envoy-gathering

[young sun]

I touched too much grass I'm grinding rankings for avakot

[plush rose]

i need something to do, lvling weapons is not fun

nor lvling pacts i feel like shit

[young sun]

I personally like the leveling grind I haven't reforged my favorite weapons yet

it gives me reason to play

[hardy oyster]

Well, reforging no longer resets level so...

[frosty ore]

maybe a stretch but have you tried this

[hardy oyster]

Since hotfix 5

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[plush rose]

im still in second year of college man

got finals going on

[frosty ore]

hopefully the canvas hack didn't effect you too much.

[plush rose]

not even the same country

[frosty ore]

good.

[plush rose]

whole other continent

[frosty ore]

good good.

yea education here is abysmal at best

especially the rate at which people here with degrees getting into the positions they were specializing in.

I honestly feel bad.

[twilit marten]

My bachelor's of arts makes all the other tradesmen I work around very jealous /joke

[frosty ore]

gl with the ai art fanatics.

[plush rose]

its arts

can be acting no?

[twilit marten]

They're only a challenge to me philosophically. My majors were theater and English

[twilit marten]

Typically acting specially is a Bachelor's of Fine Arts but my theater program was generalist -- you didn't major in acting, even if you focused on that, and the credits required included things like tech, design, directing... You graduated knowing how the industry worked from every angle, even if only at a basic level

[frosty ore]

oh no...

An evil presence watches us...

[plush rose]

how do you do that man

[frosty ore]

magic.

[twilit marten]

` before and after the text, iirc

[plush rose]

markup stuff?

sfsasdasdasd

[plush rose]

teach me the ways master

[frosty ore]

gotta understand the power of using ``` and ``` and knowing the key phrases to be able to do the things i can do.

mastery grants you the ability to make

text like this

[stable pine]

it's just markdown

[frosty ore]

can do fun little things like this if you're advanced enough.

[silent rose] [kith of kings] [alca's children]

[plush rose]

hmmmmm

[frosty ore]

just gotta know how to do it.

[plush rose]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[stable pine]

you can specify a programming language when using the backticks

[plush rose]

that i do know

hmmmmm test 1

[frosty ore]

getting there.

first step

(we should really switch to soulframe talk tho)

dont wanna awaken The impending doom

[plush rose]

so the thing is touching grass is a difficult thing for us gamers

[frosty ore]

Soulframe talk: anyone think we'll be able to decorate our nightfold anytime soon™

[plush rose]

hmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/meme-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-gif-12132376810128560925

[stable pine]

 you do it like this

the 31 is a color code

it only works if you specify ANSI before the rest of the message

[plush rose]

hmmmm

[stable pine]

That little square is unicode (U+001B specifically)

[plush rose]

man i hate seeing ansi

[slow acorn]

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! (USA/CANADA)

[plush rose]

mada is oroud of you

[twilit marten]

...I don't want Mada to be proud of me 😨

[twilit marten]

Man I hope so. Then again that tent is the coziest space I've ever seen, real or virtual, and I don't know that I can improve on it

[pearl beacon]

real talk

[young sun]

how do you even lie down

[frosty ore]

+ it would be funny if updates were typed out like this because we have the almighty GREEN text wouldn't it?

[pearl beacon]

It's the wakeup animation from ending Cogah, or from one or two fable-related things (I think during Waste Bear it happens)

[young sun]

ah, I may have forgotten

[frosty ore]

time to run waste bear again!

[young sun]

and I haven't done a single cogah yet

[frosty ore]

first cogah, then wastebear.
(dont think you can do fables under the effects of cogah)

[mossy valley]

how do I know which weapon I have already mastered?

[frosty ore]

super useless fact: if all the air in the world was replaced with nitrogen then we wouldn't need casings to keep lightbulbs from instantly burning out.

[mossy valley]

ending of shewolf fable

[stable pine]

we also would all be dead

[snow spindle]

[slate sky]

yoo anyone have a friend code?

[frosty ore]

indeed.

[stable pine]

i wish lmao

[stable pine]

100% of people that breathe oxygen end up dying. Coincidence?

[slate sky]

Im new so... whats the deal with the game? When will it be available to everyone? Im trying to play

[stable pine]

It's available now to founders

You can also get keys from watching DE's soulframe streams or from someone with friend codes giving you one

not sure what the drop rates are for the stream keys, I haven't gotten one yet

[vague ridge]

How do I get access to Soulframe?
Sign up: Soulframe.com and be invited via the Wednesday giveaway (2k codes every week)
Purchase a Founder's Pack, which will give you spare codes for your friends.
Watch a dev stream or Envoy Hour via Twitch

On occasion, Envoys will share codes in ⁠the channels here, but we ask that you do not beg.
You can also check social media, Reddit, or streamers who may run giveaways.
Attention: Selling/buying of codes is a violation of Soulframe's Terms of Service. Do not engage with third-party trades.

[pearl beacon]

hmmm.... choices..

[frosty ore]

just ask each of them what color your shirt / armor is.
process of elimination

[surreal basalt]

Hah trick question all of them lie /j

[silk mason]

https://tenor.com/view/elder-scrolls-game-aura-knight-sit-gif-5481967566488926896

[analog plover]

holy, that is a beautiful frieren pfp

[frosty ore]

alright @crude sonnet you're up. have fun!

[crude sonnet]

up for what

oh

[frosty ore]

🍿

[analog plover]

the battle for who gets to be the Johnathan “Soulf” Soulframeson

[crude sonnet]

yo whats the best way to get moranite

[frosty ore]

fighting the sun, crypt. or you can buy it with kith standing

[crude sonnet]

sun??

[frosty ore]

sun 🙂

[crude sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-lore-radiance-meme-fight-gif-3730141336693630501

[sharp beacon]

oh crypt is the best?

[winged sphinx]

hello

[frosty ore]

i mean it's not guaranteed

with kith standing you just have to work for it

(I know some of you are afraid of work, just gotta deal with it)

[sharp beacon]

It spwans in every type of gold dungeon chest i thought you meant it was more common in crypt

[random prism]

Crypt has at minimum 2 openable sarcophagi that can drop moranite, sapheline, or quartz, and up to like 4 of whatever it chooses to drop, as well as being sweepable in like 30 seconds, making it the general best rare resource farm when you have the keys to open it.

Other than that, redeeming it from Kith if you feel like running votives for standing or have a stock of the redemption items to sell.

Which you will inevitably collect.

[frail lynx]

idk, i just open all the chests, never had problems with moranite

[pliant lintel]

you need keys for the crypt tho, and if you ahve someone needing moranite, they likely also don't have much keys

[frail lynx]

what's the kith rate? 4 per 5k?

[plush rose]

Crazy deduction

[frail lynx]

5k is 3 t3 votives, in 3 t3 votives you'd have like 15 chests to open

that's like 6 moranite minimum, can be more than 10

[sharp beacon]

I have everything in the game im just fresh out of moranite somehow and have like 50+ keys I didnt know the best way to farm ir

[pliant lintel]

i didn't know either

but how did you run out of moranite while you presumably started playing at a time that would let you stockpile keys?

[sharp beacon]

Ok so I took a break quite soon after p9 dropped, I had like 100 moranite from gath farming in p8 via glades tales, I have no idea how I have 53 keys but I have obtained that many since playing again from p12 till now

[ripe grotto]

Glad to see this bug hasn't been fixed yet 😂

[modern canopy]

Is circade supposed to automatically give pendant after defeat in front of a mural? Got the mural dialog but not the pendant expected

[sturdy geyser]

He should

[pliant lintel]

have you kille dhim in front of a different one?

[random prism]

I have over 700 crypt keys. For several preludes they just got vomited at you.

[pliant lintel]

they wanted us to test them

[frosty ore]

memerod when?

[modern canopy]

This was my first crypt run. Haven’t tried in front of other walls yet. Just blue.

[random prism]

You're supposed to get 1 of 3 pendants, collecting them all over several runs, wearing each and fighting the Circade in the plains once each, collecting 3 fragments, and then crafting those into the Triune talisman which is pretty much BiS.

If that is what you are referring to.

[modern canopy]

It is. Except I didn’t get the 1/3 I expected when killing him next to the blue mural. Nothing in inventory I can see for it. Maybe just need to come back and try again.

[random prism]

It should just be handed to you as something you can equip in your talisman slot.

If you killed him close enough that it started the little cutscene thingy with the lore dump.

[modern canopy]

That’s my understanding. Weird.

Ah. It only showed up in inventory after finishing. 🤔

[random prism]

Pre-alpha shenanigans, perhaps, I wouldn't even begin to know.

[sharp beacon]

Interesting I assume they only drop from the votives now?

[random prism]

That I have no clue, I know their spawns were cranked way down in some way but have also heard some state that they can still drop from heavy enemies.

So idk if their drop source changed or if their drop chance was just vastly lowered.

