WE WANT A REAL RENGO NERF

[alpine marsh]

is always going to make for an incredible support

im going to be using nin in all my ember trek, event content, anything where i need to speedrun

[somber crater]

Thats why I restarted lmfaooo

[fast fjord]

she works great with other dps units too!

[alpine marsh]

she's cute too

[fast fjord]

that was just one example

[gusty isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y737TR_FsbQ

[alpine marsh]

we've complained alot about her gameplay related stuff

but honestly her designed is awesome lol

[somber crater]

I made ninfo work with liliam diting yeli and even rosa as dps

[gusty isle]

she's not a solution was was promised

[magic sandal]

i wish the characters had stories tho

[alpine marsh]

yea

[magic sandal]

thats another personal peeve

[alpine marsh]

but i give up on XD

[hollow fossil]

https://youtu.be/WXSTUwBi1DM?si=l9Fm7A2MsKtEZnyQ

[blazing zealot]

it is

[alpine marsh]

when it comes to event stuff

[gusty isle]

but she's one of the best consistant fast clear units

[alpine marsh]

its actually fucking hopeless

lol

[gusty isle]

so take that as u will

[magic sandal]

i see lots of characters being released, but i know nothing about them

[alpine marsh]

but anyways

[hollow fossil]

Samool vs cwc... make it happen

[alpine marsh]

i think this is the key

we've had consistency

and we've had fast clear

[somber crater]

#1384230665461170346 message this was my team setup and gear Liliam could be replaced with a well build Diting, Yeli, Rosa afaik

[alpine marsh]

but fast + consistent has been really hard to setup i think

[blazing zealot]

"Help is on the Way" Should Mean having her makes you able to clear if you were close.

Not

[alpine marsh]

@somber crater how much stronger is ur liliam compared to mine?

[blazing zealot]

If you were already Clearing in a minute its more consistent.

[obtuse finch]

No more examples on the close future would be something nice to do... Also a 20h capacitation on how to manage expectations 👍🏽

[alpine marsh]

mine

quite significantly stronger yea?

100% crit, 200 atk, plus 3/5 dupes

[somber crater]

5/5 dupes

[gusty isle]

yeah this is another communication error from them

[languid drift]

toastymellos has been warned

Reason: Spam

[alpine marsh]

fking hell

[alpine marsh]

stupid bot

[somber crater]

AHAHAHA

[alpine marsh]

fker

[obtuse finch]

8/10 problems on this game its about bad communication skills

[alpine marsh]

[somber crater]

mine is 5/1/5 and 5/5 dupes

[alpine marsh]

i used to think that

but honestly

i disagree

[blazing zealot]

and a Refusual to Nerf Farming Stages Causing burn out.

[alpine marsh]

module forge event

and the removal of the 3 summons

has nothing to do with communication

[gusty isle]

kinda does

[alpine marsh]

not to mention the module shop overhaul

what are they supposed to say about it?

[hollow fossil]

No announcement... they were hoping the casuals wouldn't notice

[alpine marsh]

"we wanted to make players even more angry and ragebait harder, so we did ___"

??

[blazing zealot]

Module Shop Overhaul I think was good for Whales to have something to spend on.

[fast fjord]

nah 80% of the issue with this game is that we marketed to the wrong audience of ppl who are used to easier games and spoonfed content. This game is difficult and requires planning, reading, and much more. People rush into things before they are tested, trust youtubers too much bc they want to try and speedrun, or overfocus on pvp before making sure they have stable pve team planning (which was another marketing mistake)
the reason this is an issue is because of our initial communication and expectation failures, not solely bc of marketing

[gusty isle]

we will remove the 3 summons from the shop lol XD

[dark venture]

new players pull rgb -> still can't clear rengo -> quit game -> global rengo wr goes up (?)

[fast fjord]

another 20% is that game came out without enough units

[hollow fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/nipples-gif-18634175

[blazing zealot]

I thought it was marketed as a PvP Forward Gacha?

[languid drift]

toastymellos has been warned

Reason: Spam

[fast fjord]

it is, but unfortunately still is a pve game

[alpine marsh]

FUCK

FUCK FUCK FUCK

[fast fjord]

until pvp

[alpine marsh]

FUCK YOU BOT

FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[somber crater]

LMFAOOO

[fast fjord]

and that wasnt marketed enough

[alpine marsh]

IM FKING DONE WITH THIS FKING BOT

IM GONNA CRASH OUT

[fast fjord]

lol

[alpine marsh]

YOU WANT SPAM?

ILL FUCKING SPAM

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I JUST WNANA TYPE FUCK

[obtuse finch]

They didnt disclose that change, didnt disclose how the event was going to work (exactly) before release.

Btw, the event its a copy of 1 E7 sistem and its chill, but they didnt knew how to explain that.

Ill sait again 8/10 problems on the Game its about comminication and expectation management

[hybrid pecan]

We just gonna casually glaze over all the abhorrent shit XD did from beta to now in the attempt to put the discontent on the playerbase?

[languid drift]

12inchesround has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[hollow fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-your-hate-has-made-you-powerful-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-gif-15799521

[somber crater]

they used hoyoshills and kurobots to market the game

[gilded bluff]

There wouldn't even been a request for rev nerf because everyone would be able to clear rengo and Aurora easily making rev answers accessible

[somber crater]

but I mean who else should they market with ngl

[hybrid pecan]

Nope guys playerbase just too whiny and used to easy stuff

[blazing zealot]

Thats cause every Beta had been Easy Farming, Difficulty PVE Ethernet/Embertrek, 90% PvP... What did they Nerf? They Nerfed Ethernet this time... a MODE THAT if you can't clear is FINE vs Rengo a Farming Stage you have to do to better your account.

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-daddy-take-it-easy-calm-down-gif-13696124

[somber crater]

from a marketing perspective it has the best value/user reached

[hybrid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-gif-8695905060413370166

[hollow fossil]

And drama-tubers too lmaoooo

[somber crater]

same difference

[burnt sail]

i mean i am a hoyoshill

[magic sandal]

now that u mention it, yea i feel like nerfing rev before bloodbath really took off is an oversight

[burnt sail]

[alpine marsh]

Side note guys

[somber crater]

if they only marketed towards e7 and sw gamers it would be a very small community from the start

[alpine marsh]

👀

[burnt sail]

then again hoyo whales are on a different leviathan level

[somber crater]

careful with bot

[blazing zealot]

Its because People couldn't farm BB or Lighthouse.....

[obtuse finch]

You sell the new units as a Game changers from rengo issue... We know now that it was just 1 point in the over all changes for pve content... But yet again You fail in to explaining that.

[burnt sail]

definetly whale more the any pvp whalers

[alpine marsh]

It’s

Pretty good

👀

[blazing zealot]

How are Players gonna complain about a Set they can't farm

[alpine marsh]

50 second average clears

[blazing zealot]

or don't see in PvP

[hybrid pecan]

How long does ur shield last

[alpine marsh]

70-80% winrate

[gusty isle]

seems most still can't

[alpine marsh]

That’s fucking solid

[somber crater]

talk to me once you hit 40s avg clears >: (

[fast fjord]

yeah ur not wrong, but a lot of the difficulties in communication and expectation management (although many mistakes are on us) stem from a very loud market that didn’t understand the game fundamentlaly or have the experience with these kinds of games

[magic tusk]

marketing was good, 1 mil download no?

