envoy-gathering

[random prism]

Which could've just been solved by pasting an announcement in every channel, but it is what it is.

And the announcement of it merging was clear as day in the announcement channel anyway.

[pliant lintel]

I want Scott and steve to directly look in the camera nect big nerf that gets complained, and jsut say "we are actually balancing this game. this means buffs, but also nerfs. you will get a good game and deal with it"

WE ARE NOT GETTING DAMAGE ATTENUATION TO NOT HURT THE FEEFEES OF SOME BABIES THAT CAN'T ACCEPT A NERF TO BROKEN STUFF!!!!

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-121--k01KRCT07G15PDT6JWGK6R4GE58

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

(yeah... i'm not drunk but i do have very little filtering, dear mora)

[random prism]

There's already pushback whenever something is 'nerfed' here, despite this being a pre-alpha. Hell there was pushback against the rune change despite that being objectively necessary. I can only imagine what it's like over in WF lmao.

[pliant lintel]

SCOTT!!! GIVE ME THE NERF SHOVEL! I WILL PERSONALLY SLAM DUELLO!!!

[woven siren]

They dont do nerfs anymore

Although Hildryn could use one...

[pliant lintel]

in ef they would riot over conserving the headshot problem

[woven siren]

People would quit the game over mid torid

[pliant lintel]

they do, but not enough, nowhere near enough

the game as the balance of a pay to win withotu any actual paying to win, jsut the disastrous player imbalance

[woven siren]

Its a power fantasy game with no pvp. Its not needed 99% of the time tbh

[pliant lintel]

that's not how you use power fantasy tho

it's not a fixed thing, it's jsut used to describe anything that has some big wish fullfilment in it

pokemon is one, you aren't trainig ndragon and capturing god in real life

[random prism]

Yeah but it has a very obvious common meaning.

[woven siren]

Pokemon also lower quality too tbh

[random prism]

One that is valid because of how common it is.

[pliant lintel]

and warframe? the power fantasy is to be a near unstopable killing machine. and what do we get? a "strong" machine that relies purely on mechanical abuse to kill fast enough to not get vaporized by the first bullet that gets past your shields

[random prism]

When most people say 'power fantasy', they mean such that you feel as if you are above everything around you and can crush them with ease.

[plain totem]

found the tourists

[random prism]

It is a fantasy of overwhelming strength and ease of completion.

[pliant lintel]

?

[pliant lintel]

i don'T feel overwhelmingsly strong when the onyl thing protecting me is jsut the gating mechanic

[woven siren]

They did say health tanking would be a focus for this year, we got a nidus touch up

And an arcane to remove shields too

[stable pine]

They do
There's a random odd nerf but usually stuff gets nerfed in Warframe by power creep

[pliant lintel]

and i hope we get more stuff. i can live with the player damage being fricked, but gosh, i want to feel threatened by a heavy gunner again, feel the urgency when one appeared and started reavving up mtheir gun. i want to be rid of gating dammit

[night girder]

buiding to survive by shieldgating is just so boringg man, me and my homies hate catalyzing shields

[woven siren]

Could also just take the things that make you invincible off

[woven siren]

I use catalyzing shields on one frame

[random prism]

'Just don't use it' is never a good excuse though.

[pliant lintel]

even without cata it,s already so strong. you naturally move everyhere rn bue to the low survivability, so you end up with the gate soaking like 90% of the damage you should take. it's boring, they should have jsut buffed the squish frames back then, not make everyone gatable

[night girder]

yeah

[woven siren]

Its an option, you can play the game however you want

[pliant lintel]

"jusT plAy soLO!!!!" is also the worse

[woven siren]

Solo is fun sometimes

[pliant lintel]

alright folks, enough warframe, i can sense the mods about to barge in, let's go back to our sweet darling

[woven siren]

Where the blue names 👀

[pliant lintel]

sweet sweet darling that will eventually get a balance patch once it's furether along

[pliant lintel]

you want to stop before they barge in

now, who's hyped for p15?

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-meme-golden-freddy-itsme-its'me-gif-11904115456109211613

[pliant lintel]

that variety bit really got me hyped

[woven siren]

Ik nothing of it

[pearl beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/obi-wan-62--k01KRCTNDQCVEF7NQDQ58V9HVAK

[pearl beacon]

mmm systyms

[random prism]

Sorcery.

[woven siren]

Wait, I think I missed the SF prime time. Damn

[night girder]

mmmm stems

[pearl beacon]

Wym? It's in 19ish hours https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[woven siren]

Oh, tomorrow. Kewl

[pliant lintel]

the quirk on weapons really interest me, because i tought about it, and it might likely be something akin to get a extra totem effect on weapons, something similar to the railjack passives on components.

like, people think diablo for those, but me i genuinly jsut see actual little quirks

[night girder]

i can just sense that 1 minute after it ends a bunch of ppl will ask for a code

[woven siren]

I just need more content, sieges are too easy and boring

[pliant lintel]

they are not too easy, we are jsut overtuned

important nuance

[night girder]

and that we learn from our mistakes

the first time i did mirifuir it was so hard, then i figured out some strats

[woven siren]

It was a snore fest to play through the first time

Id rather have a siege in cogah mode 👀

[pliant lintel]

because you had one of the op setup

[night girder]

then just... drink cogah and go to the sieges?

[woven siren]

Not really, I was using sirin with a sword

And I didnt play since the virtue changes so my stats were all wacky

[pliant lintel]

we get it, you're godly at the game. now we know to ignore you because you are an outliar

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-know-idk-99--k01KRCTGDM2CSKDN5TTMPGMHNM4

[night girder]

yeah, i think so too lol

[fast crescent]

I am but, I also am hyped for another hotfix rune button keybind, visual glitches in rovgot ruins and other misc bug fixes would be nice! I’m not sure if they’re all hands on deck until p15 or are still going to hotfix p14, I guess we will see tomorrow! (Maybe)

[woven siren]

Nothing really challenging yet

Just spam left click and win

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-thumbs-up-group-thumbs-up-circle-okay-gif-4307739110186058516

[pliant lintel]

it sounds hars to say, but it's also kinda true. outliars are that, outliars. if they don't represent the average player, then it's not good to focus solely on that. otherwise that's how you get things like the aprex tank...

[fast crescent]

They’re eventually going to add harder content, if you have ideas or suggestions, put them in #1438224662344761345

[pliant lintel]

i am genuinly surprised we still havenT' gotten a fix yet. it's been more than a week, and with the ingame shop on, you expect the dev team not getting poached by the wf team anymore either

[night girder]

damn the apex tank, fun but hard as hell

i'll give it a try later

[fast crescent]

I know they’ve hired more people, but I bet because of how DE operates, much of the team still gets pulled to help with wf time to time. Hard not to when the people who have the most experience in your custom engine are a door away

[random prism]

I mean, not really.

The game as a whole, with any pact right now, ain't that hard, but that may be just us being universally overtuned.

[night girder]

i was gonna say that maybe we had enough hotfixes but then i saw the number of hotfixes from p12

[random prism]

The player strength vs the difficulty we face hasn't yet been fine tuned.

That will come in time.

[night girder]

hopefully with a better enemy ai and the ode infamy

[woven siren]

They said it themselves

[pliant lintel]

and well, warframe is still the amin cash flow

[fast crescent]

We still have basic systems and subsystems in early development 😅 combat arts, pact upgrades, loot, etc., I doubt difficulty can really be considered top priority when they have massive reworks planned. We just got an early revision to virtues which will absolutely change again. From watching dev streams, they’ve talked about how they had to massively improve their development tools in order to support new animations, performance and graphics tech.

[pliant lintel]

"THEY"???? what are you, WOKE??????????

[woven siren]

😭😭

[pliant lintel]

oh wait

[random prism]

Wut?

[woven siren]

Wrong server?

[pliant lintel]

no, just joking over the fact i'm the one with pronouns in bio

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-17819523677344704002

[woven siren]

I didnt even look tbh

[random prism]

I just always use they tbh, keeps it simple.

[woven siren]

Same

[random prism]

Same lol, I never do.