[sharp beacon]

Well Ive got enough for now I just need to finish the long mr grind

[dusty whale]

they should make a mom rod, for naughty envoy

[ripe grotto]

Nah, it's Mom who sends the Nimrod. Mamada 😛

[dusty whale]

oh yeah thats true

[whole fossil]

do you have an xp method? spending time to get the swamp tile set compared to just running around doing world trees is about all i got. also you have to use the weapon you want to level up. so you cant just farm high level enemies cuz you have to actually kill them unless you want to get them low than tap em with the low level weapon

[sharp beacon]

I use the glades arena method you can either use a 3rd party tool or figure out how to read the log yourself. https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1493747403424141402

glades arena is the fastest ive found there might be some niche method someone has found thats faster but i wouldnt know it

[whole fossil]

if i find the glades endless tile can i invite people while in the dungeon to help others out

[sharp beacon]

yes

ill help you out if youd like

[night girder]

against the rules to ask for codes here, there are a lot of ways to get codes pinned here

<@&1154466146741932193>

[jolly lake]

Please don't beg. See the pinned channel message.

[muted owl]

Damn every channel…

[latent rock]

Please don't beg. See the pinned channel message.

[frail pebble]

I can't believe they named themselves after their age wtf

[twilit marten]

Every channel? Classy.

[night girder]

probably a bot to get keys

[pliant lintel]

possible

[night girder]

or just someone very dumb

[verbal comet]

[pliant lintel]

yeah! and like, it's not as if you can't get a code from someone else here! just be friendly and talk around and someone may jsut help you out

but don'T start by begging, come on!

[night girder]

i received a dm from them lol

it looks so much like a bot

[night girder]

just like in warframe, everyone loves being generous but absolutely hates when someone starts begging, me too

[pliant lintel]

jsut be friendly and hyped and you get codes

[night girder]

when someone begs it just reminds me of this:

https://tenor.com/view/homero-laburo-gif-4746203129750948941

[pliant lintel]

if i get someone who is super hyped by the suns being sapphic, i'll throw a code no issue

[whole fossil]

bruh i joined a stack for the stag arena and the game lagged out

[frosty juniper]

Drip check!!

[twilit marten]

EXAMINING DRIP ...
...
...
DRIP EXAMINED.
CONCLUSION: 👌

[night girder]

why is your envoy mewing lol

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-mew-boeshi-sigma-looksmaxxing-gif-13581087363054242055

[frosty juniper]

https://giphy.com/gifs/george-sigma-shorch-mewing-georg-Nl3TNvZJb6t23J172M

[night girder]

fire drip nonetheless 🔥

[limpid ivy]

How much

[frosty juniper]

Only 99.99$

• Tax

[limpid ivy]

Damn all thrifted?

[frosty juniper]

Yes sirrr!!!

[limpid ivy]

W

[twilit marten]

Rocking that fit straight from Goode Wyll's 🔥

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-william-dafoe-drip-willem-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-24275742

[vestal crest]

hey all. dumb question. After you adda a joinery to lv 30 weap, does it reset to zero?

or did it reset because I switched to diff weap?

[pearl beacon]

Not anymore! This was removed recently

[pearl beacon]

The level of Weapon A should not have reset by switching to Weapon B

[vestal crest]

oh, mine still reset though? 🙁

[pearl beacon]

Hmm that's weird, this is the patchnotes from the removal of level resets from joineries

What weapon is it? Did it literally go from rank 30 to rank 0 after you used a joinery on it? Have you relogged to see if it was just a temporary/visual bug?

[night girder]

yeah that's weird

[vestal crest]

after I had to do the update, I switched weap and wanted to switch back, I noticed the staff went to zero

update was about a couple weeks ago

[pearl beacon]

Well the change was 11 days ago so

Did you use your joinery before the 29th April patchnote I just showed? #envoy-gathering message

[vestal crest]

I believe so...sorry, it's been a while since seeing the discord

[pearl beacon]

No prob! Yes it seems you used a joinery back when they reset weapon ranks, so it's normal that your staff reset to rank 0

that won't happen anymore in the future (unless DE reimplement the resets when they update joineries again)

[twilit marten]

Also inspired to do a drip check

[delicate garden]

hi

[frosty ore]

Shadow wolf has alerted the horde...

A horde of envoys are approaching from the north...

now look what you did.

[frosty juniper]

Kuva envoy

Oh no...I'm almost out of arcs @_@

[twilit marten]

My friends joke that I take all of my characters and dip them in a vat of Gamer Juice. I have a pretty fixed personal aesthetic.

If a game gives me the ability to make it black and also red, it's going to be black and also red

Give you three guesses what all my stuff in Warframe looks like lmao

[frosty ore]

you know who else is black and red?

[random prism]

My aesthetic is the friendliest friend.

That smile would never lie to you.

[frosty ore]

i know someone who said that before the great purge of [Redacted]. haven't heard from them since

[random prism]

My vibe tends to shift around sometimes cus I do weird stuff that not all games let me do.

In both MH Wilds and Nioh 3 I made my character a mime named Giggles.

Giggles was already taken here, much to my displeasure.

[rare socket]

yall ever noticed these sun and cross motifs on the mendicant enemies?

[random prism]

Especially since I checked who had it and they vanished years ago.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/papi-gif-8952263

[random prism]

But alas, that how it be sometimes.

[pearl beacon]

Yeah it's really cool you can see hints of who they once were. I just want to learn more about their past! What actually was the Fonnish Charge? What were the Mendicant King and his army all about? etc...

[ripe grotto]

That mask is so lovely ❤️

[rare socket]

dont think the march was against the cassids or ode

[random prism]

It was neither, both of those were different time periods.

That much is confirmed at least.

[rare socket]

yeah, the Charge was a some time between those two

[twilit marten]

Apparently the whole army died 'before drawing their swords' so I'm curious about THAT bit

[random prism]

Long-range bombardment of some sort I'm guessing, though it's still unprofessional to not have weapons drawn by the time you enter a battlefield, so they were nevertheless late on that.

You have weapons drawn before you even line up, you don't wait until you engage.

[rare socket]

also, where did they die exactly?
the King led em southwards, but that like half of midrath

[night girder]

damn, the story has so much...

[rare socket]

X is Fort Curlail, where king was before the charge

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/megumi-eating-megumieating-gif-26089636

[random prism]

Most common guess is Castle Kearnhold.

Given that's the only big target in that direction.

[rare socket]

makes me think of the Ode and Kearnhold
why were they trying to seige it and blow open the gates when they have air surperiority and could just land directly on top of the castle?

[random prism]

Approaching from the air in a large target against mages?

Asking to be shot out of the air. Soldiers are cheaper than airships.

And the Ode seem like they'd be into that kind of calculus.

[frosty ore]

i mean i have an idea of what went down.

considering the port town in the area at the time the charge may have taken place

[pearl beacon]

Great point especially as they do use that air superiority in this piece of concept art from long ago

[rare socket]

idk, only mage i've really seen is the Wazzard
also the midrathians kinda seemed against witches

[pearl beacon]

those sarcophagus-looking things descending from the sky are such a horrifying concept for midrathian peasants, I love it

[rare socket]

idk, why didn't they just do a bombing run by dropping Thunderstones from Collecters?

[frosty ore]

most midrath had for ranged combat was mainly bows and arrows. you're blessed to get anything else.

[pearl beacon]

We'll probably get more of an idea when these upcoming Dendrit Mages/outfits (second and fifth here) get added

[rare socket]

it would made sense to seige it from the ground if u *didn't *want to blast the castle into rubble tho, so idk.

[rare socket]

bows n arrows against magick metal flying machines that can shoot lightning

bit unfair innit TwT

[frosty ore]

i mean it's an alien race from space

it's a one sided unfair match no matter how you put it

[random prism]

I do still really like SF's pure fantasy vibes.

Hilarious that DE's sci-fi game has no aliens, but the fantasy game does.

[frosty ore]

[Message Redacted]

[ripe grotto]

That's DE for ya 😛

[pearl beacon]

honestly the Ode have been kind of... unsportsmanlike in this whole conquering business

[frosty ore]

tbf people irl are like that as well.

but that's a WAY different topic and rabbit hole

[rare socket]

this guy's fit basically screams Oro fanboy

[frosty ore]

but yea those with "superior" power and abilities are bound to downplay anything that is "beneath them".
doesn't matter what species they belong to either.

[random prism]

I'm still impressed that the Ode made a gunflail and thought to even add a trigger safety to it lmao.

Can't wait till we get that beautiful creation added.

[rare socket]

kinda wonder why the Ode are conquering alca
since soulfram's based on Princess Mononoke, i kinda expected them to be moreso an antagonistic force than just straight up villains

[twilit marten]

Well, I think the implication was that they didn't get to the battlefield. Like, the whole army died either very suddenly in an extremely effective ambush, or something like disease or attrition got to them.

[frosty ore]

idek tbh. maybe alca is just "in the route" to a bigger target for all we know.

rather concerning to think about, but that can wait for later

[twilit marten]

If we don't assume the Ode's interest is purely material, it's possible it's ideological. They may be on crusade to put the universe "in proper order" as it were.