[alpine marsh]

I would if I didn’t have 90% crit rate prolly

[magic tusk]

but the product

[hybrid pecan]

I’m so tired of reading how it’s our fault the game is ass and devs make bad decisions

[alpine marsh]

I think it’s less that

[blazing zealot]

idk Majority of the current playerbase might can... but that isn't because a significant amount of players are able to clear who couldn't .

[alpine marsh]

And more the beta

How can u say it was the wrong market

[fast fjord]

agreed the beta

[magic tusk]

c woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

[fast fjord]

was a big part of it

[alpine marsh]

When the beta marketed to our current playerbase

[fast fjord]

ill delete before ppl rage

[leaden umbra]

false, this game was supposed to be the predecessor of Epic Seven.

[alpine marsh]

That’s just a pseudo bait and switch tbf

[fast fjord]

and throw my ss everywhere

[hybrid pecan]

It’s been SS dw

[alpine marsh]

XD

[somber crater]

I mean XD played into it to be honest... it all started with the shadow sania "shadownerf" and the outcry for a reset event OR the outcry for a forced 2x event..

[blazing zealot]

Yep they made a Great Game and Cut off its Legs.

[alpine marsh]

honestly

[blazing zealot]

[small garden]

Pre?

[alpine marsh]

its so sad LOL

[fast fjord]

well treat me like a human thanks

[hybrid pecan]

I’ve never not

[alpine marsh]

we would have tolerated most of the bullshit

[fast fjord]

combination of wrong audience of marketing, beta changes, and more

[alpine marsh]

if it just wasn't for the SMALL issues at launch

[hybrid pecan]

I treat u with the same respect u treat me. I’ve never treated u as less than

[finite dirge]

[gilded bluff]

They are so adamant in refusal to nerf rengo that they may over buff ninfoniel and then turn around and blame the community

[gusty isle]

they did a pretty good job gatekeeping ppl from accessing pvp in this pvp game

[hybrid pecan]

Quite out of touch to claim it’s the playerbase who sucks tho

[somber crater]

community became very vocal cuz they were trained to do a big outcry to get what they want

[hybrid pecan]

Ngl that’s a cooked take

[magic sandal]

lack of communication is proly one of the bigger issues

[alpine marsh]

ok well guys lets gaslight kongh and berate him for multiple hours everyday

and see how much respect

he gives us back afterwards

[leaden umbra]

it's not wrong.... everyone from epic seven wanted to try this game.

[alpine marsh]

cuz thats what c goes thru

[somber crater]

and you know what, they did it again with rev nerf, they did it again with liliam reveal, and again with liliam release

[alpine marsh]

keep that in mind

[hybrid pecan]

What’s that have to do w me..?

[blazing zealot]

If I was a Spiteful Person The Community/Dev Team Deserves the Mistake of Doubling Nin's Multipliers. So she Matches Expectations.

[obtuse finch]

The market didnt understandd the Game or the Game didnt understand the market they were focus on 👀

Lets be real here... The market was a focus set on PVP gacha gamer, that market was already in place, as XD just inspired on existend games to do theirs.

[magic sandal]

even now we still don't know the reason for them not wanting to nerf rengo

[hybrid pecan]

I don’t gaslight him and treat him w disrespect

[copper sleet]

The problem isn't bad communication. It's false advertising. And they refused to admit their mistake. Nimfo is pretty much just your ordinary buffers (like Beyontin/Frey) albeit she has a very promising buff if invested, but she is not a specific unit to directly counter Rengo. Like how Batsby can directly counter red stages.

We were promised a direct counter with the wording "Help is on the way!"

People who still can't clear Rengo, will still unable to clear it even with Nimfo existing.

[finite dirge]

for the west in most gacha games they can outcry but it's really only cn that gets listened to

[alpine marsh]

yea but u are part of the community

[fast fjord]

I think both! a little bit of an identity crisis.

[somber crater]

but that's the thing they did listen

[magic sandal]

they clearly know and tried to address it, but we still don't know why it's been a problem on their side

[leaden umbra]

5 years of development, they had everything they could have done right to surpass e7

[alpine marsh]

they listened similarly to how a restaurant might pretend to remake a karen's food, but then they take it back to the kitchen, throw it in the microwave, spit in the food, and serve it back again

[hybrid pecan]

Again.. what does that have to do w me being spoken to in a disrespectful way? If I’m not treating him that way what reason does he have to treat me that way? I’m not one of the ppl being disrespectful towards him

[blazing zealot]

People hitting Inferno and having to Manual farm during 2x for 40 hours burnt a lot of people out... Tectone Included.

[finite dirge]

i don't think the cn community and western community share a lot of similar values

[gusty isle]

core issue is still time consumption and pve difficulty imo

[somber crater]

I guess you're not reading all my messages

[magic sandal]

tbh, good riddance on tectone lol

[leaden umbra]

@finite dirge just wait for CN launch to riot 1 month from now

[gusty isle]

it's why the community is always pissed off

[pseudo anvil]

1/1/1 ninfo from not being able to clear to 3*

[fast fjord]

yes, time consumption and a lot of stuff just not being fun

[alpine marsh]

hot take i disagree

[finite dirge]

enlighten me

[fast fjord]

the ideas of fun are not well thought out

[alpine marsh]

because they are constantly working on the time consumption and stuff

and are very slowly taking action regarding pve difficulty

the main isuse

[fast fjord]

yeah itl keep improving

[blazing zealot]

[obtuse finch]

C, man i have no issues with You... But next time You think on posting anything at all... Ask 10 ppl to review it.

[alpine marsh]

is that these fucking brainlets

[somber crater]

one sec making screenshots its my own fault for typing my messages in separate boxes

[alpine marsh]

keep making minor, EXTREMELY DOGSHIT decisions

[pseudo anvil]

no inferno gear either on ninfo/kloss using walmart stuff

[blazing zealot]

During beta I used to spend all day queuing RTA

[gusty isle]

both

[blazing zealot]

[alpine marsh]

that literally cannot be considered anything but ragebait

[hollow fossil]

5 turn cool downs are trash

[hybrid pecan]

Has Lily

Links his Nin rengo clear

[fast fjord]

yeah it’s on me

[alpine marsh]

like removing the 3 summons from the event shop

[blazing zealot]

Now I spend 4 Hours in Shell Farming and Not Even Rengo....

[somber crater]

@finite dirge this is what I meant, I wasn't talking about CN community and Global

[hybrid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/fed-up-im-of-you-gif-24805995

[hollow fossil]

Her healing and shield might as well not exist

[alpine marsh]

pisses 10x more than than rengo not being nerfed yet

like you literally took THE BEST part of the game

[finite dirge]

o yeah in that context it makes sense

[fast fjord]

👀

[pseudo anvil]

so yes in fact ninfo does help with rengo

even at 1/1/1

[hollow fossil]

The 80% buff should be with or with out shield

[hybrid pecan]

LILY ACCOUNT

[fast fjord]

your biggest cook of all time

[pseudo anvil]

yall just need to learn to build/setup your units better

[fast fjord]

we havent handled this well

[alpine marsh]

i read that

[hybrid pecan]

Lily acct

[alpine marsh]

extrmeely wrong

[hybrid pecan]

Everyone just be better. Pull Lily and it’ll be fine

[fast fjord]

shadow sania reset was where everyrhing went wrong unfortunately

[blazing zealot]

Wait Darkmoon Kloss is so good Oh wait its locked behind Sharon

[small garden]

It's 60% at 1/1/1

[blazing zealot]

[hybrid pecan]

Nin made rengo easy by inserting Lily into my team

[pseudo anvil]

u can see i used non inferno one p sure u can clear non inferno sharon

[somber crater]

still think devs need to learn to stand their ground and just say no, exactly like they are doing with Rengo nerfs, even tho I wouldn't mind rengo nerfs

[hybrid pecan]

Take Lily off ur team see what happens

[pseudo anvil]

u dont need inferno gear to clear inferno

[alpine marsh]

i read this as ||"you have the biggest cock of all time" ||

[hybrid pecan]

I’m just curious

[alpine marsh]

[blazing zealot]

Whats your Diting looking like

[pseudo anvil]

if i take her off id play bruiser slow clear

[hybrid pecan]

W or w/o new unit

Just wondering

[obtuse finch]

And it was a communication mistake... That one on XD devs.

