limits builds if thats the case.

[vagrant kayak]

Not really, for example Saphene's Shadow had 13/15/40 C/S/G if you wanted to go all in on Grace weapons you'd still have pretty reasonable scaling for the other 2, and there's more balanced Prisms as well

I feel like people are forgetting that you still get SOME scaling on the other Virtues even when leaning heavily towards one of the three, if you want to go all in on a Grace ability it's not like your other 2 will have no scaling

[mystic sedge]

Sure. But I'm saying you SHOULD have the option to completely dump both other stats if that's your choice

Or almost completely. Like 5%

[white igloo]

I swear some totem drops are bugged to never drop

[vagrant kayak]

Yes the Sword and Shield Duck is bugged

[wanton pulsar]

Preludes 13 is looking like it's going to be here on the 26th.

That's my guess. Not an official announcement or anything.

[white igloo]

Can't find the Greatsword or Longsword totems for beaver

[vagrant kayak]

It's supposed to be this week if not today so poor guess

[wanton pulsar]

Nah nah. They lied to you.

Trust me

[dawn arrow]

I mean at a glance, when you tell me magick weapons scale with spirit only, as a magick user the first thing that comes to mind is to pump spirit 😇
All is cool, its just the virtue bonus that comes with each pact makes one feel more inclined to go for that virtue as primary

anyways thats assuming there are no caps. If there are caps then nothing matters.

[barren scroll]

Does anyone know of if there is a specific NE place to spawn tier 3 stag tale? Just like how you can have a high chancehood of spawning T3 Banneret by going to the crypt in NE, is there a known spot for stag?

[fair seal]

do you knoxhow the vadagar stag spawn ?

[lean prawn]

This is my biggest worry with the new changes.

[long grove]

only at night, in certain locations. best to use soulmap.avakot.org to find those locations.

[fair seal]

ty

[long grove]

you can filter just vadagar spawn points

[lean prawn]

I don't think this is the case anymore WRT joineries
"Blessed Joineries now make attunements stronger, rather than switching attunements." from https://www.soulframe.com/en/news/soulframe-devstream-12-overview

I.E. joineries make your existing attunment stronger, you cna't make a Courage weapon scale on Grace/Spirit.

This all paints a picture to me that we will see functionally no build variance and everyone will be do one and only one thing, but we'll have to see how it plays out.

[mystic sedge]

I'm with you and you're right for joineries. But that doesn't mean we won't see hybrid based weapons that inherently scale on multiple stats. I would assume that should still be possible given this new system

[lean prawn]

Hadn't considered that (and we know its technically possible because of Paragon).

[vagrant kayak]

There are multiple we saw on the devstream actually

[real terrace]

Question? If we changed a couple attunements currently, would they stay in p13? Like if I have Juniper attuned to spirit for reasons... in p13 would it stay or would it revert?

[vagrant kayak]

Including existing weapons that have been retuned https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153115423596879932/1467964540791558422/Witan.png?ex=6982f4c3&is=6981a343&hm=673904321218b66f7e545cc19130653f4361e60629b6e51d5ca0a331be84ddfd

[lean prawn]

Nice!

[vagrant kayak]

We don't know but my assumption would be it'd have the new effect, so instead of 2 Spirit scaling it'd have whatever the new scaling is + 1 Spirit scaling

Please don't ask for codes in the Discord you can check the pinned message in #envoy-gathering to see how you can gain access to the game

[latent harness]

hi, new player what is this an what do i do with it?

[visual radish]

The new attunements will be added instead of substituting so i guess it will now have the original one and the one from your current joinery

[vagrant kayak]

That's Resonance/a history mote, you Soul Steal it (Spectral Sight + attack)

[latent harness]

ok i will try that thank you.

[vagrant kayak]

It'll reveal part of the name for the location, and some lore in the codex (most codex entries are WIP and will display ??? though)

[latent harness]

awesome that worked thank you

[zenith knoll]

not using feybalt joineries on magic weapons 😔

[drifting spoke]

I hope you are correct, this is good news. The only thing I was irritated about from the live stream is how all those joineries were changing and how was going to probably invalidate the joineries I had already farmed up and socketed

[latent harness]

also in game chat works or doesnt work?