[pearl beacon]

Man that's such a good point I love how Mononoke frames the whole ironworks people and the lepers and everything, gave them a very human side

[random prism]

Idk if we have confirmation about what it is or isn't based on for sure, but the Ode thus far are just expansionists and Alca has resources and a people who can't effectively resist them.

That's reason enough for them to stop by and start harvesting.

Have to fuel an empire somehow.

[pearl beacon]

It is confirmed to be based on inspired by Princess Mononoke alongside many other things

[rare socket]

im kinda getting tonfa/ spearguin vibes
how would u even hold it tho? TwT

[twilit marten]

There's text about how Ode religion/culture orbits around the idea that all things are bound to a given natural order -- their natural order, of course. Alca is a chaotic, messy backwater that they are 'helpfully' trying to 'civilize,' so to speak, by bringing the whole biosphere into "order"

[random prism]

I mean, both hands on the left side when swinging, reach a hand to grasp the... bump? Where the trigger is when firing.

So it's kind of like a derpy musket hold?

But you pull the trigger with the forward hand.

[frosty ore]

ngl sometimes I think that there's a island / land where the inhabitants are immune to the spellsong's effects and just hear it as really crappy music played on loop 24 / 7 lol.

[random prism]

Yeah, it's just a long gun hold, where one hand is like halfway down, but you're pulling the trigger with the forward hand instead of the back hand like normal.

Like how they shoot the funny staff blasters on star trek.

[frosty ore]

i mean gun staffs are a thing if you think about it.
they're called muskets.

[random prism]

That's why I compared it to a derpy musket grip first lol.

It's just the forward hand would be way farther down the barrel than normal.

And also be the hand you pull the trigger with.

[soft lintel]

Is this armour I can get in game?

[twilit marten]

(reiterating my demand to grant us muzzleloaders as long as Deora is tall)

[frosty ore]

soon™ child.

soon.

[pearl beacon]

It's upcoming content for a future update

[ripe grotto]

Well, it looks very semilar to the Wazzard Robes, but you can't get that exact outfit 🙂

[random prism]

How the heck ya gonna reach that muzzle lmao.

[twilit marten]

Sparrow can help.

[soft lintel]

I'm gonna get it as soon as it's out. I've been waiting for a good mage set.

[frosty ore]

maybe use their big legs for a height advantage.

idk.

[pearl beacon]

In the meantime, have you farmed this bad boy

[night girder]

🇴 🅾️ 🇳 ™

[ripe grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-sooning-soontm-midsizedonkey7-nowhere-gif-12050318

[twilit marten]

As a 14th C recreationist I am very jealous of Wazzard's Giant Bycocket

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/stealing-box-viralhog-raccoon-taking-food-box-thief-gif-24201637

mine.

[ripe grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-racoon-food-cat-food-steal-gif-3466529

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rat-yoink-vics-rat-vicrat-ratrat-gif-5527302079202505756

the rt is no more.

[heady plinth]

does pulling the chains with handlebars in rovgot ruins do anything special or nah

the ones hanging from the ceiling

[ripe grotto]

It lifts either a cage, a chest or a bell.. If it's a chest you can break it for some loot. Otherwise it does nothing

[heady plinth]

o ight

so its just random i see cuz the 2 i just pulled only had a cage and a bell

[white otter]

it is random yes

[rare socket]

I kinda some nuice vibe when the Torment Stag was shown off all that time ago, when Deora says "The Ode put fire in every hearth."
I kinda thought that, ok, the ode did invade alca and brainwash it's people, but also gave then a higher quality of life cuz of the Ode advanced tech

[frosty juniper]

got 1 fragment from each part of it :V

[rare socket]

But nuh TwT

[pearl beacon]

That's a great example, yeah it felt convincing but I guess in reality it's more just her spellsung view of things

[pallid gale]

higher quality of life, being made to breathe out of an oxygen mask because the new overlords said "hey, we don't want to wear our ode space helmets on ur planet... Sooo likkkkee, deforestation, K thx"

[twilit marten]

I think it's Orlick who has a line somewhere about how the spellsung think that they're all, and have always been, serfs working Ode'n lands. I imagine there's an element of induced 'grateful servitude' in them.

[rare socket]

Which is kinda a shame, cuz i could really see it be a part of the player envoys story.
They were a Midrathian kidnapped and conditioned by the ode, and then returned back to midrath
I would be really cool to see their two conflicting natures bounce off of each other something
Think of like the winter solder and how he was brainwashed and rejoined cap

[rare socket]

Well, that was waaaay before ichor or the organ was introduced TwT
Basically when Soulframe was first announced

[pallid gale]

Ichor was a big part for like, long time. The descrip has been in the game for like, over 2 years

I can't speak for December 2023, but I can for March 2024

Along with other elements and ETC.

[rare socket]

Yeah
I only thought of that when de showed off the torment stag quest itself at tennocon

[rare socket]

@pearl beacon whatca think?

[random prism]

I wouldn't start suggesting the main enemy be at all not evil, given the direction that could take.

The whole 'dog' interaction is at it is because people complained about an animal being an enemy.

When it could've easily been explained as an invasive, rabid attack beast native to the Ode's homeworld.

Nah, furred creature was enough to set people off, now we're never gonna have new beast enemies, cutting down variety.

If the enemy becomes such that we can sympathize with them?

I don't see that going well.

[frail pebble]

Man, invasive species enemy in my nature preserving game would've been so cool...

[ripe grotto]

The Ode are an invasive species 😂

[random prism]

Now we just get bugs, cus everyone knows bugs are naturally evil and nobody cares about killing them.

Cus ofc, mammals good, bugs bad and evil.

Very Disney view of things.

[frail pebble]

We need some cute bugs to save from the Ode

[ripe grotto]

Nice, big, fuzzy spoders ❤️

[frail pebble]

And more animals in general (I am pushing the wildcat agenda)

[ripe grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-insects-gif-18920877

Such a cutie ❤️

[frail pebble]

I do agree spiders are very cute

[covert belfry]

hey, sorry to interrupt. is there early access to the game?

[random prism]

The preludes have been going on for over a year now yes. Over 2 now I think?

[ripe grotto]

Yes, but they're invitation only. You can get a key by watching the Streams the devs do, the next one is tomorrow (12th of May)

[white otter]

2 years and uhhh.. almost 6 months

[random prism]

Or by making an account and just waitingg for the wednesday raffle.

[latent rock]

go frick yourself@ripe grotto

[random prism]

But the next stream would be the quickest way yes.

[latent rock]

you just HAD to send that gif

[white otter]

but.... is frend

[ripe grotto]

Yeees, cause it's so cute! ❤️

[random prism]

Very friendly friend.

[white otter]

if not friend why friend shaped?

[latent rock]

ye blocked you now

[covert belfry]

gotcha thanks

[random prism]

Precisely.

[frail pebble]

I mean some pollinators to save would be cool, bees, wasps etc would be nice.

[ripe grotto]

Damn, overreaction XD

[white otter]

maybe a lil

[pearl beacon]

I think this is fire writing king, I wish to see that kind of internal conflict for the player envoy

[random prism]

Some people are weird.

[pearl beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2--k01KRA2VTT6YANV3WWDKG5XCYGF

[latent rock]

some people are ignorant

[white otter]

ignorant... how?

[pearl beacon]

His lil arms goin 🥹

[random prism]

I have crippling thalassophobia and will punch someone before letting them drag me into water. I still won't be weird about someone sending an untargeted shark image in chat, despite not liking them myself at all.

[white otter]

it's a public discord server,
gifs are allowed,
can't exactly be asking every single person if they might have a phobia of something before sending something...

[latent rock]

thats why i generally dont send upclose pictures of known phobias, because im not ignorant and respect others

[frail pebble]

Yeah I mean I have a dog phobia and prefer not to see gifs of them, but I'm not going to call people ignorant for sending dog pics.

[random prism]

It's not like anyone even said they didn't like spiders before it was sent, it was just part of the conversation.

[white otter]

there's even spiders ingame

[latent rock]

they dont look like spiders at all tho so its fine for me, theyre like wood

[ripe grotto]

I mean, they could have asked or said something and I could have removed the gif. But they chose violence from the start :/

[frail pebble]

Ok have that reaction when someone sends a gif of a dog, or a horse or idk any other common phobia

[white otter]

i.... can't say i've ever heard of dog or horse related phobias

[latent rock]

yea no

[frail pebble]

They're very common phobias as well

[random prism]

I have, being afraid of dogs is not uncommon and can be very severe.

[ripe grotto]

Cynophobia, fear of dogs.

[latent rock]

having a general disgust and fear for the looks of a dog or horse is def NOT a common phobia

[random prism]

I've seen it in person before.

[latent rock]

im afraid of dogs, not their looks, but them

[random prism]

That's a you thing, your own phobia is not above or more important than everyone else's.

And a fear of dogs is not an uncommon phobia.

[latent rock]

i never said that?

i said its not common, please read and stop putting words in my mouth

[random prism]

Being afraid of spiders is not common then.

[white otter]

aight.... how about? this cool new upcoming game? called Soulframe?

