envoy-gathering

[pliant lintel]

p15 is apparently later THIS month

[errant plinth]

Mmm, that IS good news.

[heavy chasm]

Which is earlier than I thought

[pliant lintel]

old, but still good, there is POSSIBLE signs of life on mars

[errant plinth]

Sinecure confirmed on Mars?

Send Envoys at once.

[pliant lintel]

no, jsut organic compounds that CAN happen naturally, but could have also been from actual life being on amrs at some point

[errant plinth]

Fascinating.

[late cedar]

what if jupiter, they like their floating castles and breathe toxic gases

[pliant lintel]

other good news... I guess we now have proof this community is not as unhinged as that of the other game? rn the concensus about tempers is that 3 is the near unanimous "perfect" amount

[rigid musk]

Or early june.

[errant plinth]

Yeah, I spent the entire day yesterday farming those Maces. I got around 200 of them and not a single one was Legendary. I did find one with 6 Tempers though, but no smite or voltaics.

3 or 4 sounds like the perfect amount.

[rigid musk]

No. Sinecure are ichor-based life. Ichor is antithetical to carbon-based life.

[pliant lintel]

with the tempers we got rn, yeah, 4 is about wher ei would put the absolute limit. you would still ahve a full profile for a weapon, but also will have to choose what to prioritize and will have to leave good tempers behind

it's also so much better for balance, as it actually elt the tempers be impactful and not marginal to not make every tempered weapons either op or underpowerred withotu a perfect build

[placid notch]

how do i get a key for this game?

[errant plinth]

Check the pinned message in this channel.

[placid notch]

ive seen people play it and it still says that its not out yet so how?

[rigid musk]

#envoy-gathering message

[placid notch]

ah

[rigid musk]

Pre-alpha. By invite from DE, or friend codes.

[oblique pawn]

You know, we do like the new levelling system. Means you can ignore the grind for a god roll on weapons you don't like, but if you change your mind later you're not behind much

[placid notch]

was really looking forward to playing it

[rigid musk]

Do what, now?

[errant plinth]

This, I want to be able to build my desired roll with time, or find it with luck. But having a specific roll locked behind pure RNG is giving me Destiny 2 flashbacks.

[oblique pawn]

If you level a mace, all maces that drop later drop at the level of that mace

[rigid musk]

Now that's handy.

[oblique pawn]

So if you get level 30 on a Military grade mace, and later a Legendary mace drops, it's already levelled.

[errant plinth]

Million Drac question is will they be tradable in the future?

[oblique pawn]

They already said you can melt down to move and change tempers when p15 drops, iirc

So there's a limit to the grind

[rigid musk]

According to the p14.5 update stream, yes.

[oblique pawn]

Not sure if Craftwork can be adjusted yet

[pliant lintel]

omg yes. it's such a good system, and paired with the new XP* buff we can find around, it lowkey de-grindify the grind a lot

[oblique pawn]

But if the end result is "farm one legendary then use the fodder to craft your perfect roll" that seems fine

[errant plinth]

They broke my sniper knifle and removed the effects of Quicksilver. That was going into my retirement fund if it was ever tradable.

[errant plinth]

Absolutely, this I like.

[pliant lintel]

yup, the goal is to effectively equate dropped grind and fragment grind in term of effort, so dropped can be used right away but will need you to build it up, while fragment weapons need to be grinded first but are at top level right away

[mild hill]

Can anybody tell me what should I do if I'm missing Duhk Halic? Had all of the trees purified for quite some time and did the island when the swimming went in, but somehow never got the fragment to craft it; do I report it as a bug or something else?

[errant plinth]

Moonsteel weapons are probably as rare as Legendary ones.

[oblique pawn]

Are you sure it's not in the "requirements not met" section?

[rigid musk]

Yeah. Bug report that. Might wanna file a support ticket on it.

[oblique pawn]

If not, def file a support ticket

[mild hill]

Pretty sure, yeah

[oblique pawn]

The Legendary Moonsteel being the chase for the truly devoted...

[red axle]

cool i cant sell stuff get stuck on please wait

[oblique pawn]

Eyy bug report dance!

[pliant lintel]

yeah, that i genuinly don't like. it's so rare and not healthy at all for a lowkey collector based arsenal

[oblique pawn]

It's just a visual flair

[pliant lintel]

[errant plinth]

I think I'll win the lottery before that drops.

[oblique pawn]

Seems fine

[rigid musk]

Does moonsteel say moonsteel on it or something?

[errant plinth]

It'll have a different top left corner in the UI.

And a slight cosmetic glow to it.

[oblique pawn]

It had a silver design in the top left corner with a moonsteel icon

[pliant lintel]

stillt ho, it is something people will want, at least for their favorite weapons, and we are bound to get quite a few of those

[autumn goblet]

WOW

[oblique pawn]

Oh, also!

We love love love the new 24 hour buffs

[errant plinth]

It's gonna be a collectors item, gotta catch 'em all and whatnot.

[oblique pawn]

+5 to all virtues and an XP boost as options are great!

[errant plinth]

The XP boost is my new savior. Farming the new weapons is so much faster in the endless Mockery arena.

[pliant lintel]

i'm mixed on those tho, because, i like the buffs, but thyem being 24 hours and so good means that everytime you come back to play you'll kinda have to roam around and get buffed back up

[heavy chasm]

They are it helps alot after making a new weapon

[pliant lintel]

tho, the XP one being like that doesn'T bother me, since we're not always elveling stuff. it's really the stat buffs that i'm on the fence

[oblique pawn]

Which encourages you to explore the map and maybe find something cool along the way to do.

[cinder hare]

Wouldn't it be cool if DE does a collab with Aurora or Yaelokre for music?

[errant plinth]

Subnautica 2 drops in a few minutes, supposedly. I may leave my Envoy parked under a tree for a few hours. Please feed and water him regularly and check up on him once in a while.

[heavy chasm]

The kick one im iffy on but I have a build that I just use for kicking

Helps on sieges

[pliant lintel]

what is that that i hear? another argument for player scaling? exploring? the thing that would be boring if only some part of the world were engaging?

at that point i feel it's safe to jsut replace the "if" to jsut "when" for scaling. and if they don't do it it would be kinda be a good sign to abandon ship even

at this point i should jsut embrace it and make syself a "#1 scaling nerd" tag on the server

[oblique pawn]

We would say a scaling system seems unlikely, but we could be wrong.

[pliant lintel]

to me it's jsut that it would make no sense to not have one, especially in a game with so much little details and things to discover. they would have to actually slow progression to a snail pace to not have player progress faster than they can enjoy each zones,a nd most importantly, than they can make them

[foggy fern]

At least DE was there to pick up the slack. A lot of major destiny content creators have been trying out WF

[rose mortar]

some way to make the low level areas still feel relevant (outside of cogah) would be really nice tbh

[foggy fern]

The bar is on the floor lol

[pliant lintel]

which is kinda funny in a way, as WF is like, the polar opposite of D2, since wf is the game with some of the most atrocious core system i've seen, but with actual devs that are doing their absolute best to keep it running

[foggy fern]

I'm going to assume yed since they added "weapon totem" under the totem name when you charm them

[pliant lintel]

multiple games have done it. so it's not like there isn't precedents. out of my head i can alread point to two methods, one is having jsut, the map scale around "player power" (total virtue points and the likes, most ARPG goes that route), or have the usual mmo thing of having the player themselves be adjusted to the zone they are in.

[late cedar]

honestly its more of d2 having core stuff like gunplay and enemies very good with rest being wee bit above bare bones with few exceptions that held down by management being bungie
then there is wf lacking severly on gunplay feel and enemies tend to be just padded stormtroopers, but boggus amount of diff systems that are quite exapanded with some abandoned (conclave, minigames like frame fighter)

[pliant lintel]

also, if not for content, we would still absolutly need some form of scalign for multiplayer. huge power discarity don't make for a fun coop, so somethign to equalize it when playing with friends is an absolute must

[oblique pawn]

Both of which make player progression feel lacking in a lot of ways. A lot of MMOs we've seen try it eventually remove it.

Personally just not a fan.

[pliant lintel]

you are forgetting the one biggest WTF of warframe tho, player having fixed stats while everything else is scaling, with the power progression jsut being applying multipliers to things

[late cedar]

simple system that gets out of hand if things arent nerfed and buffed properly over time
there were attempts like rivens but they turned out to be a mistake which only made problem worse

and we know what reaction nerfs get

[dapper gorge]

moar nerfs

[sterile wraith]

mora nerfs?

[late cedar]

mora mittens

[sterile wraith]

nerf mora!!!!

