WE WANT A REAL RENGO NERF

[blazing zealot]

Don't forget about inferno being too much of a chore and needing a nerf

[hidden seal]

I can't be tamed

Unless you're Anne Hathaway

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-sir-drink-meme-gif-16956131415775229969

[hidden seal]

Bullshit

[fast fjord]

did u see the union lattice improvement idea above

i think that would honestly put it in a perfect sweet spot

without being too much

[unborn galleon]

clearly a great idea yeah

[fast fjord]

encourages greater groups of players to work together for a long time as well

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25860033

[unborn galleon]

cuz Union is like oh i had to do this

[fast fjord]

which unions/guilds are what keep people around

always

[unborn galleon]

idea, is more engaging toward union so its a win/win

[small garden]

have you met us?

[hidden seal]

Maybe my union would finally max the weekly

[unborn galleon]

but thing is, i know they need to mesure the impact in long term and blablabla, but all these complaint's can''t happens one by one

[small garden]

^

[solemn mica]

put a gold lattice in Union Shop and make GVG rewards give out fragment regardless if you win/loss

[unborn galleon]

like they need to do a solid patch in the next week even before Asia release, people are getting used tbf

[hidden seal]

If I have to get cleaved by maid Yeli in arena I demand an extra lattice per week

[solemn mica]

like 15 or 25 gold fragments for participating in GVG per week

[copper sleet]

Problem is, playerbase is a mess and union get affected a lot by it. I have to kick at least one inactive everyday in my union. More and more old players are quitting.

Recruiting newbie is also problematic because they will just be a burden in guild war.

And newbies are tired of rerolling because everyone in public channel keeps saying if you dont have lily, reroll your acc.

[unborn galleon]

ah yeah there so many wrong things about reward's in pvp [ RTA ] Etheria present himself as a pvp game, but reward's in RTA are totaly not engaging [ biggest issue is the Seasonal one obviously ] its to low, to low to be engaging or try hard anything

[hidden seal]

I'd say they're more tired because they need Lily than because people let em know

[solemn mica]

No lily= Skill issue=NO union for you

[knotty seal]

at some point it's easier to just buy an account than sit there for days rerolling for Lily

$5 dollars vs 48 hours

you decide

[small garden]

48 hours

[blazing zealot]

To add to this the announcement (Part 7) Almost made me Quit... Luckily we only lost 4 guild members to this patch note.

[noble ravine]

is it me or is rengo doing even more dmg now?

[solemn mica]

better hope you dont get banned

[marble mantle]

"only lost 4" damn

[small garden]

we lost everyone, except 4

[solemn mica]

its the RNG of Rengo my friend. Differnet elements do higher dmg depending on team comps

[noble ravine]

no same comp more dmg

[knotty seal]

[blazing zealot]

[unborn galleon]

i mean someone react about difficulty in inferno, but tbf everyone who is day 1 should be able to speed clear Terror, DkDk, Aurora and do rengo at least sub 2mins

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-13700830058131647973

[unborn galleon]

so yeah idk about this one

[blazing zealot]

this is way off...

[solemn mica]

it depends on time-investment during these first couple months. If they only play causually probably not

[blazing zealot]

Most of the playerbase I know outside the top 100 or so Is like 5 minute Aurora, Unable to clear Rengo, Terror they have to Manual....

[knotty seal]

considering how many day ones I see selling their accounts? You'll be fine

[unborn galleon]

5 mins aurora jeez ?

Terror got a couple of team to speed clear now

[solemn mica]

For now. never know in the future

[blazing zealot]

If you have perfect Speed tuning....

Which they don't

So they have to manual

luckily Terror isn't worth farming

[unborn galleon]

well Inferno should be for people in late game and not speed clearing it, speed clearing it should require more than a simple clear in term of invest

[blazing zealot]

Disagree

[solemn mica]

I dont know of any endgame gatcha that are turn based like this that dont require speed tuning for fast clears TBF

[unborn galleon]

humm maybe im to hardcore idk

[blazing zealot]

Inferno Should be clearable by Level 55 all stages on auto without Lattice investment into SSR. assuming you are on Element. (LD, Red vs Green, Blue vs Red, Green vs Blue.)

[small garden]

is this a dev in disguise?

[unborn galleon]

*

no, i love the fact how pve is a challenge in the first place

[blazing zealot]

I do too just not in farming stages

[small garden]

guys, we found a dev

[unborn galleon]

but tbf i cleared Terrormaton with at least 5 different team during the progress

[knotty seal]

true, and they can be safe forever.
Real marathoners believe in the RNG

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/pro-gamur-gif-20729392

[unborn galleon]

[blazing zealot]

Clearing Inferno is the same as Clearing Investigation 25. The Difference is one of them is annoying and required to farm and hurting the playerbase.

[knotty seal]

when are we getting more investigations?

[white fossil]

gp outpost inferno stages when?

