envoy-gathering

[sturdy geyser]

God knows why they decided to make the UI like that

[dapper gorge]

Just got nuked from orbit

[white otter]

just parry it smh

[white otter]

Sarah did mention that on the envoy hour that they're looking into it if it's intentional or not

[sturdy geyser]

Do you think it is

[dapper gorge]

Parry the drop pod landing on top of me, got it

[white otter]

time amount included
i'd assume it would be unintentional 👀

[dapper gorge]

Hope they don't drop in cogah, having it instakill you with no warning would be annoying

[fast crescent]

I’m really loving the new encounters! I think that’s my favourite part so far this update the drop pods are amazing, I think next they could even have ode’n ships drop enemies off at locations too!

[white otter]

it would be funny on the first time

[pearl beacon]

Could be our chance to hop aboard, and stow away to someplace higher...

[fast crescent]

Or hijack it and relive our Halo 3 glory days lol jk

[tender plinth]

gotta say the conga lines of enemies that Ive encountered today have been quite funny

[solid fable]

i like the empty drop pods
it's like they forgot to hop in the pod but by the time they realised, it was already on its way

[tender plinth]

like just 10 enemies walking in line

[maiden coral]

https://tenor.com/view/square-witch-watch-witch-watch-think-gif-10511533061234064240

[sturdy geyser]

Or they're just playing mind games with us

To remind us that they're watching

[fast crescent]

An Ode’n Steve walked past the large “Release Drop Pod” button, tripped and accidentally hit it, that’s my head canon

[red axle]

Ode helldivers

[solid fable]

if it were me, that's how i would spin it...
i would say, "haha, fooled you, i was just pretending to be stupid"

[ripe grotto]

Let's spread some Ode'mocracy

[red axle]

how do i join the ode

[solid fable]

the plot twist is that ||you already did at some point||

or maybe not, i'm terrible with lore

[ripe grotto]

I'm trying to figure that too. So far I'm wearing the Wazzard's Wish to show my support... As it has all the tells of a Faction Talisman 🤔

[white otter]

The True Plot Twist: ||Cheese||

[ripe grotto]

The Plot Twist you aren't prepared for:

[white otter]

gon yeet that stache off of him so hard his head flies into the orbit

[ripe grotto]

Alternative plan, we send Sarah to play him a lullaby

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153115423596879932/1504073277750902965/sarah_small.gif

That was legit my speakers last night, when she decided to play a Solo during Dev Stream 😂

[tender plinth]

Orbass

[ripe grotto]

My other Theory is that Bayor is actually Ballas... They both had a Greatsword... PARAgon, PARAcesis... 🤔

[grave light]

Thats pretty much best in slot I think

[hearty pumice]

It was so weird and randomly timed. Stream basically over, and then -PWEEEEEEEP-

[ripe grotto]

Noone on their end was ready for it either 😂

You can even hear the guy off camera "I didn't turn you down in time."

#envoy-gathering message

[red axle]

nice spirit mode is flashlight too

[young hedge]

Virtue liths, yay or nay

[pearl beacon]

nay 😔

[dapper gorge]

Eh

[tender plinth]

yay

[dapper gorge]

Between the three of us, we've covered the entire spectrum

[sweet galleon]

Whats the new journal foe?

[dapper gorge]

Avakot.

[cerulean spoke]

We know what these are just about took my head off one of these falling from the sky

[dapper gorge]

It did kill me

[ripe grotto]

I've lost Journal Knowledge 😮

[young hedge]

Being able to freely tune our virtue is a yay, but needing a consumable that has an abysmal drop chance ain't it

[sweet galleon]

If you ever try to find the correct combination of points you will quickly realize that the entire thing isn't it.

[ripe grotto]

Circade and Crypt Crawler 😮

[lone summit]

new bug i think

[dapper gorge]

Supernight

[white otter]

not a new bug infact

a wildly old one

ye olde nightfold delete

[young hedge]

Trying to find balance between two stats but one gets more points than the other

[azure bronze]

uhhh what is this

[dapper gorge]

Ugh, permalocked by a ambush trap

[azure bronze]

oh i cant send a sc

[white otter]

what is whatwhatwhat?

[white otter]

should be able to

[azure bronze]

the water in my conscious space is going crazy

now?

[golden lagoon]

old bugs are new again!

[merry knoll]

did they change the Virtue system again?

[dapper gorge]

Aye

[void fog]

will fragments be turned into weapons by the time the new system drops?

[white otter]

probably not?

considering some people would then have thousands of weapons

[tender plinth]

just for funsies Id like the orst to have a temper that would play the metal pipe sound effect every time I bonk an enemy w it

[golden lagoon]

yeah, you're right. a wipe is best.

[white otter]

but.... muh random old collectables D:

[vital crypt]

hi

[white otter]

aloo

[sharp beacon]

this new system is so fun I got voltaic and just have been doing a full stagger build on tempest

[robust temple]

But what about my Preludes Honor™

[golden lagoon]

... yes

[desert wave]

My boi died in COGAH

[robust temple]

BUT MY ELDORE

[desert wave]

he is dead dead ;<

[white otter]

BUT MY TRIBALT
that i never got a chance to even use 😭

[sharp beacon]

I need to put eldore on the paragon

[robust temple]

MY SEDNA NAV SEGMENTS

[sturdy geyser]

I didn't get increased damage and stagger on heavy attacks or voltaic damage and stagger which are exactly what I need

[true shard]

Bro hit Minecraft bedrock

[desert wave]

Oooh noooo

[sharp beacon]

ill be honest I couldnt care less if they took the preludes honor from me that thing is worthless

[grave light]

Oh shoot, I thought I saw Galv on there.

[untold tiger]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[azure bronze]

KEKW

[sturdy geyser]

I only really want 3 stats, heavy attack speed, heavy attack damage and voltaic damage

[robust temple]

As long as they don't remove Spam content. I'm Hawaiian, its part of my culture.

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-intensifies-yum-gif-13948300

[ripe grotto]

My loot is running away!

[red axle]

oh yeah happend to me too

new mechanic maybe

[robust temple]

Loot rolled for evade, critical success

[sharp beacon]

is military the lowest grade

[robust temple]

Not 100% sure I should admit this, but... I JUST realized the DE logo is a stylized D and E

[red axle]

sell bugged

[white otter]

DE bot where at

[untold tiger]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[young sun]

automod was asleep

[white otter]

good bot

[dapper gorge]

much good bot

[tender plinth]

yes very good bot

[lone summit]

anyone know where this is?

[tender plinth]

u can track it from the book

[lone summit]

i cant

[tender plinth]

oh

weird

[lone summit]

i put a flower in the green and blue graves and some enemies spawned and thats it

[frosty ore]

congrats

you disrespected the dead and now you're gonna have to fight the undying bone lords

[lone summit]

what was i supposed to do

[frosty ore]

place flower on the blue grave and not the green one

smh

bro done cursed midrath

[lone summit]

i did put one on the blue grave

i thought i was supposed to put a flower on all of them

thats why the quest wanted me to get 3

[frosty ore]

three for one

[lone summit]

oh

[heavy chasm]

Did I miss something, who is Dale Steer?

[lone summit]

can i redo the quest?

[white otter]

capitalism camel

[frosty ore]

either the moose that saved you from the coast or zenith.

[heavy chasm]

Zenith is capitalism camel but I saw Dale Steer just chillin around the map yesterday

[frosty ore]

someone let him out of containment

[heavy chasm]

Im coming out of my cage

[frosty ore]

out of the cage and into a bigger cage.

(was gonna make a different joke but....not here)

[heavy chasm]

Me when I clock in for work

[knotty dove]

in spanish, is all messed up xD

[frosty ore]

the endless cycle of "societal choice"

[knotty dove]

STAGGER DAMAGE : stagger damage

[frosty ore]

I think it boosts stagger damage

[knotty dove]

i dont know, cant be sure

[azure bronze]

my odiac decided to go back to rank 0???

[knotty dove]

yeah, git gud

is for u to enjoy the new exp buffs

[frosty ore]

reminder: if the health bar can move then it can eventually die.

no excuses.

