envoy-gathering

[raw tinsel]

tempest, whachu doin?

[plush rose]

ntg atm

[raw tinsel]

ahhhh okayy

tought u were doin something

[plush rose]

why

[woven siren]

He struggling to find Arena

[plush rose]

well i gave up on that

[woven siren]

weak

[plush rose]

boooo

slow

[plush rose]

you upto something?

[woven siren]

1v1 me in soulframe

[plush rose]

common

lets go

[woven siren]

Cogah run ltr

[raw tinsel]

trying to lvl up new pact, and thinking of doing cogah for the first time

[plush rose]

inv me

[woven siren]

Ooooo cogah

[woven siren]

Not rn 😭

[plush rose]

why not

[woven siren]

I got class in 25 minutes...

[plush rose]

not a good reason

[woven siren]

Fluid mechanics

[oblique pawn]

Ooh, fluid mechanics are so cool! Enjoy your class!

[plush rose]

enjoy

[woven siren]

Last one of the semester

[oblique pawn]

Close to your degree by chance?

[woven siren]

1.5yrs left

[oblique pawn]

Nice!

You got this!

[plush rose]

2 years left

still suck at building in warframe sad

[woven siren]

Cause you only play xaku

[plush rose]

whatever unc

[woven siren]

For sure, but I just want to be done now

Internships are more fun than classes

[oblique pawn]

As someone who's done their degree: co-ops and internships vary wildly in quality.

Internships are GREAT if you get a good one!

[woven siren]

I like doing nothing and watch people work while making 25 an hour lol

[oblique pawn]

Anyways!

Soulframe time;

Hype!

[night girder]

what did xaku do bro

[woven siren]

Or I drive company car around for fun

[plush rose]

unc hates xaku for no reason

[woven siren]

They boringggg

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-this-whoisthistiktok-who-whoisthis-gif-14272143391904548629

[plush rose]

you brainless

[woven siren]

Xaku is brainless yes

But, xaku pact when in soulframe

[plush rose]

no you are brainless

[oblique pawn]

They tend to have a bit of a passive playstyle. A lot of setup but after that half of what you're doing is jumping. They are one of our faves though, we subsumed Ophanim Eyes onto them and it makes them feel like a walking turret.

[woven siren]

Better yet lavos pact 😎

[plush rose]

says the one who says xaku is boring

[oblique pawn]

Anyways, back to Soulframe

[woven siren]

Mentioned this in another server and some people said itd be broken in the current state lol

[plush rose]

i just mained him randomly and never felt bad was fun to make him work

them*

[woven siren]

Who doesnt want to be a mad scientist

[night girder]

it's dumb to hate on stuff, u use what u like and don't use what u don't like

https://tenor.com/view/homero-laburo-gif-4746203129750948941

[oblique pawn]

Doubt we'll see any carryover designs 1:1

Soulframe is going for a very different vibe

[plush rose]

we need cooking first

[oblique pawn]

Could see a potioncrafting pact though

[plush rose]

give us cooking man

[oblique pawn]

That would be cool

Vials of poison clouds

[woven siren]

1:1 def not, but inspiration more so

[oblique pawn]

Agreed, cooking would be VERY cool

[plush rose]

yeSSSSSS

[raw tinsel]

welp, im not confident enough for most jobs T-T

[woven siren]

Feel like igne mora pact is ember world on fire inspired

[oblique pawn]

Asked Steve about it during that Envoy Hour he popped by for a few weeks back and he said it was def on the table

Was VERY happy to hear that

[plush rose]

you can do it man

you are closer to the book after all

[woven siren]

Fake it till you make it

Fail = First Attempt In Learning 💪

[plush rose]

anyways bois i need help with arena

[night girder]

yeah, imagine that through cooking you could upgrade your potions for better healing

[plush rose]

any one got one atm

[oblique pawn]

Nah, that's Verminia's domain

[visual wagon]

#looking-for-group @plush rose

[oblique pawn]

We mean cooking

Salads and roast mushrooms kinda stuff

[plush rose]

fired spider eyes

[night girder]

just lie, they need to train you anyways

[plush rose]

@oblique pawn

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-out-i'm-out-1-3-seconds-1-3-seconds-meme-sliding-gif-18353827383643920094

[oblique pawn]

Plus, we already do have a way to upgrade your potions kinda

So having it fill a different purpose would be nice

Maybe it could give a buff to a certain element when those are added

[night girder]

i mean, what necesity we have for cooking that potions dont already do?

[raw relic]

i just extract a nut from a mamal butt

[raw tinsel]

my course is NetSec

[oblique pawn]

Cook a Fired Fungus Skewer to buff Flame damage tick duration for example

[plush rose]

my condolences

[woven siren]

Fried rice, sushi, and sake in soulframe when

[night girder]

eh, i think that it would be a pointless system

i mean, you could do a potion that does the same

[oblique pawn]

The gameplay benefits don't have to be massive. Side content is always good.

[night girder]

and u dont have to create a cooking system

[oblique pawn]

Maybe it could be an ancestor who wants to complete a cookbook

[woven siren]

Imagine having to feed your soulframe character like kavats back then in warframe 💀

[oblique pawn]

And wants you to try and discover recipes

[raw tinsel]

yeahhh, faking it will be like digging a grave, cause thay might want to see you do it

[oblique pawn]

Ideally benefits only, not tequired

[night girder]

eh, i'll leave it to the future, for now i think cooking is pointless, maybe in the future something comes up that needs cooking

[oblique pawn]

Personally want it less for the benefits, and more because it has good vibes that mesh nicely with the game

[night girder]

i guess so

maybe fishing too

[oblique pawn]

It's cozy to sit down at a fire, maybe even with your pup, and just experiment and try to make a cool meal

Any actual gameplay benefits are just gravy

[raw tinsel]

but im the type that willing to learn, cause i learn more hands on that sitting in classes and just hearing, so im trying to find jobs TwT, IT, Network, DC etc

[oblique pawn]

Consider it like Fishing in Warframe. Most players won't bother, but for those who enjoy it, there's opportunities to just chill and relax.

[woven siren]

Def getting involved in clubs on campus is a sure way to help you

[plush rose]

good luck i like chem man but eneded up in CS

[woven siren]

Being a captain of one helped me get a job a lot

[quasi portal]

Cooking would be a fun chill thing to do

[oblique pawn]

Or like the side jobs in WoW. Archaeology is pretty pointless to most players but for those who like to explore and get lore, it's a nice addition to their normal loop

[woven siren]

A cooking item to remove one debuff in cogah 👀 (ik it already easy)

At random

[pliant lintel]

it's not easy, it's jsut the gear that is overtuned

very important distinction

[quasi portal]

Cooking to attract more animals to you

[raw tinsel]

Thanks, it did help, but some places seems to want more experience nowdays, so nowdays im trying to do online labs such as LetsDef, HackTheBox etc

[raw tinsel]

ayaiaiai

[plush rose]

happens man, i gotta grind out everything

[woven siren]

Yeah anything related to computers is an oversaturated market, so highly conpetitive. Thats why I chose Civil Engineering not enough people to replace those who are retiring so lots of opportunity rn and the base pay is increasing slowly from 70k start to 80k

[raw tinsel]

Woah, thats awesome

[woven siren]

Also a very broad field, 12 sub categories related to it ranging from infrastructure to environment

[pliant lintel]

BUT! you will get ignored and talked over by so many people listening to lobbyist rather then you, especially if you are in the urban sector

[woven siren]

Yeah unfortunately infrastructure also means politics, but we dont really have control over anything. We just recommend and suggest

Especially when it comes down to contractors we have no control over them

For DOTs there people that could spend 10 years working on a project just for it to never happen

[pliant lintel]

"sir! i have found a way to permanantly solve traffic! we jsut need to set up bus-" "THE OIL GUY SAID WE MAKE ONE MORE LANE AND YOU WILL DO IT!"

[woven siren]

Pretty much 😭, that also falls into engineering ethics of making the best choice to keep your job

Even though adding lanes really doesnt solve anything long term

[pliant lintel]

it solve the shareholder profits you mean

tho i'll act before the mods do, let's cutr this out before it derails XD

[woven siren]

I just gotta invest to them myself

[woven siren]

Tbh its already off the rails for this channel lol

[pliant lintel]

"sir, this is a fantasy game wendy's"

[woven siren]

We in the gravel rn

Time to create a presentation on soulframe infrastructure

[pliant lintel]

well i'd hope they change the greatsword infrastructure rn, cause gosh that animation speed sucks

[woven siren]

The aura purity has though makes up for it

[pliant lintel]

Like, i have spent my evening yesterday finally learning and understanding polearms, another slow but powerful weapon, and picking up a GS to compare, gosh, how are people ok with that???

