envoy-gathering

[tardy scaffold]

It's good for the perfectionist psychos, and good enough for me. I really don't like "optimizing the fun out of the game" for myself, so I'm perfectly fine going all in on a mid version of a weapon, especially if combat is still gonna be this easy (runes cough cough runes)

[sterile wraith]

i come back once in a while as well, just doing a bit of grinding her and there.

[white otter]

hiiiighly doubt combat will stay as easy as it is for forever.

[sick gull]

I just want to have everything maxed out in SF and thats about it. I got 1 mace, Im happy since i can max it. Thats all i want.

[tardy scaffold]

geez i hope so

[tropic cypress]

i dont have any greatsword runes, are they good ?

[sharp beacon]

you prolly still wont need god rolls

[sick gull]

difficulty needs to be increased 10x

[sterile wraith]

yeah true, as a collector I am just gonna get a good rank weapon instead of highly optimizing

[tardy scaffold]

GIve me a Non-Cogah hard mode

[white otter]

ye that will probably be a niche thing you can still go for but not something that's needed

[sharp beacon]

these should be buffs for specific playstyles not needed stat increases like mods

[sick gull]

i want cogah hardcore mode

cogah is easy. Its like an easy P8

[tropic cypress]

i mean you don't need god roll rivens to be viable in warframe lol

[white otter]

....yeah? related in what way? 👀

[frosty ore]

everything is hard until it becomes easy.

[sharp beacon]

you dont need MODS to be viable half the time

[white otter]

Warframe isn't meant to be hard

[sharp beacon]

the games been so powercrept sp enemies die to a wet fart

[tardy scaffold]

Like, just a difficulty increase switch for the whole game that stacks ON TOP of Cogah. Like, once you "master" an area by finding every POI, doing every quest and so on (midrath, Cassia), you unlock it's Steel-Path equivalent, (level 50-90) and can just flick a switch in the nightfold to turn it on or off

[sick gull]

:3

[hollow frost]

spin to win and squirt all over sp enemies

[frosty ore]

if you want hard then play the "employment hunt" level on irl simulator.

easy.

[white otter]

or alternatively, my summer car or my winter car

if you really hate yourself

[sick gull]

i think its less about wanting something hard and more about wanting some actual difficulty in the game because right now its so trivial you dont really need to engage with the mechanics all that much

[indigo sage]

I heard you need a good seed for that one, the nepotism hack goes hard

[white otter]

are you going proper/somewhat minmaxed or?

[sick gull]

i just max courage and hit things. Wouldnt really say minmaxxed

ive been couragemaxxing since P8

[white otter]

[frosty ore]

kinda hard if your entire server is taken over by minmaxxed players hell bent on farming off of newcomers

[fallow hemlock]

anyone else get stuck in infinite loading screens when trying to sell the mace?

[sick gull]

Ive gotten slightly worse at parrying because my go to is basically spam attack on enemies and win

[frosty ore]

the trusty r1 spam lol

[sick gull]

ive seen tons complain about this

just spamming R1 to win. Because even if you get hit you get HP back.

[fallow hemlock]

i like to use the magick staffs so i get killed regularly with melee weapons

[white otter]

so... choosing to go the more boring way?

[fallow hemlock]

it's a bad bug they'll need to fix prior to dropping, or part of, p15

[serene stump]

when can you start playing with friends in this game, I just started

[sick gull]

Eh sometimes I force myself to parry to keep my skills with it but it just makes fights take longer because at times it takes an enemy 15 calendar years to attack you

[white otter]

after completing the Rise, Envoy fable

which is essentially the starting gear picking stuff

tho very much so not suggested to do fables in multiplayer due to prog stop bugs

[neat otter]

you at least have to finish the warsongs fable
I don't think they're going to let a baby play with strangers

[fallow hemlock]

pretty quickly. after like 10 or 15 mins of gameplay

[sick gull]

trying to parry enemies is an exercise in frustration at times.

Bro just attack me I dont got all day

[serene stump]

Alright, thanks for the help man

[neat otter]

i just want this wazzard to give me the last two motes in his ruin

[sick gull]

I suspect it may be an Ode tactic to tire the envoy out so he surrenders

[white otter]

mmmmmmm no, not allowed.

[sick gull]

the ruin always has like 2 motes per room though?

[wraith mountain]

Somwhow I've listened to Song of Waste 108 times on Spotify since it came out. Not counting the remixes and the versions posted on youtube 😭

[white otter]

yeah no

[neat otter]

I average like 0.1 motes per run

[sick gull]

It did for me at least

[white otter]

haaaaaaaaax

[sick gull]

At times I returned to a room i cleared and it had 2 motes

they dont spawn on entry

but just... at some point

usually helps waiting around in the big rooms after you killed everyone

and they eventually spawn

[rigid musk]

I did that and each time it only spawned 1 mote.

[sick gull]

i always had groups of 2 motes in each room for some reason

2 per run

maybe the RNG gods smiled upon me

[rigid musk]

And it's not tied to how long you're in there. I had a few runs where I just sat around in each of the rooms they spawn in for about 30 minutes per room and nothing. Then they showed up after I beat the mama worm.

[sick gull]

I think it is, for the room

because they very often spawned a minute or two after i cleared it

[rigid musk]

They never did for me.

[neat otter]

every copy of soulframe is personalized

[sick gull]

rng is mysterious

[rigid musk]

I tried multiper permutations, including killing everyone in the dungeon except the boss fight, and backtracking. Nothing. They only showed up after the boss fight.

[sick gull]

enemies in room basically stop them from spawning and i assume theyre predetermined where

[tropic cypress]

i need Durglint so bad

[sick gull]

i never backtracked after the boss so cant say

i just kill
wait
oh theres a mote- oh another

i never had 3 so i assume 2 is max

[neat otter]

I don't think I've ever had more than one mote per login session in the rovgot ruins

[rigid musk]

And people also got some runes in under 100 agari/cogah agari kills...

[sick gull]

meanwhile i dont think i ever had 1

[sick gull]

i think i got all the runes and didnt do that much cogah lol

[rigid musk]

I did, as I got one on a folow-up run after getting the first one. The second one didn't save, so I had to re-get it.

[sick gull]

they oft spawned in pairs for me oddly enough

anyways sleep time

Luckily the only thing i wanted this patch was Mace (1) and i got that

[rigid musk]

We need to compare notes more comprehensively at some point. I'm starting to think there may be something where the RNG is simply favoring some players, and being absolutly evil to others, while most players fall in the middle.

[sick gull]

once mace is maxed ill just wait till next patch

[sick gull]

Maybe? Ive never had a bad time grinding anything

its always been generally quite quick

usually 1-2 days of a patch drop

of semi casual grind since i actually have a jo

job

[rigid musk]

Conversely, I've had a lot of times spent cussing the RNG. I wasn't joking about the 100 kills for a rune, and anotehr 100 kills for a cogah rune.

[sick gull]

oh yeah see my logic with runes was as follows

"i got the one i need"

So i didnt bother. Now I have like 1 billion runes

i only wanted the longsword rune but i have them all and plenty so

[rigid musk]

I was trying to get the ones I needed. Bow main. Couldn't get the bow runes to drop.

[sick gull]

huh aaccording to little genius i dont have 3 runes. Durglint for shield, hollowing for magick and treefell for heavy. Im sure ill get them one day whereever they drop

[rigid musk]

P15 will have trading, so that's goinna be cool.

[sick gull]

it will?

heh

[rigid musk]

Yeah. Steve dropped that bombshell on the steream beforee the update yesterday.

[sick gull]

i guess we need to do something with all the rune duplicates

which is just to dust or sell

the bow rune is such trash

alcas breath

[rigid musk]

Incorrect.