[ripe grotto]

Sounds like a poor copy of Warframe, trying to ride their coattails of success 🤔

[random prism]

Lmao.

[white otter]

crazy sentence

[random prism]

I did originally think Soulframe was a placeholder name tbh.

But they seem to have stuck with it.

[white otter]

pretty sure DE did too

[frail pebble]

Honestly I understand it, I mean Fromsoft did the same between dark souls and demon souls

[random prism]

Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution, right?

[white otter]

it also works with how the game is 👀

[frail pebble]

If you've got a popular product, makes sense to "advertise" your other product by naming it similarly.

[ripe grotto]

Yea, they leaned into the whole Soulframe thing. Often refering to our Bodies as Frames

Like in the Ode Tempest Description

[random prism]

I feel like Soulframe is pointed at a different crowd tho.

So general advertisement, sure, 'these are the people who made WF and it is very successful'.

[sharp beacon]

just wait for the excalibur pact

[random prism]

But for an actual playerbase, I think it'll draw in generally different people.

[frail pebble]

That's true, even though the games are both "grindy games you can join your friends in"

[sharp beacon]

john warframe in soulframe

[ripe grotto]

That is the goal. That it should be its own thing, not just Fantasy Warframe 🙂

[random prism]

I despite how WF plays nowadays and dropped out of it a while ago.

[wooden idol]

Yeah

[random prism]

Soulframe has been incredibly enjoyable.

[frail pebble]

I find that most of my friends who enjoy warframe tend to also enjoy soulframe, and my friends that don't like warframe also tend to not like soulframe that much.

[ripe grotto]

Warframe plays kinda like an endgame ARPG at this point... Abilities that clear entire rooms and drown out your screen in numbers

[frail pebble]

But the games are very different feel.

[random prism]

I played it when it felt like a tactical shooter, now it's just 3D Diablo.

The 'game' is entirely crunched into the build process, and then 'gameplay' is just payoff.

Where you watch all the funny dots vanish on the minimap rooms over.

[pearl beacon]

I only still play warframe out of stockholm syndrome

Soulframe feels like everything warframe could've been if it had kept its 2013 vision, not fallen into the powercreep trap, etc etc - it's amazing having a DE game again where combat feels intentional, where you get to look at your enemies and think about what they're doing, etc

[frail pebble]

I like warframe because I can look at a wiki, it tells me go there to get x thing, and then I spend a few hours mindlessly grinding. Soulframe has that in common at least, which I do really enjoy.

But the vibes are so different, fantasy vs sci-fi and a more nature-close feel makes it really in my field for genre.

[random prism]

This precisely. I've had moments in WF where I did something, finished it, then did it again cus I legit forgot I just did it. It was getting so repetitive that I could turn my brain off and autopilot through something fast enough that it didn't even cling to my short term memory, so I'd have moments after doing something where I'd have to spent effort on remembering what I just did and had to do next.

When that started happening, I started falling off, cus it just wasn't holding my attention enough to be fun.

[stable pine]

i like both
warframe is a really fun power fantasy/WMD simulator especially since it feels like you had to build that power
soulframe, though I haven't tried it yet since I haven't gotten a key, I imagine will be fun for the opposite reason

[ripe grotto]

Yea, I also do really enjoy the mindless grinding. Also really enjoy the slower world, not just teleporting around willy-nilly, but actually needing to run around.

That's one of the things I really dislike about Warframe, how we just stand on our lander and load into missions, there's no gameplay inbetween activities. Soulframe has a great potential for that with random events and stuff like that.

[frail pebble]

Yeah that's really cool!

[random prism]

Both will shape up to be vastly different games, and Soulframe is much more my style. They've firmly stated that they're purposefully designing Soulframe to be nothing like what Warframe eventually became, and I hope they stick to that.

[frail pebble]

I just feel like having places I have to go to frequently really takes away from the soulframe experience. Grinding weapons should send you around the place, like Duelo quest, not just killing a boss every 30 mins hoping for the drop to happen.

[random prism]

Keep stuff challenging, make you think, actually hold attention.

I don't want to be allowed to autopilot.

[pearl beacon]

omg @ripe grotto I've just noticed your name lmao YES I want a little genius shoulder accessory so bad

[ripe grotto]

Really looking forward to seeing their changes with loot, as they plan to make a lot more loot drop randomly from enemies. Personally really like the idea of just running around grinding enemy camps in hopes of a specific fragment, instead of having to run the same boss or event over and over... Which will be fine for some later and rare fragments.. But I really like that grinding is just a massive part of the game 😄 Especially because, despite of its fairly simple combat, it just feels so good running around killing stuff mindlessly 😄

[pearl beacon]

when we do combat rolls his little head will have to duck pretty fast...

[frail pebble]

I think that sounds better. I like clearing the camps and collecting their motes.

[ripe grotto]

It could work as a Pact.. So the Shoulder Baby appears when we use Spectral Sight 😛

[random prism]

Pretty sure the shoulder baby, per lore, is an Orlick only thing.

Lest we delve into similar shenanigans.

[pearl beacon]

And so I speak the curs-ed spyderlect...

[ripe grotto]

Yea, it is. But that's why it could work as a pact... As we don't have our own actual shoulder baby, but channel Little Genius.. Like we can Channel Bromius, Garren Rood and Orengall... Not quite sure how pacts work, but maybe it could be a possibility when it gets fleshed out in the future how they actually work 😄

[random prism]

Pacts work as literal pacts made with powerful entities. The envoy's fey heritage allows them to make a pact and borrow the powers of that entity, so we'd need to make a pact directly with Orlick, and I don't think he's a powerful enough being for that to do anything.

[ripe grotto]

Well the Tempest Ode seems to be just purely technological 😛
Don't think we have enough information about what Pacts actually are

[random prism]

Though Ode Tempest is the one exception, being a pact seemingly desined around Ode tech.

Yeah that, but I give than an excuse.

It at least has a reason to be different given that it's just ripped from the Ode.

[white otter]

Ode pacts are more tech stuff yeah

[random prism]

One of those 'something so close that the difference is meaningless'.

May not be a pact by some fey lore definition but does enough of the same thing for people to not care about the practical.

[ripe grotto]

But I could see our Ancestors also giving pacts down the road... Steelsinger Pact, Vermin Pact, Pensive Pact 😄

Cameo gave us a pact

[random prism]

They were also some major pirate captain who was good enough to survive two failures despite the punishments for each having a very real possibility of killing her, then coming back and winning.

They were much more traditionally 'strong' than a blacksmith, a potion-maker, and a scribe.

[ripe grotto]

Verminia is a Witch, not just a potion maker

[pliant lintel]

"we saw you from the other side of the bar and we really dig your vibe"

[ripe grotto]

Also, don't underestimate the power of a Scribe... Poor Deckard Cain 🙁

[random prism]

Yes, but her skills appear to largely lie in the esoteric rather than the combative.

We're borrowing power when we use a pact.

[ripe grotto]

A pact doesn't have to be purely combative.. Orlick could give a nice supportive/healer pact

[random prism]

And that reaches into the subjective. I just speak on the trend that exists right now.

Pacts seem to need to be made with particularly powerful entities.

[ripe grotto]

Also, this is your personal speculation, as we simply don't have enough ingame information to back that up. We know basically nothing about the pacts 😛

[random prism]

That and when you hear 'pact', especially in anything that involves the fey, that trend holds.

Pacts are made with things that are bigger than yourself for power.

[ripe grotto]

Except when they don't... Ode Tempest.
And comparing an Odenbeast, basically a natur demi-god in power, to a very persistent pirate, seems odd too xD

[random prism]

That and Ode tech is also sorcerous in nature, voltaics do draw power from magic.

The stars specifically. So it is still effectively a connection to something greater than yourself.

Much like Mora's Hand.

[random prism]

I've absorbed enough Fate shenanigans by cultural osmosis to just chalk it up to the 'legend' meaning something.

And it may be more of a case of meeting a certain threshold.

That and we threw down with a berserk Bromius and still won, he ain't all powerful by any means, certainly below what first comes to mind when you hear 'demi-god'.

More just a particularly buff spirit really.

[spiral crag]

Is the infinite room in glades still the best way to XP farm?

[random prism]

If you can get one to spawn, yes.

But their spawn rate seems to be pretty low right now, from reports.

Also it's not infinite anymore but is way more time-effective now.

[spiral crag]

i noticed im not being able to spawn one after many tries today

[random prism]

Like, 0 to 22 on two weapons in a few minutes.

[ripe grotto]

Demi-god just means it's partly divine. Doesn't necessarily mean that its in any way powerful. But probably more powerful than your Average Bear, which a normal human wouldn't take on either 😄

Also, like I mentioned earlier. Noone said their pact had to be specialized in Combat. For Bromius it's his Strength, for Orengall it's her Cunning.. Nothing to say we couldn't get a pact that utilizes Orlicks vast Wisdom

[spiral crag]

from what i gathered pacts are more akin to warlock pacts like in DnD, you can make a pact with any particularly strong spirit and use their power for your own

[oblique pawn]

The Omen Beasts probably are demigods or powerful nature spirits of a kind. Not combat powerful ones, but ones whose power is related to their title.