[real terrace]

Works

[mystic sedge]

Personally I wouldn't do changes that consume materials atm. P13 should be coming this week and I'd bet you wanna be stocked up. But also, I'm not your Dad. So do what makes you happy

[latent harness]

thank you

[drifting spoke]

Yeah, I haven't been playing much at all kind of waiting for the patch to hit

[latent harness]

sorry one more question, i climbed down a well near a cage creature went through cavern, an then at end broken bridge an up another well. can i get back to caged creature now that im on the other side? didnt realize i wouldnt be able to go back that particular way until i jumped lol

[visual radish]

If it wasnt quest related it for sure despawned by now

[latent harness]

that sucks lol

ty

[lean prawn]

I still wonder how this new scaling will play with the flat damage reduction. You will still need big numbers to get past enemy armor, so the sytem heavily biases towards whatever gives you the biggest single number over anything else. It seems like a single weapon and prisim allocation will always have an edge because it will always produce the biggest number for any given hit. Unless we have attunement caps still, in which case once you hit a cap your are basically wasting further allocation into that virtue, but have no control over it because you are locked to the proportions of your prisim...

The more I think about this system the less I like it lol.

[neat citrus]

that's the problem, you're thinking about it so much when it's not even out yet
just be patient and we will see how it is when it is actually here

[latent harness]

found him

[lean prawn]

Fair point, I am trying to preface everything here with "as it seems" because we haven't seen this in real life. But can't help thinking that there are some serious unintended consequences lurking in this rework.

[dawn arrow]

It bugs for me and a friend inside an enclave territory or nightfold

[lean prawn]

I'm excited for lots of the other changes: they're addressing the combat flow, the limitless heavy attack spam, getting a cool looking DW sidearm. So there's good stuff coming for sure. Reworking something as fundemental as stat allocation and impact is never going to be perfect on the first try, that's why alphas are alphas.

[latent harness]

yeah i noticed it was working earlier but havent seen any chats for a bit now an cant bring it up

[granite marlin]

wait
theres a teleport? D:

[dawn arrow]

the bug basicly must hold "enter" i can type while holding and once done, i release "enter" button for it to post lol

[latent harness]

lol thats fun

[drifting cedar]

Is there a list of faction exclusive stuff to buy before swapping?

[dawn arrow]

"enter" was a remapped button for chat instead of "T", if that gives any clue

[visual radish]

After the bear quest yeah

[lean prawn]

Dyes, the starter pact for that faction if you lost yours. I think that's it.

[granite marlin]

but i did the bear quest and didnt unlock the quest 😢

the fast travel*

[long grove]

there's no quest, there's a plant by verminia

[visual radish]

It is a consumable
Grows near verminia

[long grove]

you can pick up 1-3 every 12 hours

[lean prawn]

You should now have a tree growing in your nightfold next to Verminia. Pick the seeds, you can travel

[dawn arrow]

My faction "Children of Alca" has Ode Tempest pact which is not a starter. Are there different ways of getting it?

[granite marlin]

jesus, this game reaaaaly made me feel dumb asf. thanx. lol i never notice this tree

[long grove]

no, ode tempest and moras hand from the kith of kings can only be obtained by buying them

[lean prawn]

I think you can buy Tempest from Rose? I can log in in a bit and check but I seem to remember seeing it and Bromius.

[visual radish]

Tempest from rose and alcas yeah

[long grove]

yeah, for right now it's in both yes

[zenith knoll]

the real p13 was the friends we made along the way

[snow grove]

How far in do you need to be before you can join other players

[long grove]

after you beat the stag

[snow grove]

Cheers

[real terrace]

I joined my buddy at the start of Tormented stag after I had completed everything and he just started...

[long grove]

yeah, but it's buggy for many. best to wait until after is a good suggestion.

[real terrace]

Ah! Makes sense lol

[limpid elm]

3rd day of farming nurash. How rare is that thing?!

[zenith knoll]

just keep bashing mockeries, you'll get it eventually

[long grove]

for me it was stultin. that was harder than dew.

