envoy-gathering

[amber rain]

how duelo has been poo poo for me

[summer axle]

Duo duelo and the bleed build up mechanic make melting bosses in seconds no problem, especially when using a bow

The flintlock is also a powerhouse every 20 seconds

And then the virtue and slow buff just make hitting things easier and increase your damage

Duelo if used right is potentially the most broken pact rn

It’s most likely going to get nerfed

[amber sphinx]

a lot of things need to be nerfed

[simple mason]

Duelo is fun to play and needs to be played in a way that makes you engage with the combat system, I don't think anything strong needs to be nerfed

[summer axle]

Duelo shines when you’re using rapier or melee that was the intention, but when you combine the bleed passive with anything that is a multi hit fast attack that goes out the window, using arrow rain for example each arrow can add a stack of bleed and it just decimates health, I don’t think holding heavy attack from a distance counts as interacting with the combat system xD

Duelo as a pact doesn’t necessarily need a nerf, but certain applications of that pact need a nerf lol

[simple mason]

That's more a bleed proc thing than a Duelo specific thing, limiting the amount of bleed procs is a reasonable change but status effects in general need work and refining

[summer axle]

It’s the same as orengall, as a pact functionally it is “ok” but parts of it feel very underwhelming

Not that I’m not expecting things to change obviously this is a pre alpha and these issues will probably get dealt with, I’m just making the point lol since that dude was saying that duelo isn’t good

[mellow atlas]

Sorry, new guy question right here, where do you get quests from?

[summer axle]

And he’ll, balancing rpgs in general is touuuugh work

[summer axle]

Plenty of sources, you find a lot of the main quest lines out in the world in notes or through various activities, your best bet is to just take your time and explore places!

[frail pebble]

Imo the biggest restriction to the combat system right now is that weapon levelling takes a very long time, so when you have level 30 weapons with lots of tree investment you feel really broken. But assuming that the area we're in right now is supposed to be relatively easy, that doesn't feel like too big of an issue. Weapon slot limits meaning you have less combat variation sucks as well, especially with relatively limited enemy variation.
In terms of actual fighting, I feel like generally the balance on the boss moves are very jank, with some moves being an insta kill when hit, and some moves just doing nothing. And then there's a bit of lacking visual feedback for things like parries and perfect dodges, both on the enemy for timing them, and the dopamine reward for getting them.
For exploration, I think there's a lot of systems rn that punish going to the other side of the map. I recently spent a few days grinding the King boss, and that meant I had to stick to the bottom side of the map with the limited TPs. I think if we had free TPs just to the corner of the maps that would go a long way, alongside mounts which are confirmed afaik. I love the fact you can't explore an area all at once, you have to go on different ways for motes and things.
And obviously, more content is always better, more quests, easier ways to find the open world quests besides wiki, showing you where collect quests are etc. would do a great deal, showing the merchant permanently after discovering them etc would work, and maybe hiding cave entrances till you've found them the first time would make exploring more rewarding.

[mellow atlas]

I feel kinda, lost to be honest. is there like some form of general direction guide or anything? @summer axle

[frail pebble]

I wish there was a little bit of hinting where to go from the journal, but I imagine it's in the works

[summer axle]

There’s a Q&A global chat tab in game that people are generally really helpful on

But tbh in this game you kinda just do what you want, it’s open world so the best way to engage is to just walk around and find things

[pearl beacon]

It's an exploration game so you're the one who chooses where to go! But your best bet is probably to talk to Orlick right now and follow his book questline. You've finished the first quest after the tutorial, right?

[mellow atlas]

Yes I have

[amber rain]

true imo, if you don't like something being op don't ues that thing play with something fun and not broken otherwise other people suffer because you abuse of a mechanic which wasn't meant to be abused

[mellow atlas]

@pearl beacon

[pearl beacon]

That's good, so yeah follow Orlick's new book questline as it guides you to encounter a bunch of the game's different systems. As you explore the world you'll come across other characters, like the blacksmith and the witch, who will lead you to their own questlines

basically just explore everything - that's all you need to think about

[summer axle]

Yeah it’s hard to really guide people without spoiling stuff lol

[frail pebble]

Wait she's a witch, I thought she was just french

[pearl beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office--k01KQVTT0NEG84731DW6M5HACNG

[tardy shoal]

Hm normally i have 4 red suns and 2 Green moons on my sword, yesterday i had suddenly 1 red sun that was outlined in a glowing yellow and 2 green moons and higher stats, and now its back again. What can that have caused it

[amber sphinx]

its one thing to have strong things but theres a lot of mechanics that outright give you wf levels of power and i dont think its healthy for the game. for example, sympathy+healing efficiency is just infinite full healing and is available on every pact. most runes are flat out op and easily chargeable to have them up forever. the argument of "just dont use them" is not good because then DE has to balance the game around these things so lesser things get left in the dust

[pearl beacon]

When you say 'normally' do you mean before Preludes 14 updated the joineries and attunement UI?

[tardy shoal]

Normallly is 2 days ago

[pearl beacon]

Hmm in that case you might have just got an extra pip on it somehow, which sword is it? I know the founders ones can get funny attunement interactions from the smite gemstone thing but I've not heart of it appearing on the UI

[tardy shoal]

Purity sword

[pearl beacon]

Probably not an Echo Stone either since they give bonus to your character virtues but not to pips on a weapon

[hushed rampart]

does getting head shots with the flintlock get affected by grace?

[pearl beacon]

Yup!

[summer axle]

I believe so

Yeah

[tardy shoal]

i dont know

[pearl beacon]

Weird I'm not sure what would cause this, I want to say UI bug but who knows 😅

[summer axle]

Might also be related to the spirit bug atm

But who knows lol

[hushed rampart]

nice! thanks man

[frail pebble]

John Erstroot I love your name

[deft siren]

Hey guys, do you think I could run the game in an external ssd? Like the Hiksemi Elite?

[tardy shoal]

Saddd

[frail pebble]

External SSD should be faster than an internal hard drive if it's USB3, so I don't think there'd be any big issues.

Not sure if software wise something wouldn't work, honestly just try it and see what happens no?

[olive sail]

All it could cost you is your time unless you got the code by being a founder

[hushed rampart]

John Erstroot

[summer axle]

The chosen envoy

[frail pebble]

I aspire to be as cool as John Erstroot one day

[frail rain]

remind me, what was the rough estimate for devsteam 15? mid may?

[simple mason]

Things that are overpowered to the point of turning off gameplay should be balanced but I don't think Duelo qualifies as far as I've experienced.

Yes a headshot with the gun from stealth will kill a guy, but that's one dead enemy on a cooldown, the gun being strong is fine

[hushed rampart]

aw shucks

[hushed rampart]

AHAHAHAAA

same energy

[frail pebble]

Wait that just reminded me

we have western european fauna in the game.

[hallow siren]

despite all his rage, bro is still just a rat in a cage

[frail pebble]

There's European Wildcats. We need them in the game.

Like look at how cute this lil goober is, and they're also endangered so raising awareness of their existence is important!!!

[atomic basalt]

i am joining the discussion about soulframe with the comment that cats are sublime 🙂

[frail pebble]

More support for the adding wildcats to soulframe agenda

[cosmic fern]

helloo

[young sun]

it's a sign that soulframe is adding cats ingame

[hallow siren]

ohhh hear me out

a lynx pact

[frail pebble]

I think we're unfortunately not geographically in the right area for lynxes

I'd love to see them in a future area for sure tho

assuming that different areas have different animals

[hushed rampart]

yeah aren't they in like desert areas?

[frail pebble]

Lynx map

[hallow siren]

hurh?

[frail pebble]

I think Steppe and plains mostly?

looking at the map at least.

[hallow siren]

this is for their current population, but if I rember correctly they used to roam all of northwest europe. From denmark germany and the netherlands

and as is I believe there are people advocating for their release in the uk aswell :3

[frail pebble]

Judging by the duck design we're in Scotland, were they there natively as well?

But I mean I'm 100% down for more cute animals, but I'm

[hallow siren]

ikr so real

[frail pebble]

really wanting wildcats atm

[hushed rampart]

midrath feels like it's scotland based

[frail pebble]

I think wales? It's too green for scotland

[hushed rampart]

the dendrits are Scottish

[hallow siren]

puffins would go hard :3

[frail pebble]

Somewhere, Uk. That's where Midrath is.

No Unicorns yet tho, but we don't really have fanstasy animals i thiiink

Wait there's no Avocados that do shopping IRL

[hallow siren]

I would love to see some more fantastical creatures

maybe as a pact tho

also wild horses or wild cow species would be really cool to see

[frail pebble]

Yeah I think the charmable animals should all be real ones and preferably native to what we roughly have as an area

[hallow siren]

in general I wish the landscape was a bit more varied including more distinct ecosystems both with flora and fauna

gimme a pete bog

[frail pebble]

Birds would be very cool, like flying ones, but I've heard from other games that birds are really resource intensive on the player and usually aren't worth adding.

Wild horses and cows would be soooo nice.

[hallow siren]

ehhh it depends how indepth and to what level u go

[frail pebble]

I mean if they're charmable it would be pretty not easy to do.