[pliant lintel]

wrong server would be me pressing a clicker

[fast crescent]

Just check back a year ago with Soulframe, they just had added sidearms and armour stats, along with the Crypt we’ve already come a far way from that point. A year from now is going to be really cool to see

[woven siren]

Crypt is pretty cool

[pliant lintel]

and no, let's not ask DE to give a clicker to leady D, you know they'd do it for the lols

[fast crescent]

Besides once they get most systems in and settled in a spot they’re happy with, production typically ramps up in game dev, so we might see a lot of changes quickly

[pliant lintel]

oh eyah, once they got the core stuff covered, we'll be drowing in balance pass and content

i can'T wait tog et there

[ocean blaze]

You know how easy it is to be able to 1-3 tap Cogah bosses. Use tethren, use a decent high DMG/hit greatsword type weapon. Use the easiest rune to get ever. Boom, using the first ability with 2-4 charges, you can kill any boss in 3 seconds by spamming the rune.

[night girder]

yeah i'm happy with the game rn, the only real issue i have is that the enemies are hella passive but that will be fixed eventually, as everything else

[random prism]

I think bosses just need special rune DR, like how some arcanics just do less damage to bosses.

[pliant lintel]

they did it with sirin, that kinda takes skill unless you go full picktrix

[random prism]

We need the same for runes to keep them feeling strong against mooks but keep them from speedrunning bosses.

Which they still do.

And I'm talking like, 50% DR or more. Specifically to the damage runes add.

[pliant lintel]

biggest issue is that we just outgrew everything. i hope they had content scaling in p15

[ocean blaze]

I use daggers for some fun and just do dodge back stabs

Only real challenge I get at this game.

[fast crescent]

You could make the same argument in games like Elden Ring or Dark Souls lol so many people just build massive bleed damage and kill bosses quickly.

Even in Warframe most of the community optimizes bosses and content rapidly.

[night girder]

that also but it annoys me so much to attack a dude and the other enemies just stand there watching, only the archer is smart enough to keep attacking

even the dude that i'm attacking doesnt attack

[random prism]

Not sure what your point is, as that's equating two things of very different scale. You can't walk up to a boss in Elden Ring and kill them in 3 seconds with bleed.

[ocean blaze]

Yeah, but the fact you can start with the most op pact, get the rune like it's candy, and all you need to do is get a great sword, it's kinda too easy to be able to demolish bosses.

[pliant lintel]

yeah, likely an overcorrection from pre p13, where we died FAST over our lack of defense, and enemies were hyper agressive

[pliant lintel]

yeah, it's 15 seconds with unerfed rivers of blood

[random prism]

Even when armor was outright disabled I wasn't dying all that much tbh, once you get the combat rhythm down it's fine.

That'll probably be fixed with some kind of AI improvement.

Most enemies are just kinda derpy, aggressive or not.

[ocean blaze]

Even 1v1ing a level 60 nimrod with tethren and king armor is too easy. Just duking it out no holds bared and not being able to die

[fast crescent]

I mean I do want difficult content, and I know it’ll come. That’s what my point is, but any difficult content is bound to be optimized or exploited/cheesed.

Right now in Soulframe we are so early in development that difficulty isn’t a priority.

[ocean blaze]

I genuinely think that pact needs a nerf

[random prism]

Tbf any one single enemy should not pose you difficulty.

Even without pact abilities at all, a level 60 Nimrod just dies to headshot throw spam.

Or just... backing up when he attacks.

Enemies are very straightforward pretty universally.

[ocean blaze]

I don't think you should be able to forget dodging or blocking against any boss especially in cogah

[fast crescent]

Compare Soulframes enemy ai to warframes. They’ve already done massive improvements and eventually we will get even more as they work on stuff like sieges and boss encounters.

[night girder]

yeah, we just have to wait

[pliant lintel]

NERF???? ARE YOU AGAISNT PEOPLE HAVING FUN- wait this isn't warframe we are ok with nerfs here

[random prism]

Yeah, this was never argued. The point was whether or not it is difficult now, which some would say it is.

[fast crescent]

Not even that long ago, ai in Soulframe was very basic. Enemies didn’t support each other, or have any aoe attacks etc. so it just comes in time

[random prism]

When it really isn't, not that that's an issue, cus yeah, pre-alpha.

[ocean blaze]

I get fun, but making the entire battle mechanics useless combated to every other pact kinda takes away from the game itself

[night girder]

i'd argue that the first ability needs to be changed/reworked but idk

[ocean blaze]

Less heal on hit and less of a spike in damage for its first.

[random prism]

Tbf Fellust ain't even all that broken anymore comparatively.

[pliant lintel]

how dare you imply that balance is a good thing! don'T you knwo it comes to nerfs to my glorious duello????

[random prism]

Right now Grace is cracked enough that a Flintlock headshot does the same.

At leats on a high Grace build.

We'll get balance passes in the future across the board is what I'd expect.

[ocean blaze]

Duello is fun but in my opinion, in no way a high class pact.

[random prism]

Huh?

Duo Duelo is freaking cracked.

By itself it pushes Duelo into one of the strongest pacts right now.

[pliant lintel]

anyway, i gotta go, i'm in vc with my partenr and she's showing me eher last epochs build, and i jsut love her too mcuh

[random prism]

A 50% damage increase is insane.

[ocean blaze]

Did you know, assassinations don't count towards removing tethren charges

[random prism]

Applying both to its own Flintlock and to rune damage.

[night girder]

https://klipy.com/gifs/magnifying-glass-gem

[random prism]

The only pacts kind of lacking right now are Tempest and Sirin. I think Bromius's ultra thump got nerfed so it sits in the middle with Mora's and Rood, and then stuff like Tethren, Oscelda, and Duelo are up there at the top in cracked multiplication potential.

[night girder]

and mora's hand is just there on the corner

[random prism]

Yeah, I included it in the middle.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/lerolero-itswill-do-this-dance-cat-hands-dance-gif-15634157831569175603

[random prism]

It's good, pretty dang good, but not broken.

Well, aside from max Grace builds letting your 3 one-tap stuff it really should not.

But that's not the arcanic, that's just Grace being cracked right now.

[night girder]

huh, i should play some more with mora's hand then

[white ginkgo]

You should've seen tethren in its prime

[ocean blaze]

Bromius completely negating any and all fall damage go brr. Not that it matter when weapons do it too.

[random prism]

I did. I was there for the arrow hail supremacy.

It was revolting.

[vagrant wigeon]

how are we suposed to smite these plants to get the codex entry? they die in one hit

[white ginkgo]

I will probably never see 21,000 damage again

[ocean blaze]

Use fists and a low virtue build

[night girder]

damn, arrow hail tethren, it could kill level 100 enemies in the inifinte waves room

[random prism]

Instantly too lmao.

[night girder]

fr

[random prism]

They die in one hit anyway, and also explode upon contact.

You simply cannot collect their lore right now.

[ocean blaze]

Wish upon a star, idk

[night girder]

yup

[white ginkgo]

Are there any other unobtainable codex entries right now?

[night girder]

they will probably rework or change how you get their information in order to get the information from the will o wisp

[white ginkgo]

I'm only aware of those guys

[night girder]

like 3 or 4 hard ones, but still obtainable

[vagrant wigeon]

maybe just make codex fill up from kill without the need to smite

[night girder]

yeah, or maybe some sort of scan while in soulmode too

[west nebula]

Do u need to pull smite to obtain codex or just kill em over and over again?

[night girder]

smite

[vagrant wigeon]

need to smite

[west nebula]

Ah, I see

[vagrant wigeon]

just kills dont count

[night girder]

dude has to be alive tho, but doesnt matter if the smite kills it

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[gray torrent]

This last 3 days i killed 30 Stags, and no Polearm fragment yet

I dont even remember its name anymore T-T

[normal lantern]

Found an endless, anyone want to join?

[young sun]

I didn't even have a single weapon fragment from the stag since I started the prelude

[nova spade]

So which is better Purity or Paragon GS?

[nova spade]

Use an unlevelveled flyblade maybe?

[woven siren]

Purity iirc, ik needleeyes has the same stats as Paragon GS

[nova spade]

So far both maxed and with joineries Paragon has higher numbers and slightly higher Smite

Odd

[random prism]

Technically depends. Purity has better base damage, Paragon coming in second place there, but Paragon has a unique charge system that can store up to 3 charges, attained via smites.

Each of those charges increase the damage of your next heavy and are consumed upon such.

They allow Paragon to hit WAY harder when charged.

[random prism]

So if you're running flyblades and some smite spam, Paragon can potentially outperform Purity.

Especially in its ability to one-shot heavy units.

