gameplay-discussion

[tropic nacelle]

Like warframe

[static zinc]

Ode Tempest is invincible pact, Bromius is also pretty tanky. I prefer melee and prefect throws tend to do a lot of damage.

Oh most definitely

[tropic nacelle]

That's the problem with DE, that put to much effort into every major update, and leave us wanting more(for reasons this is a half-joke, take your time with the gold quality.)

[uncut cape]

||i think its pretty hard to beat duviri in terms dark lore, its a lot of “childish “ways of rationalizing some really bad trauma in some really self destructive ways||

wait should i have spoilered that

[static zinc]

Yeah edit and put in spoiler mode please hahah

Or delete if you can’t

[uncut cape]

there we go

[static zinc]

But yeah people who say Druvi isn’t “dark” I feel just haven’t looked into Druvi lore

||and with KIM chats you can find out the Drifter basically made it into a long drawn out suicide practically||

(Depending on how you answer )

[uncut cape]

lore of duviri is very deep, people who look at the shallow waters see ||“cool fantasy world created by by the mind of a void touched child”|| when it very much could be used as a reference in a dissertation on psychology

plus its an amazing work of art, there is so much meaning and relations to be derived from it that its palpable

[solemn sequoia]

i remember there being a visor up style for the circade helmet does that not exist anymore

[lethal halo]

There is now a toggle emote on your wheel that will raise the visor of a few helmets

[solemn sequoia]

ohhhh ok cool

[distant jungle]

And you can right-click your helmet slot in the arsenal.

Both that and the emote do the same thing I believe.

[grizzled depot]

people who think Duviri isnt dark just skip cutscenes and just see the KIM UI, like the whole memes of ||Drifter having the time of their life while Operator battles space trauma and experiences childbirth||

[distant jungle]

They just didn't want two slots taken by every helmet with such an option.

[grizzled depot]

followup - which is funny cause ||Drifter literally gains the nickname of Space Trauma||

[pseudo crane]

I'M SORRY EXPERIENCES WHAT?!

[grizzled depot]

you should do the ||Jade Shadows|| quest

[pseudo crane]

oh that

ok that makes sense

[tiny jackal]

Stalker daddy

Best cosplay oat, never forget

[pseudo crane]

I... hate these words

[grizzled depot]

I love those words XD

[digital fog]

i ain't getting that bear chest piece any time soon.
the one time i did, it got stuck under tree roots. the chest piece must have some kind of low drop rate, it has to.

[pseudo crane]

no joke though, beginiing of my Warframe career, a buddy of mine and i were in a call, and one of us said stalker... the lights in both our houses flickered

[tiny jackal]

Must’ve been a sign

[uncut cape]

i thought you were talking about|| how the second dream quest was an innuendo for the operator being birthed||

[pseudo crane]

it was back when we were scared of him

[grizzled depot]

I still remember the first time I found him (well, that's backwards) and got very startled lol

also had the older voice actor, I really, really wish they kept the old lines until after that quest

[charred fossil]

Have DE noted what map improvements are coming? I'm honestly less than thrilled with having to constantly use SoulMap for basic functionality outside the game.

[queen kayak]

Is there a prerequisite to get sub bosses to appear like mini quests or something?

[tiny jackal]

I’m just hoping we get icons for world bosses 😭

Or at least the ability to pin locations of our choice

[grizzled depot]

i dont think so, bosses are just there

[charred fossil]

I'd like my Faction to stop disappearing whenever I'm not 50 feet from the door.

[plucky junco]

i've heard that the waste bear conflicts with some sub-bosses spawning since the encounters take place in the same locations

[queen kayak]

Neat. I haven't played since 10 and am seeing a lot of new things with this new update. Thanks!

[grizzled depot]

careful, some can be a bit tough xD

[tiny jackal]

The humble tethren one shot

[grizzled depot]

I prefer carrying weapons to level and show them what happens when a bear drops on top a couple times

[tiny jackal]

Still haven’t gotten the bear pact yet

Just using tethren and the wolf one atm

[thorn cipher]

can we go in the fortress at the bottom of the map yet?

[grizzled depot]

the big castle in the south? you can always go in, but there's nothing in there to pick up and such

[thorn cipher]

how do you get in it, the doors are shut

[grizzled depot]

hm? I always got in around and such, been a while but no it wasnt through doors

[thorn cipher]

they patched the holes in the wall \

[grizzled depot]

oh, maybe i should take a peek

I am actually close

[thorn cipher]

yea lmk

[grizzled depot]

wow beautiful invisible wall haha

[thorn cipher]

cant get in?

[grizzled depot]

there is a very noticeable invisible wall on the west bridge going from bordering the castle wall, I would be able to jump in perfectly fine otherwise

thats quite lame ngl

had to /unstuck from here, I remember I was able to run along the border

command actually sent me before bordering the wall, quite the push backwards

[gray quarry]

any1 having trouble getting orengals fang to drop from chests?

[plucky junco]

i've had a couple drop today, i think it's just a bit rare

[lethal halo]

Gold glow chests with blue flowers printed on them, or the big metal ode chests that are like a cylinder with sharp rings.
Anything you do will lead you to such chests. Just keep playing and be patient envoy.
If the carrot you are after isn't within your grasp look for something you enjoy doing and do that for a while. You may find it in your lap not too long later.

[plucky junco]

orengall's fang specifically only comes from rare chests in the glade though
right now, it's something that you mostly have to target if you want it

[uncut cape]

orengall’s fang comes from glades

[charred fossil]

Am I built wrong or can Bannerets easily 2-shot you

That pommel strike > backhand combo kills me instantly.

[acoustic gate]

Hello

[plucky junco]

you can try getting better armour and investing in totems if you haven't already, but i think a part of it is that they're just really strong 🥹

[digital fog]

i remember when i first encountered him, he had the Braton Vandal. promptly ended me there

[charred fossil]

I last played in P9 and have no idea about Totems, if I'm being honest

[grizzled depot]

excuse me he had what

[plucky junco]

it's basically the animals running around in the wild - you can charm them and get totems, which you slot into weapons, and some of them give extra defense

[grizzled depot]

you can also free them for a totem now

[charred fossil]

Oh. I was under the impression that I was unlocking codex stuff - I had no clue that those could be added to weapons. My dumb self was out here all "hehe bunny likes flute"

[digital fog]

i joined in update 7 (2013)
he used to hold a Braton Vandal

[grizzled depot]

I also realised you need more dust than Toni Montana's stack to upgrade everything

[grizzled depot]

well no wonder they said he was way scarier back then

[digital fog]

yeah!
though he didn't drop anything back then when you defeated him.

[charred fossil]

(I remember when the Grineer spoke english.)

[grizzled depot]

wha? he was just punishment?

[digital fog]

"don't talk about my mother"

[charred fossil]

Yeah, he'd roll in and either fail your mission for you or be a speedbump depending on your build

"Formation bravo" /stacks 3 grineer on top of eachother because there's only one spawn node on the tile

[digital fog]

the enemies used to hit harder too

[grizzled depot]

that's so weird then, I guess it was for stopping people grinding assassination or something

[charred fossil]

Sort of. I had to kill Lech Kril 300+ times for Frost Systems. Stalker was, for a long while, just a "if you kill a boss, a bigger boss will hunt you down and ruin your mission if you're not careful" thing

[digital fog]

remember when Vor was just a baton unit?

or the grineer melee units who had sawblades as weapons?

[errant root]

Ghouls still have saws

[grizzled depot]

I joined warframe 2 years ago when whispers in the walls, so I had to remember why i didnt join it when it released and then look at how much it had changed

[charred fossil]

I picked up WF in 2013... I remember many things.

[errant root]

I joined back in beta, ahhh I dont miss og parkour.

[digital fog]

well yeah, but im more talking just the regular melee grineer who had saws for hands.

[errant root]

Ohhh

[charred fossil]

The Lotus used to be a PNG.

[grizzled depot]

if you wonder why i didnt join it was the whole limited lifes and paying for extras <_<

[digital fog]

lots of comms were PNGs

[errant root]

And you had to slot powers like mods.

[digital fog]

i remember the lives system.

[digital fog]

i never understood why they did that in the first place tbh. seems rather silly.

[charred fossil]

I remember when the Snipetron was the king of all content.

[errant root]

I remember when they finally added being able to change your frame's colors lol.

[grizzled depot]

what I saw was the old skill tree

and I wonder if that's what we will be going with when they redesign the ones we got lol

[charred fossil]

Okay, back to SF - are Joineries basically Sorta-Forma?

[plucky junco]

sort of 😉

only blessed ones change attunement and reset the rank though

the other ones you can just stick onto your weapons for the bonuses i think

[grizzled depot]

kinda, you just use it once with the biggest and baddest of them all, we kinda mentioned why have different categories that are lesser but still got the whole rusted stuff and such...

[charred fossil]

🤔 I'm wondering how one gets more points in their Pact tree, if it can be done. I've seen guides saying to take more nodes than you can possibly take.

Same with weapon arts. I have so few points despite leveling 2 swords.

[errant root]

Grind grind grind

[grizzled depot]

too many swords, i got extra points with full trees ugh

[charred fossil]

Is there something I can do to add more than 30 points to a max-level pact, then?