[tender plinth]

is 159 stagger good for a weapon

[azure bronze]

i already know about those, but i was in the middle of leveling the stupid weapon when it decided to go back to 0

[knotty dove]

dang

[azure bronze]

uhhh

it looks like the Orst-III is a quaranteed drop for some reason

[dapper gorge]

Guaranteed in what way?

[azure bronze]

every single enemy that has the weapon drops it every time

[pearl beacon]

That is the intent of the new system yeah!

[dapper gorge]

I mean, not every time for minor enemies it seems

[neat otter]

it's a high chance but it's not 100% for (at least) the dungeon ones

[lone summit]

what are the best tempers for the new mace?

[azure bronze]

and i thought it doesn't do that

[dapper gorge]

I think it's dropped every time for the majors for me so far

[neat otter]

what should I do if in-game chat only shows a loading spinner?

[pearl beacon]

I kinda like it, how in BGS games like Skyrim you'll kill a bandit carrying a specific sword and he'll drop that sword, we just need a way to sort through the sheer number of them and melt them down for upgrades on our favourite version lol

[sturdy geyser]

Heavy attack focused one imo, attack speed, attack damage, voltaic damage

[azure bronze]

ohhhh

[dapper gorge]

Not even that high for me on regular mace enemies, maybe 50%?

[lone summit]

is this good?

[sturdy geyser]

5 buffs is good

You can switch ur play style around those buffs

[obsidian igloo]

What grade is that

I guess craftwork is the proper term

[obsidian igloo]

What craftwork level is that?

[dapper gorge]

bai balloon

[lone summit]

what does that mean

[carmine pagoda]

what if you jump on it?

[obsidian igloo]

On the first tab of the weapon description the craftwork level is supposed to determine how many of those Temper bonuses you get.

[dapper gorge]

I think the floaters start floating away basically when they spawn? They're typically unreachable by the time I see them/can get close

Can't even hit em with magick, maybe a bow could? Not sure

[lone summit]

noble

[obsidian igloo]

Noble. Nice.

[lone summit]

what are the tiers for it

[obsidian igloo]

I got one that was Military and only had 3 tempers on it.

[sharp beacon]

are higher craft work teirs more common on higher level enemies

[obsidian igloo]

I saw a list last night but now I don't remember where I saw it.

[lone summit]

i did a long run with some people and got alot of them

[obsidian igloo]

Damn

I only got one lol

[lone summit]

the bannerets that drop them are way more common in cogah

[obsidian igloo]

I wasnt farming though. Just wanted 1 for the MR.

[lone summit]

especially around the walls in the map

[versed raven]

ok i have 2 orst-3's

1 is military, 1 is officer

now i have to ask a simple question

does riposte damage boosting apply to the base stats?

[obsidian igloo]

Thats above my craftwork level...

[lone summit]

you mean like percentage boost or flat boost?

[versed raven]

just the base damage numbers

i ask

because i am wondering where the extra 3 (4 heavy) damage is coming from

on the officer

[lone summit]

do you have the heavy attack damage temper?

[versed raven]

nope

[lone summit]

these 2

[sharp beacon]

who is this im in a solo game

[versed raven]

i have neither on them

the only boost i have is stagger, but stagger is its own stat

[random prism]

You're near a world tree.

[lone summit]

other players show up when you're near world trees

[random prism]

Those show you phantoms of other players now.

[sharp beacon]

thats new I suppose

[lone summit]

might be because of the weapon skill tree

[random prism]

Yes, a P14.5 thing.

[sharp beacon]

I thought my game was haunted 😱

[misty haven]

got an early access code. DM me if interested.

[lone summit]

oh wait i just realised

officer is above military in tiers

1. noble
2. officer
3. military

noble has best stats

officer medium stats

[oblique pawn]

Legendary

[lone summit]

military base stats

[lone summit]

theres a legendary tier?

[obsidian igloo]

Found this list, not sure if accurate:
Stock (0 Tempers)Military (1–3 Tempers)Officer (2–4 Tempers) Sovereign, Noble, Legendary, Moonsteel

[oblique pawn]

There's also Sovereign and Legendary

[lone summit]

oh wtf

[oblique pawn]

Sovereign should be above Noble no?

[lone summit]

how many tempers do legendaries have

[oblique pawn]

Moonsteel seems to not be a rarity of Craftwork, it seems to be a rarity of a different kind

It seems like if the top left of your Orst is Silver that's Moonsteel, and it can be on any Craftwork

[random prism]

Steve called it Moonsteel but it may have been changed to Legendary and he just forgot and still referred to it as such.

But he did call out a Moonsteel rarity tier.

We just have no evidence of that tier existing.

[foggy fern]

8? I think

[oblique pawn]

There are Orst dropping with a silver Moonsteel icon in the UI

[echo nest]

is starling bow better than meastro for oscelda?

[oblique pawn]

But they seem unrelated to Craftwork

Guessing Moonsteel might be a separate thing, maybe related to transmog?

[versed raven]

ok so the tiers do in fact affect damage

[random prism]

Unrelated.

[versed raven]

i knew officer is a higher tier, but i didn't know if it directly did anything to stats

[foggy fern]

Throw speed temper Orst-3 is the best bow

[random prism]

Your pact has nothing to do with your weapons.

[plush rose]

i dont like this roll

[pliant lintel]

OH GOD THERE IS RANDOM LANDMINES

[random prism]

6-8 apparently yeah.

[foggy fern]

Less than ideal, but Sullying force is top tier

[random prism]

What craftwork rarity is this? Just to check.

Wiki lists 6 as either Sovereign or Legendary.

[obsidian igloo]

Did they say blacksmith could upgrade cradtwork?

[devout temple]

Is that a reforge?

[lone summit]

we already have warframe's riven market in soulframe

[foggy fern]

Does reforge even do anything to Orst-3 yet? I thought it was bugged

[lone summit]

and it's called orst-iii

[plush rose]

soverign

[random prism]

That checks out then, thank.

[plush rose]

why

[random prism]

It's still new so I was just double-checking the wiki's accuracy.

[plush rose]

okie

[random prism]

I'm too afraid to farm these things until DE fixes the selling softlock.

[plush rose]

wym

[eternal terrace]

imagine having parkour

[foggy fern]

Imagine bullet jumping

[maiden coral]

assassins creed soulframe

prince soulframe

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[knotty dove]

imagine having a gun

Soulframe: Duelo

i won?

[eternal terrace]

an ability that allows you to bullet jump... genius.

youre hired

[eternal terrace]

more like crimson frame

[young sun]

prince of midrath

[lone summit]

orst-iii would go crazy if trading was added to the game

new riven market

[red axle]

sir put down the gun this is wendys

[maiden coral]

https://tenor.com/view/ui-ouch-gif-25596228

[maiden coral]

lmaoo

[worthy bramble]

where do you farm maces again?

[heavy chasm]

Img having the ability to helicopter jump

[worthy bramble]

do i just spam gawth in cogah for rare ones?

[maiden coral]

the enemy that has the mace

[tender plinth]

q&a has this route recommended

[worthy bramble]

i see

[tender plinth]

#1503874620267299037 message

[lone summit]

https://tenor.com/view/231-gif-25095509

[tender plinth]

seems to work quite well for me atleast

[worthy bramble]

and for legendaries i'd need to bump the world level up, yes?

[tender plinth]

no idea

havent gotten legendary one myself yet

[knotty dove]

friendly reminder, the camel wont accept more than 4 maces when u sell, so u will be stuck with 25 maces in your inventory 🙂

follow me to learn more about spreading missinformation

[tender plinth]

there will be many more

[maiden coral]

for me it's just 2

[oblique pawn]

Why not just sell from inventory though

[tender plinth]

is bugged

[frosty ore]

nuh uh

[tender plinth]

leads to an endless please wait

[knotty dove]

because you arent a merchant, the camel is

[eternal terrace]

i love how you can throw sword and recall it makes me feel like kratos

[oblique pawn]

Done it a few times, haven't seen that. Appreciate the heads up!