[woven siren]

They mustve changed it from when I played

Havent looked at paragon GS since p13

[nova spade]

I mostly play charged attacks on GS, so I guess PAragon it is

[random prism]

Purity caps higher than that, higher than Paragon does.

It comes out to like... 10-20 more base damage.

Iirc.

[nova spade]

How does this cap thing work? They are both on max scaling no?

[random prism]

But yeah, if you absolutely spam smites, such as by using flyblades, Paragon can rise above, but otherwise Purity is better.

[random prism]

You just don't have enough virtue points to hit their cap cus their cap is very high.

I'm at 33/15/15 and Purity still sits just below cap.

If I shift prisms and go 41/11/11, it caps out.

I know Purity exceeds 450 damage.

[nova spade]

That's tied to Mastery Level, right?

[random prism]

Yeah.

And using all of the virtue bonuses available.

I have all three +6s maxed on every pact I use as a priority, and use the triune talisman.

[nova spade]

+3 on everything?

Same as the Paragon Talisman I suppose

[random prism]

Yeah.

More total benefit than the +6 talismans now that each virtue actually means something.

[hushed rampart]

I took his limbs

[nova spade]

Someone just posted this on Reddit 🤔

[low geode]

s tier - igne mora
f tier - everything else

[nova spade]

Praise the Mora

[daring magnet]

ew tier list

[nova spade]

understandable, reaction but they have their uses

[daring magnet]

its not even comparing things from the same weapon class

I could understand a sword tierlist, as theres no real differences between them aside from stats and animations, like no passives etc

comparing a polearm to a sword is just goofy lol

[random prism]

Not really?

The flat DR sees to that.

[nova spade]

I guess there is comparing damage outfit even between different classes

[random prism]

Heavier weapons are just better right now, sadly.

Cus they're shafted less by the armor system.

Game isn't hard enough for that to be relevant, but it exists.

[nova spade]

Wdym sadly? Big bonkers deserve this

[random prism]

All them dual blades being on bottom makes perfect sense tbh.

[daring magnet]

also slower

[random prism]

Sadly in that classes are not very balanced against one another right now.

[random prism]

Not enough to remotely matter.

[daring magnet]

potatoes and oranges sorta comparison thing

[random prism]

Even faster, you just do far less damage.

Cus you just get reduced way more.

[spice walrus]

Huh. I'd reached the opposite conclusion, thinking that faster hitting weapons have more opportunities to proc smite.

[daring magnet]

thats what the beaver totems are for

I guess if you didnt enhance the weapon at all then okay

[random prism]

For smite spam sure, but I'm pretty sure this is just on their own.

[random prism]

Even then, that's like, 15 flat increase? It doesn't close the gap.

[daring magnet]

I do fine solo in cogah with them

[random prism]

Yeah, the game isn't hard, I already mentioned this.

All content can pretty easily be completed with all weapons, especially at max.

But it's also true that weapon classes are not very balanced right now.

To ignore that is to ignore our responsibility to give feedback.

[daring magnet]

which is why a tierlist that shows the best of each type would be better

[random prism]

Cus it should be fixed.

The flat DR isn't very healthy.

[daring magnet]

thats steve balance for ya lol

corrosive meta

[random prism]

The thing is, for example, the weakest polearm is objectively far stronger than the strongest dual blade, assuming they are used in a void.

This is something that should be acknowledged and addressed.

For more meaningful variety among our weaponry.

Weapons shouldn't exist in a single niche that props them up into usability.

So them being okay at smite spam and when propped up by Bromius's armor passive ain't a justification for their otherwise weak state.

Like, I agree that making any tier list is premature, as the game is easy and everything absolutely will be changed several times yet.

But skimming it over, it does make sense where everything is placed.

I just don't think it's worth the effort making such a thing yet.

It won't last.

[daring magnet]

I just dont like comparing differing weapon types to each other, the real issue is having an objectively best like say a sword out of all the swords

[nova spade]

Wait, now that I think of it, arent Bows now OP with Grace, if you consistently hit headshots?

[random prism]

I see the use of it, as it points out that some classes as a whole are severely lacking.

[random prism]

Everything is with Grace, so long as it can headshot.

Both Flintlock and Mora's 3 have been used to onetap bosses.

[daring magnet]

I get that

how did this get undone wtf

[random prism]

I've seen that bug reported everywhere in-game.

It just scrubs stuff sometimes when you log in.

I don't bother with it yet because of that.

The system is new and thus still very buggy.

[daring magnet]

ye and some entries are just wrong

like this is not anara and castellan huthra doesnt exist lol

[random prism]

Drop tables are also inaccurate.

At least that I've noticed.

It says Knell Knight drops thrice joineries, he does not.

His level makes him drop twice, which I confirmed from testing.

[daring magnet]

I do hope they add a plants/shrooms tab and move these guys to that

given you cannot smite them and they are for all intents and purposes just aggro plants

[random prism]

The drop tables being inaccurate also means they've been manually entered instead of just checking the actual drops of that entity, which is an odd way to do it.

At least, to me it seems weird, idk what the difference would be in the code so it may just be easier this way.

Or perhaps they do check the actual drops of that entity and it just doesn't work right now.

We have no way of knowing.

[daring magnet]

ah ye, apparently you can use thrice joineries after level 20 now and not at max

not sure if that was an intentional change or not

[nova spade]

Where do you get the other 2 halfs of the quest Talsman? I found one in a crypt through a coffin

[muted owl]

Quest talisman? As in the pendants? or Mora's Medallion?

[daring magnet]

this?

[muted owl]

The pendants come from ||defeating the boss at certain places around the crypts|| whereas the medallion of mora is from any undercity chest

[nova spade]

Yessss

[random prism]

You shouldn't be getting that out of a sarc, yeah.

You use the funny glowing circle thingies and yeah what Helix said.

[daring magnet]

go to crypts, fight the boss next to glowing symbols on the walls

[muted owl]

Depending on which one you already have, you'll have to ||fight the boss at the other two location/colors to get them. Once per crypt run.||

[young sun]

then equip each piece and wait for the circade to spawn in the overworld to get the crafting materials

[nova spade]

I found this one, but I think I amready fought this before, Im not sure to follow

[daring magnet]

theres one that spawns at certain times of day related to the name of the talisman piece you have when wearing the piece, not inside the dungeon

the boss in dungeon needs to be lured to a mural of a colour you dont have already to get a new piece

[nova spade]

Ohhh

[daring magnet]

currently in there myself for journal entries lol

[young sun]

I want the wazzard set but all I get is falx T-T

[nova spade]

Oscelda my beloved, but I play a Courage build

[mossy valley]

I wish there was a covered mouth option for the circade helmet

[daring magnet]

eh?

[mossy valley]

circade helmet is uncovered mouth

I can see my envoys lips

[daring magnet]

it has a closed option

[mossy valley]

It has a what now

where how

[daring magnet]

right click it

[mossy valley]

if its bestitched?

or does it only work for the original helmet

[daring magnet]

you just click that slot, but I dont know if bestitched works

[mossy valley]

no I dont mean that

I mean I dont want to see his chin

[young sun]

cries in 0 magick defense

[mossy valley]

ungabunga full send courage

[daring magnet]

best I could say is to use orengall instead

[mossy valley]

Yea, that's my next option, but I need to get the appropriate fragments first

I have much farming to do

I want to level my paragon while getting the necessary fragments for Purity from mendicant king

and then I have my knight cosplay

[fervent bloom]

batman

[mossy valley]

and then when I get to R5 kith I can get hand of mora

with that 30 courage 0 spirit 0 grace

ungabunga magic touches me and I die

[fervent bloom]

i need a courage main, grace secondary one

[young sun]

still can't buy paragon

at this point I'm concerned if this will cause my card to be blocked if I keep trying

[nova spade]

Talk to support

[rich flower]

Hi good Day how to get soulframe code?

[young sun]

create a soulframe account and link your twitch account then join their livestream (which happens every wednesday) and watch for 30 minutes

or buy a founder pack

[rich flower]

thx

[young sun]

or wait for some good people to give you preludes invite code

I just gave away my last code, unfortunately

[rich flower]

💔

[solid fable]

livestreams don't happen every wednesday, but wednesday is when the weekly giveaways happen

[rich flower]

hmmm

is there is any other way to get code?

