gameplay-discussion

[knotty moon]

This is not the place for feedback though?
Here: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

[sterile pine]

This is just us going “haha game fun” chat

[hidden gale]

It's important to provide feedback, but it should be measured and understood. What's the direction of the game? What's the purpose of a mechanic? Where's mah damn rideable wolf, bruce?

[civic heath]

You have no idea how hard it is to make games like this be fun and profitable enough to keep them up long enough like warframe

[sterile pine]

Gimme wolf

[proven bluff]

I have fun too. I just really dislike the direction they're going with the Standing, experience and weapon leveling systems.

[mystic whale]

I think that's the biggest take. Am I enjoying it as it is? Absolutely. Does it need more work? Of course it does, it's not even near released. Did I click Paragon? Of course I did, I wanted to contribute given DE's track record. It's buying into helping make the game better over time

[civic heath]

Lets not kid our selfs, warframe was put in a trully terrible position a few years ago with the chat mod and white knighting situation, massive content droughts and broken things got left in the game for years without anyone being able to talk about it

[sterile pine]

Standing isn’t so bad unless you do 3 stars which is counter productive

Those need a huge standing buff for how long they take

[lilac lava]

how long for wevetseed to grow again?

[rich smelt]

Hi, has anyone else had trouble with the Orengall the Prophetic Wolf quest? I'm trying to free the wolves in the dungeon, but after defeating all the enemies, none of them drop the key I need to release them.

[smoky crater]

might be 20-24h from when you picked it up last time

[vagrant kayak]

24 hours

[hidden gale]

Honestly, let each stage of the T3 bounty provide some standing. That way if life happens part of the way through, you at least get something

[sharp otter]

you have to search a body

[sterile pine]

Two stars can be swept constantly

[civic heath]

Single player?

[vagrant kayak]

Well, once a day, I haven't checked if it's exactly 24

[lilac lava]

happened to me, i restarted the game

[rich smelt]

yes

[lilac lava]

and found the key

[civic heath]

Make sure to wait about 5 seconds after a kill before going in to loot then

[agile lance]

Region chat losing there minds this morning

[civic heath]

It seems if you get too close to the body the game assumes you looted it and it wont spawn the key

Just throw your sword at em when they are low and it should be all good, and try not to kill them on stairs

I dont have to tell you just how buggy stairs have been these past few weeks

[rich smelt]

Good to know, I finished the dungeon, restarted the game, and now I'm going to try again. I'll try to kill him from a distance to see what happens and wait 5 seconds to loot.

[alpine root]

My daily greatsword hating post

Make the moveset better begging on my hands and knees

[civic heath]

We cant ride it 0/10

[mystic whale]

greatsword k-drive mount when?

[civic heath]

Melee weapons need a bigger combo in general

[alpine root]

Greatsword GHOULSAW mount when

[civic heath]

having just 1 combo per melee is crazy when warframe is sat right there

[smoky crater]

have you maybe thought that that's something they might touch up on later on? 👀
or are you just assuming this is how it's meant to be as a final product

[civic heath]

Or do what souls games do and allow for combo flow in to heavy and single heavy in to basic

[civic heath]

I know its a thing for later

[sterile pine]

Honestly dewellion is probably a test bed baby for the ways weapons can be different since it has a diff heavy

[plush river]

how can initiate tales? and gather reputation for a faction?

there is nothing on the map

[smoky crater]

that sorta kinda already happens in a way
if you heavy attack in the middle of a light attack combo it doesn't start the light attack combo from the beginning but yeah i get what you mean

[sterile pine]

Have you unlocked them?

[vagrant kayak]

After you finish "An invitation" Faction Tales should start spawning randomly as you go through the overworld

[plush river]

where is an invitation starting at?

[civic heath]

I would love if you could combo in to kicks or in wolfs case a grab/punch

[sterile pine]

Kicks need some tweaking

[civic heath]

But I like Agressivly walking towards a boss stun locking them :( jk

[sterile pine]

They’re slow and don’t offer much more benefit in most situations

[sterile pine]

Funny thing the fire runes increase kick damage

[plush river]

ok ok i see it on the net and i have done that quest an invitation i have entered the roses hub but tales are nowhere to be found

[sterile pine]

It adds your weapon damage to it

[alpine root]

I think giving weapons perks would be a good alternative to massive combos

[vagrant kayak]

Did you just enter or did you talk to Lady Deora?

[alpine root]

Like purity getting kings ranged attack on heavies

So you dont have to use the ATROCIOUS throw

[civic heath]

We have that in a way

[vagrant kayak]

May need to do a quick relog to activate Tales

[lean sand]

is there a map of the dungeons? i still get lost in some of them

[civic heath]

But melee is not fun if you dont have good melee tech

[worn portal]

apparently i can make lvl 3 weapons on a lvl 2 weapons, lol is that normal? i thought the blacksmith should be lvl 3 first

[sterile pine]

They’re randomly generated

[vagrant kayak]

Dungeons are made up of random tiles, you'll spot the same tiles often but they'll be ordered differently

So no maps I'm afraid

[civic heath]

Soulsborne got away with simple combos bc you could link basic and heavy attacks inbetween seamlessly without losing momentum and before elden ring you could even throw kicks mid in to combo too

[civic heath]

Lvl of weapon dont matter much

Its just its starting stat you can remake them in to lvl 3 once you get them to 30

[steady linden]

Is there a good pact for a quality build? (all three virtues)

[plush river]

i reloged many times... and still no tales spawn on the map. is there a way to hard reset this without making a new account?

[civic heath]

the starting 3

Unironicly

[smoky crater]

all... of them?

[lean sand]

just to make sure... the end will always be in a place where a chest appears and you get out in a different place of the map, right?

sometimes i dont find the ending

[steady linden]

Really? I though the starters specifically only scaled with their chosen virtues

[civic heath]

Yesnt

[glossy portal]

What counts as heavy atk from enemies? I saw that Greatsword can parry a heavy atk. Is it the glowing hand when they atk?

[worn portal]

woah , wait a second, so i can upgrade a weapon that is originally 1 star, and make it into a 3 star?!!

[civic heath]

Golden yellow hits

[civic heath]

Yes... how do people not know this yet?

[steady linden]

Yes, the glowing ones, they're normally unblockable unless you have a specific weapon art iirc

[plush river]

do i have to kill the bear to activate the tales?

[smoky crater]

correct

[smoky crater]

no

[civic heath]

You can even make a grace weapon a 3 star courage if you wanted to

[glossy portal]

Okay, ty

[sterile pine]

I somehow didn’t know this but it’s because it’s not explained well yet

I just found funny weapon I liked

[civic heath]

fair enough

Im using a 3 courage magic stick

[steady linden]

Tbf i knew about joineries that change your virtue type, i did not know that regardless of star rating it got changed to three when you did that

[worn portal]

okay i need to know how if it is not a lot to ask

[sterile pine]

Power of friendship stick

[civic heath]

who needs spirit and grace when I can have the survivle instinct of a wall

[civic heath]

You know those cool red purple and greenish potions you sometimes get from chests but cant drink?

[worn portal]

yes

[civic heath]

Blessed ones

[vagrant kayak]

End tile always has a chest yeah, there's a few different endtiles

[civic heath]

They change scaling to the stat and the stars

[sterile pine]

Ooh so that’s how I never noticed you need multiple blessed to get a one to 3

[rich smelt]

As recommended, the best approach was to kill them from a distance. Avoid killing them on the stairs as suggested and wait a few seconds before going for the drop. Thanks everyone, I'll add this as a solution to the bug I reported.

[civic heath]

Meaning a 1 star grace bow, can become a 3 star spirit bow if you really want it to

Heck, you could run the whole game with what you spawn with and still be stupid strong thanks to this

I am however annoyed at the fact that there is no paragon pact

[unique crypt]

and there it is lol, literally the next siege I got the last fragment 😄 happy days

[civic heath]

but I will cope

[fast marsh]

just finished finding every world tree, now i'm at a loss for what to do next; is there a wiki or maps made that show where things are? i know i'm missing some fables and i'd like to make more weapons, just no idea where to find some of these materials

[civic heath]

Also about reforging your weapons, if its not blessed, you can do it when ever and it will just buff the stats outright

[mystic whale]

with a while and gold arm, mayhaps?

[civic heath]

Imagine
1st ability?
Grace buff for whole team
2nd ability?
Spirit buff for whole team
3rd ability?
Grace buff for whole team

Perfection

The "Foundation" of the team

[steady linden]

I get that, but i'm glad they decided to go for something minor for the exclusive (the sword)

[solemn ore]

Anyone know if the soulbound pact arts of orengall works solo with just you and your wolves?