[late cedar]

player having fixed stats isnt a problem, problem is cheapness and simplicity to make those numbers unhinged
and lack of changes to prevent that when that happens

[sterile wraith]

i hope one day that, each faction leader has its own progression system like orlick were we can learn their lore and perhaps make it into a little side quest story line. the end goal for Jotar should be that we can marry mora to become the Fire king/queen

[dapper gorge]

needs it

[frosty ore]

nerf mora? nah nerf oscelda, duelo or tethren

[sterile wraith]

but... one is a sun and one if a fey witch?

nerf the sun bruv

[frosty ore]

to nerf the sun you have to fight it first

[dapper gorge]

how dare

[pliant lintel]

MMOs, but Sf isn't really one of those, tho. it's a live service game with a single character and permanent progression. we don't have the option of just making a new character to reexperince things, so making whole chunks of the game obsolete for daring to progress feel like a dumb choice.

in sf case, i think a better comparison would be if you would play an arpg like grim dawn or D4, and essentially only be able to grind and play in the very last part of the game because the rest of the map will not grow with you. it would feel terrible to only having a minuscule play area

[oblique pawn]

While we agree, content should remain relevant, we don't think autoscaling is a good solution

[round totem]

i just had to uninstall... i got tired of the map

[oblique pawn]

We've yet to see it not impact player sense of progression negatively.

[round totem]

keeps dissapearing

🙁

[oblique pawn]

There seems to be a bug where after pulling a spear from a world tree the map gets fogged over until your close and reopen

[round totem]

i did that

[oblique pawn]

Once you have all the trees it should be a non issue, but logging a bug report is also always helpful.

[pliant lintel]

lol, it's not even simple, that's the worse part. but yeah, it's something that needed constant balancing effort that it never got outside of spot balance changes. i'll also say it, if balance pass would have actually been more common in that game, not only would it be better now, but there would not be such a fear of nerfs, since poeple would jsut be used to balance pass, especially since those also contain buffs

[round totem]

didnt appear again... been like 5 times so far T_T

different trees

[rigid musk]

Wow. I knew Ruthos liked to cheat, but he locked up my computer this time. That's a first.

[round totem]

kinda tiresome when youre just wandering around like a lost ant

[pliant lintel]

autoscaling is but ONE options, i mentionned two ways, but they are far from the only ones. AC origins and odyssey, iirc, have a progressive one, where essentially things scale around your unlocks, thus, constantly reminding you of your progression. Skyrim does it by unleashing stronger and stronger variant of enemies to populate places. there are many options

[oblique pawn]

Could maybe see them having different "legions"

So like the current Red legions are the MR 1-5 fodder

Then Blue legion for 5-10

Etc

So you still get a sense of progress due to more elites and new legions coming for your head

[pliant lintel]

could be, me i like that one a bit less because it essentially makes some enemies disapear after a while, and tend to actually homogenize all the regions

[oblique pawn]

Not just the same enemy level scaled but ones that have more tools/new enemies

Asking for codes isn't allowed in the server, sorry!

[long sparrow]

oof T-T

[pliant lintel]

tho i can see sprinkling a bit of that into some more straightforward enemy leveling up

like zones remain the "same", but gets some extra sprinkle to spice them up

[oblique pawn]

It could also let some pockets stay unscaled. Perhaps the MR 1-5 Legions specializes in, like, destroying books

So you'd always find them near the college, and they'd always be basically just bowled over

So each legion has some set zones, but the roaming enemies and camp settlers do change legions

[pliant lintel]

nah, that would jsut mean you could never get fun at that place

[oblique pawn]

We feel like that's fine?

Some areas being able to be bowled over doesn't feel like necessarily a bad thing.

The challenge you face often changes over time

[white otter]

that could be something 👀

[oblique pawn]

But some areas are set to specific levels

If you're still on Red enemies and see a Blue fortress, and get wrecked it tells you Blue is stronger and to improve

Then you level up and see Blue enemies taking over from red, and it feels like the Ode are responding to you as a threat

[late cedar]

contesting mechanic could work to make all regions relevant
diff lvl legions switching with eachother depending on how much pushback they are getting in one

[oblique pawn]

Starter areas still have strongholds for Red legion, so if you're looking to challenge a relevant stronghold it encourages you to go to new regions

[pliant lintel]

however, with that, you actually don't preserve the actual feel of a region.

Remember, enemy progression can be both vertical AND horizontal. We already have some for of danger scaling in the game rn, as each sub regions notably has different type of enemies, with a larger and larger set of tools to fight agaisnt. if you make every zones of midrath the same level, the starter ones would still feel easier and aknoledge your progression, as that zone is naturally less "equiped" to take you on, as your own arsenal and toolbox has expanded.

it's the one part everyone does forget tho

[oblique pawn]

While you're right the feeling can change, we don't think having small areas you can stomp over is necessarily bad. Being able to stumble across one and just crush it definitely reminds you of how far you've come. Most of the map scaling, totally fine. But curating a castle siege to be for a set level only kinda encourages you to go find stronger sieges, imo.

[leaden breach]

What are these “Legions” you guys are talking about? The Sinecure?

[rigid musk]

I'm assuming they're talking about groups of enemies.

[frosty ore]

they're [Redacted]

[leaden breach]

Eh i just call them Patrols or Squads.

[rigid musk]

I jsut call them enemies.

Fallout New Vegas taught us that anything calling itself a Legion is evil.

[leaden breach]

They have ramped up the enemy patrols though and i like it, it actually feels like a occupation now and i get to practice more.

[stoic prairie]

Dripframe is Endgame

i... REALLY need to get a better armored looking arm

[pliant lintel]

those small pockets would still essentially be spots you can't get enjoyment from outside of performatively aknowledge your progression tho. Like, to thins, i would say that a better solution would then be a "level de-sync" option, either a map wide toggle for your instance, or a potion you can use to get a small burst of scaled fun. Like, maybe it's jsut me, but i genuinly don't think the urge of getting your power reaffirmed by crushing a low level zone is something that frequent. Like i don't think it's something so much design effort should be focused on for how much it's going to be needed. Like, i genuinly feel like it's something you should maybe give a player a way to do, but not necessarly build the whole game around pleasing.

Like, from games i've already played, they tend to let you just turn off something to just lower your own difficulty. For Sf, i could see somethinglike an "anti-cogah" potion i guess, you drink it and you get a little bit of fun "sandbox" esperience

[oblique pawn]

Think we'll have to agree to disagree.

[stoic prairie]

doesnt The Division have a system set up that when you get high enough you go to a tougher, higher ranked open world?

[stoic prairie]

HOW DARE ye

[pliant lintel]

what sort of armored? base oscelda can work better, otherwise, tempest and promius are nice. rood is perfect for that leather look tho

[oblique pawn]

We feel like having a consistent benchmark would be needed to maintain that sense of player power progression

[stoic prairie]

Division had that

[rigid musk]

Hey, you're the one who used the term "dripframe"...

[stoic prairie]

though the enemies were getting too spongy..

[sterile wraith]

the balloons are rising upwards!!!!

[stoic prairie]

Fashionframe and Dripframe are interchangeable >:(

[sterile wraith]

it dissapeared after a while

[rigid musk]

In my neck of the woods, you don't wanna call someone a drip. Unless said person is a methhead or something.

[stoic prairie]

...so does everything have to resolve around your neck of the woods?

[pliant lintel]

never played that one so i can't say. i kinda jsut know nioh 2's level synch that match enemies to your player elvel once you beat a level, and maybe AC odyssey having the option to ahve enemeis follow your gear once you passed their base elvel

[rigid musk]

Yes.

[stoic prairie]

kek

[stoic prairie]

Division had it set where you can go up and down level ratings for better or higher rewards in an open world, kinda like steel path I guess but not on a per-mission basis

[pliant lintel]

ok so like diablo's torment level

[stoic prairie]

yeh kinda like that

probably best to change it tho, I actually thought the map was more zone-locked depending if you could beat the guys at the gates but you can just walk past em

It'd either be implemented map-wide or zone-wide

[hearty ibex]

Tbh, I'd kinda prefer something like that to Cogah in its current state

[pliant lintel]

idk if it would work well for SF tho, it would really thin the lpayer pool for mp

[hearty ibex]

Have the atmosphere of the map gradually change as you go up in difficulty, too

[stoic prairie]

trueee

[leaden breach]

I like having low level areas in the game, Its where i fight to learn the enemies move sets and practice parrying multiple enemies at a time without the risk of dying. I’d argue it’s an excellent training ground for combat that directly translates to skill acquired for use in the more difficult zones.

[pliant lintel]

rn we have our virtue that can essentially be seen as our player power slider. it's the thing that scales our hp, damage, armors, pact power and all. so you can essetially jsut tie all scaling to that. going in multiplayer with people lower elvel than you? alright, let's keep your reqs and unlocks, but reajust your stats as if you had the same levels as your team. going back around the starting area to jsut have a change of scenery while you grind? alright, enemies around will get a level that match something fitting of your total virtue. there is other possibilities, but that's one way to do it

[pliant lintel]

they do be useful for that, but i feel like having a "sparring partner" in the nightfold or something liek that would be a better replacement to avoid loosing some zones to time

[leaden breach]

I don’t need a sparring dummy though, parrying in itself is not difficult even against high level enemies once you get used to it. What i practice is parrying attacks coming from multiple directions consecutively i.e not getting hit in a fight. To add to your idea though maybe a “Arena” structure of sorts where you can spawn in multiple specific enemies at the level desired.

[rigid musk]

Yeah. I'm surprised they removed attacking in the nightfold. Having a NPC or some sort of training area there seeme like it would be natrual.