[hallow siren]

yeah I mean no

but also we have em already with ducks and stuff

though one thing I would absolutely would love to see is like those huge bird swarms

I made one myself sometime ago in ue5 usin particle systems and like I can picture it already

[frail pebble]

Yeah I mean that's already pretty cool, ducks are so cute. But I'd love to also have to look up when running around and charm some flying animals, feels like I end up looking down a lot of the time.

[hallow siren]

would be so peak

fair

[frail pebble]

That would be so cool

[hallow siren]

maybe some seagulls or owls would be cool

or some other birds of prey

[frail pebble]

Owls would make such a good pact...

[hallow siren]

somethin like a eurasian eagle-owl also would make a great pact

same wavelength lmao

[frail pebble]

BATS!

That would make an interesting pact as well

[hallow siren]

gimme gothic vampire pact :3

[frail pebble]

I was more thinking batman

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day Envoys, Founders, Paragons and Stevens.

[frail pebble]

But vampire HP mechanics pact would go so hard.

[hallow siren]

i want a neck biting finisher lol

also just think the armor set could be absolutely fantastic

[hushed rampart]

whose idea was it to make the vadagar bosses depawn 3 minutes before day?

[dapper gorge]

Avakot

[hushed rampart]

I had it on like 5% health before it popped out of existence

[hushed rampart]

thats it turning him into an orb

[hallow siren]

I know right, I had it the other day aswell and it made me sad :(

[plush rose]

Greetings the steven

[onyx sparrow]

I’m new so it’s possible that I just don’t know. But what’s the point of farming different weapons if they don’t have any kind of unique skill to them? Just different stats. I got the fire king sword but it is basically no different than the sword I had before aside from stats and physical appearance. There’s no kind of weapon specific abilities?

[stone cliff]

I like the hatred you bear for avakot

[plush rose]

What's the fire king?

[stone cliff]

but we must destroy him so not even a ball remains

[dapper gorge]

So, generally it'll come down to base stats and virtue alignments

[stone cliff]

we need to make him suffer and then make it so not even a single particle of his being remains

[onyx sparrow]

Isn’t it one of the pacts

[dapper gorge]

Which allows for certain versions of weapons to align a little better depending on your virtue spread

[hushed rampart]

he won't sell an extra copy of orengall

[stone cliff]

I get your point, and you are right, theres no point to own multiple weapons of the same type since only a few of them will be the best ones

the main thing atm making you hoard more than 1 long sword for example is the virtue alignments

[regal snow]

fashionframe

[stone cliff]

or fashion yes

[dapper gorge]

Also to farm skill points for that weapon type

[stone cliff]

ideally you want to own 1 weap for each virtue

[onyx sparrow]

I bought purify because I like greatswords and it looks cool but it has no special ability of any kind??

[stone cliff]

like 1 courage longsword, 1 grace longsword 1 spirit longsword

[onyx sparrow]

I feel like that’s just a complete blunder

[stone cliff]

p15 will bring multiple changes

[dapper gorge]

They've mentioned making weapons more unique in the future

[stone cliff]

we know that weapons will be different we just dont know how much

[regal snow]

do we know when will they release p15?

[stone cliff]

should be before tennocon

[dapper gorge]

When it's ready

[stone cliff]

so my bet is june

but yes we will get it when its ready lol

[stone cliff]

dont buy weapons bro

only thing you should be spending arcs on is weapon and pact slots

[regal snow]

I feel like evades on duelo are weird

I wish parries applied the effects too

[hallow siren]

and transmog thingies :3

[regal snow]

I play with mouse and keyboard and evading is weird for me

[stone cliff]

thats... addicted ppl stuff

transmog thingies is the thing that I spend on but never tell others to lol

its like "dont do what I do, do what I tell you yo do" XD

[hallow siren]

me ong fr fr

[dapper gorge]

[plush rose]

I need to lvl up pacts ughhhhhhh

[onyx sparrow]

Too late lol

[regal snow]

I have to level up everything

goood thing I already maxed a faction...

[plush rose]

i have weapons too lol

[regal snow]

there's too many things to level up and too little arenas

I have 14 weapons and 3 pacts ready to claim...I craft faster than I level up

[hallow siren]

yes

[plush rose]

axes when

[young sun]

and hammers

[regal snow]

I want bonk first

[hallow siren]

bonk is coming first

[young sun]

and gauntlets

[regal snow]

how in the name of fck have I one shotted a banneret

[sturdy geyser]

Hammers were shown, they're coming

Tethren perhaps

[idle burrow]

That looks cool.

[regal snow]

I'm gonna use the big stick for so many hours

[stone cliff]

tethren or oscelda

[hallow siren]

im gonna be so happy when I have the mendicant mace

[regal snow]

duelo, pistol to the head

[stone cliff]

that aswell yes

[hallow siren]

tho the head feels crazy big

[sturdy geyser]

Mâkes sense

[stone cliff]

in theory moras hand can also 1 shot

[frail pebble]

Can we get the guy that said duello was perfectly balanced and didn't need nerfs' opinion on this.

[stone cliff]

havent used it in a while tho

[stone cliff]

duello is stupid strong lmao

[regal snow]

duelo with red and blue prism is quite bonkers

[stone cliff]

its not broken tho imo

[young sun]

for someone who doesn't really vibe with the bows in this game I ironically bought the wyld sirin pack just because I have too many swords

[regal snow]

I haven't even reached level 25 and I one shotted a banneret taht was almost 35

[stone cliff]

but its a really good pact

[young sun]

I like mora's hand pact, set everything on fire

good crowd dps too

[wanton compass]

Hey guys, quick question - I received a code for the game from Reddit, but my gf felt in love with this game too and would love to play it as well. I will be getting myself the founder package on friday - will I get the codes that will allow her to play as well? Or how does it work? If my account is already with a key, can I still drop the code on email?

pls help I think im lost

[dapper gorge]

Yep! All Founders packs come with bonus codes for you to distribute as you see fit

So they'll grant instant, base game access

[wanton compass]

Alright, thanks a lot! 😄

[jagged sparrow]

idk look at bromius shield 🤷‍♂️

[young sun]

speaking of founders. I just bought the sirin founders, where do I get the friend codes?

[white otter]

they should be in your account management iirc

on the website

[young sun]

I see

[young sun]

found it, thanks!

[hallow siren]

okay but big bonk

[frosty ore]

touch grass they said.

Beat the system, I have

[white otter]

but at what cost?

[white ginkgo]

No cost too great for keyboard grass

[quartz eagle]

Hi, why am I not being able to use my runes to accomplish the first fable? I use one time and is there a kind of cooldown on it?

[white otter]

i was talking more on the usability side of things, not the actual money related cost

[white otter]

Runes need to be charged before activation

[quartz eagle]

And how a charge them?

[white otter]

you can charge them via smiting enemies

[quartz eagle]

Thanks, i will try that out

[sharp iron]

Do we have any new ancestors in our nightfold with this latest preludes? I finished the wreck of the maestra carmo quest and it said one was added but I don't see anything different

[simple mason]

She doesn't join the Nightfold, the Ancestor Joined pop-up seems to be a generic Fable complete one, not always for a new ancestor

She does pop up somewhere on the map tho!

[ashen shale]

Hello!

[craggy patio]

chilling in nightfold then getting jumpscared by this guy

[young sun]

how did he even get in there!?

[hushed rampart]

wrong house

[white otter]

a freeloader! damn him for trying to copy Fenn Jotar...

[craggy patio]

he spawned from the ground with their tp ability lol

[young sun]

maestro's armor is still in the washer

[pliant lintel]

for me it's never not gonna be funny that they actually didn't truly implement rapiers in the game, but instead something cooler that they then called rapiers

[sterile wraith]

yello

wyld wulder when?

[sturdy geyser]

what's that

[sterile wraith]

wulder is one of the starting weapons

[pliant lintel]

Like, if you know rapiers and how they were used, you'd know they're not used that way, because they were essentially min maxed for duels and kinda fell flat the moment you weren't doing an unarmored duel. So instead the dev did a sneaky and gave us sidesword/sabers disguised as rapuers. I love the devs

[sterile wraith]

That is pretty neat, justifying the reason for using them outside duels while keeping the fantasy sort of alive

[pliant lintel]

the care they put on weapons in this game is what's hooked me in the most when i started. being able to point at the cuts i was doing with my longsword and say it's name from my manual made me so joyful. Like, very little games actually explore the real way those weaoons were used. and in this case, it add a layer of grounded that make the fantasy shine stronger by making it feel more real

then there is the player greatsword. jsut why

[white otter]

because big bonk go bap

[pearl beacon]

I was so hoping our greatswords would be like the ones the Ode get... so much nicer in both size and moveset

[sage compass]

might get it when the maces come out, they'll have to tweak movesets then

[pliant lintel]

same! i was seeing the soldiers and i was HYPED, finally a game that does them accuratly! but then we got the slabs, who just feel like they are using great club animations

[pliant lintel]

great axes and clubs could have done that. why suddeently change direction just for one weapons?

especially since our GS aren't even that big. like, they are jsut wide, and made thicker because video game. but all of them are jsut... normal-ish? they might even be a bit short for Gs, those things were 6' long

[sage compass]

true, willam longshanks's LS was 5 feet, i think

we got some wee shivs for LS compared to that

[sterile wraith]

Maybe they can rename the combat arts to be “Great weapons” and include axes and the maces. If they are again adding a new combat art for those then idk man we gonna have a lot of arts at one point

[pliant lintel]

don'T say LS, it's GS, longswords are a whole different thing. they usually were around 4' and were a sidearm

[sage compass]

aye, fair nuff

[pliant lintel]

Like, i actually study longswords, the are their very own thing

[sage compass]

i'm trying to recall other cool swords, but the best comparisons i can think of are weapons from age of empires

specifically third age weapons

[pearl beacon]

Yeah this is my hope! If two-handed maces and axes can get the current unwieldy moveset, maybe we can get an actual greatsword/zweihander moveset? It'd be amazing to have

[pliant lintel]

well, i genuinly hope we do, because the current GS is already the slowest you can get before the weapon truly beomes a death trap, since, well, combat was built around those grounded movement so adding fantasy ones would jsut get you hard countered, like GS was on release (and kinda still is)

[sage compass]

i'm waiting for the crossbows, honestly, oden crossbows are gonna be straight up arbalests

[pliant lintel]

i was gonna say 2 slots isn't enough for all the cool wepaons, but then i remember we got nightfold and can switch anytime as long as you're not in combat

loadout slots will be legitimate purchases, are they?