[civic heath]

You could say
A "Paragon" to lead his envoys

[mystic whale]

a full support pact? be still my heart

[steady linden]

About founders, are the Wyld pact trees supposed to stack with their standard counterparts? Just checked by Wyld Tethren and it has all of the arts my standard one has, and it's only level 4 (the standard Tethren is level 30)

[civic heath]

Yes

[steady linden]

So THAT i why they're good for quality builds lol

[civic heath]

Its intended bc otherwise... it would have been full cosmetics for what 100+ doollars?

[steady linden]

Well, that's how primes started in warframe

[civic heath]

Yup

[steady linden]

The first 1-4 primes were just cosmetic

I thought they were going back to that

[civic heath]

Honestly, I think we can bring raiding back with this game

Not destiny 2 raids

Not those dirty massive clan raids in mmorpgs we get these days

True, large team expeditions in to the most hostile horrific wartorn hell pit imaginable

[steady linden]

Maybe that's what they're trying out with the Cogah

[unique crypt]

speaking of joineries, why are quicksilver ones so much more rare? I kill every single boss at least 2 times per day at this point and I've gotten so few quicksilvers. I've used one polished in my juniper, so a grand total of 2 of those so far

[civic heath]

Probably tbh

[steady linden]

It seems to be intended for multiplayer play either way, bc of the party member revives

[civic heath]

Effects

[civic heath]

The revives happing in the base game for no reason and hard locking everything so 1 player has to lose all the loot is still a pretty terrible bug

[thorn cosmos]

why cant my friend access and talk to the fire statue? do he need to open in solo first and then we both can do it online?

[civic heath]

Is he part of a different one?

What class did he start?

[visual finch]

which bosses drop quicksilver joineries again?

[thorn cosmos]

he started bow, and im melee

[civic heath]

He has a diff faction then

[thorn cosmos]

we did the quest togheterand killed the ghost during night

[civic heath]

He has rose

You spawn with a certain medalion after picking first class

[quick crest]

i feel like i only get quicksilver

[unique crypt]

as in they are the strongest so the rarest? I dunno about that. Feybalt on a magick weapon to me is stronger than any bow has ever felt, even with a polished quicksilver

[thorn cosmos]

but is it like a bounty place, how do i start bounty and get points so i can rank him up?

[civic heath]

He needs to join his and then rank up to lvl 3 to craft an item that lets him join another

[thorn cosmos]

but i mean for my sake, how do I level up

[civic heath]

If you can get him to the rose one just north of the starting area you can do anything to get levels in it

[civic heath]

Litterly just do anything, you will get 1-3 star bountys

[thorn cosmos]

im also neutral

[civic heath]

1-2 star bountys are prob the fastest way to do it alone or with 2 people

you can do 3 star ones stupid fast with 3 people since you can set up the final 2 steps while the other player does the first 1-2 steps

[thorn cosmos]

but what is the best thing to focus on when you are new to the game, im just lvl 10 om my class, online especially

[civic heath]

They will appear on your map and compas when you use birdo

[civic heath]

You wanna get to lvl 15 so when you fight waste bear you can unlock fast travel

Go a little south

[violet sand]

i have been going around grinding for a long time yet my level doesnt cross 1 any reason???

[civic heath]

re log ui error

And make sure you go to the pool party world

You lose everything you pick up if you dont go there after picking it up

[violet sand]

THE bear quest prompt near the tree raisins doesnt work, any idea why?

[civic heath]

What step?

[violet sand]

how do i do i that

[civic heath]

hold tab

[violet sand]

find the tree sap

[violet sand]

ok

[thorn cosmos]

but when do I get bounties? or should ifocus on main quests?

[civic heath]

press q and look around when the bird stops

go to the glowing trees spam f until it interacts

Sometimes the interact hitbox gets weird

[civic heath]

You get them after you join the faction properly and talking to the leader

You just need to wait a little or do a dungeon

[violet sand]

i am in the nightpool what am i supposed to do now??

[civic heath]

Nothing its done now, you wont lose anything if you fully die now

[sterile pine]

On another note sap needs to be highlighted better in soul mode

[violet sand]

okay

[mystic whale]

to be fair, the sap trees have big glowing claw marks all over them visible from afar

[civic heath]

Colourblind people cant seem at all

Its actually pretty funny

[sterile pine]

It’s hard to see tbh. Am I colorblind?????

I only notice them when I get real close

[thorn cosmos]

what is the max lvl

[sterile pine]

I feel like if this is how I find out I’m colorblind my brain would break

[worn portal]

what does lvl 3 blacksmith offer differently from lvl 2 blacksmith?

[civic heath]

Maybe 😔

[knotty moon]

Reforge maybe?
Some craft requirement for sure.

[civic heath]

She can build you a atomicycle

[worn portal]

what is that ? XD

[civic heath]

You can reforge at lvl 2 i think

[thorn cosmos]

will I also see his bounties when he joined his faction?

[civic heath]

not exactly

The bounties dont actually differ atm, so if you are part of one and he part of another it shows the hosts bounty but you still get the same standing

[thorn cosmos]

but can I do them wit hhim and get xp?

[civic heath]

Yup

You get all the rewards too

[violet sand]

it show like this didnt i meet the requirements or monething

[civic heath]

Oh thats.... fun

[violet sand]

also is there any way for me use my programmabke controller keys in the game

[violet sand]

is it not normal

[civic heath]

Did you do the Vermina quest?

[violet sand]

i did

the horn hairstyled girl quest

[civic heath]

Talked to her?

[violet sand]

yeah

[civic heath]

Check your inventory

You should have a sap tap tool

If not, you somehow skipped a step in the brewer of hues quest

you can replay the quest

If you have the tool log out and in

[thorn cosmos]

is there any amx limit on how many bounties u can do?

and can you trade animals with other playes?

[civic heath]

No you can do them all day every day

[civic heath]

Trading aint in the game yet

[violet sand]

i was playing on coop with my friend i got the cloudquell from her for defeating the knight so am i supposed to replay it again

[thorn cosmos]

but what should i do with the animals that I tamed and are not suitable for my clas?

[civic heath]

Try not to play in co op when doing questlines

[cerulean sedge]

You’re supposed to level every class eventually

And weapon

[civic heath]

It tends to break really easily and can soft lock progress meaning you gotta redo a whole quest

[violet sand]

okay

[civic heath]

Try a different weapon

Try a different pact

[violet sand]

is there a way for me to replay it

[civic heath]

Hell use the same pact on a diff class of weapon

You have a lot of freedom with build choice if you actually explore crafting and look at some of the totems for upgrading weapons

[visual ibex]

Does using a new cogah potion reset the bosses?

[thorn cosmos]

how do I take away the fog? like finding trees?

[civic heath]

Sometimes you gotta relog to let you do it

[quick crest]

who is this mada woman yapping at the bottom of my screen

[civic heath]

Because you walked to close to her pyramid scheme

[quick crest]

how do i collapse the nef anyo pyramid scheme

[austere cape]

how do i get to the last world tree?

[quick crest]

ohh wait this is how you fight the normal nimrod right

[vagrant kayak]

You don't unless you sneaky sneak out of bounds

[steady dawn]

So was reading P12 notes and it said something about faction standing and improvement . Everytjing takes so much more standing BUT where is the improvement ?

[pulsar cedar]

You use orengal stand in water turn to wolf while it’s on cooldown type /unstuck and walk to the island

[civic heath]

You got em all

There is more coming if you climb up the biggest mountain you can actually see stuff out of bounds in the fog

[civic heath]

Actually crazy

[thorn cosmos]

is there no other way to get animals faster, when u play online only 1 person can take them at a time

thats weird

[sturdy nova]

https://tenor.com/view/jorito-jorito-gifs-absoulte-gaming-absolute-peak-gif-10300411951011034280

[gentle skiff]

I got to the bar and now I'm not sure what to do next.

The bounties are pretty interesting though. It's fun to avoid everything.

[sturdy nova]

You could go to the Zoo....

[vagrant kayak]

Max level Tales give twice as much standing now, and the 2 star ones no longer send you to dungeons so they're much shorter overall

[gentle skiff]

Or rather... Have objectives rather than just kill everything.

[vagrant kayak]

Not saying it doesn't need further balancing but it IS better

[sterile pine]

https://tenor.com/view/putt-putt-putt-putt-saves-the-zoo-gif-9585997513872083845

[torpid lotus]

Anyone else getting a case of the ass at the "victory pose pause" after completing an objective but enemeis are still around and active?

[sterile pine]

Two star ones always being above ground made them the best for farming tbh

[tulip pumice]

Like this?

[quick crest]

is odiac still good after being turned into a secondary? it looks super fun to use

[torpid lotus]

Oh that does not look happy

[hybrid estuary]

You mean where we "complete the raid" then died to a dude lopping our head off while we can't move or dodge?

... YES.

[tulip pumice]

Yup they're great with Feybalt

[cunning valve]

hey uhh...cheese??

[sturdy nova]

What is max Envoy level?