[unborn galleon]

well we're far from the initial focus, idk how people manage there ressource as a day 1 player to not clear every content sub 1min for all exept Rengo

sinj

[blazing zealot]

We Pretty Tight nit... but when CZN comes out we probably losing 10-20

[knotty seal]

E:R advertised as pvp game
reality: pve game with limited RTA benefits

[blazing zealot]

Idle game that doesn't let you idle with a dash of unbalanced pvp*

[solemn mica]

Every PVP gatcha game has its one really bad tank-down meta, im sure it will be resolved in the coming weeks

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-gambit-ana-taylor-joy-gif-15241293962805664868

[knotty seal]

[white fossil]

u mean next rta season

[solemn mica]

we don't know, we can only wait and see

[unborn galleon]

thing is, if they nerf BB now [ im a control-cleaver ] all the people who farmed x2 will be terribly mad

[blazing zealot]

You say its a Resource Problem I say its a Lack of Direction... The HyperLink Charter during beta gave you a step by step guide to farming all the dungeons now its worthless.

[white fossil]

p sure they wont touch it before

[hidden seal]

I've actually had an easier time with Rengo than with Terror. Maybe I'm some kind of genius

[solemn mica]

should be farming for overall account progression not just one module in general

[unborn galleon]

alright can't rly tell anything about beta, wasn't here so iiil trust

[blazing zealot]

Just unnerf Rev at this point.

[knotty seal]

damage dealers nuking everything
tank players walling everything
healers topping up hp like you took no damage
cc players being scum of the earth

just a lot of extremes

[unborn galleon]

BB should be nerf for 5% to 10% max

if they do more, ouch its gonna be rude

[blazing zealot]

The Inferno stages have 300% more health and like 100-200% More damage with Enrage mechanics from beta.

[knotty seal]

they said they were heavily considering it

[unborn galleon]

[knotty seal]

but I have a feeling they're waiting to see how batman and nympho perform

[blazing zealot]

Lian could clear every Inferno Stage with Maxxed S3.....

[hidden seal]

Anyway I would say your ability to speed clear is super dependent on gear and pull luck

[unborn galleon]

Nympho will perf cuz waifu

[unborn galleon]

alright welp it was to easy i guess but i got ya

[solemn mica]

yeah sounds like a gatcha game

[small garden]

yes dev?

[unborn galleon]

[copper sleet]

Cause contents are pretty much unit gated and you can have incredibly bad luck and not get a certain unit and therefore can't clear that content.

Up to this day, I still never see Sharon inferno clear without Lily/Yeli/Liliam.

[blazing zealot]

Think it was the perfect level of difficulty because it allowed you to spend time doing the good parts of the games.

[unborn galleon]

yeah based on dis i can agree, not doing more rta sux or even fearless

[hidden seal]

Speed clears are also hella speed roll gated

[blazing zealot]

you also didn't need to spend 8 hours in farming stages...

[unborn galleon]

lmao i can farm here with ditting meh

[solemn mica]

but but my second job /s

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/pro-gamer-chubbycell-prithvi-pro-gamer-gif-19597910

[copper sleet]

Diting with Lily.

[unborn galleon]

you just forget this goated

as a replacement for lily

[small garden]

did you actually try her?

[copper sleet]

You can just check the in-game clear. You will see no clear without Lily/Yeli/Liliam.

[small garden]

show me the lattice investment

[unborn galleon]

Cage rumble sharon ethernet rally on alt yep

[small garden]

and terror?

[unborn galleon]

terror iil prefer Mia / Cachi / valerian / the new SR / Ditting

[small garden]

the new sr?

so lily

[unborn galleon]

as a replacement for LILY RESTART

[hidden seal]

Every time I see Mia fart on Terror's turn meter I cry a little bit for the way it used to be

She reduces him like 3%

RIP final beta before the current beta

[unborn galleon]

people who think , everything can't be clear without lily are not worth to talk with, many tried to but, not rly worth the effort

[hidden seal]

Nobody thinks that

But she sure as shit helps

[small garden]

speed clearing*

[unborn galleon]

obviously yep

[hidden seal]

Like right now you're talking about using multiple different units that all need a buncha investment to mimic a fraction of her power

[unborn galleon]

every speed clearing team in late game don't have Lily if im not wrong lmao

[marble mantle]

the matter is that lily will save you so much lattice, she can be used in EVERY farming stage, not a single bad one for her

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[hidden seal]

They don't but the people doing the clear often do have her

Like having her is foundational to progressing fast enough to achieve all those clears (for most people doing that)

[blazing zealot]

Yet they used her to farm the gear to be able to do those speed clears.