[lone summit]

i think avakot lets u sell unlimited amounts

[maiden coral]

and reset the game over and over agian

i restarted my game 3x now

[knotty dove]

i dont condone those greedy bastards

[random prism]

Selling in general has a fairly common softlock.

[tender plinth]

havent seen that green capitalist bean since preludes 14 came out

[random prism]

Whether by camel or inventory, it's just the selling function.

[lone summit]

i found him like 30 mins ago with world tree

[random prism]

Should really be fixed with the new mace going straight into the inventory.

Idk why they didn't fix that beforehand.

Given that it's been a bug for a while.

[white otter]

capitalist is too nice of a word to describe him

anyways when will the wacky statues we have everywhere around the map start acting like Kodamas from princess mononoke 👀

got reminded of them after starting to listen to mononoke's soundtrack

[tender plinth]

Finally found his sneezing green bean looking ass

[white otter]

smoke it

tear it into bits

[carmine pagoda]

its possible, seems like i need to keep moving or its gonna go through me, also jumping is not a good idea

[white otter]

and then feed it to the ode dogs

[maiden coral]

i feel like darth vader

[eternal terrace]

that too

[dapper gorge]

Time for an aerial assault

[eternal terrace]

when are we having a gun parry mechanic

[maiden coral]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-lightsaber-dark-rouge-one-star-wars-gif-23794050

[maiden coral]

when the moon covers the sun into darkness

[eternal terrace]

sigh

but a simple parkour would be good

[maiden coral]

https://tenor.com/view/waaa-gif-9106407282540049296

[eternal terrace]

honestly if we being for reals

[maiden coral]

maybe on prelude 16?

[dapper gorge]

Gunblades wen?

[maiden coral]

when the stars collide to make new ones

[oblique pawn]

Wait so apparently the Moonsteel maces just have a slight visual shimmer?

Welp

[maiden coral]

i collected like 10

[fast crescent]

Did you get one?

[maiden coral]

tryin to sell em but always get stuck at the "please wait" screen

[oblique pawn]

Nah, someone else did and shared their findings

[tender plinth]

use avakot he seems to work

[tender plinth]

really

[maiden coral]

but i wanna keep the mace that has the 3 stats and if i sell it to em idk which is which

[oblique pawn]

Yeah, it seems unrelated to Craftwork, just a chance at a "shiny" roll for any craftwork

[tender plinth]

so how much do we know about the higher rarity maces and their droprates

[fast crescent]

Oh interesting, did they share what it looks like? I saw this from Reddit

[oblique pawn]

If you scroll down the comments they post a side by side of it equipped

[tender plinth]

u cant sell the one that u have equipped ( i think) and also u can make a "marker" by re attuning it with a tier 1 or 2 joinery

[fast crescent]

Oh lol I didn’t check the post again, thank you!

Here’s that image for others

Maybe because it’s a still photo, I just can’t see the effect 😅 it must be very subtle

[steady wyvern]

-# achoo!

-# psst! big legs!

[oblique pawn]

The difference is VERY slight - potentially because the mace is already silver? Could it be meant as a colour override, so we could get a gleaming silver Stultin someday?

[steady wyvern]

We are now farming Moonsteel maces like we’re farming Prime Parts (the Sinecure Mace enemies are the relics)

[fast crescent]

I do see a slight “glow” shimmer on the handle, but again it probably appears better in game rather than a photo

[tender plinth]

yes :D

[fast crescent]

Time to get the Moonsteel Legendary 8 temper Orst-III

[oblique pawn]

Just watch it drop without Galvanic Strike

[fast crescent]

That would be devastating lol

[pliant lintel]

i'm a color nerd and like... i can't tell the difference, and it's normally my job to spot small changes

wait, there seem to be like, a thing on the handle

[oblique pawn]

Wonder if it's not meant to tint the base but is a set colour that overrides some channels, and the mace is just...already almost exactly that colour on those channel

[pliant lintel]

idk, to me it is genuinly terrible as an idea, since it'S an extra layer of farm for fashion

especially since like... it's so easy to miss when all you look at is craft and tempers

[fast crescent]

Here’s a close up and a circle of what is changed on the Moonsteel one

[main siren]

question

was it documented that we now get more weaveseeds

[fast crescent]

On the right side of the handle there’s a slight shimmer vs the regular one

[main siren]

i just got 6 so they had to increase it

[random prism]

We get 1-3 per harvest still as far as I know.

[main siren]

well thats impossible

[random prism]

Check your total amount on the map.

It shows your new total, not what you just got.

[main siren]

ah

[random prism]

That is true for pretty much everything in this game.

Just how DE shows you stuff.

[pearl beacon]

Mm I remember when I got 73 seeds! 😉

[pliant lintel]

yeah... lamest shiny effect XD

[red axle]

okey buddy okey buuuuuddy

[fast crescent]

I’m almost believing that it’s either bugged OR it’s effects are not really implemented yet

[main siren]

thats dumb

[pliant lintel]

possible. tbh, i think having deployed the half rng wepaon system was a bad idea from the start. missing tuval is kinda jsut causing people to overreact and not really provide good feedback

[fast crescent]

And if this IS the intended look of a Moonsteel version, then it’s a perfect time to give feedback when you receive yours

[random prism]

I still think 6 tiers and a max of 8 tempers is a bit bloaty.

[fast crescent]

I completely agree!

[random prism]

Bloat wrapped in RNG.

Way too much for a catch-up mechanic.

To make weaker tiers comparable to higher.

[fast crescent]

It feels like we have 1/4 of a system that’s still WIP, and it’s super hard to give feedback without the rest of the parts to it

[pliant lintel]

should have been 3 tiers and 3-4 tempers max. i know they want to do stuff with tuval tho, making the grind more normal, but without her it jsut makes judging the system as a whole impossible

[fast crescent]

I do think at the end of the day, whatever system we get, extra weapons we can sell for dracs is still better than infinite fragments that can’t be sold and do nothing

[random prism]

Just... make the frags sellable.

[fast crescent]

I think they should do that to, to be clear

[random prism]

Like they will inevitably be.

[oblique pawn]

Tbh suspect we'll just have fragments stripped from our inventory

For anything that drops built

[pliant lintel]

yeah, and let's jsut say some people around these part aren't the best at skimming what's a real design choice and what's jsut the game being in alpha. so it kinda jsut makes for some extra messy situation and some barely usable feedback

[formal flame]

whats a moonsteel mace?

[pliant lintel]

like, i don't want to be mean to anyone, it's jsut... y'know, we have seen those panic waves over stuff that is bound to change

[random prism]

I do think they should've fixed the selling softlock before injecting anything into our inventory at this quantity.

Here, farm this hammer, you can sell the copies.

Have fun being softlocked every third hammer.

That bug has been around for a while.

It should have been addressed before this.

[pliant lintel]

Chlo, i know it's an annoying bug, but i think you are making a mountain out of an anthill. i legit only had that issue once

[random prism]

Then you're lucky.

Others have had it thrice in a row.

[fast crescent]

I’ve had it a bunch of times 😅 but I’ve just learned now that I need to backlog sell them over time rather than right away to avoid the bug

[random prism]

'I have not personally been pestered by this bug incessantly, therefore it is not important'.

[austere kernel]

Hi! I'm new, nice to meet everyone 🙂

[sharp beacon]

yesssss

45 grace

[tender plinth]

Ive had it every time Ive tried sell to any other than avakot and btw u cant see the weapons tempers when selling them to avakot

[random prism]

Caught between bugs and blindness, lmao.

[maiden coral]

i don't have em equip

[random prism]

I do hope the Grace crit multi gets toned down, but one of the people on stream running pure Grace specifically cus it has oodles of damage worries me about that.

[plush rose]

look at this gem pfftt

[random prism]

Cus that suggests that it is known and that they're happy about it, despite it being used to one-tap bosses.

So the Grace meta may be here to stay for a while.

[midnight perch]

100% not me just discovering this game has a discord

[tender plinth]

also could someone give me a "proper" answer on the orst RNG
where do the higher tier one drop?
been scouring alca from top to bottom and I have 1 officer quality and rest are militia

[sturdy geyser]

now this is a great combo

[random prism]

They drop from luck, as far as we know. People have tried locations and Cogah scaling to absurd levels and have noticed no difference.