[limpid elm]

stultin I can craft 10 times :/

[dawn arrow]

Just tried Cogah for the first time, boss kicked my butt 😮

did not expect cooldowns will be that slow

[white igloo]

Yeah, all ability cooldowns are increased

Sometimes they bug out and don't recharge until you exit to your arsenal, swap loadouts, then switch back

[proper patrol]

is p13 due today?

[limpid elm]

we dunno

[mystic sedge]

supposedly this week. we dont know the date

[zenith knoll]

public posts said today but it's been changed to "soon"

def this week though I'd say

[dawn arrow]

Question regarding Cogah, if you die at Agari, Cogah effect ends but the summoned Agari is still empowered, will it still drop Cogah loot?

[proper patrol]

ah bummer i saw the post saying 3rd yesteday i was sure but couldnt find it

[sly escarp]

Agari buffs end with cogah

[hot oriole]

is there a difference in xp gained for my primary in arena whether i capture the soul or not?

[sly escarp]

Dying in cogah reloads the whole map

[dawn arrow]

im pretty sure he was still red and his attacks were doing super damage, and i killed him [after dying and oging again]

his minions that summons were over leveled too

[sly escarp]

Sounds like a bug

[dawn arrow]

Ahh that would of been nice for us not very skilled people, ends the cogah streak but still have a chance to kill that boss and get his loot 😛

[white igloo]

Weird

...That reminds me

I had a Cogah run earlier, killed a Stag boss before killing the King.
Stag boss spawned again shortly after we killed the King.

Same spot, wasn't even 30 minutes.

was like 2-3 at best, no idea how.

[dusky igloo]

Hello everyone ! , i'm new here , i installed the game mad an account and when i log in is saying that my account didn't receive an invitation to Soulframe Preludes . What to do ?

[white igloo]

I think I have some spare Prelude codes

Lemme check

[long grove]

pre alpha is invite only. making an account and downloading the game doesn't give access.

[white igloo]

Ok I got some codes

Lemme DM you it

[long grove]

there ya go

[dusky igloo]

Thank you

[dawn arrow]

Sorry another question regarding cogah since im gonna farma nd dont want to waste, if i join multiplayer and one of us dies, does effect end?

[white igloo]

Be sure to login before putting in the promo code

[white igloo]

No

[dawn arrow]

offf, so its better to do it in coop

[white igloo]

If another player goes down, they can be revived similar to Warframe. If all go down, then yeah the run ends.
They used to just be able to respawn via bird like solo play outside of Cogah.

[dawn arrow]

i didnt play warframe, how to revive? just get back to battle normally?

[white igloo]

Ok, well to be specific

[long grove]

you can revive immediately, but you can also fly your bird back to where you fell. if you do it that way, you're also granted a potion if you make it in time

[white igloo]

Player runs out of HP, they go down
Another squad member can revive them.

Only difference is that with Warframe, the player can die if they aren't revived in time / can manually die and respawn. In Soulframe Cogah, there doesn't seem to be a time limit on reviving a fallen ally.

[long grove]

oh in cogah ignore me

[white igloo]

Yeh

[dawn arrow]

So multiplayer is safer for cogah, i will give that a try

[white igloo]

Essentially

I tend to use Oscelda to act as the medic for a run, but iirc unless you're the host, Oscelda's passive CD reduction while standing in water doesn't actually apply.

...I also kinda wish that the Founder weapons were 3 star items, mostly cuz that Magic weapons seem to be weaker than melee or bows / flyblades

Then again, I need more Harmony to max out their respective Runes and Totems. Always feel like I never have enough

[mystic sedge]

Magic weapons are the strongest in the game in my opinion. They just require you to stand still to build up damage. Gauntlets especially are disgustingly strong. Especially with the Joinery that adds damage for continuous hits

If founders were tier 3 weapons then theyd either be BiS or BiS-adjacent which strictly is not healthy for the game

[long grove]

well they need you to stay still to build up attack speed, you can still kite and build damage from feybalt

[mystic sedge]

Right I shoulda said to build up DPS specifically

[rain hemlock]

is there a way to reset my account to 0 so I can play wit friends?

[frigid spoke]

no

[rain hemlock]

from scratch I mean

[frigid spoke]

no

[rain hemlock]

k thx

[frigid spoke]

I mean you can register with a new email n get a new code and go from there

[rain hemlock]

I got my key from twitch drops

I don't think I can reuse it right?