[ripe grotto]

Again only problem with that theory: Tempest Ode. Which is technological and made by the Ode, not a pact with a strong spirit or crature.

[oblique pawn]

Ode Tempest is actually an interesting case: it's harnessing the Envoy's Fey blood and using it to fuel the tech.

[spiral crag]

Ode is more akin to the deities as in it is a force of nature, and is being used as an infinite power source

[oblique pawn]

Implying the reason the Envoy can make pacts is because their Fey blood provides a power source for the pact to gain power from

[random prism]

It's a single exception to a current trend, and Ode tech is, again, powered by magic. The envoy also used to be a tempest, so it's a bit of a reclamation.

[spiral crag]

which lets be honest: if our society found a lightning deity that could charge our phones just by praying to it...

[oblique pawn]

If anything, Duelo is a fascinating case, because it seems to be that it is a pact of ritual

You are binding yourself by the laws of Duelo for powrr

Mora's Hand, the Omen Beasts, and the Fey Pacts all relate to a specific person.

[spiral crag]

Duelo seems to draw their power from the nature of honor, to honor the duelo is to honor rules of nature

[oblique pawn]

But Duelo isn't named for a person

It's not Carmo, it's Duelo

The rituals and traditions are the pact, it seems.

[random prism]

Well, Mora's Hand is power drawn from Mora, the god and the sun, it's just also passed down from person to person.

[ripe grotto]

Being an Envoy is too complicated... Rejoining the Ode... All hail Lord Ballas Synod!

[spiral crag]

Duelo is "if a pinky promise gave you powers"

i get were gonna get some pretty conceptual pacts in the future

[ripe grotto]

More like a Curse... Really hoping that the Ghost Crew she talked about will be our Crew when we get our Sailjack 😄

[random prism]

I just interpreted it as a connection to both the legendary maestra and the crew that haunts them or something, it could still be argued to be individual-leaning.

Unless it's been stated otherwise ofc.

[oblique pawn]

Perhaps, but kinda going by the naming here.

Ode Tempest is a role. A tool given to your rank to harness your abilities unnaturally.

Duelo is a tradition, a ritual

Mora's Hand is a role in service to a being: Mora

[random prism]

True, every other pact is named after a role or individual, even Mora's Hand kind of.

[oblique pawn]

And the others are all named for their originator directly

[spiral crag]

the ode themselves need special gear to even harness ode tempest, its not a natural thing from them

[oblique pawn]

None of the Ode seem to use it

[random prism]

Well Ode Tempest is a role, what they're 'harvesting' is voltaics.

To varying degrees of power and complexity.

[oblique pawn]

It seems like it's a weapon made for Spellsung Envoys

The pact specifically that is

[random prism]

Nimrod is a Tempest.

Iirc.

[oblique pawn]

Does he use the Pact though?

[ripe grotto]

Woop woop!

[spiral crag]

The nimrod harnesss the power by being trapped in a special gear

[oblique pawn]

Doesn't seem to be wearing it

[random prism]

He doesn't, but my point was that 'Ode Tempest' is just a rank.

Ofc they're gonna leverage spellsung envoys if they have them tho.

[spiral crag]

if you see his armor it seems like a giant faraday cage

[random prism]

And they probabbly all got shoved into a 'special forces' rank.

[spiral crag]

thats how he can channel lightning

[random prism]

Which Tempest is probably their equivalent of.

[oblique pawn]

It seems like Tempest might be a legion of those with unusual powers the Ode find useful. The pact itself is the way they harnessed the power of Envoys, both us...and Bayor.

[ripe grotto]

Bayor is sus AF

[spiral crag]

the closest we get to ode using pacts is the corruption

which seems like an afterthought of the terraforming more than anything

[oblique pawn]

We've yet to see anyone not en Envoy use a pact tbh. Arguably Carmo maybe?

But it's unclear if she was one or not

It seems they require an Envoy, hence perhaps them needing a power source if Fey Blood to become active.

[spiral crag]

in hindsight it seems like the ode made a very stupid decision when they let the envoy go

if they had someone that could harness the fey blood for their own plans

[twilit marten]

I don't think they let us go, I think they executed us and it ... didn't stick

Ah, you mean it more generally, sorry

[spiral crag]

even if that is the case it was still a very dumb decision, they could have turned us into a giant fey power battery

[oblique pawn]

Feels more like the Envoy broke free and was presumed dead from the punishment maybe?

[random prism]

Yeah, we're probably not the only envoy they had, just a random one they kidnapped like the rest and then raised as a soldier.

[spiral crag]

i think that will be the case in the finished story

[random prism]

So when we broke out, we got yeeted and then dismissed as dead.

[oblique pawn]

They seem to have better power sources for their weapons generally. We're like a car battery they have the equivalent of nuclear plants.

[random prism]

Cus we kind of were. We went splat and then got revived by a spirit moose.

[oblique pawn]

We know they had at least one other

But it's unclear how many Envoys exist in Alca at the current time

Doyen is presumed dead

[random prism]

I'm still suspicious of Bayor. Paragon's description paints Bayor as very, VERY old, given that Alora was still around to sing it into existence, given that he is its first user, and the fey left like, 1,000 years ago? Perhaps a few decades less?

[spiral crag]

Its the "one tenno VS many tenno" theory again from WF

[oblique pawn]

Carmo, if she was one, slightly less so but not really in any way the Ode could use.

[oblique pawn]

Except it seems like Alora might have stayed

[random prism]

If Bayor is that old, he's probably a pretty strong dude, which raises the possibility of him joining the Ode willingly.

[oblique pawn]

Voluntarily or not. The Felling was a rift between her and the other Fey

[spiral crag]

Is the envoy the "Chosen one" or there are many like them that can be active participants in the world?

[random prism]

Her and the other fey or her and the envoys? I forget the exact history.

[oblique pawn]

We know she's been gone from Midrath, but that might just be her being captured.

[random prism]

I thought the fey in general kind of peaced out.

[oblique pawn]

They did

But it sounds like Alora stayed behind.

[random prism]

Was the felling a different event than Alora being betrayed then?

[oblique pawn]

Or perhaps was imprisoned here.

[random prism]

Cus Alora left after being betrayed by the first envoys.

They were specifically mournful about causing such.

[oblique pawn]

Think they were the same? It's...not exactly clear. Tethren and the others were originally the names of the Fey after all

[spiral crag]

fey as a whole kinda gave up on the world from what i gathered from alcas children dialogue, the only ones still worshipping them are the sproutfolk

[random prism]

Tethren was the name of the envoy, iirc.

[oblique pawn]

But now they seem to be the names of the Envoys?

[random prism]

The first who was granted that power.

[twilit marten]

I admit that I'd been under the impression that the Wylds were Fey from which Envoys descend

[oblique pawn]

Poor Pothia got her name stolen by her patron XD

[random prism]

Nah, just the first of the envoys, granted powers by the fey.

Whom they then betrayed and then immensely regretted that decision.

[pliant lintel]

her patrons were fey, that's what they do, steal names and make mushroom circles.

[oblique pawn]

It's weird, because during the Fey battles with the Humans, it's said the Humans wielded Tehran magicks. Implying the Envoys were founded pre felling.

[spiral crag]

So were technically using the pact of the first person using the power of the fey

[twilit marten]

Yeah, learned from the Solist warriors, which I had thought were Fey

[random prism]

If the Felling was also when Alora was betrayed, then that makes sense, as the Felling wouldn't be their creation but their betrayal.

[oblique pawn]

True.

[random prism]

So they'd have been made sometime before then.

That was just the big split between the fey and envoys/humans.

[spiral crag]

maybe they were the avatars of the fey they represented, like an aspect from league of legends if anyone here plays

[random prism]

Due to the latter's betrayal.

[pliant lintel]

I can't wait to be furether down our omegaverse named game dev stage so that more clear lore comes out

[oblique pawn]

So.perhaps that was their betrayal. Giving magick to the Humans.

[twilit marten]

I thought the whole idea was that the Wylds were Fey, our Fey ancestors, whom we had a sort of innate pact with, being their kin, ergo why they're our starter pacts. Perhaps this is pre-alpha murkiness at work.

[pliant lintel]

deffo pre alpha stuff

[oblique pawn]

But yeah, it's unclear when Alora left, if it was with the other Fey or during the Ode invasion.

[oblique pawn]

That was the old explanation

[random prism]

Oh no she's been gone well before the Ode invaded.

Given that the original envoys have been long gone too.

And she was gone well before any of them died.

[oblique pawn]

The Wylds were meant to be the first Envoys pacted to each of those Fey. But that since changed, around the time if Founders launched Pothia and the Wyld Envoys became Tethren, Oscelda, and Sirin

[spiral crag]

So by all means the first 3 pacts are akin to Mora or Mestra Carmo

[oblique pawn]

Wait, where was this stated?