[sharp beacon]

its a shame I dont use it for that I just sneak guys with sirin cus I like it

[random prism]

They're just obnoxiously rare.

[sturdy geyser]

what exactly is rare, the weapon?

[random prism]

The higher tiers.

[sturdy geyser]

oh the tier, it's all rng

[pliant lintel]

i never said it's not important, chlo, i jsut said it's a whole other thing than the system itself. the mountain out of an anthill comes from that, you are making the one bug you can likely jsut avoid by not bulk selling into a defining issue of a whole system.

[sturdy geyser]

i've gotten everything from 1 to 6 tempers from the same dungeon

[random prism]

By not bulk selling? What do you mean? It can happen, and very often does to many, on any sale.

It is a constant pest.

Outside of avakot, apparently, which renders you blind to which ones you are selling.

[midnight perch]

The new mace looks epic, thank goodness I have my heavy tree already leveled up a bit

Now to run around and get it XD

[tender plinth]

I literally cannot sell even one orst without it bricking the entire game

[random prism]

Them leaving a bug in, that has been there for quite a while, while adding a system that it impacts massively is annoying.

[hallow siren]

completely unrelated note, but the armor ur wearing is the christmas event stuff right? eventide or sumn? is it still avalible (I would love to look like a dendrit lad)

[brittle bobcat]

I Can Swim!!!!

😆🤣

[radiant beacon]

prism removal is the best thing ever

[pliant lintel]

tf are ou doing to make tha bug happen?? like i said, it only happened to me once and i'm jsut selling the mace one or three at a time as i collect them, that's it

[random prism]

It just happens, you have been lucky.

[hallow siren]

idris hiding behind the skycastle also just looks soooo frickin cool

crazy rim lighting

[tender plinth]

I either open my inventory and right click on the orst I want to sell or go to the camel and do the same thing and then it bricks

[pliant lintel]

i guess that's where all my luck went because i must have gone through something like 70 maces and it only happened once

[tender plinth]

damn, would be neat

[random prism]

Truly.

[pliant lintel]

in the dungeon?

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah the same sinecure officer

Middle of the dungeon

I just leave through the entrance

[pliant lintel]

and the officer is in the middle?

[sturdy geyser]

Aye

Usually near the water

By the rotating mechanism puzzle

[pliant lintel]

cogah?

[pearl beacon]

That was the Thawtide chest and leggings yeah! (but circade helm)

Sadly the Thawtide outfit is seasonal, but you will most likely be able to get it when Thawtide comes back this christmas 🙏

[sturdy geyser]

I didn't get the 6 tier in cogah

So io' think that matters

And there's a bug that resets enemy level so cogah isn't working anyway

[random prism]

There have been several that have cogah climbed to check and no difference has been noticed.

[tender plinth]

which dungeon?

[pliant lintel]

i'm guess i'm jsut gonna hope that steve didn'T mispseak when he said "p15 later this month" then

[sturdy geyser]

Near impidh

[tender plinth]

do u get tpd to a different location if u exit through the entrance

[sturdy geyser]

No

[quasi saddle]

Where do I find the smithy I just started playing yesterday and wanna upgrade to some better gear I have gotten stuff for from quests

[pliant lintel]

ok, idk if it's a sign, but first ime i beat the boss of shatter's dungeon i get an officer weapon. let's see if it means anything before i start going xrazy

[tender plinth]

testing shatters dungeon also

[pliant lintel]

@sturdy geyser if i don't get a good roll witthin the next 3 runs i will personally find you, steal your toilet paper, tilt all the frames in your place, and fat on your pillow. you better be right /j

[midnight perch]

Think I need to level up more to unlock this tempering stuff

It looks awesome XD

[sturdy geyser]

[edgy depot]

I am stuck in this mission need help , when trying to pull smite the animation is happening but not able to pull the smite

[hallow siren]

lets pray lol

[sturdy geyser]

It's bugged, ignoreit and head to the exit

[edgy depot]

Thnx

[signal timber]

Ya'll need to fix and focous on your Co-Op bugs, idk how to repeate any of them but it makes playing the game with others an unbearable headack with constant character visual stuttering, controls just randomly stop working, or you just suddenly cant click anything like exiting wepon and armor selections cuz "ESC" stops responding.... like, idk how to even report these as outside of happening ONLY in Co-Op, there are no tells of when/how they happen as some times its fine and other times your boned

[tender plinth]

same /j

[sharp beacon]

the only even remotely decent roll ive gotten so far

[daring bloom]

I also had a bug in co-op today that involved Oscelda pact, using weapons, and unable to do anything in general. I did post in forums though. My work around was having my friend join my game then I could play without issues. My friend also played with me without issues as well. I did not try playing with another pact this session.

[sharp beacon]

oscelda is bugged atm

[pliant lintel]

alright, the boss of the dungeon was a deer knight, i think this was a sign to tell me to step back,a nd stop worrying about a mace i don't even like the feel of, and only looking for a roll i'm not even sure i'll keep since 6 temper is almsot unanimously seen as too much

https://klipy.com/gifs/patrick-zen--k01KRH67Q9NATFQK9W4NQDBX6FH

[sturdy geyser]

That's at the very end

He's always there

[tender plinth]

there are 2 bosses in the dungeon

[sturdy geyser]

^

[pliant lintel]

have i been missing one the entire time?

[sharp beacon]

Which dungeon

[tender plinth]

deer knight first and the mace lady after. usually in a puddle near the exit

[tender plinth]

imphid under city

[pliant lintel]

oh, well, again, i'm stopping from caring about the mace. i'm satified with my roll

[sturdy geyser]

No no, always mace banneret first

[tender plinth]

also 2/3 have been pretty bad rolls so far

[pliant lintel]

are we talking about the dungeon that is also near kabocha?

[tender plinth]

Ive had the mace one been all the way at the end of the dungeon

[tender plinth]

no the one close to imphids arena

[sturdy geyser]

He does replace the knight deer on occasion

[pliant lintel]

yes, but on the left of it?

[sturdy geyser]

Right next to impidh

[tender plinth]

this one

[pliant lintel]

ok, so ther eisn'T always two officer tho

[sturdy geyser]

It's never two officers

[pliant lintel]

ok, yeah , no, i'm so done

i'm here to have fun, not bruteforce an incomplete system for something we should not have. I'm not lowering myself to that level

[night girder]

yeah it's better not to ultraworry about the rolls in the weapon, just find a good enough one and start killing

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah just test give ur two cents and that's it

[pliant lintel]

already did. system is amazing on paper, if the upgrade from craft tier to anther isn't insane it would be ok, and the tempers are nice, jsut need to be limited to 3, max 4, to actually make them meaningful

[night girder]

would be cool to implement somethink like valence fusion on these weapons but idk what everyone thinks

[pliant lintel]

now i got a paladine tempest to have a blast with. beats verus hands down, that 32% CDR si godly at 24 spirit

[pliant lintel]

it is kind of the plan if you listen to yesterday's little launch stream

[night girder]

i kind of phased out on the stream

i was on da clouds

[sturdy geyser]

Oh you'll be able to merge?

That's nice

[pliant lintel]

the idea is that we can drop a weapon and use it right away, but we'll be building up to it's max power in a time frame that would mimic the craft farm

[night girder]

maybe choose the tempers or some of them? i had the mace with amazing heavy attack tempers but only missing the quick charge of heavy attacks

[night girder]

sounds... good on paper, yes

well, that's why we're here, to test anyways

[pliant lintel]

if one weapon doesn't take more than like... idk, 3-4 hours total of not that really dedicated farming to reach top craft, then it's good

[old bone]

if weapon drops will now have random rolls, im assuming it will work the same with forged ones that you can't drop. so everyone will need a lot more resources if they want to make that god roll they want

[night girder]

the soulframe riven-like market starts hahahaha

[old bone]

lmao

[dapper gorge]

Hmm, weird

[pliant lintel]

even balance wise the system is kinda working of rn? comparing the mace to other heavy weapons, in raw stats it's beaten by needleseye, but is kinda far behind paragon and purity in general stats. but with the right temper, it beats purity in focused builds.