[solid fable]

getting access through the weekly invites isn't guaranteed
but there is a guaranteed twitch drop in about half a day:
https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[silk pecan]

Huaaa i got weird thing happened

[white parcel]

hi

[silk pecan]

I was about to craft iron ingon/brass ingot for the lady blacksmith quest

But i check the quest is already done

[white parcel]

i think its cause the ingots do nothing

[silk pecan]

I havent even craft yet....i checking before crafting it but its already done

[nova spade]

Do you lose standing when you swap faction?

[solid fable]

no, but your standing is separate for each faction

so if you join a new faction you haven't been in before, your standing will be at 0
if you switch back to the faction you previously joined, your standing will be back to where it was before you left

[young sun]

will the game support DLAA?

[nova spade]

Oh sweet, so I can switch back and forth without any standing loss

[solid fable]

yep, pretty much

[solid fable]

i think it will eventually, but they've said things like DLSS and FSR are things they'll look at upgrading in the future

[restive coyote]

assuming you mean the Nvidia tech, I hope not
it's not really needed and only gives Nvidia an excuse to keep putting their AI garbage in everything

[young sun]

well there is already DLSS in the game anyway

[restive coyote]

DLSS and FSR are already in Soulframe, and that's all you need

upgrading the versions that are compatible would make sense, but DLAA is pretty ass tbh

[solid fable]

i'm not a really technical person, but i've heard that DLAA is basically DLSS

if it does come, it'll probably head to warframe first and then be ported over to soulframe afterwards

[young sun]

I personally like using DLAA

[restive coyote]

it's DLSS without the good part, which is helping with performance
DLAA = quality at the cost of performace
DLSS = performance at the cost of quality
I use DLSS sometimes when I want to squeeze a few more frames in
but otherwise it's not really needed, especially when you're talking about majority of the playerbase

[random prism]

I use DLSS on balanced to make my laptop run cooler, given that I'll be replacing it within the year.

It's getting old.

But I can run at native at the same frames just fine, just gets a lil warm.

[young sun]

yes, DLAA is basically DLSS running on native resolution

[restive coyote]

one of the better use cases for DLSS, one of the main things it was designed for

[solid fable]

if it's trivial to implement, i think it's good as an option for people who want it was my point, but again, i'm not that technically minded

[young sun]

I'm playing on 1080p anyway and have extra frames to spare

[silk pecan]

Im looking for knotwood but keep getting the whisprig

[young sun]

might as well bump up the quality

[heavy spruce]

if your using nvidia i suggest using ALT+R to show gpu usage etc

[restive coyote]

then why in the world are you concerned with DLAA?

[young sun]

I just like the quality of dlaa compared to regular aa tech

[restive coyote]

DLAA doesn't even matter until you're at least 1440p+

it's like hardly noticeble, if at all in 9/10 games

[solid fable]

i don't know about DLAA, but i play at 2560x1080, and i play with anti-aliasing off because none of the AA options look great to me, personally

[young sun]

well I'm a type of guy who maximize graphics settings at the cost of performance

except pathtracing

[solid fable]

if DLAA is an AA solution that looks better and basically works the same as DLSS when it comes to implementation, i don't see the harm in making the option available 🥹

[young sun]

it's too expensive

[plain totem]

is there a help channel?

[solid fable]

it depends what you need help with, i think
you can usually ask questions in this channel or the gameplay one, or check the q&a section: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224932323721296

[plain totem]

i just nees basic help on how to read stats i have no idea what im looking at here, its been a min since ive played

[young sun]

I have plenty of knotwood but is severely lacking in sappheline. man, I hope we can trade resources

[plain totem]

why does it say zero?

[silk pecan]

Where do u get em

[spice walrus]

I could be mistaken, but I believe that the Virtue Requirement is the minimum you need to activate scaling. Those pips/icons you see are the amount of scaling that applies to each resistance. So you have (0) added bonus because the scaling isn't activated.

[solid fable]

you need to reach the 19 spirit threshold for the bonuses to take effect, i believe, and you currently have 7

[plain totem]

oh idk how to activate them

[young sun]

crates, chests, and balloons

[spice walrus]

You'll want to look at your Virtue Prism, those control your stat distribution. EDIT: You could also wear an amulet that gives you a stat you need.

[silk pecan]

[young sun]

just break every box you see like a madman

[silk pecan]

I see

Will do it then

[young sun]

and barrels

[nova spade]

Those defensive values scale off of your stats, in this case Spirit

[solid fable]

i'm pretty bad at stats and things myself, i usually just guess instead of reading in-game information

[plain totem]

so i shouldnt wear this armor?

[spice walrus]

Unless you're building for Spirit, probably not.

[nova spade]

Wear an armor that scale off the virtue you are on

Lemme show you

These are the virtues, how much you have of each stat depends on which Prism you have on

For example here, my helm is giving me stats because it scales of the courage stat (the red sun)

[mossy valley]

Do all pacts have the same total of points to put into their trees?

[random prism]

Yeh, except for wyld ones cus they stack with the original.

For a total of 60 for both wyld and original.

[mossy valley]

No wonder my Wyld tethren started at 30

[random prism]

And they are otherwise identical. Wyld ones used to have a bonus but that was removed with the new virtue system.

[mossy valley]

ah, ok great so I can use my original tethren for fashion reasons

[random prism]

Yeah. There's some fancier sfx on the wyld arcanics and spirit vision but that's it.

It's just a bit shinier, sometimes a lil more detail.

[mossy valley]

lol I didn't notice

no biggie

[random prism]

Mmm tasty.

[young sun]

strange. I'm able to buy wyld pack one by one but can't buy the paragon pack...

[random prism]

Man I do love the side profile this mask has.

Such a beautiful smile, the friendliest smile.

[fast jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-all-mad-here-gif-3539459523841181573

[fast jasper]

at first, I thought it was one of the masks the children make for the operator on Eidolon

[valid veldt]

hi, everyone

[fast jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[raw whale]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[wheat rock]

oi, whens the next devstream? is it today?

[solid fable]

the next envoy hour is in about half a day, i think

the next devstream i don't think we have a specific date for yet, but if you're wanting to get an invite, you can earn one from this stream: https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[wheat rock]

oh yes so its envoy hour today i was rememberin correctly

nice thank you

[mossy valley]

is envoy hour the equivalent to warframes prime time

[solid fable]

something like that

it's basically a more casual stream with sarah and a staff member

[mossy valley]

Sounds like a good time, a prime time if you will

radical

[cosmic tundra]

[indigo plinth]

Bruh. I just got 1 shotted with full grace build on Cogah. Reason was my keyboard and mouse coincidentally ran out of power as I was dodging like a pro.

[mossy valley]

New Ode'n strat: disable your controller

[indigo plinth]

the game hasn't been updated for so long, Ode'n army now attacks your keyboard and mouse

[south stone]

what do you guys think about slapjaw making tracks for boss fights

[outer bay]

yoo

[sterile wraith]

Flinglebert When?

[quartz granite]

Anyone knows why my friend cannot join my session but I can join his? He's a new player and every time he tries to join my session it says "failed to join session" but i can join his every time

[simple mason]

Has he finished the opening quest and if so relogged since?

[quartz granite]

hmm, i will check if it's that

[quartz granite]

he has all quests completed but still cant join me

[simple mason]

Very strange, best if he makes a support ticket then

https://support.soulframe.com/

[quartz granite]

he joined another players right now but cant join mine

guess i will have to send a ticket

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day Envoys, Founders, Paragons and Stevens.

[solid fable]

happy tuesday 🥳

[dapper gorge]

I had yesterday off for some appointments, which makes today feel like a monday

Confuses my simple envoy mind.

[spiral crag]

Was it stated somewhere if preludes 15 will have a new story quest or pact or it will be just reworks of some systems?

[drifting kelp]

hey 😄 Can't wait for this game ❤️ i Love it.

[simple mason]

The tagline for P15 is "Systyms" and there's no info on a Fable so I assume it'll be more under the hood changes

[spiral crag]

its probably for the best for them to fix the supplementary systems before working on new story content

im leveling up the stuff i missed so its good to know i still have some time before the new stuff drops

[zinc forge]

if i remember correctly they are working on how drops work

[spiral crag]

what do you mean my 85 fragments of a weapon i already own are not balanced?

i hope we have some way to at least clean up our inventories of some stuff

everything gives fragments of the starter gear so frequently its crazy

[zinc forge]

my 400 vasp fragments agree

[spiral crag]

enough gear to open our own blacksmith forge and rival Tuvalkane

also new seasonal event it seems

[hybrid pasture]

is it just me or sometimes an archer will just, know where you are and keep firing even behind walls, mountains or castle

[mild schooner]

when they gonna stream today?

