envoy-gathering

[misty veldt]

Guess my builds are invalid

[random prism]

There are only two ways to one-tap a boss post-HP buff. Nutty, multiplayer buff stacking, or Grace setups.

[quick thicket]

same principle as too much oxygen in the air maybe?

[random prism]

You're free to show your non-Grace build onetapping a boss.

[hybrid pasture]

only magick can't headshot right now

[somber bear]

yeah, that's why "almost any" weapon

[random prism]

Which is also probably not intended, given that it doesn't make sense.

[hybrid pasture]

well its more of bows now gets punished for not going grace

[random prism]

It's a projectile, it should be able to headshot.

[somber bear]

Weapons, ever since they moved attunement to grip type, get punished for not going with a matching virtue... It's not just bows.

[hybrid pasture]

no, its a change happened some time back, not in patch notes

[pearl beacon]

Wym? Grace duelo navalha is insane fun, massive backstab damage

[pliant lintel]

there is more to life than headshots bro

[plush rose]

this is funny

[misty veldt]

Was this a recent change? The hp buff

[pearl beacon]

Yes, P14

[random prism]

They had their HP massively increased, yes, to avoid speedruns.

Or at least diminish them.

[quick thicket]

yeah they increased Agari HP to contend with us getting stronger stuff

[random prism]

They can't just be onetapped by throwing on a rune now.

[misty veldt]

Initial or after?
Cause i never noticed

[quick thicket]

after

[boreal forge]

Maybe the Ode just can't handle 100% pure Ichor slushies, that's why they need to dissolve it on water

Give it all to me, Imma drink it instead

[random prism]

I think they just also need water to live, like any organic life really.

[pearl beacon]

Hotfix 4

[random prism]

Pure ichor isn't all that... liquidy.

[random prism]

It's goop. It's hard to have goop flow through a vein.

[boreal forge]

Skill Issue

[random prism]

Lmao.

[pearl beacon]

It irks me how the patchnotes say 'all Agari, including...' and then list every non-Agari sub-boss lol

[pliant lintel]

this one was sponsored by big cholesterol

[somber bear]

my guy here shooting black tar to improve his vein flow speedrun any%

[hybrid pasture]

ichor = oil? nuclear wastes?

[random prism]

Nah ichor is just its own thing.

[misty veldt]

Thats why
Ok then grace becomes good in a bad way
Bc if the goal is to have players engage with bosses
Grace nulifies that
By just evaporating bosses
And then courage and spirit beats them in all other content

[hybrid pasture]

I mean, its substance properties

[boreal forge]

NOT THICK ENOUGH!

[random prism]

Courage and Spirit do not beat Grace in all other content.

All three virtues do pretty damn evenly right now, outside of the things Grace does astronomically better.

[somber bear]

That's what Sara explains in the video btw, she says they swapped the courage meta for grace, the math is scaling waaay too hard now and the other virtues are behind.

[pliant lintel]

which comes more from typical alpha balancing, might i add

[hybrid pasture]

simply put
lower base damage overall, but grace multipliers got increased by a lot?

[boreal forge]

That's it, I'm making my build Corage+Spirit

[random prism]

Yeah it just needs a tweak, the system behind it works fine.

The crit scaling needs to be lessened is all.

[somber bear]

It's usable, it's just not min-maxing

[boreal forge]

Time to eat the Medicant King 400 more times

[somber bear]

I think they should do smite for courage, crits for grace and elemental for spirit, would feel fun to build around these different playstyles

[pliant lintel]

those are pretty solid. we love some good hp and good cooldowns

[boreal forge]

Gun%

[pliant lintel]

and by min maxing, we mean restricing ourselves to only use builds relying on headshots

[random prism]

I feel like this impinges on variety though, for the elemental part, as right now we have at least one weapon in every category for any build.

I like having a courage staff and being able to use it just as effectively.

[hybrid pasture]

well, if lessen crit, then need slightly more base dmg

[random prism]

No? Why would you? The base damage is fine.

[misty veldt]

They are definitely not behind
I play a decent amount of public lobbies
Nobody uses bows they arnt fun

[random prism]

The whole problem is the crit multi being out of control.

[pliant lintel]

btw, with 40 spirit, you can get your gun to shoot every 5 seconds ish while your 2 is active

[somber bear]

we will eventually have 30 weapons per grip type, they will have more room to make them more unique/niche to builds

[somber bear]

"nobody uses bows" weak bait, 2/10

[hybrid pasture]

who is "we"?
statement

[boreal forge]

Actually, low grace would make Gun Headshots lower damage huh...

Hm...

Does that affect stagger?

[pliant lintel]

the thing has so much base damage, it'S insane, you genuinly donT' loose much

[boreal forge]

It also has piercing and explosion on surface contact

[random prism]

I mean I saw someone get 17k damage wth it.

[somber bear]

yeah... We also reached this conclusion over all the pact analysis threads lol... A Courage skill will still be outdamaged by spec'ing into grace

[misty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cell-perfect-cell-perfect-bait-troll-gif-1108314986210498165

[hybrid pasture]

are you sure it got enough base damage since you basically have no courage or grace for having that much investment into spirit

[somber bear]

https://tenor.com/vdJ39xRP1YX.gif

[pliant lintel]

yup, the pacts is overtuned af, even without the headshot shenanigans it'S alsready busted

[boreal forge]

I LOVE THE DUEL9

GLORY TO MESTRA CARMO

[random prism]

Where is the investment into spirit coming from? I was talking about the grace multi needing a nerf.

For crit damage, cus it climbs way too high.

[hybrid pasture]

not as much as old bromius, I do not accept nerf to duelo

[pliant lintel]

but it has no charge or grapple hook. trash/10

[random prism]

Grace doesn't have any problems that'd need to be fixed at the same time, a straight nerf would work.

Just to that multiplier.

[somber bear]

I don't think Duelo is OP, it doesn't need a nerf, it's actually perfectly balanced and the other pacts should be as strong as it.

It is full of risk/reward tradeoffs

[hybrid pasture]

someone was talking about putting all spirit into duelo, since it got so many base damage to spam 5 second flintlock or smth

[random prism]

Duo needs a nerf, a 50% damage boost is nutty and needs to not apply to arcanics or runes.

[boreal forge]

There's something SO funny about Carmo herself being effectively a grace character but running a Courage+Spirit build instead

[pliant lintel]

what kind of reasoning is that?

[random prism]

It already doubles down on bleed procs and stagger.

Even on basic attacks only, 50% is a lot.

[somber bear]

Why? It's a single target pact... You guys have a weird fear of anything feeling slightly "too strong" that instantly triggers some warframe PTSD lol

[pearl beacon]

I'm gonna do a hot take and say oscelda really needs a nerf

I love it but man does it trivialise all content

[mellow mist]

i need help 🙂

[hybrid pasture]

duelo is pretty rounded imo, you can go into high burst but longer downtime, unlike tethren

[pliant lintel]

50% damage buff on it's 3 is busted, and that's even before mentionning it lets you double your smite chances. i'm sorry, but it does need tuning down

[mellow mist]

what is that !

[boreal forge]

Duelo needs the option to customize the guitar colors

[pearl beacon]

I have massive WarfPTSD but haven't played with duelo yet so can't comment hahaha

[pliant lintel]

that's the siege baloon! you nee to grab a torch to light it up!

[mellow mist]

from where ?

[random prism]

Duo Duelo doubles stagger, doubles smite chances, and adds half again more damage to anything you do, cracking out both your gun and runes.

[pearl beacon]

This is an Ode'n skylantern, they use them as signals for various purposes. This is the giant one for the siege you're currently doing, set fire to it to complete your siege

[boreal forge]

Actually, do we actually think Steve is adding sailing to the game? And other islands?

[random prism]

It also doubles bleed proc chances, which is incredibly strong.

[pliant lintel]

look around 😉 they might have some stockpile somewhere

[somber bear]

I want to feel strong after the grind... As long as they don't add a skill that can AoE one shot, the game is fine.

[hybrid pasture]

its quite a glass cannon though, and cooldown is quite long

[pearl beacon]

Yes both were confirmed as future content

[boreal forge]

Holy moly

[somber bear]

oh yeah, sailjack

[boreal forge]

I guess this really is him just doing whatever he couldn't back in Warframe huh

[random prism]

No? You have a 50% slow, and nothing to inflict you with anything like being a glass cannon. You just turn it on and start hacking.