[sage compass]

i think we should get 3 weapon slots. one for big weapons, like GS, staves. one for medium stuff, like bows, both long and short blades, and third for the hand bracelets and flyblades

[pliant lintel]

nah, it would jsut leads to everyone doing everything. the current restrictions are good, makes you commit to something and give you a jsutification to have something else

[sage compass]

kinda reminds of dark and darker, for some reason

[sturdy geyser]

even the devs themselves said we're right to ask for more freedom on weapon slots

i don't want there to be primary vs secondary

[pliant lintel]

tho i will say, if weapon throw would be a wee bit better that'd be nice. some thing a bit more wieldy than rn, jsut so you don't feel like you are making yourself vulnerable to that one roof archer if you don't sacrifice one of your slots to a ranged weapon

[sturdy geyser]

they're blurring that line more and more

[pliant lintel]

when did they say that?

[sturdy geyser]

a devstream

[sage compass]

ngl, kinda is primary v secondary rn

[sturdy geyser]

we should be able to equip any two weapons we want

the restriction for that needs to be outside of it

[pliant lintel]

i think there should be SOME restriction, but yeah.

[sturdy geyser]

like movement speed etc

[pliant lintel]

Like, a bow or a polearm should be only equipable as primary, but like, a vetch? yeah, that could be secondary

[sturdy geyser]

why? we can just have a long swap time

[pliant lintel]

that would feel horrible. hinderance for weapon choice is bad, and also a nightmare to balance

[sturdy geyser]

yeah but that's the tradeoff for picking any two weapons

[pliant lintel]

a ssytem kinda like the slot system of lancer could work. You get a primary slot that you can equip anyweapons in, and a secondary, who can equip any weapon that is tagget "sidearm" or smaller

[sturdy geyser]

that's not too different from what we have rn

[pliant lintel]

greatsword is equipped in the back? ok, now you can also have a weapon on your hip, and look, a dewelion!

[sturdy geyser]

so ur saying Dewelion would be tagged as secondary?

[sage compass]

maybe look at holster points

[pliant lintel]

what we got rn is hard coded primary and secondary. this is quite different while keeping the spirit

[sage compass]

dewelion holsters on the hip, so you can take any weapon. any other primary weapon too, as long as it doesn;t holster on the hip

[sturdy geyser]

oh the placement, hm

[sage compass]

but then if we have 2 short blades, we should get the option to dual wield them

[pliant lintel]

kinda, it's jsut that primary is he only slot that can equip a weapon that takes your back, so S&S, poearm, staves, bows, etc

[sturdy geyser]

sure but we can also have flyblades in that case, GS on the back, dewelion left hip, flyblades right hip

[sage compass]

like, if we have both vetch and grinn, boom, dual wield

[pliant lintel]

only two weapons shatter, otherwise that's the point in making a dedicated mage?

[sturdy geyser]

no but ur making this suggestion based on weapon placement on the player's body

[pliant lintel]

without restriction, choice becomes meaningless,

[pliant lintel]

not directly no.

[sage compass]

only 2 weapons, but any 2 weapons based on holster points

[pliant lintel]

think of it as weapon mounts on a mech. big mounts can equip anything, smaller mount can only equip what fits

[sturdy geyser]

that's im saying, you can fit more with your idea

[pliant lintel]

but you don'T want to fit more

[sturdy geyser]

alr i see

i'd sure love to have a bow on regardless tho

[pliant lintel]

because, again, for those in the back, if you can have everything, what's the point of making something dedicated, or to even swap?

[hallow siren]

spectral birb

[pliant lintel]

but yeah, i want to be able to carry a greatsword and a rapier. or a bow and a cleaver.

[hallow siren]

I feel so sexy

[desert shore]

I now officially have every piece of gear one can have 🙏🏻 I feel peace

[dapper gorge]

For now

[sturdy geyser]

muhahaha

[desert shore]

lol for now is all that matters

[golden lagoon]

This Steven crushes souls.

[pliant lintel]

me i got essentially everything, i'l just missing 2 cogah runes, but like... i hate cogah too much to be bothered

[hallow siren]

having some transmog thingies really makin me happy :)

[pliant lintel]

everyone finding interesting bestich without ogengal's chestpiece really have my admiration. i feel so basic rocking that one

but it jsut fits my vibe too much

raaaaaaaaaaaah

[desert shore]

Fair enough. I just spammed that stuff out when I first got cogah and haven’t touched it ONCE since lol

[pliant lintel]

yeah, it's such a poor hardmode. it's jsut number go up with some debuffs

and like, while i expect stuff to not be super super at launch because it'S an alpha, cogah still makes me wonder why they went that way to begin with.

[rare hollow]

this is what weve been rescuing alcas creatures from

[hybrid pasture]

hmm is there a clean wreck of mestra carmo wallpaper without the logo or text...

maybe ...

[pliant lintel]

Perfect version of cogah for me would be "everything is the same, except now, enemies will always scale to the player (i'm assuming we got scaling in game for this one), and some extra variation is added". in other word, essentially wf's nightmare mode/DRG's warnings. Numbers up are lame, but extra obstacle si where you can add some good difficulty

if it was that, i would be doing a lot of cogah

I guess i would also like it if it wasn't jsut "raom arount and jsut kill bosses" and instead it was votive based, like, you get little boss missions. going on an agari hunt like the love imply

[summer axle]

It would be cool if they had more variety or like something like bloodborne where once you take the cogah you can see things that aren’t there normally new enemy types or new boss attacks

[pliant lintel]

yes! no number up, jsut extra stuff!

[foggy fern]

Post this in feedback as a Cogah rework. This is a cool idea, the devs should see this.

[pliant lintel]

i did a while ago

i'm jsut spreading the word so others will also start asking for it

because if people are vocala bout it, it makes the implementation easier, since it's less "risky"

but yeah, "hard" stuff that is jsut numbers being higher is both lame and also justinviting powercreep and meta slaving. Like, people will always build for the hardest content they will have to do, so if you make people gear up for your hardmode, not only will build variety die, but also, it jsut makes the "normal" stuff become too easy, since players are overgeared

[buoyant apex]

will this game always just be max 3 people and not 4? 😔 ive been playing a with the same 3 people from warframe its a bit hard

[hybrid pasture]

would probably stay as 3 max

[bleak lodge]

nooo my computer crashed in the middle of minifur

[buoyant apex]

shuckss

[pliant lintel]

most likely. they made a whole core theme around the number 3. it also makes things easier for them because they don't have to design around the power of 4 people, not the wierd imbalance of having 4 palyers but only 3 "roles"

tho, yeah, it is annoying considering your typical multiplayer is 4 players

perosnally i'm fine with 3, because that ease of balance will give us some better content down the line

[oblique pawn]

Ehh...still risky. Tech issues and the system not meeting its purpose properly are usually more of a barrier than "not enough people wanted it"

But, it does definitely help indicate a problem DE should solve.

[pliant lintel]

oh, absolutly

[oblique pawn]

Regardless, leaving feedback is good. Ideas are good too but just don't tie hopes and dreams to them being added the way you want. They make a good framework for understanding the problem, but don't always actually work as intended. Sometimes they do get in though and that's pretty cool.

[pliant lintel]

plus, there is always the classic "jsut because players like it doesn'T mean it's good for the game"

[candid pawn]

on an unrelated note: it seems they nerfed the crouch hop, as we dont stay crouched after a jump, so it breaks stealth. no more sneaking up on enemies like a cricket

[oblique pawn]

Think that actually was a byproduct of fixing the jump roll movement bug

Some folks figured out an input timing that let you zoom across the map, so DE patched that a couple hotfixes ago

[pliant lintel]

yeah, we are getting mounts soon, so movement tricks don'T need to stay

[pliant lintel]

and that also gives a LOT of insight about the design direction if true, as this was literally how WF got bullet jump. they got a vision and seem to be sticking to it, thank the saphic suns

[candid pawn]

it was no zoren coptering, tho i saw a version of dodge hopping that combined the bow mid air aim for a major vertical movement. I can understand them not wanting soulframe to be as quick and twitchy as WF is. I think soulframe works best when movement flows~~

[pliant lintel]

yeah no, especially since even for warframe it turned out to be a double edged sword. speed is fun, but the faster you go, the less you get to appreciate your environment

or worse, the less you'll be able to stop and think.