[distant jungle]

Pacts get more points as they level up, they cap out and you cannot get any more.

Weapons give you 5 per maxed member of that grip-type.

[grizzled depot]

no, there is nothing past 30 idk whats this extra points stuff

[errant root]

My shiny new sidearm is just leveling constantly while I fight lvl20+ dudes with my Odica

[digital fog]

polished pretty much the be all end all for joineries.
i been grabbing the blessed joineries so i can slap it on all the none courage scaling weapons.

[charred fossil]

Hm. Handful of guides out there are just lying to me then. Seems like you'd need more than 30 points to do what some of them suggest. I'll ignore those then.

[grizzled depot]

I wish I could carry the extra sword points there ngl lol

[distant jungle]

Do keep in mind that if it's not from avakot.org then you shouldn't trust it.

That is the officially supported community wiki and the only reliable one.

[charred fossil]

I'll avakeep that in mind.

[distant jungle]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Haven't seen that one before actually.

I am mildly amused by it.

[uncut glacier]

is stability just a pretend stat?
Maxxing it out with everything I possibly can and having exactly zero investment towards it has the same result: Shit I am sick to death of knocking my guy around

don't notice any different at all

suprised the game is getting a Steel Path before anything else

[plucky junco]

i think it does have an effect, but i haven't really played around with it personally

i know that you can stack a bit more with some totems if you need to

[uncut glacier]

did that

like I said I maxed it out

[plucky junco]

i'm not too sure then, sorry

i just felt like it helped me with some minor attacks from enemies, but i haven't done any testing or anything

[uncut glacier]

yeah I thought stacking stability would make Mora's hand more usable than a cosmetic

But thanks to the 800 year animations and every enemy having 12 grenades and a firing squad of explosive arrows it's kinda unusable in way more encounters than I'd like

[grizzled depot]

I would stack normal defense with mora ngl

and make sure only regular hits are what get you

[distant jungle]

Stabiliy makes your stagger bar go up more slowly, which means you're gonna be hard stunned less often.

It's not Dark Souls 1 poise, heavy attacks are still gonna knock you around.

[uncut glacier]

It's not really practical it's faster to just not use the abilities and go for spectral strikes

[distant jungle]

Mora's Hand in particular is either bugged or incomplete as it lacks scaling and is overall very lacking.

So anything you experience there will be an outlier for most things.

[grizzled depot]

for mora the main strategy is getting hit and just that

[uncut glacier]

I can tell it's placeholder but I'm concerned because I don't think buffs will make it feel better, I can't see a future where it's fun

[grizzled depot]

also uh, why when i went out of glades i got into a faction quest? xD aaaand its canceled

[distant jungle]

I mean, if it did damage and the 3 did anything I can see it being fine.

The problem is that it just doesn't have payoff.

[drowsy zodiac]

Is the event still happening and if so, where do I go to find the recipes for them?

[distant jungle]

The 1 would be great, if it did damage.

[plucky junco]

they've said that most pacts need more work at some point, and mora's hand comes up a lot so i think it'l lbe addressed at some point

[versed spoke]

Anyone know how to get Triune Talisman fragments? I have the Dusk, Dawn, and Midnight talismans.

[plucky junco]

for the masks, the fragments just drop from scarecrows in the overworld

[uncut glacier]

I can usually see the vision in the pacts and I'm really excited for them to be the best version of themselves

[grizzled depot]

scarecrows in NW, NE and S for the 3 masks, divide the map that way

[plucky junco]

this is the map that's been shared around a few times that should be roughly accurate

[distant jungle]

They have general spawn tendencies, Poppa is largely in the north but I've found it in the far west very often, Zook is common in the south, and Crone tends to be popular in the west, though I personally had to go south for it.

[grizzled depot]

wow poppa reaches that much?

[plucky junco]

i don't remember the exact sequence for that, but i think if you have the separate talismans, you'll have to equip each of them and wait for the ambushes that happen at specific times in the overworld

[versed spoke]

But beware, you will be followed by ghosts when you wear the masks. (Zook has pretty good Stability stats)

[distant jungle]

The ghosts spawn either way when you break event stuff.

They aren't specifically linked to wearing the masks.

[versed spoke]

the ambushes aren't guaranteed after finishing crypt runs? dang

[plucky junco]

they're supposed to be guaranteed at specific times, depending on which one you have equipped

sometimes it doesn't seem to work though

[distant jungle]

Poppa can be found anywhere on the map, it just has some form of tendency, as most have experienced.

People have also found all 3 along the far west coast and someone farmed all of them without leaving the SW area around King's goop zone.

For me, Poppa has always been common in the north and in the west around curlail.

[grizzled depot]

wow, just wow then

[distant jungle]

I didn't get Crone until I wandered south and farmed around the Wraith's mini goop area.

[plucky junco]

for me, the moment i headed slightly south of the kith of kings enclave, i started getting the zook mask

then i headed slightly north and started getting crone masks

maybe there's some randomness involved, but to be honest, unless you want to try and document it, it's fine to just generally wander around the general area until you get what you need

[remote talon]

I’m doing the Orengall quest where you need to free the pups but I’m stuck. My guide doesn’t take me anywhere. I’ve tried reading online but couldn’t find an answer. It’s been since September since I played so I’m not sure if maybe I just forgot something but if anyone can help I’d greatly appreciate it

[plucky junco]

there's a section of the fable where it disappears from your journal for a while, are you up to that part by any chance?

[remote talon]

It’s still showing in my Journal currently. It says “Free Orengall’s Pups” but I don’t know what to do from here.

[plucky junco]

sorry, i wish i could help more, but i can't recall if the fable breaks commonly at that point or if there are any workarounds
i know that a couple people who encountered something similar recently though... if nobody has a solution and it's really stuck, you might have to make a bug report or contact support to get your account looked at

[thorn cipher]

is there any way to get more arcs?

[plucky junco]

not at the moment

[remote talon]

Thank you for trying! I’ll keep playing for a while to see if I come across something that I possibly missed and contact support if I can’t figure it out 👍🏼

[dapper rain]

@remote talon ill come if u want i tend to be lucky 😉

really im trapped in synod skytower and i try to hitch a ride.. lol

[versed spoke]

Not yet, but P12 (November 25th) will add a Founder's Pack, which gives a lot of Arcs. But other than Founders, there's no way to get Arcs yet.

[tardy wigeon]

Hiiii quick question when I log into the game, why does it say I have mail but when I look, I can’t find the mailbox

[distant jungle]

The small ones each give a thousand, yeah, and the great big one a grand total of 3,500.

A thousand from each pack and 500 added on top.

[plucky junco]

that's a bug, there's no actual in-game mailbox currently

[upbeat eagle]

havent played in a while, are builds a thing yet?

[plucky junco]

i think kind of, but not really, depending on how you look at it
most builds involve stacking as much of a certain thing as possible, which is usually courage...

[grizzled depot]

so uh, is this a common bug that i can watch the whole map of a dungeon?

[thick sphinx]

Hey guys quick question , is the mask event expiring soon or?

[plucky junco]

they said it would go until the next update, so it seems like it will

preludes 12 is scheduled for november 25

[thick sphinx]

aha i see , the only time limited material is the wintersquash seed right? the other materials are available permanently?

[plucky junco]

it should be the seeds and the fragments for the three different masks

[thick sphinx]

Alright , thank you!

[plucky junco]

best of luck

[crimson sand]

just curious on what fellow bow users think the best totems are

[cursive lotus]

it's kind of messed up that there's still exactly one grace pact lol

in contrast there are four courage pacts and three spirit pacts

[shrewd gazelle]

so, do the joineries change the attunement of your weapons?

it kinda looks like that might be the case but i wanna check and see

[lethal halo]

Joinery up to Polished will not change the attunment or reset your weapon level.
Blessed Joinery will change the weapons attunement to the listed virtue and reset its level.

[shrewd gazelle]

yeye, thats what i was assuming

good to know, opens up options quite a bit

[solemn sequoia]

nearly caught up on all my weapon fragments, just gotta get these mockery ones now

oop im forgetting 2 polearms too

[brave hatch]

I want the 2 flyblades badly, but no luck

[solemn sequoia]

precklies used to be 3 fragments

i believe in you youll get em

[brave hatch]

Why didn't i receive the 3 moonsteel threads?

[digital path]

Technically there will be 2 grace pacts, 5 courage pacts, and 4 spirit pacts once preludes 12 drops

[solemn sequoia]

everybody gets one

i wonder if rood was supposed to be grace?

[plucky junco]

it used to be... a long time ago

[solemn sequoia]

i wonder why they changed it

think it fits it better than spirit especially with the lore and descriptions

same for orengall that feels very grace

[distant jungle]

I don't think it ultimately matters too much, as the +5 from a pact is very much a small portion of your stats eventually.

And it'll only grow smaller with time as MR gets higher.

So it's kind of just flavor.

[solemn sequoia]

fair

[distant jungle]

And I guess only Sirin really fits that.

[solemn sequoia]

hey speaking of virtues how do yall usually allocate those? i usually just dump stat on whatever virtue my weapon needs

[distant jungle]

I have 44 Courage.

And nothing else.