[magic sandal]

even if i ignore the 3 summons problem, i wanna know why devs can't write patch notes for even minor changes, does everything need to be a stealth patch?

[blazing zealot]

True they shouldn't have Changed anything Regarding PvE Balance unless it was nerfing the stages.

[hybrid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-laura-ingraham-saturday-night-live-thats-it-there-we-go-gif-25068506

[fast fjord]

yes

[obtuse finch]

Mute its gone uh 🤣

[fast fjord]

we messed up by not standing ground early on and losing identity and creating confusion and chaos

[hybrid pecan]

Thank God

[blazing zealot]

The PvE Nerfs that got put out from listening to players was the only thing that kept my hope alive.

[zinc bronze]

Dunno what's more entertaining Sharon Inferno with troll builds or pvp in this chat

[blazing zealot]

Disagree if yall didn't give the Reset you would have lost a lot more players.

[somber crater]

you should run sharon with Batsby

[blazing zealot]

Vocal Playerbase Making Demands > No Playerbase Due to bad Choices.

[zinc bronze]

That are immune to debuffs

[small garden]

All dat investment isnt a troll build

[somber crater]

just do it for the troll >: (

[pseudo anvil]

the reset that they gave regarding sania was fault from both sides yes but it didnt even need to happen in the first place. Everyone who reseted sania ran back to her some days later bcs they couldnt clear nana/hoyan/terror inferno it was just a sorry excuse for a reset.

[small garden]

An actual troll build

[pseudo anvil]

same for ppl crying abt vero change to soul ward look at her she didnt get touched and is at top of meta

[blazing zealot]

They nerfed Veronika Directly

They needed to give a Reset

[gilded bluff]

I remember as a f2p when I first played inferno niconana after easily clearing hell IV dungeons I was like wtf is this

[alpine marsh]

Ngl, i still think one part of communication is missing, and maybe c you can educate me on why this is not a good idea or hasn't been done, but i think devs need to clearly educate the community on what their expectations are, and what they want progression to look like.

How long do they expect us to take to come up with inferno teams? How long are we expected to farm to get a certain shell, or how long are we expected to need to progress through inferno shells and get to a point where we can stably clear rengo. I understand its extremely hard, but i feel like a statement similar to

"we have designed rengo's difficulty to be tackled after 2-3 months of gameplay. However, we recognize that the rng aspects of the fight creates frustrations for players and we are looking into adjustments to tune this down"

Would be incredibly helpful, albeit it will definitely piss people off but at least it sets a standard

[magic tusk]

true,, few people that defended dev at that time is not here anymore, while we the vocal ones are still playing till today

[blazing zealot]

They gave us Expecation of What Progression should look like called hyperlink Charter. The issue is it fell apart from beta to release due to them buffing farming stages 300%

[magic sandal]

was it really that much easier in beta

[zinc bronze]

I also try it with Doki but she give too much push for Diting and he go first before buff

[magic sandal]

i wasn't here then

[zinc bronze]

[fathom pike]

The KPIs speak for themselves. It doesn't matter what you think caused the confusion, or if you think players are doing proper research. The fact is that people are bailing because the dev team insists on creating false barriers to PvP--which is, by consensus, the endgame.

[pseudo anvil]

they didnt nerf vero directly they changed a mechanic for a buff she provides. Hoyan has same buff. But ppl cried abt it like unit died while in fact she was insane last and this season. If anything deserved a reset event so far its the rev change they did as it in fact looked like they killed off playstyle completely but looking at yeon still being a mythic with 57% wr it tells u that rev cleave is still very viable if drafted properly

[blazing zealot]

Yes the game was healthy and balanced... Lian was viable in most dungeons.

[spare crown]

Devs should learn from this mistake and not advertise 2 units as rengoku killers. They clearly tested both these units at max lattice and pair with liliam who is also max lattice which is why they thought these two units are the help

[gilded bluff]

Like everything was gating towards shadow sania that was hell for me then

[blazing zealot]

Thats a Direct Nerf.

[spare crown]

This new chick ninofiel doesnt work properly without lattice on s3

[alpine marsh]

i mean as a minnow spender (around 120-150 total maybe?), playing almost everyday since launch, i feel like i should be able to not only clear rengo, but be able to do so comfortably by now... however, i've only just been able to do so after ninfo...

U can say skill issue, u can say player issue or whatever

but i just think as someone who has played the game, MORE THAN CASUALLY, since launch, i should have bene able to at LEAST clear all the FARMING CONTENT in the game without frustration

i don't full clear async

i don't full clear hard mode ember trek

[blazing zealot]

Rengo SHOULD be Autobale with 1 Mythich Shell with 3 Red Tier Passive, and 3 Animus at level 50 at around player level 55*

[pseudo anvil]

direct = change to unit
indirect = change regarding mechanic that unit takes part off in this example soul ward. Its not her unique buff its a buff that exists on others so it was indirect nerf. If they per say changed how lily twin trick , tiamat bloodshed or such buffs for then its a direct nerf.

[alpine marsh]

or ethernet rally

because i don't like to spend that much time devising strategies and throwing my head against the wall

against annoying content

and thats ok

and i am ok with not getting that hardmode ember trek lattice

cuz i haven't spent the time to do so

and thats fine

[spare crown]

Anisync and ember trek is resetting until u get good rng

[alpine marsh]

ALSO HOLY FUCK

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HUGE COUNT

[blazing zealot]

Imagine Nerfing Ethernet Rally before a Farming Stage.

[alpine marsh]

WOOOOOOO

[blazing zealot]

[fathom pike]

And all of those strategies are predicated on speed tuning...which is 100% dependent on at least 5 layers of RNG.

[fathom pike]

Or lattice.

[alpine marsh]

YESSSSS

[gusty isle]

pretty sure most ppl are the same

[spare crown]

there was no reason for these guys to make rally which is biweekly a pain in the ass to do

[alpine marsh]

FURYedge woulda been better

But that’s so fucking goooooood

[gilded bluff]

As a f2p I don't think I would have waited this long just to clear farming content it was actually mind boggling

[magic sandal]

yea feels too tedious

[gusty isle]

which is really bad u lose too many lattices

[magic sandal]

surely there's a better way to fight random mobs

[spare crown]

Ember trek and rally should not be tedious to do

[magic sandal]

maybe even a skip for those random mobs

[alpine marsh]

Yea

Like I tolerate it

Because ik I can clear it if I spend the time

[spare crown]

they made rally and ember trek tedious cause they are out of actual content for people so they made them rng to make people waste time on them

[alpine marsh]

And at the end of the day it’s end game content kinda?