[quick crest]

is the drop chance low? ive killed 5 dimrods and 1 nimrod and only got 1 fragment

[hybrid estuary]

🐁 🐁 Cheese?

[cunning valve]

random cheese stool i found with my friend. cant interact with it (yet?)

not telling where tho hehe

[civic heath]

This castle may not be the most realistic, but it sure is magical

[knotty moon]

Cheese.
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440066278336233472

[hybrid estuary]

I found that area as well... I too tried to acquire cheese.

Maybe you need to have the witch first then go there? 🤔

[cunning valve]

OH okay cool. yeah its already found thanks :3

[cunning valve]

i do have her

[hybrid estuary]

Dang okay

[cunning valve]

if i figure anything out ill post it

[tulip pumice]

I have 4 polished when all other joineries are somewhere between 20 to 60 so yeah, they seem pretty rare

[hybrid estuary]

Wait, do you have the Floppet equipped?

[cunning valve]

yes. snapped, nada

[hybrid estuary]

Dang

Maybe later on it will be a quest for her to acquire all the cheese and feed her poppets.

[leaden wyvern]

Im so fricking tired of trying to find motes

i simply cant see them

[half talon]

Easier to see at night. They glow and you can see them from a distance.

[leaden wyvern]

ive been running around a tower at 3/5 total for the past 15 minutes...i hate this system, i hate that vision doesnt highlight em either

[novel lion]

so i'm currently stuck behind a tent at fort curlail during a siege - if I type /unstuck will it forfeit my siege?

[shell bolt]

Hey guys, I only just got my arbearer, there (so it's crafting rn) and I have zero defense totems for her, where is a good farm for rats that any of you know of?

[civic heath]

Yesnt

Matters where you are stuck

[plush river]

.... hmmm i have finished that an invitation quest and yet no tales ever spawns...

[civic heath]

Relog

If that does not work go raid a camp

[plush river]

how many times

i have done that...

many times

[civic heath]

Did you talk to the fanction leader properly?

[plush river]

all the options

[civic heath]

Walk in 1 line until they spawn, your in a economic deadzone

[plush river]

walk in 1 line? from one side of the map to the other?

[alpine root]

On my hark hail thunder arc

[plush river]

i have explored the whole map and nothing spawned.

[alpine root]

I need a nimrod pact

[civic heath]

Have you joined another played who has bountys?

[plush river]

no :S i tend to play solo

[half talon]

A) have you headed to the silent rose? And b) have you completed the stag quest?

[civic heath]

Go in to a multiplayer instance with someone

[plush river]

yes on both of these.

[civic heath]

People are not skipping quests, at least I hope not

[half talon]

It’s possible to do some of them out of order.

[alpine root]

I havent even started doing my faction xp farm

I refuse to listen to avakots annoying voice

[half talon]

Okay any chance you’re currently running the waste bear quest atm?

[strange smelt]

@plush river Faction tales only spawn if no story quest is active

[civic heath]

Mute the game and then join it

[plush river]

yeah

[civic heath]

Then go and do multiplayer with someone who has diff faction

[half talon]

That’ll do it. Finish the quest before you get tales.

[civic heath]

Your still in tutorial

[regal spire]

anyone have a good link for explaining how Stability works?

[civic heath]

Finish waste bear and unlock fast travel smh

[plush river]

oh 🙁 thats a tough one i was hoping to farm factions to get stronger lol

[half talon]

It’s specifically something with the waste bear that causes chaos.

[paper sierra]

Hey all together. Game looks cool so far. How can I play it? Just by buying a founders pack?

[civic heath]

You lose the actual guide thats why

when you get froppet it becomes a quest mandatory item

meaning you cant escape poop bear and gotta beat em up

[strange smelt]

The wiki says QuickSilver Blessed drops from Banneret "(Glades of Andurin) (25+)"
Does that mean Lvl 25+ Glades dungeon, specifically with tales that spawn Banner in dungeons?

[alpine root]

You can do that. You can also hope you get a key on wed, or get a code from someone here. They give them out on reddit often

[civic heath]

Want to join me in t3 hunts?

[paper sierra]

Ah nice. On the official reddit?

[civic heath]

Im litterly just running around killin

[alpine root]

But your best bet for confirmed gameplay, is buying a founder pack

Bots scrape codes on the subreddit

[plush river]

oh ok i will try to beat waste bear and see if this changes something im rly grateful for the assistance on this

[tired totem]

Hello everyone, I've seen that there are certain bosses that appear in dungeons, but I haven't seen any of them yet. Is the probability of them appearing very low, or do they simply need to be fixed?

[strange smelt]

Maybe we should put a bunch of fake codes to mess with the bots

[crystal garden]

hey, anyone have a good will and some time to explain me how game changes for last 3-4 months? I pref in voice chat

[civic heath]

dont post em on sub reddit

[paper sierra]

Whats the difference between the packs? Just the skins? Can I play all classes/specialisations with each of the packs?

[alpine root]

The packs change what pact you get. Wyld versions of the starter pacts

[torpid lotus]

HAH, was complaining to myself about a lack of... dust? whatever the totem/rune upgrade material is and then realized I could break down extra totems and went from 1k to 115k of it

[civic heath]

salt

[torpid lotus]

Thanks

[paper sierra]

Does it make any difference?

[alpine root]

Atm if you dont have the base pact, the wylds are just cosmetic

[strange smelt]

Packs offer different weapons, armor, and joineries
Currently Alca has the best armor/weapons I think.
That's factions nvm

[alpine root]

But if you have both, you double the points you can spend

[steady linden]

The packs barely block anything gameplay-wise. The founder pacts have slight advantages over their regular counterparts, and you get some exclusive weapons but there are non-founder counterparts for most

To boot they'll add a way to get 90% of the founder stuff in the future

[torpid lotus]

And the founder pacts will be available to get later on anyways (think prime frames for warframe)

[civic heath]

Most weapons are the same stat wise

People are just not using joinery

[alpine root]

The founder pack weapons are bad anyway

Not worth it if you want good stuff early

[knotty moon]

Sirin's are pretty good.

[torpid lotus]

Honestly pacts in this are kinda like classes in destiny, they feel different enough but don't really change things up

[alpine root]

True

The greatsword is real life beans

[steady linden]

Any weapon is awesome with the right joineries

[civic heath]

bc bows are op

[paper sierra]

Thx all of u...sounds quite nice...so lets hope to get a key in the near future...greetings from Germany.

[spring lance]

Greatsword needs some tweaks. To slow and the reach is shorter than it looks.

[torpid lotus]

DM me

[civic heath]

Do people just build for raw damage?

[alpine root]

Me when an enemy is backpedaling me and winning

[knotty moon]

Dagger is nothing to scof at either.

[civic heath]

Is nobody taking the attack speed totems or the stagger totems?

[steady linden]

Speed runes and good timing helps a lot

[strange smelt]

I think the magic secondary and the bow are currently best in game
The bow is sad to cap at 29 scaling while Juniper caps at ~25
The secondary is just a flat upgrade to the tempest styled one

[alpine root]

Yeah but you can run a polearm and get better range for less expensive investment

[steady linden]

From using polearms a lot i got in the bad habit of using mostly charged heavies, and that's super not sustainable

[alpine root]

Greatswords atm are a bad mix of longblade and polearm, with very little reason to use them over the other

[steady linden]

Yeh, but i think the gs might have a better moveset for hitting multiple people

[alpine root]

Right now? No

[steady linden]

It also looks cool as heck

Which helps

[haughty vortex]

I haven't received any missions since I spoke to the blacksmith, what can I do? Help

[alpine root]

Enemy density is too low for the wide swings to be useful

[spring lance]

If you do t get stunlocked from said group of enemies @steady linden

[alpine root]

And the lock on will make you hit one enemy even WITH the wide swings

[civic heath]

the auto lock is the worst tbh

[steady linden]

More than anything i'm slightly disappointed on the move set

[strange smelt]

Nearly double stagger of polearm with better aoe from swiping instead of stabbing attacks

I suspect GS has more light attack range since all GS animations are at the hilt while pole arm light attacks all have them holding at the base of the small top blade for some reason,

[alpine root]

Better aoe doesnt matter when enemies will rarely ever bunch up for it to matter

[steady linden]

I thought we were gonna get something more similar to the banneret greatsword users, that's more nimble and sweeping instead of a dark souls gs moveset

[prime jungle]

Is there a difference between Wyld Tethren and the regular Tethren?

[alpine root]

Atm no

But if you max both you get 60 points

[steady linden]

Yes and no, their points stack

[alpine root]

Cosmetic too ofc

[steady linden]

Does anyone know if the red glow you get on your arm from red smites with Wyld Tethren does anything?

Or is it just cosmetic? Because the Paragon's glow does something

[strange smelt]

The Wyld Tethren arm being significantly scrawnier than the base version is a little odd

[knotty moon]

Courage buff iirc.