[pliant lintel]

AT LEAST half

[hybrid pasture]

not that far different from garren rood

[random prism]

Duelo would still be incredibly strong without Duo affecting runes and arcanics. It would still be strong should the damage be nerfed too, given that, again, double stagger, double bleed, double smite.

[somber bear]

Or bestone... Or Fellust... Or Bromius... They all have something that makes them strong.

[boreal forge]

I wonder what'll happen to Flintlock if they add a flintlock to the game...

(⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

[hybrid pasture]

probably will just stay as ability, not as weapon

[pliant lintel]

not really, i think in this case, you might have a bit of warframe dullness, where you underestimate things due to how disincetizing the powercreep got in warframe

[random prism]

Duo is just far above anything else like it.

[hybrid pasture]

not really

[pliant lintel]

unlikely, the only reason the ability got in the game was because it was too cool to pass. they don'T want actual gun

[random prism]

As it is, it's a win button, like very old Fellust and bows.

[boreal forge]

Oh, actually! This is something I was wondering

Can enemies be smitten more than once?

[somber bear]

Nah, I'm not having this conversation with you again. This is Soulframe and I am ok feeling like a normal guy, just don't tell me I'm supposed to struggle to kill a lvl 30 normal enemy while I'm MR 18

[boreal forge]

I always feel they only get proced once

[sharp beacon]

Interesting Id love to hear why is it its cc and ability to reacharge super fast?

[misty veldt]

Heres true bait

[hybrid pasture]

if htey dont die yes

[random prism]

I mean you shouldn't be doing that even without a pact tbh.

[somber bear]

You seem to have put a lot of effort into that.

[random prism]

Given that they die from basic attacks in like, 2-3 hits.

And that's me using a rapier.

[boreal forge]

The thing is that with the ability being a thing it implies those DO exist

[hybrid pasture]

so do other pacts can if you build for it, only difference is duelo is more rounded to have all virtues good to build into, which other pacts doesn't really have as much polish

[misty veldt]

Fishing is more then just sitting around

[somber bear]

so what's the fixation in nerfing something that takes it from 2~3 hits to 1 for a short amount of time? lol

[random prism]

That is literally what I just said yes.

[pliant lintel]

erm.. oreo... are you actually struggling to kill lvl 30 enemies wihtout duello?

[somber bear]

nope, I like it very much as it is :)

[random prism]

I just don't think this is good reasoning at all. As I said, turning Duo on is a win button cus you can just hack into bosses. Double stagger, double smite procs, double bleed procs, and a 50% damage boost that usually lasts the entire fight.

Combat is intended to be some degree of challenging, and Duo is currently a one-button invalidator.

[boreal forge]

It is?

That's craaazy

[hybrid pasture]

nope, that's tethren

[random prism]

Hell, it even makes rune strikes 50% stronger, and those do not need to be stronger.

[pliant lintel]

yes and no? it's complicated. it's alpha, thngs can change, nothing is set instone yet

[random prism]

Runes should honestly not stack with any other boost.

[somber bear]

I'd argue Fellust or Song of Growth are more win buttons than duo, because you will still take damage if you get hit.

[boreal forge]

My gun T_T

[sharp beacon]

Both can be true

[boreal forge]

Tethren is kinda just very boring though

It's 3 self buffs and that's it

[hybrid pasture]

duelo isn't op, its that any virtue is good to build into
and then there's tethren and bromius, which you build specifically into a virtue to work, and you becomes the win button

[pliant lintel]

well, maybe it will turn into "totally not a gun", that's what i mean. like, the reason why you rarely see guns in fantasy stuff is more the implications that comes with gunpowder.

[random prism]

Didn't Bromius's thump get pretty dang balanced though?

[somber bear]

Yeah, it is. Duelo is fun, full of engaging gameplay, you risk yourself to use your 2, you need to actually attack with 3 on... That's my point lol

[misty veldt]

Ode tempest grapple lowkey funner then duelo as a whole
Imo

[somber bear]

Yeah, but song of growth can make you face tank a boss quite easily lol

[random prism]

And Fellust has been pulled back several times. Just cus one thing is broken does not mean that others should be too. It just means there's more than one thing that needs fixing.

[hybrid pasture]

bromius' op spotlight is now song of growth and passive, not stomp,. but stomp can still work to instant kill cogahs with grace

[boreal forge]

Tbh, we kinda already are in a weird territory with Soulframe

Because the Ode are confirmed being from outer space

[pliant lintel]

yes? and people also want those to be tuned down?

[random prism]

There's a difference between tanking for a few seconds and just killing the boss in a few hits.

In one of those cases, the fight is still going and not just immediately over.

[somber bear]

I'd argue it's a minority asking for nerfs.

[hybrid pasture]

agree

[pliant lintel]

but it'"s a fantasy world, you get ot make your own rules. and in this case, it all seem to be magic based, with no black powder

[somber bear]

A minority that """knows best"""(in their own minds)

[random prism]

They are electric space wizards, yes.

High Fantasy taken to its extreme.

[somber bear]

I trust DE will not make everything in the game hit like a wet noodle while we get one shotted, after all, it's not a soulslike

[boreal forge]

Actually...

Yeah...true

Carmo was a envoy too wasn't she?

[pearl beacon]

Recharge I haven't thought about actually! But yes it's the very long radial CC + damage buff to CCed enemies, the fact that you can CC a group then kill one at a time, and also the heal that lets you just mash heavy attacks whilst it's up 😄 I love her whole design, but it just needs tuning to make focusing on combat still a necessity, I think

[random prism]

You're making a lot of false equivalences here though. The game is meant to be some degree of challenging, and that doesn't immediately mean 'OMG you want it to be a soulslike where you can barely do anything'.

[pliant lintel]

but a lot more people are asking for balance. that's poor faith framing, oreo

[random prism]

Currently, there are a tiny few things that just invalidate any form of difficulty the moment you use them.

[pliant lintel]

like, come on, you are smart, you know better than that

[random prism]

They are win buttons that stand far and above.

[boreal forge]

True!

[random prism]

Those should be reigned back for the health of the game.

[boreal forge]

I actually have such a irk for those arguments about "soulslike"

[random prism]

This isn't meant to be an 'I win' power fantasy like WF.

[boreal forge]

There is a sweet spot for challenge level

[pearl beacon]

Actually common misconception about soulslikes - you don't hit like a wet noodle, you hit for a lot of damage in them! You can kill an elden ring boss in fewer hits than some of soulframe's agari. But the thing about soulslikes is you have to earn each hit, and react to your enemy

[somber bear]

Like I said, I have faith in DE to fix the game's difficulty, I don't think the sollution is to make everything hit like a wet noodle.

[sharp beacon]

Thats very interesting

[random prism]

And nobody ever suggested that.

Literally, nobody, this entire conversation.

[sharp beacon]

I dont think anyone was asking for that actually

[hybrid pasture]

also a major point to point out, we're still on tutorial island, are you sure the actual islands' enemies will be as squishy?

[pearl beacon]

Same, it's the enemies that need to hit us harder and react to us smarter, imo

[random prism]

Not even close.

[somber bear]

I'd actually be fine with that.

[pliant lintel]

they are kind of inavitable since, well, action rpg as a whole jsut got semi erased as a complete genre once soulslike came in and essentially redefined things around them. video game history is messy

[random prism]

Not as black and white as this tbh.

[sharp beacon]

I personally believe the healing should be something you throw on to a specific person or on yourself rather than a big aoe thats locked near you

[random prism]

I call this a soulslite cus its combat, at its base, feels very souls-esque. Monster Hunter is an action RPG.

You cannot tell me that Soulframe and MH are in any way comparable in combat feel.

[somber bear]

Duelo feels like that for me, the radial CC is... Radial, you need to jump in with enemies, and quickly get rid of them while it's still up, it's a dance after all, having that boost in damage helps the clear speed.

[pearl beacon]

I can't wait to try out duelo, just got it crafted last night ⚔️

[somber bear]

Hack 'n' Slash is the right genre

[pliant lintel]

i'm simplyfying for the sake of vulgarisation. i'm not gonna spend half an hour writting novels in here explaining the intricate history of video game genres and subgenre, and their interaction with popular culture.