[sick gull]

in terms of: it drops so often

only thing that drops more is forburn

i have 27 alcas breath which is a lot considering my playtime

[rigid musk]

Ah. I hear someond say something is trash, I think in terms of useful/quality terms.

[sick gull]

i hate bows anyways

not as bad as magick

magick is designed by a person who hates the playerbase

genuinely hates them

wouldnt surprise me if using magick activates a cryptominer on your pc

[rigid musk]

I think the problem with magic weapons isn't actually the weapons, but rather the auto-soft-lockon that absolutly hates the players.

[sick gull]

I dont know why they thought a playstyle that actively encourages doing absolutely nothing.
Damage boost? Stand. Do nothing. Let go of the movemet keys/stick
Attacking? Autolock on. Dont even aim.

You can headshot with heavy attacks! Actually no, we're removing that. Have less gameplay.

Magick: The gameplay style that can be replicated by an autoclicker and the player walking away

[rigid musk]

Auto-lockon = you start attacking air, squirrels, a distant box, the wrong enemies.

[sick gull]

i had this yeah

i hate the soft lock on with melee too.

[unique ermine]

I would have prefered if magick had alternate attacks that requires some charging for special effects rather than normal projectile and big projectile

Like actual magic

[rigid musk]

See? We do have common ground!

[sick gull]

The duelo fight with many dudes? My character just randomly attacked attacked some random dude off screen on the literal other side of the boat instead of the guy in front of me

i still remember that because of how much it pissed me off

my character LITERALLY turned around and magnetized towards some guy on the other side of the boat. WHY?

[sick gull]

i use sprint to lockon cancel

[rigid musk]

This has been going on since before I got in.

[sick gull]

its actually the best way to play

[misty veldt]

they added mines

like

[sick gull]

landmines have been for ages

[misty veldt]

didnt expect that

[rigid musk]

Mines have been around longer than I have.

[misty veldt]

never seen 1 till now

[sick gull]

they added orbital drop pod troopers

[devout raptor]

I've never seen one until yesterday with a few hundred hours of gameplay. I think they're been missing or really really really rare.

[rigid musk]

They 're kinda a leftover, from when sparrow tales were all we had. Just one random objective in the starter area. The "kill bannerette at (location name" ones had mines. Usually Curail or Garren Shrine.

[sick gull]

DE does this annoying thing where they added stuff to the game then people complain and they pull it back so hard you basically never see it

[surreal basalt]

You tend to see someone talk about stepping on landmines every so often

[sick gull]

i hate what DE did to grenades

i havent seen a grenade at all this patch

they actually made me reposition as a melee character in a fight

[rigid musk]

Yeah. They're kinda like IRL places that had some old wars, and there's random mines laying around still.

[sick gull]

i miss the old days. Prelude players, remember when you got spammed with 3-10 grenades at once?

i unironically liked that

same for white mage dudes having arc lockon

[raw burrow]

gernade stagger lock OH YEAH.
It's a git gud moment when you perfect dodge out of a gernade into a perfect parry <3
Now no more.

[sick gull]

it used to make you prioritize targets

[sick gull]

since they removed lockon the arc guys are worthless trash

[sick gull]

Come on! You had to dodge and reposition, then charge the guys to stop them from spamming

now its: Spam R1

every fight has 1 solution: Spam R1

[raw burrow]

remember when you could shoot a landmine to insta kill a bannerette and complete a sparrow tale

[rigid musk]

I know. It was anti-fun.

[sick gull]

I think it was fun, but did need to be toned down a bit

it was perfectly fine since they did?

[rigid musk]

YEah. That's where bows really shined back in the day.

[sick gull]

but now its basically no grenades at all?

did they accidentally remove them?

I do think enemies having battlefield control and making the player move is a good thing

i do kinda hate the cage thing the ode do though

[rigid musk]

One of the patch notes is that they nerfed grende thower frequency.

[sick gull]

yeah, but they nerfed it out of existance for some reason

i didnt know it was even a problem since the last nerf

seemed... perfectly fine?

i thought theyd up it not lower it

see grenade.
Just... move.

[rigid musk]

Eh... They could get a bit spammy. Maybe you're just too skilled, above teh averge SF player?

[sick gull]

How skilled do you have to be to move out of an AoE?

its super obvious

[slow acorn]

I mean that's very subjective haha

could be an accessbility issue for some

[rigid musk]

Depends on the context. Sometimes, you don't even see that someone threw a grenade till unexpected boom, cause that guy was offscreen.

[slow acorn]

shrugs

[sick gull]

sound cues but i guess

you do have to be aware of the fight youre in

[slow acorn]

some people don't play with sound

[sick gull]

I feel like at some point people are just making it harder on themselves 🤨

[slow acorn]

I am neither for nor against it

but it might be bugged

[sick gull]

SF is generally quite fair in terms of dealing out damage i find

[slow acorn]

they may have like tuned it down to much it's hard find the perfect balance

[rigid musk]

It's mainly a problem when there's a hoard of enemies. Too much going on all at once to keep tabs on them all.

[sick gull]

you always have a good amount of time to get out of the way, visuals and sound

How much is a hoard? You dont really fight 30+ enemies all that often

[rigid musk]

And they also mentioned that more enemies are in the world now, and that they'll start coming in from further away to gang up on you. So, that seems like "yeah, now grenaders will be extra-spammy, time to nerf them".

[sick gull]

Possible. Though Ive yet to see a single nade this patch

[rigid musk]

I'm downloading the update now. Haven't had time for gaming, till now.

[sick gull]

I kinda wish they made these sort of things for cogah. The extra nades, lockon arc guys

thats a nice extra layer of difficulty rather than just less heals and 1 life

i miss the arc guys locking on. I still remember specifically timing dodges into the arc so i can follow up the 2nd one to dodge through it and get to him. Was a bit of a combat puzzle

[rigid musk]

I usually don't bother with cogah since I got the runes and talismans. but yeah, I could see things like un-nerfing grenadeer amounts as part of the "cogah = hard mode" stuff.

[dapper gorge]

Seen em, definitely manageable though

[sick gull]

combat puzzle might be a good phrase, thats really not the case anymore

[slow acorn]

don't forget about newer players as well guys

oh cool steven good 2 know!

[sick gull]

I played P8. We had no armour, 90000 grenades spammed at us and it wasnt that bad XD

[slow acorn]

LOL

[dapper gorge]

They're not crazy spamming, if you fight eight at once, you'll maybe get one every 10 seconds with good visual cues

[sick gull]

i started in P8 so that was my new player experience

[rigid musk]

I started in p6.

Remember when there was no such thing as friend codes? Vlad remembers...

[sick gull]

I miss P8 i still think i had the most fun from the combat back then. I was actually engaged with the mechanics and the enemies were a puzzle to solve

[dapper gorge]

Steve remembers

[sick gull]

now it really devolved into spam R1

[balmy thorn]

where to farm bannerets?

[dapper gorge]

Eh, combat was very floaty, didn't feel great

[sick gull]

sometimes spam a rune because they made runes something you activate so that its a lot easier for the players

[sick gull]

yeah melee was genuine trash

[rigid musk]

What's "R1"?

[sick gull]

Right 1?

RB?

Right Bumper

[dapper gorge]

I think he's asking what that translates to on m&k

[sick gull]

M1

[rigid musk]

No. I was asking what it was. Not used to seeing a number by R.

[sick gull]

playstation layout, i think

i havent used a playstation controller since the PS3 so not sure

[rigid musk]

I've never used a playstation controller.

[sick gull]

its just still in my mind

[dapper gorge]

Ah yeah, ps uses r1, r2, r3

[sick gull]

this controller says RB so i guess its RB

[dapper gorge]

As opposed to rb, rt, rs

[sick gull]

I never seen an XBOX in my life and i switched to PC after the PS3 so it is what it is

i only bought a controller for soulframe because it felt like it'd play better. It really does.