[pliant lintel]

not really. so far only dropped weaons are stated to have tempers, while fragment weapons will be more special

[old bone]

well its a pretty easy weapon to drop and used by a common enemy type so it makes sense to be closer to the starter weapons in power

[old bone]

ahh, so weapons like paragon will eventually have some unique tempers ?

[pliant lintel]

no

they will jsut have better stats, while rng weapons will have their tempers as their quirk

[old bone]

that seems bad to me personally

all the weapons should have quirks

[oblique pawn]

Some items can only be gotten once, so it's a curated roll or no tempers likely

[old bone]

I'd then just use the quirk weapons and shelf my other ones because the quirks are more fun

[pliant lintel]

maybe alter downt he line, but one thing for sure, they are ments to be essentially equal in power

[sturdy geyser]

Nooo i had full capacity so killing gawth didn't give me a mace

God damn it

[night girder]

idk about that, sometimes i kill a mace knigthmaiden and they didnt drop mace, and i had inventory full and some still dropped mace

just had to sell something to pick it up

[sturdy geyser]

It's different with gawth since the mace comes from the mushroom pickup

[night girder]

oooh aight, i thought i was tripping when i got her mace

[jagged meteor]

helloo, did they do smth like fps cap? i have noticed that i have 70-72 fps only with rtx 4070 ti 16 gb and cpu i7 14700k and 32 gb ram ddr5 (monitor 1440p 165 hz). How can I increase my fps?🙄

[sturdy geyser]

Verify the files through launcher

[jagged meteor]

okay i will try it^^

[sturdy geyser]

Could be a driver issue

[carmine pagoda]

maybe its because there’s more enemies everywhere now

[sturdy geyser]

Aswell

[jagged meteor]

with how many fps do u play?

[pliant lintel]

well, youkknow what they say about things when you stop looking forn them?

[carmine pagoda]

capped it at 60

[pliant lintel]

Ig ot a legendary moonsteel!!!!

[sturdy geyser]

Omg!

Where'd u get it?!!

[plush rose]

looks sus why

jk

[pliant lintel]

UI is buggy

[sturdy geyser]

Typical DE

[carmine pagoda]

why’s the tempers hidden

[pliant lintel]

gawt i think?

[sturdy geyser]

I see i see

[plush rose]

you know what

that does it imma farm more time to get that legendary baby

[night girder]

just got it? so why is it level 30 already?

[tender plinth]

I recommend the castle in south as there is a good run with 4-5 mace knights

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[pliant lintel]

they share levels

[plush rose]

im just reloging and spaming the 2-3 banmomies at the south gate , the wall i mean

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[tender plinth]

same

[plush rose]

hehe

[pliant lintel]

literally in the patch notes

[tender plinth]

this route specifically

[night girder]

ah i thought we were still on the joke

[sturdy geyser]

Oh wow, I've been killing bosses nonstop since the update and only now did i get a virtue lith

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-dexter-you-give-me-the-creeps-you-know-that-truthparadox-doakes-gif-2260767060581023552

[pliant lintel]

what joke?

[night girder]

who knows

[plush rose]

you can add 3-4 more

[pliant lintel]

also, i'm surprised how like, no one aside from me (as far as i could see) as kind of aknowledged that steve said p15 this month

[signal timber]

so.. is it possable to "craft" legendary versions of our stuff?

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-akakichi-no-eleven-gif-6695986364367126664

[pliant lintel]

not yet

[signal timber]

idk what that gift means xD

and ok Kayrozen

[unique ermine]

Oh right, are the crafted variants just regular or..?

[night girder]

it's like "who's gonna tell him"

hahahhaha

[signal timber]

ah, ok

is that gif from an actual anime? and is that how long their chin actually is LOL

[plush rose]

says noble lol

[signal timber]

noble, nice. I only got officer and military

[night girder]

yes hahahahaha

[plush rose]

i got like sovereign, officer noble miliatary

[night girder]

huh, now i wonder if the craftwork dictates the tempers or sum

[pliant lintel]

no, that system is changing. we are essentially going to have two types of weapons. crafted, and dropped. dropped will only be obtainable by, well, being dropped, and then will be upgradable at our smith. crafted weapons will jsut be that, crafted. as far as we know, they seem to be weapons that will will be one and done in term of power and attibute, while dropped are going to be customizeable to a higher degree

[plush rose]

number of tempers maybe ya

[unique ermine]

Odd, you would think that craftable should be customisable especially since it takes a good amount of effort to get the fragments together

[night girder]

yeah we'll see, the system is not fully implemented yet

[signal timber]

what would yall think is the best tempers on the mace as of current?

[pliant lintel]

on the surface, yeah,, but it's normal for what they are going for. the dropped weapons are ready to sue, no crafting, so the time you put on them to balance out is made to customize ands max them. while crafted, you already worked to get it

[pliant lintel]

depend on what you want to do with it

[signal timber]

for me, mostly just regular attacks, going for as fast as i can with the starter arm when you chose the fire king when you first make your character

[exotic meteor]

did they implement the river gambling system for a weapon?

[sharp beacon]

Just got a noble one and I just reforged my officer ofc ofc

[exotic meteor]

nice so we know what are gonna be sold for 1000arcs when trading releases

[pliant lintel]

then go for something like voltaic strike, stagger on attack, and sprint attacks

[plush rose]

noble craftwork has like3-4

tempers

[sharp beacon]

I imagine not

[ivory bone]

any reason that glows in spectral?

[night girder]

you can hang from it

[white otter]

that's... dark

[night girder]

depends on the view

[ivory bone]

ooo.. that didnt do anything else tho

[frosty ore]

me when ziplines exist

[white otter]

it does

it raises another chain that's connected to something random from underground

sometimes it can be a chest that you can break for loot

[gray torrent]

Game chat really being annoying about the new patch

Dunno if it were this way on the other Preludes

Altough i didnt like all the new things, ppl really being catastrophic about it

[ivory bone]

can it be a random chair too? 😭

[night girder]

game chat is most of the time like that

[frosty ore]

dont underestimate the power of a random chair.

[white otter]

if you pray to the man in the wall hard enough, it can be a totally normal office chair yes

[frosty ore]

especially if it's thrown at you

[sick gull]

"Weapon Rune"
"Weapon Totem"
Yeah we're getting ruens and totems for armour

[night girder]

they really do be saying "what? my pre alpha game acts like a pre alpha? barbaric"

[ivory bone]

especially in combination with something "you can hang from it"

[gray torrent]

For real

[sick gull]

What is chat annoyed about?

[frosty ore]

yea people are pretty silly.

[sick gull]

that a .5 patch is a .5 patch?

[gray torrent]

New mace too strong cuz have skills, RNG too bad too bad liths prism too bad new encounter are bugged too bad devs takes too bad everything

[frosty ore]

it's what happens when you use education to push propaganda over making people actually smart.

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day Envoys, Founders, Paragons and Stevens.

[gray torrent]

ANyway, what pacts are u guys favorite?

[white otter]

that DE does things that they want instead of what a certain player themselves wants the game to be or something like that idk i haven't paid attention to the conversations here

[daring magnet]

hes just spinning

[dapper gorge]

Been several hours since I said that

[gray torrent]

Im waiting my Mora's Hand being crafted

[dapper gorge]

Not great, but fun

And fun is what matters

[sharp beacon]

Im a big fan of sirin

[night girder]

i just love the tethren 2nd skill scream

[sick gull]

I do agree that pretty much everything we get trivializes the difficulty of the game with every patch and makes it far far far too easy.