[sharp beacon]

I actually have problems with the healing being near you it forces you to be nearby your front line dps guys I personally do not like playing healing characters that way

[boreal forge]

Soulframe definitely needs smarter enemies

[random prism]

DMC is a hack and slash.

Still an astronomically different feel.

[pearl beacon]

-# that's a shame because i'd read it lol

[somber bear]

So is Elden Ring, we just got used to calling them Soulslike

[random prism]

Using broad categories that can have vastly different games within them isn't a good one-word comparison.

[hybrid pasture]

simple, call it souls-lite

[random prism]

Saying it's sorta like souls feel can be, as that's the general flavor of action RPG it comes closest to.

[pliant lintel]

i could explain in DM, tho it would be a bit slow cause my lovely partner is coming over and i won't be able to onstantly type XD

[random prism]

Literally what I do lol, as I've explained many times.

The general combat speed and rhythm and motions feels very familiar.

[boreal forge]

Maybe when we start fighting some spellsonged envoys

[hybrid pasture]

other than the stupid double dagger enemies, of all the attack animations, why is there one SUPER SLOW wind up with flukes

[pliant lintel]

oh, yeah, they used to be more agressive too, it's sjut the "shovel balancing " of the alpha mixed with jsut building from the engine of another game that isn't centered around melee

[random prism]

Well yeah, Soulframe is its own game and it'll have differences, ofc. Most of the game is differences.

All I have ever claimed is that calling the basic combat vibes and feel similar to souls is an accurate description.

[somber bear]

Sure does

[random prism]

And that just saying 'no it isn't it's just an action RPG' isn't in good faith.

Because those can play vastly differently.

[somber bear]

Just like Warframe, Soulframe will likely be a genre defining game, just because the team will make a game packed with a ton of different ways to engage with.

[random prism]

Oh that's definitely true.

[pearl beacon]

Oh man I can't wait to get my ass handed to me by the forgetfire legion

[hybrid pasture]

souls-lite-lite

[boreal forge]

You pop into a fight thinking it'll be easy eats

[somber bear]

Soulframe is a Soulframe-like game.

[boreal forge]

"Vorn, the Thrice Scorned" shows up with a corrupted bromius pact and mangles you

[somber bear]

So like, PVP when? 🤔

[pearl beacon]

me every time Vorn shows up

[random prism]

Like if someone asked me how Soulframe felt to play, having never played it, I'd still say kind of like a more casual Elden Ring with vague ESO vibes.

Just to give points of comparison.

[hybrid pasture]

that just ends immeditely with chamariz via duelo bruh

[somber bear]

Headshot from bow before activating your skills or getting in range

[random prism]

Lemme Duelo people, no passives, no arcanics, only skill.

[hybrid pasture]

chamrariz actives from all perfect dodge, and opens you up for finisher

[somber bear]

"oh but rump thump" - Headshot with bow due to extremely telegraphed attack.

[random prism]

Lel.

[boreal forge]

Each time you Smite him you get a 10 minute cutscene about his backstory and how the Ode made him think his family hated him

[somber bear]

I think as long as there is no revenant mesmer skin in the game, PVP can actually be fun

[random prism]

And this is why I said without arcanics.

[boreal forge]

The truth is, Vorn scorned himself

😔✊

[hybrid pasture]

it just becomes who attacks first and get parried and dies

[unborn jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/hopium-hope-pray-prayge-believe-gif-7803262820900562563

[boreal forge]

PvP in soulframe would probably just be people fishing for parries

[somber bear]

Yeah, and then counter-parries, fastest reaction speed wins

[boreal forge]

Whoever attacks first loses

I can't see it working

[random prism]

Charged attack. Remember that I said no passives.

[somber bear]

Needs to be though through, but I sincerely think it can fundamentally work, unlike warframe, that is too fast paced to feel good

[random prism]

I could see just the concept of Duelo itself working, putting both players to some minimal form without any of the passive effects that would make it unplayable.

Hell, just turn parry off if need be, idk, it's not as impossible as many insist.

Sometimes it's just fun to goof around against another player, that's what I did all the time in the Elden arena lmao.

[sturdy geyser]

That reminds me, why did they make it so charged attacks and even kicks can't break certain regular enemies guard

[random prism]

I mean, they can. They do for me at least.

Though I haven't used kick in several preludes.

Charged attacks work fine though.

[sturdy geyser]

The guy with the long shield

[random prism]

Yeah, I charge up my attack and hit him anyway.

Has never failed me.

[sturdy geyser]

Weird, which weapons

[random prism]

Uh, staff, base longblade, cleaver, rapier, single shortblade, sword and shield.

[hybrid pasture]

then dodge and finisher

[random prism]

Those are all the ones I've used recently at least.

[random prism]

Where is this finisher coming from lmao.

[sturdy geyser]

I see

Why not have riposte in pvp

[boreal forge]

Because

[hybrid pasture]

they could add backstabs, or just chamariz's passive without the clones

[random prism]

It feels like you're completely ignoring things I have said.

[hybrid pasture]

Im not

[random prism]

The idea I suggested, half in jest, was for no passives and no arcanics.

[hybrid pasture]

similar to chamariz

[random prism]

And yet you keep pointing to both.

[hybrid pasture]

but without the clone, so its more of a core mechanic instead of a passive

you're just thinking too shalllowly

[random prism]

I'm suggesting ways it could be fun and avoid one-shots and you keep pointing at things that could one-shot that I have already accounted for.

[hybrid pasture]

because if not, then what can counter heavy spammer?

[sturdy geyser]

Dodge?

[random prism]

I mean, not being bad? Backing up?

[boreal forge]

🤨

[random prism]

Dodging and attacking?

[pearl beacon]

a kick spammer:

[hybrid pasture]

then they will keep heavy spamming, how do yo uget in then?

[random prism]

You... hit them.

[sturdy geyser]

Simple dodge and attack is faster than charged attack

[hybrid pasture]

they will hit you first

[boreal forge]

Eat their weapon!

[sturdy geyser]

They wont

Charged attack takes a second

[somber bear]

There is a whole stagger system that throws you off balance if you get hit enough, isn't there?

[random prism]

Skill issue tbh.

[hybrid pasture]

heavy attack can be charged very quickly, it doesn't have to be full

[somber bear]

you can also just press the dodge button to get a perfect dodge.

[boreal forge]

Hmmmm

[sturdy geyser]

The animation is still slower than a light attack

Just try it on your own, and record

[somber bear]

Stamina on pvp, problem solved lol

[sturdy geyser]

Nah

Just look at rapier light attack, it's so fast

[hybrid pasture]

well, even if you do land a light attack, opponent can just keep swinging another heavy, you won't be able to dodge it in time because you're still in ending asnimation, and you get staggered more than they do

[somber bear]

It's ok to have metas in pvp, as long as it can be countered with skill it's fine.

[boreal forge]

Spectral Strike would be faster than another heavy charge wouldn't it?

So dodging could work

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah that's why I said heavy spam isn't all that good

[hybrid pasture]

he kept repeating no passive

[boreal forge]

Perfect dodging i mean

[sturdy geyser]

Look just go ingame and record urself, heavy attacks, charged or not, then light attacks

[hybrid pasture]

plus you can also just dodge out the light attack during a heavy attack, so it also doesn't really work

there's too many animation cancels

[somber bear]

that's good, higher skill ceiling

[hybrid pasture]

no, that's just no punishing for messing up

[boreal forge]

I really don't think we can make PvP work

[random prism]

You cannot instantly dodge out of attacks, they have windows where you are stuck.

[somber bear]

if both players can do the same thing, someone is bound to mess it up

[random prism]

And being hit causes a micro stagger that interrupts you anyway.

[hybrid pasture]

there's no high stake at all in that pvp

[random prism]

You are reaching for anything you possibly can to be contrarian.

Why does it need stakes?

[somber bear]

high APM = high reaction time = bigger chance for mistakes if you're not good at it.

You will be rolling, defending and looking for a window to attack on the opponent

[random prism]

Two players can quite easily be rendered into such a state that PvP could be both vaguely balanced and enjoyable.

Will it happen? Who knows. Does it need to? Not at all. Would some people find it fun? Very likely, me included.