Funky since i havent used one in... a long long time

[rigid musk]

I gave up on consoles after the xbox 360. Before that, I had just nintedo consoles.

[sick gull]

yeah no consoles for me since ps3

no reason to buy them anyways

they have no games

[rigid musk]

Too expensive.

[sick gull]

Or at least none id play

[flint iris]

Eyy fellow ex console guy with the same gen I last owned before transitioning

Main difference is
I went Xbox controller after and never went back

It fits in my hands better and I'm asian

[sick gull]

i really dont like the xbox sticks

[sly silo]

either way, clicking it does nothing, i am locked on druid of I. but could reblance?

[sick gull]

i hate the PS4 controller sticks even more than the xbox ones

PS2/PS3 sticks were peak

[sly silo]

this is the wrong room. im sorry

[sick gull]

no its the right room, this is soulframe

no idea why it does that though

[rigid musk]

To each their own. I find them intuitive.

[sick gull]

i hate concave sticks so much

but everything is concave for some reason

I find it super uncomfortable

[rigid musk]

People have different comfort zones. I find temperatures under 73F to be chilly. Others find it to be warm.

[sick gull]

i think it just comes down to how i move the sticks

which is with the edge of my thumb and roll it around

[rigid musk]

Tactile things, tastes, smells... IT's all subjective.

[sick gull]

i dont press it down onto the center

Like this

[rigid musk]

I don't think I've ever bothered to examine how I use the sticks...

[sick gull]

i only did because i found sticks uncomfortable. I got a ps4 because i thought id like that but i HATED the sticks (their tops)

[tulip grotto]

How does one get a email invite to play soulframe?

[sick gull]

anyways sleep time

[rigid musk]

Sign up on the soulframe website and wait.

[tulip grotto]

ok thank you

[sick gull]

not if i have anything to say about it windows...

its 12 am im not doing an update

[rigid musk]

They send out invites every wednesday.

[rigid musk]

Eh. Just tell it to do it when you shut the computer down for the night.

[modern crest]

~~I don't want to level random trash gear.
The mace is neat and all, and some of its bonuses would make a nice weapon.

**Not fun: **Getting a bunch of lesser versions that are pointless to level up until you get one with a set of stats worth keeping. 25 level ups later a nicer set of stats drops.~~

[oblique pawn]

Don't they all share levels though?

[simple mason]

Yeah they do

[modern crest]

Do they? I can sit corrected

[oblique pawn]

So if you level a trash one and get a better one later it's all ready for you

[modern crest]

That solves that complaint, and is a system I don't think I've seen used before. Consider me consoled.

[oblique pawn]

DE out here innovating ways to make rng drops better

[pliant lintel]

I'm surprised no hotfix today. might be a good old case of "WHERE TF IS THE BUG???? IT'S BEEN SIX MONTH AND IT STILL EVADE ME"

[modern crest]

What is evading you?

[pliant lintel]

i mean, the plan is to have the dropped item grind be similar to something obtained from fragments, at least in term of lenght, so yeah, releveling constantly would be a pain

[rigid musk]

What big?

[frosty ore]

imagine having windows updates lol

(kidding)

[humble forum]

that might have been the worst fight ive ever had to partake in game really said: "hey fight 3 mages that are bosses and one heals the others and they all do way to much damage for you to deal with"

im aware its alpha but im praying this fight gets reworked

[frosty ore]

nobody expects the ode wizard league

nobody.

[humble forum]

like if they stayed at the same health and all jumped me or one held back while the others fought id be fine but no its litterally fight 2 bosses that you already defeated again but watch as all your progress with them disappears

[desert wave]

What do the lights mean?

[frosty ore]

power.

[desert wave]

Do they each have different effects?

[frosty ore]

nope. just raw power.

RAW

[desert wave]

Power as in more damage right?

How much for each one lit up?

[frosty ore]

specifically heavy attack power

the amount lit is how many times before you need new souls

[stark inlet]

exist in the account page a section with order list?

[desert wave]

So what I am hearing is to combine it with the Everflame 250%+ Flame Damage?

[frosty ore]

or treefell

[nimble sorrel]

Is it reasonable to expect that as you do quests and explore you will unlock the map quickly?

[desert wave]

Treefell kinda got nerfed into the ground. It's 4 hits of extended range vs 4 hits of flame damage.

[random prism]

Ah, did they remove the 8 seconds? Understandable tbh, given that it can hit like 6 people at once regularly.

And already has a rather sizeable flat damage boost.

And very fast charge speed, making it incredibly safe.

Different use case but still very good I imagine.

It still says 8 seconds for me tho.

Did they not change it?

Cus that's what it was after P14.

[desert wave]

If you ever wanted to feel like Benkei or Guts killing 6-10 people in a single swing

Treefell and Paragon was it lol

[winter steeple]

tree fell is still quite good imo

especially with the new Orst-III

[clever island]

so is there a better way to get Orst-3 besides just praying?

[winter steeple]

begging, pleading, bargaining, all of these methods show similar results

basically try to earn the sympathy of any god, angel, demon, fae, wizard, genie, ghost, or reality warper who will listen

[sharp beacon]

no its still a timer...

its still very good

[rare socket]

hunt down Sinecure-Errant Gawth
i believe his Orst is a guaranteed drop

[clever island]

does using the new brewski give better mace drops or no?

[winter steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/emu-otori-emu-project-sekai-gif-9013792498626540707

Gawth rn

[sharp beacon]

run this and kill every mace wielder you come across finish at the end of the bridge and relog and do it again

[rare socket]

no clue
havent done cogah yet TwT
but if you just want one, go for him

[winter steeple]

whoever gets a Moonsteel level orst has to give it to me

[errant plinth]

Have yet to even find a Legendary.

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/the-entire-world-is-about-to-know-your-home-address-home-address-doctor-strange-spider-man-no-way-home-gif-24283666

[errant plinth]

It's out there somewhere.

[rare socket]

me to Gawth

[rare socket]

i think moonsteel is just like a shiny variant
only changes the green leaves to silver moonsteel leaf

[errant plinth]

Relogging at the old fort, running between Gawth every 30 minutes, and killing any straggler mace enemies all day. Found about 40 of them, highest was Noble rarity.

[sharp beacon]

SHINY HUNTING, wait im goated at that

[humble forum]

thanks mom

[dapper gorge]

good time of day envoys, founders, paragons and stevens

[humble forum]

you forgot one

[rare socket]

heres da difference (found in da discord)

[humble forum]

imagine not saying hi to bromius

[heavy chasm]

You know what would be cool in the game. A 'pictish beast'.

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-forest-gif-25613852

[heavy chasm]

This little guy looks so funky

[sharp beacon]

rump thump:

[honest tangle]

.

[misty veldt]

Rump thump is bad

So like
Nobody likes bromius now

[somber portal]

Why cant I use runic abilities now?

[desert wave]

Really? ;o I can't seem to gain the gold charges for it at all to really test it out

[modern crest]

You need to set a new keybind for it

[somber portal]

Damn, I play controller so there's no option to in settings. Least not that I saw

[humble forum]

and the game crashed in rovgot ruins

[humble forum]

by ruinic ability do you mean the rune moves you get?

[somber portal]

Yeah

[humble forum]

for controller for me its both triggers

[somber portal]

I tried and that didnt do anything

[humble forum]

did you have a charge with the weapon i assume so

[somber portal]

Yup

[humble forum]

then yea sounds likea bug

[frosty ore]

that do be a rather fast bear.

[somber portal]

Looks like it. Relogged and I can now

Couldn't do any rune attacks for an entire cogah :(

[humble forum]

i didnt have any runes since before this patch

[modern crest]

Four bosses Agari down, no Virtue Liths dropped.