[plush rose]

skip

[pliant lintel]

no! it makes it worse tbh, because you have allt hat aura having to be channeled into cope for how you'd be better with a polearm

[woven siren]

😭

[pliant lintel]

Like, Gs rn suffer from having essentially the speed/moves of what people THINK a gs has, while the game has been all designed around weapons having that close to reality pace

[lusty cradle]

Yo

[pliant lintel]

which, makes you super vulnerable to everythign for the exact same reason a GS like that would not work irl.

[woven siren]

They should be updating it

[somber stump]

When do you think we will get new house Skins right now the hut look like I'm a homeless person

[woven siren]

Idm it

I would like customization though

[old imp]

-# you're not going to be able to stop them, because they get what they want and that's all that matters to them. ends justifying any means necessary

[somber stump]

Hi there and welcome do you enjoy the game?

[pliant lintel]

absolutly. big f*ck arse sword can be cool, but you need the game's pace to support it, which the game doesn'T have. like, it's getting beaten by cleavers in term of reliability of big damage

[woven siren]

Ive just been enjoying rapiers

[pliant lintel]

they are amazing

but mostly because they are using a sidesword/saber moveset

[quasi portal]

i like big sword

[pliant lintel]

we all do, which is why i'm ranting about how the devs need to fix ours

like, you should net be better off ditching your "reach" for a cleaver

Like, they should be that middle point between the "longsword" longblades and polearm.

or like, be similar in damage to those longswords while slightly slowers but providing those wide swings

[oblique pawn]

Personally not really upset the weapons aren't really realistic. They tend not to be in games.

[old imp]

can still hit more than 1 enemy w/ LS sweep attacks

[pliant lintel]

it's not so much about realism for me than just fitting with the game pace

[old imp]

Envoy does need to tighten up their swings tho

[pliant lintel]

which GS kinda fails at due to trying to bruteforce a slow ungabunga flow into a game where enemies actually use GS like actual GS

[oblique pawn]

Mm. Fair. But there should be some fair tradeoffs for GS. Larger openings and heavier damage does lead nicely from the information an average player expects

[pliant lintel]

yeah, but screw expectations, let's have something novel that will get people hyped.

and for that, having a GS being closer to it's genuine nightmare of a weapon that is it's irl counterpart would be nice

[old imp]

Greatsword should force enemies to dodge around more to keep out of reach of sweeping strikes, polearms too. now they just flank with extreme prejudice and run you through.

I've seen as much with a standard LS in gameplay

oh, and not incorporating a dedicated butt strike into the attack chain from polearm style weapons is diabolical

[pliant lintel]

giving them "longsword" damage with longer reach with whide swings making multi hit easy with a speed in the same range as hacker would give them a nice niche and role

like, even in game i see the swords begging to be actually swung like they should instead of that wierdly cramped moveset they got (aside from the backstep attack, which is like, the one good move)

[young hedge]

Been playing for a week now and I still only have alca's children talisman, what's a good talisman to target

[pliant lintel]

triurne

[woven siren]

Triune talisman

[young hedge]

Seems simple enough

[pliant lintel]

ok yeah, juggling between hackers (marrow's bane), gath and purity to jsut compare the heavy hitter damage and flow, and yeah no, GS are absolutly in need of a reimagining

[jade wedge]

This is one of my biggest beefs with Soulframe haha. Why we using it like we're in Monster Hunter, and the NPCs using it like they've been trained by the finest swordsman in all of Alca baha

[visual wagon]

Please don’t ask for keys here. All the ways to get a key can be found in the pinned comment in this channel.

Thanks

[arctic acorn]

Oh, okay sorry

[desert shore]

The last thing I need is 2 fragments for orengall fang and haven’t found one in months.

I’m going to go crazy if I gotta open one more glades chest

[pliant lintel]

to me that's like the cherry on top, the extra insult. the weapon already feel like you are swinging it through molasse, while Harold over there, is swinging it the way you'd expect it to go. Like, it feels wrong

it should not feel better to spam uncharged heavies rathen than doing a light combo

[jade wedge]

Yeah, I think they got caught up in the standard fantasy RPG trope that GS = more damage, when in reality, it's just longer reach in exchange for no sidearm.

[pliant lintel]

you'd still get a sidearm tho. GS were the one swords that were primary weapons actually 🤓

[jade wedge]

Let me rephrase: can't dual wield XD

[pliant lintel]

i woould also not dual wield with a longsword. belive me, those are really only usable in 1h as an emergency

[young hedge]

Been picking up keys from banneret on dungeons but I don't see a chest

[pliant lintel]

source: I actualyl practice with one, and they are not made for that

i guess it'S time for me to make a feedback post on them, it's jsut to choose where to do it, discord or forums

[night girder]

yo, what do u think about the regular sword moveset

[quiet pivot]

I mean I kind of like the gs, it feels slow and deliberate with good stagger on attacks like the pommel strike to create an opening for charged heavies with big damage.
And on a side note if you're talking about realism there is no way you would have the strength to cleave through multiple dudes in plate armour unless they are made of butter haha so I don't really think that applies

[pliant lintel]

choosing which one isn't gonna get my notifications going hogwild by people trying to tell me aura is a valid substitute for good performances

[pliant lintel]

you'd have to specify because we got 3, "longsowrds" (vetch), "hackers" (marrow's bane), and "rapier (which is more sidesword/saber)"

[night girder]

i mean, i say regular sword moveset bc hackers have their special hacker sword moveset, and rapiers their special rapier moveset

so yeah, vetch

[pliant lintel]

realism is a slider, not a binary option. the game is already going with am ore grounded approach for it's combat, all moves make relative sense and feel real. the only exception rn is the GS, and more precisely OUR gs, because the enemies wielding one are wielding them with the same level or realist inspiration

[velvet marsh]

Realism be damned, I want to throw my greatsword at everything like a lunatic

[quiet pivot]

Yeah I get that, I think liking it is subjective so thats just my opinion but out of curiosity wdym by it's an exception, like you think it feel unrealistic?

[pliant lintel]

all the moves are real moves with the expected exageration to make them look good in a game. like, we overswing and the light combo is a bit basic, but yeah, kind ahave nothing to say, especially since i can yell "GET ZORNHAU-ED MOTHERF*CKER!!!" when i do a heavy, and that double zwerch as your riposte attack is satisfying af

[night girder]

yeah i think it would be nice if the moveset get's a little retouch, bc i feel like in some moves we move the sword like we're complete amateurs, considering that when we get a rapier we can move it exactly like a rapier needs to be moved

[jade wedge]

It's mainly the fact that, as Kayrozen said, the enemy wields a GS like a GS should be used, whereas we treat it like a bat in the major leagues lol. If the NPCs used the same moveset, wouldn't feel so off

[velvet marsh]

I’m sure that greatsword animations will get reworked, currently its’ movements resemble a baseball bat

[plush rose]

duelo maxed

[jade wedge]

Hell yeah How you liking it?

[plush rose]

not bad but me still likes oschelda

[jade wedge]

Give it some time, it'll become your favorite lol 🙏

[plush rose]

not gonna happen :3

[night girder]

yeah i just went into the game to see how the gs moves and its true, instead of using the gs like a gs is supposed to be used we just do stuff that looks cool but it's impractical

[quiet pivot]

So your criticism is more with how the animations look rather than the actual attackset (ie speed/damage etc) of the weapon? Or do you think its both?

[oak plover]

Duelo instantly became my favorite. Haven't used anything else since getting it.

[velvet marsh]

But Oscelda doesn’t have a flintlock

[silent carbon]

what is the mage class called

and is it tugg

[night girder]

man i love the flintlock but sometimes i feel like it locks you in that position after firing for an eternity

[velvet marsh]

The position lock is for you to admire your beautiful shot

Extra badass points when it finishes a boss

[night girder]

it has happened a lot that i just need an extra milisecond to perfect dodge an attack but the flintlock eats that milisecond

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[raw relic]

need help fighting a Gourdo... pls help me

[pliant lintel]

The exception is that it's the only weapon that gets wielded in a complelty different combat direction as the rest of the game. Like i said, the game is going for a more "grounded" approach to combat, using real life moves as the foundation of their animations to create some coherence to the world, making it feel more real. even the genuinly fantasy weapons like the big oden clubs have some "credibility" to them. from that, we actually got a combat that feel a bit more nervous, grounded, realistic to it's world

Then you get our GS that is being used in a way that clash with that, going a lot more into fantasy physics, and on top of feeling out of place with the other GS in game, also get us buttsmacked due to that type of moves absolutly not matching the combat pace, for the exact same reason they also don'T work irl.