[zinc forge]

in 7 hours

[mild schooner]

thx

[soft lintel]

Hey guys, where do you find the change gender option? I've finished every jorunal entry and quest fully and the witch doesn't have a menu option.

[solid fable]

if you click on "Appearance", it should be the icon next to the skin tone selector

[steady wyvern]

-# psst! big legs!

leveling weapons is taking a while

[white otter]

Ignore time spent, commit vibes and brainless adventuring with no destination

[dapper gorge]

Imagine having a destination

My biggest complaint? Tales yell at me if I get distracted and stray too far

Let me get distracted!

[soft lintel]

There's nothing there for me atm. I'll submit a bug report.

[solid fable]

do you see this button in that menu?

sorry, that's a little unclear...

[soft lintel]

No it's ok you're fine, and yeah there's just nothing there for me. Seems to show up for my friends. Guessing it's just a weird progression bug. It's not a big issue and I'll just see if it shows up later.

Ty for the pic btw I'll save that as a reference.

[wanton jungle]

fellas, Im still having issues regarding melee throw

[sturdy geyser]

what is it

check ur keybinds

[desert shore]

The normal binding is block and middle mouse button

[south gyro]

Is there someone that can help me out? im doing the Oblivio mission and need to find motes, but i only found one and i have been search for like 2 hours

[zinc forge]

you can only find a limited number every time you go there, if you relog or go far away and come back later, they have a chance of being there again

the easiest thing to do is just relog a few times untill you have all of them

[south gyro]

Yeah ive been doing that for over 2 hours 😛 but still nothing, and its an Orlicks mission so cant continue

[zinc forge]

not sure then, as far as i know its not bugged

not a common one anyway

[wanton jungle]

it aint working for me

[red axle]

chest hair

[wanton jungle]

I am using the starter sword for melee class

[desert shore]

Next question. Do you have it leveled up to be able to throw

[wanton jungle]

I think so?

[wanton jungle]

here u mean?

[desert shore]

Yes

[wanton jungle]

which ones should I level up?

[white otter]

The ones you think will be most useful for you

[wanton jungle]

bruh just tell me which one throws the sword XDD

[white otter]

You dont need a combat art to have the ability to throw it

[vocal sky]

aim/block + heavy attack throws the weapon

[white otter]

Or if you have a certain accessibility setting on, it can also be block+light attack *except for sword&shields

[solid fable]

if possible, can you share what you see in the key bindings for "melee throw / recall" and "block"?

[oblique pawn]

When you approach the location, do any little black creatures appear next to the name?

Little soot balls with eyes

[grave granite]

yeah what's up with that?

[oblique pawn]

Those are Motes. They indicate how many Histories have spawned at a location to be collected

[grave granite]

I sometimes wish this game was more explicit lmao

ty for the info

[wanton jungle]

Thats literally my keybind lol. Just for melee throw is Mouse button 3

It's default keys

[oblique pawn]

Hm, so block and heavy attack isn't throwing...do you have any keybinds you might have changed to be Mouse Button 3?

If there's a keybind conflict it can override one of them

[solid fable]

i suggest setting it to a couple keys you don't use like this, and test it outside the nightfold

sometimes mouse button shenanigans happen

if that still doesn't work, i would try deleting your EE.cfg file as a last resort (after backing it up if you want to)

[crisp knot]

Howdy

[white otter]

Aloo

[dusty whale]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[pliant lintel]

wait, we can have a dedicated throw button????

[solid fable]

no, i think it's just mislabelled

it really just refers to the "heavy attack"

[pliant lintel]

ah, make sense, likely built from the old warframe melee setup, whith heavy being hold and the likes

[radiant beacon]

Dream QOL change

[pliant lintel]

nah, havign a fast travel from the arsenal to verminia and the oposite would be

like, i love having a dedicated color menue, it feels good, but having to manually go back and forth is a massive pain, especially when switching pact and the color map doesn't overlap well

like, technicly the best would be to copy WF and have everything in the same menu, but i'll take the little 2 second extra for the flavor

[twin yew]

is our right arm just a normal arm and we just put gloves on it for fun

[white otter]

Normal but blue

[twin yew]

i assumed it was like magical and stuff

[white otter]

Well i mean it is a magical arm

[twin yew]

don't think those fingers are blue

[white otter]

DE pls...

Consistency pls ok thx

they should be blue...

[twin yew]

oh is it an oversight

[pliant lintel]

that is jsut some relics of previous directions that jsut didn't get updated

[twin yew]

nah it's the NEW oscelda specifically

[white otter]

Yes

[twin yew]

old oscelda had the blue arm

[white otter]

Our own arm is completely blue

[pliant lintel]

for obvious reason of "it's an alpha, getting to feature complete status is more important that coloring fingers for now"

[twin yew]

but like they DID update oscelda

it's like this after a visual update

[white otter]

So unless we have temporary prosthetic fingers for wyld oscelda specifically, idk

[twin yew]

people who color fingers and people responsible for bringing the in game systems to a feature complete status are also different in DE i'm sure

[white otter]

If the wyld one is what you meant by new that is

[twin yew]

nah this is normal oscelda

i mean new oscelda as in the new model we have right now

[white otter]

[twin yew]

the one that's green now

by default

[pliant lintel]

that's jsut a recolor from the ancient tho, not a new model

[white otter]

[plush rose]

oscelda healed the blue out of it :3

[surreal basalt]

Our arm as a baby

[muted owl]

Good time of day y’all.

[twin yew]

sure enough blue fingers

[plush rose]

we discussing

[pliant lintel]

uh, i guess they did an oopsie when updating the model

[muted owl]

Hm arms? I’m just grateful we didn’t come out of our mothers wearing ode tempest (if that was our original chosen pact, which mine definitely was not)

[plush rose]

that reminds me

i need to lvl the heck out of weapons

[pliant lintel]

tho it seem to be more of a bug that our arm isn't blue anymore

[muted owl]

Worth reporting (if it hasn’t been)

Continuity errors are still errors.

[pliant lintel]

well, RE-reporting in this case

i'm on it

[pearl beacon]

Yeah it's just a very old oversight, it's been there for a looong while now

[pliant lintel]

I feel that it might be because our right arm, in the code, isn't actually blue.

[muted owl]

I’d steer clear of poking into the code conversations.

[twin yew]

huh when did they update oscelda

i thought it was recent

[pliant lintel]

yeah, while i jsut speculate for fun, i do know some people would probably start thinking it's true

[twin yew]

would be weird if it's not blue on the actual model

[pearl beacon]

Preludes 9 was when Fey was split into Tethren, Sirin and Oscelda - I don't think the arm's been updated since then, as this is from the P9 patchnotes:

[twin yew]

i'd think all pacts are just separate models

it was blue though

[pearl beacon]

Oh wow! The patchnotes had a different version from the game then hahaha

[twin yew]

you can see the finger here being a bit weird, this might not have been the final build

[pearl beacon]

not unheard of though, I remember the Thawtide patchnotes had an entirely separate description for Rostrum vs the in-game one

[twin yew]

nightmare fuel finger ngl

oh is it 2 fingers actually?

[pearl beacon]

naaah they're just doing the wizard point™

[twin yew]

lmao

[pearl beacon]

no just the index pointing out

[pliant lintel]

that's the thing, considering we never have our free arm, it's kinda not necessary to have it when you can jsut have it replaced by our pact. that way you don't have to actually worry about clipping and the likes. tho, for those reading it, it's jsut a general thing you can do, it's nto me saying that's what's actually happening

[twin yew]

you can see the normal blue arm in cutscenes

[pearl beacon]

True yeah you see your raw arm whenever you make a pact at the end of a fable!