[somber portal]

Is there a reliable source of Twice/Thrice Blessed stuff?

[sturdy geyser]

Agari

[spare shuttle]

lk f key guys

[somber portal]

Of course

[hollow echo]

DE make my dream come true, next spirit guide is just a sparrow but uses dual zoren to coptor its way through the air

[somber portal]

Nightfold water seems really bad this patch

[hollow echo]

[tranquil edge]

hello guys how are we doing

[somber portal]

Good, messing around with the new mace

[maiden coral]

goood just dyin inside cause my armor ain't deluxe

[somber portal]

Lol

[tranquil edge]

:>

[somber portal]

Lol the mace i found has 6 tempers on it

[tranquil edge]

great googly moogly, isn't that the max (I'm updating rn cause I just learned about the tempering update today)

[somber portal]

I think so

[misty veldt]

I still use the vision plus heavy

[serene stump]

How do you get more arcs in the game?

[somber portal]

Right now, just buying them with IRL money i think. Don't know if there is trading yet

[misty veldt]

Camel

[serene stump]

alright, I saw I had 100 and was looking at differnt pacts and did not know if I could earn them

[hearty ibex]

Treasures yet Unc...

[hearty ibex]

Soulframe dad game confirmed

[frosty ore]

nuh uh

where's the envoy's father then?

[hearty ibex]

You, the player, are the envoy's father

[frosty ore]

nuh uh

[hearty ibex]

Pay alimony

[frosty ore]

it's medically impossible for me to be the envoy's father

[misty veldt]

Only bad 1 is first 1

[maiden coral]

is somethin comin on prelude 15?, cause if there is i want somethin to make this waist cape gone

[hearty ibex]

Eternalism

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-gif-13937144

[sturdy geyser]

We need a new word for it in soulframe

[misty veldt]

Crab

[hearty ibex]

Crab

[maiden coral]

potato

[misty veldt]

Everything goes back to crab
So crab pact

[humble forum]

foreverism

[misty veldt]

No

Just crab

[somber portal]

Crab pact when

[misty veldt]

Sinecure protogen

[somber portal]

Id very much like to not be sinecure

[hoary oracle]

Ceaslessism

[somber portal]

Lmao did one of these guys call me Tenno

[dim wave]

first drop

[hoary oracle]

Is getting one with multiple multipliers supposed to be rare or smth

[somber portal]

Got 2 more maces. One with galvanic damage, increased heavy and stagger damage, and more throw speed

[dim wave]

5 is max, but idk what modifiers are the best or even what are available

[somber portal]

6 is max

[dim wave]

oh okay]

[somber portal]

I keep getting maces with Venger :(

[dim wave]

anyway, this is a bit of a hollow experiment tbh without the way to craft your own they said would be in p15

[somber portal]

Enemies dont die slow enough to riposte

[dim wave]

i don't tink we can fully test this new way of loot without that part

[dim wave]

where is the farming spot?

[dapper gorge]

What's with the wandering Fenns?

[somber portal]

Im honestly just running around doing Sparrow Tales

[dapper gorge]

Bro out here walkin weird, can't be absorbed

[sturdy geyser]

Aura farming

If you look close

You'll see a mockery soul

[dapper gorge]

I tried to absorb him, and it just told me how to use runes

[frosty ore]

tbf i'd aura farm for no reason as well if i'm stuck wandering the undercity for eternity.

[dim wave]

btw is the lock system all screwed up for anyone else?

[simple mason]

Seemed fine on controller yesterday

[rare socket]

lil cleanup

[golden lagoon]

look closer at him.. he's got a ghostie in his belly. (https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1504216622938984548)

[frosty ore]

bugframe

[dim wave]

NVM controller aim assisit was off

[rigid musk]

Psst... you're being staked by backwasrds flying Cs.

[dapper gorge]

Seems fine, just a hand popping out of his chest

[frosty ore]

looks like he's staring into the camera lol

[rigid musk]

He might be. The eyes of the face on the woodchippers track the camera and ajust to always look at it.

[golden lagoon]

"Feed me, Seymour!"

[rigid musk]

Too bright. Makes my eyes bleed trying to look at it.

[misty veldt]

You pissed mora off

[frosty ore]

boss music plays

Actually, if he had a boss theme what would it be like?

[rigid musk]

Playing With Fire by J Michael Hearter.

[golden lagoon]

well. you see. He's the Fire king. so i bet it sounds exactly like the Kith of Kings theme when you enter the enclave || 😂 ||

[rigid musk]

It's a fun song about a redneck pyromanic.

[dapper gorge]

Uh oh

[misty veldt]

https://youtu.be/lGRESBZHt1s?si=_9sWvhyxqgvWjdJk

I would hope

[dapper gorge]

He did join me...so who was that wandering around?

[frosty ore]

who?

there was nobody there.

[golden lagoon]

Twinjamin Fettar

[dapper gorge]

Too early for Horrorstoryframe

That's for october

[frosty ore]

ngl i've always thought that since he can't be outside during the day why can't he just come out at night?

[misty veldt]

Nu hu

[misty veldt]

The moon is reflected sun

[rigid musk]

Naw. This one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezY0Lii0n3s

[swift gale]

Is there any plans to increase gore? I would love to cut someone in half with my greatswords and such

[misty veldt]

https://youtu.be/2yJgwwDcgV8?si=ApJXcA583lyBtFZd

No dis

[misty veldt]

That would be too fun

[frosty ore]

sadly this isn't doom

[swift gale]

I mean, DE did start with some great gore back in the time on Warframe

[somber bear]

I thought it was fake, but moonsteel variants actually exist :l

[frosty ore]

voruna prime trailer flashbacks

[misty veldt]

Lowkey
When was this?
The gore just causes the bodys to duplicate more often then not

[rare socket]

-# wut

[swift gale]

Watch some of the grineer deaths with slash weapons

[swift gale]

I meant the intent

I love the times when you kill a grineer and its just spasming without an arm or a leg

[misty veldt]

If they do gore its proly just gona be cut scenes

Nothin else

[frosty ore]

true. investors are more brutal now

[misty veldt]

Maybe decapitationa

[swift gale]

I can totally see gore in this game, yeah we are helping the planet and whatever but what is better to soil the ground than with the blood of our enemies

[misty veldt]

I doubt soulframe is being made with investors in mind
De does not have a good track record outside warframe

[rigid musk]

#envoy-gathering message The picture has weird flying bacwards Cs.

[swift gale]

That being said, they did went all in on Soulframe, DE's team are going all out

I am impressed when they implemented swiming lol

Idk why, swiming was a mith for me

[misty veldt]

Ik
And look at every other game ever
The poetry
The complex story
Completely unqiue gameplay(almost)
New forms of class systems
Nothing screams generic investor slop

[swift gale]

I just hope DE will better the animations for melees in the future, they have been making amazing job so far but honestly its still can feel the jank while swinging the greatsword

even with the new death animations

[misty veldt]

Eh
Its still bare bones
I see enemies spawning underwater
And its faster just spam jumping in the water

[misty veldt]

Animations are fine imo
Paragon is my favorite weapon

[balmy thorn]

what is the most the new weapon can have tempers wise?

[pearl beacon]

8 so far (at legendary craftwork)

there are 9 tempers, but haven't yet seen an Orst with more than 8

[balmy thorn]

i have only seen 3 so far is it rare?