(yes, the infamous netracell circle problem is a result of the game getting faster and faster, amongst other thing)

[candid pawn]

given enough time, players will optimize the fun out of everything. I do adore DE's aesthetic design and world building, and soulframe does give me a good chance to just look at the views and details. but when players are trying to do content for the 80th time, they dont want to wait in between.

[pliant lintel]

oh yeah, absolutly, which is why i think they say they are introducing more variation with next prelude. that way you aren't doing the exact same thing over and over

[raw coyote]

can't go wrong with more variation, that's for sure!

[frosty juniper]

Dripy drip check!

[pliant lintel]

especially in a slower game like this. we can't jsut skip things, so let's make sure we don't get burned out. that's also a reason why i'm so annoying about adding some form of player sclaing. because if older content can stay enjoyable, it means players can always go there for a nice change of pace when they need it

[candid pawn]

im not a fan of 1:1 level scaling, where the player and enemies always get stronger at the same pace. I would like level variance, as in the chance of a harder threat to come along that the player can face or flee from

[raw coyote]

11/10 drip!

[candid pawn]

this is an old ref, but the MMO mabinogi used to have some system where if a population of enemies was being killed repetitively for a while, it increased the chance of a extra strong variant. I think some older MMOs did the same. Either way, some level of "dynamic" gameplay, to give us a reason to do different content in areas. Ive been in the NE so long that I forgot how most of the rest of the map looks

[pliant lintel]

me i know that the way Nioh 2 did things was perfect for me. i never saw the exact numbers for enemeis, so was it perfect 1:1 or was it a bracket thing, idk

otherwise, i know that guild war 2 and destiny 2 (on paper), did have zone-specific scalign for players

[candid pawn]

when i started playing WF, one of the most exciting things was the challenge spike that came from the stalker/ gustag 3/ zanuka popping in. You'd scramble to get the squad together because you could get picked off if you were alone

[pliant lintel]

tho, i wish N2 was more popular, because now that i think about it, most people will think of other games that more often than not did scalign poorly when they hear the word

[candid pawn]

I do like the idea of zone scaling with some variance. Maybe have it change day by day. Maybe every day there is 2 or 3 "areas" that are experience a spike in enemy level and activity.

[sterile wraith]

i feel like it would be a cool idea to introduce more caves where the enemies are naturally a bit stronger, making it so there is the base surface level with normal area scaling and a little bit harder cave level for if you want more challenge and loot

[summer axle]

The main reason would be loot variety rn

Certain stuff drops from certain enemies and bosses and that’s the main reason to do different stuff rn

[candid pawn]

It could kind of working like a rolling steelpath. I dont even know if enemy level affects drops as is.

[summer axle]

Unsure as well

[sterile wraith]

also DE is working with a mostly warframe playerbase.... which if you know how the community is.... well

[pliant lintel]

if we get "enemies scaling to player total virtue" tho, we could also have things like votive scale. that add a lot of variety when you can jsut do your farms in more than one place

[candid pawn]

@sterile wraith I honestly wasnt even thinking about the dungeons at all, but thats a much better idea. Maybe the overworld is a bit scaled up, with a dungeon tied to it. Clear the even harder dungeon, get a reward, area goes back to normal

Honestly if they double the token drop rates and enemy density, that could be a good alternative to the votives for standing

[pliant lintel]

they have been trying to change that tho, on top of making it very clear that it's not gonan be WF. and so far, it's working, you can speak about nerfs and balance here and no one is going to go buckwild about how you are destroying everything fun

heck, a lot of the people that are here from warframe is because this game is kinda promissing to not go the same route

[summer axle]

xD I’m here cause I like the fey style plot and the intrigue of it all 😄

[pliant lintel]

oh, same, but the care for balance is what made me ride or die

and likely a lot of other people

[sterile wraith]

yeah i know, i am definitly on the side of changing the type of game ofc ofc. But still i am cautious and i hope De doesn't bend the knee

what really stood out to me about this game was the absolute banger pillars of worldbuilding being set. This game can truly be so big one day

[summer axle]

I’m curious how they’re going to scale some of their systems in the long run, but I agree, it’s got the makings to be pretty damn big of a world

[pliant lintel]

same, tho I am minimally cautious, since, so far, they do stand their ground. Like, a lot of the design choice i've seen so far feel like they were purposely done to NOT be warframe. the lack of loot vaccum being the big one

[summer axle]

Loot vacuum as in sucking loot towards you like a magnet?

[pliant lintel]

yup. it was something scott was adamantly against in wf, most likely because it make skipping things and running past everything even easier. it let player be even faster and interact even less with the environment. all the carefully made tiles? jsut glorified corridors

[candid pawn]

i remember when they fought against universal vacuum in WF

when it was the domain of carrier

[pliant lintel]

it was the right cause but the wrong battle.

[summer axle]

I can kinda understand that, but even just having a bigger range would feel a little smoother in my eyes, its quite annoying having to meticulously run around after killing everything with your q sight on just to collect everything before moving on, after the 1000th enemy camp it starts to feel a bit oldschool like there should be a better way to do it if you get me

[vale flare]

if i died and bird doesn't spawn(basically i'm stuck in death camera view), only way out is just relogin?

[candid pawn]

I'm a fan of slower, methoidcal combat and gameplay, its just hard to say when to lean that way. It wouldn't be the end of the world to leave some items on the ground, just give us a buy/ sell for the base resources

[pliant lintel]

we do have some soft vaccum, but at the same time, walking around is kinda the name of the game. and if you don't, you miss all the chests and secrets.

tho, we used to have to go manually pick up enemy loot, which, i do be ok with not having to do so anymore. it was a bit too much slowing down

[candid pawn]

Like i dont need a vacuum to pick up the 10000th oden silk whatever, as long as the important stuff (like pearls and moranite) are harder to miss. Make opening chests more meaningful, so we look around our environment with eyes open

[summer axle]

Yeah I hear ya, but I can’t imagine with a game world this big and the fact you have to walk between places a lot anyway that making it easier to pick up your loot makes the gameplay a ridiculous amount faster like warframe, we don’t even have slide jumping or crazy fast movement in this so you’re walking regardless to your next stop xD

[golden lagoon]

All loot used to be in baggies. you'd have to stop to pick it all up. so things have moved on a little.

[pliant lintel]

you also tend to naturally pick up all the stuff when fighting, especially in melee

[summer axle]

Yeah this would suck even more lol

[candid pawn]

I think as long as we can intentionally acquire the stuff we need, its fine. Like lets say I need more brass, I can seek out weapon racks, or they could add a smith NPC who sells metals

[summer axle]

I’m used to playing souls games so I’m used to taking things slow and observing my environment xD

[summer axle]

This would be neat

[stuck linden]

I got the disappearing chat bug, how can I get it back?

[pliant lintel]

me i'm fine as long as i'm not encouraged to jsut keep moving forward without stopping a la warframe

[hybrid pasture]

thats a lot of them....

[summer axle]

Relog

[stuck linden]

breeehhhh ion wanna relog

[summer axle]

Welcome to pre alpha :’)

[summer axle]

Time for stag

[rare socket]

guys ur bird can dance

[pliant lintel]

also, point that isn't mentionned to keeping thing slower and to look around: it makes sure the community won't get countered by a simple circle wink wik nudge nudge

[hybrid pasture]

uhhh theres nothing to... blow up

[rare socket]

lookit

[summer axle]

I don’t get it ;-; is this a warframe joke?

[summer axle]

This is adorable omg xD

[sturdy geyser]

so much film grain, AMD/FSR?

[hybrid pasture]

finished organ, hsot left, so I return to my own world, everyhing's finished but I can start the organ again... welp

no upscaling

[pliant lintel]

yeah, basicly due to warframe having gone full zoom and boom, it got the community to be a bit less... attentive, more focused on jsut shooting everyhting on sight and folow the objective marker. And when they added an activity called netracells, which had an objective to kill enemies IN a circle...

well, all it did is jsut highlight how zoom and boom made people unable to even hear instruction because people kept failling at that task

like, they had to change things to the point you jsut had to kill while standing yourself in the circle, and even then you still get a lot of people jsut keeping their brains off and killing everything on sight, because that's all they know. soot thing and go to objective marker and press button if needed.

[west wave]

I made a bug report and it suck in in a private chat space with just me, is that normal? or did i not post it right.

[hybrid pasture]

what?

[pliant lintel]

did you post it in #1438224825113120788 ?

[sturdy geyser]

did u DM @loud escarp ?

[west wave]

I only posted it in bug tracking and its in its own separate sub cat. and do i also have to dm @loud escarp

[sturdy geyser]

no

did u click new post typed text in and hit post?

[west wave]

yes and added pic

[pliant lintel]

i see the thing, it's sjut that those places act like mini forums

[random prism]

I mean, I found a bug report by you.

If it's the hat ribbon bug.

[west wave]

ok i just wasnt sure because its my first report

[random prism]

That's how all bug reports work, it's a pseudo-forum.

They sit there afterward to be looked at.

Or for other people to leave messages in them if they've had similar or such.