[random prism]

I mean, in the lore of their weapons I think it mentions Alora having left or them feeling guilty about it or something.

They betrayed Alora and Alora left.

They were still alive for some time after, obviously.

May be misremembering where I read that stuff.

[oblique pawn]

Hm, it does sound like Oscelda wanted to meet Alora again.

But it's unclear if she left Midrath or simply went to ground.

[random prism]

I mean either way her presence is gone in effect whether she's outright gone or just in hiding, though I doubt she truly left Midrath given the Ode found her.

Or perhaps they just yoinked her from somewhere else.

They're probably crawling across a large portion of the planet, if not all of it.

[spiral crag]

The descriptions dont help with the ambiguity

"Carved from the femur of fthe Empress Alora"

[random prism]

Yeah, Alora made the weaponry of the first three envoys with pieces of herself.

[oblique pawn]

...Honestly, we wonder. The cage we see her in during the cutscenes and trailers...it doesn't look Ode. And if it were, why does Synod seemingly not have her by now? That was a Wevetwood vision, meaning it's of the future, right?

[random prism]

Kinda lame that said weaponry is kind of meh lol.

[oblique pawn]

So...did the Wylds imprison her maybe

[random prism]

Well, the wevetwood visions aren't exclusively future-sight. When we first got shown Bromius it seemed to be of the present, and it did cause a flashback into the past.

[oblique pawn]

That's why she has no more influence. Imprisoned the Empress and perhaps exiled the other Fey under threat?

[random prism]

It just seems to cast your sight beyond space and time.

Not necessarily in one direction.

[pearl beacon]

It's definitely an Ode'n cage, it's also situated in a Skytower

[spiral crag]

Maybe she was imprisoned by magick millenia ago and just now the ode found the place where she was contained and took her out of it

[oblique pawn]

Ah, yep

So they do have her then

[pearl beacon]

You can see those tooth-like floor protrusions over in the distance, which are the same you see in the Skytower both in Waste Bear + the Inquisitor intro

[oblique pawn]

So yeah, either they found her caged and claimed her, or she was hiding

[spiral crag]

how would have them contained her if she wasnt before is beyond me

[random prism]

I doubt Oscelda wouldn't have just gone to see her if she was caged.

I think she just outright left, went into hiding or far away, was out of the picture.

Which is understandable after being backstabbed.

And then the Ode found her sometime much later, after their invasion.

[spiral crag]

which is More powerful: the god or the power used to contain a god?

[random prism]

I mean, the Ode are an advanced race of evil electric space wizards.

They too have magic, and with enough preparation and pawns, anything is possible.

[twilit marten]

Depends on if the god is contained or just chilling in a cage

[spiral crag]

they also are stated to use astral magic

[oblique pawn]

Also: not all power is combat focused

[random prism]

Yeah, voltaics is fueled by the stars.

[oblique pawn]

One of the most powerful beings in Greek mythology was stuck in a box

Because her power wasn't based on physical force or violence

[ripe grotto]

If you're refering to Pandora's Box, that wasn't a singular creature, but an entire concept 😛

[oblique pawn]

A personified concept.

[spiral crag]

alora could be interpreted as the concept of nature of alca

[twilit marten]

I can't help but wonder if Alora is just hanging out for funsies in her Ode'n prison. She may be less invested in our struggle than we might assume.

[random prism]

Alca is definitely above Alora herself.

[spiral crag]

she IS the "Empress" after all

[random prism]

Given that we have lore that Alca created humanity cus Alora was bored and asked.

[oblique pawn]

She seems to like manipulating us at least.

[random prism]

So Alca does have its own will.

[ripe grotto]

Depends which source. Original greek mythology just described it as all the evils and miseries of the world, like diease, sorrow, violence, greed.

[spiral crag]

we cant forget that theyre FEY

[oblique pawn]

Unclear how much we can trust Alora in the end.

[spiral crag]

the "Kill kids for stealing food for shits and giggles" kind of fey

[random prism]

Tbf, the ones calling her empress are the sproutfolk.

Who were risen into sapience by her directly.

[oblique pawn]

The version we are familiar with had those evils and miseries as vengeful spirits that personified each of those cruelties. And Hope was personified as well.

[random prism]

So that checks out from their perspective.

[twilit marten]

I really do think she's sort of true neutral in all this, just content to see how it plays out, knowing that whatever happens, it's all just change -- and there's nothing more natural than change.

[oblique pawn]

Also the Founders gear

[spiral crag]

Unreliable narrator curse

[random prism]

Who were the first envoys granted power by her.

[oblique pawn]

So you think Alora wasn't Empress of the Fey, perhaps

[random prism]

I just don't think she's the quintessential source of all nature.

[oblique pawn]

But simply Empress of her own little faction?

[random prism]

High up the ladder, probably.

At the top? Again, Alca has its own will.

[oblique pawn]

But Alca isn't necessarily a Fey

[random prism]

Yeah of the fey perhaps.

Just not of nature itself.

[oblique pawn]

Oh, likely not, no

[spiral crag]

fey and gods seem to be different concepts in the game

[oblique pawn]

Empress likely means either of Midrath or of the Fey

[oblique pawn]

The gods are...interesting. Because of the 3 Celestial gods, all of them are a font of raw magically attuned power

And it seems each of the other gods, demigods, and even Fey merely draw from their wells and shape the power.

[spiral crag]

the gods themselves never actually manifested in the game, we only see others using their power

like Mora

[oblique pawn]

Except Algamne

She seems to be...seperate

Perhaps because she formed the contellations

[random prism]

Tbh it seems all magic thus far comes from sipping some kind of star juice. Mora and Saphene are both celestial bodies that can be argued to also be stars by definition. Iridis is a moon supposedly born from them, and moons reflect the light of their solar bodies, so he's by several vagueries an extension of them, and then Voltaics draws from the starry sky just generically.

So that definitely seems to be a theme right now, magic coming from the stars.

[oblique pawn]

Interestingly, Algamne might be argued to be the source of the Ode power as well

[spiral crag]

Celestial body magic is a very cool way to create a magic system

[oblique pawn]

Spinner of destinies and the skycloth

[spiral crag]

drawing a lot of comparison to old religions who worshipped planets and used the night sky to create myths

we also might see constelations used as pact powerss

[random prism]

Actually we have Mora's Hand sourced directly from Mora. I wonder if we'll eventually get pacts that are also just turbo Saphene or turbo Iridis-themed.

[spiral crag]

they have made the games night sky so full and beautiful, its easy to fit that into the powers

[oblique pawn]

And possibly the pacts of the Demigods as well

A Paladine pact would be sick probably

[pearl beacon]

Imagine one arcanic being a toggle that alters the other two arcanics! It'd essentially have four, and play into their theme of non-conformity (yes I am just copying equinox from warframe)

[oblique pawn]

Oh, also. Apparently Sybils exist in Alca as well

Oro is said to be half sybil

[spiral crag]

"We have the technology"

[desert shore]

drip check give me feed back

[random prism]

I will say that this may just be a case of them being unique by happenstance rather than a grand theme. Fey are meant to be eldritch, unknown, fundamentally different. They don't necessarily conform to human binaries, but at the same time, that facet about them isn't inherently special enough to become a major theme of them.

[spiral crag]

especially the concept of equinox in this game where seasons, nature and the moon and sun are powers that be

[oblique pawn]

Too much oven mitt

[random prism]

Much like Mora's powers don't have anything to do with them being feminine.

[oblique pawn]

Paladine isn't a Fey

[random prism]

Oh yeah, well, demigod.

[pearl beacon]

I'm not sure if this was meant to be in reply to my message or something else? This is about the demigod Paladine, who is neither son nor daughter to Iridis

[random prism]

Things above humanity and not necessarily constrained by their limits.

[pearl beacon]

Paladine is unique in that

[spiral crag]

cant go wrong with the royalty purple paired with the robes

[pearl beacon]

Yeah but none of Iridis' other children share that quality - both Oro and Verus are explicitly male

[desert shore]

saw everyone else doing it, so i felt just wearing arbearer the whole time wasnt cool anymore

the real late game of any DE game.. fashion

[oblique pawn]

OH

Wait

Chlor

[random prism]

Mora and Saphene also somehow had a child together, I just took it as them not being constrained by such things. When I saw that Paladine fell outside of the binary, I just went 'huh, that's pretty dang neat'. I never thought it was big enough to constitute an entire powerset though. I feel like that could cheapen such a thing just being natural to them.

[oblique pawn]

The Paragon was sung into being by Alora right?

[random prism]

Yeh.

[spiral crag]

yes

[oblique pawn]

And Bayor was the first to wield it?

...What's to say she didn't make it for him as his prisoner

[oblique pawn]

The Ode have Alora

The Ode control Bayor

Alora gave Bayor the sword

[random prism]

True, that is not explicitly stated.

[oblique pawn]

Bayor doesn't need to be centuries old

[random prism]

We do not know when she made it.

[oblique pawn]

He could have been bribed to not bring in Alora

Since it seems we, the player, might have done so in the end.