[pliant lintel]

like, me i'm looking at things with the fact we can't really undo our progression, and we can't jsut remake a character, so yeah, i would want to have as much of my game be and stay enjoyable instead of having "dead pockets" thateffectively, jsut waste hard drive space and processing power to be rendered.

[ornate dagger]

Bonjour, combien de temps faut-il pour la validation de notre compte après l'inscription sur le site? (car je ne peux toujours pas télécharger le jeu)

[rigid musk]

Incorrect. I've beem playing since p6 and I struggle with parrying and dodging still.

[leaden breach]

But to topic of low level areas becoming useless the stronger we get well i like having an area i can farm for resources in auto pilot mode.

[pliant lintel]

that's what i was thinking about a sparring partner. in my head i got the mental imagoe of the ancient hero from twilight princess, someone to actually train you in a controlled environment.

[rigid musk]

Indeed. And with some weapons, you really wanna start on those lower level enemies, then work your way up to the tougher ones for leveling.

[pliant lintel]

vendors and "resource extractor" can also adress that

[rigid musk]

We have a character perfect for that. Gramps. We just need DE to put him in as a ghost.

[pliant lintel]

i don'T think gramps fits the mental image well. but another ancestor maybe

[rigid musk]

Gramps is an old, highly skilled envoy. He's the guy who trained us until we got abducted by aliens.

[pliant lintel]

that or jsut a specific option to "unscale" the game for a bit, idk.

[leaden breach]

I think it boils down to how practiced it is, like it’s something i personally really want to get better at so i devoted a considerable amount of hours just practicing hence i find it easier.

Like it took me around 100hrs of practice to execute this.. and not yet consistently.

[rigid musk]

What we need is a way to practice that doesn't kill us.

[leaden breach]

Thats the low level areas for me lol

[rigid musk]

For me, it's not, because they can kill me.

[pliant lintel]

a ghost from clan jotar would probably be a better and more flavorful alternative

[rigid musk]

I've got almost 900 hours in game. I'm not exactly a noob. I really think we need a reliable way to hone our skills.

[pliant lintel]

the fight with Carmo was kinda perfect to actually master the rapier for me

[leaden breach]

Neat idea, let them take the form of the enemy you want to practice against.

[rigid musk]

I disagree on that. I think Gramps fits the role more properly.

[leaden breach]

My experience on that was like fighting a annoying wasp 🐝

[pliant lintel]

in some way, yeah. i know they want to avoid another simulacrum like the plague on steroids

gosh that place did some damage to warframe

[rigid musk]

How so? I always only hear good things about it.

[leaden breach]

Go full courage build and Arbearer set. Makes you tanky and near unkillable at lower level areas.

[pliant lintel]

he jsut showed us to shoot a bow. most importantly, he's not really fitting for narative reasons. it would essentially remove a lot of narative opportunity to jsut have him with us, with all his knowledge and all

[verbal brook]

Can you see others players in your world now just saw 2 people in the open world???

[rigid musk]

Cite your sources. I think he fits better narratively than any other possible character.

[leaden breach]

I feel like the old man will show up again before we fight our mom in the hopefully near future.

[pliant lintel]

it essentially shifted the perception of things for the rest of the game, removing so much context and nuance from normal play, while essentially only making the number part of the game seem as relevant with builds.

[leaden breach]

You can see other players when at a World Tree.

[pliant lintel]

that's not how sources work vlad. but also, jsut go watch the little bits of him we have yet. the only thing we have of him rn in game, is scenes where he's jsut a wise old man, who happends to own a bow. we don't even know if he even was a fighting envoy.

[rigid musk]

Go re-watch the first and second juniper cutscenes, and replay the Rise Envoy fable.

He's an old soldier.

[pliant lintel]

plus, it just kneecap his narrative potential , as if he's with us in the nightfold, then what's preventing him from telling us a huge chunk of info? it would only make his character shallow and make any other attempt at putting drama around him as coming out of nowhere

[rigid musk]

drama is overrated.

[dapper gorge]

I mean, there's barely any story yet, probably needs to still be fleshed out more

[pliant lintel]

i did, i have no clu where you get that soldier thing from

[rigid musk]

As to what would prevent him from telling us things? Him feeling like we're not ready for certain bits if info. He's not actually kin. He's an adoptive grandfatherly figure who wanted to train us to be a proper combat envoy to fight the ode.

[rigid musk]

It's stated outright in the first juniper fragment cutscene.

[verbal brook]

YO THIS IS SICK i diodnt know the new weapon gets random rolls

[rigid musk]

If you read the patch notes and watched the streams, you would've known...

[leaden breach]

Yeah its Diablo 4 level of frustrations all over again lol

[pliant lintel]

yes, and i watched it, where tf are you seeing a soldier?

[frosty ore]

just wait till every weapon gets it 🙂

[verbal brook]

@rigid musk weird grab my fedora and uhm actaully comment is there a god roll already lol?

[frosty ore]

god roll is just having all of them on one weapon

fun fact: The existence of a "god roll" implies the existence of the "devil slide"

[rigid musk]

Depends on how you use the term. Personally, I think it's disingenuous to even use the term.

[frosty ore]

take that as you will.

already asking about god rolls in a pre alpha game isn't a good outlook imo

[foggy fern]

Wait, where did you see this? I missed it

[rigid musk]

Stick that up in #1438224662344761345 DE did say that why it's added in 14.5 and not waiting till 15 is so they can get feedback on it.

[pliant lintel]

it's in the stream Steve did right before p14.5 dropped. it's a blink and you miss it comment

[vernal arch]

They're aiming for the end of the month, nothing guaranteed. They're also aiming to have it out before Tennocon which is June. They've said it a few times in streams, but yeah, nothing "for sure".

[rigid musk]

#soulframe-news message

[leaden breach]

Thats a lot sooner than i expected.

[rigid musk]

They said by the end of the month, or maybe into early june.

[pliant lintel]

yeah, i was taken aback when i heard that. tho, to me, it's ludicrously good news, because it means they are really going full stream ahead in term of develloping

[leaden breach]

Cool i can hunt for my perfect Marrow’s Bane soon.

[verbal brook]

@rigid musk your a weird guy bud

[leaden breach]

Yeah Steve did mention they are cranking up development this year.

[pliant lintel]

probably not. two dev stream ago they xplained the system. some wepaons will be crafted and won'T have that sort of things

[rigid musk]

True.

[frosty ore]

tbf what is normal anymore?

[pliant lintel]

yes, but i was not expecting THIS level. it means they are likely pretty sure of where they are going, and/or they have their own full dev team to work with full time

[leaden breach]

Noo my dream of a fast attack speed cleaver in shambles.

[rigid musk]

They did say not to get rid of any weapons you had from before the p14.5 update, as they'll get changed to "vintage", which is supposed to be super-good.

[fast crescent]

I do hope since their rate of development is faster maybe we can start getting workshop posts (or even Pablo Style videos, preferably both) for large changes like the virtue system and the RNG loot system

[leaden breach]

Yeah i loved that and the planned trading. I’m so glad i kept all the Eldore upgraded gear i have from P8 on my other account.

[oblique pawn]

2 dev streams ago they posted a screenshot that said Ancients will still need to be crafted. No mention of whether it would have random rolls ir not

[rigid musk]

We don't know that future updates will be as quick to be out, though. It could just be that they got lucky with p15 and are running into fewer hitches/setbacks.

[pliant lintel]

true, tho i need to rewatch to make sure, but iirc, they did kinda mention or imply that they would at least be on equal footing

[oblique pawn]

Point is, they could be crafted and drop a random roll.

Which would put them in equal footing.

[wanton jungle]

fellas, wulder or sollos

sollos sounds like it would solo

[oblique pawn]

Sollos has a higher scaling cap and better base damage

[rigid musk]

Get both.

[dapper gorge]

Sollos, then Wulder. Alphabetical order

[wanton jungle]

alright fellow tetherens

[foggy fern]

They mentioned the weapons remaining craftable being the "legendary, named" weapons. Probably like dukhalic and gathanon. But that would mean the "legendary" weapons would be left behind if they can't have tempers on them...

[dapper gorge]

Why think when you can go in alphabetical/numerical order, amirite?

[fast crescent]

Well regardless if it’s faster or not, that doesn’t matter, I just hope we get more consistent communication on DEs goals for reworks and new additions. Lots of the time it feels like most of the information we know about changes are vague, months old, or “find out on your own” once it gets added. I think people would appreciate more information with things like workshop posts.

[leaden breach]

Wait will this apply to any “old” weapons i craft now? Because i never really crafted a lot of weapons unless i planned to use them.

[wanton jungle]

4 HOURS FOR THE WEAPON?

IS THIS CLASH OF CLANS?

[dapper gorge]

Forgin takes time

[wanton jungle]

is the rush a 1 time thing? or do I have to pay many for rushes?

[pliant lintel]

they probably won'T have randow roll tho, sicne notably, some weapons might not be as available for multiple crafts. and well, crafting multiple would jsut be a massive pain

[dapper gorge]

There's only a few insta-crafts. Most will have times to complete

[rigid musk]

If they have time. I'd rather they focus on the quality of the updates/hotfixes, then worry about keeping tabs.