[jade wedge]

The speed should be increased, but that would only make sense if the animations were shrunk down into more concise and predictable strikes. Next time you fight a GS wielding Ode, just watch how he uses it. Short arcs directly in front, twisting the blade to reorient it rather than dragging it from one side of the stratosphere to the other haha. Arguably the massive swings do look cool, but they take twice as long to animate (with any sense of realism) as the rest.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-helpmann-true-feel-that-thats-true-morgan-freeman-true-gif-15273165990450333551

[quiet pivot]

I see so you think there should be a slight reduction in down time between heavies accompanied by a smoother chained animations to make the player feel more 'competent' with the weapon

If im understanding the right, I can get behind it :)

[pliant lintel]

the animations where made around the performances, and it's that that's the real issue. if the weapons was as responsive as all the others, the animations could work. if anything, the aniamtions are good enough for me, it's really jsut that the speed of them is leaving my butt open to everything else because the game is actually relatively fast pace

[quiet pivot]

Kind of like the cooldown personally, feels more weighty, but I can see where youre coming from

[pliant lintel]

the current state of GS would fit more those heavy maces they announced last devstream.

[night girder]

yeah, just now that i tested the gs i was like "this isnt so bad" then i remembered that i have the attack speed totem, that's just a cheap fix lol

[quiet pivot]

yeahh I can see that for sure

[pliant lintel]

I guess another way of explainign the GS situation better, it's like that weapon is working on a 80 bpm flow while the game is at 120 bpm

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-black-panther-chadwick-boseman-gif-706000291016178533

[quiet pivot]

if they made the maces the weightier version with a bit more grace to the gs swings that could be cool

[pliant lintel]

yeah, the speed with the totem on is like... what i would TOLERATE without

[quiet pivot]

and a good way to differeniate them ig

[pliant lintel]

to me, i'd see greatswords as simply bigger longswords. relatively same damage, same speed as cleaver, but really leaning into that longer blade and going with those wide cuts, kinda like the oden knights

let them be a "cc" weapon, the bodyguard's special

[jade wedge]

And technically, we don't even have any Longswords in the game, as almost all the longblades are 1 or 1 1/2 handed weapons, so GS really is our Longsword lol

[pliant lintel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ghost-reverse-2--k01KQJ2N95YPXBPPE4WPV1GM9NV

ok, reese, now you are kinda making things up. you can't jsut say that when you literally have a hema practionner in the chat

[night girder]

oh boy

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-out-i'm-out-1-3-seconds-1-3-seconds-meme-sliding-gif-18353827383643920094

[pliant lintel]

ok, had to peed and hoped that message would be gone but it isn't

Reese, what do you think a longsword is?

[jade wedge]

Then tell me, what're the two major differences between a longsword, and a shortsword? Length/weight, grip size. Length and weight is a moot point because this is a fantasy game, so like, they're gonna look inflated anyways. Not only do almost all the models have distinctly 1 or 1 1/2 handed grips, but also, we weild them in 1 hand 90% of the time. They even went as far as to animate us using our offhand as a brace, rather than to grip the sword, for some of the animations

Vetch the true "longsword" haha

[exotic meteor]

is the black palette looking like missing space or void fixed yet?

also gold looked like orange duckshit since p14

[charred viper]

[white otter]

metallics got fixed yeah

[exotic meteor]

i didnt see it in any of the hotfix patchnotes, i last played in hotfix 4 and the colors were still buggy

since when is it fixed

[white otter]

as of P14

should be

[exotic meteor]

???

[plush rose]

man python sucks

jk

[exotic meteor]

not my screenshot but im talking about this

[plush rose]

i WANT THOSE PANTS SOO BAD

[exotic meteor]

if this is intentional this gotta be the worst game ever

like no way they made black look like that and its not a bug

in p13 it was 200x better the colors

[white otter]

that's a wild sentence

[pliant lintel]

Ok, reese, idk how to even respond to you because what you jsut said is so off on so many point i don't even know where to start. it's like your idea of a longsword comes from a dnd manual reexplained through a game of telephone. like, shortsword aren't even a real thing, jsut a vague description of some showrds that happen to be short.

[exotic meteor]

black looking like missing pixels like fully black without any texture is normal?

[white otter]

no im talking about that single thing making this the worst game ever

[exotic meteor]

it legit looks like it got colored black in a free google photoshop copy

im saying if its intentional then yea it gotta be the worst game ever

[plush rose]

calm down kayro

[exotic meteor]

if its a bugg then aight just hope they fix it

[white otter]

but like... what do you expect a black metallic to look like?

[oblique pawn]

Have you tried using other spots on the gradient to get something more reflective? It looks like you're using the very bottom left, which would be as close to True Black as we can get.

[exotic meteor]

please wait until i hop on and compare old photos and current

[pliant lintel]

i'm calm, i'm jsut very passionate about that special interest of mine

[exotic meteor]

no way soulframe players are this bad at telling graphical stuff

[oblique pawn]

Plus, DE has mentioned they are looking at lighting changes for metallics as they've been dissatisfied with them in Soulframe and Warframe. Possibly because True Black on Metal in Warframe has long looked like it reflects no light.

[white otter]

it was an issue with their newer renderer where metallic colors would lose their saturation waaaaaaaaaaay too fast

nor would they color properly in the first place

[plush rose]

aliright

[oblique pawn]

Were you hoping for more of a gunmetal black? Or what was the aesthetic you expected from black on metals? Not trying to dismiss, just get a sense of expectations as clearly what's there isn't meeting them

[exotic meteor]

@white otter @oblique pawn

left is p13 (same colors same set) right is p14

imo it looks like an awful mobile game

[white otter]

yes, the first pic is unintentional

[exotic meteor]

you telling me the pic on the right looks better?

[plush rose]

not better

[white otter]

not better, correct.

[exotic meteor]

i legit cant even possibly make gold without making it ugly orange, or make dark black metal

[white otter]

tried using literally anything other than just pitch black?

[exotic meteor]

it looks like a crayon lego set

[jade wedge]

Breh, Longsword and Shortsword are just colloquial terms used to describe "classes" of weapons spanning thousands of years and hundreds of cultures. Historians decided what they meant and what a sword needed to be to fit in that class. There are a billion books and a trillion articles/videos on the subject, and they all say basically the same thing: Longsword = 2h and X length/weight, Shortsword = 1h and X length/weight. Purely for the sake of classifying one way or the other.

[oblique pawn]

Ah, okay. Yeah, the left was before the lighting changes iirc. Black might be an unfortunate casualty of improving the look for other colours.

[exotic meteor]

if i use gray it looks much brighter than how my original char looked

and i cant remake gold colors because every gold looks orange

[white otter]

guess just.... wait for them to add another variation of gray/black then?

[exotic meteor]

no way everyone in this community alright with this, its such a downgrade imo

[white otter]

or colors in general

[oblique pawn]

Hm. And you've tried the lightest gradient of the black colour tile, still get the flat black?

[exotic meteor]

its legit the ugliest color change in videogame history imo

[white otter]

uuuuhuh

[exotic meteor]

wdym by that? like use gray instead?

[oblique pawn]

Each colour at verminia is a gradient

[white otter]

no the color tiles are gradients, you can drag around your mouse on them to get variations of the color

[oblique pawn]

Where you click on the square impacts the colour you get

[white otter]

click/drag, both work

[oblique pawn]

Lightest top right, darkest bottom left

[exotic meteor]

the left is me using gray instead of founder black

it still looks like a lego crayon character compared to p13

right pic looks like a well made souls-like game, left looks like an ai-made lego movie

[oblique pawn]

The metals used to lose a lot of saturation, now they don't. You could try using a less saturated colour, see if it lines up better?