You're good, it is there.

[west wave]

Thank you for the explanation, the confusion was real

[hybrid pasture]

is it just me or should perfect dodge have a little bit more forgiving, since rn if an enemy whiffs their attack, you basically loses the perfect dodge opportuniy for deulo's passive due to the ground uneven elevation

[sturdy geyser]

well it's not perfect dodge if it wasnt gonna hit you

it's just dodge

[hybrid pasture]

the problem is the attack animation due to uneven elevation, the enemy tries to hit you, but the animation doesn't line up and you straight up don't get hit, its just so clunky

[sturdy geyser]

regardless you have % to proc bleed on the next 3 hits after normal dodge, so that kinda evens out

[sturdy geyser]

ah that's another issue but yea

[hybrid pasture]

that is what Im talking about, its annoying

[sturdy geyser]

but that's not perfect dodge's issue

i don't think it should be changed for that

[hybrid pasture]

maybe the dodge trigger should count it in, or they finally fixes the animation itself, either fix can work

[sturdy geyser]

yeah they'll have to work on combat on uneven ground

[sharp beacon]

does anyone know how to actually "embed" a weapon into a target

im perfect throwing gath and its just kinda not doing that

[hybrid pasture]

the ground

only arrows can impale into enemy rn

[sharp beacon]

so this doesnt do anything?

[sturdy geyser]

i could be wrong but the weapon only impales when the throw attack kills the enemy

[sharp beacon]

I cant remember a time when you could embed weapons to begin with im wondering why this is a rune effect

[hybrid pasture]

its a tiny aoe

you throw it into the ground and recall

does an aoe stagger, quite small radius I think

[sharp beacon]

it would be nice if the rune made that apparent

thanks tho

[sturdy geyser]

this is what i understand by embed

[sharp beacon]

if their dead then the rune would be worthless but its recalling it off the ground

[plush rose]

ok so.. what am i missing except sirin and moras hand and ode tempest

[sharp beacon]

the wyld pacts

founders stuff

[plush rose]

ah thatd be a skill issue of mine then

[drifting estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[plush rose]

very true

[merry shore]

We will get them eventually, but I feel your pain of looking at the empty spaces

[frigid aspen]

yo guys I going to buy the founders pack today, I can reset any stats in game right? like if I want to switch build or st?

[sharp beacon]

like your points in your pact? yeah

[plush rose]

yeah but- i WANT those pants from wyld oscelda

[frigid aspen]

yes all of them including like grace and stuff

kinda still figuring the game

[sharp beacon]

grace is a virtue you change it with prisms

[hybrid pasture]

and talismans

[drifting estuary]

yeah, you can change Prisms (to switch between grace/courage/spirit/hybrid builds), and you can refund skill points from Pacts and weapon Arts as much as you want for free.

[frigid aspen]

Ok niceee

[summer axle]

I’m more into the shirt

[frigid aspen]

the 99$ bundle is definitely a steal lol

[plush rose]

lets say we like the whole fahion

[summer axle]

Until I got mendicant set I was just using the whole oscelda set yeah xD

Now I’ve got oscelda shirt and pants with the mendicant helm looks dope

[frigid aspen]

also with founders do we get stuff nobody will have when game release for free?

[hybrid pasture]

why is the sort order so... weird

[summer axle]

Only the paragon greatsword if you buy the paragon

And technically you get to plant a flower in the founders garden too

[sharp beacon]

yes the paragon greatsword with no name and some flowers

[vale flare]

is Castle Kearnhold still unacessable place?

[sharp beacon]

the flowers do nothing besides get lost in one of the rooms you can plant them in

[hybrid pasture]

hmm

[sharp beacon]

no thats a seige now

[hybrid pasture]

siege

[summer axle]

I picked a room that’s sentimental to me so I’m good xD

[sharp beacon]

the paragon is cool

[plush rose]

hmmmmmm

[summer axle]

Paragon comes with 6 pips of attunement which is kinda OP lol

[hybrid pasture]

paragon should come with triple virtue attune armour set 🔥

[plush rose]

hmmmmmm

[frigid aspen]

nicenicenice

[hybrid pasture]

paragon the bonkinator

[sharp beacon]

it would just be worse or equal to the free set from orlick no?

you cant go wrong with fashion tho

[hybrid pasture]

no, that would become even stornger than prenerf mestra set, which was stronger than pensive

[plush rose]

@summer axle this thing still not fixed

[summer axle]

So satisfying to use though (the paragon) ^

[hybrid pasture]

sitll missing 1 silistavf fragment...

[plush rose]

man get grinding

[hybrid pasture]

been grinding b ruh

[frigid aspen]

now I want to switch to sword build

[plush rose]

canwe have the purse meme here

[hybrid pasture]

keep getting dewilion non stop

[summer axle]

It’s so meaty

[plush rose]

well iguess i was lucky

[hybrid pasture]

yes you are

[drifting estuary]

eh, sort of. 6 pips, yeah, but its only 2 pips in each stat so you're only getting +1 atk per courage/spirit or +1.6 atk per grace. its not very efficient with your virtues, so even a full grace build can't cap attunement on it without reforging

[plush rose]

idk which weapon to farm now

[hybrid pasture]

seathorn

[plush rose]

ah yes

thankyou

[summer axle]

Yeee it’s quite balanced but if you do a mix build it shiiiiines xD

[plush rose]

umbra you up?

[drifting estuary]

I do love its a greatsword without a virtue requirement though, so you can reforge it to run it with any build. less attack power than Purity, but way more flexible. I don't even have it, but 🤤

[sharp beacon]

it has to have a 0.00000001% droprate or smth

[hybrid pasture]

no idea, since theres no drop rate written

[plush rose]

ive been trying for weeks

[sharp beacon]

said this instantly got 2

[hybrid pasture]

what?

[pliant lintel]

it feels like that when you aren't doing t3 tales for other reasons. i got one and a half with my frien when we were ranking her factions up

[sharp beacon]

I am also trying to rank

[summer axle]

I got mine in alcas children

[plush rose]

im chilling and still geting tempest stuff all the tim e

tempest stuff loves tempest

[plush rose]

gib me the luck man

[drifting estuary]

yeah even a hybrid paragon can reach like 186-192 atk which is great. A pure courage Purity caps at 224, but running a greatsword with grace or spirit thanks to paragon would be really cool

[pearl beacon]

It is yes, but they'll be showing Castle Kearnhold content at Tennocon in July!

[pearl beacon]

That's Fort Kearnhold, further to the north of the main castle

[sharp iron]

Didn't they say the greatsword from the paragon bundle would come with a blueprint we could give to a friend?

[sturdy geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-all-those-chickens-gif-20113673

the entire dungeon has duplicated quenchin acid

and i finally(i think) found the reason why faction favors can go beyond the 50 limit camp

[plush rose]

why

i had 83 of those mdal things for kok

[sturdy geyser]

the limit is supposed to be 50

[gloomy rover]

mounts when

[plush rose]

yeah

i mean how did it go over 50

[hardy oyster]

Ooh? How?

[sturdy geyser]

im still testing but imma report it later

[glossy moon]

Are there any armor sets I really need to grind towards? I haven't really played much since the arbear quest was added and I currently have the mendicant king armor

[candid pawn]

id say as long as you have one for each virtue. idk if anything is BIS anymore

the new scholar set was before they fixed it, its the only split set

[glossy moon]

How do the virtues work? I never actually understood it. Rn most of my gear is the red virtue I think

[hybrid pasture]

Gear Attunement : the more virtue points of specified virtue you have on that increases its stat
Unique Virtue Extra buff:
Courage : gives most hp, buff 1st ability
Spirit : Reduce all Ability Cooldown, gives least hp, buff 2nd ability
Grace : Increased headshot damage and stealth damage, gives medium hp, buff 3rd ability

[candid pawn]

idk if I can link youtube videos in the discord, but look up saralovesarchery. she did a virtue guide in P13 that still holds up i think

[plush rose]

seathorn 2/3

[hybrid pasture]

how are you two so lucky hello?

[plush rose]

two?

[hybrid pasture]

you and the other guy earlier

[plush rose]

henloo

[plush rose]

who is this other guy

hmm umbra?

[hybrid pasture]

this

[polar matrix]

am i allowed to offer preludes codes

[hybrid pasture]

yes, but I would recommend only do so when someoen asks for one, in case of code stealing hoarders

they exists

[polar matrix]

oh okay, i just have nowher to use the ones from the pack i bought

[hybrid pasture]

you could also use it to recommend others to play somewhat

[regal snow]

how tf does duelo evade work? It just pops randomly

just evading out of combat twice, triggered twice

[sturdy geyser]

perfect dodge

after perfect dodge, u can spawn up to 3 clones by dodging

[regal snow]

oh so first I perfect dodge, then I can use it 3 more times

that's weird

[sharp beacon]

anyone looking to do a milfur run

[weak turret]

can someone help me reach tree 16th please

[sharp beacon]

the one on the island?

[weak turret]

yeah

[summer axle]

#looking-for-group might get you some help

[vale flare]

is there CD on duelo after clearing 3 spots?

[humble spruce]

I'm trying to buy one of the founder packs but the website is no moving forward the paymetnmethod selection, does anyone had the same issue?