Paragon apparently boost heavy attack damage based on how many orbs are lit.

[alpine root]

Also when enemy density is good,they'll be throwing so many grenades youll only be using dodge attacks, and those with greatsword have this awkward pause at the end that makes flowing into a combo harder

[knotty moon]

Not sure about the other Wyld weapons.

[steady linden]

Yeah, i believe it's +40 to your next heavy per glowin orb (one courage, one spirit, one grace)

[grand chasm]

Hey so I can't claim a weapon I had forged because I have a full inventory, how do I discard stuff? I don't see any option in the inventory menu and every time I go to sell to the camel or Avakot it doesn't list anything to sell

[steady linden]

You can sell em at the capitalist camel

[grand chasm]

Oh right I didn't realise it was weapon space limited lmao I forgor

[civic heath]

you mean tottaly not helminth?

[thorn cosmos]

how do you play reggata online with others?

[civic heath]

slots are very cheap

[alpine root]

The important thing is to remember you... should be spending more money

[steady linden]

I don't know what a Helminth is, nor what a warframe, "gun" or orokin is either

[strange smelt]

Anyone know what "Banneret (Glades of Andurin) (25+)" means for joinery drops?
Wondering if that specifically means dungeon faction tales

[knotty moon]

Most likely.

[steady linden]

I've heard you can do it at the garden

Can't confirm tho

[strange smelt]

Glades of Andurin isn't an overworld area is it?

[steady linden]

Nah, it's a dungeon near the center of the map

[knotty moon]

In any hub (not sure about overworld) one player has to be sitting, and the other can interact with them to challenge them.

[serene niche]

Negative, it's a dungeon. Has several entrances, check the map. https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[strange smelt]

Does make farming blessed quicksilver significantly harder

[modest willow]

did the bear quest today, had to reboot twice because I could not interact with the sappy tree after being guided there by flopet then the jar after defeating the first miniboss. Then I killed Knell or the northwester corrupted beach and could not loot him, rebooted and I lost my cooldown for this boss. I'll wait untill it's finished.

[leaden wyvern]

yeah i give up. I cant find motes ever. Im lucky if i see one or two on each new place. Guess that will remain unexplored

[serene niche]

When you enter an area, it tells you how many motes spawned. Like this picture has 2

[edgy sigil]

one or two motes is the limit for each instance. if you want to get them all, relog to get a new batch of motes

[leaden wyvern]

huh?

[thorn cosmos]

what is motes`

[leaden wyvern]

yes i know, i think i only completed 3 areas tops

[thorn cosmos]

is it like mods?

[civic heath]

It translates the words so you dont have to learn a whole new language

[leaden wyvern]

if thats true that stupid as all hell

[edgy sigil]

#1438224662344761345 is that way

[winged pewter]

Are there any armors/weapons that drop as already crafted pieces like the Crypt of Circade armor? I really hate the grind/crafting system

[leaden wyvern]

why would they lock you out of completely exploring an area and forcing you to RELOG to fill the exploration....

[civic heath]

People need to realise that our role here as prelude players is to break the game as much as possible to find as many bugs as we can before full release

Go wild

[barren escarp]

nope

[edgy sigil]

because time gating is a mechanic to encourage players not to no life the content?

you also get a new batch if you get in a dungeon and get out but going ham on all the locations at once seems like your playstyle

[mystic whale]

yessssssssss

[civic heath]

Its a lot less punishing if you go back to the night world after doing a bunch of farming

Im seeing people die after like 30 minutes of straight farming and then respawning at the grave sites

[winged pewter]

Oh well, guess I'm stuck with the circade armor for now then

[civic heath]

You lose your items if you fully die and dont recover your body as the bird

[barren escarp]

grave site?

[civic heath]

big oll vine covered rock

the ones your birdo spawns at if you die

[barren escarp]

what are you talking about? huh that not true

[quick crest]

does ode infamy do anything

[civic heath]

If you die you lose items

[barren escarp]

right a resurrection stone

[leaden wyvern]

my style is "oh new place! let me get the motes!' the current system is extremely stupid considering the limited teleports daily in such a huge map. Having to discover a new [;ace, grab WITH NO INDICATION OF HOW MANY motes and being forced to relog is DUMB desing

[edgy sigil]

none yet, theyll introduce stuff to do with it in the future

[barren escarp]

what?? no you dont, if thats been happening to you thats a bug

[civic heath]

No, go farm a little and then die, dont fly to your body just spawn at the stone

[barren escarp]

sure thing

[civic heath]

it will show -(what ever you farmed ammount) on all items you picked up

[south hamlet]

My group hasn’t seen any loss of items upon death

[civic heath]

What?

[barren escarp]

right thats the neg bug that been happening to some ppl

[civic heath]

Ive lost entire fragments

[barren escarp]

thats never happened to me

[lofty oar]

is there a chance that theres no way to get out of the crypt ? bc i cant find an ending im stuck

[civic heath]

Bruhh

[barren escarp]

like I said its a bug

[leaden wyvern]

oh relogging brought me to an unexplored dead tree, unexpected reward

[civic heath]

Everytime I died after picking up a brand new fragment if I didnt make it to the body I lost that fragment

[ornate elbow]

Weird, even without diying this happens to me

[civic heath]

I litterly had to re do a farm like 3 times when trying to build some pants

[barren escarp]

yeah, theres a lot of bugs this update

luckily that one hasn't happened to me

[winged pewter]

That's not the issue, the issue is that I have to kill the same boss a thousand times to get enough fragments for the pieces that I want, then I have to do the same dungeon 25-50 times just to get one specific resource for one specific item, and then even when I do have everything I can't actually get the item bc I have to wait an entire day for it to finish crafting..... it's anticlimactic and not at all satisfying, there's no sense of progression so far

[south hamlet]

Did it also say somewhere on screen it was lost? Or did you just check inventory and see it’s gone?

[barren escarp]

I'm pretty sure its both

ive seen other ppl talking abt it

[civic heath]

Litterly picked up mockery binds a few mins ago and died bc I went afk

I had 2 in my inventory before the farm

spawned at stone, still only have 2

[barren escarp]

well, hopefully they fix it soon

[civic heath]

My screen on respawn showed -1 on the fragment

[sick grotto]

What are pacts? I am not understanding

[restive sand]

I keep losing everything I buy from the frog guy except potions, also lost my rank up reward from rose faction, the items are just deleted after a couple minutes

[civic heath]

and like a whole bunch of everything else

[south hamlet]

So text is popping up on screen saying something like “lost X fragment” or “fragment dropped” etc?

[south hamlet]

Gotcha

[mystic isle]

Was gunna say, I’ve never lost an item before

[barren escarp]

no just a negative number

[civic heath]

Abilitys and main scaling

[barren escarp]

right cuse its only happening to some ppl for some reason

[south hamlet]

No we havnt seen that. But also I have been making it back to body. My buddy just spawns at stone lol we’ll be looking out for it

[sick grotto]

Can I change them and level them up seperately?

[civic heath]

I mean I can get my stats to negative too by just flipping through pacts really fast

[civic heath]

yes

[restive sand]

I tried going back to tent, relogging, nope can't keep anything I buy from the frog

[barren escarp]

ive never lost an item either making to body or not

[civic heath]

Wyld ones gain the basic versions levels and points too

[mystic isle]

My biggest gripe so far is inconsistent description of what pacts are actually effected by what virtue, and the spawn rate of “scrap” items.

scrap steel my beloathed

[barren escarp]

I just want mounts and I'll be healed

[civic heath]

Pacts scaling is very easy to understand

its more, what does the scaling actually do

[sick grotto]

How do I swap?

[barren escarp]

arsenal in ure tent in Nightfold

[sterile pine]

And for new players what each virtue means

[civic heath]

I mean its pretty easy to understand if you played ANY GAME BEFORE and actually did some simple reading

[restive sand]

I dislike the way player power over time is earned so I don't see myself playing this game long time, it was fun to play the starter pact though

[mystic isle]

That’s what I mean. Not every ability is always effected or is sometimes effected VERY little by some virtues.

[civic heath]

A lot of people have been skipping dialog

[sterile pine]

Idk spirit = duration is a little tough to get right away unless it’s added in a new tutorial

[barren escarp]

fr fr

[sterile pine]

Old content didn’t so we had to figure it out lol

[hearty sigil]

soulframe when twin suns sleep walkthrough anyone knows this i wait 3 days and nigths in front of gate i think somthing should spawn here?

[barren escarp]

although its would be nice to know this too ingame

[civic heath]

I learned the game in about 10 mins took a almost 1 year long break, re learned everything in about 3

[mystic isle]

Also imo, it feels like Spirit/Grace or Spirit/Courage is probably going to be the “meta” for a lot of builds.