[hybrid pasture]

tell, would it even worth their time investing into so many mechanics to a gamemode that may flop?

[somber bear]

I don't think DE will do PvP btw, I just think it'd be a fun chaotic thing to try it out

[sturdy geyser]

I have yet to test the radiation status on other envoys

[somber bear]

No need to invest time, just put two players in the same area, make them enemies and remove abilities, the scripts for it are all there already lol

[random prism]

Is it worth investing into literally anything that has a remote chance of flopping, such as many PvE activities in WF that got left behind?

This is a disingenuous argument.

[pearl beacon]

It works, you can kill other envoys lol

[hybrid pasture]

tell that to conclave and lunaro

[sturdy geyser]

Yeah? I'd love see it ngl

[pearl beacon]

I think @lost grove tested it and might have the video? (sorry if it wasn't you manaia)

[random prism]

This amuses me.

[sturdy geyser]

I remember speaking to him about it

[somber bear]

Conclave was fun at the beginning, where everything was slower paced and not as OP. Dark sectors where REALLY fun and high stakes.

[boreal forge]

Wait

What?

Radiation?

[random prism]

There's a dungeon agari that inflicts radiation procs.

[sturdy geyser]

You know the enemies that carry around blue torches?

[random prism]

Same as WF's radiation proc, enabling team damage.

[somber bear]

Surpriiiise, the WF Damage types are in soulframe, some are renamed, others are not 🎉

[sharp beacon]

I guess they just had enough of eachother

[boreal forge]

Oh my goodness...

[sturdy geyser]

Lmaoo

[pearl beacon]

Yeah the damage type, though it has no official SF name yet https://wiki.avakot.org/Damage#???

[boreal forge]

I knew the games used the same engine

[somber bear]

I was about to link that one @pearl beacon

[boreal forge]

I didn't expect Soulframe to quite literally be built on Warframe's skeleton...

[somber bear]

I think they're building as much as they can reusing stuff to speed up the process

[sturdy geyser]

He got one tapped at full hp

That's barely 300damage right

Cleavers is like, 150 or smth

[somber bear]

yeah, some Damage attenuation wold be needed for pvp, just like conclave

it's the difference between a dojo fight and actual conclave lol

[boreal forge]

Hear me out!

[sturdy geyser]

Wonder if that means damage is also 1to1 with enemy weapons and damage

[boreal forge]

Bird PvP!

[random prism]

Lmao.

[sturdy geyser]

Yesss infinitely bumping into each other

[somber bear]

How about map PVP ? mhmmm?

[random prism]

Suddenly... crab orange?

[somber bear]

that looks pretty cool actually wtf :l

[sturdy geyser]

Nice mohawk

[boreal forge]

I kinda wish the game had a lance weapon

[random prism]

Same. Big spear good.

Much stab lots.

[somber bear]

Vasp is like... Almost there

[sturdy geyser]

I'm sure de will shower us with grip types

[random prism]

I would play the heck out of a spear-subtype of polearm.

[boreal forge]

Grip...types...

[random prism]

Where you just got great big stabs.

[somber bear]

There's a big fork though

[random prism]

Yeh Duhk is a bident and would totally have that subtype.

[somber bear]

closest thing to a speak is the Duuuuuhkkk Haliiccc

[random prism]

Lemme stab people.

[boreal forge]

Oh, true

We do only have sharp and blunt damage types rn for physical

[lost grove]

DUHK HALIC!

[somber bear]

It'd be nice if Duhk Halic had special throw multipliers

[boreal forge]

It'd be nice if

[somber bear]

and dealt less damage on sweeping attacks

[somber bear]

while more on poky ones

[random prism]

We have 3 base longblade variants now.

We even have a damn staff variant.

Where are the polearm variants.

[boreal forge]

You throw spear, Ichor spills forth, I drink all of it

[somber bear]

we must pray for Combat Manuals to rework the entire use for grip types

[random prism]

Yeah I'm looking forward to that overhaul.

[boreal forge]

We just get to use Staffs as Polearms with it lol

[random prism]

I just want to mount an Ode on a pike.

Give me a large stabbing object.

[pearl beacon]

The sheer amount of hope I have hingeing on this one single image...

[somber bear]

lmao

the future of the game, hinges on that image.

[sturdy geyser]

We better get something better

Cause that's just what we already have

[somber bear]

JK, P15 is the make or break moment

[boreal forge]

It is kinda just learning skills instead of spending points in them

[somber bear]

They said something about "making each player unique" so...

[boreal forge]

Eeeeh

[random prism]

I heard something about skills being more collectible and not in a bunch of divided skill trees.

[boreal forge]

Ye

You do some fables to learn the moves instead

[orchid holly]

anybody have extra code plz

[pearl beacon]

Lmao funny trivia about this image, they accidentally left 'Nimrod' written in Silistyl in the bottom right

[pearl beacon]

you're technically not allowed to ask here but you can feel free to grab one off the front page of the wiki! or if you want it straight from DE, everyone gets a free code for watching this live: https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218

[distant bane]

its true

[orchid holly]

ok thankx

[boreal forge]

Oh, I actually forgot you need a code to play this game...

[random prism]

Lmao.

This amused me.

[somber bear]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[boreal forge]

I had my thingamajig registered so long ago

When they first announced it I think?

[somber bear]

Saaaaam can we please have avadumpy here :)

[random prism]

I got in through the tennocon wave. I don't remember when I made an account.

I noticed late too so I only joined during later P10.

[somber bear]

what?

[lost grove]

Nimrod.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/rakai-read-rakai-rakai-reading-rakai-meme-gif-11817065325016542832

[boreal forge]

Big grape

Actually

Harvesting!

[somber bear]

they actually exist, my who worl has @sturdy geyser

[boreal forge]

Farm system

Plant!

Fish!
Plant!

Gives up Envoy life, becomes farmer

[pliant lintel]

i do wonder whan it's gonna be implemented. probably not for a while tho, likely because they kinda need to figure out how they want to handle combat and it's connectng mechanics before they allow us to customize

[limpid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/developer-we-have-a-bug-gif-9159002844106963379

[pliant lintel]

what? a bug, in my ALPHA??? scandalous!

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/rakai-read-rakai-rakai-reading-rakai-meme-gif-11817065325016542832

[somber bear]

feeling like playing Kingdom Come Deliverance ll

[dapper gorge]

GToDEFPaS.

[sturdy geyser]

hello stew

[random prism]

Honestly some weapons could be balanced around customizable moveset variation. Instead of Duhk being objectively weaker than Gathannan, they could give it like, move preferences, doing a bit more on stabs and less on slashes, as Oreo suggested, while Gath, a halberd, would be better at chopping motions, and each move we can customize into a combo would just be tagged for what kind of move it is.

That way a weapon could be better or worse for you depending on what moves you prefer to put on it.

But that's a shot in the dark cus idk how much more work that'd involve compared to what they actually plan.

Given that I also do not know what that is, lol.

[sturdy geyser]

well yeah weapons need to be more than just numbers

it's a melee-based rpg, they need to do that

[random prism]

Like if we get moveset customization I'ma put together a pure stab combo cus it's funny.

And it'd make sense for Duhk to do more in that instance.

[sturdy geyser]

london simulator?

[random prism]

Duhk has the pollution part down, might as well mirror the culture.

Hue, huehue.

[sturdy geyser]

give us nimrod's stab attack too

[random prism]

Make scrolls containing moves a rare drop so you can farm Nimmy's moveset.

That could be funny.

Learn from slaughtering him repeatedly.

A bunch of slow big boy stabs.

[frail lynx]

i just wish paragon would make you unscrew and throw its pommel instead of throwing the whole weapon

that would make me jump through all the hoops in order for DE to actually accept my money

[onyx schooner]

Discord api is down

Or having problems for a lot of people

[stray swift]

Mine is slowly coming back to normal now

[onyx schooner]

Same but it’s still annoying

[night girder]

yuh, can't even see my own profile lol

[frosty ore]

who broke the discord machine

who broke it?

I'm not mad. just wanna know.

[analog plover]

discord did

[hardy oyster]

It seems to be coming back at least

[onyx schooner]

It back

[hardy oyster]

Still can't start screensharing

Was gonna screenshare with a friend v_v

[onyx schooner]

Finally some thing will still not work but hey u can message again and vc now

[hardy oyster]

Yeah it's something

[oblique pawn]

🙂

[frosty ore]

careful not to let a dog at it.

i've had a good few things of mine chewed up / eaten that way

[hardy oyster]

Ooh nice!