[solemn sequoia]

ive got 26 in courage but ill get more someday

[upbeat eagle]

whats the go to pact + weapons rn?

[plucky junco]

i think if you want an easy time, ode tempest, tethren and bromius are popular picks
they're all fairly decent though

[dusty hatch]

where does wyrmwort drop?

[final river]

any tips for a newbie? ive got a fair bit of warframe experience

[distant jungle]

Most, at least the largest chunk, is MR. I have 20 assignable virtue points right now.

So you'll get there.

[sand stump]

what's max level currently

[plucky junco]

i think it's fine to figure things out as you go if you understand that it's a pre-alpha and things can be a bit incomplete or buggy
if you want specific help, there are a few decent resources around the net, like the wiki and map at avakot.org for example

[plucky junco]

for pacts and weapons, it should be 30
for your mastery envoy rank thingy, i think it's 16 currently

[sand stump]

👌

[distant jungle]

16 and about 40%-ish if you didn't level the old Fey pact, which is still being counted.

Which makes me sadge.

[sand stump]

yeah I started playing this prelude so 0% chance

[plucky junco]

i doubt it's going to stay that way forever

[distant jungle]

Only bumps you to like 60%-ish but it's still sadge.

And yeah, it'll probably be fixed eventually, but it's been a bug for as long as that pact hasn't existed.

Which is a while.

[sand stump]

Precklies drop from the Ode Archers right

or is it the knife throwers

[plucky junco]

i think it's the archers

[sand stump]

I regret selling my precklies to make space for other weapons

before I learnt of how terrible they were to farm

[stark nexus]

yo where can i farm fire fungus

[plucky junco]

i think that's one of those that appear all over the place, but kind of randomly... but don't quote me on that

[stark nexus]

i see

cant seem to run into one

[versed spoke]

Oscelda actually has really good CC and the petrify ability lets you do massive damage

[patent summit]

my petwify kinda jus wets me cast a single heavy attac :o

[thick sphinx]

Is there only a few fables that are replayable?

[plucky junco]

about 3-ish of them right now i think

[thick sphinx]

I see

[thorn cipher]

can you fully max out you pact or is 30 points max so you have to pick what upgrades suit you best

[plucky junco]

30 points is the max i think, you do have to pick and choose

[thorn cipher]

what about your weapons?

can you fullmax those out?

[plucky junco]

i think some of them like the daggers you can since there are so many of them

[digital path]

I think the closest you can get is with small blades since there's seven but even then

I don't think 35 points is enough to max the tree

[plucky junco]

each unique weapon gives 5 points for the tree

[digital path]

And at that point, is there even really builds or are we just maxing every tree

[plucky junco]

that's fair, i didn't actually check yet, i had a few daggers i haven't levelled yet 😇

[digital path]

I got lucky and back when I played during preludes 9? Verminia had just dropped. I farmed the Vadagar stag while it was still an overworld boss that was always up if you relogged

So I had royal tines when I picked it back up a week ago

Farming vadagar is such a pain now

[unique crypt]

which sidearm am I missing? it looks like Nettle, which I obviously already have crafted, and as far as I can see I should have them all. UI bug maybe?

[digital path]

There's only the 6 atm

[unique crypt]

must be a UI bug then

thanks 🙂

[digital path]

Np

[grizzled depot]

Yeah its 6 sidearms, no Preckles 2

[digital path]

If you run a bow with the headshot modifier and max attunement level (usually 23 in the relevant stat) you can pop bosses for over 1000 to the head on a perfect shot

Just get Juniper and use the upgrade that attunes it to spirit along with the headshot bonus and go ham

[solemn sequoia]

when sitting in the nightfold how long does it take to respawn enemies?

[distant jungle]

You can linearly go higher too as charges shots do not have the same attunement cap.

So charged shots from a bow will get linearly stronger the more points you dump in their attuned virtue.

This is also true for weapon throws.

[digital path]

OH REALLY

Well shoot

[distant jungle]

Yes, and the cap is high enough that it cannot currently be reached.

[digital path]

What, 50 or something?

[grizzled depot]

a question about joineries, Feybalt's "consecutive damage" is just for the main attack stream? or is with each hit, even if you stop?

[distant jungle]

At least in the 70s.

[digital path]

Okay I'll be the first to say they're gonna require a lot of grind to get to endgame

[distant jungle]

And the normal attunement cap is anywhere from low 20s to high 30s on average, it's not standard.

Each weapon has their own.

[digital path]

And idk how I feel about that unless we start getting items that give us like +20 to stats and we cap at account level 30

[distant jungle]

You can find what each's is on wiki.avakot.org fairly easily, they list it as a stat.

[grizzled depot]

yeah for staffs is quite funny, cause the starting staff has like 28 for cap while the other two have 10 less as cap

[distant jungle]

And the system will need to be refined down the line, otherwise a throw meta happens.

Charged shots and throws are the only things that scale that high, so give us more MR and more points, anything that doesn't have a good throw to spam is now considered bad.

[digital path]

So basically what I'm hearing is there's going to be a light blade, bow, and staff meta

My three favorite weapon types - fecking beautifullll

[grizzled depot]

i know i am using grinn as sidearm lol <_<u

[distant jungle]

I don't thing staves have an attack that counts as a throw or charged shot.

So more like sidearm light blade, bow, polearm, shield maybe if we get another one.

[digital path]

No but the consequetive attack buff gives the staff insane damage because it stacks like 9 times or something ridiculous

At +25 damage per hit, if you're in a boss fight...

And teammates are taking aggro?

[distant jungle]

Which is strong in its own right I suppose, yeah. I can see amped throws surpassing it though.

At least generally.

[grizzled depot]

so consecutive attack is from just normal attack?

[digital path]

It's all attacks

If you swing your staff, and it hits, your next attack that hits (if you didn't miss one) does 25 more damage

[grizzled depot]

thats more interesting then

[digital path]

It makes heavy charge spam melt bosses

[distant jungle]

I don't think it climbs with every hit, but it does climb fast due to the standing attack speed boost.

And the ideal playstyle is light spam to climb it fast.

[digital path]

It's per consecutive hit- the other things in the game that specific a specific type of attack say "for standard attacks"

[distant jungle]

That's how you get magick weapons to kill bosses in 3-4 seconds like melees can.

[grizzled depot]

guess i need more feybalts lol they havent dropped for me

[digital path]

Farm stag

That's how I'm getting all of mine

[grizzled depot]

now that i am done leveling weaponry and got all runes I suppose its time to get that and dust then

[grizzled depot]

tomorrow it is and finally not forced to carry stuff (so many swords aaaa)

[digital path]

Lol

[grizzled depot]

thats either a lot of shares or a ton of playtime

[digital path]

Neither

I've been playing a week, I just have godly RNG rn

[grizzled depot]

well lucky you i also just changed back to Alca's so in a week i only got 1 rune each XD (granted i stopped doing every boss i got all loot from)

[digital path]

Speaking of playtime, playtime counter when

[solemn sequoia]

any1 got tips for farming mockeries

[sand stump]

throw stuff at their heads

[ember plume]

does anyone have a map of all the trees

brain fart moment

[lament hearth]

Please no. I enjoy not seeing my playtime 😄 . I guess I play to much already I don't want proof of it anyone can point at.

[sand stump]

dont worry about that island top left it's inaccessible

[ember plume]

you legend thanks

[lament hearth]

When do faction quests spawn? I play coop with a friend he's with the roses fellas and has 2-3 quests each time we end on. I'm with the avocados (or whatever) and I sometimes need to wait 10+ minutes for faction quests to spawn 🙁

[solemn sequoia]

i mean like spots to farm them, been trying to get da swords

[sand stump]

Idk I just kind of got them by playing

but glades tend to have them inside

[dusty hatch]

if the wiki is right you cant regularly farm weapon drops from them, they seem to be bugged to only drop parts when using the pickpocket skill of one of the pacts. not sure if thats still true

[regal shadow]

that was fixed in one of the recent hotfixes

[patent summit]

:o takez note

[fair wharf]

Three quick questions:

1. Is the reputation limit still 5'000 even after reaching rank 5?
   (to grind for the future or in order to buy many items at once)
2. Does the item/fragments 'Precklies' even exist?
   (killed hundreds of Archers/Hunters and still nothing)
3. Does pickpocket; especially when maxed out; change/lower the quality of possible loot since enemies; with the exception of mockeries; do not drop anything when killed after being pickpocketed?
   (got a pickpocket-spirit-build but it seems that aside of dracs and lower value drops I get worse loot when I pickpocket enemies)

[fossil helm]

If I have a waepon scaling with Spirit, should I invest ALL points I can into Spirit? Or do I still wants some Grace and Courage? Same with other weapons.

[sand stump]

I can only answer number 2, yes they exist, yes I regret selling my precklies before knowing how god awful the drop rate was

[solemn sequoia]

ive gotten 2 parts for 2 different weapons from just killing random ones ive found

[patent summit]

dewre a cap, kinda. type da weapon name an me wook it up 4 u owo

[dusty hatch]

new weapons though, or old ones?