Prism change is also just bad I agree

it used to be free respec, then prisms, now paid freeform

[night girder]

that's why were here for, to give feedback

but ppl act like the game is already finished

[sick gull]

respec change is just bad

[gray torrent]

I also dont like the new prism thing and im worried about how the tempers/RNG systems are, but ppl are acting like they spent 100 dolars in a full game release

[sick gull]

The worse a feature the louder you have to be and yeah the prism thing is just objectively bad

the tempers thing is eh i havent really played with it at all

[dapper gorge]

The thing with the tempers/RNG is that's very much a personal taste thing

[sick gull]

i think its bad if its just straight up power instead of interesting effects

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-gang-praised-gif-14847923944265501688

[sturdy geyser]

Some people actually did spend 100 dollars

[sharp beacon]

tempers are (imo) too strong but the game as a whole is too weighted to the player. the enemies dont really feel like they do anything

[night girder]

yeah but that's besides the point

[sick gull]

the enemies feel like warframe trash mobs

[dapper gorge]

I'm not too concerned with the pve balance at the moment, mob rebalancing can always be done and we're still allegedly on the starting island with more to come

[tender plinth]

to support the game, not purchase it
thats the entire point of founders

[dapper gorge]

Spending 400+ hours in the starter zone, you should be a bit overpowered by comparison

[sick gull]

PvE balance has been dead since like P11

[sharp beacon]

pve balance didnt exist in p8 either

[dapper gorge]

Nuke em with ode tempest

[sick gull]

true you could solo anything in P8 but it was harder

[sharp beacon]

im not really either just someones gotta say it

[dapper gorge]

[night girder]

can't wait for fully implemented ode infamy and such

[sick gull]

i never use pacts tbh

[fallow hemlock]

anyone got recommendations for mockery weapon farming?

[sharp beacon]

not really? fey was oneshotting nimrod

[sick gull]

We didnt have armour, didnt have runes etc

[sharp beacon]

ode tempest was a menace and garren rood infinitely stacked damage

[night girder]

every pact was speedblitzing nimrod hahaha

[gray torrent]

CLose to the place where Thrice bound Mockery spawns have lot of mockeries

[sick gull]

orengall had infinite damage too

nimrod is such a nimrod

[tender plinth]

generally Ive jsut kind of gotten the pieces as Ive played the game. they are enemy drops so technically just find a spot with a lot of them and mow them down till u have the drops imphid has chance for some of them also I think

[sick gull]

but those were bugs rather than design choices

[night girder]

damn i miss the orengall soul attack

it was so fun

[gray torrent]

3+the 3Bound and there's a dungeon close with 1/2. Also there's a Glades close to Nellynoch with 3 Mockeries

[fallow hemlock]

i'm literally missing one of the mockery weapons. it's just the one that doesn't wanna drop it's shards

[sick gull]

ill admit the current direction for SF is kinda boring in regards to enemies being beyond worthless to the point i feel like fighting a level 1 enemy and a level 30 enemy isnt that different at all

[sharp beacon]

I miss idols

[sick gull]

i thought cogah would be difficult but its basically play until you get bored

[gray torrent]

Tbh Orengall feels very op for me in comparison of all the other pact

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-tails-i-miss-her-a-lot-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-eggman-gif-27436480

[gray torrent]

Orengal and Bromius maybe

[tender plinth]

I mean yeah but DE is tackling these sort of bigger problems one at a time.

[sick gull]

i dont even use pacts and i find it easy ._.

[serene stump]

I just downloaded this game after seeing multiple videos on it, and it looks like a really fun game, I was wondering how to get the game do I have to be invited by someone or do I have to buy it?

[tender plinth]

read pinmned messages, TLDR no need to buy just wait for a stream and get invited as a twitch drop

[surreal basalt]

Both are options among a few other ways

[serene stump]

Alright, thanks for the help can't wait to start playing this game

[tender plinth]

anyone else just using secondaries as armorslots and not really as weapons?

[random prism]

How does one pick this up, I do not seem to have an option to.

[pliant lintel]

you're out of slots

[serene stump]

Another question since I just signed up today on wednesday would I still be elgible for one of the codes?

[tender plinth]

I noticed that I havent really used my secondary weapons at all and just mainly use the primary and pact abilities

[night girder]

out of slots

[random prism]

I had slots before the update, and was told that armor was given free slots.

So the update then just left me at max? I have picked up nothing since.

And armor was not actually given free slots.

[pliant lintel]

so... you actually never touched a mace?

[night girder]

seems so, i thought it was a bug too but then i counted everything i had and it was almost 50

just had enough to pick 2 maces

[random prism]

Jank.

So the update just helpfully dumps all your armor into your existing slot limit and tells you to deal with it.

[sick gull]

bad change yeah

i assume we are getting armour totems and runes because now they say "WEAPON TOTEM" which is redundant unless there are other types

[errant plinth]

I think The Cogah will absolutely have an impact on the rarity of the maces that drop.

[sharp beacon]

armour taking slots is certainly an option its not like you can do anything to it or even craft it again

[sharp beacon]

oh right

[night girder]

lotus on soulframe confirmed

[random prism]

It has been tested by several and no difference was found.

[torn ivy]

any likelyhood that agari and higher lvl enemies drop better quality weapons?

[random prism]

None observed thus far, so likely not.

[white otter]

higher level enemies, yes

or no?

[random prism]

People entered Cogah and level climbed and noticed no difference at any level.

[white otter]

[random prism]

Small sample size, sure, but it suggests that if there is a difference, it's small anyway.

[sick gull]

cogah feels undercooked

[errant plinth]

I'm on my hands and knees begging to differ. Only 3 Nobles so far.

[sick gull]

they need to make cogah give better drops

[night girder]

idk, i did notice that level12-20 mace wielders only dropped 1 temper weapons, and bannerets dropped 3-4 temper weapons

[random prism]

Same experience as anyone else at any level.

[night girder]

but it just may be my luck

[random prism]

Higher tiers are just stupid rare.

[torn ivy]

ah kk thought it was why i can only get officer as highest thus far

[fallow hemlock]

am i the only one that thinks smite and charm should be different buttons and that there needs to be a loot ui update, especially with tempers and stuff that'll come wiht p15?

[sick gull]

Im surprised people are farming the new weapon. But i guess im only after the XP to level it

[night girder]

hahahaha, probaby were fighting, wanted to smite someone but started charming a random animal, yes?

[random prism]

Oh yeah if there's an animal on your screen and in range it'll take priority.

[fallow hemlock]

yes and it happens regularly

[random prism]

That is particularly annoying and should be reversed.

I've had an animal sitting in the middle of combat actively deny me several smites in a row.

Even when I tried to keep it out of the center of my screen.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-throw-simba-monkey-animals-gif-17566525

[random prism]

They will always take priority in range for some reason.

[fallow hemlock]

i play on controllerr and there's no way to even seperate the keybinds. you only have skill binds, pull smite, and rune keybinds. like gimme the option to split them. even if i had to go into settings to say pull smite/charm are not on the same button in order to do so, i wouldn't care about the extra steps. iust lemme do it

[random prism]

Just found out for sure, via report, that selling a piece of armor that you have bestitched as an appearance will also remove that appearance and send the moonsteel thread you spent on it into the void.

Which is horrible with armor now taking inventory slots.

Bestitches should be permanent, not require you to keep the armor to also take inventory slots.

[random prism]

They're double-dipping on pressure to spend arcs on two different things.

[night girder]

damn, that sucks

[night girder]

Yoooo fire fit fr fr 🔥 🔥

[pliant lintel]

i'm pretty sure this is jsut an oversight

[eager moon]

Green is my favorite color so this is something Ive definitely been waiting for

[pliant lintel]

i get people are angry and annoyed, but folks, remember that this is an ALPHA. bugs and oversight are to be expected

[sick gull]

but also you should voice your anger so they fix it because it is the entire point

[fallow hemlock]

oh the sinecure really wanna fight me. i had 2 drop pyramids hit the ground simultaneously. one in front and one behind. pincer tactics only work when both squads are alive to do it boys

[night girder]

damn bro, green is also my favorite, gonna inspire my fit from yours

[hard dove]

selling maces is painful rn

[random prism]

Getting hit with the softlock?

[hard dove]

yeah

[eager moon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-blush-spongebob-silly-gif-5863003

[hard dove]

infinite loading

[random prism]

Yep.