[dapper gorge]

But it's realworld time, not gametime. So it'll progress while you're offline

[leaden breach]

Yes craft stuff before you stop playing is best. Likewise despair when you forget lol.

[pliant lintel]

not necessarly if their stats are jsut "better". dropped weapons would get tempers to keep them customizable and all, while crafted weapons would be static. it doens't remove the possibility of tempers if they are like, unique, but clearly not dandom ones

[fast crescent]

Of course they’re going to do QoL updates and hotfixes, that’s not being argued here. I’m saying for us to give efficient feedback and provide us an insight on their goals, we need workshops posts. Especially with such a large system change like RNG loot changes, we are at the mercy of reading the tea leaves of what Steve said during the stream and envoy hour about potentially dismantling items. I understand they’re still trying to figure out exactly what they want to do, and that’s fine. But it would be better for us to at least understand what’s coming and provide better feedback.

[pliant lintel]

DE does have some issue communicating, but at the same time, i can understand them being a bit cold, as, well, they don't really have the best memories of their community understanding well and reacting normally. Like, you need to remember that a non marginal amount of people in WF's community genuinly thing the devs nerfs around what is liked because they completly misunderstood the "we look at popularity to see what might need soome ajusting" explaination they gave when nerfing the catchmoon in 2019, because the FIFTY PERCENT playrate across the board caught their attention

[glossy aspen]

What a neat game

[pliant lintel]

that or the meaning of power fantasy being completly different for the community of the sister game

[fast crescent]

I believe they get their best reaction/feedback about changes when it’s been communicated. And I think more communication, workshops, videos etc. would only ever help.

[pliant lintel]

oh, absolutly, that is how you ge the best feedback, when people know what's ahead. i was jsut explaining why they might be a bit reticent rn, especially this dev team

but yeah, i feel like a didicated video for the dropped weapon sytem would be necessary, to clarify and most importantly, to be refered to for any clarification, rather than some time code on a stream

[fast crescent]

I think the main problems stem from off hand comments, or even talking about systems months or a year in advance of them coming too. Like for example we saw the combats arts manual rework last Tennocon, and we’ve yet to see anything on it. And we’ve already moved onto a completely different system to rework. And then, a foundational system like mantling/climbing was last seen 8 months ago. I feel like implementing climbing is something they should definitely add soon or otherwise they’ll need to redo a lot of stuff in order to account for climbing.

[foggy fern]

Fair. Maybe the static weapons with have intentionally chosen tempers

[pliant lintel]

yeah, i think it's also wh they don't actually say much, because they don't want to get people exited for stull that's not necessarly gonna be set in stone

[fast crescent]

I do appreciate that they feel comfortable enough to show us such early work or ideas but it can get a bit confusing when they say “it’s coming this year”, like mounts, and it’s already been almost 2.5 years 😅

[pliant lintel]

and likely "better" stats and/or unique tempers to compensate for the fact they are fixed. like, why would you bother making a crafted weapon if a dropped one will j sut be better?

[pliant lintel]

well, i put that on Steve being very passionate and talking more than he should.

[fast crescent]

I remember Steve showing off the wolf mount back in 12/2024, and I get the reasoning for them not wanting to add it yet because of needing a quest, and worries about the island size being trivialized. But instead of adding a mount quest first we got fast travel which does trivialize the island size even more than a mount could ever do. Obviously adding fast travel is a lot faster/easier to do than a quest but yeah.

[pliant lintel]

he is often seen asking if he can say stuff after all

[fast crescent]

True, I wouldn’t want that to change though I’ve just heard feedback from some of my friends that are playing (who aren’t in the discord at all) and just relaying what they’ve been having issues with. Mainly just wanting more information on future goals 😅

[pliant lintel]

i feel like what delayed mounts a lot was the fact that the dev team essentially got often poached and requisitionned by the wf team, since that game is the one that was fully financing Sf until they added the shop

[hoary oracle]

Wolf mount would be awesome

[pliant lintel]

yeah, the joy of the alpha. as long as the game doesn't have it's core bit set in stone, giving info is always a risk

[rigid musk]

And I'm saying you're overreacting.

[fast crescent]

Well I’m glad that they’ve hired a bunch of new people from what I can tell, seemingly they’re getting “stolen” over to the wf team a lot less. Granted they’re a bunch of the old heads at DE are working on Soulframe I assume they’ll always be working on Warframe in some capacity as well

[fast crescent]

??? lol

[pliant lintel]

i mean, there is some shared devellopment since they use the same engine, which is smart. you essentially get double devellopment from a single team. but yeah, having the founders and the shop this early was always a bit iffy for me, but i'm ok with it in the end since it's basicly letting the game actually be devellopped

[rigid musk]

Correction: Will be.

[rigid musk]

You're being very dramatic over how much/little DE is communicating future plans. I don't think it's a subject worthy of such focus. YMMV, but I'm fine with how DE's doing things.

[gentle forge]

I'm less concerned about how they communicate future plans than I am with how they communicate current state, but a lot of the gaps in current-state communication can be attributed to everything being in flux all the time.

[fast crescent]

Dude every time I’ve ever spoken to you, it’s always arguing semantics and stuff like this. Idk what your issue is but please stop.

I’m not overreacting about wanting more communication. It’s a perfectly normal thing to want. I already said, many of my friends have said that same concern and I’ve just relayed what they’ve said to me.

[rigid musk]

They make sure to post in #soulframe-news and #1439842825180155904, with links to the forums for more extensive patch notes. Generally, if there's a state of something that isn't mentioned by them, it's something unintended like bugs that they weren't aware of.

[wooden quartz]

Thats your opinion and hes free to share his, you're being really damn dismissive

[uneven bone]

Why is the duelo fight so aids holy shit

[austere quest]

Suddenly can't attack or use abilities, can't nightfold either. That's a neat bug. I can move tho

[uneven bone]

happens alot, same with the blue ambushes staying

[austere quest]

My Courage ability isn't recharging anymore either

[rigid musk]

Old bug. add to the stack on one of the #1438224825113120788 topics on it.

[austere quest]

Yea was trying to find existing thread about it so I can just add to that

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-destroy-all-monsters-kumonga-crawl-crawling-gif-27593406

* A giant enemy spider has appeared!

[austere quest]

Seems to be a network bug, Host left, and it's fixed after the migration

That bug happens in Warframe too I think. Slightly differently tho

[frosty ore]

the perks of preludes

[stone cliff]

IT IS TIME

so where do we farm the new thing?

[late cedar]

fellas

[white otter]

The new what thing? 👀

[late cedar]

i finally found out how to make dualsense touchpad not act like it has seizure and decided to visit a rave

[stone cliff]

yk

[late cedar]

it only took installing hudhide to hide the pad from windows itself

[stone cliff]

the 14.5prelude thing

[white otter]

Mace?

[stone cliff]

from what Im seeing its by killing gawth

[late cedar]

bc this god damn system would recognize touchpad on controller as god damn mouse and touchpad at same time

[stone cliff]

sure

[white otter]

Maces drop from basically any mace unit

[stone cliff]

whatever thats new

was mace the only new thing?

[quick thicket]

guy named Mace

[white otter]

The only new weapon yes

[stone cliff]

and new content?

is there anything?

[white otter]

Uhhhh

[stone cliff]

I know they reworked some stuff

not talking about that

[white otter]

Virtues again yeah

[sterile wraith]

new mace, and heuuu

supposidly new encounters

[stone cliff]

encounters??

[fickle ember]

no hay un chat en español en este discord?

[white otter]

English only here

[stone cliff]

nope

[fickle ember]

mmmm esta bien gracias por su amable atencion 🙂

[stone cliff]

you could try to find a spanish community tho

[late cedar]

maces along with preview of weapon perk n quality system that will come with crafting weapons , ode can now drop on drop pODEs , and virtue rework again (it will be reworked again)

[fickle ember]

si lo intentare con eso de que hay 40 millones de Latinos viviendo en estados unidos seguro encuentra a alguien con quien jugar :3

[stone cliff]

TF IS THIS

I can inv other players?

[stone cliff]

there are a lot of spanish speakers here

maybe they know of a spanish community

[hearty pumice]

Yeah since 14.5

[fickle ember]

si hermano gracias por la informasion 🙂

[late cedar]

trees now act like mini social hubs

ye

[stone cliff]

this is really cool

well i guess Imma murder the shi out of gawth

Ill pretend hes avakot

[late cedar]

collect maces

the more maces the better

[stone cliff]

are there mace tiers?

or how does it really work?

I read that we need to farm to min max the perks we want

but do they have different rarities?

like different rarity weaps have different dmg caps

[late cedar]

basically its preview of system that will be added on 15
maces come with diff quality(6 diff) to em from stock to legendary

[stone cliff]

thats why Im asking

okay

[late cedar]

and each quality allows for diff amount of tempers which are random modifiers

[stone cliff]

so I need to snipe legendary ones with the specific tempers I want

[late cedar]

you can for example have it do voltaic dmg at all times

[stone cliff]

huh

interesting

thank you

[late cedar]

what tempers come and what quality weapon will be is random

max amount of em is 8 and there are 9 diff tempers

till 15 drops its just for maces you get from killing specific mace using enemies

[stone cliff]

I see

[frosty ore]

isn't there a fire damage temper? or was that a lie?