[civic heath]

Not even

those stats barely matter late game

[sterile pine]

Depends on the pact. Courage spirit split helps garren to an extreme

[south hamlet]

Also our group noticed that when using the wyld pact. Combining that first red ability with throwing knives does absurd damage. But only seems to work for host. Is it supposed to work this way?

[mystic isle]

Yeah.

[civic heath]

Your weapons totems rune and joinery matters more than stat alocation

[civic heath]

yes

[sterile pine]

We’re not talking weapons tho

[civic heath]

It gives damage per hit

[thorn cosmos]

is it good to relase totems?

[hearty sigil]

Anyone knows when he spawns or buged?

[civic heath]

If you have more than 2 then yes

you only need 2 of each

[steady linden]

At night, but the spawn can be quite buggy

[civic heath]

3 at worst if you are using the same one in all 3 slots

[mystic isle]

Oh two is the max? I thought it was three.

[violet sand]

what is the max players per session is it 2 or 3? cuz i am stuck at not joining my friend session

[civic heath]

3

[violet sand]

i tried relogging as well

[mystic isle]

3 players in a session.

[south hamlet]

Wild lol we’re talking going from like 30 damage to 400-800 damage and almost instant killing bosses

[mystic isle]

That’s definitely going to change.

[civic heath]

The ability of teth 1 gives 2x damage per hit

[violet sand]

i aint able to join em its showing session full is there any mistakes i did

[civic heath]

Throwing knifes are pretty crazy with it but mage is even more nuts if the staff is set to courage

[thorn cosmos]

what is endless that all is writing about

[mystic isle]

Like there’s a few abilities that definitely need tweaking.

[thorn cosmos]

and how do u get new weapons?

[civic heath]

Sirin 2

Sirin 1 and 3 need to be looked at too

[violet sand]

you gotta complete the blacksmith quest

[civic heath]

Because for a bow class, giving them a melee exacute ability seems kinda stupid

[mystic isle]

Sirin 1 and 2 definitely need adjustment. 3 is fine.

[mystic whale]

I don't know, I love the bow finisher with pulling the arrow back out

[mystic isle]

It’s basically a free backstab/panic button escape.

[civic heath]

Sirin is for bows but its a melee ability in the grace section, which is the starting stat of the bow

[violet sand]

how do i parry with a bow class

[civic heath]

Aim before getting hit

Hardest parry in the game tho

[mystic isle]

Aim during the parry window

[civic heath]

Nah thats what 1 is for

Massive Aoe too

press 1 walk away

[mystic isle]

I have never seen an enemy be open to a finisher with 1

[civic heath]

Its a blind

you dont want to be close with bows bc if your constantly rolling away you cant get full charged head shots off fast enough in a fight to actually deal damage

And since bows start with grace, and sirins main stat being grace, means you are going to have more grace than anything naturrally

[mystic isle]

Well, there’s the power where perfect dodges make you charge faster.

[civic heath]

There is also an upgrade that makes your bow strip armour per hit

[mystic isle]

So it’s not impossible to use bows in melee range.

[civic heath]

its not impossible but it shouldnt be the intended use

Atm melee is for front lines, mages for middle and archer for back lines

Especially since melee players can use feyblades to become blender

[spice kiln]

Is there a way to force becoming a sparrow? Both myself and co-op players are downed

[civic heath]

One has to leave and rejoin

then when they res you run to the stone

your downed now bc you dont have a respawn stone set

[spice kiln]

Good to know, thanks!

[mystic isle]

Really? I’ve never “set” a respawn stone.

[civic heath]

Its a bug

[teal fractal]

how do i get the invitation?

[civic heath]

Next to catacombs in the south

[mystic isle]

Ooooh.

[civic heath]

If you go inside them your respawn gets wiped

dying then puts you in a downed state that you cant escape from

It also needs a re log to fix after you get saved bc it will make the game bugger as a whole

[opal barn]

I hope when they add the mounts they change the werewalker ability and make it so you can stay as the wolf and fight

[civic heath]

Its a free exacute tbf

Unless your at a slight angle

[torpid lotus]

Man I'm not a fan of how the undercity/glades/crypts just spit you out wherever with the lack of speedy travel.

[mystic isle]

Also, I like Orengall, but the 2 making the wolves vulnerable to attack is ass. If you’re going to do that they should do meaningful damage.

[civic heath]

then its a free ass woopin by 8 nades

[torpid lotus]

probably be resolved when the introduce mounts

[civic heath]

Again, the way pacts are set up currently is weird

your 1 is always most usefull for melee

2 for mages and 3 for archers

This is true for almost all pacts

[edgy sigil]

mm, nah

[civic heath]

Dont get me wrong all the pacts are great

They all work perfectly fine with all weapons

[final rock]

ngl Sirin didn't feel great when I tried it recently

[civic heath]

Bc its not a bow class but it gives you a bow to start

[sterile pine]

Inside you are two wolves. Both take damage

[edgy needle]

How much standing can I get in 1 day?

[civic heath]

It should give you dual short blades instead

[mystic isle]

They need serious tweaks. Like, I get Ode Tempest being nerfed but THAT hard, is a bit meh.

[final rock]

I didnt start with Sirin

[civic heath]

Thats kinda part of the issue too tbh

Sirin is a class given to a archer

but they expect you to use melee

[mystic isle]

Sirin is fine imo. It’s a stealth archer class.

[civic heath]

since all 3 of the abilitys benefit melee most

[edgy sigil]

I think the skills being on their spots is more lore flavour than anything? the explosion on sirin's Spirit Arcanic (the 2) scales off Courage

the damage on Garren Rood's Grace Arcanic also scales off Courage, and I'm not sure how a stampede of deer can benefit stealth/bow playstyles

[sterile pine]

It’s for Skyrim gamers

[tulip pumice]

Stealth archer FTW

[mystic isle]

I mean early on Bows can almost one shot with a head hit.

[civic heath]

Its not a class its a pact

The class is the combination of weapon and pact

[mystic isle]

Look it’s effectively a class.

[civic heath]

No

[mystic isle]

It shapes your entire playstyle.

[civic heath]

If you had tf2 heavy and gave him scounts weapons he would not be heavy anymore

[civic heath]

No, it does not

[final rock]

he has a shotgun already

[sterile pine]

Why we arguing

[torpid lotus]

There's no fixed term for class right now and the game isn't even out to codify community norms.

[civic heath]

Again the pacts are designed in such a way that all weapons work on them for the most part

[torpid lotus]

Cause people wanna be right

[civic heath]

The issue with sirin is that its a pact made for a bow that benefits melee players

[spark hedge]

Please Soulframe

[mystic isle]

Yeah because bows are hilariously powerful.

[spark hedge]

I am begging you
I just want Gossamer Quartz

[glacial current]

Can i get mora's hand from the rank up reward for reaching r5?

[spark hedge]

Where do I find this stupid Gossamer Quartz

[civic heath]

They gave 2 suppot abilitys to a high damage range weapon

and 1 melee ability on top

[torpid lotus]

Undercity

Chests

[spark hedge]

Everyone says different things on where to find it x.x

[final rock]

scouts playstyle is based off of his speed. giving Heavy a scattergun (which is just a bit more dmg) wouldn't change anything with him.

[strange smelt]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gossamer_Quartz#Drop_Sources

[civic heath]

Bows by far outclass all other weapons when it comes to damage without pacts

[mystic isle]

Because bows didn’t need support (save for the combat arts)

[sudden fjord]

bows are nice early in but honestly staff is my go to nowadays tbh

[mystic isle]

At range you are basically God. But when sometime closes distance, you want to eacape or ways to deal with it.

[civic heath]

If the 3 let the archer get bonus damage if quick shot landed heads it would be fine bc then it wouldnt be a melee exacute ability

[sudden fjord]

its a shame harrowing is broken right now cause archstorm isnt as good

[lean delta]

How the heck do you do this puzzle? There's a statue at the end that glows but I have no idea how to move it

[final rock]

Sirin doesn't really do much for bows that other pacts can do better. Pocket sand just felt weaker than Roods 2 or Osceldas 1.

[strange smelt]

Thrown glaive seems to be higher since perfect throw gives the same buff as head-shot
And there's a 3* glaive but no 3* bow
Charging perfect throw is also faster than perfect shot

[ripe mulch]

Can i play with ps5 controller?

[mystic isle]

Rood’s is very good imo.

[civic heath]

Exactly, why Teth and Osc are better for bows than sirin

Teth lets you basicly 2 shot most bosses

[sudden fjord]

Teth is kinda busted rn but also i feel like teth needs to be kinda just reworked from scratch

[civic heath]

Osc gives you the insane birdos that can stun lock for a whole 5 seconds

and a heal that has waaaay too much range for its cooldown

[mystic isle]

Teth is good for killing bosses and then…just okay everywhere else.

[edgy needle]

Is this a bug?

[final rock]

Osc also gives you machinegun birds if you step in water

and most bosses have water near them...