Worst part is it doesn't even sell that item, you get to try again.

[hard dove]

sometimes it does for me

but the first time it happened it got rid of the mace and took my dracs with it

[random prism]

Ah so it's just inconsistent.

[sick gull]

i have no idea how you have 5 billion maces i just have the one

[hard dove]

reopening the game for the 6th time, sold a total of 10 maces

[desert wave]

Where do we find this ancestor lol?

[carmine pagoda]

they added somethings in our mom's castle

[stable pine]

transdimensional space mom

[night girder]

i just know that the castle siege gonna be legendary

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[sick gull]

we'll get to ride a wolf so it should be fun

p15 id guess? Hope?

[exotic meteor]

is that mssg stuck on my screen? i have upgrades for weapon trees but they are already maxed

[dapper gorge]

Yup

[sick gull]

yeah its annoying

hehe

[frosty ore]

what the dog doin?

[rigid musk]

Bug report it. The changes to the system are new, so likely it's an oversight.

[whole fossil]

anybody know how many modifiers the new orst 3 oden can drop with

[rigid musk]

Don't just stand there. talk to the wolf.

[hybrid pasture]

some reports it can drop up to 6 tempers

[whole fossil]

dang. ive only gotten 4 rolls

[sick gull]

only useful thing is XP but hey

[rigid musk]

I have yet to install the update. Been unable to game the past few days.

[hoary oracle]

is there supposed to be this many nimrods

[hybrid pasture]

Lest you be the prey, well at least its better than MORE GREASE FOR THE SOIL EH

[dapper gorge]

Can never have enough Nimrods.

[sick gull]

Ill be her prey anyday 😉

[hoary oracle]

6 of them

[eager moon]

https://tenor.com/view/touche-park-sangyoung-géza-imre-olympics-hit-gif-22490846

Green fencer

[hybrid pasture]

really? kick stagger? smh

[rigid musk]

It's the last words in the fable.

[hoary oracle]

nvm 5

[random prism]

I have a tiny bit of green on mine, mostly just very friend-shaped. The friendliest, even.

Just look at that smile.

[eager moon]

Green is such a vibe

[hybrid pasture]

I need to tear those teeth for crafting

[eager moon]

Its everywhere in my life lol

[rigid musk]

I'm more fond of the crone mask.

[random prism]

I like the smile on Zook, it makes your side profile great.

[whole fossil]

anybody know a good way to farm tier 3 fragments. Just northern map activities?

[random prism]

That smile would never lie to you.

It is the smile of your bestest friend.

[rigid musk]

If you buy that, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you...

[clever jewel]

Hey so it’s been a couple updates since ive played, what are these two white bars underneath my abilities on the hud?

[rigid musk]

Go watch yesterday's envoy hour.

[clever jewel]

Uh ok

[rigid musk]

And also maybe the stream right before that one.

[wary lance]

Hmmm yes, I love to swim

[tardy scaffold]

Btw has anyone seen Garren as one of these random bonus vendors? I've seen every other Omen Beast, and the music exists in game for a Garren Vendor, but I've yet to see him or see a screenshot of him

[rigid musk]

I've got some stuff I gotta take care of, then I can finally update the game and play the update.

[clever jewel]

There’s no way the information can be told here without me having to watch multiple livestreams?

[tardy scaffold]

It's Pact and weapon xp bars

[clever jewel]

Ok thank you.

[tardy scaffold]

I wish they'd dissappear after you hit rank 30 so there's a bit less clutter

[jagged meteor]

Is this good or it can be better?! (btw its 30 lvl, but for some reason it looks like 29)

[sharp beacon]

thats pretty strong

[tardy scaffold]

Honestly our enemies are so weak and we're so strong that these bonuses just feel like overkill imo.

[sharp beacon]

they absolutely are overkill

[jagged meteor]

i still dont get it how the power works but thank u for the comment😅

[signal timber]

Under the sea

[tardy scaffold]

They need to either rebalance difficulty around Envoy Rank, or increase enemy density with Envoy Rank

[white otter]

not P15

[sharp beacon]

density wouldnt work cus you can be swarmed by 70 enemies and they will just stare at you

[white otter]

o... old msg

[sharp beacon]

the AI needs to be updated and our power needs to be put in check

[sick gull]

i am the ripple spam god

[signal timber]

just enjoying some time with my mates under the sea. Good and far out xD

[tardy scaffold]

2fps

[sick gull]

they did the opposite

made it easier by reducing grenade tossing 🙁

[sick gull]

i wish

[sterile wraith]

i have been getting that bug as well, it is really frying my pc when i stay in nightwave too long

[sleek sequoia]

hey im rather new and i have a quick question ,
what do i need to expect in this game ?
is it like a soulslike or more like the final fantasy games ?

[sick gull]

what the heck is final fantasy like

i havent played a FF game since like FF4

[tardy scaffold]

It's been stated to NOT be a Soulslike, it's an online RPG

[sick gull]

i guess its closer to a soulslike than a turn based RPG?

[sterile wraith]

it a looter combat game that is open world

[desert wave]

Who was this?

[sick gull]

but thats like saying skateboarding is closer to driving a car than deep sea diving

[tardy scaffold]

World exploration vaguely analogous to Witcher, with the procedural tileset tech from Warframe used for dungeons

[sick gull]

Lady Deora

[sterile wraith]

young lady deora

but we haven't gotten any updates on garren and deora lore

[sick gull]

honestly her story in game feels like its 1/5th of what it should be

[sterile wraith]

that is legit with everything so far XD

[sick gull]

we go from
who this?
to
This person is enemy
to
Sad backstory
to
Fight and free her
to
friends now

In what is like the span of 20 minutes

[sterile wraith]

we have no idea what the omen beasts are actually doing after we save them

[sick gull]

feels like it should be a long arc

all the stories we encounter feel like theyre 5 minute flashback snippets rather than actual story

[white otter]

vibing in the silvern sea

[tardy scaffold]

The downside of them pulling back the scale of ther story here compared to WF, is that a more close-in narrative requires actual exploration of these topics. You can't breeze over this stuff or excuse it because of the grandeur like you can with WF

[sterile wraith]

that's what i thought was gonna happen with future quests, continuing the stag arc first before going to others, but it seems like they are doing multiple storylines and starting them all first with an introductory quest

[sterile wraith]

they gotta come back bro 😔 it's time to get the gang back together

after the frog and the ram i guess

[sick gull]

yeah it feels like watching a video at 10x speed... i feel like we skipped like 90% of the story

[tardy scaffold]

Well they show up in the open world now, so that's a start

[sick gull]

i feel like Lady Deoras thing has 2-10 hours worth of plot in it

but its like... 20-30 minutes

walking included

i assume its all so insanely short because its prealpha and they dont want to comit yet

its cliffnotes storytelling

[sterile wraith]

its supposed to be that we then would fight with lady deora, freeing the people and battling synods army, but that currently is reduced to the silent rose faction

[tardy scaffold]

Just like with WF, literally 30-90 seconds more context in each quest would triple their narrative value, but they just kind of refuse to do it. Even here in SF where we have Orlick, the literal perfect exposition tool

[sick gull]

im not too sure what the point of her story is even. Theres no real strong emotional beats to it since you essentially speedrun the main points of her story

[sterile wraith]

i mean, it would be weird if they deside to remove the current quest and then add the actual story quests 😅

[fast jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-swim-gif-6218872

[sick gull]

if DE was writing star wars luke would discover that darth vader killed is evil, that darth vader killed his dad, that he is actually his dad and then he sacrifices himself for the greater good in the span of 30 minutes

[sterile wraith]

all the recent quest have literally just been introducing the new gameplay loops, warframe, syndicate vendors with a story tied to it. it's been this way since new war

[unique ermine]

I kinda treat it as their introductions and every character is probably getting follow ups like Orlick to expand on

[sick gull]

I feel like narrative is one thing DE kind of suffers at.