[exotic meteor]

this is actually cool didnt know this, but still the new colors stay awful for me

[pliant lintel]

that is actually jsut completly off. where do you actually get that info??? Like, longsword is not even a historical term, even less shortsword. Ls is jsut a modern descriptor for a specific type of sword. . historicly people jsut called every swords jsut... swords, unless they were jsut saber or something really specific

[night girder]

yeah, doesnt help that when you search shortsword what comes up first it's an d&d site

[jade wedge]

That's literally what I just said? Did you even read the first part of my message? "Longsword and Shortsword are just colloquial terms used to describe "classes" of weapons" and "historians decided what they meant". I'm confused how you're confused here, you just agreed with me 🤷‍♂️

[pliant lintel]

yeah, because short sword is kinda jsut a thing in D&D

[oblique pawn]

Anyways, v4mpp, if you dislike the colours you're welcome to leave a feedback post, just ensure it is constructive and DE can then consider the feedback more easily. Here it tends to get lost in the backlog of messages

[exotic meteor]

idk why but it still looks off i tried using the lightest part of grey and lightest part of gold and it still looks darker

[pliant lintel]

i'm confused because you are saying the wildest stuff and jsut adding new things no one actually said. Like, agaisn, shortsword isn'T even a thing in historical sources

[exotic meteor]

and if i use a lighter black color it turns white

[tight wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HBI4aSzw0E

Am I going crazy or the Kith Of Kings ost sound similar to this around 1:10

Im not saying they are copying or anything, its just when I first heard it ingame, this jumped in my mind straight away

[white otter]

Lighting as a whole looks way warmer in the left pic compared to right which might contribute to that a bit

[oblique pawn]

Well, that seems odd. That might definitely be a bug, wonder if the reflective sensitivity is tied to the saturation so low saturation black is extremely reflective due to having no tint.

[analog plover]

tbf steve did change the albedo and lighting and mentioned either in the recent devshort or devstream that it unintentionally affected the wylds armor in a way

[white otter]

And that got fixed

[pliant lintel]

and like,that's on top of the other type of stuff you said. "we jsut use our other hand to brace on our "longswords" " do you know how those are actually used? 2 handed swords aren't actually hitting with your arms, your hands are jsut there to guide, dominant moving it and keeping it in place while your other hand is essentially doing the fine tuning. the way we hold the pummel in game is actually how we do it irl

[analog plover]

oh it did?

[pliant lintel]

Like, Reese, it's like your source has been some wierd armchair sword guy and not some actual nerd that held some steel

[white otter]

Preetty sure yes

[pliant lintel]

longswords were still sidearms, they weren'T massive, and aren't jsut any sword being used two handed.

[oblique pawn]

Is...there a particular reason we're arguing over the names or definitions of sword categories?

[white otter]

Or it's comin with a hotfix soon... Could be imagining things

[pliant lintel]

previous convo that has kinda been going in parallel. but also mostly because my special interest has been challenged

[oblique pawn]

Huh. Well, scrolling back it seems to have just related to how swords are implemented in game?

[pliant lintel]

it started with the greatsword thing and then i kinda started seeing red at the "we don't have actual longswrds in game and our GS are the closest thing". i may have taken it a bit too personal...

[plush rose]

anyway imma hop on again and kick some sinecure butt

[oblique pawn]

Which, our only perspective to that is "unfortunately the average person has preloaded expectations of how certain weapons work and leaning into that expectation makes it easy for devs to create balance and limits, even if they aren't realistic"

[distant bane]

CHAT

hop on soulf

[jade wedge]

Imma just end it here lol. Varying opinions on matters and both are passionate about the information lol. end of story, done getting belittled

[oblique pawn]

SOULF?

[distant bane]

hop on soulf. right now.

[pliant lintel]

wait, is it hotfix again?

[oblique pawn]

Okay!

[distant bane]

no we just playin soulframe

[oblique pawn]

Finally gonna be able to hop on soulf after two weeks if no soulf!

[pliant lintel]

also, Sam, you ask us to hop on, and yet, you aren't, curious

[white otter]

.... did i hear...

[oblique pawn]

Sam, come soulf with me

[white otter]

SOULF??

[sturdy geyser]

It's time to soul our frames

[distant bane]

wym

im gaming!

[sturdy geyser]

Gamer

[white otter]

slackin on Dracs

[pliant lintel]

uh, i just don't see your name in any of the game chats

[distant bane]

different region probably

[pliant lintel]

ah wait, right, i forgor i had region disabled 💀

old WF habit

[analog plover]

gotta poke steve enough to get him to add atleast one cowboy hat into soulf just for sam

if warframe gets one with Mesa Heirloom why cant soulframe

[pliant lintel]

also nice drip, i need to share with my palladin obcessed friend

[fast crescent]

Speaking of Steve, I miss the old late night Steve streams 😭

[oblique pawn]

Okay, wifi here is a bit slow. Will hop on soulf when update is done

Forgot how big p14 is

[distant bane]

[white otter]

was like... 3.5GB probably with all the hotfixes?

yet filesize went down by 1GB...

[distant bane]

Magicks

[analog plover]

rememeber to optimise the cache after the update too to get rid of the warframe stuff that snuck in with p14 lol

[white otter]

magicks frfr

[pliant lintel]

Steveomancy, some would say

[oblique pawn]

Hm, this...may take a bit. 200 bytes/s is not a fast way ti download 4533 MB

[white otter]

o 4.5GB?

[analog plover]

if only steve could work his magicks on Horizon 6
-# 150GB is crazy

[white otter]

nah t'is Dmitri-o-mancy

[white otter]

im slightly annoyed at FH6 cuz i preordered it, but the money didn't get taken outta muh bank yet at that point... so now im wonderin when da heck is it gonna just disappear

thankfully i ain't gonna just go broke because of that but ya kno

[analog plover]

it should take the funds closer to the release

normally how preorders work

[white otter]

yeah

wait.... i think avatar preorder took the monies straight away

don't remember how it was for forza motorsport tho...

[analog plover]

-# we dont talk about motorsport…

[white otter]

hey motorsport is good enough! don't bully

we don't talk about how the studio got shut down and everything tho

[analog plover]

i enjoyed it dw lol

[plush rose]

@oblique pawn @jade wedge be ready to be disgusted by this spread

[pliant lintel]

alright, i actualyl need to go do the kearnhold siege with a polearm now. i've been sidetracked enough already XD I need to actualyl go do it to get that feedback on GS going

[white otter]

except.... the AI in motorsport and also FH5 aswell are still wildly rubberbandy

other than that good games

talkin about FH5... i just ran into my first hacker in an online lobby yesterday...

[oblique pawn]

Hm, okay, so. It will be about a year until we can play at this rate

[white otter]

[jade wedge]

But...you're missing a point in Ohlo Por Ohlo

[oblique pawn]

4533 MB at 200b/s is about 263 days

[plush rose]

goodluck

[plush rose]

hmm time to let go of grace?

[analog plover]

naito will be playing p14 while we’re all on beta v.2.56.45

[oblique pawn]

Oh there we go. Looks like it was slow off the stsrting line

[white otter]

o

[oblique pawn]

2mb/s is much more reasonable

[plush rose]

git good

[white otter]

should be only like.... a few days ye?

quick maths

jk i don't do math

[analog plover]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shaq-mans-not-hot-math-gif-10285836

truly a song of time

[white otter]

nvm 37 minutes no?

[plush rose]

@jade wedge take that reese

[white otter]

truly a song... i've never ever listened to...

[plush rose]

try it

[white otter]

nnnnope

[analog plover]

its better to leave it unlistened

[white otter]

not into it
even if i do listen to many and wildly different genres

[jade wedge]

Haha, good man 🙏

[white otter]

everythin from folk pop, j-pop to deathcore and stuff inbetween

[plush rose]

now hop on and teach me

jk gotta get somehting to eat first

[analog plover]

fellow rollercoaster music enjoyer 🤝

[white otter]

🤝

[oblique pawn]

Welp, tanked our CPU and was forced to restart

[white otter]

wooot

[oblique pawn]

Hopefully this works better on attempt 2

[white otter]

hmmm.... i got a sudden urge for a mcflurry

but it's deathly hot outside for biking... like 20c ish...

debating on if it's worth the sacrifice

[analog plover]

sacrifice?

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalbur-umbra-the-sacrifice-light-explode-gif-14588819

[white otter]

sacrificing myself to the heat

i do -20c just fine. +20? not so much if i gotta like... exercise the slightest amount

[jade wedge]

20c is hot? I forget I live in a frying pan XD

[white otter]

yes

[dapper gorge]

Does it contribute to soulf?

[analog plover]

its 14c rn for me

[jade wedge]

It's only supposed to be 32c here today.................

[white otter]

yet i see people going around in winter clothing over here.... tho them ain't natives...
and im here dying with a tshirt and shorts

[pliant lintel]

ok, update on that, i might have been helped by going beast of mora, but like... that was discusting af. Malrog just got humiliated. wow

[analog plover]

i thrive in anything <25c, anything higher than that and i start to recede into shaded areas or become good friends with a fan

[white otter]

yeap

i mean i can do 25 ish if im just walking. anything more demanding than that and i don't exist anymore

[analog plover]

-# humidity can rightly muck off however…

[white otter]

mfw in sauna 60-70c with 70-90% humidity is perfectly fine however...

ok i guess it's time for the sacrifice..