Oh actually, you don't always

so thats interesting, I wonder which ones do and don't do that lmao

[pliant lintel]

you can load the two and fade the primary one out. it's actually not hard to achieve. tho, again, i'm jsut saying that's oen way to do it, not that it's how DE does it

tho now i need to do something that will cause my pact to fade out to see if oscelda's finger also change color

but yeah, i'm jsut saying that because "model replacement" is kinda common in games. it's why you often see bugs where removing/switching clothes makes your torse disapear for example.

tho someting this whole convo is making me notice is how our armreally stops cleanly st our shoulder and isn't reaching furether onto our chest

[pearl beacon]

Omg yeah I'm glad you mentioned this, it's such an interesting part of the design! Like forgetting gameplay/modelling purposes etc, just the way that the Fey part feels almost like a direct, clean cut - rather than something that's grown or spread into the flesh. Idk, that part of it makes me really interested to see what the whole origin of Envoys as a concept was like

[pliant lintel]

super obvious with sirin

[pliant lintel]

iirc, they mentionned that our arm started eesentially as a "stub" what we would slot in pacts

[spiral crag]

that would imply that all pact arms are technically not made of flesh, but mechanical or some biomechanical fey thing

for some its easy like the giant oven mitt but for the starter ones its pure flesh

[stable pine]

ive only played soulframe a little bit so far but I do think warframe's UI is just superior in most aspects

[spiral crag]

the wylds seem to be made of wood

[pliant lintel]

nah, now they are jsut sleeves

[stable pine]

the arsenal especially was very confusing in soulframe

[spiral crag]

if they ever make a quest where you lose your powers at some point it will probably show how the arm exactly works

[pliant lintel]

oh, i guess nevermind for the arm going ferether in our body, it seem to have always been this "clean cut"

[spiral crag]

the corrupted one will need some explaining to do if that is the case

[stable pine]

im sure they will, too

DE loves nerfing us as plot element (not that I'm complaining)

[spiral crag]

it will be very freaky if they pop out your arm mid quest like youre a plastic doll

[pliant lintel]

not really, this is jsut concept art, it will probably not cause holes in the future or something

[stable pine]

that inquisitor from the beginning just rips your arm off and throws it

[spiral crag]

they are probably avoiding the mechanical arm thing because a lot of games do that nowadays

[pliant lintel]

it really grinds my GEARS, my metal gears

https://klipy.com/gifs/metal-gear-10--k01KREJB8HYYY9FRBG1HAVH10DN

[spiral crag]

its gonna be horrible to have your arm changed, you will also feel the PAIN, like a PHANTOM limb

[pliant lintel]

but yeah, now it's official that our pacts are jsut sleeves

as shown here

[spiral crag]

they can still add the extra parts on pacts but they have to respect the geometry of the OG arm

[spiral crag]

even this one, if you adapt it to be bones over the mesh of the arm like a decoration you can still pull it off

it will look a lot bulkier tho

and theyre probably gonna avoid making the arms too long for

[pliant lintel]

i mean, that's what we all kinda expect for that one corrupted design, it's jsut gonna me a layer on top

[spiral crag]

The implications.

[spiral crag]

i wonder what kind of omen beast will be associated with it

or oden patron of corruption

maybe the crow pact that steve craves so

[pliant lintel]

that's jsut going to be a mendicant pact i think

[mossy valley]

how do I know which weapons Ive previously mastered?

[pliant lintel]

you remember, sadly

[pearl beacon]

You can with LG (Little Genius), but it's just whether you personally want to use a community app vs doing your own manual notes etc

[mossy valley]

is it able to retroactively find out?

because thats what I really need

[pearl beacon]

DE have said that they will eventually add a profile interface to the game, similar to warframe's, so it'll come some day

[pliant lintel]

me i just so the WF classic of jsut never selling anything. if it's lvl 30, i mastered it

[pearl beacon]

hehehe same every new weapon that comes out in SF I'm just buying a slot 😅

[mossy valley]

Im going to just assume that anything with a joinery was previously mastered

[spiral crag]

ive been doing that but i realized that i will need a lot more slots than i have (but i probably will need to buy them anyways)

its not like theyre not gonna add 500+ weapons to the game eventually

[pliant lintel]

for SF it weem to also be a good call, as for WF you usually do it for crafting reasons, but for sf, they seem to be aiming for an actual "every weapon will be valid to sue" type of deal, thansk to having us actually scale this time

[spiral crag]

WF has a lot of "Band aid Systems" to make all weapons usable in the end game, it seems like theyre gonna build a strong core system with SF before adding too much

Incarnons and rivens are the most obvious ones

[stable pine]

yeah, tbf it also came with the fact that warframe got insane power creep and the identity of the game changed as the years went by

[pliant lintel]

well, so far i'm seeing that a lot of design decisions are made to basicly not become warframe.

[stable pine]

warframe was a way slower and more tactical/strategic shooter, now it's more of a horde shooter

back in my day team composition actually mattered 🧓

[spiral crag]

i got in the Titania update and it was a MUCH slower game back then, even more so before that

[pearl beacon]

It was so good, it was like the Mass Effect 3 co-op mode, I used to love that

[pliant lintel]

it was a horde shooter way before, now it's more like a wierdly handled musou with horrid balance

[stable pine]

i remember when warframe still used bioshock assets 🧓

[stable pine]

disagree

[pearl beacon]

In fact the whole reason I got into Warframe back in 2013 was a PCGamer article that specifically likened it to ME3 co-op but as a live service! Man, good times

[stable pine]

it didnt used to be a horde shooter at all

it is now, though i would also argue warframe's balance isn't that bad

[pearl beacon]

Yeah it was a neat cover shooter with stealth and stamina-based parkour

[stable pine]

90% of things are usable in all but the highest difficulties

[pliant lintel]

at first, but when i joined in 2016? it was jsut that. a calmer one, but still very much in the same vein as like, cod zombie

[pearl beacon]

I think hordes started like 3ish yrs later, give or take

[stable pine]

in all fairness as the lore of the warframes evolved i think the game's new identity fits them narratively better

[pearl beacon]

Yeah you joined after it became hordes that makes sense, before that it was more cover shooter / stealth

[stable pine]

they're canonically supercharged weapons of mass destruction and they def didn't feel like it originally, gameplay wise

[stable pine]

we're talking early 2010s

like 2013-2015ish

[spiral crag]

Soulframe cant have that level of powercreep, or it will destroy the whole nature of the game being a calmer experience

[stable pine]

i wouldnt say "calmer" is the right word

the difficulty and challenge in the combat just comes from a different place

[pliant lintel]

yeah, warframe has had 3 era basicly. "tactial esque for like 2 years, then horde shooter, and since SP came in and the devs essentially bandaged around the survivability problem, it's morphing into a musou type of thing, but still not fully

[spiral crag]

its calmer in the sense of the atmosphere of the game, you run around natural enviroments and wants to "Harness the power of the nature"

warframe youre a golden war machine mowing down enemies and shooting your way through reality

[pliant lintel]

and this is why i'm a big advocate for content scaling. that way you can direct the powercreep into being harmless while preserving your content

[pearl beacon]

A more focused experience I think

You have to actually look at your enemies as you duel them, look at your environment as you explore it

[spiral crag]

in SF you are the underdog in a invasion, and that cant change too fast for the long run

you will get stronger, but the enemy needs to be a bigger threat than you narratively

[pliant lintel]

like the game that this one is emulating, Ghost of tsushima

[spiral crag]

Pretty much yeah, in a lot of games you need to feel like youre just someone making a difference in the world anyway you can, not some chosen one hyperpowerful protagonist

[pliant lintel]

but yeah, to come back to sf, i knwo that laready, the devs have implemented systems they can sue to avoid the fate of the other game

[spiral crag]

especially with the thematic of learning to find your roots among the rampant destruction of your ancestry

[stable pine]

Focused is a good word ye

[pliant lintel]

and well, we kinda are some chosen one, this is still a power fantasy, but like textbook definition, not the WF'S community definition of power fantasy

[spiral crag]

yes, its a controled one

[pliant lintel]

but we are not some demi god

we are jsut Like Jin sakai, 5v1 is a fair game for us

we are 1:1 with bosses

[spiral crag]

were just a little fella with a glowing arm that still will stop to free bunnies from cages and hug them

[pliant lintel]

yeah, the more we're talking, the more i feel having some form of scaling around us will be inevitable, if not already planned.

like, it would kinda make the whole feel fall flat if we can jsut get enough virtue points to suddently wipe the floor of some zones

[spiral crag]

it needs for the powerfantasy to land, we will eventually feel a lot powerful and that will reflect in the story

but it needs to be controlled, and i think theyre already doing that

even tho a lot of narrative decisions are still being changed

[pliant lintel]

yeah, the way virtues and prisms are working rn, they kinda have the perfect tools to make equalized multiplayer (which is a no brainer), but also have a guideline for how to scale up content or scale us down to it

[spiral crag]

if they nail the virtue system they will just need to rebalance around it in the future, not make band aids or gut system to make the game more engaging

[wanton jungle]

Verminia is hot

[pliant lintel]

i mean, they kinda nailed the core function atm, total virtue points can work as a perfect analog to a character level. it's sjut the point aquisition that need some deep changing, but kinda moreso for the flow of progression

but yeah, for the scaling i wonder if they are going to do it the GW2 way (player ajusted to content) or the Nioh 2 way (content ajusted to player)

[spiral crag]

i imagine Nioh 2 because players from online games usually dont like any changes that makes them feel like they have less power for balance, warframe had a lot of cases that showed that

[hollow echo]

Didnt have time to play for a while, came back now, new car smell again but runes work differently now?