[regal shadow]

limit is still 5k, yes, precklies do exist, i have them, just the drop % is abysmal still, as for pickpcket, upgrading it only decreases the amount of time it takes loot to drop afaik

[solemn sequoia]

the newer ones that are rusty

[dusty hatch]

good to know, thank you!

[plucky junco]

sorry wrong ping

[dusty hatch]

great, so you should get them naturally while doing endless runs

[plucky junco]

i think the mockeries in the endless tile don't drop them though

[digital path]

Hearing "newer" and "rusty" in the same sentence made my brain do a full reset to comprehend

[dusty hatch]

wow thats odd. they always dropped all old wepaons

[plucky junco]

i think it was a recent change, they don't even seem to drop potions any more

[sand stump]

they do not

[digital path]

The only mockeries that drop those 3 weapons are the purple ones now

[sand stump]

they indeed do not

[dusty hatch]

bummer

[sand stump]

no the regular ones still do even if they dont have a weapon or armour

just not in the endless tile

[digital path]

Wait really?

[sand stump]

Yeah I got a tessard frag from one

[fair wharf]

Weapons only scale to a certain amount (with the exception of weapon-throw and charged shots) with their attuned virtue.
Most of the pact-abilities scale with different virtues (courage = damage, spirit = duration, grace = range).
You can test it out if you in- or decrease a certain virtue and hover over your weapon to see when its damage stops scaling.

[fossil helm]

well right now I swapped to Blitzel, so I guess I need as much courage as i can get

[patent summit]

ur cap 21

[fossil helm]

oooh, okay, i see

[patent summit]

so when u hit 21, u gud :3

gooble avakot org an dat da gud wiki

[sand stump]

so I shouldnt raise my stats past 21?

[patent summit]

u can, depending owo

[hollow geyser]

How do I get the other two starter weapons? I wasnt given them

[patent summit]

each weapon hassa diff cap

an heavy attacks havva sepewate cap owo

[plucky junco]

you should receive them from the fable at the start, but if you started a while ago, you might have to buy them from the factions

[distant jungle]

Heavy attacks no, I don't think, but charges shots and throws.

[patent summit]

yeh, dis

[distant jungle]

Since bows are like 95% charged shots, they benefit a lot from you just dumping points into a single virtue.

[patent summit]

me confuse self

[sand stump]

im just gonna keep my stats all in courage 👍

[hollow geyser]

I just started today and didnt get them. Guess i gotta buy em

[patent summit]

[fair wharf]

Should cover everything regarding virtue caps.

[fair wharf]

Check the chest near the tower where you found the Quill for 'The Last Pensive' fable - you should get the other starting weapons from that one.

[distant jungle]

Yeah it definitely exists in this version.

[fair wharf]

I started in P11 but forgot to loot the chest when I was doing 'The Last Pensive' fable.
When I found out I and went to check there was no chest in sight anymore (probably because I was 1 weapon near the slot cap).
After selling some weapons in order to make room I went there again but there was no chest to be found.
Even tho I am able to get them through reputation now, as a completionist/collector with severe ocd this kinda hurt >.<"

[distant jungle]

It's tied to the fable so once you unload the area and it's done, it just despawns.

[lament hearth]

Is there a benefit to level pacts if I don't like them? So for example I don't like the bear... is there something making it worthwhile to level it outside of fun playing it?

[plucky junco]

it does contribute to your mastery rank

[distant jungle]

Though that does bring up the question of if it'll pop up again if you replay that fable via the codex.

Idk if you can though.

[plucky junco]

i don't think that's one of the replayable fables, unfortunately

[distant jungle]

Thought so, yeah.

Skips over last pensive as the prelude to the torment stag I guess.

[lament hearth]

And mastery rank is good for?

[distant jungle]

Every MR you have is +1 assignable virtue point.

[plucky junco]

each rank gives one extra virtue point to spend

[patent summit]

viwrtues

[distant jungle]

At 16 you have 20 assignable.

[patent summit]

make u stwong

[distant jungle]

16 is the max right now.

The max being dependent on how much stuff there is to level for MR xp.

[lament hearth]

Yeah but aren't those only on if you have the Pact equipped?

[patent summit]

nu?

[lament hearth]

or is there another ingame mechanic I totaly missed? 😄

[plucky junco]

virtue points should be separate from pacts

[patent summit]

da pact give u some base stats

[distant jungle]

Your assigned virtues? Those are another system.

[patent summit]

buh u have ur own

[distant jungle]

Top right of your arsenal.

[lament hearth]

Ahhh those sure

[distant jungle]

A pact will give you 5 towards one of the three, but that'll be a minority of your total points.

Like me being at 44 Courage, 20 of them being assignable from base + MR.

[patent summit]

owr 9 me tink

both 5 an 9

dependin on da pact

[fair wharf]

The exception is the Oscelda pact which gives +9 spirit passively

[distant jungle]

If you talk about Oscelda, 9 was a bug, it's been fixed

They're all 5.

[patent summit]

:o

well, me still see it visually

[distant jungle]

Some guy came in asking about how that all worked and they were Oscelda with 8 spirit.

[patent summit]

so me confuzzled

[distant jungle]

Either way, if it's not 5 I don't think that's intended cus it's very out of place.

[lament hearth]

Yeah but maxing weapon ranks or pacts you don't activly use offers no benefit right?

[distant jungle]

It does, again, because it gives MR xp.

Which will get you more assignable virtue points.

[fair wharf]

Was it wrong on the avakot.wiki or did they fix it ingame recently?

[plucky junco]

apart from the extra points, you don't need to level them if you really don't want to

[distant jungle]

MR is your level on the top left.

[patent summit]

it also gibs combat arts

[plucky junco]

weapons do, yep

[patent summit]

nods

[lament hearth]

mastery is the number i nthe top left then?

[patent summit]

diff weaponz on da same type gib combat awrt skill pointz

[distant jungle]

Yes.

[patent summit]

yeh

[lament hearth]

and every x points I get one assaignable virtue point

[distant jungle]

Every level, yes.

[lament hearth]

so the more max rank stuff the more virtues in short

[distant jungle]

Yes.

[patent summit]

nodz

[lament hearth]

And the max is?

[patent summit]

16

[distant jungle]

16, as it's dictated by how many things there are to level.

As more things get added, the max increases.

[patent summit]

unlesa u mean 4 individual stuff wike weapons, dat 30

buh MR is 16

[distant jungle]

Having leveled up everything there is, you cap at about halfway through 16.

[regal shadow]

discovering locations also i believe gives some "mastery" xp, not just leveling stuff

[distant jungle]

Yeah, absorbing lore motes gives some MR xp.

So collect those too.

[lament hearth]

Now a different question... I see no difference between having 20 or 30 Spirit. No weapon dmg differences or cast dmg or coodlowns. What do virtues do outside of stat checks if you can wield something?

[patent summit]

it change depending on da weapon u use, but virtues also used 4 skills

[distant jungle]

A weapon only cares about what it's attuned to, and each one has a scaling cap except for charged shots from a bow or throws from melee weapons, which have their own, much higher cap. Your pact skills, however, also scale, though each has their own formula so mileage varies.

Courage increases power, Spirit duration, and Grace range.

Courage is by far the most common focus, and Grace the generally least useful, by a large degree.

[patent summit]

(some nu do anything, but dat alpha jank)

[lament hearth]

Using spirit gear and pact skills, hitting the same enemy type at the same level. No difference between having 10, 20 or 30 Spirit. I always deal roughly the same dmg.

[patent summit]

tell me weapon

[fair wharf]

Courage is the only virtue increasing ability damage

Spirit increases your duration of buffs and such

[distant jungle]

Well yeah that's what it does.

[lament hearth]

All spirit weapons I had so far, the daggers, the sword, that crappy curved blade and the starting stick

[patent summit]

plomp

[distant jungle]

I explained how it works above.

[fair wharf]

Same.

[patent summit]

it scales to a point, den stops

[fair wharf]

@lament hearth read this, should cover everything.

[lament hearth]

Oh okay so if I want my skills to do dmg I put points into courage? 😄

[patent summit]

yeh

if it a dmg skill

[distant jungle]

Base damage is pretty good across the board, but more damage is always useful.

[lament hearth]

But what about weapon dmg if weapons scale with spirit instead of courage?

[distant jungle]

Then you invest Spirit up to its scaling cap and then the rest into Courage, usually.

[lament hearth]

I like the starting spirit one to stunlock the world, makes the game rather easy

[distant jungle]

Or wait until you get a blessed joinery.

Which come with attunement overrides.

[lament hearth]

a what?

[distant jungle]

Joineries, you get them and use them at Tuvalkane in the reforge tab to attach them to a weapon, they give bonuses.

[patent summit]

max joinery, changes attunement of weapon

vewwy gud owo

[distant jungle]

The highest tiers are Polished and Blessed, the only difference being Blessed will come attuned to one of the three virtues.

It will override the attunement on a weapon and replace it with its own, changing what virtue it scales on.

[lament hearth]

Ahhh okay thx yeah I've seen one of those already

[patent summit]

an blessed wesets ur weapon lv

[fair wharf]

The other difference is that the 'blessed' one (which changes the virtue attunement) resets your weapon to rank 0 while the 'polished' does not.

[distant jungle]

Well yeah, but I was keeping it simple and speaking of the bonus it gives. You can only use a blessed at max level and it'll reset the weapon.