[frigid spoke]

Get a new code from the next twitch stream, there's no limit

[rain hemlock]

kk thx

[round swan]

oof. guess no update this week.

[long grove]

least there's time for those who still haven't finished thawtide

[left tangle]

I really was hoping it would come out before Nioh 3... oh well. Prelude 13 will be here whenever I come back.

[brittle nacelle]

can't believe I not only didn't get my 4 to 0 on this talking avokado, he won cuz I couldn't roll a 1

[slate lotus]

how in the world do I play this game?

[mystic sedge]

Oooo get that done! Rostrum is my favorite weapon in the game. Sooooo worth it

[brittle nacelle]

#envoy-gathering message

[long grove]

oh yeah I love the rostrum

[gusty wraith]

Do we know if P13 coming this Friday?

[round swan]

they said next week

[gusty wraith]

Yeah I thought they said they delayed it a week in the big livestream but they said in the devshort just a moment ago that they intended to release it today and it has to be pushed back

[twin violet]

the news channel post came out after the devshort so its next week last stated

[round swan]

shrugs I was just relaying what I read in the news channel

[twin violet]

There is a Soulframe workshop tomorrow so there may be SOME new info there but otherwise what was last in the news

[sly escarp]

Intended to release today at some point, pushed back to next week, it sounds like

[keen river]

yeah they said "next week" during the big livestream. that livestream was last week, the week after the livestream would've been this week, and they very much did intend to release it this week, but changed that apparently after reading through feedback

[mystic sedge]

I really hope they don't rethink releasing Prisms. As much there is hesitantancy, I'd really love to play with them and try it

[twin violet]

while steve joked he was getting yelled at for it, he said it had more to do with wanting to release it with content not just virtue changes so its more about the organ activity and drops it sounds like

[arctic cedar]

He said in the short that delay is coming from the new content and rewards (Organ ig) that they want to release for players to have to do something

And tomorrow they are planning a workshop on prisms

[mystic sedge]

Ah ok. Understandable

[waxen haven]

The virtue rework looks really good so far, wow

Courage no longer being THE best by a long shot, blessed joineries being cheese no longer, and prisms seem like a neat system

[mystic sedge]

I think Prisms will be so sick if there is a way to upgrade them or add stats to them. Kinda of like an upgradable Subclass+Equipment hybrid

[waxen haven]

Building into weapon types instead of weapon virtue types is going to be neat

Though, I do hope they find more ways to differentiate distinct weapons within classes

[worn crescent]

The prisms are gonna be so good i actually cant wait cause now we actually get to customize the way we play the game, instead of stacking courage with a sprinkle of spirit and grace

[iron compass]

is it possible for the game to be bugged and for the huge boxes from the event not to drop? I only saw one during the story (thought it aws story related since it was on a story point) but it turns out it wasn't and i got sintantly pulled into a cutscene. Since then i never saw another event big ship or whatever it is

[sly escarp]

That event spawns once every 6 hours

It's called the collector, and spawns at a different point on the map every 6 hours. Once completed, it won't respawn until the next 6 hours passes

[wanton badger]

Is the Thawtide set any good?

[halcyon marsh]

Rostrum is

[wanton badger]

aight

is Maestro just as good though? Or nah

in terms of bows

[halcyon marsh]

Rostrum is short blade so different

[wanton badger]

oh it's a short blade? I thought it was a sidearm

[halcyon marsh]

It’s a primary short blade. I think the only one currently.

[frigid spoke]

The only single blade short blade primary

[wanton badger]

Good to know, means I have a good weapon for my Orengall build then

is the armor any good or is it just fashion good?

[brittle nacelle]

there is good armour but unless you're using melee it's fashion

and even if you use melee, if you're good at dodging/parrying it's still just fashion imo

[wanton badger]

oh peak cause I suck at parrying. I'm only good at dodging cause I started with Sirin

[halcyon marsh]

Rostrum and flitsmoke just felt like cheating, but I guess that was largely the flitsmoke part of it.