[civic heath]

? teth can pull agro and help your team recover while you pull

[sudden fjord]

Man this duck stinks at its job.

[strange smelt]

Yes, though NaN stagger would be neat

[keen condor]

so, i've unlocked all the available ancestors, including the wolf. What is the core gameplay loop post that? Just leveling up factions and making weapons? If so do I just kinda choose a dungeon and run it or is there a specific way that is best to go about that

[torpid lotus]

Are you kidding? 1 in 0, he's AWESOME at his job, he can pull actions from nothing 🤣

[final rock]

post waste bear is killing bosses and doing faction tales mostly

[strange smelt]

There's Ode Tempest if you don't have that yet

[steady linden]

There's also the world minibosses (Agari) and later on the hard mode (Cogah)

[keen condor]

I do have ode tempest as well

[sudden fjord]

my main gripes with Teth is just the fact 2 out of 3 of its skills are just damage buffs, it a very nothing pact with a stun tacted on because every pact seemingly has a stun right now...

[civic heath]

Siv is not a terrible pact, but its not that good when paired with the bow, and due to it being on the bow makes it by far the worst starting pact

[edgy sigil]

duck knows how to divide by 0

[steady linden]

Did you also get Mora's Hand?

[sudden fjord]

yet the damage buffs are so powerful that you melt everything in proximity

[steady linden]

Some people have said it's not great, but i still like it

[final rock]

yeah atm everything feels kinda samey ignoring teth and mora since I dont have those

[sudden fjord]

it reminds me a LOT of Octavia in warframe, 3 skills that all basically do the same thing, said 3 skills basically play the game for you

[keen condor]

yeah. I have moras hand as well.

[strange smelt]

Every weapon also has a stun
I.e glave/bow knockdown and freezing enemies on secondaries

[final rock]

well Orengall is/was fairly different at least in P10

[steady linden]

If you've been to the Cogah, i've heard they drop special weapon runes in there

[heavy tartan]

yo does anyone know where to get the frangment for the garren rood armour set i cant find any info online?

[final rock]

yeah some bosses have a Cogah rune drop

[sudden fjord]

Orengall kinda has an identity crisis imo

[steady linden]

Vadagar Stag

[civic heath]

Fr fr

[sudden fjord]

its a spirit pact yet doesnt really feel like it reflects anything spirit-ish

[steady linden]

On the wasted biomes

[sand igloo]

how can i report a bug?

[civic heath]

It wants to be melee so bad but its spirit pact

[final rock]

yeah I havent touched it in P11/12 yet since until yesterday I was leveling other pacts

[strange smelt]

They massively reduced summoned wolves hp, so they always get 1-shot in cogah now

[sudden fjord]

the wolf mom trait feels kinda useless and just like filler to get akin

[cunning pendant]

Hey, I played like five minutes of this back in the Spring. I just reinstalled to that existing character with no memories, lol. Is there a way to reset my account, or a good intro guide?

[sterile pine]

We gots a bug report channel in this discord

[sudden fjord]

the werewalker skill is also broken and regularly disables your controls

[final rock]

yup, feels like a Warframe passive youd just have for free

[mystic isle]

Garran Rood feels the most properly balanced imo.

[steady linden]

Does Orengall still has the skill where there's always a small chance she turns up and kills someone?

[sudden fjord]

and tbh its just a clunky skill, it works well at the start of combat if you initiate with werewalker, and then its utterly useless because enemies will just immediately punt you out of werewalker form

[final rock]

does it still oneshot a lot of bosses?

[sudden fjord]

yep, its kinda gimmicky tbh

[civic heath]

Garran rood is the best balanced

[final rock]

Always has been

[steady linden]

It is yeah, but also SO funny

[sudden fjord]

fairly

[strange smelt]

Which pact do you think is closest to what the dev team considers 'balanced'

[civic heath]

Tbh

[leaden heron]

guys, how can i play the game?: when i load and use my password and email it says "your account hasn't got the invitation yet or smth like that?

[cunning pendant]

Hey, I played like five minutes of this back in the Spring. I just reinstalled to that existing character with no memories, lol. Is there a way to reset my account, or a good intro guide?

[sterile pine]

Big aoe hike. Defense debuff, health drain

[civic heath]

Orengall is the one pact that does better with more people using it

[sterile pine]

Did you get the invitation?

[leaden heron]

how?

i installed the game on the site

[sterile pine]

someone link the soulframe site

It has instructions on it

[steady linden]

Oscelda and Garren, i hope. There's still the lingering question of if they're gonna buff everything to their level or nerf the top ones down

[leaden heron]

okay thx ❤️

[sterile pine]

I’m on mah phone and it’s a lil hard to multitask at work

[sudden fjord]

i think overall Rood is in the best state rn compared to the other pacts

[final rock]

Oscelda in water feels real overtuned

[steady linden]

Oscelda in water is a different beast lol

[sudden fjord]

they just need to get rid of Pool

[final rock]

otherwise yeah its solid as a self-sustain/support

[sudden fjord]

Oscelda with maxed out pool is literally the most busted pact in the game as far as sustain and CC goes

[sterile pine]

The heal breaks sometimes if you play too long

[sudden fjord]

can spam AOE stuns that last 30 seconds even in Cogah

[sterile pine]

But otherwise yeah

[civic heath]

it breaks when you get staggered

you get it back if you soul pull a green soul

[edgy sigil]

it's fantasy Zenurik bubble

[steady linden]

Tethren feels simple but it's really good for new players bc Conqueror, i think it's the one that suffers the most from it's features being poorly explained and the numbers not shown

[strange smelt]

Oscelda's courage ability letting you ignore a VIP enemy the whole fight is so nice

[sterile pine]

All hail zenurik

[final rock]

ngl I feel most suffer that to some degree

[civic heath]

Everything does

[steady linden]

Oh for sure!

[final rock]

ngl I dunno how Ode works I just press buttons

[civic heath]

There are people here telling others that x weapon is bad bc it only has 1-2 star scale

[sudden fjord]

weapon scalings in this game are kinda confusing

[strange smelt]

Tethren feels borderline necessary since it's the only 'weapons platform' pact
And if we know one thing about Steve's games, it's that DPS is king

[civic heath]

its really not

[final rock]

ive only been hearing that in regards to the prime weps usually not being best in class due to that handicap

[steady linden]

I don't know if confusing as much as not explained whatsoever

[sudden fjord]

The Alder is my weakest staff in my collection atm despite it having the same attunment of Erstroot and even more than the newbie staff

[civic heath]

yup

It has different stagger tho

[sudden fjord]

its damage type is voltaic for some reason instead of arcanics and i dont even know why...

[civic heath]

read the full stats not just the damage numbers

[sudden fjord]

tbh stagger on staff is kinda useless

[final rock]

whats the difference between Voltiac and Arcanic?

[civic heath]

Some of the higher damage weapons got terrible soul smite chance

[strange smelt]

Most weapon classes are at 2* max, and the prime ones have higher scaling (like the prime bow having 29 stat cap vs Juniper at 25)

[tulip pumice]

Zappy and magicky

[civic heath]

minigun staff

[sudden fjord]

Voltiac is lightning damage Arcanic is like, vaguely unaspected magic

[steady linden]

Get it twisted, read ONLY the damage numbers and get mad when it doesn't perform well

[final rock]

moreso asking about gameplay differences

[civic heath]

I know right

[mystic isle]

Ode is a singular damage skill, and two support melee abilities.

[sudden fjord]

who knows lul

[civic heath]

Lower damage weapons have higher stagger and soul smite rates

[sudden fjord]

im sure some enemies have better voltaic defense than arcanic?

[strange smelt]

I remember someone saying Alder is bugged atm to have almost no scaling

[civic heath]

They are maid to prime the rune as much as possible

[sudden fjord]

its smite chance is the same as estroot

[sudden fjord]

That makes sense.

[civic heath]

double the base stagger

[mystic isle]

Also Mora has a clear style it wants to use but has nowhere remotely the numbers to back it up.

[sudden fjord]

yeah, eh.

stagger is very very bad on staff just cause like

[mystic isle]

Like that’s what needs buffing the most now.

[sudden fjord]

harrowing ignores block

[strange smelt]

Looks cool at least
And we know that endgame is fasion frame

[steady linden]

Mora got some help recently, but it definitely needs some more

[sudden fjord]

i think the only reason im not using harrowing rn is because it deletes enemy drops x(

[civic heath]

Yeah except the stuff is built around 3 man teams

[steady linden]

It's usable with it's second and third abilities, but the first one is sort of useless

[civic heath]

Dont look at it in the solo aspect

[sudden fjord]

eh

[civic heath]

The staff is either the mid range dps or support

[strange smelt]

I think the help turned out to be a nerf since it removed the only niche Mora had and gave it to Ode Tempest (while gutting tempest)

[civic heath]

Melee is either Tank, dps, or kite

Archer is dps or peal

[sudden fjord]

i dont see any reason to do 0 damage just to build up stagger when i could instead kill a boss in like 7 seconds

[steady linden]

What niche do you mean?