[sturdy geyser]

log out, enter the purchase page, log in from there and try again

[humble spruce]

it sems to be an issue with the payment gateway

it is not on DE side

I was cheking the code

I'll better wait

[vapid niche]

extactly the same one, right now

[sturdy geyser]

wym

[errant plinth]

I think it's a known issue.

[humble spruce]

it worked 1 out of 10 tries, but I'm not buying under this circumstances...

I'll wait for another day

[sturdy geyser]

u can try to clear ur browser's cache

[white otter]

or use another browser if that doesn't work

[humble spruce]

no hurries ^^tried 2 different browsers

[white otter]

oh

[humble spruce]

same issue

[sturdy geyser]

yeah u can wait

[distant bane]

Hello! This is known as of right now: https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11333-psa-xsolla-purchase-issues/

[white otter]

SAM! have you hopped on Soulf yet today?

[sturdy geyser]

ah there u go

[distant bane]

aka hold tight for a moment - thank u for your patience!

[humble spruce]

np

[sturdy geyser]

sam can u settle a little argument for us

[humble spruce]

just annoying that now that I decidd reality slaps me in the face u_u

[errant plinth]

Sam, we look forward to seeing you in the next Envoy Hour!

[sturdy geyser]

lol i feel u

[distant bane]

excited to be there!!!

[vapid niche]

same thing, was watching gameplay stuff, feedbacks and... when I decided boom

[sturdy geyser]

sam, can u tell us if the player list in chats shows every player online in the selected region?

or is there a limit to how many it shows

[humble spruce]

btw, is it a known issue that if you change pacts the Grace points from the Pact are not applied and you need to reset the whole pact to gt them back?

or should I report it?

[white otter]

i don't think there should be a limit
the chat player lists can be a lot longer than what they're in Soulframe atm in Warframe anyway 👀

[sturdy geyser]

i believe that's a UI issue

[errant plinth]

Try opening and closing the menu, it's probably just a glitched UI.

[sturdy geyser]

exiting and entering arsenal again should show you the actual stats

[distant bane]

believe its only people who have region chat enabled

[humble spruce]

my orengal armor sais otherwise... I lose all bonuses for not reaching the minimum grace required

[random prism]

Oh yeah that's been a thing for a while. If you change literally anything that involves your virtues, do not trust the numbers till you've exited and entered the interface again.

[distant bane]

if you're referring to the chat lists

[upper steppe]

Hia , where is the best place to get a game key?

[random prism]

They do not update properly most of the time.

[sturdy geyser]

i am, thanks for answering

[white otter]

pinned messages have info on how to get access

[summer axle]

Oi, Leggy!

[white otter]

what?

[summer axle]

Idk I just see avakot and that’s the first thing I think, that craps burned into my memory

[white otter]

oh lol

first thing i remember is everything he's put me thru

[sturdy geyser]

where's the pic that shows the inside of avakot's shell

[errant plinth]

Why does Avakot sell 100 patch leather every rotation? Where is he getting this?

[pliant lintel]

we do get very little avakot for how big of a meme he is

[sturdy geyser]

his knees are actually bent, he's much taller than he lets on

[summer axle]

The avakot merchant network

[errant plinth]

Synod.

[summer axle]

Largest merchant guild in midrath

[errant plinth]

I think Avakot is Synod.

Take off his mask.

[pliant lintel]

ok, completly unrelated unless you're in my brain, it's kinda strange we essentially got no proper introduction to bayor for how important he seem to be

[summer axle]

Bayor? O.o

[pliant lintel]

i rest my case, your honnor

[sturdy geyser]

lol

[summer axle]

Yeah now I’m like who tf is that xD

[white otter]

not yet anyway

[summer axle]

Unless you mean the grandad or smth

[sturdy geyser]

no

[summer axle]

To the wiki!

[white otter]

bayor the one who stole the puppo

[random prism]

I mean I'm pretty sure that's just his face, considering his facial features and mouth move and all.

Oh wait you mean Synod's mask lmao.

I am a derp.

[summer axle]

Oh that dude, yeah I do wonder who tf he is lol

[fast crescent]

I hope we get some more Motifs (Glyphs) with P15

[summer axle]

I didn’t even know he had a name xD

[pliant lintel]

Boyor is apparently the guy who has nightling, the dune who brought the seed to synod in the waste bear, and the guy that's on the other wolf in the warsong trailer

[pliant lintel]

and yeah, some mention on paragon

[sturdy geyser]

in-game description of the paragon BS

[summer axle]

Yeee

[sturdy geyser]

it was bayor who we played as in that segment? why tf did i never make that connection

[pliant lintel]

like, all the info i goy on him are form the wiki, apparently he's also the one who kidnapped us??

[random prism]

I thought the dude who brought the seed to synod was just a past memory of us being under control.

[sturdy geyser]

^ same

[summer axle]

And he wielded the paragon first apparently

[random prism]

Does it say anywhere that it is Bayor?

[pliant lintel]

because we never got a proper intro to him, you just think it's you from when you were still under the song

[summer axle]

Where did it mention that’s who he is in the cutscenes tho?

[white otter]

i mean... the outfit in the scene is that of a Tempest Bayor yes, and we know that we served the ode as a Tempest... soooo

[pliant lintel]

not even sure, could be that he just killed the previous owner and they left a message to go give him a wooping

[errant plinth]

Can we ban the Wazzard of Wastes?

[frigid aspen]

how long of a wait?😭

[summer axle]

No wait xD

[white otter]

should be instant

[sturdy geyser]

probably cause at the end of the waste bear fable we see someone (possibly bayor) petting a wolf cub, and at the new warsongs trailer we see someone riding a big wolf

[pliant lintel]

i think bayor was only like, confirmed to be that guy in a devstream or something

[frigid aspen]

maybe I should restart the game

[sturdy geyser]

yeah you have to relog/restart

otherwise it's instant

[pliant lintel]

oh wait, it was from a concept art

[sturdy geyser]

ah so they did show him alr

[errant plinth]

Doesn't look so tough.

[white otter]

yee

[errant plinth]

One shot, easy.

[sturdy geyser]

one flintlock shot

headshot for 1.2k damage

[white otter]

nimrod definitely looks a bit different ingame than in the concept art 👀

[random prism]

On the right build and with Duo Duelo active, you can use the Flintlock to one-shot bosses post HP change.

[errant plinth]

They took away the headshot multiplier on my sniper knifle.

[random prism]

Seems like Grace is the new Courage nowadays, lol.

[pliant lintel]

i do wonder when flintlock is going oto get nerfed. it's fun rn, but we don'T need another tethren

[random prism]

The headshot multi can get quite out of hand.

[random prism]

The pistol is fairly tame without being scaled to hell by high Grace builds.

In this case I think that's a problem with Grace scaling too hard, not the arcanic itself.

[white otter]

oh i completely forgot they'd shown off needleseye conceptart before...

[pliant lintel]

i remember when the new virtues were out and everyone and their mother was crying because grace was apparently "super weak with no reasons to use"

[errant plinth]

I'm running a courage smite recharge totem on my dagger. Mixed with Duelo, it turns that thing into a bolt-action sometimes.

[random prism]

I mean, that was old virtues, I never heard that in the new lol. All the virtues are in a pretty comfy place right now, though Grace scales some things a bit too high.

Courage builds need some damn new armor though, as they're like 40 total points behind both other virtues.

In their best armor setups.

[upper steppe]

nice looking concep tart

[pliant lintel]

that's more of a balance patch thing, chlo, like, the stats we have rn all have "we're jsut checking if the system works, we'll fix later" written on them

[random prism]

Yeah, that can be solved by a tweak, not a revamp.

[pliant lintel]

also, you missed the early days of p13 XD

[random prism]

I'm just saying that Flintlock may not need a nerf, it's just crit damage amping it to hell.

[random prism]

Ah, yeah, I pretty much wasn't here for 13 lol.

[errant plinth]

Bannerets for breakfast.

[random prism]

Yeah...

Crit damage go brrrrrrrrr.

Maybe Duo Duelo needs a bit of a nerf, like 50% increased damage is... perhaps a bit much.

[pliant lintel]

we basicly had a "warframe community" momment, where people jsut didn't actualyl try to understand and jsut jumped to conclusion right away. like, no one experimented, they jsut looked at things on their screens. tho things are still a bit like that, with people still thinking spirit is weak and that purity is the best weapon

[random prism]

I mean, heavier weapons do have higher DPS under flat DR, so I can see where that comes from in a 'considering each weapon at their best and used optimally* comparison, but that also doesn't account for differences in virtue layout making best and not best much more subjective and all that.

[pliant lintel]

like, people don't think about what cooldown reduction can do, and that, rn, with the speed of rapiers and the damage dewelion has, that's it is kind of the strongest rn

[random prism]

And I'd make an argument for Gath because perfect throw headshots are monstrous sometimes.

[pliant lintel]

that one too

[random prism]

And Gath hits nearly as hard in melee.

[white otter]

-# ok last one because importante...

[pliant lintel]

dewelion is jsut kinda safer as while you got less damage, you have a faster speed and thus get better reaction time

[random prism]

And a DPS chart is, sometimes, also not the best comparison. I use Nurash as an example.

It is faster than cleavers, not as fast as basic longblade, does damage greater but still comparable with the latter.