[late cedar]

like Sinecure Officer

[stone cliff]

also I hope they remove this asap

[late cedar]

aint seeing one on wiki

[frosty ore]

i see

[late cedar]

ye thats part of virtue rework again

[frosty ore]

better than the last system tbh

[late cedar]

honestly wee bit of a downgrade since last one

[stone cliff]

yes but, having to grind for an item to change builds doesnt sound that great

[late cedar]

previous at least let you test things around this one you pay each time you wanna change

[stone cliff]

imagine going to warfram and you need a resource to switch frames

[late cedar]

so no experimenting

[stone cliff]

makes no sense

[austere quest]

Should have a haunted wevetwood for halloween

[subtle nacelle]

are there wyld totems?

[late cedar]

if you mean talismans you wear on neck then ye

[frosty ore]

huh, soulframe is giving me the white screen of death again

[stone cliff]

what are the white bars under my ability thing

[frosty ore]

xp

[austere quest]

experience

[frosty ore]

weapon xp to be exact

[stone cliff]

like pact and weapon?

[austere quest]

weapon and sidearm

[stone cliff]

OH

full bar = rank 30?

[austere quest]

Yes

[stone cliff]

aight

thx

[austere quest]

A neat thing for those that want it, I like my XP bars off. Seeing my exp bars just makes it so much more stressful. Should make them a UI toggle

[stone cliff]

this was my 1st orst

[subtle nacelle]

nvm i found this but how do i get them

they are basically prime mods

[stone cliff]

but yeah the changes were really good

just the having to spend resources to switch virtues thing is kinda bad hope they make that not cost anything

[surreal basalt]

They arent even close to prime mods lol

[subtle nacelle]

any idea how to get these?

[surreal basalt]

Also you just get them

They dont have a special source

[subtle nacelle]

I mean, all prime mods are just beefier versus regular mod. The stats look higher on these wild totems than normal.

[surreal basalt]

Each totem has unique stats

For its weapon class

[subtle nacelle]

each totem is basically a mod, but split into three different categories

so yes

[surreal basalt]

The stats dont repeat within the same weapon class
They arent beefier

[late cedar]

ah those, there aint wyld ones from what i know

you get those by using soul mode on animals and playing flute tho

or opening cages

[subtle nacelle]

so wyld totems aren’t stronger than stats in the max rank regular totem?

[surreal basalt]

There is no such thing as wyld totems

[oblique pawn]

Each Totem drops at a set rarity! The one you're showing here is an Uncommon, and it's for Polearms

All Polearms Deer of that type drop at Uncommon

They can be stronger, but they are limited in what they can be equipped to

[hushed rampart]

John Restroot 🛌

[late cedar]

just like runes

[surreal basalt]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Totems/table

[white otter]

they're loadout specific if you didn't know or no one had mentioned yet

[late cedar]

diff runes diff weapons, some cogah some aint

treefell was worth getting

[stone cliff]

i know

[white otter]

[stone cliff]

but buying loadout slots to not spend those seems...... wrong

[white otter]

i mean you have 4 by default. that's enough to do most splits on its own

[north snow]

To those who have played how is the update ?

[white otter]

i like it

[surreal basalt]

Overrall meh

[sterile wraith]

to initiate a duelo, you just gotta have the ribbon equipped right?

[white otter]

ya

[late cedar]

aside from yet another virtue rework good preview

[surreal basalt]

Dropped weapons predictably clog inventory for no benefit
Armor now uses inventory slots
Changing virtues needs a consumable resource

But we do have a bit more variety on random encounters, and the new drop pods full of enemies are a funny jumpscare

[sterile wraith]

and are the places for duelos random?

[white otter]

yes

[sterile wraith]

cause i can't seem to find any duelos

[white otter]

3 spawn at a time at random shipwrecks

[sterile wraith]

damn

[grave granite]

is this a new type of totem? I don't remember seeing wyld totems

[north snow]

Yeah but people were complaining and upset so I’m assuming it’ll change again tbh

[white otter]

think theres 8-9 wrecks in total

[white otter]

thing is people don't like changes. and they forget to think long term or in the bigger picture a lot of the time. not always, but often

[surreal basalt]

They made up wyld totems
Those arent a thing

[north snow]

Like the changes to virtues being tied to consumables will probably get changed, even though I feel like it being tied to sieges right now is good cause it gives you a reason to do them

[austere quest]

pact top, euipped weapon bottom

[rigid musk]

The random drops thing for the mace is annoying. The virtue slider thing is better.

[late cedar]

previous system was better compared to this one

it was limiting but allowed for experimenting

[grave granite]

pretty sure it's main weapon and side weapon

[rigid musk]

I think this one is better.

[white otter]

nop. pact top, equipped weapon bottom

[surreal basalt]

It is pact and currently equipped weapon

[late cedar]

this one is less limiting on paper but in practice you cant experiment and are even more limited by resource that has low drop rate

[late cedar]

on paper yes in practice nope

[north snow]

Yeah I saw this, I also saw Steve say he wants to develop something where you can target certain traits or even straight up build them

[white otter]

from my experience the drop rate really isn't that bad

[late cedar]

havent seen one drop since update

[rigid musk]

In p15. We're in p14.5.

[late cedar]

and ive been bullying everything i came across

[white otter]

ye i've had atleast 2 drop. haven't checked since yesterday

[north snow]

Right, that’s why I mentioned the development aspect of it considering it’s being worked on and not out

[rigid musk]

We've established before that the RNG can be absolutely brutal to some players.

[white otter]

which if we're considering long term, that is not a bad rate but ofc RNG varies

[late cedar]

we know it has rare rarity attached to it

[white otter]

gon go check how many i actually have

haven't really paid attention to what loot im getting

ok. still at 2 from just gameplay

[stuck sleet]

how everyone doin today?

[late cedar]

honestly im glad i made few loadouts with right prisms before this update

dont have to worry about having to grind few days just to make mage build if i want to play one

[stone cliff]

I guess we got 1 alr

whats the max perks?

[austere quest]

No. you change weapons the bottom bar changes. Top is for sure pact

[sturdy geyser]

We already have 40+ resources for builds

[rare socket]

9

[sturdy geyser]

It's like not it's scarce

[dapper gorge]

[rare socket]

well, theres 9 totals tempers, but u can only get 8 actualy

[rigid musk]

Whee.

[sturdy geyser]

Get ur numbers up boy

[stone cliff]

listen here you little sdijbsdi

I started to farm them 10 min ago

[dapper gorge]

I farmed like 40 yesterday, most I got was 4 tempers

[sturdy geyser]

Do it in cogah youll thank me later

[vagrant wigeon]

my game isnt marking this dungeon entrance in the map anyone know how to fix this?

[sturdy geyser]

I started cogah and got 6, 7 and 8 in one hour

[sturdy geyser]

Some just aren't marked

[rigid musk]

RL calls again...

[stone cliff]

Im in a party with relog farm

they have a smurf

so we farm 3 maces every 1 min or less lol

[hardy oyster]

Does anyone know what this spider I don't have in my journal is? I thought it was the Widower, but I just smote her twice and have no progress

[vagrant wigeon]

im sure they all get market i had dungeon there were not geting marked before and out of nowhere they got a mark so i think its a bug

[late cedar]

that fleet fling could be replaced with full force

[late cedar]

the one in hole

it looks like it, them roots etc

[hardy oyster]

In the north-west? That ain't it, got her already

[vagrant wigeon]

its the spider the wraith of wastes spawns

[hardy oyster]

omg thank you, that must be it

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah ithats the one i really want

[late cedar]

you sure

[surreal basalt]

Iirc there is another spider boss but it is acutally inside a dungeon

[hardy oyster]

Yep that's the widower, that's the one I mentioned trying twice

[hardy oyster]

Yes I'm sure

[vagrant wigeon]

i know its those spiders because they were last ones i needed too hahahaha

[late cedar]

it doesnt look like it tho

mayb updated look made it double in journail

[hardy oyster]

It's what @vagrant wigeon said just got progress from the wazzard weavers

[vagrant wigeon]

anyone know where to find this yelow eyes sproutfoulk?

i already have the others

[stone cliff]

bro selling weapons is so buggy

[near ridge]

P14.5 got the community feeling spicy
-# or at least it feels that way

[hardy oyster]

Those are just mixed in with other sproutfolk random spawns, overworld I am fairly certain

Outside of swamps

[vagrant wigeon]

so basiacly just get luck for them to spawn not the others

[late cedar]

those be the spear ones

they throw it

just run through Neath'uns till you unlock it fully

[shut dock]

I love the laugh they do because it kinda reminds me of Spongebob if he was planning something evil

[near ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

Please do not ask for keys in the discord

You can get an access key by watching any official Soulframe twitch stream for 30 minues or by buying a founder's pack.