[analog plover]

wooo naito gets to play soulframe now!

[oblique pawn]

Gonna bring it to Tennocon to get some autographs probably

[frosty ore]

plot twist: cool!
-# nuh uh

[nova spade]

So uhhh can any of you just show me where the wreacked ships are please?
I forgor

[hybrid pasture]

erm... what settings should I change, flintlock just blinds me every time I fire

[white otter]

particles off maybe?

[carmine pagoda]

#1495132168228180138 message

[hybrid pasture]

hm

[white otter]

particles be higher up

[nova spade]

I appreciate it ❤️

[hybrid pasture]

which one though

hm

[white otter]

whichever can be turned completely off

[hybrid pasture]

nuhb uhhh

[white otter]

huh

[slow acorn]

we back

[hybrid pasture]

is discord dying or smth

[slow acorn]

were only certain regions impacted??

cos on Discord Canary it was up for me but no one was replying lol

plus my alt account by choice is in only 3 or 4 servers so

[lost grove]

Does anyone else think dual stat Prisms really suck atm?

[white otter]

no

granted i don't touch minmaxing even with a long ass stick

[gray torrent]

Seems so

[hardy oyster]

Oh even sicker! You'll have to show if you get some

[gray torrent]

Its the one im using most rn but the ''all rounded'' prism seems the best for me

Using Oro's ranger atm most of time

[hybrid pasture]

a little bit, but that's more of due to fable virtue boost and envoy ranks, you may or may not get the right amount you wanted, especially that I want 2 stats to me the exact same but its very hard to do so

[gray torrent]

Tbh my problem with prisms rn is that i just dont change them too much. Its either unnecessary or boring to do so

[lost grove]

I just use the extreme one that my gear scales with and I get the highest stats.

[gray torrent]

But i like the Prism mechanic. Just with it would be more interactive with other mechanics instead of just ''pick one''

[white otter]

well ye you can have enough virtue points to the point where you don't really need to change at all

[frigid light]

how do i get a soulframe key

[hybrid pasture]

are you even making different loadouts?

[white otter]

pinned messages have info on that

[white otter]

i ain't 👀

[frigid light]

i dont see anything in pinned

[hybrid pasture]

well then you have it

[gray torrent]

For armors, weapons, etc yes, but not for the prisms

[hybrid pasture]

you WANT to change prism according to your pact, weapons and armour, unless you want to intentionally cripple yourself

[white otter]

oh.... damn ok so that "Momentary Discords Downfall" removed pinned messages ok...

[lost grove]

Like, if I'm using the MK set it scales with Courage and Spirit. But if I use the Courage/Spirit Prism, I get less damage/armour than the extreme Courage Prism.

[white otter]

#spoiler-chat message
this message has all the info

[hybrid pasture]

it just depends on your build you're looking for

[gray torrent]

My prism is Paladine and im using the +4 grace talisman to keep any kind of grace requirement always on target, while i full focus on Courage/Spirit

But most of time i max out the +stats on pacts, so maybe that's it too

[lost grove]

In this example, the only downside is that I lose 6 Magick armour, but I gain 12 Physical armour. There is no point here to use dual stat.

[hybrid pasture]

best example is probably duelo, since rn its really the only pact that can work with any combination of virtue for its arcanics

[gray torrent]

Hmmm fair

[hybrid pasture]

like, no one's gonna use grace oscelda 💀

[gray torrent]

Btw what pact you guys are using most/having most fun rn?

[hybrid pasture]

duelo ofc, nothing even comes close, you get very rewarded for dodging
also mora's hand for arson

[white otter]

all of em

except tethren, and if i do use that one, i don't use fellust

[gray torrent]

xD

I just started Ode Tempest but i was loving use Garren's Rod pact

[hybrid pasture]

should mora's hand's ember adds duration as you kill or you take hits?

[gray torrent]

Bromius was fun too

[hybrid pasture]

does bromius' 2 even exists?

[gray torrent]

Dunno. This pact its the one you ''burn yourself'' to have fire dmg r?

[gray torrent]

I mean...its nice to steal armor with the dot

[hybrid pasture]

well, rn ember doesn't last very long

[hybrid pasture]

your passive does it better though

[white otter]

you get the buff from that just by having the ability up, don't need to be actually burning anymore iirc

[hybrid pasture]

you get hungry flame from touching envoiourmental fire, get hit by fire, or cast ember(2), and the buff will last 25s I think

[gray torrent]

Btw the Stag's polearm just dropped if i kill the Koga Stag version?

[hybrid pasture]

"Koga"

[gray torrent]

Kogah*

[surreal basalt]

Cogah

[hybrid pasture]

that's not correct either 😭

[rare socket]

cogah cola

[gray torrent]

Ah

xD mb

[hybrid pasture]

Kolgate

[gray torrent]

Anyway, the polearm fragmetns are just from the Cogah version? Or the normal one also drop it?

[ripe grotto]

Normal drops it too

[hybrid pasture]

any stag

[ripe grotto]

Only loot that is Cogah Exclusive is the Talismans and Runes

[surreal basalt]

That one is also with a C

[oblique pawn]

Any vadagar stag can drop Gathannon partz

[gray torrent]

tyty

[oblique pawn]

However, the drops are fairly rare

[ripe grotto]

Yea, I got 1 fragment today after like 15 stag kills

[gray torrent]

Ohhhh oka oka ty

[ripe grotto]

Keeps dropping the chest and helmet

[sterile wraith]

hello fellow soulframers!!

[gray torrent]

Same here

[sterile wraith]

Wyld Wulder When?

[hybrid pasture]

The Ivor

[ripe grotto]

We should be able to craft 100 Wasp-IV fragments into a Wyld Wasp

[surreal basalt]

Would a wyld wulder whoosh

[rare socket]

if a wylder wulder would woosh

[surreal basalt]

It's wild when wyld wulder whooshes

[sterile wraith]

never gonna accept that....

[hybrid pasture]

I can't tell what type of bow Starling is....
it got arrow hail, so should be a light hunting bow, but its draw time is the same as Avex, a heavy war bow

[ripe grotto]

The women weep when the wyld wulder wooshes wildly

[rare socket]

*wulder

[hybrid pasture]

where's wulder

[rare socket]

kith drops it i think

[sterile wraith]

thisle ofc if you are going off of the starter weapons

[hybrid pasture]

the draw time is slower than thistle

[sterile wraith]

ivor is wulder, starling is thistle, alder is gwylen

[ripe grotto]

I just hope we'll be able to reforge weapons to higher tiers, I need my Igna Mora boosted to the max!

[rare socket]

kinda wish blitzel had that explosive shot archers use

[hybrid pasture]

Eldore

[sterile wraith]

but still... i need wyld wulder

[oblique pawn]

It has the same draw time as other non-avex bows pretty sure

[hybrid pasture]

that's the buff Fenn Jotan used to give you when you pull smite him in the undercity

[oblique pawn]

Was your testing with Thistle last prelude by chance?

P13?

[surreal basalt]

Wyld gimmick when consuming related smite color

[rare socket]

well, he'd give u a more powerful version of Igne Mora for a bit, with explosive throws

[ripe grotto]

Oh, same as Paragon?

[surreal basalt]

Afaik yeah but only with the single stone each weapon has (paragon has all 3)

[hybrid pasture]

so like, what kind of bow starling is

[oblique pawn]

Odd. Never noticed that much of a difference in draw times...might have been added this prelude then

[daring magnet]

not enough for me to care

[hybrid pasture]

its still 0.2s more, that's 20%

[lost grove]

I lost my weapon :(

[ripe grotto]

Fantasy Bow made with Don't-think-about-it physics

[daring magnet]

middle click?

[sterile wraith]

still, could just be starting weapon analogs regardless of stats

[buoyant tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-disney-mushu-eddie-murphy-i-live-gif-3560203

Who the hell are all of these new names?!

[oblique pawn]

👀

People who joined since you took a nap

[buoyant tulip]

Can't even hibernate for a few months without waking up into a completely diff world

[rare socket]

who dis?

[sterile wraith]

so when the next flinglebert dropping?