On paper, this is bad.

But it also eats distance for a snack and hungers for more.

That thing is an absolute lunge demon.

If you can soft lock onto something, you can clear the distance in two lights. Your lights lunge further than sprint lights.

From a comfort standpoint, it plays really nicely.

But all of that is hard to represent on paper.

[pliant lintel]

i need to give it another spin then

[hybrid pasture]

welp

[random prism]

It doesn't have the best DPS, its attacks are entirely single target, but it is probably the best lunger in the game.

If you like spacing enemies from incredibly far away and maximum comfort when engaging and disengaging, Nurash is great.

[pliant lintel]

and yeah, it gets missed, because a fair chunk of the playerbase comes frm a community that is pretty bad at looking at stuff in practice over paper XD

[hardy oyster]

Just slap on an aoe damage rat totem and the single target only part is solved

[random prism]

Also, you will randomly do a lot of damage with it.

Cus like, 2 of its attacks are entirely vertical overheads, and another comes close.

So it gets a funny amount of accidental headshots in melee.

[pliant lintel]

that would explain why rapiers are so nasty, that first attack is jsut a headshot

and let me guess, same for polearm's fist heavy? tend to hit the head more oftne?

[random prism]

That and I'm a sword nerd. Nurash is a concave blade and its third strike is a false-edge cut.

[random prism]

Honestly yeah, that and it still swings pretty wide and takes a huge step forward when soft locked onto something.

[pliant lintel]

what level of sword nerd?

[random prism]

It just comes from a high angle on top of all that.

A casual one, enough that my favorite sword is the falcata.

And Nurash makes me happy, despite the very fantastical design.

And enough to recognize Gath as a damn halberd.

[pliant lintel]

a still relatively grounded fantastical design, mind you

[random prism]

DE and their funny weapon names.

[random prism]

That's the best kind lol.

Though many would argue, sadly.

[errant plinth]

Okay, maybe it does need a nerf...

[random prism]

The whole 'that man threw a fireball thus realism is out the window and you're weird for liking it and you're ruining fun'.

Endlessly frustrates me.

[pliant lintel]

OMG yes

"it's fantasy!!! you jsut do whatever and realism means nothing!" said with enormous "i don't care about seasoning" energy

[random prism]

Fireballs being yeeted does not necessarily make the basic physics of swinging a sword any different, the basic reality of things should still presumedly be similar, and realism in one area does not take away from the fantastical nature of the setting. The lack of it, however, does take away from any feeling of immersion or consistency.

But hardly anyone will agree with that, apparently.

[teal ocean]

I enjoy the "haha funny greatsword go brrrr" side of these games

I don't care if that is just a slab of metal the size of me, I will be using it to bash my opponents head in

[hardy oyster]

The Paragon is very much a slab of metal and I love it

[teal ocean]

I would get paragon if not for the price

[pliant lintel]

that's mostly because a lot of g*mers don'T really engage with the media they consume, and barely take time to appreciate what they bring

[teal ocean]

Even if it were like 15% cheaper I would get it

[hardy oyster]

You'll be able to get it for free in the future anyway

[pliant lintel]

and yeah, the grounded appraoch to weaons the game has makes the fanasy hit a lot harder, as it jsut makes it seem more real, instead of jsut a video game world

[teal ocean]

Oh?

Are they making paragon an obtainable weapon

[hardy oyster]

Yes, Paragon founders will be able to create tradeable bleuprints for crafting your own

[pliant lintel]

it's honnestly barely a slab

[teal ocean]

oh nice

[pliant lintel]

it's jsut wide and fancy, it's pretty close toho those big sabers that existed in east asia. i don't remember the nam

[teal ocean]

I think saber is the correct term

[hardy oyster]

It's wide, fancy and very thick

[teal ocean]

or do you mean the chinese Dao

[random prism]

The paragon originally used a false-edge cut for its first attack, swinging directly from the shoulder with the back of the blade, that mind you is still sharp and would work. I really liked this. Apparently DE did not and 'fixed' it to match other greatswords, which still saddens me.

[teal ocean]

nahhh if its gonna cost 100 bucks right now give it unique animations at least

[hardy oyster]

The Paragon's blade is thicker than the grip lmao

[pliant lintel]

i mean, yes, but also no. like saber is jsut too vague

[random prism]

And it'll be available later by being given out by founders who got it via the pack, having their name on it.

So it'll always technically cost getting the paragon pack to have an original, a pack that will eventually become unavailable.

[teal ocean]

Miaodao?

[pliant lintel]

that's video game reasons, because otherwise it would look like it's 3 pixed wide

[random prism]

Oh yeah blades when viewed from the side... aren't exciting.

Cus they're, thin. Games have to dramatize everything.

[pearl beacon]

dadao right?

[teal ocean]

ah yeah that could be it

[pliant lintel]

i think

[teal ocean]

or are you thinking of the Guan Dao

it has a long handle but the blade fits paragon ish

[pliant lintel]

i just know some sabers could get very wide because their cutting focused allowed for some specific blade geometry

[teal ocean]

oh wait theres short handled Guandao too

[winter steeple]

Oh what now?!

[hardy oyster]

I mean, to a point but it's much thicker than most other weapons. It's far more exaggerated than even other fancy weapons like Gathannan

Gathannan is maybe, a third the thickness of its grip, instead of 50% thicker

I'd certainly qualify it as a slab just thanks to thickness

I'm not saying the exaggeration is bad either, I love my slab

[pliant lintel]

it LOOKS far more exagerated, but whe you look at a real great sword

[pearl beacon]

I knew he was up to something

[pliant lintel]

like, they are as exagerated as igne mora is to longswords

[hardy oyster]

Oh yeah I've seen real great swords

I'm gonna have to disagree, Igne Mora is a lot less exaggerated than Paragon if you ask me

[winter steeple]

Isn't Igne Mora... On fire? Perpetually?

[teal ocean]

I thought it was kinda like an ember

[pliant lintel]

well, paragon was kinda made with fey bullshitery song magic

[teal ocean]

Not really on fire, but not really normal either

[pliant lintel]

but purity? even needleseye?

[hardy oyster]

Also, I am not talking about how broad the blade is, I am talking about the cutting edge

[ripe grotto]

That recall and Parry 👌

[hardy oyster]

Like, look at this thing, it's ridiculous and I love it

[pliant lintel]

paragon is kinda does follow it's own rules, i have to admit

[devout raptor]

I only have a few things left in game to grind before I have everything and am caught up for now c: I'm gonna be so sad

[pliant lintel]

see, for me it's like, barely ridiculous. that's kind of my issue. it's not sized or big enough to like, warrant being called a real slab yet, it's till too close to a "eh, that works with magical amterial i guess"

[obsidian latch]

WTF is this.... ITALIANI IN AIUTO PERPIACERE!!!!!!!!

[teal ocean]

to be a slab it has to be wide

for me at least. thickness isnt much of a factor when i think of slab greatswords

[pliant lintel]

to be a slab it has to beat that "fantasy material" suspention of disbelief

[teal ocean]

they can be a sheet of paper for all I care, so long as I get to wack the enemy with something that would topple a horse carriage, im happy

[obsidian latch]

anyone can help me pls?

[sturdy geyser]

open it as admin

[hardy oyster]

It is to me, because of how much it would affect the weight

[pliant lintel]

it's made of literal song and magic

[teal ocean]

i mean yeah, but if im swinging it around, so long as it feels heavy, i dont care how it looks

with the amount of motion blur in the game it would look good enough anyway

[fervent bloom]

I would get the paragon thing but I had to pay for other rl stuff atm.

[pliant lintel]

tho ultimatly, what still bugger me the msot will always be how out of place that sword feels rn. like, it's too gold, it lacks that grounded visual. i guess it's because we are kinda lacking in term of fey design, so they jsut stand out instead of belonging anywhere

[hardy oyster]

Yeah we just don't have any other fey weapons to compare it to

[teal ocean]

true

[hardy oyster]

Besides the other founder weapons I guess

[obsidian latch]

nothing changes

[pliant lintel]

the founder bow do look even more outlandish as paragon tho

amd i will say, i am indeed not a fan of the wyld designs so far. the armors are ok, since they look liek they predate the concept, but the wyld pacts and weapons, waaaaaaay too over the top

like... look at this!

[obsidian latch]

ANYONE CAN HELP ME in private for this problem guys?

[summer axle]

yeah I think the bow is the worst one in terms of how crazy it looks lol, alder looks sick and the tethren one is like a mini flamberge

[pliant lintel]

the ivor kinda works because it seem to be an evolution of the initial concept for tethren

[summer axle]

yeah I've seen that concept, ngl I'm glad they changed the weapons lol

[pliant lintel]

but like, i will say, it doesn'T help that the founders are lowkey built out of half cut content with new not really made to fit

[hardy oyster]

Honestly, the bow looks like they took the sword and bow-ified it

[pliant lintel]

Like, i would not be agaisnt a sneaky little redesign for those weapons

like, the wyld pacts don'T even fit then wyld armors, you equip base oscelda and tethren and they actually fit

[summer axle]

tbh yeah xD

[sturdy geyser]

it was rushed imo

[pliant lintel]

i sense that they were really rushed with releasing the founders

[dapper gorge]

Hi Sam

[pliant lintel]

uh oh... am i in toruble?