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[pearl beacon]

yeah it's tough to get sovereign or above

[frosty ore]

avakat has the 9 tempered weapon.

no you may not have it

[misty veldt]

Lil shit never had pearls when i needed them
I found him annoying

[swift gale]

Most melee weapon animations need more polish, I just hope DE acknowledges it and not just settle for its current state, which it is acceptable for an Alpha state. I can't wait for when they do manage to smooth the animations out ^^

I trust DE hears our feedback, thats why I bought the Paragon Founder pack when it came out. I really do trust them but I am all for feedback

[frosty ore]

avakat would never do such blasphemy. avakot however...

we dont mention avakot's sins

[misty veldt]

My feedback is apparently to controversial or sum
Id wish they would confirm if they atleast consider stuff

[swift gale]

Oh I love controversial, give me one example lol

[misty veldt]

Pinged u on my 2

Most controversial i think

[maiden coral]

lol

[maiden coral]

dang mora givin grace ham

[candid pawn]

unarmed pact when?

[misty veldt]

Bromius rework for that would be peak

[swift gale]

Heh, I mostly agree honestly. I am still not entirely sold on how the Virtues should interact with our builds and skills

[maiden coral]

a rework for tethren wylde would be peak xd

[misty veldt]

They shouldnt be as niche and specific as grace thats for sure

[swift gale]

I am not a fan on how putting points on spirit/grace/courage buffs only one of your skills

[balmy thorn]

did people figure out if it is level based?

[swift gale]

I've been running Cogah and haven't gotten any above military

[pearl beacon]

not too sure yet, a lot of speculation that it is but I don't think there's been a strong correlation to confirm either way

[rigid musk]

They will. They've said in the past that they really want to work on getting stuff like systems locked in first, then worry about things like polishing animations.

[swift gale]

Thank god ^^

[rigid musk]

Never, cause it's a bad idea.

[misty veldt]

The issue is virtues as a whole
They should lowkey adopt elden rings/darksouls perk system

[candid pawn]

I honestly dont know if ANYTHING is tied to enemy level. i assume experience gained, but I'm not sure of anything else

[swift gale]

Btw, I only farmed a few "rotations" while in Cogah, none of these were above military

[rigid musk]

Drop chances for some stuff.

[brisk obsidian]

Whats the cheapest computer I can make/ get to play? Im stacking up preparations but don’t actually have the ability to play 😅

[humble forum]

man i wish i could put long swords on my back like greatswords

[rigid musk]

#1438224662344761345

[hushed rampart]

John Erstroot

[humble forum]

??

[hushed rampart]

is well restroot

[tacit coral]

Can't wait for this to hit consoles

[rigid musk]

Put your suggestion there. It's the spot to make sure DE looks at it.

[twilit marten]

Well that sounds like it's just the bestroot!

[rigid musk]

It's a pokemon! Throw it into the woodchipper!

[hushed rampart]

bro I was sick and just recovered leave me alone 😭

[rigid musk]

Well, you'll have to. That's probably like 3-4 years away.

[tacit coral]

Yeah I'm well aware it's probably years away

[somber portal]

What's the talisman for Mora faction?

Dumb question

Let me rephrase, how do I get the item to craft it

[clever gust]

It's purchasable for rep from the three factions, I think? IIRC it's 5k rep from rank... 3?

[somber portal]

Nooooooooo

[pearl beacon]

Do you mean sacred shimmer? If so then yeah 5k at rank 3

[somber portal]

TwT

I need 2 of them then 😭 😭 😭

[clever gust]

16k rep per day, plus selling your tokens - you'll get there in no time.

[spiral crag]

the grind is better now with the tokens

[rigid musk]

Plus another 3 for the cogah talismans.

[pearl beacon]

If it's any consolation, it used to cost 7.5K until P14 hotfix 5!

[somber portal]

noooooooo

I'd rather pay 25-50 arcs each

[clever gust]

You have plenty of time, (probably) until you need to worry about the Cogah talismans.

I have little reason to interact with the factions any more, unfortunately.

[somber portal]

Ive been doing basically everything els2

Else*

But now orlick wants me to gain entry

[clever gust]

Yeah, they'll do that. It's not too bad getting to rank 3. I think it's 5k for the first two rankups?

[somber portal]

So at least 35k standing

[winter steeple]

maxed out my standing, now i just need to level every 27 weapons...

yayyyyy

[royal narwhal]

anyone know if there is some version of this that doesnt require relogging? (so it could possibly double as a xp+mace farm in cogah)

[somber portal]

Arena time for you

[winter steeple]

i cant find the damn thing

[somber portal]

Ive gotten 5 maces just from running around doing Sparrow tales

Relogged maybe once cause inwas doing a mirifuir share

[winter steeple]

Now. throw your sword away

[rigid musk]

Oh and the 3 more powerful faction talismans.

[clever gust]

Eventually, sure - but you don't need it all at once. Do a few sparrow's tales here and there, trade your tokens in when you're near the cap. Don't do a me and farm it all as quickly as possible.

[dapper gorge]

It came back

[somber portal]

So at least 50k 😭

[clever gust]

No, the 35k includes those already.

[somber portal]

Wait so its 3 cogah, 2 base guild talis, then 3 upgrade guild talis. Adding to 40k, then 10k for 2 levels for one guild

[clever gust]

10k for rank 3 in a faction, 10k for the other two faction amulets, 15k for the cogah amulets.

[somber portal]

Oh I only need r3 in 1 faction?

[clever gust]

I don't think the upgraded guild talismans need the rep item...

[winter steeple]

i dont use talismans, they're just noob cheese tech

[clever gust]

You can get the other three faction talisman 'blueprints' from random drops.

[winter steeple]

i also dont use weapons or arcanics

[somber portal]

Do you use pacts?

[winter steeple]

psh, of course not

[somber portal]

Its them

[clever gust]

Kick and punch only. Wait, no, no kicks.

[winter steeple]

might as well just use creative mode

[somber portal]

The Mr. John Soul

[winter steeple]

bruh, kicks are literally op, anyone who kicks is taking the challenge out of the game

[clever gust]

They are stronk, but slow.

[somber portal]

Wait this quest is so confusing

Not cause its a puzzle, just cause idk what the hell just happened

I needed to gain access to the 3 player factions, but already had Alca's Children done. Ive been to the other faction hideouts, but the checks weren't there in the journal

I went to kith of kings, then all 3 marks were checked off

[twilit marten]

Sounds like a small glitch that resolved when you visited the Kith

[somber portal]

I thought i needed the talisman for all 3

[twilit marten]

It's supposed to detect that you've already got Enclave access, but didn't, but when it checked again as you paid a visit it did detect your existing access

You need a talisman to properly interact or join a faction, but can enter their enclave once you resolve the tiny little quest each has

[winter steeple]

i think instead of default weapons have tempers, just keep them limited to a handful of high tier weapons, maybe only one or two per grip type

[clever gust]

You only need the talismans to swap to earning rep with the other two factions - so you can get their pacts.

[twilit marten]

Kith is just fighting a guy in front, Alca's Children is a riddle, etc.

I say 'quest' but it's not the sort of thing that goes in your journal

[somber portal]

The Silent Rose is literally giving a lady in a cave some alcohol

[clever gust]

Yep.

[somber portal]

I need a Compass on the world map

I just spent an hour on the east coast looking for Salzbrim cause I thought I was on the west coast

[ripe grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fareastcoast-howhigh-gif-10840209

[desert zinc]

https://giphy.com/gifs/television-arena-political-hzrvwvnbgIV6E

[winter steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-big-lebowski-dude-the-dude-coens-gif-514445820688923157

[somber portal]

The Orst-III or whatever its called is a fun weapon

[desert zinc]

if i wasnt finding them in the grass like legit easter eggs

[hard dove]

hey, do we have information about mace drops on cogah having more chance of being better maces?

[desert zinc]

i have not personally tried it yet

but i will let you know if/when i do

[hot berry]

https://tenor.com/view/soulframe-envoy-fear-me-aura-aura-farming-gif-635697465647566050

[somber portal]

How do you even start Cogah. Ive only been able to piggyback on other people's

[desert zinc]

you need to brew a potion

[clever gust]

You get a recipe to craft it from a quest later

[desert zinc]

with the lovely miss vermina ❤️

[somber portal]

Let me guess, I gotta buy potions from my faction to be able to craft

[clever gust]

No.