But the QoL is so shit

Guys

U wanna hear something funny

im being 100% serious when i say this

[gusty isle]

it's still really bad

[alpine marsh]

i play ember trek before i go to bed

because it helps me go to sleep faster

like im 100% deadass

[gusty isle]

it's another gatekeep to pvp to the majority of playerbase

[alpine marsh]

normally i like to like, read manhwa or doomscroll before i slepe

which is really bad

[gusty isle]

thought this was a pvp game no?

[alpine marsh]

cuz i don't end up sleeping for another like, 30-45 minutes

[gilded bluff]

If inferno was not nerfed majority of the f2p would still be unable to 10/10 auto farm niconana

[alpine marsh]

but when i play ember trek before bed

legit 2 stages in

my phone is fking falling out of my hand

and i can turn the light off and sleep well

[spare crown]

Locking rewards behind rng pve stages is why this game is failing

[alpine marsh]

[spare crown]

i do it on pc

[alpine marsh]

sidenote

whats the best set for liliam count?

[spare crown]

no way im wasting my phone battery on these shitty rng stages

[alpine marsh]

fury keeneye furyedge?

[gusty isle]

ember trek hard

[spare crown]

depends on how u use her

if u use her with lots of debuff then momentum fury is better

[alpine marsh]

LMAOOOO

hmmm

[gusty isle]

fking garbage design

[alpine marsh]

but generally i think keeneye fury is bis right

[magic sandal]

NO WAY AHAHAHAH

[alpine marsh]

like for general "dps" usage

cuz alot of stages u can't debuff

so

[magic tusk]

clearing without vice is insane

[spare crown]

Yeah wat i said wasnt okay with the game and some whiteknight was telling me i was lazy to do it just cause i got rnged 7 times before giving up

Lazy to do a 30+ min pve stage

[magic sandal]

if it was interactive i'd be fine with it

but if it's just a sustain slogfest

[alpine marsh]

btw

[gusty isle]

and u lose a gold lattice

[alpine marsh]

would count ever really be run on like

[magic sandal]

i'd fall asleep 2 mins in

[alpine marsh]

cleave dps?

im talking about stuff liek

rin

[gusty isle]

and need more time to get to pvp

wp XD

[somber crater]

want to say nice job on these markings @fast fjord 👍 way more clear than before

[alpine marsh]

I have this count in storage

[gusty isle]

when I was climbing I fought someone 4 times in a row in fking plat

[alpine marsh]

and i just got a fury momentum swiftraid count

[spare crown]

most of the ember trek and anisync is just slogfest

[alpine marsh]

rn my liliam is using a non-swiftraid count

non-inferno count i mean

[spare crown]

shadowrunner was literally just spam lily s2 with vice taunt and kazuyo sleep mobs

[alpine marsh]

i wonder if i should swap it over to swiftraid..

but im worried itll fuck my tuning lmao

actaully fuck

it 100% will screw my tuning up

lol

[gusty isle]

imprint it

[vagrant moon]

That was so badly designed. Just an RnG reset fest to see if your Vice would fail to taunt 3 times in a row in a 20 min long fight.

[alpine marsh]

no im cooked if i imprint it...

O.o

[spare crown]

yeah most of anisync and ember trek is just this

[alpine marsh]

if i make my liliam too fast for pve

im cooked

[spare crown]

reset and hope for good rng

[gusty isle]

just another layer to burn the player base out

[magic tusk]

meanwhile apate

[vagrant moon]

And now they’ve element locked the latest one so it’s just a “do you have a latticed Xiada?” check 😩

[magic sandal]

rng in battles is fine till u fail taunt 3 times in a row 20 mins into a 30 min battle

[gusty isle]

kururu?

[magic tusk]

you guys have any lineup for apate other than rosa/xiada/rahu?

[spare crown]

yes and u have to do this if you want to progress ur account as they contain lattice and mats to level up ur units
If you do and u get shit by rng then frustrations and burnout happens

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-i-do-chris-rock-saturday-night-live-yes-yep-gif-23427719

[finite dirge]

which boss is this?

[magic tusk]

cause im not maxing any of them just to beat 1 stage

[gusty isle]

ember trek 42 hard

[finite dirge]

oh hard astarte

yeah nah that is just rng cancer

[vagrant moon]

I just set this on auto for that and walked away.

[finite dirge]

[blazing zealot]

YEP The Changes to union front made me happy I can Add something else to my Top 5 List.

[somber crater]

they changed the details ui tho not a fan of that

[magic sandal]

holy

[somber crater]

now I got to check through my own union members to see who they attacked

instead of having an overview of all enemy garrisons and see attack fails/wins

[tropic totem]

THREADS ARE GETTING LOCKED

[trail narwhal]

No consistency in mine. Just a did 5 test run with her. Somebody dies. After a few runs

[alpine marsh]

same here but

im pretty sure its because my liliam doesn't crit

cuz 89% crit rate

usually i get 7/10 success or 8/10 success

seems about right

cuz 10% failrate frmo kloss defense break fail

another another 10% from not critting

[trail narwhal]

I have 114% crit rate. Kloss is dead or liliam is dead. Her shield is sighhhh

[alpine marsh]

i 1/1/4 mine

cuz i think she's gonna be a strong mainstay support

shield is big enough to sometimes not get oneshot

[wary atlas]

she will be great when bruiser r ton down

sometimes cleaver just need a bit of extra protection before execution

[alpine marsh]

can someone explain to me

how the fuck

rengo damage works

i don't understand why in the world my ninfo would EVER have the lowest hp on the team

like how is a dark rengo dealing more damage to my blue ninfo

than the rest of my team it doesn't make sense

???

[trail narwhal]

Mine is 3/1/4. for the speed. Still dying. Kloss is always dying sigh

[alpine marsh]

who

kloss or

ninfo

oh ninfo

i assume

kloss dying shouldn't matter tho no?

[trail narwhal]

Yes ninfo is 3/1/4

[trail narwhal]

No kloss no debuff and liliam will hit like a wet noodle

[alpine marsh]

yea but

should only need initial kloss debuff no?

[hidden seal]

It's nice to have a second reapp

Depending on the team

[trail narwhal]

??? What? Her debuff is not forever lol

[hidden seal]

Might only ever need one application with Dark Moon though

Haven't bothered testing

[stuck condor]

@fast fjord why are you locking topics left and right just becuase you dont like the feedback? Saying people dont understand the unit while you are posting youtube videos with Lily clears is very tone deaf.

[lost karma]

I remember when @trail narwhal was a white knight

[trail narwhal]

Nah they dont want to hear that. 😂 you got to go learn how to build. Cause people feedback is wrong

[trail narwhal]

I I agree or disagree with things.