[spiral crag]

They reworked them but they will have a new pass in the next update, probably more changes and rebalances

[hollow echo]

Im ok with the change, just not sure WHAT the full change context is 🤣

Just noticed the little lines dividng the meter around the circle thing

[oblique pawn]

Runes gain charges on smite now, you use a rune charge by holding Soul Sight and pressing Heavy Attack, most runes are now big one off attacks

[hollow echo]

ok, no more spam festival for 10 seconds

we gone from mystical Chinese kung fu fire sword combo to tennokai-soulframe edition

[hushed rampart]

aw yeah

[fast crescent]

Eastern times

[pliant lintel]

tbh, both are kind of on the table. nioh is nice to keep things to your level, but has one issue with how the game curently work, and it's that you could potentially cheese stuff by making things spawn in "lower levels" then switching into a higher level setup to bulldoze through. the GW method would fit better there because it will prevent that, but then it becomes tricky due to the size of the map not leaving much room for different zone or jsut transition points.

but we'll see where things go

[white otter]

For once i wont miss either devstream because of work

[pliant lintel]

one thing for sure tho, having some scaling down happen in MP to avoid huge team power disparity is pretty much unavoidable

[pliant lintel]

good, was wondering when they would announce it. p15 is gonna drop in june and they would not jsut drop all the changes whithout presenting them son stream

[frosty ore]

envoy hour is in t minus 2 hours lads.
tune in if you dont have a code already to get one from the stream
-# if you miss out I will laugh and make fun of you.

[pliant lintel]

bro forgot timezones exist

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-funny-bat-ready-to-fight-gif-12585540

(just add two hours to your current time -.-)

[oblique pawn]

Did they confirm June for p15?

Thought it was just "gonna try for before Tennocon"

[pliant lintel]

opposite solar, not everyone is able to watch a stream at that ime

[pliant lintel]

i think they confirmed before tennocon, so most liskly june

[zinc forge]

i think they said around tennocon even

[oblique pawn]

Imagine they drop p15 May 28th

[pliant lintel]

which make sense considering they don't want to have some carry over from the update that isn'T already out

[oblique pawn]

But yeah June seems likely

[pliant lintel]

i wish, but it's unlikely, considering they would want to explain the new systems to avoid people panicking

especially that randomized quirk system that got telephoned into people thinking some weapons will have random stats like in diablo

[oblique pawn]

They just said "random rolls" and mentioned Qualities and Quirks

Personally read that as a RNG perk system

Like Destiny

[pliant lintel]

exactly. essentially a built in totem effect

or something int he same vein

[oblique pawn]

Tbh the problem with it so far is all the assumptions

Personally assuming it will be a perk system

Others are assuming it will be random stats

But it's all assumptions

[pliant lintel]

yup. personally i looked back at the studio history and remembered that the system already got tested before inwf's railjack, with components having their quality and quirks

the stats are more than likely jsut gonna remain untouched, they would jsut have an extra quirk

[oblique pawn]

Still assuming though

[pliant lintel]

yup

[oblique pawn]

They haven't said it will be perk based

Guess we'll find out in 3 weeks!

[desert shore]

Me too!

[pliant lintel]

me i'm not panicking. i know the devs would not try to make something that risk ruining the game

[desert shore]

Destiny vibe that is

[oblique pawn]

Eh. They would imo absolutely risk it, but they'd respond to feedback and make needed changes if they did.

[slow acorn]

yall hot & bothered

me: im just sitting over here sipping on my gin & juice laid back

[desert shore]

They are 100% able to take risks. It’s pre alpha. Now is the risk taking time

[slow acorn]

I don't get to high or to low

[abstract cove]

p14.5 "today"

[merry ore]

Ayo

[hushed rampart]

watching the dev short

[slow acorn]

oooo link plz

[hushed rampart]

steve got me excited

[quick thicket]

sorry what

[oblique pawn]

But yeah could see like a quality that increases damage by 10% but reduced attack speed by 10% kinda stuff.

[merry ore]

Same. Was just poking in here to see if anyone was gonna say anything lmao

[slow acorn]

for dev short

[pliant lintel]

tho, we can kinda assume that it won't be rng raw stats, as we know how they manage rivens, and how taxing it is for them.

[oblique pawn]

Anything about what

[oblique pawn]

What did he say?

[pliant lintel]

i wish we has SF devshorts

[limpid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/taser-cat-taser-cat-gif-13158822872232266472

[hoary glen]

P14.5 ?

Peak?

[halcyon ferry]

He mentioned in the warframe devshort that a p14.5 is getting shadow dropped today

[slow acorn]

can some one plz post the link for the dev short

[pliant lintel]

like, jsut every two weeks, jsut to give us some updates

[halcyon ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/live/i6Smpl0uQ-g?si=EPPM53jQ7pYHnZ7j

[slow acorn]

THANK YOIU

[hushed rampart]

what bromiuss said

[pliant lintel]

ooooouuuuuuh

and that explain why we didn'T get a hotfix in more than a week XD

[oblique pawn]

Hype! Any hints what's in it?

Will it be an Envoy Arsenal?

[halcyon ferry]

Nope we just know it’s happening

[oblique pawn]

Bromius Hammer maybe?

Hm. Exciting!

[pliant lintel]

probably more like mora's hand fix and rune keybind

[abstract cove]

reb going to raid soulframe even though envoy hour is still 2 hours away

[slow acorn]

ahahah this is effing great

[oblique pawn]

That feels like it would be a normal hotfix, Kay

[slow acorn]

Lightning Gun in UT

[white ginkgo]

Woah

[slow acorn]

I remember that

[pliant lintel]

ok, then

[hoary glen]

Soulframe stream ?

[white ginkgo]

Surprise updates? In this day and age?

[jolly lake]

https://www.twitch.tv/playsoulframe

[pliant lintel]

turret jotar siege

[jolly lake]

Live

[frosty ore]

uh oh

[oblique pawn]

PLAYSOULFRAME IS LIVE????

[white ginkgo]

Yes

[frosty ore]

not again!

[jolly lake]

[marsh berry]

cmon juicy 14.5

[hoary glen]

Llsssgooo

[jolly lake]

[pliant lintel]

OH DAMN OK

[abstract cove]

ode infamy update maybe

[white ginkgo]

Oh I thought you all were already talking about it but thats the devshort linked above

[pliant lintel]

ENVOY FORGE!!!

[distant bane]

hi everyone go say hi to steve and sarah

[white ginkgo]

Just in time for my finals to finish. Love you DE

[abstract cove]

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11458-soulframe-preludes-145-oden-tempers/

[oblique pawn]

Hop on soulfstream?

[jolly lake]

Bonk stick, let's go.

[abstract cove]

2h mace

[halcyon ferry]

omg yes

[jolly lake]

[dapper gorge]

Impromptu streams while I'm in the office? Rude

[abstract cove]

virtue sliders

[obsidian mauve]

Does dodge not have its own key??? Just roll doesn’t do anything…

[random prism]

We now have to use a consumable to reassign virtues?

[white ginkgo]

It was planned. They're trying to hide it from you

[obsidian mauve]

Wait I might be stupid

[pliant lintel]

ok, prismsn are gone again i guess

[obsidian mauve]

Rip prisms

[random prism]

Replaced by a consumable that allows you to change virtue sliders, yeah.

So that'll need to be farmed.

[dapper gorge]

Wat

[abstract cove]

we can swim now 👁️

[pliant lintel]

i guess they arwe still half there

[obsidian mauve]

I was uh. Trying to dodge in nightfold. Issue solved!