[spiral crag]

WAIT

[oblique pawn]

That, or Bayor could have been Alora's jailer or guardian

[ripe grotto]

Bayor has a Greatsword.
Ballas has a Greatsword.
PARAgon
PARAcecis
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[spiral crag]

Maybe we could have helped to imprison alora, and after we tried freeing her we were "executed" but we still have a connection to her

[oblique pawn]

If true: stab stab stab stab STAB

[spiral crag]

and now were gathering power to raid the oden ship and free her

is there any other official mention of Baylor than the Paragon sword?

[lost grove]

After some testing, I have discovered almost exactly how The Cogah Talismans work. They will give a small Damage/Stagger multiplier for each Agari killed, as per the description.

BUT! Upon reaching a 1.2x multiplier (~10 Agari) they will begin decreasing back to a 1x multiplier, providing no bonus.

[lost grove]

We see him during The Shewolf Snared.

[random prism]

Are we told that is Bayor though?

I forget if the subtitles are named.

[lost grove]

Yes.

[random prism]

Nice to know.

[spiral crag]

So baylor is either 1000 years old or 30 something

or the paragon is a very recent creation compared to the other weapons

[frosty ore]

the only viable way to "return" the paragon to bayor is by driving it through him.
no other option is allowed.

[spiral crag]

turns out, despite its size, the Paragon DOES have a sheath

[lost grove]

Pretty sure that's what the engraving implies. I don't think The Paragon is Bayor's.

[spiral crag]

the engraving is a threat after all

so the first user was so pissed he used his relic weapon made by a demigod to write a death threat to his enemy

that is some next level hating

especially because the sword is meant to have our name when we replicate the blueprint to give to other players

so are WE the next sworn enemy for the players we give them to?

[lost grove]

Maybe we'll get to add our own message?

[spiral crag]

i dont trust the community to have this power

[muted owl]

That would be too dangerous and impossible to moderate. Usernames are bad enough

[spiral crag]

imagine the CHAOS

[lost grove]

Probably a Dark Souls situation, like the trees, no?

[spiral crag]

"Thrust but Whole"

[lost grove]

Do you think the character during the trip in The Waste Bear is us or Bayor?

With Synod and the seed.

[spiral crag]

i think it is

[lost grove]

The community seems split. Several people have said that Wevetwood Sap only allows visions of the future, so it can't be Bayor giving Synod the Empress, as he already has her.

Personally, I think it is Bayor. But you never know.

[random prism]

We know the sap gives visions, I don't think it was ever explicitly stated of the future.

It also seems to mess with your head if you just take pure sap, in a way that is not necessarily 'visions' like what Verminia brewed.

So it may have actually just been a drug-induced flashback a la personal memory.

Bromius was inhaling sap and just going wonky, not becoming prophetic.

I don't think it's healthy to take it straight and when we inhaled a bunch it screwed with us.

[errant isle]

How do I smite exactly? is it just Q + L-Click?

[random prism]

Spirit vision and attacking, yes.

That would be default.

[errant isle]

coolio ty thought i was dumb.

[muted owl]

I’m actually thinking that Verminia did something to make it prophetic of the future whereas the non-treated (for lack of a better term) caused insanity hallucinations and fear—if you recall what the wazzard said to bromius, it made it sound like he was playing on bromius’s fears of not being good enough and being old and “our last season”.

So it could’ve been a vision of our own fears and the demands of synod whereas maybe Baylor succeeded in getting the empress.

Though a part of me is wondering if Baylor is a secret twin or brother or something to the Envoy, and if we elect to be the evil envoy, we choose their path.

[rare socket]

could be the envoy
if it was bayor, would whoever's in armor sound like him?

[pulsar rune]

Grandfa is missing so he must be Bayor

[muted owl]

Granfa when he was younger.

[rare socket]

nuh bayor is way younger

also wonder how the other ode pact will work

people seem iffy on even the Tempest pact

[lost grove]

It's probably going to be Wyld Ode Tempest.

[rare socket]

hopes its a new ode pact tho TwT

[lost grove]

Nah, there are three other concepts for new Ode pacts.

[vestal crest]

The only thing I wish the devs would do was to reset our items to the levels after they fix something. 🙁

[nova spade]

What does the scaling icon change mean?

[ripe grotto]

The Gold means it's at 5 (max)

[nova spade]

So this Purity doesnt need the highest tier joinery to max out?

[ripe grotto]

Correct

A Thrice would yield the same result as the Twice

[manic sonnet]

just checking but we smite enemies to slowly add to their knowledge in book, correct?

[ripe grotto]

Correct

[random prism]

Yep.

[manic sonnet]

cool

orengall main for a bit then

[random prism]

Orengall and flyblades.

[manic sonnet]

yep

[ripe grotto]

Orengall + Flyblades is the Smite build 😄

[random prism]

Become a singularity of smites.

[manic sonnet]

ez pz

[random prism]

Honestly Flyblade Orengall using Paragon sounds like a time.

[manic sonnet]

havent played much for a bit im glad they got rid of orengalls claw

[random prism]

I just hope they revamp the first skill to mean something when mounts are introduced.

Cus right now its whole point to existing is mild utility.

[manic sonnet]

it can 1 shot a lotta stuff but meh

[random prism]

Common enemies. Which I can oneshot with a headshot.

Or a charged heavy from a GS.

[manic sonnet]

yeah its not worth using for that

[atomic folio]

Hi

[random prism]

Orengall's 1 is several eh use cases rolled into one skill.

The biggest of which will become eclipsed by mounts.

I just hope they replace it with something more meaningful.

Bigger concern may be fixing it for multiplayer tho, lol.

[nova spade]

They should change it to a transform instead of summon

[random prism]

Whether or not the player model is there is irrelevant to my point of it having questionable use.

They could change that and it'd still have the exact same problems.

[nova spade]

Some of the classes lack senergies within itself, and are not well fleshed out, Orengal is one of them, they need to sit down and figure it out

BearBro too

[vestal crest]

garren rood pact is 🔥

[nova spade]

But it is understandable, since the game is in it's infancy state

[ripe grotto]

Best thing about that Pact is the Alternative Kick 😄

[vestal crest]

tbh, I love how you get antlers when you press 'Q' and when you kick someone, you actually headbut them like Garren does 😍

[ripe grotto]

Yeees Real!

[vestal crest]

the smallest details are amazing 😭

[obtuse rampart]

I like most pacts but I do think my favorite goes to garren

[ripe grotto]

Druid of da Rood

[obtuse rampart]

Antlers are by far the best soul mode effect

[random prism]

I wish they didn't gut Stampede though.

I don't know if it gets better on pure Grace but it does almost literally nothing even at 15 Grace.

Idk what they did to its base damage and scaling but it's awful.

It was good for like a prelude or two and then they ruined it again.

[ripe grotto]

Yea, it's great for building stagger, but that's about it :/

Same with the Birds for Oscelda

Great for stagger, but that's about it

[random prism]

Did they kill Phantom Flock's damage too?

Oof.

[ripe grotto]

Yea, on anything that's basically level 15+ it's only 1 damage

But it can stagger anything in seconds

[lost grove]

Does anyone have any Rank 0 Founders weapons?

Just need the Stagger values.

Precklies/Thistle/Gwylen/Wulder would also be appreciated.

[random prism]

I should have the teth sword still at 0 from a joinery, lemme check.

Yeah, nothing else though.

[lost grove]

One is better than none. Thank you.

[sterile pagoda]

https://klipy.com/gifs/clair-obscur-2--k01KRAF68E3RPXNGKYCBF2FYGW3

[random prism]

Lol.

Yeah I have a 33/15/15 split right now via the wyld teth prism.

With Mora's Beast you can break past 40.

But then my 15s would become 11s.

Yeah, 41/11/11.

[lost grove]

For some reason Cenotaph, Dewelion, Espadarte, Marrow's Bane, Navalha, Gathannan, and Avex get 10 more Stagger than other weapons of the same class at rank 30.

[obtuse rampart]

Are all of those 3 stars?

Not the rapiers

[lost grove]

Similar thing happens with the 1 star gear. Nettle, Precklies, Thistle, Gwylen, and Wulder only go to 100% attunement and (I think) all have 10 less Stagger than other weapons of the same class at rank 30.

But Clivers, Rivt-II, and Vasp-IV are also 1 star and don't do that.

[spiral crag]

I hate how enemies stumble around and fall back when you use Duelos flintlock

i know its accurate to someone pulling a gun to your face mid combat but that throws off the entire flow of the combat because you have to wait for them to get up to shoot properly

[low geode]

they fear awesomeness

[spiral crag]

if someone dodged my swing and pulled a glowing flintlock to my face id do the same but cmon

[random prism]

They do that with any arcanic I think, if close enough. Idk if the stagger force is the same across all arcanics.

But when that happens I just shoot them on the ground tbh, or shoot someone else.

[daring magnet]

cozy

[fervent bloom]

you have a house or just visiting a town in midrath.