[analog plover]

just pedal really fast on the way home so the flurry melts less

[white otter]

but i can just... freezer it

[analog plover]

touché

[white otter]

learned last time when i put a mcflurry in the freezer that them new spoons they got for mcflurries don't really work with anything stiffer than like yogurt... they just break...

[plush rose]

thats cool temp arround here just eg it

leg*

[white otter]

it ain't cool no

not when the sun's blastin aswell

but here we go...

[plush rose]

is 20C cooler thatn 40C

[white otter]

yes but also no

[plush rose]

yeah

[white otter]

sauna logic

[plush rose]

i get you

[white otter]

55 feels cold in the sauna honestly

[plush rose]

its night its 30C

hwere

[plush rose]

never been in one

[oblique pawn]

Okay, took a few reboots and force closing Soulframe a couple times due to just everything tanking disk and cpu on startup

Should be able to play in like an hour

Assuming the restarts don't annoy DE's autodetect.

[frosty juniper]

Drip check!!!!

[woven siren]

Sleep

[plush rose]

fk no

its 22:12

[woven siren]

Sleep time

[plush rose]

no

you go to your room first

[woven siren]

Im chilling in the breezeway at engineering building

[plush rose]

remember the new AC unit they installed not so long ago

[woven siren]

Yes, and?

[dapper gorge]

Good time of day

[plush rose]

greetings THE STEVEN

[plush rose]

hope it goes kaput

jk :3

[woven siren]

Oh its cool here, so it not on

[plush rose]

summer isnt there yet?

[woven siren]

I live in a state with bipolar weather

[plush rose]

which is

[frosty juniper]

Can I pet dat doug??? :""(

[dapper gorge]

I live in a state of denial

[plush rose]

pretty sure your canoe made the weather go crazy

[dapper gorge]

[plush rose]

no the steven does not do that everything agrees withthe steven

[rotund nest]

Good afternoon Gruulies

[young sequoia]

good night

[restive coyote]

good afternoon to you as well sludgeslinger

[rotund nest]

wtf is that

[restive coyote]

Orengall Pact's wolf summon

[frosty juniper]

Wolf pact 2nd ability

[rotund nest]

Ohhh

Never seen that pact lol

Oh right fancy rapier pact arm when

[restive coyote]

it's already here, just go get it

[rotund nest]

I haven't played in a while time to go update lmao

[restive coyote]

nodders

indeed

[rotund nest]

Any new main missiony stuff?

Oh rapiers are a long blade? oof

[night girder]

yeah but they have their own special moveset

so it's more like a sub-class of long blades

[frosty juniper]

u can spawn up to 3 ??? that's cool!! didn't know that

[craggy fossil]

[stone cliff]

whos gonna tell him?

[rotund nest]

Yeah but I don't use long blades at all so

[stone cliff]

that we used to be able to spawn 6 of them lol

[frosty juniper]

Lmao

[stone cliff]

that pact was actually good in p9-p10

the wolves were somewhat tanky and we could spawn up to 6 of them by using some underhand tactics lol

[frosty juniper]

If im going to use this pact a lot should I put more points into green ?

[stone cliff]

depends with what you wanna play

remember

[frosty juniper]

I miss a lot with this pact's 1st ability tbh

[stone cliff]

usually you pick a weapon then a prism to make the weapon good than a pact

[frosty juniper]

2nd seems useful af since I play solo mostly

[frosty juniper]

any weapon that i can active it's bonuses ?

[stone cliff]

if you plan to play with a specific ability from a pact you chose a weapon that alignes to that virtue

which orengall ability you wanna focus on?

[frosty juniper]

Okay let's say the 2nd one the wolfs

[stone cliff]

then you would go spirit

[frosty juniper]

with a spirit weapons ?

[stone cliff]

ofc

personally

[white otter]

-# spoiler alert: didn't die

[stone cliff]

if I was gonna build orengall for the second ability only I would prob pair it with cenotaph

[frosty juniper]

what about the armors...spirit too ? or any armor I like ?

[stone cliff]

ofc

ofc its spririt armor lolthe one that gives you the most armor

atm the best spirit armor (unless they hotfixed it) is the orlick armor set

[frosty juniper]

Okay so my current armors has courage and spirit (helmet / top / pants) that also count as spirit too ?

[stone cliff]

it wont be the strongest prob

youll need to look to your armor value on the top left while on armory

[frosty juniper]

I see i have:
52
24
26
102 total

mostly courage atm

Thing is i do not have spirit armors at all

Actually got one but it's 1 star

these

[stone cliff]

you dont have orlick armor yet?

from orlick's quests

[tight wren]

any good spots to farm Moranite for newish player?

trying to make my first pact

[stone cliff]

last time I messed with armors (when they fixed mestras armor) orlicks was the best armor for spirit builds

[stone cliff]

rare chests anywhere

sieges aswell I guess

[frosty juniper]

Orlick quest ?

[stone cliff]

rare chests are the fancy looking ones with the blue flowers

or the big metal ode chests

[stone cliff]

yeahhh

[frosty juniper]

Not sure tbh if i done this one or not

is it here ?

[stone cliff]

go talk with orlick on your nightfold

[stone cliff]

nope

[night girder]

talk to orlick in the nightfold and there's an option to start those mini missions

[stone cliff]

yep

you can do them fairly quickly

[night girder]

my game is in spanish so i don't remember what the option says lol

[frosty juniper]

Oooh chapter 1 ?

[stone cliff]

I did all of them on the day p14 released

[white otter]

top dialogue option when you first interact with him and then the Chapter 1-2 stuff yeah

[stone cliff]

yeah theres 2 chapters

[frosty juniper]

Oooh okay i didn't see that at all

[stone cliff]

do those

[frosty juniper]

Okay i will start doing it now..

[white otter]

a new P14 addition

[stone cliff]

the armor is good

[frosty juniper]

I can do magic build with it ?
tbh i didn't do magic builds at all

[white otter]

can do any build kinda

[frosty juniper]

mostly just melees

[stone cliff]

its a good overall armor

[frosty juniper]

Porfectos

[stone cliff]

its not the best armor for courage or grace builds

but for spirit, last I checked, it was the best

[frosty juniper]

Okay sounds good to me

[stone cliff]

it has a 2x every virtu

[night girder]

it's a good starting armor until you get something more specialized on what you want

[stone cliff]

like its a 2x courage 2x spirit 2x grace

its basically the paragon of armors lol

[bold kettle]

Hey everyone.
What's up with the loot from the kabocha?
I don't understand if it drops Guardian gear fragments or not? Or does this gear only drop from the bear?

[plush rose]

I need more spirit raaaahhhhh

[stone cliff]

yep except spirit, spirit its the best (or was havent played in a while)

I find it weird being better than wazzard set but whatever lol

[night girder]

by guardian you mean arbearer armor?

[worn aspen]

anyone know if the compass showing the locations still uncovered is a known bug

[bold kettle]

Well, some kind of armor.
The wiki says it's kabocha armor, but the in-game journal says nothing about it.

[pliant lintel]

someone has been using the fextralife

[white otter]

kabocha did use to drop Bromius' armor set...

so it's just outdated

[plush rose]

what is

[white otter]

but yeah the armor set you're talkin about does drop from the bear only

[night girder]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Arbearer_(Set)

[gray torrent]

Unc

[night girder]

unc

[plush rose]

@woven siren

[night girder]

lol

[bold kettle]

Oh, thanks.
So should I just trust Avacot and the game?
I was looking at some Soulframe fandom or something.

[white otter]

ye don't trust whatever site you were just now lookin at

[night girder]

yeah, wiki.avakot is updated by players so it's the most trusted source

[white otter]

Avakot is.... the most up to date one and ingame yeah

[night girder]

fextralife is... fextralife

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[frosty juniper]

I press F but nothing happen...bug or something I have to do 1st ?

[white otter]

nah just go to the other similar lookin sacks

[bold kettle]

Oh, and another thing, did deer antler weapons used to be free for telling a fable? And now you have to knock them out?

[white otter]

for whatever reason the prompt stays there event after correctly interacting with it

the Royal Tines? always been a drop from the fable but nowadays you need multiple fragments to craft them

[frosty juniper]

Same thing

[white otter]

[plush rose]

Stag can drop it

[white otter]

and it didn't complete the quest?