[abstract cove]

who will be the first to swim to cassia

and not the nw island

[jolly lake]

Points of Interests, yes. Remember to clear them for your~~ samples~~ resources.

[slow acorn]

PLEASE STRONGLY CONSIDER HAVING GIFTING THE PARAGON & OTHER PACKS FROM SOUL FRAME . COM POSSIBLE BUY IT VIA PAYPAL & THEN SEND CODE VIA EMAIL!

to my friends

[dapper gorge]

Whoa

[slow acorn]

it's been long enough it is long over due

[dapper gorge]

Caps lock scares me

[slow acorn]

trying 2 get my point across

anywhoo back to the stream

[dapper gorge]

Backfired, too afraid to read it

[random prism]

Storage is now universal and armor is included in it, oof.

Time to start selling off armor I guess, I do hope that those bestitched remain as usable appearances.

[oblique pawn]

Mace weapon drops pre built and has random perks, neat

[dim wave]

they changed prisms again!

[merry ore]

Virtue prisms are gone(?)

[dapper gorge]

Bai prisms, you'll be missed by a few people

[merry ore]

It's a slider now

[slow acorn]

hahahha courage build

[jolly lake]

Tweak your vitues now activates dance, dance revolution, got it.

[abstract cove]

buying more weapon/pact slots is now 150a (for 50 slots)

[dapper gorge]

We're getting DDR in game? Heckyeah

[slow acorn]

fact I can breakdance in RL

boooo

[somber bear]

oh well

[slow acorn]

I've said how old I am multiple times

[somber bear]

I am actually happy with the prism changes :)

[jolly lake]

Don't give out personal info please. Even age.

[slow acorn]

and where I live lol

[dim wave]

uhhh o do not like having a recource for my prism rebalance

[dim wave]

official channel

[jolly lake]

Well that's not good, chief.
And we don't allow it on this server.

[slow acorn]

I live where DE IS

all my life

same room/house

[pliant lintel]

oh damn, i was right on point with the built in totem effects as randow quirks

[slow acorn]

GO LONDON KNIGHTS GO!

[pearl beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cr1tikal-penguinz0--k01KREQ5KGNSDW4QEV5EQYT7ETS

[dapper gorge]

DE isn't in the UK

Stop tryina trick me

[slow acorn]

Ontario bro

[merry ore]

Looks very neat imo

[raw valley]

London, Canada?

[slow acorn]

YTES

trhis mod is crazy

[obtuse rampart]

yay more slots

[dapper gorge]

Ontario, UK? Never heard of it

[slow acorn]

no ONtario Cnaada

other mods have been fine with it

how do u think I am going to tenno con in perosn lol

it's a 5 minute drive from my house

[pliant lintel]

neat and also perfect for balance. like, you don't necessarly get that stronger from having those or not

[jolly lake]

If you have complaints about moderation, please dm modmail.

[slow acorn]

no complaints

I support DE cos I'm from the same town that's it

and I have friedns that work there

[jolly lake]

Yes, you've made that clear. Please stop now.

[slow acorn]

ok

I will

[sturdy geyser]

Are they pushing an update today?

[raw valley]

Wait until you hear about Paris, Texas. Or Cairo, Illinois.

[sturdy geyser]

Damn

[dapper gorge]

Are they?

[abstract cove]

"half an hour"

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah

[dapper gorge]

Guess I have something to look forward to when I get home

[fathom hemlock]

When you find a code in a gameinformer magazine and now its time to give it a try

[random prism]

I don't think it'll affect me but changing virtues now needing a consumable sounds a bit bothersome for some.

[random wing]

👋 I missed the stream a bit, r the maces kinda like borderlands/destiny kinda perks based?

[dapper gorge]

Don't need to replace if you only run pure spirit

[random prism]

Lol.

[merry ore]

Oh hey, the seperate keybinds are coming today too?

[pliant lintel]

I am flaber ghasted that we are getting this already

[slow acorn]

all good news so far I am hearing

[quiet swallow]

It really just depends on how often enemies drop them

[slow acorn]

well imo*

[abstract cove]

liths drop from siege of curlail and all of the bosses, plenty of spots

[keen rapids]

wheres the patch notes for this update? they said its live?

[random prism]

They're a siege reward.

From one particular siege apparently, so far.

[pliant lintel]

personally i'm kinda sad prisms are half going way, but hey, we'll see how the new system works. as long as things can still be balanced in the end

[paper cargo]

really dont understand why respeccing virtues needs to not be free? even if it's a super common resource still weird

[obtuse rampart]

that does sound like an awful change

[slow acorn]

ooooooooooo

[random prism]

Oh and Agari, sorry.

[slow acorn]

sick

[random prism]

Siege of Curlail and Agari.

[pearl beacon]

Other players!! Aaaah nice that's exciting

[remote glacier]

anyone can share some good strategy to beat mirifuir solo, especially the final phase

[quiet swallow]

Yeah overall making changing your build cost a material is cringe

[merry ore]

I won't be alone in midrath anymore 😭 ❤️

[random prism]

So virtues are less 'change whenever you want' and more 'adjust occasionally to your preference'.

[pearl beacon]

DE explicitly using the term 'MMO' moment

[random prism]

Not gonna be as swappable as the rest of your loadout.

[dapper gorge]

Depends on the build probably

[raw valley]

Other players? So far I've only seen other players in chat or that one cave. Never actually played with one.

[dapper gorge]

But in general, one of the bosses is a healer. Want to target him first

[remote glacier]

tried brute forcing it with a courage focused setup, end up dying a lot in the end

would probably try it again once I maxed oscelda

[merry ore]

Tenacity

[pliant lintel]

p15 latr in the moht????????????

[remote glacier]

what tenacity?

[merry ore]

As someone who did it once, and died probably 12 times.

[merry ore]

That's a good strategy: Tenacity

[grave granite]

wow trading later in the month

[narrow skiff]

Grofit

[dapper gorge]

Oscelda is good, drop a heal circle and beat up the healer.

Once that one goes, the others should be quicker

[remote glacier]

help me understand wym of tenacity

[quiet swallow]

Personally with oscellda you can freeze them in the final phase and rip up the healer sometimes before they get to do anything plus heals if you need it

[slow acorn]

ooooo ASHERONS CALL CALL OUT!

[merry ore]

Well for one, i'm joking, apologies.

By Tenacity I mean "Tenacity represents the quality of being very determined, persistent, and unwilling to give up, often characterized by stubbornness and grit in pursuing goals"

[remote glacier]

this is what I'm thinking

[dapper gorge]

Birds also helps get you easy stagger

[real pivot]

Hello all 👋

[remote glacier]

oh lol. I thought its some jargon on some specific builds in soulframe atm

[oblique pawn]

Interesting changes. Do like the new loot in concept, we'll see how it plays in game

[quiet swallow]

Birds also help keep one wizard semi outta the fight

[slow acorn]

SAMMMMMMMMM

[limpid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/developer-we-have-a-bug-gif-9159002844106963379

[oblique pawn]

Slot changes seems...like it will need to be communicated very carefully to new players

[frosty ore]

sam face reveal!

[merry ore]

No no, I was trying and failing to be funny haha

[oblique pawn]

...He was on envoy hour before

[pearl beacon]

My goodness

[dapper gorge]

O

[pearl beacon]

This is crazy whole thing just dropping outta nowhere DE really have been cooking

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[pliant lintel]

ah, you know no matter what they do there will be a ton of people somehow not getting it

[limpid ivy]

Idk it seems pretty standard, you just have one equipment inventory with 50 total slots

[remote glacier]

new patch?

[dapper gorge]

So I'm back to no arcs spent? Lulz

[merry ore]

We do be winning today

[pearl beacon]

yeah! https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11458-soulframe-preludes-145-oden-tempers/

[oblique pawn]

The Virtues update...not a fan. Get that some folks really disliked prisms but imo they were solid, better than this at least. Not really a fan.

[limpid ivy]

Might be more confusing to people coming from warframe than actual new players, or returning players

[remote glacier]

when's the release date?

[narrow skiff]

What would happen to all the weapon fragments in my inventory?

[dapper gorge]

Not sure I'm a fan either. Either go back to old system or expand prisms to have some impact

[merry ore]

anywhere from 1 to 30 minutes from now

[oblique pawn]

Later today