[gentle yoke]

alternatively DM me for a key if you need one, still got 7 left and none of my friends are interested in soulframe lmao

[vagrant wigeon]

lol just got one at a dungeon entrance

[near ridge]

Giveaways are always welcome and appreciated! 😁

A lot of Envoys will also drop codes here after streams since they already have access

[sterile wraith]

so if you take the increased xp gain twice.... does it stack the bonus? or just the duration?

or does it nothing and i just wasted a bonus?

[surreal basalt]

Hmmm if it is the system from warframe brought over then good chance it increases duration

[lone summit]

rate this noble roll out of 10

[surreal basalt]

Same source of a booster there increases duration

[sterile wraith]

mmh, i mean two days of increased xp!! hell yeah i'll take it!!

[austere quest]

Magic: Lame and so weak as every other game
Bow: Casually one tapping Agari

[gentle yoke]

the casual stealth archer build

[austere quest]

Do Zenith buffs replace each other, or can you have all of them at once

[dapper gorge]

Magick = bae

[vagrant wigeon]

new mine dungeon soon

[dapper gorge]

Finally get to live out my dwarf fantasy

[stone cliff]

ehhh...

[dapper gorge]

The mockeryfenns are multiplying

[surreal basalt]

Ugh cant wait for next week and drg rc

[dapper gorge]

I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole blowing up enemies

[wintry prairie]

any resolution to the desync issue when playing in a party?

I played about 8 months ago and it was an issue and still is just curious

[surreal basalt]

I just found out wind rose actually went to ghostship studios to chat with them and also sang for them

[surreal basalt]

I am confused, you are asking about if it is an issue but also saying you know it still is an issue?

[wintry prairie]

no I'm asking if theres a resolution

[sterile wraith]

we already got so many dungeons that just get left behind man 😔

[sweet gyro]

can i ask a question?

[dapper gorge]

yup!

[sterile wraith]

give us some more interesting stuff in dermak, glades, damn neath'uns and now the rovkot ruins

[sweet gyro]

could you posibly make a voice chat for everyone?

[surreal basalt]

Very unlikely

[dapper gorge]

I mean, they've been adding tiles for the other dungeons over time.

[dapper gorge]

Do you mean in game or in this discord?

[sweet gyro]

discord

[surreal basalt]

They already tried having voice chat in warframe and it already went poorly, so chances of them trying again for this server are severely low

[sweet gyro]

bc i rly like this server

[sterile wraith]

really? when is the last time they updated them? I haven't returned to them for a while now

[sweet gyro]

oh

[sterile wraith]

this is an official server... they can't really do that here

[dapper gorge]

#HotfixTimeLeft

[sterile wraith]

Moderation of those channels would be helllllll

[surreal basalt]

I mean, they can
But probably wont because they already know how poorly it can go

[dapper gorge]

I think they've had at least some new tiles every major release

It's most noticeable in Denmark

[sterile wraith]

damn why don't they put those in the patch notes then?

i would love to revisit those!

but i never noticed

[dapper gorge]

Plus agari bosses

[austere quest]

4th friend? ooooh

[dapper gorge]

Which was a welcome addition

[austere quest]

Do you lose agari stacks if you swap cogah talismans?

Also, a counter would be cool too

[pliant lintel]

oh gosh, i lowkey hope it's not the 4 players thing

[sterile wraith]

wait they already implemented the cogah talisman gimmick?

[austere quest]

Did they? or are they off

[austere quest]

idk green text talking about imagining a 4th friend

[sterile wraith]

i mean when they were added, they didn't do anything yet, while it was hinted that they should change with the amount of kills you had in cogah or something like that, but i haven't seen anything regarding that?

[pliant lintel]

4 players is like... enormous. like, 4 players can be a lot for econtent balancing

[austere quest]

I have no idea. The talismans are in game, and they say it buffs based on how many agari slain. No information beyond that

[stone cliff]

Im not sure if its really a thing or a joke?

but yah it will change a lot

[sterile wraith]

yeah that is what i am saying, that is just a teaser rn. It doesn't do anything atm

[stone cliff]

this is the full text

[frosty ore]

real shame that green text broke up with red text

[pliant lintel]

"a lot" us a massive understatement

[sterile wraith]

damn i thought they said that they weren't gonna do 4 player squads because the number three was thematic or something

[hidden ferry]

A secret forth thing

[lone summit]

this is not that bad

[frosty ore]

horrible

[austere quest]

I was liking this as well. I was hoping they were going to keep it like this

[pliant lintel]

that was more of a thing we all tought, but i guess it ultimatly kinda make sense, since well, 4 is kind of the multiplayer standard

[austere quest]

"the power of three" and stuff. Then you have the three virtues

[unique ermine]

4 players? crazy

[sterile wraith]

slighlty decreased the drop rate of Orst from normal mace wielding enemies.....

Brothers they were barely dropping to begin with 💀

[austere quest]

I suppose no you could have one of each virtue, and a paragon. idk

3 players was so thematic tho

[sterile wraith]

yeah XD. Very weird that they decided to up that

[lone summit]

i have to disagree, i had like 40 of them

[hardy oyster]

Yeah I feel they dropped like, every other kill

[sterile wraith]

all from normal mace enemies? or also bosses, cause they have 100% drop rate

[lone summit]

mostly from normal mace enemies

[night girder]

true, it was rare for them to not drop them lol

[sterile wraith]

damn i never seem to get one. guess i am just really unlucky

i only got a few from the bosses themselves

[buoyant bay]

I don't think bosses are 100% either fwiw

but I also got a lot from the randos

[hardy oyster]

Bosses are 100% as far as I've been able to tell

Never had one not drop one

[orchid karma]

Ive never had one

[sterile wraith]

yeah i only got the maces form the bosses cause any of the normal ones didn't drop anything

[hardy oyster]

And I was just running loops on a dungeon boss for a while

[simple mason]

I've never not had Gawth drop one

[grim night]

Did I just read that?! We got 4 player parties now?!

[stone cliff]

I just farmed like 100 orst in the last 1h

not even jk

[buoyant bay]

Wow they are really using 14.5 to roll out all their contentious ideas aren't they

[stone cliff]

was in a party and we were doing a dungeon with 3 mace guys

[pliant lintel]

yeah, but it was a bit "dumb" considering the multiplayer standards. like, i only know one other coop game that is 3 player, and it's trine

[blissful hamlet]

oh baby 4 players

Get SLA on the line, new damage cap just dropped

[sterile wraith]

alr but it doesn't mean that 4 is the multiplayer standard that they can't try having 3?? It's not dumb perse to do that 😂

I don't really care anyway, but it seems so out of pocket to just randomly increase the squad count

[pliant lintel]

yeah, true, but i fele like they kinda didn't want to turn people away jsut for a gimmick

like, i don't like it ether, but i can't blame them

[humble forum]

some sort of patch came out?

a small one

[sterile wraith]

everything just has been feeling weird, these few patch notes

[sturdy geyser]

And to think that Scott told me that everything is built around 3 players when I asked if there'd ever be 4 player squads...

[stone cliff]

lmao

[humble forum]

what are the basic ode guys called again

[sterile wraith]

it's so strange that they suddenly change there plans on this

[stone cliff]

corpses

dead meat

[full delta]

4 players?

[simple mason]

I mean it is built around 3 player squads, testing for 4 doesn't make that not true

[humble forum]

was it synoid or something like that?

[simple mason]

Sinecure

[humble forum]

ah right the sinecure

[simple mason]

Synod leads the Sinecure

[sturdy geyser]

That answer doesn't exactly communicate "we will add them soon"

[humble forum]

i love being beaten to death by 10 sinecure all at once

[sterile wraith]

The Great Sinecure Army!!!!
From the Sinecure Soldiers, The Ode'n Starcasters to the Ode'n Wardogs.....

[sturdy geyser]

They definitely increased the number of enemies in camps

[simple mason]

At the time that answer was given maybe they weren't planning on adding it 🤷‍♂️

[sturdy geyser]

I'm noticing more and more enemies in my fights

[stone cliff]

is there a point in saving these lower rank high perk orsts?

[sturdy geyser]

You never know

[sterile wraith]

only if you want to keep them

[blissful hamlet]

perk transfering maybe

[simple mason]

For whatever crafting is added to break them down eventually

I'm keeping them until my slots are full at least

[humble forum]

ive noticed that too more so at higher level areas

[stone cliff]

Im hunting for a legendary with 8 perks

once I have it Ill only need 1 copy of the weap tbh

[runic siren]

have DE said this will actually be a thing?

[sterile wraith]

yeah me as well currently 😭

[simple mason]

Yes, one sec

[sturdy geyser]

Want mine? Only 200 arcs, friends and family discount

[stone cliff]

will there be a way to like tranfer perks or smth

[vagrant wigeon]

they broke the codex images lol

[stone cliff]

or use weapons as fodder so a legendary has more perks?