^

[frosty juniper]

Nope...

[nova spade]

What do I even need to do for the Burning Sage quest

[bold kettle]

Re-enter the game.

[frosty juniper]

Okay

[arctic dock]

am i the only one whos having alot of bugs when doing votives?

[white otter]

oh that's a completely unrelated thing to what you were doing ._.

[arctic dock]

i have done the same votive 3 times and still says its not complete lol

[frosty juniper]

Yeah I noticed now
after restarting the mark on the map gone

it was bugged and thought it was the task

Okay...what 3 runes are we talking about? my weapon already has 1...or is it something else ?

[white otter]

you just need 1 rune, just gotta activate it 3 times

[frosty juniper]

Oh okay so just fight and charge them and use them

[white otter]

ya

[bold kettle]

Just wondering, is there a list of all the weapons for Avacot?
I still have the Warframe habit of collecting and farming everything.

[plush rose]

game ragebaiting me

[indigo sage]

If you are comfortable with 3rd party apps little genius exists and tracks weapons for you. If not there is a browser version you can mark the stuff you have on there

[bold kettle]

And I'm also curious:
Where should I report various errors and other bugs?
I wrote to some support team, but they sent me somewhere else that reported an error.

For example, are you familiar with the bug where two maestras are summoned?

[white otter]

bugs and glitches #1438224825113120788

check if the bug you found has been reported previously before making a new report

since ya kno.... having 200 duplicates of all the bugs in the game ain't exactly a good thing

[bold kettle]

Oh, thank you. I'll use it.

[frosty juniper]

Btw...who ze fok iz this ?

[white otter]

you'll find out eventually

for now... just a shoulderbaby

[plush rose]

thats your cousin

you owe him monies

[frosty juniper]

Gotta be the edgiest baby on this planet

De monies ??

I don't have hiz monies :c

[plush rose]

3000arcs to be precise

[white otter]

you must have ze monies

[frosty juniper]

O_o bruh I'm almost out of arcs

ze monies iz nut wiz meh :c

[white otter]

👀

[plush rose]

he drinks esspresso for breakfast and smokes 20 packs a session

[frosty juniper]

Daium

[plush rose]

you must pay him back for or else hell turn you into potato

[white otter]

pota-toe

unlike a toe of ode

[indigo sage]

Ode of toe?

[white otter]

don't sing about toes

[plush rose]

abyways we need more gansta lore for the baby

everyone add a line

we making history now

[frosty juniper]

Oh god please no

[bold kettle]

What happens if I duplicate a message in the bugs?
I can't find it in my list.
I use a translator.

[white otter]

nothing really

just not something that you should do if you can avoid it. helps keep the bug tracking and feedback tracking forums a bit cleaner

[bold kettle]

Can't they just delete the duplicates?

[white otter]

i mean yeah but that's not really a reason to make duplicates

[fervent vapor]

hello fellow envoys

[white otter]

nor is it something they should need to spend their time doing when they could actually be scrolling thru to find "unique" bugs 👀

aloooo

[bold kettle]

And don't you need to send any logs? I've often been asked for them in support, or in conversations about launcher optimization.

[white otter]

only for some more severe things but stuff like visual bugs etc. no

for those a screenshot using F6 is enough. since using F6 will take a screenshot that has a buncha ingame data to help them figure out what place it was taken at

the EE.log's are also something you shouldn't throw into "public" places, since they got some semi-sensitive info on them

[bold kettle]

Oh, you can take screenshots with F6? I didn't know that.

[white otter]

yus

[stone cliff]

orlick

[frosty juniper]

My weapons already has totem on them...killed few targets but none counted...what am I missing or did I miss understood it ?

[plush rose]

Ah the bi- set

[stone cliff]

you killed ode?

[frosty juniper]

Yes

[stone cliff]

hmm

then I dunno lol

[frosty juniper]

Those guys with the mask

[stone cliff]

I didnt have any issue with any mission of those

and I did them on release

[frosty juniper]

hmm okay might restart again

ooh okay i had to catch an animal 1st

now it counts

[nova spade]

Is there anything that indicates world tree is near?

[bold kettle]

Can I ask a little about the Founder's Pack?
It says at the bottom that items are purchased separately—what does that mean?
Will I miss out on the weapon and gear set?

[night girder]

nah

[nova spade]

The pack comes with gear

[white ginkgo]

Oof I just noticed the channels in the preludes discord are gone

[white otter]

yeap

[frosty juniper]

Not really but I think you can check the dead trees when you are moving and once u see them go near there until you see a big @$$ tree with weapon shoved into that tree

[night girder]

must be bc you can buy the tethren pack, oscelda pack, or sirin pact individually, or the 3 in one with the paragon pack

[nova spade]

Sweet so the dead trees are an indicator

[frosty juniper]

Yes those we can say an indicator

[night girder]

a big dead tree, yes

[bold kettle]

It's better to use an interactive map. Finding it on your own is difficult and takes time.

[white otter]

that takes out of the exploration tho

[frosty juniper]

yeah true it's hard really sometimes to find them yourself
but big mistake I did and i wish i didn't do which is asking for help and someone actually helped me to clear out the map in 1 run

he marked trees and i just go for them straight and clear them out one by one...after that and after a while i realized my mistake

it took out the exploration as @white otter said

[white otter]

do also feel like it's more rewarding to find them on your own

[frosty juniper]

so now I'm mostly just roam around and find stuff i have never saw before

[frosty juniper]

true

[night girder]

yeah it's very fun to go and find the trees on your own

[bold kettle]

What's wrong with that? Your map simply doesn't have location icons, but you can still see everything visually.
Here, the map only opens when you interact with a tree, not immediately—"I passed here, now you see it on the map."

[plush rose]

how sould i joinery this

[fervent vapor]

finding the world trees is tricky. but its fun searching for them. i wonder how many times i passed by one just doing quests.

[arctic dock]

spirit bcz u alr will have High spirit (wearing wazzard armour and using this u should be looking at 30+ spirit)

[bold kettle]

Question: What's the difference between arcanics and voltanics? They're magical weapons.

[nova spade]

Is there fast travel?

[bold kettle]

For acorns(((((

[white otter]

limited, but yes after doing The Waste Bear

[nova spade]

Ah then I didnt unlock it yet

[obtuse rampart]

Fire vs electricity I think

[frosty juniper]

I don't get that " entry on squirrel " part...

[red axle]

eat squirel souls

[pliant lintel]

ok, switching back from polearm to my favorite weapons... mastering the flow of those really improve your handling of every other melee (aside from gs)

[frosty juniper]

Wut ?

Eat squirel souls ?

[quaint wharf]

I beg your finest pardon

[red axle]

do spirit pull on squerls

[white otter]

just charm a few squirrels

[frosty juniper]

I cought 5 aniamls and the last one was a squirrel...i thought that would end it

[frosty juniper]

Damn...

[red axle]

there is multyple tipe of squerl

[frosty juniper]

Any best spot for squerl ?

[red axle]

forest

[frosty juniper]

💀

[quaint wharf]

Usually where i find them most.

[frosty juniper]

Aight...i will go check

[quaint wharf]

Just walk around in soul mode and should find at least one.

[frosty juniper]

Cought 2 now...but still not done yet

[mild bramble]

squirrels are everywhere, it's beavers and rats that take you a bit out of your way

[upper raft]

is steam registering play time now for non-steam games or is soulframe doing something funny? 🤔

i just noticed today's session was registered, something that never happened before. i thought it might be a bug, so i restarted both steam and my computer, but it's still there.

any idea?

[white otter]

if you have it added to Steam as a non steam game, yes

it'll count your sessions playtime. haven't had it stick past 1 session tho

not a bug tho

[upper raft]

but this never happened to me and i have the game added for months already

[fervent bloom]

i don't know have not got there yet as I still have to use a rune in battle.

[frosty juniper]

It's done!! finally aaaa

[frosty juniper]

oh about this yes had to charm an animal 1st and then go kill

[fervent bloom]

I have like a hundred animals

but I have never had to smite anything or use heavy attack as everything goes down too fast.

[sharp radish]

I just joined thanks to game informer, and my friend said this game was up my alley

[hybrid pasture]

do I go to glades to find moraninite?

[plush rose]

yesh

[plush rose]

i use pensive btq

btw

[arctic dock]

its good too its even better than wazzard..

[plush rose]

yeah still thinking if i should do spirit on the staff

[arctic dock]

whats ur envoy rank?