[lament hearth]

If you reset this way can you eran double mastery xp?

[distant jungle]

No, each weapon or pact only gives MR xp once.

So you can't make two of a specific sword for MR xp either.

It's only unique levels that are counted.

[fair wharf]

No you can only get 5 skillpoints per weapon if you get them to rank 30 once.

[distant jungle]

That too, for arts points.

Only earned once.

[lament hearth]

mastery offers skill points?

[patent summit]

rank 30 weaponz gib 5 combat awrt pointz. does skill points.

MR diff

[distant jungle]

Leveling a weapon for the first time gives both MR xp and weapon art points.

The latter is used in the per weapon category skill trees.

It's frontloaded through, you get like 4 out of 5 by level 21 or something.

But you still want to max them either way.

[lament hearth]

Okay I think I have the full picture now thx 🙂

New player experience has some holes in it as it seems 😄

[patent summit]

yeh

[smoky crater]

Gonna get a lotta changes with P12 on tuesday

[upbeat eagle]

guys whats the best armor rn? havent played in like half a year

[patent summit]

a confoosing question 2 b suwre

[distant jungle]

Best 3.6 sets are Mendicant, Orengall, Mockery, and Arbearer.

[lament hearth]

Nah it's fine :). I guess it's something you get behind when you use some brainpower on it. I'm at my first coffee so brain power is out of the picture and I'M in my "Not the sharpest tool in the shed" mode.

[distant jungle]

I say 3.6 cus the head and pants of Arbearer are good, the chest is not for some reason.

So it's Mendicant, Orengall, Mockery, and Arbearer minus the chest slot which is a few points behind.

[patent summit]

medicant king gotta wotta physical def

[smoky crater]

Self exploration do work aswell ye

[patent summit]

u can also balance armour usin totemz

[upbeat eagle]

whats 3.6

[distant jungle]

This.

Instead of the 4 best sets it's the 3.66 best sets.

Cus a third of one of the sets isn't that great.

[upbeat eagle]

ok now what are totems

ah god i need someone to hop on and help me

[patent summit]

@upbeat eagle me suggest gooble avakot org, click da wiki, click 'armor' den look through em all

totems awre fwom saving/chawrming animalz

dey assignes 2 a wandom weapon type an me feel confused just thinking babout it

[fair wharf]

Perhaps a dumb followup question but I am not able to remember correctly.
Are the different joineries (aside of gildaur) tied to 1. weapon-type, 2. weapon-attunement (actual, even if already "blessed") or 3. weapon-attunement (original)?
If we take the Juniper bow (grace) as an example:

1. blessed quicksilver -> reforge to courage attunement = only able to reforge it with another quicksilver (weapon-type)
2. blessed quicksilver -> reforge to courage attunement = only able to reforge it with a verite (weapon-attunement, actual)
3. blessed quicksilver -> reforge to courage attunement = only able to reforge it with another quicksilver (weapon-attunement, original)
   I put all my hopes into your expertise on this one @distant jungle

[patent summit]

it a big system dat u should look at da wiki to find out

[patent summit]

me know dey nu wurk on all weapon types, buh me dunno which to wut

me looked it up, gildaur wurk on all weapons. da otherz r specific.

[distant jungle]

The joineries are tied to type.

Quicksilver for bows, Verite for melee (though Gildaur is just better), and Feybalt for magick weapons.

Gildaur can be applied unversally but Quicksilver and Feybalt get better mileage.

[lament hearth]

I can't wait for the 25th... the dissapearing compass drives me nutz

[distant jungle]

Mood.

[patent summit]

YUSH

[regal shadow]

no guarantee they change that tho, it has been like that for a long time

[patent summit]

dey said dey fixed compass

on da dev stweam

[fair wharf]

So it is in fact my expected 1. option - thank you for pulling me out of the fog <(^.^<)

[distant jungle]

One of the previewed little things is a setting to leave it permanently on.

So it's known for sure to be coming on the 25th.

[upbeat eagle]

what about uh

weapons and pacts

which ones the best ones?

[lament hearth]

BTW are sidearms worthwhile? Never equipped one

[plucky junco]

there's no harm in equipping one, they go into a separate slot

[split herald]

https://soulmap.avakot.org/P11

is this updated?

[distant jungle]

As far as I am aware, yes.

[patent summit]

weaponz is hawrd to say, buh da courage pacts vewwy stwonge

[distant jungle]

It'll be the most current one if more than one exists.

And I do think it is currently current.

[patent summit]

me wike spirit pacts, cuz me get magic wand owo

[rotund viper]

Let's leave thre "cringe cutlure" schtick in the early 2000s.

[split herald]

oh sorry, gonna delete that then UWU

[upbeat eagle]

WHAT SAP AM I SUPPOSED TO BE SEEKING

[patent summit]

bear quest?

[upbeat eagle]

ya

[patent summit]

use birb

it flies 2 it

it hawrd to see, it on bottom of twee

[upbeat eagle]

ohhh i see it now ty

[fair wharf]

Has anybody tested something like this.
Squad:
Protagonist = unsure about pact but has to have a virtue stacked to the maximum (everything including temporary buffs) + reforged Gathannan + perfect throw + headshot
Possible deuteragonist/confidant/sidekick 1 = Ode Tempest for Astra Sphere
Possible deuteragonist/confidant/sidekick 2 = Oscelda for Bestone debuff
Possible deuteragonist/confidant/sidekick 3 = Orengall for buff/s
(Perhaps the setup could be even further improved)
-> What would be the absolute maximum possible output of a single damage instance with a perfectly thrown headshot from a reforged Gathannan?

[patent summit]

so ur situation includes maintaining orengall wolves 4 da melee buff? owo

me wouldnt know da answer. jus wanna ask if da orengall melee buff pawrt of da equation.

[fair wharf]

I am not sure if what I proposed is even the highest single damage number you could possible achieve - therefore everything can be part of the equation.

[patent summit]

okie

[plucky junco]

the highest single number damage i ever had was about 30k, but that was using some old systems that don't exist any more...

[cedar kelp]

Is there any plan for PvP?

[plucky junco]

i don't think so, for now

we're not really sure if there will be in the future, but they've said they want to focus on pve and co-op for now

[odd pond]

so i have just completed the quest to my starter faction... now what should i do?

[patent summit]

use birb

[odd pond]

no directions/no quests in journals

[patent summit]

o

[odd pond]

that a bug or have i missed somehting?

[patent summit]

if it a bug, u can pwolly just relog and dat maybeep fix it

if u missed summin, me dunno

[plucky junco]

there's no direct follow-up to "an invitation" if that's what you did, it just unlocks the faction vendor and faction tales

[patent summit]

if u did da bear quest, dat da last one

[plucky junco]

there are some other fables, but they aren't necessarily in order and the game doesn't guide you to them directly

[odd pond]

yes i just finished 'an invitation'

i am new lol.. just started a day ago

[odd pond]

so should i just explore the world? (it would have been nice for followup quests/fables)

[patent summit]

(me old an da birb took me errywhere)

[plucky junco]

right, there are only a handful of story fables right now, and you kind of have to come across them as you wander around
if you want, you can probably look up a list to see if you're missing any though

[odd pond]

i can just complete them in any order withouht the lore being dmged?

[halcyon thicket]

No you'll only be able to do them in order

[odd pond]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-jeff-bridges-jeffrey-lebowski-the-dude-stir-gif-4685331

[patent summit]

me also confoozed. haz u been to tall tower?

[odd pond]

yesh

i fought the ghost which unlocks the faction area.. idk what to do after..

[patent summit]

me dunno da faction sequence for new players, buh u talk to tower guy next owo

and dat start ur next big quest

[odd pond]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-gif-20710889

ill just go on a rampage then..

[plucky junco]

sorry, some fables do have a sequence - invitation is supposed to happen after torment stag, and the waste bear is supposed to be after of brewer of hues, but apart from that, i think most other stuff can be done in any order

[upbeat eagle]

guys how do i get past this?

nevermind i found it

[fossil helm]

umm, ive just unlocked a skill in Bow tree regarding... arrow types? what's this about, do I change arrow type somehow?

[upbeat eagle]

nah its just buff

[mild mason]

You might have to change your angle. Also you can try to use arrow rain to hit it (secondary attack) that's how I did it from this angle

[blissful saddle]

The controls changed for controller, right? I swear they were different before, i got back after a while and it's really weird to play now, how can i change back to what it was, is there an option for legacy controls?

[upbeat eagle]

is fast travel a thing already?

[upbeat eagle]

you can change keybind

[patent summit]

nu yet, it gunna b a consumable me think?

[upbeat eagle]

oh i see

how do i get more moonsteel threads?

[patent summit]

irl money me tink?

"Moonsteel Thread can be purchased from Avakot for 15 Arcs each, Soulframe's premium currency."

[upbeat eagle]

oh i see

[smoky crater]

Except you cant buy arcs yet

[boreal dove]

me wearing the same clothes for months with all my Moonsteel threads still

[normal sail]

yep sadly atm they're only premium currency, but they might work a free path system for it.

and they also didn't mention if the capitalism camel will bring users the ability to buy the premium resources

[novel sapphire]

Hi anyone have code for play

[boreal dove]

Bro don't spam channels.