[sturdy geyser]

yeah the tethren pact arm doesn't fit well with the base tethren armor

[dapper gorge]

Is time to #hoponsoulf?

[distant bane]

hello again! purchasing issues should now be resolved, and purchases should go through properly, e.g., founders (in case anyone ran into any issues). thanks all!

eg is more accurate. ok carry on everyone

[sturdy geyser]

^ try again now

[humble spruce]

ty

[pliant lintel]

it's like the second time now that Sam appears when i'm ranting

[sturdy geyser]

u can nag sam if it doesn't work

[pliant lintel]

so where was I? oh right, yeah, would not be agaist a retouch of the looks from the founders. I know the changes are essentially zero for that, considering all the marketting around it, but hey, one can hope

[hardy oyster]

You could maybe get some slight changes, they already tweaked the armours a bunch post-release

Specifically changed to the masculin variants

[pliant lintel]

the armors are the one thing that i don'T mind actually. it's the pact and most weapons.

[sturdy geyser]

there was alot of feedback about that

[pliant lintel]

the changes of a design chance are too slim to expect anything,. however, i know that at least future things likely won't come out as bad

but yeah, I wish the wyld pacts would have at least fitted the armors, but that would have been a problem since those were made aroundt he base variat

i guess i do have an issue with the armors then, the one we got should have been "base" ones instead of unfitting "wylds"

[summer axle]

unless the wyld pact arms were a diff look

they could redesign the arms themselves for the wyld pacts so they're diff

[pliant lintel]

pimping up the base variant essentially

[hardy oyster]

The wyld arms are designed around the wyld armour, aren't they? I know for a fact that Wyld Tethren has the shoulder piece that fits with the wyld tethren chestpiece

[sturdy geyser]

someone show a pic of wyld tethren pact arm on base tethren armor

[hardy oyster]

Oh you mean on base armour?

[sturdy geyser]

yea

[pliant lintel]

"wyld" armor with wyld pact

[sturdy geyser]

lol, turn around a little

[pliant lintel]

and with the base bact

same thing happends with oscelda too

[slow acorn]

GIFTING SOON PLEASE FOR THE PARAGON/WYLD PACKS! I beg you!

[summer axle]

wait hold up they're different?????????

nah I'm hopping on I gotta test this sht

[pliant lintel]

because again, the founders are kind of a quickly made bundle made form "cut" material

[random prism]

The only thing that's gonna be tradeable eventually is the Paragon. The pacts will be farmable though.

[hardy oyster]

As will the wyld weapons

[slow acorn]

no I mean I want to gift friends the paragon/wyld packs

[hardy oyster]

Oooh

[slow acorn]

not trade for it

[random prism]

Ah, okay. I guess that'd be neat.

[serene osprey]

Hello!

[hardy oyster]

That'd be nice, I have a friend I'd like to gift founders

[slow acorn]

we all do

[sturdy geyser]

they went silent on gifting yh

[random prism]

You could technically just give them the money I guess though I understand how some would feel that that's less special.

[hardy oyster]

I'm just gonna paypal them the money to buy it themselves though

[random prism]

Yeah that.

[hardy oyster]

Yeah it's not quite the same but

[pliant lintel]

ivor and thrice spurn are like, the onyl ones not standing otu too much because they are designed around the armor,

[summer axle]

so this is normal oscelda ^

[random prism]

The changed basic longblade moveset, the new purely horizontal one, has made me love Igne Mora again.

So that's my basic longblade of choice. The new moveset works wonders with Igne Mora being a looong boy.

[summer axle]

wyld oscelda

[random prism]

You start dead angling people slightly behind you, it's great.

[summer axle]

oh it's got like, green bits in it

[random prism]

Sir your arm looks infected.

It appears to have growths, lol.

[summer axle]

I guess I never noticed cause it doesn't change much from behind

[pliant lintel]

but yeah, the wyld arms just look off, since they were clearly made to look "wyld" but not the armors

[jagged sparrow]

hard agree

[summer axle]

I mean I guess oscelda's isn't that much different, but yeah the others holy crap lol

they should address that for sure xD

[pliant lintel]

which reminds me how event he sirin statues still use the old coblah sword ans not the dagger

[jagged sparrow]

when i said this previously, most people were defensive

[hardy oyster]

The wyld arms have some changes yes, they have different shoulder-pieces and have wooden decorations snaking around the arm that base doesn't have

[pliant lintel]

if we'd have gotten actual wyld armors and the current sets would havwe been the base

like if the arms would have been stand alone, fine, but like, the armors are classified as wyld

[frigid aspen]

do i still get founders rewards if I purchase it after using friend code?

[hardy oyster]

Yes

[sharp beacon]

yeah

you get all the codes including the warframe sword skin

idk whos using that tho

[unique viper]

Has the mockery language been deciphered ? Where can I find all the work that’s been done to decode the language?

[sharp beacon]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440841974826406032

[unique viper]

Thanks

[sharp beacon]

of course the moment ive gotten the seathorn im out of moranite and across the map from kith of kings

[pliant lintel]

now that i think about it, the look of the founders could probably be another case of "we're in alpha, we are kinda focused on making the game before making it look pretty"

[sharp beacon]

anyone have a taxi to mid

[pliant lintel]

you can go to the eternia garden andleave. it teleports you to the middle of the map

[sharp beacon]

YOU CAN? IVE BEEN USING SEEDS THE WHOLE TIME

i demand compensation 500 wevet seeds be deposited in my inventory this instant

last thing to farm is that staff from the new siege

[sturdy geyser]

well its not intended so

#1501332661657145354 message @hardy oyster did the faction NPC say that?

[sharp beacon]

i demand it regardless

[hybrid pasture]

would killing endless amount of enemies in the organ a viable way to level up weapon eh

[sturdy geyser]

yes

last i heard they might've patched that

do it in cogah too, and scale the enemy levels first to 60-80

[hybrid pasture]

I dont have a lot of wevetwood sap though

[sharp beacon]

where do they infintely spawn from

[hybrid pasture]

Im out of cogah, hate getting them

[sharp beacon]

now THIS is power

[humble spruce]

guys, what does that exactly means?

[sharp beacon]

thats the fragment symbol

[humble spruce]

I don't get it, be more specific, plese ^^

[sharp beacon]

you need multiple (sometimes) to craft the item with tuvulkane

[humble spruce]

it means I have a fragment of this things?

[sharp beacon]

yes

you need to unlock your blacksmith to use them

[humble spruce]

ok, but then why it shows on Sirin and Tethren?

I don't think I have any part of it

I thought the where actually a 1 part thing

[nova hamlet]

I just crafted the cogah potion how hard is cogah mde?

[sharp beacon]

they can be purchased and crafted

[midnight belfry]

need to be able to sell fragments as i can imagine some of you who have been playing longer must have hundreds of every fragment

[sharp beacon]

they are you purchase the one fragment and then you can craft them

[humble spruce]

so it is a way to say it is a Blueprint?

[sharp beacon]

yes

[sturdy geyser]

depends on ur gear really

it can be real easy or real hard

[sharp beacon]

like in warframe but you need multiple drops of it to craft it tho (sometimes)

[sturdy geyser]

pacts are always one fragment

[humble spruce]

oh, so there is no way to know if you already have it

[rare socket]

https://tenor.com/view/soulframe-curse-of-ra-poseidon-gif-10294463109344853746

[humble spruce]

damn, that's confusing

[sturdy geyser]

you can press i and you'll see if u have it

[sharp beacon]

you can check your pact compendium in your nightfold in your arsenal

[nova hamlet]

I got full wyld tethren and duelo

[sturdy geyser]

mk ur good

weapons?

[sharp beacon]

or check your pacts in your inventory

[carmine pagoda]

Duelo built different

[humble spruce]

yeah, I know, but it is really inconvenient... check the vendor, go to nightfall, check either Tuvalkane or your gear, go back to vendor....

[sharp beacon]

idk why I have 3 duelo fragments

[sharp beacon]

yeah you can just open your inventory

[humble spruce]

damn u_u

[fervent bloom]

yeah, if you watch discord chat for a while you will see something that you can use later

[pliant lintel]

i ound this and there is the name chekhov written on it. you think that counts?

[fervent bloom]

is it from startrek there was a western town on startrek before.

[hybrid pasture]

why is there so many cleavers :|

[random prism]

I mean, isn't there like, 3?

Marrow's Bane, the goop sword, and that one mockery stump?

[hardy oyster]

Yes

[tight marten]

hello!

[hardy oyster]

Hi

[hybrid pasture]

there's way more no?

[random prism]

Yes? And what would those be?

Those are the only longblades with the cleaver moveset that I remember.

[hybrid pasture]

Stultin, Nurash, Marrow's Bane, Cenotaph 4

[random prism]

Stultin and Nurash do not have the cleaver moveset.

Wait, is stultin the stump?

If so, yes, but Nurash does not, its moveset is unique, and noticeably faster.

And again, that is 3, not 'way more' than 3, nor is 4 for that matter way more.

[hybrid pasture]

oh and Falx

[random prism]

Oh yeah I forgot Falx existed cus it's just Marrow's Bane but weaker tbh.

So that's 4.

We also have 3 rapiers, and... some amount of standard longblades.