[wanton badger]

Do people try to go for high smite chance for this build? Cause people say it's busted but I've only been landing smites with arrow rain

[halcyon marsh]

I only started with rostrum yesterday. I’ve mostly been odiac and duhk. I took it at level 1 with level 1 sirin to NE and was taking camps out. (with armor and full totems and rune)

I want to say I did everything I could to get more smite.

[wanton badger]

So build for smite chance. Got it

[halcyon marsh]

To start at least, imo. I don’t know later on.

[brittle nacelle]

once you have a rune yeah getting the smite early into the fight feels good

[iron compass]

yeah for me it was last seen 3 days ago

ran around the whole map like 10 times just today nothing

[trim oriole]

it has a set spawn for everyone

you can find it easy by checking the intereactive map

[mystic sedge]

Smite makes the world go round currently. Its the single most important aspect to increasing damage for basically every build due to how runes work. And in terms of rostrum, Rostrum Flintsmoke + Odiac/Esthelle Hollowing definitely feels like a very top tier build at the moment. Extremely huge utility paired with large spiky damage. However, when joineries change, this whole build is likely going to look very different

[arctic cedar]

Rostrum with flintsmoke + Ode Tempest is lots of fun

You just grapple to the enemies and stab them

Peak assassin gameplay

[trim oriole]

Damn update de;ayed til next week

hopefully that means some concerns about how new virutes scale are being considered

[dawn arrow]

I just joined random coop round, a teth killed t3 2x stags in less than 5 seconds.
I am wyld oscelda mmax lvl, max weap, jointer, and i dont think i do 10% of his damage, maybe even less.

You can actually reach that? like how? just whao i dont know how I feel

[trim oriole]

Tethern is a DPS pact

Oscelda is a support pact

also Tethern is crazy strong atm

[mystic sedge]

NEVER compare yourself to Tethren at the moment. Fellust is notoriously broken as heck. Its in a completely tier of its own and 99% of the playerbase is PRAYING it gets nerfed/adjusted

Very, very bad for the game atm

(but really good tool to farm runes if you are struggling lololol)

[trim oriole]

pacts in general are in a bad spot

[dawn arrow]

Here I am trying to kill cogah solo as Oscelda, i feel stupid now

[trim oriole]

theres tethern that actually feels like it does somthing but also is way too op

and like 6 others that dont feel like they do anything

and oscelda which is like the only balanced one

[mystic sedge]

I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Quite a few pacts feel pretty good, but every build does kinda rely on being pumped totally into Courage. Mora's Hand can output quite a bit of damage with a ton of courage. Garren Rood's stampede clears enemy camps without even trying and provides mild sustain.

[dawn arrow]

Weapons have caps, so its all ability play for high dps?

[keen river]

i play oscelda solo in cogah, it's definitely not impossible, it's just that nothing is as easy to rack up damage with as tethren right now

[trim oriole]

Yeah but when it comes to bosses Moras hand, Garren, Tempest all feel like they do nothing

[spare badge]

Mix with bow and it's a good strat.

[fresh socket]

ngl Wyld Sirin can solo Cogah nodif

pickpocket for potions

wreck everything else

someone said there's a confirmed delay date in game, that true?

please and ty ❤️

[dawn arrow]

Look i am not expecting out dps other pacts, but i only managed to land 1-2 hits and the fight was over, it felt like cheating. throughout leveling to max, my mind still cant comprehend how to increase damage that much. I guess i shall try teth and see how it feels

[trim oriole]

update is delayed til next week yeah

[spare badge]

#soulframe-news message

[fresh socket]

that makes me sad

ty guys

[trim oriole]

better a delay than to release the new virtues as they are currently planned tbh

[spare badge]

Eh. Having a broken thing put in could make you more sad that waiting a week for it to get finished cooking.

[trim oriole]

to be fair, the proposed virtue scaling stuff even outside of prisms was so bad

its good they will cook more before dropping

[mystic sedge]

Tempest I totally agree. Mora's Hand I don't. The self-immolate Fire Buff that boosts weapon damage is very good for magic weapons and bows. Also the DoT fire tick does a lot more than you'd think and the Fireblast hits for like 300 damage. Garren Rood is 'fine' for bosses. Stampede is extremely good for add control. The heal is.... alright. But the main thing is you can upkeep a rune permanently with Rood + Lifesteal Joinery

[round swan]

could be nice to "crystalize" your virtues. jist not farm for what seems like they are proposing. i.e. i got my virtues to what i want for my healer. i spend some farmable material to creat a crystal based on what i set. then i can make crystal part of my load, but not loose access to the adhustability.