[tawdry sorrel]

I was wondering , are there golden totems for all slots on a weapon or only one?

[tawdry sorrel]

on 25th you can buy acces to game if you don't have a key

[normal sail]

still locked to grip type

and i think that one grip type just flat out doesn't have gold totems for

[visual heron]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Join_Preludes

[tawdry sorrel]

so basicly if i have a golden rabbit on bow i cant have rat or goose as well

am i understanding this right?

[boreal dove]

Not all weapons have a rare totem, like short blondes only have common rarity

[dire helm]

yes, but you could put 3 golden rabbits on the bow if you just want 3 golds on something.

[halcyon thicket]

I love short blondes

[boreal dove]

Oh shi LOL, blades

[visual heron]

You can't have the exact same totem on two spots unless you actually have copies of that totem.

[dire helm]

correct, which is why you should keep a minimum of 4 copies of every totem

the 3 normal slots + the one slot added by the rune

[normal sail]

makes me wonder what the new runes coming in p12 will let us do with our totems

[visual heron]

If you have two weapons of the same type, they can share the same totems, but you need copies of totems to put in slots for the same weapon.

[tawdry sorrel]

would you say this is a good amount to have or need more ?

[boreal dove]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

Tbh idk, I think you good. Don't overgrind too much in a pre-alpha, since systems could be removed/changed

[visual heron]

Are the first few rare ones? You only have one of each of those.

[tawdry sorrel]

level 3's

[dire helm]

those are probably the one he's upgraded

[tawdry sorrel]

Well yeah , i feel you , i grinded all the factions to max + rewards , and now they are reworking them , and i guess they will reset them as well....

sad time

[dire helm]

I doubt they'll reset them completely

[boreal dove]

The eternal cycle of a live service game. And I think Warframe does it pretty well so I trust Soulframe will be fine as well. And they won't reset standing I'm 100% sure, since standing was very long to grind

At best, at 500 standing every 10 minutes, it's 100 minutes for 1 rank, making the whole standing grind 1500 minutes

[glacial current]

what does discharged nimrod drops?

[boreal dove]

Melee rune and fragments of an old weapon I forgot which one

[dire helm]

mostly the same things as normal nimrod + the rune for melee

[brazen bluff]

Odiac, everflame rune

[glacial current]

ah so hes worth my time then, thanks

[glacial current]

oo i want odiac

[brazen bluff]

Highly recommend you try and do shares with people for a better drop chance

[glacial current]

oh running in squad increases chances?

[brazen bluff]

Yea you get to kill not only your dnim but also theirs when they inv u

[dire helm]

no it just lets you run it more than once -- one time per player instance

[normal sail]

i love my medieval iron man gauntlets

-# even if they aren't viable for anything but stagger building until the rune proc

[glacial current]

i see

[tawdry sorrel]

well bow is in the same spot , the only viable build is the smite one 🙂

[normal sail]

also true

hopeful the 'meta' shifts around, even just a bit, when P12 launches

[tawdry sorrel]

but the rune efects are quite strong , do we really want that?

if i can't smite bosses i can use tetheren

[lament hearth]

Is there a real Meta? So far everything looks worthwhile and as a new player the only "OP" thing I found is chainstunning and heavy attacking mobs 24/7

[normal sail]

courage is currently the best virtue to shove most points into atm

[dire helm]

yes, kinda, it's not required for any content, but Orengall pact (wolf pact) doubles your courage with its third ability -- that coupled with some weapons can do crazy damage

[lament hearth]

Yeah more dmg is nice it's bad design to me when only one virtue is for dmg and if the dmg attribute isn't attuned to the ode and weapon used

[dire helm]

I've heard people talk about throwing gath at things with high courage and it's insane

[pure walrus]

How do you acquire runes? I've figured out totems but i have no idea whats up with runes

[dire helm]

also, there are attunement caps on weapons, so only so much courage will help your attacks, but different attacks have different caps, and the highest cap is a perfect throw

[dire helm]

spider boss, nimrod boss, and wizard boss, drop the ranged, melee, and magic runes respectively

[pure walrus]

oh got it, so they're all specific to bosses? noted!

[dire helm]

yes and the drop rates are abysmal

[pure walrus]

Thanks!

[normal sail]

^specifically Discharged Nimrod, the faction tale (and fable related) doesn't drop the rune

[dire helm]

I've been farming for a couple of weeks now and still only hav the magic one (which has dropped like 4 times for me now I think) but I've heard other people have had the same problem with the other runes (3-4 of a type and none of the others or some such)

[pure walrus]

Are they weapon-specific?

or is there one, singular one for melee

[dire helm]

for now, all melee share a rune, all bows share a rune, and magic/flyblades share a rune

[normal sail]

yes, Everflame is melee, Archstorm is Magick/Caster, and Alca's Breath is for Bows
-# will be changed in the future

[dire helm]

the melee one is the fire one

alca's breath *

alca's children are a faction lol

[normal sail]

whoops, perks of being up since 4am

[dire helm]

I feel ya

[fallow birch]

When do bosses respawn

[normal sail]

3h after you have last felled them

[fallow birch]

Awesome

[lament glen]

Felt it okay to take a 2 week break after the suuuuper long grind for all runes and gear from p.11. lol. How’s the farm been?

[elder sail]

Help with twin sun sleep

[vernal yacht]

Any suggestions for things to grind for or things to do before P12 releases? I know we're getting faction XP rework so probably best not to grind out faction rep

[odd pond]

doing the brewer of hues... is the nimrod boss supposed to kill me a few times before i start winning or is there somthinf to it

[turbid summit]

does putting more points into the smite (the first node on the arts) increase smite chance?

[plucky junco]

it should, i think

[limber girder]

What is the best farm for nurash and tassard? Cementary close to the Fort?

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

[odd pond]

nimrod is hard for newbies i think

[limber girder]

Its not. It has a dps chcck mechanic

[ancient narwhal]

i heard combat arts were getting reworked, did they address how?

[smoky crater]

Eventually we might be getting like combat art "manuals". We'll learn the different techniques from different things iirc

[pure walrus]

do the 1-star sparrow's tales just like, not give any standing?

what's the most efficient way to get standing? just cuz it'd be nice to see the bar... move

[atomic quartz]

I cant find any Wyrmwort :|

[smoky crater]

They do give standing. Just not a lot

3 star tales in the northeast are the most efficient for rep but they also require you to be able to a good amount of damage because of the enemy levels and the ending stages boss' level

[pure walrus]

what kind of levels?

like, is it under 30?

[smoky crater]

30-40

You can also not go quite so north and the levels will be around 30 or under

3 star tales give 350-500 rep per tale

[hidden gale]

For Orengall, does the passive melee damage bonus apply to when you have your wolf summon active?

[smoky crater]

Iirc does yes

[hidden gale]

Neat. Good to know

[upbeat eagle]

guys which is better orengall or sirin

what even is the best pact?

[dire helm]

depends on what you want it to be best at

I think Orengall is best for damage output if that's what you mean.

Ode Tempest has strongest defense and some crazy good CC and area damage at the moment, so I like it best personally.

I've heard good things about the new bear pact

Oscelda has an AoE heal over time that will let you just straight up face tank a ton of damage

[upbeat eagle]

i saw people talking about tethren in region chat

is it good?

[dire helm]

No idea, I don't have it yet

[upbeat eagle]

meta rn is courage weapons right?

[dire helm]

I heard it got a nerf to one of its animations, so casting at least one of its abilities has been slowed recently

can't remember which

[hidden gale]

Courage just has more options at the moment, from what I can tell.

[upbeat eagle]

did they nerf bows?

the arrow rain used to do alot of smite

[visual heron]

You may need to look into runes and totems to increase that again.

[haughty field]

whats the maximum lvl on combat art ?

[dire helm]

Varies by weapon class at the moment.

basically, each weapon gives 5 points toward the respective art.

so the more weapons ingame for that class of weapons right now, the higher you can reach in the arts

[haughty field]

hm i thougt it was generalized but its like mastery but for weapons

[dire helm]

long blades have the most at 9 weapons -- well past enough to get everything unlocked
short blades are second with 7 I think, which is also the minimum needed to unlock everything

weapon classes like magic that have 3 will cap out right now at 15 points, which is almost half what you need

[haughty field]

i supposed to get full point u need to get weapon to lvl max

[dire helm]

yes, specific ranks with a weapon will give art points

it's roughly every 6 levels, but they're slightly frontloaded so you get a few points quick at levels 1, 5, and 11

the final point is always at level 30

can't remember what level the 4th one is, but you get the idea

[haughty field]

yes, wanted to know the cap now i know you can get everything on skill tree

feel like it lack a bit of diversity atm

[dire helm]

You can currently. I've heard that they're going to rework that system eventually but no idea how soon or how reliable that intel is

notably, I recommend capping out short blades since they're both a primary and secondary weapon -- you'll probably be using them as secondaries a lot, so having them be as strong as possible is helpful

one of the strongest weapons in the game right now is Marrow's Bane (drops from kabocha world boss) which is classed as a long blade, giving long blades a double advantage in this regard

I suspect the coming Greatsword class will also be a long blade for now, but idk. They might introduce a new skill tree for them.