[civic heath]

Because you have a team mate that can kill it in 2 seconds if they get staggered once and you can stagger in about 3

[oak glacier]

any update announced for tday yet?

[strange smelt]

I haven't been around long but saw a lot of complaints that Mora used to be the stagger class, but now it's the 'nothing notable' class

[civic heath]

Its the sun pact

You bring the sun

[mystic isle]

It feels like the DoT pact

[civic heath]

Mora is the I want this group gone pact

[sudden fjord]

seems pointless tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange smelt]

DoT is uniquely bad in this game because of flat armor
maybe it should be the medium armor strip pact like Ember/Heat in WF

[steady linden]

It could do a lot of stagger, but it was really awkward. With your second ability you staggered people when they hit you, and the third was a single person stun but it was outrageously buggy

[civic heath]

except its not

[tough whale]

what is the exclusive part in the founders pack?

[strange smelt]

I think the birds

[civic heath]

Remember how warframe has bosses with dumb invincibility stages for NO REASON just to slow you down?

Yeah this game dont

[tough whale]

damn that much money for bird skin i berly see?

[mystic isle]

Ode Tempest also kind of needed that nerfed. Fantasy Revanant (WF players know what I mean) needed to go.

[tulip pumice]

THE EVERSTORM

[civic heath]

which means you can actually enjoy combat bc you wont be interrupted bc someone else wanted to nuke

[strange smelt]

To be fair, 1-shotting every boss before the cutscene starts does get old

[tough whale]

@strange smelt the skin itself?

[steady linden]

Nowadays, i find Mora to be a middle ground between Teth and Bromius. Some of Teth's weapon buffs along a nice reliable AoE nuke

[civic heath]

It ruins games

Warframe back when bosses could die in 1 tick was actually horrible to play

It stops being a game when meta is so optimised that your not even playing a game anymore

[steady linden]

Not as good as either as the other pacts at their "thing", but the flexibility is nice

[civic heath]

If the grind is not fun, then its a job, and everybody hates their job

[sudden fjord]

i think the main issue just inherently stems from the actual combat itself fwiw

[civic heath]

So if your still playing a game that makes you feel like your just going to work, your not really having fun anymore

[civic heath]

Its bc its lacking a lot of things needed for melee to be engaging

[sudden fjord]

warframe has a long history now of bosses just kinda getting nuked in seconds, that stuff was happening even in the beta days

[strange smelt]

I think so.
You get less notable stuff like planting flowers in a garden that nobody will see
Everything else will be obtainable for free
Does give 3200+ premium currency tho, and 45 transmog tokens

[stiff cliff]

Enemies just jumped out of a hole
Should I jump into the hole ,

[civic heath]

Yeah and it caused warframe to become a fight between devs and meta builders

[sudden fjord]

that largely stemmed from the player had every advantage over the boss and today i think that's still kinda true

[civic heath]

Meta builders wanna map nuke to get the most stuff the fastest

But meta builders dont care about fun

They are addicted to the idea of owning something in excess

[strange smelt]

You can use Tempest's courage ability to throw enemies in holes
And listen to them scream all the way down

[sudden fjord]

fwiw with the current state of soulframe min-maxing is kinda encouraged

[tough whale]

ty

[heavy edge]

This is where I appear when I leave Eternium. In the North. Thought starter area was South. But things seem to be my level now that I am not in my friends world lol

[civic heath]

How so

[steady linden]

Also the Paragon gs, technically. Later on the founders will be able to pasa down blueprints

[jolly void]

im not a meta chaser by any means but i think this is always a silly statement because fun is completely subjective

[sudden fjord]

faction tales taking a whopping 80 t3s just to get anywhere really doesnt encourage you to play what you find aesthetically pleasing and fun but rather what lets you grind those 80 tales down faster

[mystic isle]

This is very true.

[sudden fjord]

• the sheer damage you get just by naturally building yourself up is...unavoidable

[wicked anchor]

btw, did DE state what will happen with premium currency and whatever we bought? Will there be wipes, especially before the main release?

[civic heath]

Yeah except their aint much of anything in the game as is

You dont need to get everything right now

[hollow fog]

Is there a way to see our current standing limit? i.e. how much we have left for the day?

[strange smelt]

Officially no more wipes

[stiff cliff]

So many noob questions lol
Should I see another player in the map ?

[civic heath]

because well lets be honest, this is all there will be for a while

[mystic isle]

No more wipes, if they need to wipe something, you’ll get compensation.

[sudden fjord]

yeah, but thats also why we're here, we're here to test and give feedback, and rn frankly my main feedback is the game already kinda lets you steamroll every boss encounter, even Cogah

[wicked anchor]

Thanks guys

[civic heath]

Taking your time with a game like this will always lead to longer more enjoyable play times rather than just brainlessly doing something over and over and over again for items that can be gotten in a really reasonable time frame

[strange smelt]

Think like DarkSouls/Elden Ring
You see players that you invite
(Warframe saves a lot of cost by having player hosting instead of centralized servers)

[hollow fog]

I've heard they were discussing optional prog resets for those who wanted it, but no forced wipes

[civic heath]

yup

[steady linden]

I level up factions slow, and play them when i feel like playing the game, i think rushing them down defeats the purpose

[somber knot]

any quick tips on how I might find a talisman or obtain one ?

[civic heath]

Helldivers is a good example of too much meta min maxxing

You have players in helldivers that only run full meta instant area nuke and then run in to lvl 1-3 missions to medal farm

[hollow fog]

peeposhy

[sudden fjord]

i think "purposefully play bad builds" just aint the type of solution it aught to be tbh

[civic heath]

New players in helldivers then get these min maxxed addicts in their game and just get steam rolled in the process bc the min maxxer does not care

[civic heath]

Im not saying play bad builds

Im saying let your team play

[meager bobcat]

where do you get this

[strange smelt]

WF archimedia

[steady linden]

Is someone just playing the game how they want "purposefully running bad builds"?

[sudden fjord]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic heath]

Stug Loki Argonak Fang, good luck bozo

[mystic isle]

I admit I bought most of the other pacts outright, which I wouldn’t recommend but it was to just speed things along.

[velvet juniper]

god damn, i've now killed Wraith 33 times and still no Archstorm. Sooooo many Erstroot and Wizzard fragments

[strange smelt]

Forced Banshee is a vibe

[devout vapor]

How does Smite/Pull Smite work exactly guys?

[civic heath]

Forced limbo

[civic heath]

When they glow use spirit vision and quick attack

[strange smelt]

Like how you tame animals
Except it's humanoid souls and you eat them

[sudden fjord]

my natural build ended up just being kinda busted, and it was something i p much just stumbled into, i think the issue just stems back to enemies are by design, not as powerful

[civic heath]

The colours indicate which ability will be refunded on pull

[sudden fjord]

there's nothing really about the random Ode footsoldiers that make you need to respect their presence

[hollow fog]

idk, their grenade spam is pretty intimidating

[civic heath]

7 eletric nades thrown your way after you get sniped by a bow from behind say otherwise

[mystic isle]

Except how absurdly powerful their thunder ‘nades are.

[sudden fjord]

i have like 30 magic defense i can face tank grenades in cogah tbh

[civic heath]

Do you play Cogah alone?

[sudden fjord]

*and also staff is just so much easier to roll with

[sudden fjord]

mhm

[hollow fog]

or when you forget to put stagger resist on and they trip you and gather around and smack you around like a dog toy

[sudden fjord]

ive done it with my trio and ive done it solo

[strange smelt]

I feel like every build should have a viable power fantasy in mind
But like in WF Archimedia, they tend to remove viable power fantasy and just forced you to find once piece of equipment to replace your whole build

[sand igloo]

#1445458040173236317 any solution? anyone had same problem?

[sudden fjord]

...yeah i use mockery set lol

[civic heath]

Then min max to your hearts content

If your playing solo min max all you want

but if your playing with people just mess around with a silly build that lets everyone play their role

[hollow fog]

I'm still gearing up after the last acc wipe in around P7, so I struggle sometimes lmfao

[civic heath]

bc it turns out when everyone is not a dps nuke, you can actually dps nuke at the same rate

[steady linden]

Isn't Archmedia super high-end optional content? I didn't play that much WF

[sudden fjord]

once more i feel like that ignores the overarching problem tbh

[civic heath]

The main problem with the game atm is that we are in what is effectivly the tutorial

[late garden]

Someone plz explain Virtue scaling, I've got it sort of figured out with weapons, they apparently have a cap on those, though, but for your Pact skills, is there any indication of what Virtues do to them? For example, does Courage boost your Pact Courage ability only, or does it do other stuff?