[buoyant tulip]

I am the one and only

Remember me sweetheart, because my name is your key to heaven

[sterile wraith]

you're new?

[frosty ore]

getting isekai'd mid sleep be like:

[buoyant tulip]

As new as your great grandmother's jewellery

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/azumi-overlord-azumi-azumiiichan-how-to-read-gif-18374766582229364029

[buoyant tulip]

Been here since early single digit preludes sugar

[frosty ore]

so ancient that new people can't comprehend

[buoyant tulip]

But I'd wake up as a lowly peasant w my luck

[frosty ore]

true...very true

[sterile wraith]

same bro, how long have you slept?

[buoyant tulip]

Um depends which part of it was sleep and which part was coma

🤷

[frosty ore]

does it matter?

[sterile wraith]

https://giphy.com/gifs/amos-briggs-dexter-stare-cowboy-762AnGZpdvFMoLBhtt

[buoyant tulip]

Not really I haven't been so rested in my life

Put me back

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-coma-wriogifs-gif-4586647766923608943

[sterile wraith]

bro loves having no responsabilities

same though

[buoyant tulip]

I love responsibilities

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/feed-the-void-black-cat-snack-hungry-cat-hungry-gif-306965068353833327

[buoyant tulip]

But I don't have power to solve them is the issue

[sterile wraith]

we love feeding the void

[buoyant tulip]

I actually do I'm just lazy

https://tenor.com/view/izu-shaboten-animal-park-capybara-hot-springs-hot-tub-soak-gif-16689912

[frosty ore]

not to mention the people that have the power to solve a lot of problems just choose not to

[white otter]

holy moly issa capy

[buoyant tulip]

See?

People here know me

I told you!

[frosty ore]

gotta do an og rollcall at some point lol

[buoyant tulip]

The question is...am I the same capy

[sterile wraith]

we can all be lazy sometimes... which is okay! as long as we can get ourselves together in the end, even if it is with someones help, everything will be alright!

[buoyant tulip]

Or...have I been replaced...possessed perhaps?

Hmmm interesting questions being asked

[frosty ore]

time will tell i suppose.
-# rap tap tap

[buoyant tulip]

I like to think of myself as a puzzle where I ate half of the pieces

[frosty ore]

The other half being in random spots lol

[buoyant tulip]

I like your way of thinking

Whatever you meant by it

[hybrid pasture]

what are you? grendeel?

[frosty ore]

trust me it takes a lot to fully decipher my way of thinking.
sometimes it's readable and sometimes it's like figuring out the Fibonacci sequence on your own without any tools.

not to mention my handwriting lol

[hybrid pasture]

dream of a doctor? are you now

[frosty ore]

lol, should I ever be a doctor I'm going to be brutal with diagnosing people

[hybrid pasture]

a joker?

[lost grove]

The image at the end of The Waste Bear has the Envoy's pact arm on the wrong side.

[frosty ore]

Wevetsap is one hell of a drug

even the pacts aren't immune to it

[lost grove]

Also, when the sparrow separates from the mouse, I'm pretty sure they are smaller than they are supposed to be?

[ripe grotto]

Other Devs: Fixes the mistake
DE: Rolls with it, and uses it as a plot device 5 years later, when it's revealed we actually saw that through the mirror of Mystery and it was "planned all along" 😛

[frosty ore]

Idea: everytime we summon our guide bird(floppet for those who use it) it should be a random size and slightly different every summon

why: mental torture

[ripe grotto]

Floppet has seen things... 😂

[frosty ore]

Floppet will never recover from it

ever

[candid pawn]

i would like a bird toggle, just have if flapping like a compass in the direction we gotta go

have the downside be that it breaks stealth. i think it already does, but a chirping bird would probably draw attention

[frosty ore]

soulframe is a stealth game?

I see no data vaults.

[ripe grotto]

Soulframe indeed has stealth, and it's hilarious 😂

[frosty ore]

Bro got flashbanged.

didn't stand a chance

[ripe grotto]

These guys have the same level of spatial awareness as Skyrim NPCs

[frosty ore]

reminds me of that one clip I've seen lol

[hybrid pasture]

hole in one

[hybrid pasture]

v

[random prism]

That is certainly an image.

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/kakashi-secret-technique-gif-22112807

[random prism]

Ode getting a knife up the butt.

[hybrid pasture]

well tbf, getting concussion grenade'd is not a fun experience

[frosty ore]

speaking from experience?

[ripe grotto]

A bit of tinnitus never hurt anyone.

[frosty ore]

least it ain't tetanus

[hybrid pasture]

pretty much same feeling misstep a step on a stair, or getting push off a plane without a heads up

or just pass out with a clear mind and walking

[ripe grotto]

"misstep a step on a stair, " in what direction? Cause I do that all the time, when walking up stairs. Then nearly trips over 😛

[hybrid pasture]

not up

down.

[frosty ore]

can't fall down stairs if you're already at the bottom of the stairs

[white otter]

what stairs?

[ripe grotto]

The 7000 steps to The Throat of the World!

[frosty ore]

*gravity has now been inverted

[ripe grotto]

Parries Gravity and stays grounded

[frosty ore]

Insanitor has been consumed by the core of the world...

[ripe grotto]

Gonna Parry that too!

Everything can be parried, if you just try hard enough... I may have played to much V.A Proxy 😅

[frosty ore]

I mean it's possible to deflect a fast pitch in baseball with your hand. your hand will hate you for it though.

[random prism]

I'm not sure sustaining bodily injury counts as a parry.

It hit you, it just bounced after.

That doesn't mean it didn't hit you.

Any way you can touch a baseball moving at high speeds without protection is gonna hurt you in some way.

[frosty ore]

notice i said deflect and not parry.
-# they're different i just checked

[random prism]

Well yeah but I used context.

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[wispy dagger]

Does anyone have a spare invite code? 😄

[frosty ore]

Survive the gauntlet and you'll get one
-# maybe

[frosty juniper]

7 Burgers...7 Burgers is all i can spare

[wispy dagger]

SADNESS i wanna join my friends on it

[frosty juniper]

If I had one i would have gave it to ya

[frosty ore]

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014350836400218 maybe tune in

maybe, just maybe do that

[wispy dagger]

Ill try to catch the stream!

[candid pawn]

make sure you link your twitch and soulframe account first

[wispy dagger]

Oh yeah i linked it just in case i caught a stream!

[frosty ore]

btw if you miss it we are legally allowed to laugh at you
-# just kidding

[frosty juniper]

Guys how do I fight that duelo captain again ?

Only fought her while in the quest but want to get her armors too

[inner spoke]

I was literally just coming in here to give a code away to the first person I felt like.

Check your DMs

[random prism]

It doesn't seem super consistent, but upon logging in a random amount of shipwrecks on the island will spawn swords, identically to how you find in the fable. Put the ribbon back on your head and interact with one of those swords.

They reset like, 2 hours, 3 hours, some amount of time after you do them, and every instance of it has a separate CD.

[frosty juniper]

Can I relog and maybe it will spawn near this place I'm at ? Mirifuir atm

[random prism]

I know there's a shipwreck sorta close to their along the northern coast.

You can check that one.

The shipwrecks do not move, but they may or may not have a sword at them.

And that chance is rolled again on every relog.

[pliant lintel]

find shipwrecks with a sword planted in the sand, then equip the ribbon to redo a fight. 30 m inute cooldown

[frosty juniper]

Does a log out and log in method work or not ?

[random prism]

Definitely not 30 minutes from most reports lol. It seems to perhaps be 3 hours but buggy?

[frosty juniper]

Or do I have to run all over the map ?

[random prism]

The most common reported recharge time I've seen is 2 hours.

[pliant lintel]

they were always 30 minutes for me, unless it got broken in the alst patch or something

[random prism]

But when you check one early, it may or may not be ready before it should be.

[white otter]

Actually good question yeah does relogging change the swords positions?

[frosty juniper]

Yes...if that works that would help

[random prism]

Like I'm pretty sure Little Genius just outright reads the time and it isn't accurate to its own timer or something.

Something I heard.

[random prism]

They can, yes, it isn't a guarantee that each viable shipwreck has a sword.

On relog, swords randomly populate viable locations.