[desert zinc]

its a mission

[somber portal]

Then how do I get more than just cloudquell

[daring yoke]

Need to get to rank 2 with verminia

[desert zinc]

it takes a while honestly

[somber portal]

But how do I rank up when I only have 1 potion to craft

Crafting more didnt give me xp

[pearl beacon]

Yes, or palettes

both contribute to her bond

[thorn brook]

Where have you gotten them to drop from? And was it in Cogah? Think my RMG left with this update

[somber portal]

Oh 8s the max?

Damn, I only have a 6

[hard dove]

I only have 4...

[desert zinc]

https://giphy.com/gifs/puma-basketball-W2RM0g9IC8QeK6B4Rw

fam's and mine rng

[pearl beacon]

I haven't played yet there's too much work to do on the wiki 😭 I have just been watching other envoys through the window hahaha -the 8 came from here https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1503978420617613312

[somber portal]

Oh you work on the Wiki?

[thorn brook]

Oh rough lol

[desert zinc]

@somber portal if youd like help you can add me and id be more than happy to help you farm and unlock stuff

[pearl beacon]

I do yeah! Hope it's helping 💚 and if anything's ever missing feel free to kick me and I'll get to work ;P

[somber portal]

Amazing work you and your team does, love it ❤️

[somber portal]

Im down to friend you just so I have people to play with

[pearl beacon]

Tysm, glad we can help envoy!

[somber portal]

Midrath is big, but feels kinda lonely without others

Funny to see that we use the same kind of descriptors as warframe

[somber bear]

I'm hoping DE goes tech wizardry mode on P15 and they put some envoy ghosts not just around the world trees but everywhere :)

[somber portal]

I hope we get a cool pact

I just hope 15 isnt also released in june

[pearl beacon]

Hmm @somber bear

We need to add the new sale price for every piece of armour to the wiki

idk if that got mentioned at any point already hahah

[somber portal]

If p15 releases in June that puts me to deal with Soulframe, Warframe, Path of Exile 2, and Dead as Disco

[somber bear]

I think we ask Cam for that tbh when he's free, because it'll take ages 😅

[pearl beacon]

Yee biggg task lol

[pearl beacon]

Haha I think it will be a packed month, it's looking like june because they said before tennocon 👀

[somber portal]

Then i guess I need Earth to update and add a few more hours to each day

[pearl beacon]

Now there's a patch I would pay for

[somber portal]

I appreciate these 23 hour long buffs from Bromius

[eager vapor]

anyone experienced the same with An Invitation where there's an objective "Talk to Avakot" but when I go inside the Alca's Children Enclave, Avakot is not there??? my bird's just flying over the place he's supposed to be (I watched yt guides)

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day.

[winter steeple]

indeed

[dapper gorge]

I wonder what % of animals I'm able to sing to

10%?

[winter steeple]

you can sing to any animal, basically

[cinder adder]

Virtue Liths were a terrible idea

[raven marsh]

why

[dapper gorge]

Eh, 90% autocollect without me singing

Just ran into a streak of like 7 in a row which made me ponder

[winter steeple]

well, technically you arent singing, youre playing a fipple flute

guys this game is so pretty

[wanton cloak]

finally hit 2 million!

[somber bear]

they need to add dracs betting on regatta

[wanton cloak]

oh id be broke. i suck at regatta

[raven marsh]

soulframe index

[wanton cloak]

my goal is 10 million before release

[somber bear]

Good news, he didn't die

[wanton cloak]

who did

[raven marsh]

and avacot does a dirty move and removes envoys piece

its multi person speed regatta

[wanton cloak]

just a brawling arena wher ewe just beat the heck out of eachother for draks lol

[somber bear]

Claptrap's OG VA

[wanton cloak]

oh i havnt played BL since 2 so i remember none of that stuff unfortunately

[raven marsh]

avacot whackacabage

[dim wave]

Soulframe PVP probably won't happen but it would be funny

probably just too much work to make a functional balanced pvp

[wanton cloak]

Soulframe ||Fight club|| XD

[raven marsh]

imagine cabbage index where we fight diferent avacots and rotted ones

[wanton cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/window-pig-face-squishy-glass-gif-9577322

[muted owl]

Today’s IRL Soulframe (.the good and the bad)

[oblique pawn]

Cool snake and dead frog?

[wanton cloak]

thats a beautiful snek

[muted owl]

And lizard. There was a fish, but that was on the Ranger phone and I forgot to grab it

[oblique pawn]

They look almost...mendicant.

Guess that means the ichors set in XD

[somber portal]

What's a good activity to do that kills 30 minutes

[muted owl]

I also have video of the geese and goslings but... a lil too identifiable stuff in there

[oblique pawn]

Siege of Kearnhold or Mirifuir

[hushed rampart]

contemplating playing soulframe when I get home or practice playing my new keyboard

[sharp beacon]

do both at once

link your keyboard to soulframe and play it that way

[raven marsh]

siege on turret jotar

did you remember to download soulframe to your fridge so you can play with the keyboard

[dim wave]

What is the highest level of craftwork people found?

i got at most a noble

[nova spade]

So they killed Spirit Duelo?

[sharp beacon]

legendary

[sharp beacon]

not really it only got nerfed on bosses but its still very strong

[raven marsh]

did they

[dim wave]

do the craftwork tiers tie in to enemy level?

[sharp beacon]

no

[nova spade]

They significantly nerfed it against bosses, where that build actually shines

[mossy valley]

since you only need to level the orst once and all orsts will be leveled, do the orsts share joineries? or are they separate

[raven marsh]

in what way

[hushed rampart]

gonna beat the organ while I play the organ

[dim wave]

for now reforging does nothing

[raven marsh]

dont the buff just improve your best stat

[sharp beacon]

i mean your still gonna trivialize the boss even without the slow your getting the arcanics boost and still have duo

[humble forum]

if you need a hand let me know i can log in

[sharp beacon]

it is still very strong regardless of the nerf

[nova spade]

A Spirit Duelo used to greatly slow bosses, but it barely does now

[hushed rampart]

then again my midi keyboard is a 61 key and it's hard to use that with a mouse and keyboard

[humble forum]

also @winter steeple how does yours look like this i dont have those other bars

[dim wave]

I have a theory that they literally did not code this weapon to function with reforges because they are going to do the second half of joinery rework and coding it to work with the current one is a waste of time

[raven marsh]

never noticed a slow

[oblique pawn]

Those are rune charges

[humble forum]

huh ive only got 1 charge do i need to upgrade it for more?

[oblique pawn]

There is one, it just is very reduced on Agari and bosses

[oblique pawn]

Yep!

Each level of a rune adds 1 charge

[humble forum]

but it costs so much 😭

[sharp beacon]

yup

[raven marsh]

ive noticed that you dont always get a charge anymore

[humble forum]

ive noticed you get a charge on smite

[foggy fern]

where at?

[raven marsh]

sometimes when i smite i dont get a charge or they made it so that the enemy have to be alive to get one again

[steep fulcrum]

Entrance to Undercity. Has two square stone pressure pads with tree motifs, they glow in Spectral. Guessing it's a multiplayer 'switch'?

[winter steeple]

is it possible to gift someone a founder's pack?