[fast fjord]

havent locked anything in a while and it was temporary

I encourage people to research more before saying the units are trash

that is all

[blazing zealot]

He just locked the best thread mine /s

[fast fjord]

i dont want a liliam situation

and nobody else should either

yes a video has lily in it but doesnt mean thats the only video or research being done

[alpine marsh]

Liliam fast team will kill before dark moon kloss debuff wears off

[trail narwhal]

Without the situation liliam wouldn’t have this buff, and these ninfo clearls will be even more impossible

[blazing zealot]

im using my Goat Massiah

[alpine marsh]

No

Liliam pve not problematic rn

[blazing zealot]

but he is 5/5/5 P5

[alpine marsh]

Her PvP is fucked

lol

Like beyond fucked

It’s actually

[fast fjord]

yes

[alpine marsh]

Really bad

[stuck condor]

then post a video wiithout lily, help people with that research you are harping about

[alpine marsh]

To the point that it threatens the health of rta

[fast fjord]

if we buff these two units in any way pvp will be fucked too

[alpine marsh]

For the foreseeable future

It’s THAT bad

[fast fjord]

theyre alr massive changes to pvp

people will see soon

[blazing zealot]

Only One Solution

[stuck condor]

she was supposed to help most people with rengo, so prove it

[blazing zealot]

[alpine marsh]

I’m on c with this one ngl

[stuck condor]

its not that hard

[fast fjord]

lmao

[alpine marsh]

Ninfo seems goated

[trail narwhal]

The they they nerfed revelation to only apply to PvP shows they could have done that for liliam

[blazing zealot]

I don't even need to say it

[trail narwhal]

Cause the complaint was PVE focused

[fast fjord]

and again if these units were available from the beginning I would say rengo doesn’t need a nerf and shut down those statements too but the timing and current situation make it hard to fight against

[zinc bronze]

Oh pvp is still here

[fast fjord]

bc it is a real solution, just doesnt make sense for a lot of ppl who may not have good team investments yet and r stucj

[blazing zealot]

That I can Agree with slightly I still think the game would be healthier with a farming stage nerf so more fun more variety

[fast fjord]

the only sad part is that the only really fun thing about this game rn is the pve challenge even if it’s hard it’s fun. The game needs more fun in general bc if the pve gets nerfed to be easy it doesnt have enough yet to keep people interested

[zinc bronze]

Today i nerfed sharon to the ground she even forgot she have dispells and 200% bonus dmg

[fast fjord]

that’s why im not full team nerf yet

we got bigger issues

😭

[trail narwhal]

It does need a nerf. I am still yet to see one person whose was in hell IV, use ninfo to clear rengo. All I’m seeing and same with my account is faster clear but no consistency and no fix to rengo rng. Which is the problem.

[blazing zealot]

I think its a mindset thing because these stages are farming I find them to be as Fun as say Investigation.

[alpine marsh]

ok i mean tbf

[fast fjord]

there are counter arguments to be made but i wont cause a war here

[alpine marsh]

i went from clearing rengo with less than 40-50% winrate (being generous) to clearing it with 70-80% winrate

[blazing zealot]

I think this Difficulty + Some is Fine for Anisync/Ethernet/Embertrek/Events.

[alpine marsh]

just by replacing red cachi with a 1/1/4 ninfo

thats a pretty reasonable upgrade

considering my fails are mostly due to liliam not critting LOL

[stuck condor]

which non lily counter arguments, im still waiting for the reciepts

[magic sandal]

can we also address the endgame pve contents end up becoming 30 min sustain slogfests

[alpine marsh]

btw @trail narwhal what shells do u run on lily?

[trail narwhal]

Nah cause a war. Because if you say this unit is the solution to rengo then it should be given that. She is not a solution she is an option or alternative.

[trail narwhal]

My lily is on artisan for survival speed 302.

[alpine marsh]

hmmm

[fast fjord]

and the solution is having more options and tools at rhe end of the day

[alpine marsh]

try jackal!

[fast fjord]

so that people have more to work with

so yes it is still a solution, but poorly timed with current environment

[stuck condor]

this wasnt supposed to be an option, it was touted as the cure

[fast fjord]

the tool given has made a significant impact

[blazing zealot]

Slight*

[alpine marsh]

hmmmm

[fast fjord]

yes at 1.1.1 it wont oneshot rengo

[stuck condor]

it wasn't supposed to help people clear faster it was supposed to help people clear

at least that was what was said

[alpine marsh]

im not sure tbh

[trail narwhal]

They should say that. Instead pull baiting people. That whole statement was not needed. Because it give wrong impression and expectations to people. Same way they say dreamscape will fix the economy. Or liliam they way she was advertised. It’s these words that make people act the way they do.

[alpine marsh]

its debatable for sure i think

im comparing to like e7 for example

where if u pull the character for pve content (rifts)

its literally free

u pull the unit the farm is completely free

obviously

[stuck condor]

so show me non lily teams that it is helping clear, even if its 5 min clears

[alpine marsh]

different game

different climate

[blazing zealot]

There are two Solutions....

[alpine marsh]

but thats what a "solution" looks like imo

[zinc bronze]

But Sania with Viper alr give u 90%+ winrate its slow like 2-3 minute but stable

[blazing zealot]

and one is one we don't want...

[alpine marsh]

u need yeli no?

[blazing zealot]

[magic sandal]

i think the lesson to be learned here for the devs is to not sell units as the solution, rather just release and let players realize it's a solution thru their own theorycrafting

[left terrace]

buff rengo

[alpine marsh]

and respectuflly thats kinda irrelevant cuz safe clears have always been a "solution"

[magic sandal]

managing expectations 101

[blazing zealot]

Or they could have given Every Inferno the NicoNana Treatment.

[alpine marsh]

but its the consistent, FAST clears that are really difficult

[blazing zealot]

[alpine marsh]

u really need optmized teams and strong gearing

to run the 1 minute rengo teams consistently

[trail narwhal]

People learnt to figure out and test other units because they were not marketed as solution to an ongoing complaints. You can’t say this is a solution and people use that solution it’s not working. Fuqui, holden, and many SSR weren’t sold as solutions. So no rage

[lost karma]

People need that sense of accomplishment when you farmed rengo for the thousandth time

[blazing zealot]

Same Level of Accomplishment

The Difference is this doesn't ruin my Ability to Try things in PvP

[lost karma]

So true. They need to buff those stages

[blazing zealot]

The Holden Doomposting was Crazy

WAIT

HOLDEN GOT BUFFED

LILLIAM GOT BUFFED

[alpine marsh]

who tf

doomed holden

huh

[blazing zealot]

@fast fjord They gonna buff Nin

A Lot of Folks in the first few day.

"Terror Bot"

"Not Great in PvP"

[alpine marsh]

thats wild

[blazing zealot]

Hoyan not Doomposted no buff...

[fast fjord]

painful day for me

[magic sandal]

time to doompost every unit so they get buffed (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[copper sleet]

I think people doomposted Hoyan more than Holden. Holden was already good from release and people say to reset Lian for Holden.

[stuck condor]

or they could you know, nerf rengo

[blazing zealot]

People were saying Pull Hoyan for PvP and Holden for PvE

....

One of them got buffed and is decimating PvP....

and is basically 100% pick ban

[copper sleet]

Yea. But I remember prywden rated Hoyan low even in pvp and Holden was rated great for both pve pvp.

Kinda regretted not getting Hoyan for collection cause I ate the doompost.

[stuck condor]

thats cuz hoyan lost her defense ignore

she would have been great with it

[copper sleet]

She is kinda niche, but, seeing that they dont have plan to rerun units or do rotating banner, better collect all in case they end up getting meta or buffed one day.

[hidden seal]

The good news is that not enough people are around anymore to give it as much steam as Liliam

[trail narwhal]

Where was Holden doom post?