I know WF players will say BUT NO but imho actually yes. They give very small bits of actual story, and theyre GOOD. Theyre good bits of story. But its always the cliffnotes/bullet points of a story

[tardy scaffold]

People threw a hissy fit about the old WF team making "content islands" (which the new team still does they just aren't as creative or varied in their gameplay and investment systems), but the new WF team makes Narrative/Thematic islands that tear apart the central feel of the game and it's world. Even if it is fun

[unique ermine]

WF definitely has been a lot of "I guess we are here now."

[sterile wraith]

i honestly kinda want just a story quest because of the story, like the natah quest was not introducing new systems or warframes or whatever, it was just story. They gave us the 5 minute lotus eaters quest that was just story, but they couldn't do more cause any more work into that would lose them money

[sick gull]

the weird thing is the story bits they add are good.

but its always insanely short

[sterile wraith]

cause there was nothing to sell there

[sick gull]

i know this because i play WF just for the story.

And boy is it small

[desert wave]

So how many of you have gotten the legendary grade mace? ;o

[sick gull]

it always feels like "huh thats... all? I feel like it just started..."

[sterile wraith]

very true and i am honestly scared for Tau quest, its just gonna be another giant ad for all the new gameplay content

[desert wave]

I wanna know what the highest damage output for the legendary mace is

[sick gull]

a lot of story stuff doesnt feel like its there to tell a story but purely to introduce mechanics

[tardy scaffold]

Yeah the difference between how SF has been developed and how WF is now being developed makes it very apparent the difference in design goals. New WF is very much "what's the next shiny gimmicky thing that will catch peoples attention or get streamers to promote the game for a minute", and SF is, as least right now, truly building out a world in a manner with creative integrity.

[sick gull]

I... actually think we practically never get story for stories sake

[sterile wraith]

kinda an after effect of new war. it was very long and good. The thing is they never actually do continues quests like how we got natah and then second dream richt after that directly continued the story

[desert wave]

Like here is the one that I have managed to acquire but it's like missing one of the tempers that give damage

[white otter]

do feel like Steve and Rebb have very different design philosophies

[desert wave]

Which is this one here^

[white otter]

good in their own ways of course but very different

[sick gull]

I both love and hate the WF story.

Its got an amazing narrative... if you piece it together yourself or watch some lore channel

[sterile wraith]

this this this!! i immediatly got so invested into the lore the moment soulframe got out and we got to read the location lore. It was awesome!

[tardy scaffold]

I really don't like the "Steve good Reb bad" or vice versa because it's a bit reductive and finger-pointy, but yeah. The old team clearly cares about building a WORLD more than a game.

[desert wave]

I like Steve's dark and gritty with the Umba questline . -.

[sick gull]

Lore =/= story but yeah. I love lore, and its good. The story suffers

[oblique pawn]

Eh, the mainline cinematics give a fair bit.

Not some of the better gossip, but it's not bad.

[desert wave]

Kinda wish he'd come back to Warframe and give us Rhino Umbra u wu

[sick gull]

they do but not much

[white otter]

tho i guess Steve's not the CD for SF... Geoff is..

[sick gull]

and SFs problem really is that its still doing that cliffnotes storytelling of WF

but yeah probably just an alpha thing

[desert wave]

Steve is CEO of the company ;>

[white otter]

it most likely is just an alpha thing.

myes

used to be creative director for WF tho

[sick gull]

My only worry is its basically the same in WF so... yeah

[white otter]

i'd imagine he does have some hand in soulframes story too but ye

[sterile wraith]

yeah but then they decided to remove some high context quests into side quests for the sake of player getting quicker to the end game

like cetus introduction

[sick gull]

the heck is cetus

[sterile wraith]

which baffles me to this day

[oblique pawn]

True. They did overstreamline a bit. Though making Heart a requisite was nice.

[white otter]

cetus deez nuts

[sick gull]

damn it

i fell for it

[white otter]

heh

[oblique pawn]

Cetus is basically a fishing village

[tardy scaffold]

what? isn't that still there

[sharp beacon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/STRAPPEDUS-flightreacts-flight-reacts-team-stand-up-7oFbG03C8AvFbv4Iti

[oblique pawn]

That harvests meat from a tower

[sick gull]

i dont remember that...

[oblique pawn]

No longer required to get to Mars

[white otter]

Ostron.... what was it now colony?

[oblique pawn]

Just Ostron Colony

[sick gull]

was it a location on earth thing?

[tardy scaffold]

oh. But like, who's gonna not go there?

[sterile wraith]

yeah but it is not required for the main story, and many people skip it most of the time when doing earth, and therefore lose a lot of context

[white otter]

earth openworlds hub

[oblique pawn]

Yeah

[sharp beacon]

do joinerys just not work on the new mace at all?

[sick gull]

oh i hated that open world area thing

makes sense i dont remember much of it

[white otter]

from what i've heard yeah

[sick gull]

its like SF but you walk 100x more

[sharp beacon]

sao ive wasted two

coollll

[white otter]

could also just... fly

[sterile wraith]

how long have you not played warframe?

[white otter]

valid question

[sterile wraith]

it is much better right now i feel XDD

[sick gull]

you need some upgrade to do it which would take SO SO Long to g et

[sterile wraith]

and yeah you can just fly

[sharp beacon]

no you dont you get in your archwing and fly

[sick gull]

which again, you need to get some upgrade for

[white otter]

it really doesn't if you just play the game

[sterile wraith]

but.... you just do the archwing quest.....

[tropic cypress]

what's the common consensus on virtue liths ?

[sharp beacon]

they lowered the requirements for that significantly

[sick gull]

i remember trying to get that upgrade and quitting

I did it last year, or tried

[white otter]

[sterile wraith]

but....you get an archwing after the quest

[sick gull]

but again, i really, really, really dont like the gameplay of WF

i have an archwing

[white otter]

yeah but you need the launcher segment to use it in openworlds

[sick gull]

you need some upgrade thing to use it on the planet

[tardy scaffold]

Good change, bad currency balancing. 1 step forward 2 back

[sterile wraith]

oh wait fr? i don't remember getting that, its been a long time XDDD

[white otter]

yes..

[sick gull]

the quests to get the mats were extremely boring so i just went "i have 500 better games to play"

[sterile wraith]

damn bro

[white otter]

i mean... you do you i suppose

nuffin wrong with that

[sterile wraith]

its gonna be the same in this game though XD

[sick gull]

Just wasnt fun and I had better games to play

[sterile wraith]

grinding for some weapon

[sick gull]

eh I find the gameplay loop in SF infinitely better than WF

[tropic cypress]

yea i agree tbh. I think it should be like wevetseeds but maybe less, like idk, one a week? so you can still guarantee having them for free but can also buy some to be faster (if they really want to monetize them i mean, id be happy with just having them all for free lol)

[sick gull]

its actually fun

[sterile wraith]

right now yeah

[sick gull]

I find warframe very... boring

[hollow frost]

wait till they add new zones, more enclave possibilitie

[sterile wraith]

but if all the weapons gonna have the same thing as the mace.... ooooff

[sick gull]

I mean does it matter? Im just ignoring the mace thing

[tropic cypress]

i like both warframe and soulframe from the bottom of my heart, but for very different reasons

[white otter]

well that is the plan mostly anyways afawk

[sterile wraith]

gonna invest a lot of time into this then XDD

[sick gull]

the game is insanely easy, you really dont need the mace with upgrades etc

[tropic cypress]

they said there'll be a way to dissolve them and pretty much get the roll you want

[tardy scaffold]

Nah way more than that. Tying basic virtue allocation to a consumable is baaaad. You can't experiment freely anymore. They'd need to give me like 5 a day, and at that point they should just get rid of it

[sterile wraith]

yeah i like collecting weapons, but i don't really enjoy the riven like aspects of it. Just gonna get a relatively good set of tempers and then bail on the weapon most likely

[sick gull]

SF is fun melee gameplay (magick was made by a person who hates gameplay in general) and i do generally enjoy just running and killing things

[white otter]

which is also a valid way to do it

[tropic cypress]

lmao fair enough

[sick gull]

i think ive been "playing" WF for 12 years. I have the 12 years sticker badge thing

but i generally just bounce off of it

i think its a good game but its very clearly not for me

[stray rose]

👋