[white otter]

Hmhm

[frosty juniper]

I guess i will just wait for a mount update then 💀

after that i will start getting her armors

[white otter]

Weak

[frosty juniper]

Not really lol
just got bored

[white otter]

Exactly

[frosty juniper]

We desperately need a mount lmfao

[analog plover]

i dont need a mount with my mid air roll boost tech

[random prism]

I still say people are too used to free TPs everywhere in other games. I timed it myself and the map is, at its longest, about 7 minutes and 50 seconds long, from SW to NE. After walls it's still probably below 8 and a half minutes.

[frosty juniper]

wut ?

hopefully mounts come sooner than later

[analog plover]

this

[frosty juniper]

pre 16 i think it was

[random prism]

Not you tryna recreate bullet jumping lmao.

[analog plover]

so far i have bulln’t jump and double jump

[inner spoke]

I just think we need like a mount. A cool wolf, like the one from the quest maybe.

[random prism]

I'm still of the opinion that the TP system we have is unnecessary and the mount that's coming eventually would've been able to sustain people's travel needs all on its own.

The island is not large.

If you play regularly you start hoarding a pile of the seeds that you just do not use as fast as you get.

Unless you obsessively TP everywhere even a quarter of the map away.

At which point you're spending them to literally save yourself about a minute.

[inner spoke]

for now

[frosty juniper]

Finally found her and fought her...glad it's 1 fragment for each part....is it right ?

cooldown is 2 to 3 hours was it ?

[inner spoke]

Isn't this just "tutorial island" but big

[random prism]

Somewhere in there but likely bugged in some way cus it's been reported to be all kinds of times.

It doesn't seem consistent.

[frosty juniper]

Guess i will just do it the other day then

[random prism]

I can say no more than 2 hours, probably, and certainly no more than 3.

[frosty juniper]

1 armor per day no rush really :V

[white otter]

Sorta kinda yes

[sharp iron]

Do all the pacts have some kind of special attack feature like how using spirit sight with the hand of mora let's you just straight up wield the igne mora? And if Duelo specifically has one what is it and how do I use it?

[random prism]

No, this is a bug, and also purely detrimental.

Using the first and second skill defaults you to an incorrect weapon while holding spirit vision.

This makes it impossible to use rune charges and also just does god awful damage.

It's fixed by using your third skill, though is still annoying enough that I'm just avoiding it for now.

[sharp iron]

Oh.... well damn and here I thought it was a cool feature, for me it does great damage if not at least good stagger

[random prism]

Sounds like your fighting enemies at like, level 2.

[sharp iron]

Nah currently 40

[random prism]

At 30 I go from 2-3 hits to kill to like, 8 or more.

Nonetheless, yeah that's just an annoying bug.

Been using Duelo as my leveling pact instead.

[ripe scarab]

There's something really satisfying about using the Duhk Halic... about kicking their asses with the same weapon they used to corrupt the World Trees.

[fervent bloom]

lately I have been making tannons as a class in games.

[delicate knoll]

Bro does it normally take hours to farm one or two sappheline or am I doing something wrong

[ripe scarab]

Sapphelines are tricky, it's true... but it's them Gossamer Quartz that drive me up a wall

[latent rock]

where do u find the quartz

[feral acorn]

Hi, I’m new here. A friend recommended this to me, but I need an invitation to play. Could you help me and provide me with an invite?

[random prism]

Deer of the rock, tell me your wisdom.

[wanton cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-i-like-that-boulder-that-is-a-nice-boulder-boulder-gif-24468315

[stark hedge]

#envoy-gathering message

[tidal gust]

very good

[serene kayak]

does soulframe send you a confirmation email for signing up for notifs?

i threw a "+soul" in my email like i often do with websites i sign up for things on

and i wanna make sure i get emails if i get prelude

[rain pewter]

Hey guys! I want to buy one of the three virtuous wylds. Which one do you recommend?

Thank you!

🙂

[blissful hamlet]

either Tethren or Oscelda

[lost grove]

You can always "trial" them by trying out the non-Wylds pacts. Otherwise, it's all based on visual preference.

[rain pewter]

Thank you!!

🙏

[visual wagon]

Did you link your soulframe account to your twitch account? Did you watch for minimum 30 minutes?
Did you claim the twitch drop if you did watch for 30 minutes?
@blissful pewter

[burnt flame]

[lost grove]

This is the max Envoy armour setup. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

[ripe scarab]

The Crypt of the Circade is often a good farming place. The broken statues you repair with music also drop them sometimes.

[ripe scarab]

I chose Sirin and haven’t regretted it, despite the many times I die daily.

[fervent bloom]

i find votives a good way to get mats.

[whole fossil]

can the wyld pacts only be obtained rn from buying them? (for now) i have wyld oscelda but would be interested in grinding the other wyld pacts

[ripe scarab]

I think the Wyld Pacts can only be bought.

[restive coyote]

for now, yes

[analog plover]

yep, Wyld pacts are only avaliable with founders purchases, but after founders is closed (and after some development time presumably), they will be avaliable in the "free path"

[random prism]

The wyld stuff will be available to farm sometime after founders ends, which will probably be sometime this year.

How long after I do not know, for they would need to add logical sources of them.

[analog plover]

in my head, i feel like it will be either from mirifuir or when ever we rescue Alora

which the latter is still very TBD

[slow acorn]

You are really speculating there best not to speculate...

just be patient & wait not saying your not wrong either

(not agreeing OR disagreeing)

we do need gifting though for the paragon & the others I want ot buy them for friends let me do it DE!

def feel like it's been overdue for that imo

[analog plover]

imho p16 should really include player trading, esp with the full loot rework slated for p15

[slow acorn]

hmm we will see

I mean like how u can gift games on gog or um humble bundle

u can send them in the email

that's waht I want

let me buy them on/via paypal & then send them a code to my friend

[analog plover]

ohhh yeah true

[random prism]

Yeah I have no clue when they're gonna be able to add trading lol.

Would definitely be interesting to see though.

Wait no you speak of buying the pack.

The identical name does cause confusion.

I do wonder when they'll be able to roll out trading though.

[analog plover]

even just a fragment sell kiosk lol

i have no use for 100+ bodkins and vasps

[plush rose]

back bois

[tender plinth]

nice

for some reason my soulframe has been getting really slow lately

[whole fossil]

with the way virtue scaling works for damage specifically is it more viable to scale for whatever virture you want and or the oriented scaling of the weapon or amor (green, blue, red) cuz i remember red used to be the damage increase, blue was crit or something and green was magic damage/cooldown. i do know red gives the most hp increase out of the 3. green gives cdr. and i think blue still increases crit damage. also the ability scaling still scales off the corresponding color right?

[tender plinth]

system monitor said it was eating 9 gigs of ram in the login screen

[plush rose]

hwhattt

[tender plinth]

yeah, the wonders of linux and something not working properly.
when everything works its usually 100x better than on windows (IMO) but when something is broken its like trying to find a needle in a haystack

[plush rose]

i can imagine lol

[tender plinth]

I do think its just that theres some thing that didnt want to update last time I ran system update

[rare socket]

When is the next devstream btw?

[tender plinth]

not atleast in this month

2 envoy hours are marked in the events

dunno how far ahead they post their calendars on twitch but that might show

[analog plover]

i mean we generally have a devstream every month unless im mistaken

might be another double feature with the warframe team

[rare socket]

I know there might be a part at tennocon for Soulframe, but that's like a while away right?

[random prism]

May not be linux, I've been noticing SF consuming a good deal more RAM than usual for a while.

[analog plover]

yeah thats in july

[random prism]

It just went way up one day and has been keeping that trend.

[tender plinth]

good to know

[random prism]

I saw at least one other person mention it, I forget who.

But it's been a little concerning.

Overworld used to hold a steady like, 2-3 gigs of vram?

Yesterday it was hovering around 6.3.

Which is concerning cus I have like, 8.

And MH Wilds doesn't even consume that much.

SF definitely shouldn't be.

[tender plinth]

yeah sf shouldnt eat that much power but still seems to do that which is kinda annoying

[random prism]

And it didn't used to.

[tender plinth]

hopefully they optimise the heck out of it for lower end pcs

[random prism]

I wouldn't even call myself that low, I have a laptop but still a 4060.

I leave upscaling on to run cooler, and even with that it breaks 6 gigs of vram.