[tiny hatch]

Wow it really does look so much better this way.

[trim oriole]

I hit 300 damage with a normal attack lol

[mystic sedge]

I dont think Cogah Agari are meant to be bursted down within 20 seconds like Fellust does. So we shouldn't compare boss fights to that

[mystic sedge]

Your normal attack isn't applying Fire Debuff while also doing AoE damage as well

Devolving everything to "how much damage per hit" defeats the purpose and isn't a good metric

[trim oriole]

it is a good metric when the only thing it does is damage

[round swan]

ill do 1 damage if it means i can look cool doing it.

[trim oriole]

only bad thing about the update next week is its going to clash with warframes update now

[wanton badger]

Orengall pact?

[tiny hatch]

Yeah, The claw disappeared for some reason and its just so much nicer. I'm surprised by how they even modeled the teeth even though you would ordinarily never see them

[wanton badger]

It really is. Had it disappear briefly while hanging with Avakot in the well.

While I like the aesthetic and feel of Orengall, I absolutely hate the claw rn. It's intrusive to both combat and fashion, removing my kick to do a less effective slash, and just being in the way in an illogical-even-by-fantasy-standards way

it really only looks cool with the bow

[vagrant kayak]

The claw used to only appear for the Idol IIRC, back when you became Wolverine with Orengall

[mystic sedge]

Legit question. Is there an actual, tangible use for Kick/Orengall Slash? I haven't been able to find one. It feels like worse charged heavy

[vagrant kayak]

There are Totems that have Kick boosting effects but I find Kicks in general to be too weak

Hopefully P13 helps them a bit, and if not at least the new combat will be a good place to look into Kick improvements

[tiny hatch]

Orengall has a lot of problems that I hope they can fix very soon. Mostly I want to see werewalker become something completely different. I think it could be fun to have a courage arcanic that utilizes the claw as something akin to an exalted weapon. Maybe like Voruna's 4th ability (sorry to mention warframe)?

[spare badge]

Oh, hey, it's Fabio...

[spare badge]

And for the kick.

And if you threw your melee weapon and went to unarmed combat.

[wanton badger]

I like the kick when using bow. It's good to interrupt the attacks of most lighter armor Odes, anything else and I just dodge.

Orengall slash however SUCKS. It's such a downgrade from the kick, cause the kick has a form of lock-on and forward movement. Orengall just has the lockon

makes E useless

[spare badge]

I think we've tested it and gotten a slight increase over regular kick/unarmed punch. The running skewer version does notiably better.

[mystic sedge]

I'm with you. I'd love to see it be a melee-focused druidic werewolf transformation. Increased speed, damage, built in combo

[crystal stratus]

hey guys im thinking of picking up the Wyld Tethren founder pack. curious of your opinions on best starting class and funnest to play

[mystic sedge]

With bow makes a lot of sense. Slight stagger to then create some distance

[wanton badger]

exactly

[mystic sedge]

My opinion: Tethren is the strongest atm and isnt even close. Garren Rood/Oscelda/Sirin are the ones I find the most fun and more importantly, engaging

[spare badge]

Forget that druid hippie nonsense. Just go for skyrim style werewolf...

[wanton badger]

REAL

Tho I do like the stealth attack of the werewalker. It's so brutal hearing the scream of someone just getting mauled to death by a giant wolf

[crystal stratus]

ahh that makes me so torn haha. i like the sirin but everyone says that pack sucks and they are the weakest but its hard to get a consisitent opinion

[tiny hatch]

I noticed in the devstream that the orengall armor's new attunement is 2 grace 1 courage, so I think that's a good hint that the current direction for the rework could be pretty good.

[spare badge]

That's a bug, rather than an intended mechanic, so will likely go away anyhow.

[mystic sedge]

Sirin does not suck. It's a patience litmus test. It has a lot of CC. A lot of focus on stealth attacks, which are insanely powerful. It's power is very hidden behind using combat strategies.