[strange smelt]

Anyone here in Alca's and know how their faction stuff works?
Is the npc just straight up missing? Might need to restart?

[civic heath]

We dont even have mid game content on soul frame

[visual gorge]

The main problem with the game is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. Dark souls or Warframe? Those two don't mesh well.

[sudden fjord]

tbh are we?

[civic heath]

Waste bear is the end of the tutorial and unlocks fast travel

[meager bobcat]

is there a good spot to farm will-o-fronds?

[mystic isle]

This right here is a good example. The game should be way more clear on this stuff.

[sudden fjord]

soulframe is around the same level of content warframe was when Earth first got its open world map, minus access to organically getting wylds

[tulip pumice]

They've made it very clear that Soulframe isn't trying to be a Dark Soul.

[sand igloo]

I restarted but npc still missing

[civic heath]

No?

[sudden fjord]

and idk if i would had described that point in warframe's life as "still just the tutorial"

[hollow fog]

that is so not true lmfao

[civic heath]

Not even close

[visual gorge]

How is the in-game shop there if this is a tutorial?

[sudden fjord]

are you forgetting warframe back then had literally just like...proc dungeons and the void?

[civic heath]

Soul frame is basiclly at the kill vor stage of gameplay mechanics compared to warframe

[steady linden]

I think there's a massive gulf between dark souls and warframe, we could fall somewhere in the middle

[sudden fjord]

we didnt have syndicates back when Vor and co were the only bosses...

[grand horizon]

Should i just keep following the questline or does exploring do anything

[civic heath]

It also had late game content and rivens, and primes, and rare mods

[grand horizon]

Sorry to butt in just recently hopped in and wanted to see how others were handling this

[tulip pumice]

Well yeah you can't expect games to go around the same pace of development as 10+ years ago

[strange smelt]

Looks like they just randomly spawn in grassy areas
Would be good to kill them before they pop from the ground so they don't suicide and delete their drops

[civic heath]

Yeah thats the point

[steady linden]

I think we're pretty early, man. Armor values got added like two preludes ago

[civic heath]

They have more skill now with this style of game

[hollow fog]

Some quests are triggered from exploring, but exploring also is decent for levelling and resource gathering

[civic heath]

They know that a bad early game will lose players

[visual gorge]

With this style of game? What style is that? Warframe but slow and with swords and wands?

[civic heath]

They will focus on building it up to late game instead of throwing it at you

[strange smelt]

Souls-like
I guess souls lite

[tawdry sorrel]

I just level up a weapon to level 30 and noticed my overall level / mastery level it's not increasing... is this a known bug?

[hollow fog]

kinda. like a souls-lite with warframe aspects

[quick crest]

souls-like-like

[mystic isle]

Warframe is a power fantasy. This is very much NOT a power fantasy.

[civic heath]

Its more old armored core tbh

[quick crest]

what 👽

[hollow fog]

ok but listen, tethryn + bow is pretty power fantasy lmao

[civic heath]

before the crazy speed

[sudden fjord]

yeah rivens were kind of a response to the ongoing powercreep that was not really improving, idk if that really suits the argument that soulframe is early into it all

[mystic isle]

You are powerful. But your enemies are also fairly meaty.

[sudden fjord]

they're as meaty as a tofu burger

[visual gorge]

How is it not a power fantasy? I stun a group of enemies with the stone spell, and then one shot them with heavy attack from a polearm.

[strange smelt]

Made by Fromsoft, the studio that fathered the entire souls genre

Fromsoft-like?

[grand horizon]

yeah i get that too like i wanna feel the presence of death you know?

[visual gorge]

I find it hard to say that the game is souls-like at this moment.

[civic heath]

More just Git-gud-like

[visual gorge]

It's very just aesthetic souls-like, not rly fundamental gameplay mechanics.

[mystic isle]

And then you get comboed to death or have insane lightning spam/animation lock.

[sudden fjord]

My favorite souls-like, Kingdom Hearts 1

[civic heath]

You cant kill the dogs

And that leads to a funny bug with wolf pact

[shy lodge]

does this have the same replayability as warframe

[smoky crater]

heeeeell no

[civic heath]

You see, all you have to do is, break the helmet and then press 3

[steady linden]

It's much earlier in development

[civic heath]

the dog, will now kill you and you cant stop it

[smoky crater]

far from it. the game's in pre-alpha

[visual gorge]

The replayability at this moment is questionable. Having to wait 3h to farm a boss again.

[steady linden]

Closed beta or alpha type of stage

[civic heath]

Pre alpha stage

[lilac cape]

Is purity the strongest GS?

[mystic isle]

Atm kind of? I mean if you max everything then there’s not much to do obviously.

[late garden]

He said it's like Armored Core. What, aren't you tearing through Midrath in your mech yet? I know I have. Nearly beat the game ever since I got the Mech Pact.

[civic heath]

The base of the game aint even fully built yet

[shy lodge]

in the future will it be around the same? or does nobody know

[civic heath]

Litterly reworking tutorial quests level of missing base

[smoky crater]

absolutely nothing known

[mystic isle]

Nobody knows.

[shy lodge]

alr ty

[sudden fjord]

honestly they should give the Ode mechs

[rain spade]

Say it again for the people in the back who can't hear/understand.... PRE-ALPHA....

[mystic isle]

They had a mod system and completely cut it out so anything is up in the air.

[grand horizon]

So right now consider pre-alpha like a "come test out an early build of our game!" kinda stage, no real goals you just run around and see everything like a carnaval ride

[visual gorge]

Reworking tutorial levels quests level of missing base is kinda indicative of well... not having a vision for the game?

[strange smelt]

Ngl what's the replayability in warframe
Not sure if i've just played too long but none of the missions feel particularly enjoyable to redo
Loving soulframe so far since getting on and killing some enemies for no reason is oddly satisfying

[wicked anchor]

We already have a dude with an exoskeleton

[civic heath]

Litterly playing the tutorial with side quests

[steady linden]

They just added most of the weapon customlzation things, along armor dyes, yeah we're pretty early in development

[late garden]

I mean, do the devs know? I hope the devs know...

[smoky crater]

not really?

[civic heath]

Its like playing cyberpunk but never getting johnny silverhand

[quick crest]

still working on the gossamer quartz to craft it :/

[tulip pumice]

I do love just jumping into random missions to punch people with Atlas

[sudden fjord]

also yeah afaik the tutorial quests are identical to how they used to be there's now just a quest marker that leads to them

[mystic isle]

My blood for some scrap metal Jesus H Christ

[grand horizon]

if we could all share one braincell for 2 seconds, does anyone actually think this is a good way to communicate about something

[late garden]

You have to farm doggos, the armour plates that fall off them, you collect them to make your armoured Mech hull

[visual gorge]

Communicate about what?

[late garden]

Secret Pact

[strange smelt]

True
Used to love Zephyr

[grand horizon]

exactly.

[civic heath]

Old armored core was slower and more tactical combat rather than the new I move at 400kmh+ weigh 500tons and am 3-4 storys tall

[steady linden]

Isn't there like a whole nee NPC for the tutorial? Your grandpa?

[smoky crater]

[visual gorge]

Got a good chuckle out of me.

[quick crest]

where is patches?

[rain spade]

The expectations of a PRE-ALPHA to a polished game like Warframe are WILD in here.... Crazy....

[mystic isle]

This statement needs so much context

[steady linden]

Trueeee

[civic heath]

In armored core 6... his name is... Waltah

[strange smelt]

Have you seen Pluribus

[smoky crater]

people look at the graphics and go "oh this is like beta about to be released, i don't care if it's talked about as a pre-alpha that's not what it looks like "

[steady linden]

Tbf, AC slowed for 5-6, the speed of 4/For Answer was blistering

[civic heath]

The game looks good bc they can steal warframe rigging

[quick crest]

for answer combat was, of course, the best

[civic heath]

Use mage secondary its litterly just the Nyx stance

[grand horizon]

Right now i think this whole thing is revolving around what this game is, what's available and armored core, and then people giving up asking anything because the armored core goblins are crawling out because it was mentioned and then some more confused people trying to figure out what "pre-alpha" is

[strange smelt]

aka people generally don't think or read or get context

[grand horizon]

god i miss aim.....

[late garden]

Honestly, the graphics are fine, but the movement/models feel placeholder-y to me still, so it definitely screams Alpha shit, idk how people think this is a Beta. lol

[mystic isle]

Like weapon wise I think we’re in a good place? We just need s’more variety.

[smoky crater]

they also do it the other way around. some stuff they do for Soulframe get ported to Warframe. kinda like the TAA blurriness fixes iirc

[tribal mantle]

which keyboard to press? I really dont khow

[mystic isle]

Like a Spirit Bow. I would kill for a spirit Bow.

[late garden]

it's 3

[meager bobcat]

the one corresponding to the slot the dust is in??

[smoky crater]

i meant the graphics part as "oh the graphics are this good"