[lost karma]

No clue

I thought everyone thought he was the must pull and hoyan was the skip

[trail narwhal]

Even hoyan was just written off. Thread of feedback wasn’t this angry because they simply sold as units, not solutions. Who ever is in the marking team needs to saying shit they can’t fulfill

[wary grove]

I think we give up on rengo guys, we need to get back to lattices

[blazing zealot]

A Lot of People were justifying skipping bro

he also got buffed...

which was wild.

[wary grove]

Yep, people were like "holden is just a terramotan dispel bot"

[blazing zealot]

You don't need Lattices if PVE is balanced.

[copper sleet]

Yeah. That's the issue. She's pretty much your usual buffer like Frey/Beyontin. But she was sold as the answer to Rengo Inferno RNG fest issue.

If they just shut up and didn't bring about Rengo, the outrage wouldn't be like this.

[blazing zealot]

You can specilize more in PvP instead of Wasting 30 of your 70 Lattice on PvE Only units.

[copper sleet]

Cause this is pretty much fake advertising.

[pseudo anvil]

She does help with rengo tho

[short dew]

shes S tier pve, just not in rengo

you need 2 lattices to reach her ATK up

and then shes beyontin with a shield. extremely good

[pseudo anvil]

She single handedly reduces amount of rng when fighting rengo

[short dew]

its her type that makes it still rng. she replaces viper who has atk down

youll randomely get one shot throughout the run

[pseudo anvil]

U wont

[finite dirge]

my 5/1/5 kloss and 1/1/5 rilmo

[pseudo anvil]

And she doesnt replace viper

[short dew]

you need to run speed team or faster standard

slow team you get cooked

[trail narwhal]

Exactly what I’m saying. They use word like “dreamscape will fix the economy” “liliam a powerful unit with this much damage using revelation shell” “ninfo a solution to rengo extensively tested” l and they don’t deliver!!!

[pseudo anvil]

She isnt for slow rengo clears but for one shot ones

[short dew]

show your team

[alpine marsh]

right...

[blazing zealot]

So Win More not a Solution

[pseudo anvil]

I sent above a 111 ninfo helping 1st clear rengo inferno with walmart gear no inferno shells 3*

[alpine marsh]

i would say so tbh

[lament scaffold]

Be carefull he might close this one too cuz we making too much noise about the new units xd

[trail narwhal]

Then when people say wait this is not what I’m experiencing mods start gaslighting you! Saying it’s just an option, it’s rng it will balance out, it’s data they are collecting. Like wtf for real

[copper sleet]

I actually like dreamscape event despite how absurd rng fest that was.

[short dew]

then how can u talk to me about consistency lol

[alpine marsh]

also

[pseudo anvil]

No she reduces rng by a big portion due to being a buffer, dmg mitigation and immunity so no silence / atk down / def down happens in the window of one shotting rengo

[alpine marsh]

ariadne whats the definition for warlmart gear

[blazing zealot]

You are literally describing Winmore....

not a Silver Bullet

[alpine marsh]

eh i disagree

winmore is going from

2-3 minute rengo slow clear with 100%

to 1 minute 100% clears

thats winmore

[short dew]

bro shes only good in lily teams

[blazing zealot]

oh...

So she isn't even Winmore...

[alpine marsh]

i think going from 40% success rate rengo to 80% scucess rate rengo

isn't win more

thats

actually a straight up just improvement

[short dew]

she doesnt add anything a viper team wouldnt lmao

5 sec cd on s3 is too long for a long rengo fight

[pseudo anvil]

Only speed set gear very mediocre investment. The clwar i sent used a total of 4 lattice in lily s1 and 12 in diting. IF gear wasnt dogshit, shells had at least right passives and IF she was 1/1/3 that wouldve been easily 100% clear for 2 lattice investment

[alpine marsh]

how fast tho

[pseudo anvil]

Only lily was outspeedung the 1st ad

[alpine marsh]

really wtf

lol

[pseudo anvil]

And due to speed buff ninfo was cutting in to s3

[alpine marsh]

i mean ig for frst clear

but like

first clear is kinda whatever

[pseudo anvil]

Then kloss diting played

[trail narwhal]

A solution will be tankier shields, and higher healing, low cool down. or actually nerfing the boss. Not let me shave off 20s or 30s but still same win rate. 👹👹

[pseudo anvil]

I did 20 runs and ended 7-3 6-4. With barely even set up or minmaxed setup. With proper setup that would be a 100%

[alpine marsh]

probably not "barely" setup but mine is about the same

my liliam sucks

and about same winrate

average of 70% clear

50 second runs

[pseudo anvil]

Liliam is worse than diting/yeli for rengo.

[alpine marsh]

is she?... why

[trail narwhal]

It will never be 100%. The way you will achieve 100% is make your liliam do more damage. And speed her up. To clear faster. So it’s not the new character

[alpine girder]

Low hp I assume

[alpine marsh]

[pseudo anvil]

Bcs she doesnt benefit of half of what ninfo provides. While diting on top of having his own buff gets 2x atk buffs. Yeli same case. Reason liliam is best in aurora is bcs u cant afford to slot in atk buffer.

[short dew]

mine is maxed out and op pve gear. the run still isnt 100% cuz rengo one shots u sometimes without atk break

[pseudo anvil]

If u can slot in attack buffer without losing other stuff in setup diting is still superior pve option

[trail narwhal]

See. 😂😂😂

[alpine marsh]

hmm right ok

that makes sense

maybe ill try with diting lol

[short dew]

thats completely wrong lol. liliam is 100% better at any stage

[alpine girder]

Hah liliam have atk buff and also the nin atk buff tho? How’s she not benefiting from nin buff

[pseudo anvil]

In all runs i did rengo only had 1 turn

[trail narwhal]

They said try her with liliam 😩😩😩

[copper sleet]

The thing is, any testing using Lily is pretty much biased because Lily is that broken.

Remove Lily and use Ninfo to solo carry the team and you'll find out she will just be another buffer and not a direct counter to Rengo as it was sold in the announcement.

[short dew]

correct. you need lily

[pseudo anvil]

Sure think what u want, i cant change someone from being delusional. Im not here to argue but to say she does exactly what they said she does. She boosts the consistancy regarding rengokutsu and ease of acces into clearing him for low cost

[short dew]

she has 1300% multiplier on s3. i dont think u know what she does

[pseudo anvil]

She doesnt have that multiplier but u do u

Final dmg isnt same as increasing the base multiplier

[alpine marsh]

fk my diting first S3 the lockon goes on add....

[short dew]

bro how are u so wrong. thats exactly how it works

so confident yet u dont know her final multiplier works

[trail narwhal]

Meanwhile you just said your runs are 7-3 6-4z 😂😂😂. What were you doing before? 1-9?

[alpine marsh]

ok

[pseudo anvil]

Its not how it works but u refuse to listen when someone who knows how it works talks to u abt it. Thats the issue with this community, everyone thinks they know everything.

[alpine marsh]

@pseudo anvil ur COOKING

need more runs to try

[pseudo anvil]

Not my acc it was to test her on friends. I have 100% wr on rengo since long ago

[alpine marsh]

cuz rengo rng but..

[trail narwhal]

Then she literally does nothing.