[plush rose]

btw would single blessed ones be enough

[plush rose]

12 atm

[ember sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hellothere-hi-deadpool-ryanreynolds-gif-3578889

[hybrid pasture]

does getting 1 envoy rank gives 1 virtue point or 1 to all 3 virtues

[white otter]

1 single point

[plush rose]

can someone go to this location and check if you can float

[arctic dock]

go for
Triune Talisamn + Pact virtues buffs and go for the virute that gives most spirit.
you will end up with smth around 30 spirit and like 12 12 grace courage
go for pensive armour + silistav

[arctic dock]

not specificly.. go to the soulframe wiki.. there they show what points u will have with each envoy rank

[plush rose]

thats what ive been doing

[arctic dock]

nice

[plush rose]

but execpt i did like sprit courage prism

[arctic dock]

not needed

[hybrid pasture]

Im scared of leveling one rank up would cause my split duelo build breaks

[white otter]

why?

oh... you'd lose the 8-ception

[bold kettle]

Am I right in understanding that
Red - physical damage
Green - physical ranged attacks
Blue - magic
So they increase damage.
Or is that irrelevant and the symbols on the weapons and armor are what matters?

[plush rose]

i am a witch confirmed

[white otter]

incorrect with all of that

the last part is correct tho

[bold kettle]

How does it work then?

[white otter]

Courage gives you the most health, spirit gives you ability cooldowns, grace gives you headshot and finisher damage bonus

but yeah mainly the symbols on the weapons and armor are what matter

[plush rose]

@arctic dock this is it now

[bold kettle]

What bonus do the symbols on the weapon give?
Let's say three red and three blue symbols give the same bonus as six red symbols?
If there's 10 in the red and 10 in the blue symbols in the first case, and 20 in the red, 0 in the blue symbols in the second.

[hybrid pasture]

courage : hp and boosts close ranged blades than other weapon types
spirit : ability cooldown reduction and boost magick weapon speed etc
grace : headshot damage, stealth damage

they also buff their own respective assigned arcanic ability
courage : 1st ability
spirit : 2nd ability
grace : 3rd ability

[white otter]

they don't directly boost close range blades or magick weapon attack speed do they?

atleast never heard that they would

[hybrid pasture]

each virtue attunement caps at 5 pips

[hybrid pasture]

since p13 actually

[pliant lintel]

I need some confirmation for something, the dodge attack totems, is is on any dodge attack, or is it the perfect dodge one?

[white otter]

wat...

[hybrid pasture]

ok the courage one is confusing

[bold kettle]

So...
So it's better to upgrade the blue color for magic weapons.
And why is there a red symbol on secondary mechanical weapons then? What's the point?

[white otter]

yeah most melees are buffed by courage because most melees have courage attunement.

not that Courage itself would directly buff melee weapons

same with spirit

[hybrid pasture]

no, I dont think that's what the wiki means

this is so confusing

[plush rose]

helpu me

[white otter]

it literally says "Courage will impact the attunement scaling of most large melee weapons"

[bold kettle]

How confusing it all is...
Well... it's not an extreme version of virtue, most likely.

[white otter]

it really isn't confusing at all

[hybrid pasture]

maybe I got someone's misinformation yesterday bruh

[bold kettle]

Is it possible to get 7 symbols on a weapon?

[hybrid pasture]

well, its mainly that only 5 pips per virtue type is capped

so should be

take my info as a grain of salt

[white otter]

spirit is bugged and will show 5 pips instead of a gold pip like it should but will still give the same scaling

but yeah 5 pips is cap per virtue type for attunement

[frosty juniper]

Crafting them..but didn't get the pants..where can I find it?

[viscid gulch]

Bora Brasil

[pearl beacon]

In what way? I can reword if it's coming across in an unhelpful way

The reason for that line of text is DE's initial intent with the Virtue Rework in Preludes 13, which was to unify base attunement within weapon classes

As you can see with the nested bullet, that's been mixed up (in a very good way, imo) with the introduction of Rapiers within the Long Blade art

[old bone]

keep doing his quests

[frosty juniper]

Oki

omw to slay 5 agari :V

[old bone]

not that hard

just run around the map and do 5 of the world bosses

it doesn't have to be in cogah

[pearl beacon]

Wagiii is correct about what it means - all large melees are buffed by courage because all large melees have courage attunement

[frosty juniper]

Damn...i really forgot about this place...man I really want to see more dungeons in soulframe...I really love the dungeons in skyrim a lot..each one feels diff...and i have the same feeling here too

[old bone]

yea exploring and finding new dungeon entrances is a nice experience

a lot of the undercity is randomly generated premade pieces of the same tiles but every now and then i find a new room that makes me go WoW

[frosty juniper]

Yeah....I'm into classic stuff
explore > do quest > go dungeon > fight some enemies > explore inside this place for chests > fight boss > get out

classic and I love it

[frosty juniper]

Yeah I also noticed that added few rooms in this pre 14

I was like hold on i never saw this room before and i just take my time there

[old bone]

my 2 favourite dungeon spots are both in the undercity. the tile where you find the actual city ruins that stretch down a long walk way tunnel and the other being a giant arc bridge with a small pond beneath

its just breath takingly nice to look at

if you took out all the enemies a lot of those locations feel and look very warm and inviting

like a hobbit house hehe

[frosty juniper]

We really need a photo mode in soulframe

[formal tide]

What's a talisman called the one that has 3 color balls aura circling your Envoy

[old bone]

the paragon talisman

you get it from buying the paragon founder pack

[formal tide]

Is it good?

[old bone]

its got the same stats as a tali you can farm ingame from the crypt dungeons

+3 in every stat

its pretty much just a piece of fashion for founders

[plush rose]

alr bois signing off

[hazy raptor]

Mirifuir Siege giving me everything but Silistavf fragments 🙄

[stone cliff]

your courage and spirit explanations are wrong

they dont affect weapon dmg or atk speed

courage gives hp boost as a passive and increases 1st ability stats
spirit gives ability cd reduction as a passive and increases 2nd ability stats
grace gives headshot and stealth dmg increase as a passive and increases 3rd ability stats

[hybrid pasture]

courage : gives mainly hp boost , scales up 1st ability
spirit : gives least hp boost , increases ability recharge speed, scales up 2nd ability
grace : gives medium hp boost , increases headshot and stealth damage, scales up 3rd ability

would be more correct I think

wiki says courage gives 12, spirit gives 3, grace gives 6

[tight wren]

do we know if bosses parry window are different than regular enemies?

[jade wedge]

Can't say I've heard anything different, and they certainly seem to be the same. A lot of enemy attacks unfortunately have slightly mismatched animations vs hits, so some you have to parry a little sooner or a little later, depending

[tight wren]

yeah seems super inconsistent on bosses

which is a shame

[boreal lodge]

Parry windows are tied to your character and are influenced by specific totems. Bosses simply have different timings from regular enemies since they have different attacks.

[frosty juniper]

UPPIES!!!!

Now

[tight wren]

whaaaatt uyou can speak to her?

[frosty juniper]

Yes...she is a leader for her faction

[boreal lodge]

After you complete the stag tale.

[frosty juniper]

1st time entering this place tho...looks cool af

also UPPIES!!

[sharp beacon]

Are totems locked at specific rarities for specific weapon types ive never gotten a gold attack speed for anything other than magic staffs

I might also just be unlucky and bad

[boreal lodge]

Yes

[sharp beacon]

Wow thats explained nowhere lol

[frosty juniper]

joined mama faction....Fok the alec children

[tight wren]

where is she? I beat the bear boss

[boreal lodge]

A lot is unexplained anywhere.

[boreal lodge]

Silent rose enclave.

[sharp beacon]

I dont even think thats on the wiki

[boreal lodge]

Which wiki are you using? Avakot one I believe is the most uptodate, anything else is severely outdated.

But they're all ultimately fanmade and maintained.

[tight wren]

how do people find these places lol

[boreal lodge]

Exploration

[sharp beacon]

Avakot

[frosty juniper]

"He want a burger with no pickle" aahh moment

[sharp beacon]

The whole specific totems can only be X rarity on X weapon thing is not on the wiki

Tho im glad i know that now

[jade wedge]

Well, I don't think it's on there in any specific fashion because it's more so a given thing. Like, an animal spawns at a certain rarity, with 5 star obviously being more rare than 3 star. And you charm that animal, you get a totem, and it can be for any weapon type, and there are two totems per animal per type. And totems are specific rarities, so if you want the 5 star (3 star on the totem), then you're going to have to charm a lot of that animal to get it. So like, it's just RNG because there's several variables at play.