[simple mason]

https://www.youtube.com/live/lH3PIUqpzJA?si=qoqcQXmBrusBykMz&t=1033

[runic siren]

well hell, I wish they would have highlighted this in the patchnotes (unless I totally missed it)

that makes me feel way less awful about the rng grind

dear god, someone pin this please lmao

[plush rose]

forgot the s

jk

[simple mason]

One singular thank

[runic siren]

oh no, that was intentional

[simple mason]

Batman Begin

[sterile wraith]

damn 😭

[frosty ore]

de can we get a rollback 🙏

hotfix is way too undercooked

[stone cliff]

the weapon selling got fixed

so I got 100 slots back lol

I was legit buying slots bc I couldnt sell weapons lol

[sturdy geyser]

It only happened once to me

[frosty ore]

wyld bromius encounter!

[dapper gorge]

yo bro

[stone cliff]

I couldnt sell weapons at all

[sturdy geyser]

Spoiler

[craggy fossil]

4 players is wild!

[stone cliff]

I would sell a weapon and get infinite loading screen

both as client or solo

[craggy fossil]

Ah yes shatter

[stone cliff]

that at least got fixed

[sturdy geyser]

The trick is to not be afraid of it

[frosty ore]

true. just burn it down so it doesn't come back 🙂

[stuck breach]

That is a very agressive way of telling me I can't have the chest ...

[sterile wraith]

Water bug in the nightfold is still here....

frying my game rn

[stuck breach]

Oh so that's what people have been talking about... spicy

[random prism]

Yeah the Nightfold is screwy right now.

[sterile wraith]

ah it goes away now after a while

it doesn't linger anymore

[random prism]

I don't get the water bug but the lighting is also all wrong.

Very noticeable in the tent.

[frosty ore]

how are you even doing that?

[sterile wraith]

i'm doing nothing... I just go in my nightfold, move not even a milimeter... and then the ripples just keep multiplying

[golden lagoon]

it's a regression of a much older bug.. amused that it's back 😄

[slender smelt]

Guys am I just having worst RNG imaginable or is Wazzard's Wish drops bugged? Been trying to get it since P12 and only gotten 2. Got 75+ Erstroot, 25+ Wrests and tons of Runes..

It's like only item I'm missing except two others from P14 😭 I'm losing hope.

[frosty ore]

i dont even get ripples...

[unborn jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[candid stone]

yall think this is a good perk? seems kinda meh

[winter steeple]

thats the best one

I love how it does a lot of when you .

[sturdy geyser]

Oh i finally got a stock orst

No tempers

[dim wave]

4 players huh

about time, the 3 player fad was annoying

[sturdy geyser]

Now I'm wondering if 9 tempers is actually possible or not

[winter steeple]

nope

[dim wave]

idk what GDC talk convinced so many devs that their games should be 3 players

[winter steeple]

highest tier has up to 8

[sturdy geyser]

But there are 9 buffs

[winter steeple]

soulframe has a sort of "rule of threes" thing going on

[winter steeple]

yup

[sturdy geyser]

And my legendary doesn't have full force 😭

[winter steeple]

NEVERMIND I GUESS

[random prism]

3 was already pushing the limit of strategic balance, 4 is a clear step into a giant moshpit of AoE.

[sturdy geyser]

Nah doesn't have to be aoe stuff

it better not be

[dim wave]

you cannot balance this type of game for multiple players

it has never been done

[sterile wraith]

how did this even happen though 😂 like how is the code so spaghetti that the script fixes would bug out the journal???

[winter steeple]

Steven could do it

[north snow]

Wow 4 players nice

[dim wave]

when it comes to third person action games like these a boss is either designed for 1 players or multiple. you cannot make a single moveset work for both

[winter steeple]

my precious rule of threes 😭

[north snow]

Now increase the boss health again by a nice amount and it’d be nice

[dim wave]

i really do mean that this is a problem yet to be solved

[slow acorn]

were years away from release so whatevs shrugs

[winter steeple]

Ooh, imagine you get a party with wyld teth, wyld sirin, wyld oscelda, and someone with paragon

[slow acorn]

I am MOS DEF HAPPY for 4 players

you won't change my mind 🙂

[slender smelt]

Enemy levels atleast increase now with party size, and earlier P releases made it that there's more enemies based on party size. So it's going to right direction. You can balance it for 4, but enemies cannot remain as if you were solo.

[random prism]

If both enemy amount and level amp with each player now, I suppose it could be possible. Definitely plays way differently tho.

At that point you do not treat each enemy as an individual but the whole crowd as just something to throw damage at.

[slender smelt]

I get that 3 was ideal size for this type of game, but coming from Warframe, huge chunk of us have 4 player squads coming into this game 😅

[random prism]

It's just vs horde hack 'n slash tactics at that point. The rhythm will completely change.

[dim wave]

bosses are the problem

[slender smelt]

^ This

Bosses die far too quick in squad, especially with ah the good ol Tethren in squad.

[random prism]

They need to do a bunch of work there yeah, but I imagine balance passes to be later on.

Stuff that provides a multi needs to not stack with any other multi.

Fellust should not compound with runes or stuff like Bestone.

They should both add to base.

And that's just at the very least.

[sterile wraith]

i mean, just like normal party scaling works, maybe add moveset scaling for parties as well?

[slender smelt]

Ye enemy balancing isn't only problem. We're kinda at the midway when it comes to pact and our weapon balancing with all the changes to Virtues and how everything works. So it will come down the line.

No point to tweak enemies too much until players themselves have been set to the point DE wants them to be at.

[night girder]

wyld teth, wyld sirin, wyld oscelda and dave

[dim wave]

that means every boss is 2 bosses

oh wait actually more likely 3 to 4

because what works for 2 players will rarely work for 4

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-random-kid-random-kid-gif-10698606526004440975

[sterile wraith]

not necessarily.
you can have a base move set for singleplayer and then each new player adds onto that a new special move to make it harder?

[neat otter]

that means you're locking solo players out of content

[sterile wraith]

no? any reward or loot is the same?

its just that the difficulty is changing a bit?

[slender smelt]

^ This, rather have bosses have attacks that target all party members at the same time. Like Mendicant's laser thing only targets one player so others can just.. beat him up while he charges it.

[dim wave]

not really. the change even from 1 to 2 players is too dramatic

you really just need a full redesign

what you are describing is what warframe does, and it get's away with it by heaving mechanics based bosses and by being a third person shooter

The good warframe bosses anyway

[neat otter]

Warframe has some fights with hard mode versions, but both versions of the fight are available regardless of squad size

[sterile wraith]

guys it doesn't have to be a completely new move set with each player..... just a little modifier of maybe having some area of effects or isolating on player from the group?? i don't get what the problem is here.... solo players wouldn't miss any content, except for oh no a little difficulty

[dim wave]

Again, we can theorize all we want about this, and it's fun, but the thing is there isn't any game like this that manages to do this correctly.

The ones that get the closest are third person shooters, it's easier for them.

[neat otter]

the way it's worked in every game I've played is that the enemies get a little buff to avoid them dying so fast that it's boring and other than that they're completely unchanged

balancing content separately for each player count is not a good use of dev time

just add like 20% HP for each additional player and call it a day

[winter steeple]

can you still not reforge the orst-III

[dim wave]

oh yeah

don't hold your breath i doubt they will allow it any time soon

i think the orst is made to use a different version of the reforge system that we don't have yet. My bet is it will stay broken till that new version comes to main

[sterile wraith]

that's really sad... I like the idea of the joineries

[summer axle]

I like how seamless coop mods for dark souls and elden ring work, every enemy gets a percentage increase to health, and poise based on playercount, works easily enough

[dim wave]

no i mean

right now joineries are a mess

we are stuck in the middle of a old system and a new one

[blissful hamlet]

Is splitbolt supposed to take 2 charges or is it the durglint bug again

[summer axle]

agreed joineries are a little.. odd. only ones really worth using are twice and thrice blessed depending on the weapon

[random prism]

It apparently always worked and the bug was only visual.

[dim wave]

like different joinery types stopped doing different things and that doesn't make any sense

i think they will go back to doing something different

[winter steeple]

well thats nice

[sterile wraith]

yeah but that wasn't the case before, I think the tempers were supposed to be the joineries from before but are scrapping the system, in turn for the rng stuff

[dim wave]

or it was just that, lmao

i guess we should have tested the dmg to see

[winter steeple]

the question is, do i strength cap, or split virtue with it?

[dim wave]

i think this is too build specific

[summer axle]

I'm not really sure on how they used to be

[dim wave]

depends a lot on what pact you wanna run

[summer axle]

I joined p14 lol

[random prism]

Also, is this some other bug or are virtues not saved per loadout now?

[sterile wraith]

they added some secondary effects like life steal or more parry window and stuff. but they then removed that and replaced it with adding more virtue attunment which doesn't make any sense, and now we got tempers on the weapon that would have basically done the same thing as the joineries from before

[dim wave]

Joineries used to each type give the weapon new different bonuses. those bonuses are now attached to the levels of the weapon. so right now you have different joinery types that can be aplied to the same weapon and all do the same thing, just scale a virtue

[sturdy geyser]

Basically reverting a second loadout would revert to the first loadout's distribution

[random prism]

Ah.