[winter steeple]

ah, so id have to pay them lol

[raven marsh]

that is the point of founders yes

[winter steeple]

no, i mean pay the person the money to get the founders pack themselves

[raven marsh]

thats a new one a force field in dungeon

[young raven]

Hi, thanks so much! ❤️

[zealous horizon]

2 plus 3 equal 5. 5 equal shiny

where shiny

[humble forum]

what does reforging do anyway i thought it reset the level but it didnt

[zealous horizon]

attunement

more stats per virture point

[humble forum]

also think its funny how the normal tethren matches the tethren suit meanwhile the wild version doesnt

[oblique pawn]

They removed that

[humble forum]

thats a shame i wanted to make ivor super duper buff but i guess i can just keep attuning it?

[zealous horizon]

na one joinery at a time

[oblique pawn]

What do you mean keep attuning it?

[zealous horizon]

reforaging an already foraged just deletes the joinery

[humble forum]

reforging or whatever its called

[wanton cloak]

wait til you find a landmine XD

[nova spade]

Why this staff needs a Thrice Joinery to cap ou despite having 3 scaling already?

[oblique pawn]

Joineries replace each other, you can only have 1 joinery at a time. Also, attunement just makes it easier to reach the scaling cap, you still are limited to the same scaling damage bonus cap

[nova spade]

I never put one in this, it natively has 2

[oblique pawn]

It doesn't. Spirit has a UI bug where the pips turn gold at 6, but functionally it still caps at 5

[zealous horizon]

both stats are reforaged already. go from 3 blue 2 red. to 2 blue 3 red because removing previous joinery

[oblique pawn]

This was a reply to a different post

[humble forum]

im an o palantine build

so green and red

[nova spade]

Oh so I only need a Twice Joinery to cap out, its just a UI bug?

[oblique pawn]

Yep

[zealous horizon]

wait are green just not turning shiny at 5

the day i can make paragon 3 shiny is the day im happy

[raven marsh]

aparently this are is water

[plush rose]

Maybe the other gate of the castle and then the wall entrance towards organ

[desert wave]

I had that same issue with courage

[zealous horizon]

[desert wave]

Yeah that's what they drop the ode in on now

Them black triangles ;>

Like they dropped 6 of them all around me once

but only 1 enemy each came out

[zealous horizon]

looked cooler when they just thor'd in

[sturdy sparrow]

What is the bar under skill tab ? (new update ?)

[desert wave]

Nah only Nimrod did that

[zealous horizon]

this game feels more and more sci fi as time goes on xD

[zealous horizon]

xp

[desert wave]

No fantasy can escape sci-fi sadly

[zealous horizon]

soulframe is sci fi
warframe is fantasy

[desert wave]

https://tenor.com/view/aether-aether-gun-snezhnaya-snezhnaya-teaser-aether-rifle-gif-10929340864674207159

Every game I know that was fantasy became sci-fi

Never seen vice versa honestly

[steep fulcrum]

is the Underdakr "find a relic" broken? I vind Ghosty McIgnisMora and steal his bird... well i do the motion, my sword never goes a-fwoosh, and he just stands there. I've relogged twice. this is where my fae-rat tells me to go.

[brittle cobalt]

Have you tried play a different game

Other than a gacha

[desert wave]

You mean like Final Fantasy? ;>

[brittle cobalt]

That works

[desert wave]

Also became Sci-Fi

[misty veldt]

No no
You see
The orbital drop pod is "magic" so it cant be sci fi
Everyone has advanced tech from space age sure but its "magic"
Cause they fight with sword and lightning trust

[zealous horizon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/odst-helmet-1--k01KRJ4EEP3TH8E2G7RWEZDFBX9

[brittle cobalt]

In narrative sense or style sense

[desert wave]

Both

[brittle cobalt]

FF16 is still medieval fantasy

[desert wave]

Oh really? ;o

[brittle cobalt]

Do you even

[mossy valley]

just because some goobers industrialised aint mean it stopped being magic

[desert wave]

I think FF16 was like steampunkish

[desert wave]

Well they had this flying around....

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-final-fantasy-diamond-weapon-mecha-mech-gif-27435969

Like whatever this is

[brittle cobalt]

FF12 is somewhat steampunk-ish but maybe FF is bad analogy as it takes everything into it and create a soup

[mossy valley]

Just because its gundam shaped aint mean its not magic

[flat rock]

It’s peak performance is what it is

[desert wave]

We're really pushing the boundaries of what's fantasy lol

[mossy valley]

its fantastic

[zealous horizon]

free delivery

[desert wave]

Well I suppose we'd eventually go to space in Soulframe

[brittle cobalt]

My perspective of Sci Fi is like three body problem/star trek

[mossy valley]

yea to beat up ode goobers

[brittle cobalt]

Real hardcore maths and science theory and concepts

[desert wave]

The original Chinese version or the Netflix version? . -.

[brittle cobalt]

The book, the Netflix can take a hike

[brittle cobalt]

Like treasure planet, that would be cool

[flat rock]

Final Fantasy also has scientific ancient civilization in the very first game.

[zealous horizon]

wait a minute when your swimming your bird comes and sits on you

[desert wave]

I'd say the first part of Three Body Problem was amazing but the 2nd part was weird af =/

[brittle cobalt]

I'm mean DE is inspired by ghibli movies, some naussica doesn't seem like bad tone change

[desert wave]

and then it totally changed genres in the final part

[misty veldt]

They have drop pods
Guns
A focus on electricity
Weather towers
Pollution
And industry
Its just advanced tech
All they did is skip guns for troops

[zealous horizon]

smooth swimming well trying to show off bird

[desert wave]

AI is magic

[raven marsh]

do you can get just 1

[desert wave]

Oh yeah I forgot I could swim now

[brittle cobalt]

More like cursed, black, evil, forbidden magic

[misty veldt]

I cant call ai the medical term i wish

[desert wave]

It's the most powerful thing surpassing the internet . -.

Also i think I am gonna try to swim to this boat here

[brittle cobalt]

That consume more water than a country, sure

[misty veldt]

All to generate trump in a bikini

[mossy valley]

yea but the drop pods are just sheets of metal with a wack magic energy line at the top

its just industrialised magic

theres no visible control system no user interface inside

[misty veldt]

Advanced energy/gravitic manipulation
Radiation, steam, even fire would be magic to those without knowledge

[raven marsh]

thats a good 3 pointer

[misty veldt]

Sci fi

[night girder]

damn that's a good one

[raven marsh]

i would say soulframe is sience fantasy

[desert wave]

This map is lying it's butt off!

There is no boat here! ;<

[mossy valley]

ok and we're completely without knowledge with how the ode manage to do all their magic shit so

[misty veldt]

I thought its heavy was kinda mid
The spin you do kinda slows it down to much

[heady plinth]

why does the spin not hit twice

[mossy valley]

like the definition youve sent twice specifically says "doing special things" right there

[misty veldt]

"Appearing"

[heady plinth]

treefell just doesnt wanna drop for me 😔

[misty veldt]

They clearly have the means to manipulate weather which modern humanity does already
They can change the negative charges of their weapons to imbue them with lightning

[mossy valley]

uhuh, but nothing of that sentence precludes it being done with fantastical magic

take the odiac for example

[heady plinth]

wait yall arguing whether or not the ode use magic or not?

[misty veldt]

Magic is lack of understanding

Its not a energy/item or force

[mossy valley]

I think homie is trying to do the "magic is just insufficiently explained science" approach to justify calling soulframe scifi

[misty veldt]

Thats what magic is

[mossy valley]

Nailed it

[heady plinth]

it is fantasy scifi bro

there's magic, and there's science based contraptions like the organ and the collector and whatnot.

[raven marsh]

same thing

[misty veldt]

Even if u ignore my previous point
They added damn drop pods

Sci fi

[mossy valley]

I'd argue against the sci-fi label because you dont need the sci-fi aspect to include complex components

[misty veldt]

Including them makes it sci fi

[mossy valley]

Like if you're familiar with the Stormlight Archive, the fabrials are complex constructs, but its an entirely fantasy series (at least for era 1)

[heady plinth]

i mean bro. your character literally uses a prosthetic arm to channel into this magic energy.