[haughty field]

Yeah i mainly play long blade, but started pexing the rest cause, well mastery

[dire helm]

I kinda wish all arts points went into a central pool so we could spend them wherever.

We would still have the 'problem' that you could have a maxed build, but at least there wouldn't be leftover points in a class, and under-represented weapon classes could still get good builds on them.

Like right now shields only have 2 weapons in their class.

and with bows and magic weapons having only 3, it means archers and mages are kinda... well, left to watch the melee folks have more/better options.

[haughty field]

yeah sure its a tempory problem just need time to release more weapons

[dire helm]

Yeah I guess. Again, pretty good odds they'll rework this system outright or remove it in favor of a more elaborate totem system or something.

[haughty field]

wish they add more build options actually its just kind farm, pex and build more damage

[dire helm]

I'm more lamenting the fact that as a mage I'm a little screwed for now regardless.

[haughty field]

understandable

[dire helm]

The problem will resolve itself eventually one way or another though, you're correct.

I am excided that the founders pact will (I think) come with a new magic weapon, so that's on my must-get list.

[haughty field]

Its one of the strong point of warframe you can play the same frame with a lot of different build so the gameplay feel different/refreshing

[pure walrus]

is there any way to see ode'n camps on the map? i need scrap steel

[visual heron]

You should be able to get some from the Undercity.

[ancient narwhal]

gathannan is alcas children right?

[pure walrus]

can't you not enter that without a tale for it...?

[visual heron]

No, you can enter any dungeon once you've unlocked it. The map shows entrances for them even.

[pure walrus]

I've tried before, but can always only find the exit

with the vines

[amber lance]

ok someone needs to help me figure out why this doesnt work

i have tried everything

im going crazy

[neat citrus]

wdym it "doesnt work"
it's a chance to smite, it won't always proc

[amber lance]

brother i have 2 of them fully upgraded so they're 1 in 6 each, i've shot thousands of charged shots at this point and it does not proc

thats what i mean, i've been trying to figure out what's wrong

is it level, can you not smite something thats higher level than the weapon?

[neat citrus]

hmm that's fair, could be a bug then
and just to make sure, you're fully charging right? like holding down until you hear the fully charged noise? and the visual indicator?

[amber lance]

yep the glow

[neat citrus]

that's weird yeah, probably a bug

[amber lance]

yeah but other people say it works so im trying to figure out whats causing it

[neat citrus]

hmm

you have smite chosen in your arts tree for bows right?

[amber lance]

is there some kinda level thing? my weapon isn't level 30 yet (mostly because it does no damage cause i cant get that totem to work lol)

[amber lance]

bows dont seem to have just "smite" like some other weapons do

[neat citrus]

oh you're right, my bad

[amber lance]

i do have this one

[neat citrus]

hmm

try taking that off, and just running totems

[amber lance]

i did yeah

[neat citrus]

oh I see

[amber lance]

ive reset the thing multiple times

in here ive tried using just one, two of different levels, tried without the rune

[neat citrus]

yeah it's gotta be a bug then
@smoky crater have you heard of this happening? ik you're pretty up to date typically

[amber lance]

only smite that ever procs is the 1 in 50 which is the base weapon smite chance

[visual heron]

Maybe it only affects the regular shot as opposed to arrow rain, or vice versa?

[smoky crater]

[amber lance]

mmmm i dont think so

[smoky crater]

Now that i think about it. While ago when i used a bow a lot i also used that totem and it didnt exactly proc smite a lot

[cobalt crescent]

I've been leveling Blitzel, and I have yet to have it proc smite using any method.

[amber lance]

HMMMMMM

hold up a second let me switch to juniper and try the same setup, we might be onto something

[smoky crater]

I've had blitzel smite yes but it's most likely also only ever been the base smite chance

I dont use arrow rain tho

[cobalt crescent]

I use all the types of shots for different situations.

[smoky crater]

I tend to just use charged shots with the occasional parry ripostes and spectre strikes

[amber lance]

nope doesnt work on the jupiter either

[amber lance]

wait how tf u parry with a bow

[cobalt crescent]

I always stand too far away for those. lol

[haughty field]

asking myself the same question buddy

[smoky crater]

Aim = block, well timed aim = parry

[amber lance]

thats wild

[smoky crater]

A bit of a remnant from when we actually had the ability to use the bow as a melee weapon

[amber lance]

anyways i think this stuff just might not work at all, but yesterday someone told me that it works for them and it procs smite all the time so idk what to think

[cobalt crescent]

While I do miss being able to smack the the everloving daylights out of enemies than run up on me with my bow, no melee makes more sense. 😆 Now if only we had a second weapon key.

[amber lance]

yea i wish u could just press a button to immediately attack with your secondary just a regular light attack

[upbeat eagle]

guys is there a difference statwise between rare common and uncommon?

[normal sail]

with the animal totems? not currently but it could change

[smoky crater]

There is

[upbeat eagle]

i meant weapons mb

[smoky crater]

For gear, common requires only 1 fragment, uncommon 2 and rare 3 to craft, the higher the rarity, the better the stats are usually aswell.

[upbeat eagle]

oh i see

hmm

whats the best virtue rn

[smoky crater]

All weapons are usable tho

[upbeat eagle]

courage?

[smoky crater]

I suppose the most use you can get out of courage yeah

Spirit close 2nd

[normal sail]

chest pieces being 4 pieces is killing me with Mendi's set

[smoky crater]

Grace is useful in some cases but i wouldnt start sweating about which you should just stack all your virtue points into

[visual heron]

There's also joineries that will let you switch virtue attunement.

[upbeat eagle]

whats the best longsword rn? i like longswords

[smoky crater]

A sword with the longsword animation set? Think it's still Vetch

Igne mora is fairly close to it tho

Dewelion i dont remember but it's pretty good alsi

[normal sail]

ngl Sollos-1 is still pretty decent for being a common drop sword.

[smoky crater]

All the common weapons are very usable yes

[uncut glacier]

I actually think it's genuinely really funny that Mora's Hand wants you to take damage to use one of it's abilities but not only does it give you no DR but also can be staggered out of, and then the big flame circle doesn't actually cc the enemies because all it does it make them harder to parry/dodge thru the jittering

why doesn't the 2 get like a stability boost or anything 😭

Anything more than nothing

[unique crypt]

two Alcas Breath and FIVE Archstorms later... not a single Everflame in sight. Nimrod is unkind...

[strange ether]

many mechanics...too many mechanics

[neat citrus]

you think it's too many now? 😭

we're in pre-alpha, go play Warframe and see how you like it lol

[unique crypt]

follow up to my rune troubles; extra runes can be dismantled for currency right? you only ever need one, even if you have many weapons that would use it?

[strange ether]

at least they are trying to improve and give explanation, although the teacher quest wasnt good,im happy they are trying

thank good they gave us guiding sparrow

[uncut glacier]

Tuvalkane is an unrealistic portrayal of a self-destructive artist because she meets her deadlines

[jolly sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/iknow-feeling-vacation-clark-griswold-gif-19757670

[jolly sedge]

thats coming to 12, you just had to wait for 25 of nov, they talk about this in the last devstream

[strange ether]

game crashed

damn you linux

tbh im surprised it even runs

ah now I have the game as my walpaper smh

[molten ocean]

Hiya Envoys, I am still fairly new to Soulframe but loving what I've already played. Just wondering if I am blind or not but I cannot find the "location spirit" things needed to learn location names? How are you supposed to find them?

[icy grotto]

Use soul mode, they are floating yellow blobs

[molten ocean]

Been running around the area (well multiple places) with it on and I cannot find them lol. I guess my search persists

[smoky crater]

you can't find all of a single locations histories at once

[knotty moon]

When you enter a location it will show up the obfuscated name and a number of icons under it, some of those icons will have a , those are the number of Motes available (relog to spawn more).
After this happens (as this is what makes them spawn) search around for a glowy yellow thingy floating in place, then Soul Mode + Attack at it to absorb.

Sometimes it is worth simply relogging or moving to the next location if you can't find it, the placement is random so next time you might have more luck.

[ancient narwhal]

only discharged nimrod drops the rune right?

[smoky crater]

Everflame yes

[normal sail]

the one in Kairness is evil

[knotty moon]

We don't talk about that place.
PTSD intensifies

[smoky crater]

Kairness is fiiiiiiiiiine

[knotty moon]

He drops the melee runes, if you are searching for the bow one you need the spider, and the Wraith of Wastes for the magick one.

[normal sail]

or in a previous preludes where they had the small chance to spawn way up in the sky

[smoky crater]

shhhhh

[knotty moon]

I remember, P9 Mote hunter veteran. 😱

Mirifuir's could also spawn far into the sea.

[chrome hearth]

Dam I got everflame in 4 dimrod kills and nothing yet from either of the others

[normal sail]

the magic of rng-esus

[ancient narwhal]

dont even have one lol

[chrome hearth]

Indeed, doesn't help that I've had 3 people in the past 2 days kill my spider and not share there's even though I specify it's a share

[unique crypt]

I've been diligently setting my 3 hour timers after each boss so I can kill them as many times as I can 😄 the last 3 Archstorms I got from the Wraith bugging out and cloning himself so I got two chances each time

once both him and his "clone" dropped one each 😄

[errant root]

Welp I dont think just freeing animals is getting me much Alca rep

[boreal dove]

Zero Alca rep

[knotty moon]

Only faction tales give rep atm.