[hushed rampart]

John Erstroot

[daring magnet]

thats in the swamp

birdies bog, I wonder if thats birdies house

[fervent bloom]

oh yeah we do have a house at the start, i think but it just leads us to the nightfold

nighthold

[daring magnet]

hmm this isnt the best for directx 12 is it?

[winter steeple]

easy now white chocolate, don't hurt em

[solid fable]

the hut at birdie's bog is part of one of the new special mini-quests you can start from a nearby world tree i'm pretty sure

[lost grove]

I thought you might want to know The Erstroot is one of two weapons in the game that can reach 5.6 Spirit Pips.

[hushed rampart]

I know of this yes

[solid fable]

i would shake my head in disappointment if you didn't

[lost grove]

The Erstroot keeps winning.

[hushed rampart]

By the wise spirit of Iridis I would be a fool to say no to such a question

[daring magnet]

switched back to dx11 and the shadows are fine, dx12 the shadows are black 2.0 and you cant see shit

[lost grove]

Hmm. Purity also gets 10 more Stagger from level bonuses than other Greatswords.

[hushed rampart]

is anyone having issues when renaming loadouts?

when ever I press space it confirms instead of making a space between words

[solid fable]

i think that's been reported a few times

[hushed rampart]

alright so it

agh It's not just me

[solid fable]

you can work around it by copying the name you want and hitting control V though

i mean, from the clipboard

[hushed rampart]

I hate it when my keyboard doesn't let me finish sometimes

[hushed rampart]

Oooh yeah I could do that!

there we go

[inland talon]

Got my friend the complete founder pack for her birthday via visa giftcard, feelin good

[hushed rampart]

yippee

[lost grove]

I just thought to ask... What Rune do you use on your Erstroot?

[hushed rampart]

after the update I started using Hollowing

[lost grove]

Not Archstorm? 😔 The rune of the erst storm, the root of all rain?

[hushed rampart]

I mean I used it a whole lot before

[lost grove]

Find it weird they changed it from Voltaic damage to Arcanic.

[hushed rampart]

oh my god they did!

I'm just reading the description too

[lost grove]

Let the erst flow through you! Become its root!
-# You could make a religion out of this.

[winter steeple]

gotta be my favorite weapon description

[winter steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/religion-bill-wurtz-dont-history-gif-14178134

[random prism]

The description lies within yourself.

It is up to you to define what you wield.

Or something like that idfk.

[rare socket]

question:
what are the tutorial like in soulframe? for stuff like combat, smite, spectral sight etc

im thinking of a cool narrative addition for em

[somber bear]

I'd say... Not really there, the game sorta doesn't mention the buttons you're meant to press most of the times.

[winter steeple]

theres a pretty long tutorial quest, and orlick has a bunch of stuff

[somber bear]

complete opposite answers lol

[winter steeple]

good ol orlick the bisexual

[rare socket]

now that i think about it, the torment stag does have some pop ups how what to press
but jsut pop ups tho TwT

[somber bear]

It does...? I can't remember, I'm sure it hasn't told me how to perform a smite or activate a rune 😅

[wooden goblet]

Once full warsong comes out. It will prolly expand tutorial

[somber bear]

I'm sure it's just a pre-alpha thing, yeah.

[rare socket]

main jsut for like
spectral sight and the spirit guide
but that basic stuff TwT

[wooden goblet]

I think it showed smite on the Jotar spirit part of Torment stag

[winter steeple]

"pre-alpha"
looks inside
Closed beta

[rare socket]

one of soulfame main themes is well, soul and its restoration
like restoring the soul and history of midrath, or rescuing the souls of alca and discovering their history

but one thing we're also forgettin is the envoy

whats their history?

[stable pine]

i think its left vague on purpose

[somber bear]

I think we're going open alpha this year, feel it in my bones

[winter steeple]

its funny, my friend, a game dev, broke down the whole alpha/beta/release thing in a way that i thought was clever

[stable pine]

im gonna end up getting a code drop from the streams a week before it opens 😭

[rare socket]

we know that they were Midrathian native kidnapped and conscripted by the Ode, then exiled back to midrath, now lre-learning their native roots n stuff
so....what was their conscription an conditioning like? how were they trained as a tempest?

[wooden goblet]

We’ve see the kidnapping moment

Well the memory of it can be found

[winter steeple]

you need a code?

[stable pine]

i havent gotten one yet, havent had the chance to watch the streams with work

[somber bear]

I wonder if we have the OG slideshows of the whole Juniper acquisition thing in the wiki

[winter steeple]

i can send you one, i still have an extra

[stable pine]

It would be greatly appreciated but you don't have to :)

[winter steeple]

nice thing about free will, i dont have to do anything 😛

hurry before someone snags it

[stable pine]

Someone might already have lol

It be like that

[winter steeple]

its probably against DE's rules to buy and sell keys, right?

[stable pine]

it is

[visual wagon]

100%

[rare socket]

we see Doyen teachin the envoy how to use magick, so what if as some tutorial cutscene/settings, the envoy remembers flashbacks of their bonding time with doyen and their military training in the ode?

[stable pine]

I'm sure a bot immediately snagged it lol

[rare socket]

think of like those tutorials in the jedi survival games were they're narritevaly set during the players time as a jedi padawan

[winter steeple]

maybe, but still try it obviously

[stable pine]

I did

[winter steeple]

it didnt work?

[stable pine]

well now idk cause i mightve made a typo but i cant put it in because of this 😭

[winter steeple]

not ideal

[stable pine]

I'll let you know if it ends up working whenever it lets me actually try lmao

[winter steeple]

👍

[stable pine]

Dyou mind sending me that again in DMs so I can double check my spelling

[winter steeple]

sure, one sec

[charred crag]

completely unrelated but your server tag just made me chuckle to myself

[stable pine]

Thank you lol

[random prism]

I do imagine the tutorial experience will be vastly improved once the game exits pre-alpha. Idk who said it but I was told that they mentioned we aren't even at the very beginning right now, so there's some stuff that's been skipped that will probably contain a better way of orienting new players.

Warframe has also been making great strides there, so it wouldn't make sense to not apply that here.

[young sun]

Me wanting to purchase the paragon pack but soulframe says "Payment via Bank card is currently unavailable" :(

[ornate timber]

Sulprim

[random prism]

I do hope they get that stuff sorted before the end of founders.

Some people have been having payment issues from the very launch that still haven't been fixed.

[young sun]

well I was able to buy wyld sirin last month but I can't buy paragon just now

[stable pine]

If you buy one of the wylds does it lower the price of paragon for you?

[young sun]

yes it does

[random prism]

Yes, 1:1.

Paragon cost 100 for me, individual packs 30.

If I bought one, Paragon would drop to 70.

And so on.

Though I just got Paragon outright.

[stable pine]

Sweet thank yall

[charred crag]

Have to mail DE cash directly 🤔

[indigo plinth]

Shooting the Ghost boss in the Crypt of Circade and one shotting it witha gun is such a power move. 😄 I love the new Duello Pact

[winter steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

Does anyone have a 3d model of the paragon?

[random prism]

I'm not even sure that's available.

[indigo plinth]

I think you can get the 3d model in the game files

[random prism]

I hesitate to try to dissect those.

[winter steeple]

if i had any skill with blender, id just recreate it myself

but alas, i am an idiot

[young sun]

better start learning now so that you can create a soulframe "tennogen" item in the future

[winter steeple]

envoygen?

Envoy's Forge?

EnCrafted?

[hushed rampart]

Enforge

[winter steeple]

the thing is, soulframe doesnt have skins, or even weapon customization

[young sun]

not yet

[winter steeple]

so both of those things would need to exist before DE starts accepting user generated content

[young sun]

all road leads to fashion

[winter steeple]

I know what i would make if i was doing tennogen stuff for soulframe

A pristine, shining set of paladin's armor, something out of high fantasy

mirror polished stirling silver and gleaming gold rivets

and the helm, something imposing and regal

this sorta thing

and it would be called Regalia

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/gabriel-ultrakill-gif-15205061886008430015

[winter steeple]

I do hope they add the option to replace your pact arm with the right arm that would be on your armor

[winter steeple]

bruh don't do this to me

[random prism]

That sword has no tang lmao.

Snaps immediately. Neat-looking though.

[winter steeple]

ignore the sword and the shield, its the armor

I just feel like we need something to match the regal fey construction of the paragon

Armor of gleaming gold and shining silver

[celest dome]

ah so this is where you hide when you're not looking for tioreh mod

[tawdry owl]

to be fair, this is a magically charged world

I mean look at this

[winter steeple]

honestly, soulframes material physics is pretty tame

[summer axle]

Who needs a tang when you have feywilds magick lmao

[random prism]

Eh, the presence of magick shouldn't nullify even basic realism.

The two are unrelated.

[winter steeple]

sure, we've got the occasional trick weapon or inexplicable mechanism, but most of the weapons are actually pretty solid in build

[summer axle]

No but it mostly does in fantasy settings xD

[random prism]

DE has been better than that thus far tho.

Sure, some of the designs, definitely fantastical, but not actually that outlandish.

Mall ninja certainly, but vaguely structurally sound.