[crystal stratus]

it looks soo fun tbh. the mage looks really good as well i just worry about it being more boring than melee

[tiny hatch]

see my forum feedback post on Orengall where I basically say exactly this!

[spare badge]

Seems like that's an odd thing. Given the whole wolf/moon thing.

[mystic sedge]

Oscelda isn't boring at all. In fact you have to think about your movement and enemy distance more than melee does. It's also EXTREMELY good with Bow. A powerhouse really. But it's also great with mage weapons too

[lone egret]

is there a way to start a new slot or something? ive just came back to this game and forgot everything

[spare badge]

The only real problem is when the abilities decide not to proc.

[mystic sedge]

Nope. Requires new code and brand new account

[spare badge]

No. Just replay the tutorial fables.

[tiny hatch]

I imagine that's what they were thinking originally, but with the upcoming changes to hw virtues work I imagine focusing on grace is the best call for a wolf/pack theme

[lone egret]

how i do that

[tiny hatch]

go look at the fable's entry in your journal!

[spare badge]

People typically don't think of "grace" when thinking of wolves. That's the weird part... Like "what are you pulling this 'wolves = grace' thing from?"

[wanton badger]

In terms of Orengall, I'd like to just feel more like I'm hunting in solo play. Atm I feel like Orengall is really a multiplayer-oriented pact. Stay in the backlines, throw out your wolves and buff your party.

It doesn't really fit the 'silent assassin' description of Orengall's pact

[mystic sedge]

I definitely think of wolves as graceful. In terms of soulframe I think theyd easily fit into any of the three categories of virtues. Courage for sure and spirit as they are often seen as spirit guides

[wanton badger]

grace is being associated with stealth playstyles cause of Sirin, and Orengall's description screams stealth gameplay

[mystic sedge]

But I agree that I dont see Orengall as a 'silent assassin.' It's reads much more as a Beastmaster/Melee Shaman to me

[tiny hatch]

New Grace is going to be focused around stealth and finishers. Theming-wise I do agree that its a bit iffy. However as a wildlife biologist I can confirm that wolves are pretty graceful hehe

[mystic sedge]

I mean it literally howls out loud for one of it's abilities. Literally opposite of silent

[spare badge]

Wolves and many canids in general don't rely much on stealth. They rely on endurance. Make the prey run themselves into exaustion, because we can keep this up all day.

[mystic sedge]

They also rely on pack tactics and strategy

[tiny hatch]

I sort of love this about it? The theme is focused around the "mother wolf and her pack" idea and so Packhunter and Howl really work for me as concepts. I really think adding in the Wolverine courage arcanic would add in that extra spice that it needs to feel like you're a dangerous hunter too.

[wanton badger]

That's true. That's why humans and wolves got along well in the first place. Endurance and strategy are a tactic shared between humans and wolves.

[mystic sedge]

Literally making you one of the pack. Which is kinda of the intention now, but it just doesnt do anything

[spare badge]

Orengall pact + ranged weapon + melee offhand = ranger build. Angry game warden with backup.

[mystic sedge]

My Ideal setup for Orengall would be Marrow Bane + Sidearm Bow. 1h Axe + Bow screams beastmaster ranger setup

[tiny hatch]

We have that Orengall sword concept art that they showed, but I think its unclear if that will be dual blade or long blade?

[wanton badger]

at the very least it could maybe use a few tweaks in the first ability. I mean, I do like that it makes me feel like I'm a wolfwalker from the 2020 film, but the enemies still aggro on my out in the open body, so it becomes useless in a fight where they're actively engaged with me. Can't even use it with my spirit ability cause they still aggro on me instead of turning a lot of attention on the wolves.

[noble quail]

How does the armor transmog work? You pay the currency to apply it or you pay to unlock the item for future transmog?

[wanton badger]

you pay for the item for transmog

[tiny hatch]

I think if we have to keep werewalker i would like my body to not be vulnerable and also for there to be any in-combat use whatsoever. Especially during bosses. It kinda hurts that Orengall functionally only has 2 arcanics when every other pact has 3

[wanton badger]

As far as I'm aware the item is solely gained through arcs

[noble quail]

I guess I should clarify:
If I pay to transmog with helmet A, will I be able to apply it again for free or would I have to pay to transmog helmet A again?