[alpine marsh]

waitttttt

UR ACTUALLY COOKINGGGG

[pseudo anvil]

Love being bombarded by plats on how stuff works

[trail narwhal]

She is an option. Not a solution

[pseudo anvil]

She is a solution u are just delusional refusing to accept she is not instawin button and no unit they release will be a instawin button for rengo. Rengo is overtuned. Without massive power creep no unit will "crush" rengo as yall want it to be 30 second 100% wr walmart gear no lattice

[alpine marsh]

fk

run still randomly failed sadge

[trail narwhal]

Stop brain Brain farting please.

[pseudo anvil]

With ninfo your only lose con is missing a def break. With any other setup there are multiple choke points to lose. She does exactly what she was advertised as "ease of entry and consistancy vs rengo"

[alpine marsh]

fk

i can only buy 100 more stam

no more crystals

[gusty isle]

[alpine girder]

Idk my run with liliam and nin mostly die because liliam get 1 shotted

[alpine marsh]

lets see how this last 10x with diting instead of liliam goes

[alpine marsh]

1/1/3 nin?

1/1/1 nin is too cope

[alpine girder]

111 I ain’t latticing her

5% more shield ain’t doing shit

• the extra 15% atk

[alpine marsh]

its pretty big....

i think 1/1/4 is the perfect ivnestment level for her

imo

[trail narwhal]

Nope on my previous setup it’s was same shit. If a taunt doesn’t land, or another setup if a strip doesn’t land. So what’s the change?

[alpine marsh]

especially cuz u get HP base stats

from her prowess

[pseudo anvil]

She is proving to be insane for rengo while being cheap + very good for pvp in multiple playstyle. Ninfo is great

[alpine marsh]

agreed

i only disagree that she isn't a "solution"

[hidden seal]

There's a difference between what final damage actually does and just taking all the other mults and 1.5xing? What is it haven't heard about that

[alpine marsh]

because u need lattice

on a support..

[trail narwhal]

Cheap🤧🤧

[alpine marsh]

but its debatable

and im not gonna fight anyone over it lol

but really good unit

and honestly i think her S3 lattice is high value

[pseudo anvil]

Less debuffs. Your only debuffer in setup is kloss/dinah/rc77. So your only lose req is missing a def break. With valerian for example on speed clears you can get silenced/atk downed/def broken due to rng of element change. With ninfoniel there is no such rng.

[alpine girder]

What if I tell you my run is 50sec without anyone dying and rengo only able to do 1 turn xD
Mostly liliam survivability on turn 1 after the boss and ads that is the issue for me

Maybe I should try it with ditting

[alpine marsh]

also @pseudo anvil the consistency with diting is so good

[alpine marsh]

same

but i swapped to diting

consistency seems better

but thats also cuz its easier to build diting too

so lower gear requirement

[alpine girder]

Even missing a def break or not citing is not a problem for me, just survivability of my dps

[pseudo anvil]

Final dmg takes whatever dmg u delt post def/damage reduction calv and multiplies it. In case of dr still existing that same final dmg gets reduced as well after the calculation. So no its not just multiplier increase as ppl in this server want to believe so much

[alpine marsh]

really?...

wtf

lol

[alpine girder]

My liliam is kinda minmaxed

[alpine marsh]

dupes?

or gear u mean

[hidden seal]

Why wouldn't that just be a mulitplier increase, unless people are taking multiplier increase to somehow ignore the def or dmg redux calc?

[alpine girder]

Just p1

[alpine marsh]

mmm ic

[alpine girder]

Cuz I got lucky xD

[hidden seal]

or do you mean it gets reduced twice

[alpine girder]

cdmg right side all

[alpine marsh]

oh

you too

are running the

50% crit build

[alpine marsh]

no atk% on one piece?

[alpine girder]

nope all cdmg

[alpine marsh]

shit

lol

kinda crazy

XD

also

diting is 100% better than liliam

[trail narwhal]

That’s not my issue. My vice team, was more consistent. Even more consistent was the Sania team. Only issue was long battle but it was 100%.

[alpine marsh]

unless im just getting incredibly luck

which i HIGHLY doubt because its rengo

[pseudo anvil]

Bcs lets say u have 100% multiplier and 50% final dmg. Example with etherena 30% dr. U are supposed to deal 1000 dmg. It wont end up as 1500 but the final dmg will be 1000 separated into 50% (in this case 500) - def reducing that 500 - 30% dmg redu reducing further = final dmg multiplier. Its named final for a reason first the original gets reduced by everything it can then final gets added and reduced as well.

[alpine marsh]

you can only get so lucky

LMAOOO

nvm maybe not

my current run just failed

i hate this game

life is suffering

why do we exist

[alpine girder]

diting have like a cdmg cap right>?

[alpine marsh]

not sure

[hidden seal]

Ah ok

[trail narwhal]

I don’t think momentum is that good, because you don’t get more than 4-5 debuffs. Seems keeneye fury might be best on liliam. Still farming the best shell

[hidden seal]

Thanks for clarifying

[alpine girder]

Momentum is calculated differently from keeneye fyi

Source from god Paul

[alpine marsh]

Diting > liliam I think

[trail narwhal]

Ohh ditting works better? I need to try it.

[pseudo anvil]

[alpine girder]

[alpine marsh]

lol what happened here

[blazing zealot]

Sounda about right

[blazing zealot]

Double Dark into Light Rengo

one Shot Diting

[pseudo anvil]

Change kloss to dark moon and lily to jackal if possible if not then lily on artisian.

[alpine marsh]

i think its a nin problem then

cuz mine never gets one shot wave 1

he does die

but not wave 1

[blazing zealot]

its an Elemental problem

Light Rengo

[alpine marsh]

no i mean

im running

the same team comp

and not having the same issue

lol

[blazing zealot]

is your rengo on light?

[alpine girder]

its rng issue

[alpine marsh]

yes

[blazing zealot]

or is he on any other color.

[alpine marsh]

he doesn't break my shield

[blazing zealot]

[alpine marsh]

if on different color

if on light, he breaks shield

[alpine girder]

y lie

[alpine marsh]

but doesn't kill

[pseudo anvil]

Light rengo = faster clear

[blazing zealot]

if you don't die

[pseudo anvil]

But u dont

Bcs rengo only does 1 turn

[blazing zealot]

he just did bro

[pseudo anvil]

If u setup your units properly

[alpine marsh]

What’s ur nin look like

[pseudo anvil]

U wont get hit by a 2nd rengo move

[alpine marsh]

This is mine

Non inferno shell too

[alpine girder]

[alpine marsh]

LOL

its even better

[short dew]

i mean i said this here many times. youll still die to rng cuz no atk break. goofballs will disagree somehow

[alpine marsh]

yea maybe its atk break

issue

i think no atk break into light

def = ded

[alpine girder]

yeah

lemme try with yeli now

[short dew]

itll be decent with yeli, around 1 min clears

[alpine marsh]

yeli might be most consistent i think?

[short dew]

thats the only good run she improves, but then you still might die sometimes

[alpine marsh]

really?

maybe if no atk break no defense break

lol

[short dew]

90% wr is still the best u can have in rengo unless u go super slow 2 min +

[pseudo anvil]

90% is p much what 100% is. Due to 10% existing.

If u rely on debuff for clear it cant be 100%

[alpine marsh]

btw its not remotely worth 1/1/5ing ninfo right?

just 1/1/4

?