[misty veldt]

That arm is grown

[heady plinth]

the enemies literally have massive mechanical contraptions set up around the place

[misty veldt]

Most of it looks like steam and electricital machinery

You can hear the pistons moving in the weather towers

From steam

The collectors use some form of electricity to manipulate gravity

I doubt the lightning its shooting at the ground is on purpose as it would be hitting its own troops

[mossy valley]

which is not a feature exclusive to science fiction stories

Lets take Avatar (not the blue skins)

Is it science fiction for the Fire Nation to have developed airships and tanks?

or are we not still a fantasy story

[misty veldt]

Counter argument

[mossy valley]

Im absolutely defeated

[misty veldt]

I win

[heady plinth]

yo garren rood is too cracked

healheart lets me just spam my rune

legit every time i take dmg, i hit an enemy once and i get back a full rune charge

[misty veldt]

Im dreading finishing leveling him bc then all i have left is sirin
I do not wana touch sirin

I gotta do it twice actually

Wyld sirin

[heady plinth]

sirin is fun just dont use the 3 ability

only use it as a get out of jail card

[misty veldt]

Ima be real with you man
When
"Cast a cloud of magick dust leaving enemies blinded"
Is a ability description
Im put to sleep

[heady plinth]

nah its cool

u press 1 then u get to backstab a whole crowd

[ionic carbon]

pocket sand pt 2

[misty veldt]

If i want a stealth game i play assassins creed or dishonored
Soulframes stealth is slow
Clunky
Doesnt work
The game isnt made for it and all concepts of it need removed or reworked
Its why i think grace is worthless

Well part of why

[ionic carbon]

Why remove it if its completely optional?

[misty veldt]

Because of its effects on how grace works

And how a virtue scales effects everything directly or indirectly

[winter oyster]

if u dont want to play soulframe stealth dont use the stealth pact?

[misty veldt]

Im farming mastery

[heady plinth]

thats why im saying

[ionic carbon]

if farming mastery then master stealth

[heady plinth]

just spam the 1 ability on sirin

[winter oyster]

u could just put a clone down and drop a torrent on it

[misty veldt]

Nah
Ima just ignore the pact
Wait till i see a endless and farm those
When its done swap back to ode tempest and level weapons

Repeat until sirin is max

[heady plinth]

ok 👍

[ionic carbon]

valid tbh

[indigo plinth]

BRUH

The new kill animation for enemies are so funny, XD I shoot a gun to a random red Soldier and he went flying to the stratosphere XD

[misty veldt]

ragdolls glitches are features not bugs

[indigo plinth]

I didnt say it was a bug

[ionic carbon]

It was specifically mentioned that they fall with grace now

and i believe them

[indigo plinth]

That is true XD

[misty veldt]

Anytime anything breaks the sound barrier going straight up its a feature

[misty veldt]

The first needed grace change

[summer axle]

god farming for gath absolutely sucks

[random prism]

Late, but others are right yeah, this is just a high fantasy taken to its logical extreme.

Everything is powered by or uses magic in some form, including everything the Ode do.

Voltaics is literally a form of magick, drawing power from the stars.

It's the trope of magic replacing technology taken to its extreme, including space travel.

Everything the Ode do is very electrically-themed cus that's just Voltaics.

That and some theme of sound, given the spellsong, which is just actual magic, and the organ using sound to operate its weapon.

[zealous horizon]

[random prism]

Also yeah the arm is not prosthetic, idk where anyone got that from.

Your arm is flesh, fey flesh to be precise, for we are part fey.

We can see this shade of blue and ceramic-like texture in Alora's art.

It's just fey stuff.

[summer axle]

aaaaaarrgghhhh

[random prism]

The Ode do use metal limb replacements, but they even look like a very basic thing that follows no scientific logic. Just metal shaped into a limb and attached somehow, probably controlled or operated in some way through voltaics.

Given that pretty much every ode we fight knows some.

[dim wave]

anyone knows that one guarantee spawn location for the mace guy?

[summer axle]

how the actual crap have I not had 2 gath frags yet

like, WHAT

[random prism]

I do find this setting super damn interesting. You usually don't see high fantasy taken this seriously or this far. Settings tend to stop way before this specifically to avoid these complications, but DE is like 'nah that sounds weak' and then made wizards, in space.

[misty veldt]

You would freak out at 40k

[random prism]

40k is very sci-fi tho.

It doesn't justify everything through high fantasy like SF seems to be doing.

Where magic is just what has completely replaced what would normally be technological progress.

[misty veldt]

Oh no 40k still does that
Everything vashtorr related for example

Or old ones

I bet steve has a space marine army
Saw a drop pod and was like
Ima add that

[random prism]

I suppose 40k is just a blender of many different factions and themes so it makes sense one or a few went the pure high fantasy route.

I've just never delved deeply into it.

[misty veldt]

Eldar everything

[misty veldt]

Ive been into the lore for years now

[indigo plinth]

I just realized that the 'new' Virtue system is basically the old system but with consumable resources -_-

[random prism]

Oh yeah it's functionally identical. They added two big things.

A resource gate, and also massive inconvenience.

Cus apparently it's agony to get the slider on a certain point sometimes.

It fusses and occasionally demands pixel-perfect placement.

[misty veldt]

Its getting changed dw
They havent said it but they would be dumb not too

[random prism]

Good luck if you do not have perfectly still hands.

[indigo plinth]

I have dexterous fingers 😄

I am good at finger--- uh....

[random prism]

My natural mouse postion next to my laptop is slightly canted.

My mouse leans to the left instead of pointing absolutely straight.

Even this small detail makes it a lil frustrating.

[split hill]

is the consumables needed to change virtues removed yet?

[random prism]

Nope.

[misty veldt]

Imo
Dropping virtues all together
And coping dark souls stats
Is the better move
They have tried what 3 or 4 iterations of virtues
None of which without a glaring issue that cant be fully fixed without a system change

[random prism]

I mean both this system and prisms didn't really have a glaring issue.

[misty veldt]

Grace

[random prism]

Prisms were a lil limiting but more could've been added, and they were simple and could be hotswapped easily.

[random prism]

Well yeah but that's just the bonus needing to be reigned back lol. Not glaring, just some number balancing.

[split hill]

https://imgur.com/a/verminia-drab-cd4GzuP

[random prism]

And very fixable, it's just at the fine tuning stage.

[split hill]

yeah it could use a buff for sure.

[misty veldt]

I guess ur right
But still grace just need reworked all together

[split hill]

could be increased ranged damage (including thrown).

[random prism]

The bonuses need to be generic enough that they don't start defining classes.

Ranged would start doing that, substantially more than crit damage does.

Cus anyone can make use of finishers quite often.

[misty veldt]

No cause what grace does its very strong at
Just what it does isnt useful most the time
The 1 exception is evaporating bosses(not good for the game)
It needs something simple and applicable to everything like spirit and courage
Ive suggested move speed or attack speed
But other things can work i imagine

[split hill]

buff it? yeah

[random prism]

Of those two things, I'd say attack speed is more acceptable.

I hate the idea of anything having a utility meta.

[misty veldt]

Sure lets make it 1 shot bosses harder ig

[random prism]

And you know farming builds would run speeeeeeed.

If anything affected movement.

[misty veldt]

No
Mounts

[split hill]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[iron socket]

Were can I farm the highest level craft work for Orst III? or is the craft work random?

[misty veldt]

Idk if this is ur reaction or not

[misty veldt]

Random

Have fun

[misty veldt]

Movespeed wouldnt be that bad cause again mounts

If that meta existed it would only be until mounts are added

[iron socket]

WHat is the highest level craft work? The wiki doesn't say