[summer axle]

I don't mind the attunement additions, that's kinda fun, but rn it's a bit of a weird one cause different weapons really need the different either thrice or twice refinements based on attunement cap and how you want them done, I think it would be cool to also have those extra additions of bonuses like life steal etc

rn there's basically no point in having single virtue pips in the joineries

[random prism]

Thrice are easily farmed enough that the previous two tiers have no reason to exist imo.

And if there's no plan on adding unique effects back, multiple types of joinery are meaningless.

At the very least Gildaur shouldn't exist.

[sterile wraith]

no and that is what is so strange about all of this.... why aren't they changing it all in one go, instead we get these half baked, barely working updates that build up towards the one thing we actually want to test and play

[random prism]

Or Gildaur should be all that exists.

[summer axle]

unless they're making it so they stack in the future, rn it's pointless lol

[random prism]

One or the other.

[winter steeple]

you know, i havent seen anyone talking about this, but the totem system is kind of a mess right?

like theres way, way too many

and half of them are basically useless

[sterile wraith]

everything is a mess at this point 😭

the only thing that really works in avakot selling me stuff

[random prism]

Yeah it does feel like we have some mechanic bloat right now.

Or things just aren't really all that tied together.

[sturdy geyser]

Totems adn runes are getting reworked in p15

Which is later this month

[random prism]

Again.

So we'll see how that goes.

[winter steeple]

great, you just DElayed it by 2 weeks, good job

[sturdy geyser]

Nah I'm quoting Steve!

Yoo what are there death animations

It was fine w mace but bows too? 😂

My guy did a forward backflip dying to a headshot

Is that even possible physics wise

[foggy fern]

Any details on it so far?

[sturdy geyser]

Don't think they said anything about that no

[foggy fern]

It's possible, coolness wise

[golden lagoon]

It's part of the p14.5 patch notes:

New, varied and exaggerated enemy death animations have been added.

And it's a really nice touch

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah I've seen em but some are exaggerated

And misplaced

[devout raptor]

Yeah some trigger too easily. The big flying ones should be heavy wep only

[sturdy geyser]

I do like em

They're fun

[devout raptor]

When they hit right though its kino

[north snow]

So are the bosses harder with more party members ? I saw enemy level but I’m hoping health as well

[foggy fern]

Four player parties dropped. Thoughts?

[sturdy geyser]

Hahaha i killed this enemy with a light arrow and he did a sideways flip

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah that's usually how it is

[devout raptor]

Happy cause my group of 4 can play together. Tiny bit sad cause i liked the vibe of 3 player parties. Tighter than WF parties

[white otter]

eh

[winter steeple]

hmmmmm

[white otter]

pick.... THAT ONE!

[oak plover]

Don't listen to Wagiii. Pick the other one!

[foggy fern]

I'm torn. I like being able to play with more friends (if any of my friends actually played this game), but I'm a little worried that either they'll balance the game around 4 players with more enemy density, or 4 players will just roll all content

[languid ore]

Why can't my friend give faction items to get faction exp ?

[foggy fern]

Pick number 3, my lord!

[foggy fern]

Like at all? Or he can't after selling a certain amount?

[winter steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/actually-you-can-its-possible-you-can-do-it-you-got-this-its-doable-gif-15585320

[languid ore]

Any attempt that's what they get

[white otter]

basically same with the second half of that yeah... + i feel like it'll just lead to more and more people complaining about being able to just steamroll thru absolutely anything with no challenge. (i don't do multiplayer myself so that's why)

[sturdy geyser]

Hahaha

[foggy fern]

Honestly, avakot is lowkey racist for this

[frosty ore]

literally the catholic church at some point.

They literally tried the "buy your way out of hell" strat

[white otter]

....just.. why?

[foggy fern]

If they can get the enemy scaling right, I think it could work. I want a challenge, and the game is already on the easy side

[sturdy geyser]

Aw c'mon wagi

It'll be fun trust

[frosty ore]

four players opens the door to 8 player lobbies which in turn leads to raids.

think about it 🧠

[foggy fern]

And as we all know, 8 player leads to 16 player, which opens the door for team death match

[somber bear]

hey uh, looks like cooldowns are being shared between cogah and normal bosses? Anyone getting this?

[sturdy geyser]

They are aren't they

[summer axle]

holy crap stock maces do exist

[sturdy geyser]

I thought I was crazy

I got 2 already

[summer axle]

I figured all of them came with buffs lmao

[frosty ore]

can confirm. i've been getting them non-stop

[summer axle]

xD

[sturdy geyser]

I'm glad i finished farming the best tiers

[foggy fern]

This was a drop, not a reforge?

[summer axle]

indeed

[hardy oyster]

I got 2 in a row in cogah lmao

[foggy fern]

Unfortunate

[dapper gorge]

GToDEFPaS.

[devout raptor]

They are trying in the wrong spot ironically. They need to go to Check Standing > Favours > Sell

[somber bear]

Shot Sam a modmail asking if it's intentional 🙏

[sterile wraith]

is the mace quality drop bugged?

cause i have been getting a lot of just stock quality

and before i got military and souvereign

[rare socket]

if we are gonna get like, exotic weapons, any ideas for exotic tempers?

[sterile wraith]

yeah!! I thought it was bugged, because i have gotten many of those, and before i was getting more military and officer ones

[dapper gorge]

What the heck is going on with my virtues

[surreal basalt]

Aside from the all too slippery slider?

[dapper gorge]

I'm missing virtue points on Oscelda

[obtuse rampart]

give non fly blade weapons a fly blade style orbit throw
great swords and maces spinning around you

[surreal basalt]

And you have reentered arsenal to make sure it updated?

[rare socket]

what if they brought back those + - buttons so u can adjust the virtues better?

[winter steeple]

whats more annoying is that Noble, Sovereign, and Legendary ones dont exist

[dapper gorge]

I'm not even in the balance screen, I just swapped pacts

[obtuse rampart]

im amazed they didnt

[surreal basalt]

Because mine constantly needs me to exit and enter arsenal to properly show virtue numbers

[dapper gorge]

Duelo vs Wyld Oscelda

[surreal basalt]

And to make sure i understand when you swap to oscelda and reenter arsenal it still shows it wrong?

[dapper gorge]

Yup

[blissful hamlet]

are you swapping loadouts bc thats a 6 virtue difference

[sterile wraith]

there is an invisible screen in the glades

[blissful hamlet]

are you sure its not a +6 talisman

[surreal basalt]

Because thats what i meant with needing to exit and enter arsenal, every time i swap pacts i need to exit to update the numbers

[surreal basalt]

Weird

[dapper gorge]

Nope, only pact. Same talisman and slider

Fixed it by resetting the art and reassigning the points

[clever jewel]

Anyone else swimming during the duelo?

[winter steeple]

i need more

i need Noble craftwork

[sterile wraith]

wth guys!!!! i just saw a tree fell down and suddenly some sproutfolk enemies start bashing me together with some ode people!!!

they are cutting the trees down!!!

fell down

[winter steeple]

How do you think you got your treefell rune?

[languid ore]

Thanks :D

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-gif-6685281874701367740

the trees are speaking ode'nese

[clever jewel]

The entire maestra fight is bugged. I cannot fight her at all.

[dapper gorge]

Stuck swimmin?

[frosty ore]

just keep swimming

[clever jewel]

Yep. If i jump i stop swimming but i cant do anything

[wanton lotus]

.

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/meridia's-beacon-rotating-gif-16888739884483239068

welcome sacrifice newcomer

[jolly lake]

This void-forsaken beacon again...

[frosty ore]

every time a newcomer shows up.
just like how it is in skyrim lol

[sterile wraith]

man what are they smocking?

[frosty ore]

obviously they're smocking neathcaps

[halcyon notch]

damn latest hotfix helped me alot with not finding military/officer mace

now i am finding stock one xD

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/vape-gif-558651375017208183

ode be like

[frosty ore]

I actually knew a few people who fully believed that air was poisonous but SOMEHOW thought vaping was the cure.
you can guess where they are now

[sterile wraith]

bro is running away like he has to go to the toilet 😭

[wanton lotus]

Hi guys i need a game invitation, there is no streams with drops enabled right now please help

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/mafia-boss-gif-27405310

[sterile wraith]

i'll help you!!! let me check the agenda.... there is a stream the 26th!!

but maybe someone else has a code?

all my codes are gone already 😔

[quaint zinc]

check dm

[split hill]

have they removed the consumable needed to change virtues?

[humble forum]

for some reason parrying is really unreliable now

[frosty ore]

yea light attack spam seems to be better for now

[split hill]

I'll check back tomorrow

[sterile wraith]

heum....

[split hill]

https://imgur.com/a/verminia-drab-cd4GzuP

[raven marsh]

swim sprint yey

[sterile wraith]

welll....

all the maces are legit just stock now

i can't get anymore above officer

[sterile wraith]

damn you are already legendary in soulframe??????? 🤯

[heady ice]

so, there is mountais up north, after the sea, is that something

[analog plover]

atm its just skybox dressing

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[slow acorn]

yes no work since Sept. 12th sadly

London, Ontario has highest unemployment rate in the entire country of Canada

anywhoo

just wanted to share

carry on

[frosty ore]

ngl the "ai" over human workers should honestly be a crime