[alpine girder]

average, almost wipe

[alpine marsh]

even for other content

[alpine girder]

i dont think so

[alpine marsh]

i feel like ur always gonna wanna run her on codex

and her S3 cooldown is so long anywys

[short dew]

im 1/1/3

[alpine marsh]

ur prolly wanting to end fights fast

imo 1/1/4 is worth it

[short dew]

mainly for atk buff up speed runs

[pseudo anvil]

113 for pve but she seems to be popping of in pvp too so if u want her for pvp it depends on what u wanna use her for

[alpine girder]

Borgne and xiada eating good

[short dew]

she improves terrormaton since u can throw out veronika for holden

but rengo improvement is nothing

same wr as whats already in the game

at least shes pretty ig

[pseudo anvil]

Who tf used veronika in terror

[alpine marsh]

i feel like 1/1/4 makes more sense than 1/1/3

[pseudo anvil]

She was last used 2 nerfs ago

[short dew]

for 28s clears yea people use her wym lol

[blazing zealot]

I still do

if not I die

[alpine girder]

i agree, she make the run faster but miniscule

[alpine marsh]

u get 15% more hp, which means ur shield is bigger, shield health increases, so ur getting even more shield, which means even more atk

[pseudo anvil]

Valerian only sustain u need for terror

[blazing zealot]

I can't get Holden Fast enough

[alpine girder]

true

[short dew]

valerian for speed runs lol

[blazing zealot]

and I have to strip immunity for DoT

[pseudo anvil]

Dot is pepega anyways just one shot it with diting/liliqm/yeli

[alpine girder]

how are ur holden not fast this late into the game

[pseudo anvil]

Terror got so badly nerfed twice that all the dps can 2 ult it

[blazing zealot]

Can't roll speed to save my Life

[blazing zealot]

Terror got nerfed once

[alpine girder]

what about this forge event xdd

[blazing zealot]

he could use another nerf

[short dew]

u have 30 mil coin. thats not a gear issues, you just dont roll lol

[alpine girder]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xddshaking-gif-970977931528020923

[blazing zealot]

Aite I got 2 yellow Speeds on 2 Matrix Off Pieces

Thanks for the motivation

[alpine marsh]

LOL wtf

[alpine girder]

fake news

[lyric lily]

serra's massive thread got shut down lmaoo 💀

[alpine girder]

because it was

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

keep up the propoganda

[blazing zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

[lyric lily]

I don't understand his point about "liliam situation", they buffed her at the end and said her multipliers kinda lacking, why put the blame on us

[hidden seal]

They wouldn't have buffed her if people didn't lose their minds misunderstanding her purpose

[blazing zealot]

Cause she a bit too strong in PVP now.

"Insane Single Target Damage"

[alpine girder]

liliam wasnt meant to be a PvE unit i though, and she was working fine in PvP

[blazing zealot]

"Rengo Solution"

The Hateful Part of me wants them to buff her so no one gets what they want.

[hidden seal]

But as with the rev issue it all comes down to there being no significant contingent of people who actually likes the PvE

[alpine girder]

every character they release, multiple thread pop up

[lyric lily]

they changed the hp lock from 50 to 100, thats the part that makes her op in pvp. did people here asking for that? as I remember ppl were only complaining about her pve dmg

[hidden seal]

They also boosted her multipliers

For all content

[blazing zealot]

[alpine girder]

rev issue was because most of the people doesnt have access to clear aurora and rengo i beleieve, even top rta player havent farm them in S0 lol

[blazing zealot]

And Rev was only an Issue because People couldn't and still can't farm BB and LH Effectively

[alpine girder]

yeah

[blazing zealot]

Rev still decimates in low Elo

[alpine girder]

not anymore, aware

[blazing zealot]

(I totally didn't downgrade to Iron last season to test this.)

It still does.

[hidden seal]

That but also if people were happy grinding PvE and waiting to dig deeper into RTA nobody would have cared how bad RTA felt

[gusty isle]

it does till now in low ranks

[hidden seal]

Depends what everyone means by low elo and low ranks

Not productive before that's a shared definition

[alpine girder]

what is low rank ~ iron-bronze-silver?

[blazing zealot]

Iron - Diamond or Plat

[pseudo anvil]

It works fine in mythic if you draft properly too

[blazing zealot]

Fine is a bit of a Stretch

but yeah it does work

[alpine girder]

my dumbass stuck in gold3-plat1

only been PvEing

and fearless

[foggy kestrel]

My ass only playing till i hit 2000 currency a week then dip

[pseudo anvil]

Yeon literally has 57% wr ib mythic, so fine is a bit of understating it. Its above average. He has better winrate than a lot of bruiser people in same rank with similar number of games

[blazing zealot]

That is most people

[blazing zealot]

Yeon is also Giga Cracked

[alpine girder]

Yeon is Yeon

[foggy kestrel]

They dont have to increase the rewards or anything just remove the cap on the currency and il play more

[alpine girder]

they wont

hahahahahaha

[blazing zealot]

Change this to Weekly

[pseudo anvil]

Yes but it shows u a picture that rev was indeed gigabusted since even last season ppl existed in high mythic that had literally 0% wr into him. Now its better but the whole point is rev isnt braindead to play like last season but its still strong

[pseudo anvil]

I wish for this every day

[alpine girder]

too little, increase the reward pls

feerless more reward

[blazing zealot]

Refresh this shop more often

[lyric lily]

the shop refreshes every month so I don't think playing more will be beneficial, unless ppl want to go for unlimited things like coins or data

[alpine girder]

this is what they want most

😂

[pseudo anvil]

This too make it every 2 weeks

[pseudo anvil]

Its so bad

[alpine girder]

yeah

[lyric lily]

150 for 5 lol we got like 200 for 1 win right

[alpine girder]

not event half ur shit reroll

[pseudo anvil]

450 for 1 reroll isnt = 500 anima print in any world

[lyric lily]

battling a 10-minute match just for half a roll 😂

[alpine girder]

i do be petty when one of my unit dies

[foggy kestrel]

bro doesnt get it not about the shop giving more or less i just want to farm the currency when i want to not be forced to do 10 runs a week then dip there is no real benifit to grind throughout the season more than 10 wins a week - you can also just wait to do the ranked climb to get the rewards there closer to the end of the season since if you are ranked higher now your rank will drop fast if you leave it for a week

then at that point you are just forced to play to keep your rank

so might aswell do the bare minimum til the end of the season then grind out your desired rank

[scenic swan]

Bare minimum is what I do

[foggy kestrel]

exactly

[scenic swan]

Rta is dog shit slog I only do when I have nothing else going on

If it weren't for gvg I would honestly not even bother. That's the only silver lining for me. Building up my defense and attacks for that

[foggy kestrel]

yeh i am currently only still playing for my guild

otherwise i would have dipped weeks ago

[lyric lily]

how does that encourage ppl to play more just like the initial statement that you said..

yall said bare minimum, what's the bar for that bare minimum tho? for me is the rewards, idk for yall lol

[foggy kestrel]

Remove cap and just letting players play when they want does more than you think

[lean bloom]

FAKE NEWS. GAME IS PERFECT. DEVS CANT DO WRONG. XD ARE THE BEST. GET GOOD IT'S A SKILL ISSUE. C WAS JUST PREACHING THE TRUTH YOU COULDNT HANDLE THAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS GARBAGE JUST LIKE THIS THREAD.

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-darling-brave-bold-i-dont-have-answer-to-you-gif-9797205