[errant root]

bahh

[lament hearth]

From starting armor to Circade set... okay... why not lol

[errant root]

I need to level up my shiny new SOllos anyway

[lament hearth]

Why is reforging the starting caster weapon so expensive? Is there something special about it?

[knotty moon]

Nope, just dodgy balance.

[lament hearth]

And am I imagining things or do all enemies deal physical damage?

[knotty moon]

Most attacks are physical.
Granades, explosive arrows, and casters are magick iirc.

Banneret fire attacks as well probably.

[lament hearth]

I still don't get it why some enemies level playte is a grey X what does this mean? When you floor them and stab them their level is shown and they are not that high. What is the grey X good for?

[visual heron]

Your weapon's light attacks don't bypass their armor amount so it does very little.

[knotty moon]

Same as the bosses grey health bar, your current method of attack is insufficient to deal relevant damage.
Finisher do more damage than normal so it removes that during that attack.

[lament hearth]

Is this fixed and X ammount of enemies are grey or can I simply increase my base dmg and see less grey armor?

[fair pier]

Exactly

[visual heron]

Increasing your damage should help, heavy attacks will also break through that.

[knotty moon]

You can either increase your damage, or reduce enemy armor (beavers on attack slots for example).

[visual heron]

Totems help, as mentioned above.

[fair pier]

Honestly armor shred feels like it’s too important atm

[limber girder]

Do any1 observe that some mockeiers are glitched and stuff not drop from them after catching its ghost? its like for split second the drop shows up, but next moment its gone.

[lament hearth]

If I maxed out a weapon and I never use it again can I sell it?

[boreal dove]

yesd

[limber girder]

yes

[quiet quiver]

wep rack in the tent lets u sell weapons away, or if u find avakot in the wild to access shop

[lament hearth]

what is - parry stability cost? I can parry longer or parrying is more expensive?

[limber girder]

more stability U have, less u pay for action

[fluid rose]

Has anyone got a rune drop when joining another game? Or am I just unlucky

[azure berry]

is there a way to use the open faced variant of helmets? i cant find the option anywhere

[knotty moon]

Right click on the helmet in the arsenal, or use the emote.

[azure berry]

ahh ty

[ancient narwhal]

is nurash a cleaver or a secret wep type, seems to have different moves

[tepid musk]

guys i need help

[heavy rose]

Is there a way to get more loadout slots atm?

[knotty moon]

It has an unique moveset for now.

[knotty moon]

Four is the max atm.

[tepid musk]

is something just not working? im confused

[knotty moon]

Pick up the helm, then follow the bird.
That thing is just a prop.

[tepid musk]

tyy

the giant lightning strikes that are smacking it are just there for effect then?

[azure berry]

just crafted it, i think it says long blade but the moveset is completely different

[knotty moon]

In theory they should be a signposting for you to find the helm, but recently people are getting confused, might be that whole creepy fog effect it has now.

[ancient narwhal]

yeah seems to move like a kukri

[azure berry]

it doesnt look like anything that exists irl

[smoky crater]

Nurash is a cleaver yes even tho it goes under the "longswords" just like Marrow's Bane

[knotty moon]

Isn't the Cleaver Stultin?

[smoky crater]

aren't they both cleavers?

[knotty moon]

Iirc they have different movesets.

[smoky crater]

lemme hop ingame and remind muhself cuz i've honestly forgotten

[ancient narwhal]

stultin and marrows bane are cleavers but nurash has a unique moveset, teaser for next weapon type?

[smoky crater]

well they use the same heavy attacks

Stultin and Nurash atleast

[knotty moon]

Most likely same deal as with Cleavers, new type, but didn't bother making a new category for a temp system.

[ancient narwhal]

yep same heavies tho

[azure berry]

i think they are going for the dark souls route, not warframe. the weapon type is a very loose term but each weapon can have whatever moveset they feel like giving to it

[smoky crater]

think it's just a cleaver but with a modified moveset because the pacing is fairly similar to the other cleavers

[heavy rose]

Any one else feels like smite on spears is buggy?

even with Orengall howl and squirrels it feels like.... barely any chance lol

[thin hazel]

depends which polearm you're using! I use gathannan + some totems that give increased smite change and it usually procs at least once in almost every high level boss battle I am in. Check the stats of the weapon for Smite, like in the above picture

[errant root]

Wow I am not seeing any Alca tale quests at all for some reason

[ancient narwhal]

btw where do u get gathannan

wanna replace my duhk halic

[heavy rose]

I am using the Gathannan too (mostly for leveling it currently), but compared to eh bow Shield or Long Blades it feels a little... horrendous lol

[azure berry]

from what i heard farming for it is horrible

[heavy rose]

T3 Alca Tales

[errant root]

Hell yes

[thin hazel]

the stat is still real low, sadly. Yeah. Do you have any totems on it to increase the chance?

[smoky crater]

try running around a bit i guess? 👀
there are also some areas on the map where the game just doesn't like the spot and doesn't give any tales

[heavy rose]

Yus, squirrels

[ancient narwhal]

ah i'm used to it husk

[errant root]

Does it matter if I have a fable active?

[heavy rose]

btw, Igne Mora you only get from the faction right? Because I somehow got a fragment and I dunno from where lol

[thin hazel]

from what I've seen, flyblades definitely one of the best for procing smite

[ancient narwhal]

same, seems i got it from very old preludes where factions werent implemented

[heavy rose]

Yeah! And Bows

I still feel like staffs procc it not often enoug considering their theoretical chance

[thin hazel]

maybe we'll get more ways to up that stat in the future!

[warped shadow]

quero codigo convite

[heavy rose]

I mean my Erstroot has 6% (3/50) base, a squirrel fully upgraded and all dots in the skilltree on it, and I still barely procc it in a fight

[mild mason]

What's a good way of farming Gossamer Quartz? I'm currently just spamming Dermak dungeons but it yields very little per run and you apparently need 200 if you want to craft everything that needs it

[heavy rose]

It came naturally as I grinded out faction XP and blueprints

So I wouldn't bother to grind it specifically, I got like 80 leftover and I got most of the thing (or rather, the things I am missing are countable on a single hand atm)

[rugged smelt]

anyone else love it when an enemy throws not one but two shock grenades at your feet when youre right in front of them? like...1. why two my broski? and 2. why does he not take damage...hes right there too

[mild mason]

Yeah, I haven't even attempted to do a faction tale just yet, I just need 6 more so I can get Juniper

[smoky crater]

english only + been told to not ask for codes here

[errant root]

The Ode really hate the Envoy

[warped shadow]

Forgive me, Lord.

[rugged smelt]

for. real.

[thin hazel]

Here, this gives you information on how to get a code! https://wiki.avakot.org/Join_Preludes?v=2

[knotty moon]

Gotta love the embed being a giant "Halt!".

[heavy rose]

Me trying to get the Skilter and Odiac like a maniac

Is there a way to reset boss outside of having friends?

[thin hazel]

it is quite alarming, but it gets the point across hahaha

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-guard-whiterun-whiterun-guard-you-have-commited-crimes-against-skyrim-and-her-people-gif-26443650

[crimson sand]

Is it safe to sell the starter weapons after maxing them?

[thin hazel]

ye, save space on weapon slots!

[knotty moon]

Waiting 3 hours is unfortunately the only way for solo only players.

Though you can always go for boss shares with randos in chat.

[crimson sand]

cool

[heavy rose]

(unrelated) I wanna collect all ze weapons

Das sad, considering the amount of grind I already had for the runes D:

[azure berry]

do the archers not have a female model?

[crimson sand]

feel that but i mean you can buy them back from the factions I believe

[glacial current]

Yoooooo finally

[crimson sand]

when we can purchase arca yeah ill go back to being a real hoarder

[heavy rose]

so starting next week with ze founder pack?

[glacial current]

day after tomorrow actually

[errant root]

Soon(tm)

[glacial current]

so most of here are planning to be a founder i think

which is great

[heavy rose]

The website will 11/10 crash

Does the Nimrod from the Tale have the same loot table as discharged nimrod?

[halcyon thicket]

Not the rune

[neon meadow]

Guys who needs to do verminia quest and can i get an invite? Maby i will get SAP TAP item again since game bugged out and i dont have it anymore

[ancient narwhal]

damn

flyblade with tethren buff looks sick

[atomic moon]

I hate to be that guy but does watching a devstream vod give a code as well or do I have to catch an active livestream?

[knotty moon]

Active livestream.

[atomic moon]

I figured as much thank you for the response!

[blazing geyser]

Hello fellow envoy!

I have a question: does it seems only to me, or are the armor stats not doing anything? I mean for example Magick resistance does absolutely nothing, I get damaged for same amount, regardless of Magick defense points on armor. Same goes for Physical.

[knotty moon]

I do notice the difference, especially at medium high armor levels (60-70 total).
There are few magick attacks, mainly granades and explosive arrows.