That doesn't feel right.

[tender plinth]

because rn my 3-5 years old pc with 3060ti should by all means be able to perform up to a certain standard

also why is soulframe currently using 84% of my cpu wth

and it crashed

[tender plinth]

hopefully when they eventually release it on steam it just works out of the box on linux

[celest slate]

Rip Spirit

[ripe scarab]

What do y’all’s Envoys look like?

[random prism]

Only the friendliest friend that ever friended, and a completely trustworthy person.

Just look at that smile.

It wouldn't lie to you.

[ripe scarab]

No lies detected whatsoever

[rare socket]

buzzcut really adds to da ode conscript look

[rare socket]

yeah, Aurel is definitely France

look at the lore of Gwylen

[fervent bloom]

i have not taken a screenshot yet, mine looks like an ode'n

[frosty ore]

Absolutely nothing happened in this message.

[split hill]

She's deulo, Maestra,

[frosty ore]

cool!
-# (I know nothing about that game)

[split hill]

a duelist, with a gun, and can make shadow copies of herself

[latent rock]

i went for like shewolf witcher

[latent rock]

good dont

[split hill]

its bad for your wallet. 0/10 wouldn't recommend

[latent rock]

ye and you normalize its predatory mechanics by playing it

[frosty ore]

not as bad as youtube ads

i will absolutely say that.

[split hill]

no ethical consumption under capitalism. I'll never recommend it but I will play it. Just like a smoker, I will always recomend against it but I'mhere and engaging in it myself

[rare socket]

bruh i jsut saw vid on yt ads, and how they got rid of creators abiliy to customize their adds, added pause adds for the tv, and even removed ad protection for teachers imbedding vids in canva

[frosty ore]

mhm

dont even get me started on the amount of leeway ads have compared to other videos. That's a whole other thing that I dont wanna get into.

[soft lintel]

Hi guys, started a couple days ago. How do you swap your target lock? I keep getting swarmed by melee enemies and can't get the game to swap to targets I'm looking at so get hit a lot.

[solid fable]

there isn't really a clean way to switch targets right now

i think there was a way to block and attack towards the enemy to get the focus on them but i'm not sure if it's still reliable

[frosty ore]

blocking is the best we have rn

[soft lintel]

Ok, I'll give that a go then, thank you. The game would really benefit from a tab targetting system or something if they need to add one later. It's my only complaint so far, otherwise really good experience.

[frosty ore]

It's better than nothing I say

[latent rock]

ye you the problem

[split hill]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-nice-grafic-gif-13206845596055018221

[solid fable]

let's not get too political please

[low geode]

i think avakot should let me get the resources i want for 0 dracs. not bc i’m broke but bc my partner spends too much time in regatta

[short valley]

Do I blow $100 on Paragon

[winter steeple]

real

[winter steeple]

depends

water broke

[short valley]

The fomo is getting to me. This feels like heirloom mag and frost all over again

I will stay strong

[winter steeple]

it not like that at all

we know, explicitly, that the wyld pacts will be available without purchase at some point in the future

[amber epoch]

what's the MO part of the FOMO? everything in the founders pack "should" be accessible at a later date.

[short valley]

The Greatsword. That's it.

It's silly but it felt significant at the moment

[olive star]

greatsword will be tradeable

[frosty ore]

maybe dont use duhk halic so much? Ichor is a bit weird after all

[winter steeple]

If it makes you feel better, i will personally give you a free copy of my paragon

[short valley]

Yes but it would have someone else's name on it

[olive star]

and?

[short valley]

😭

[amber epoch]

Founders are supposed to be able to gift the greatsword at a later date specifically because they don't want another "excalibur prime situation"

[winter steeple]

you dont like my name? i think its a good name

[short valley]

It's a lovely name

[split hill]

someone responding to this with a flag is

[winter steeple]

thanks, my parents got it for me. sort of a birthday present i guess

[amber epoch]

if this is the issue then idk what else to say, if you want to give DE $100 to support the game and get some goodies as a bonus then sure w/e, but if you want to drop $100 so a sword you can get later won't have someone else's name on it idk what to tell you.

[split hill]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[short valley]

Idk what to tell me either

[lilac isle]

umm

[split hill]

that's just ode'n polution in the bad timeline where welose

[short valley]

Thank you

[winter steeple]

is a gold sword with your name on it worth 100 bucks to you? It was worth it for me, but i had an extra hundred bucks at the time, and i want to support DE anyway

[solid fable]

you're allowed to have different priorities when it comes to these things, or just purchasing stuff in general
it's fine if it's important for you to have a sword with your own name on it

[lilac isle]

pfff

[winter steeple]

it may be a little vain, but were all allowed a little ego now and then

[solid fable]

i'm just going to let it blow over, it usually does...
i'd rather not have to warn people for using emotes, so this is a general reminder not to abuse them 🥹

[amber epoch]

I mean I guess the only important question is if there $100 less in your bank account how much of an impact if at all would that have? If it's little to none.... fk it I guess. On the other hand depending on where you live that's 150-200 tacos worth of money... are you hungry for tacos or a sweet ass greatsword?

[short valley]

I think the issue for me is I want to support the game, but I'm not sure what DE's intentions are about the game going forward. If the sword is the limit to what an "exclusive" could be then yes I'll get it. If not, then no

[winter steeple]

if only they had regular live streams where they described their intentions for the game in explicit detail

[short valley]

Right?

[amber epoch]

also fair., I also bought paragon specifically because they said they would be avoiding FOMO in the future and that's exactly what I'd be wanting to support.

[short valley]

Tacos are pretty good I admit

[winter steeple]

maybe try consulting your astrological sign? might offer insight, idk

[short valley]

Then yeah I would get it

[winter steeple]

HOROSCOPE!

thats the word

[solid fable]

people shouldn't be expected to follow news religiously if they have questions
but yeah, they've said they want to try avoiding having things permanently missable

[short valley]

I'd rather consult a fortune cookie

[frosty ore]

What about Horrorscope?

[amber epoch]

This I could use some chinese right about now but it's like 1am T.T...

[short valley]

Thanks. I scoured the website but couldn't really find any info about that

[winter steeple]

What about a magic 8 ball?

[frosty ore]

True scholars consult the magic conch

[short valley]

I haven't seen of those in so long

[frosty ore]

So soulframe

Which pact works best in d&d

[split hill]

speaking of flags these are objectively best flags 🇧🇹

[solid fable]

i could dig up the exact wording, but that was the gist of it
it was mentioned when they were talking about giving out the preludes honour to everyone and how it'll be occasionally available going forward

[amber epoch]

If you check the stream where Paragon packs were announced they explicitely said they knew how many players were "collectors" and wanted to avoid fomo. In regards to the Paragon pack specifically they said they didn't want it to be another excalibur prime. One sec...

[winter steeple]

God, i'd punch a grandmother to get an excalibur prime

even if it had JohnTenno's name on it

[short valley]

I understand how the founders pack works, it's more like I don't want to support the slippery slope if that makes sense?

[frosty ore]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-discord-loading-discord-boxes-squares-gif-16187521

[frosty ore]

just let it load

[amber epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/live/uKvY3XAPnJk?si=2Q_dn58ALJPsyzZ8&t=539

[split hill]

also earl access to wyld, support the company AND ALL THOSE PRIMEISUM CURRENCY

[short valley]

Discord is shitting itself today. May take a while

[frosty ore]

currency you say?

[frosty ore]

just give it time

[winter steeple]

oh yeah,. almost 4k arcs iirc

[ripe grotto]

3500

[winter steeple]

thats how i got myself like so many weapons

[lost ember]

t

[winter steeple]

you think i was gonna go farm Dewelion?

[ripe grotto]

I would never buy weapons or armor with the Platinum... Literally paying to play the game less 😛

[winter steeple]

Au contrare, mon ami

paying to play more of the part of the game i enjoy

[ripe grotto]

Fashionframing? 😛

Cause farming it is killing stuff, and currently killing stuff is more or less all we can do in game 😄

[short valley]

Tom is savings lives

[winter steeple]

yeah, but its killing stuff with new and interesting peices of kit

[short valley]

less killing to achieve the same goal

[frosty ore]

Sinecure knight when they see an envoy looking like a biblically accurate angel slaughter the entire squad for "Fashion materials"