[sharp beacon]

Thats not what I meant like can the attack speed rat only be gold for the magic scepter but never for the long sword

[worn aspen]

its in there

click totems table on the wiki page

[sharp beacon]

Oh i didnt see that

[worn aspen]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Totems/table

[sharp beacon]

Im stupid sorry

[worn aspen]

all the rarities for all grips, and the effects of each slot

[frail pebble]

Uhm I just went with a friend to get the Juniper Bow, and we did all the echo stones but I didn't get any of the copies. And if I go back to them they're built and it doesn't give me the parts for them.

[mortal jacinth]

Logout and try it in your own game

That may be one of the only things you all can't do together since those music shrines are single-use

as in, only one of the party members can use it

[frail pebble]

Ok this did work ty

[mortal jacinth]

noice

[frail pebble]

I didn't know that one person doing it didn't like do it for everyone

[mortal jacinth]

everything else should sync just fine other than that, yeahhh JUST those little buff shrines in the world, even the non-juniper ones, i always let the newer player get since it gives some chest loot as well as the 10m buff

[frail pebble]

Was just scared because on the wiki it says you can't get that bow more than once and thought I mgiht never be able to get it lmao

[mortal jacinth]

haha yeah, make sure not to sell it!

[frail pebble]

Also out of curiosity, is there a wiki that shows drop chances? I wanted to farm some weapons and they have multiple different drop sources listed on the wiki, and I want to know which of them would be the fastest way to get them? Are they all equal chances or does the avakot wiki just not list the drop chances?

[indigo sage]

definitely not equal chance, but until DE exports drop table there probably wont be any % in the drop tables

[jade wedge]

You kinda just have to go to the item, and look at the drop tables of all the places it can drop to get a gauge of that. Sometimes people will have specific tips for best farming practices.

[full delta]

where do i put about weveet seeds not stacking?

[sturdy geyser]

It's been reported, #1438224825113120788

Search the thread and bump it

[hazy raptor]

She could be a Sister of Parvos

[frosty juniper]

Warframe mentioned!!

: O

[timber kettle]

Pavosing.

[random prism]

Specific chances are a hard ask as they'd take a very long period of testing and averaging to make an educated guess.

Which ultimately just isn't worth doing for every item in a pre-alpha where it can all change at any time.

If you ask either here or in-game though you could probably get an answer about whether it's common or rare-ish.

Just from vibes and people who have farmed it.

[timber kettle]

Is there anywhere to post ideas to DE for concepts and what not?

[random prism]

This discord does have a feedback forum, though games in general usually don't appreciate people drawing stuff and the like and sending it to them, cus that immediately makes using it a big gray area.

But if you have an idea for something you can type out sure.

Like a suggestion.

[timber kettle]

Well, mounts are a hot topic. DE could do a unique mount in the form of a snake. Which could be fun for grace focused players

[tight wren]

anyone know what the lighting rune is? i saw a video of a person shooting lighting of how his hand like many times over

[crude flicker]

I was pinged but aint no way im scrolling through 400+ messages ahaha

[old bone]

now assume your position

[jade wedge]

Not a rune, I don't think haha. But there's a weapon called Odiac, which is a wristcaster, so makes it look like you're shooting lightning from your hands. Basker's Wrest = Fire, and Esthelle = green stuff

[old bone]

kith of kings still has the best theme playing while in the main room

why would you simp for mama of the rose or join the tree huging avos when you can hang with the boys of the round

[frosty juniper]

That was the 1st faction i joined and got some good stuff from there

[frosty juniper]

MAMA UPPIES!!!

https://giphy.com/gifs/bsallac-bsallacv2-ysn01-BwNuf2GIANkZZpaobI

[old bone]

i stand with my brothers and sister as knights of kith...who also say Ni!

[frosty juniper]

Say what?

[old bone]

https://giphy.com/gifs/film-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-ALBfFB6gP1evu

[frosty juniper]

o_O

Nice!

Yaye

[tight wren]

ahhhh okay

anyoine know how to move this

[old bone]

put your back into it and put down the selfie stick

[jade wedge]

Whenever you get to that room, there's a singular ghost knight that spawns. The statue is oddly attracted to him

[amber rain]

so many bugs whenever i kill a boss and supposedly get a part it says i got 0/2 effectively getting nullified drops

[fervent bloom]

I just free animals for totems.

[amber rain]

medicant king, wraith of wastes etc

[tight wren]

ooohhhh, I have murdered him in cold blood

[jade wedge]

Yeah, took me a long time to figure it out cuz I kept doing the same thing lol

Wish they had like a plaque with a riddle or something (maybe they do and I'm blind)

[night girder]

you do get a drop, it's just the ui that's bugged

[amber rain]

yeah checked and it's true

[night girder]

or well, at least it happened to me while farming for silistavf

[amber rain]

thanks

[night girder]

oh nice

[fervent bloom]

lately I have been cutting the mobs in half with just light attacks.

[tight wren]

anyone been to the crypt dungeon where u have to open 3 crypts but only managed to find 2?

[old bone]

check above or below you, the bird will often stop at a spot where the last grave is either above or below you

[tight wren]

ahhh found it, it was after the boss, towards the exit.
I always thought it was before

[old bone]

ah alright

[fervent bloom]

no, only saw the crypt on the dev stream

[white otter]

A ye that one's a bit of a surprising one

[tight wren]

so I wasnt going cazy 😭

[old bone]

yea the bird often doesn't lead you exactly where you need to be just the room in which it is

[tight wren]

yeah bird mvp

[white otter]

You can also see the coffin spots on your map

[old bone]

they need to do more with the birdo, like maybe add them to the finisher animations like you do when pushing a mockery off your body trying to grab you

or maybe use it for a overkill animation on smite, when you smite pull a enemy and thanos snap them have the bird fly through them scatter their ashes

[fervent bloom]

some mockeries are ghosts for a bit and you have to walk around and let them jump into a body so that you can smite them.

[dry cave]

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[white otter]

Nnnop, you can smite the spirit before it goes into a body to make it go into a body instantly

[tight wren]

so is this right-
there arent classes, the starter courage, grace and spirit starters determines your prism and pact?
like Sirin isnt a class? its just a set of prism and pact?

[fervent bloom]

i tried it just wandered around and so I had to keep following it and try to smite it until it went into a body

[white otter]

Sirin isnt a class like that yeah, just a pact. Pacts decide what abilities you have

[tight wren]

its starting to click finally#

[fervent bloom]

yeah no classes, so you can be anything you want but pact and prism determine how good you are in different stuff.

[old bone]

mix of both , your pact is your class and your prism is your stat allocation. you use to be able to manually choose how much stats grace, courage etc have but now they changed it so you have to use Prisms to determine your stat spread

[white otter]

Which technically is still manually choosing where you want points but with preset ratios

[fervent bloom]

can also get a talisman to push some stats as well, so lot's of versatility

[old bone]

your title use to changed based on how you put points into your stats which was neat. now they simply took those titles and turned them into prisms that you equip as your stat build

[tight wren]

before you could put individual stats into courage, grace and spirit?

[fervent bloom]

no matter what my final thing will be I will lvl as many weapons as I can

[white otter]

Tbf said title didnt use to do anything back then

[white otter]

Yeah used to be able to manually choose where to put each point

[fervent bloom]

still can kind of do that depending on how you spend your point in the pact.

[old bone]

yea. you got stat points as you leveled up your pact which you used to allocate into the 3 stats

[random prism]

MR, not pact.

Leveling up a pact never gave you more virtue points.

Unless you use the virtue nodes, which you still can.

[old bone]

wait yea you're right im miss remebering it

[random prism]

And MR still does give virtue points.

They're just automatically assigned.

[fervent bloom]

that is what I meant, virtue nodes, as they also bump up your health.

[old bone]

yea which is why MR is so important going from MR 1 to 18 is night and day of difference in how much you can unga bunga

[fervent bloom]

my mr is still 8 as I have to do the new chapter stuff to be able to collect motes again.

[white otter]

What about bunga unga?

[random prism]

It's a bit of a grind to collect all of the weapons for MR fodder, but it's worth.

[old bone]

running around the map collecting all the motes was the first thing i did before grinding for anything. its one of the most tedious tasks

[tight wren]

finally im cooking. a new armor piece after like 10 hours 😭

[random prism]

Also, since founders does give 6 weapons and 3 pacts, can non-founders still hit 18? The current cap is slightly past the halfway point, but missing 9 things to level sounds like a good chunk.

[fervent bloom]

that is good, took me a bit to get my first armour pieces, have lot's of weapons though.

[random prism]

Is the cap for them still 17?