[wanton badger]

yeah. Maybe at least have us become the wolf instead of bootleg astral projection

[tiny hatch]

you unlock that particular transmog forever!

[noble quail]

That's good

[wanton badger]

Blessed be DE for not falling to microtransactions

If DE added an owl pact, would it be grace or spirit?

I might have done this in the wrong channel, whoops

[tiny hatch]

Real life owls are slow and silent hunters... I would say grace

[kindred cargo]

where can i get a code?

[wanton badger]

Peak

[kindred cargo]

or do i even need a code to play this game im kinda confused

[smoky crater]

you do yes

[sullen mountain]

Is this game on Xbox

[smoky crater]

you can preinstall the game without a code tho, just can't login

[smoky crater]

not on consoles yet for atleast a year.

[still roost]

I tried to download it from the website and it wouldn't let me cause I didn't have a code/invite

[tiny hatch]

What are these weird little blue objects that ode will sometimes drop? you can pull smite them but they don't seem to do anything or give you any items?

[smoky crater]

it does let you even tho it gives the warning that you haven't been invited.

[still roost]

Yeah I'm just dumb and read it wrong

[trim oriole]

probably their souls

when you have runes it does something

[smoky crater]

used to be more functional than they are now. now they afaik maybe might not even be true but can activate your runes

very small chance tho

[tiny hatch]

no not their souls, I will screenshot next time it happens.

[smoky crater]

basically a leftover from a very old system.

[fast ibex]

Me too. I run it as spirit melee. Pretty worried about this change

[smoky crater]

it's literally an Odiac

[wanton badger]

are there red and green variants?

[smoky crater]

the blue glowing thing that drops to the ground

[spare badge]

No.

[wanton badger]

ah

[mystic sedge]

Just means you will likely have to slot a prism that boosts primary spirit and secondary courage. Then find a melee weapon with inherent spirit scaling

[tiny hatch]

I think its these! thanks for the explanation.

[smoky crater]

yep

[spare badge]

The old system had a bit more sources of red and green mana motes around most of the dungeions. The smitable odiacs falling off of enemies helped cover the blue mana.

[fast ibex]

Yeah, I am currently using Royal Tines for melee

[wanton badger]

Does reforging a weapon change it's scaling?

[mystic sedge]

Currently, yes if you use a Blessed joinery. However, this is changing in p13. And we dont know EXACTLY how it will function

[smoky crater]

using a blessed by mora/iridis/saphene joinery does change the attuned virtue

[wanton badger]

understood. I'll save my blessed joinery's then.

[smoky crater]

the effect will be that the weapons scaling for damage per virtue point will go up with a blessed joinery iirc

instead of changing the attuned virtue

[mystic sedge]

Sure. But it was loosely touched on. All we were told is that Blessed joineries will improve the scaling already there instead of changing. But how does that affect hybrid weapons? I'm just sayin we don't 100% know

[smoky crater]

assuming it either boosts the harder scaling virtues scaling if it has 2 out of which 1 is higher, or it increases both

[alpine shore]

can we do quests in party?

[edgy vortex]

does anyone know if smite on kick runes also effect the grapple from ode tempest

[alpine shore]

we have done sneak neath the well for torment stag a few times now just keeps bringing us back to the first step

[bronze elk]

can i just change the 'class' of my character by redistibuting points in the other categories?

[vagrant kayak]

Yes, that is changing next week tho

Right now you can manually redistribute points, in the next update there'll be different set spreads you can change between

[bronze elk]

but the weapon stays the same ig, right?

[smoky crater]

Story quests? Suggested to do those solo due to prog stop bugs

[spare badge]

Try a relog with cache optimize. That often fixes stuck fables.

[spare badge]

There's goinna be some sort of changes to the weapons. I think the soulshort is getting a lot of questins asking about how exactly it'll work.

[wanton badger]

I know Orlick is rolling in his grave (or fuming in Nightfold) knowing that a story remains untold

[spare badge]

Steam is coming out of Kuato's ears.