[marble mantle]

you wont have to invest on some budget lily for each element when u can have the real lily

[solemn mica]

Lily investment value is just too good

[marble mantle]

that fact alone gives you a big advantage on how you can build your account

[blazing zealot]

If you a new player and you not willing to reroll for lily just don't start

[solemn mica]

especially in a game with limited resources

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[narrow fulcrum]

this lily restart after all 💯

[small garden]

im raw dogging it with my first starting account

[hidden seal]

It's ok the Rilmocha you got from your target banner will carry you in all the content

[blazing zealot]

All those suggestions were from a beta before they buffed everything by 300%

[small garden]

benched for yeli

[blazing zealot]

[solemn mica]

Rilmocha still the goat for Inferno Doki

[knotty seal]

any theories as to why they buffed everything?

[blazing zealot]

No Flame but Low IQ

[unborn galleon]

anyway im not against you guys im like you a player, i do take a nerf anyway, even if we don't agree on some point

[small garden]

cause pro gamer ideex wants to feel alive again

[livid totem]

ig they didn't like ppl doing well in inferno stages lol

[knotty seal]

[zinc hill]

For money of course

[unborn galleon]

rude you are

[solemn mica]

From a business perspective it is bad if the units they give you for free can clear most content

[livid totem]

doing well with pretty f2p friendly teams

[small garden]

"im a player"

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

[blazing zealot]

Oh also on their Test servers they have everything max Latticed and Max Duped.

[languid drift]

magdalene2357 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[knotty seal]

They did it to nerf Lian

[unborn galleon]

rtacooked

[zinc hill]

Bosses harder = people tempted to summon or buy lattice (they think)

[livid totem]

Lian, marvell, Dinah was a solid f2p comp for terror and 2 got whacked

no41 got whacked

[zinc hill]

What really happens is people just get pissed off

[livid totem]

victor got whacked

[knotty seal]

they're out of touch. Damn

[hybrid pecan]

@fast fjord u see my feedback post from this am?

[blazing zealot]

3 Got whacked.

[livid totem]

directly whacked I meant, but Lian did get whacked indirectly

[knotty seal]

[white fossil]

im a player swipes their credit card

[zinc hill]

Every good SR option got whacked, and they buffed all the bosses. Tell me thats not on purpose

They just wanted more money

[livid totem]

and no41

[small garden]

it's not

did that work?

[solemn mica]

how dare a business want to make money. Those bad bad people

[livid totem]

I'm still surprised they haven't whacked vice lol, Jack just knows the backlash XD

[zinc hill]

No it didnt, but they are dumb so

[unborn galleon]

low spender tbf

[zinc hill]

If they wanna make money do it in a smart way

[blazing zealot]

in there testing Vice probably underperforms Who needs Vice when you take 10-15 Less damage and deal 10-15 More Damage on every unit.

[zinc hill]

Not in a way that pisses everyone off

[knotty seal]

It's their job to milk ofc, but there's multiple ways of doing it without artificial difficulty. Especially on farming content

[unborn galleon]

Gooner's Skin's when ?

[livid totem]

also the fact they settled on recolors lol

[knotty seal]

They won't let us goon

[small garden]

milk the cow without tearing off its teats and udder

[livid totem]

and nothing more than that

[knotty seal]

[blazing zealot]

[zinc hill]

Sell passes for clearing story chapters, have a hard and nightmare mode for story, sell even more passes. Stamina packs, popup packs, real skins. So many ways to make.money

[livid totem]

they said what if we didn't take advantage of a summer event

and release the most cursed rilmocha recolor instead

[zinc hill]

They're just really dumb

[blazing zealot]

When you can't even pay someone 6 figures to play your game because you ruined it....

[solemn mica]

Agreed but they just can't let you go straight to endgame farming without some difficulty either

[livid totem]

and no one asking for that

😭

[zinc hill]

This isnt "some difficulty"

[livid totem]

why do ppl always jump to extremes

[zinc hill]

Ive been playing gachas for 15 years

[livid totem]

u say nerf rengo and the retort is so the game should have 0 difficulty HUH

[blazing zealot]

No Difficulty > Current Difficulty

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[zinc hill]

This shit is probably has the hardest FARMING stages

[unborn galleon]

Big Fan cuz of Celince bio btw, when Celince Goon + feet

[zinc hill]

Farming stages are something players deal with daily, why would you make it super hard

[unborn galleon]

[blazing zealot]

Hey Farming Stages should have no Difficulty its better then the Current State.

[zinc hill]

It just makes everyone rage

[solemn mica]

I agree rengo should be nerfed but i dont think it should be too easy either

[livid totem]

no one is asking to jump straight to endgame XD

[zinc hill]

Yeah no shit

[fast fjord]

dont think we should argue about stupid stuff or extremes

[blazing zealot]

but its fun

[zinc hill]

But at its current state its way off from too easy

[solemn mica]

i mean i can farm it in 40 secs

[livid totem]

honestlyyyy

[fast fjord]

i have a pretty good list of things rn I still need to navigate through more threads and then get to all the pvp meta shit

[solemn mica]

but i know alot of people struggle

[fast fjord]

but i have soooo many good new ideas

to help early game especially

also lattice economy

[marble mantle]

maybe the endgame is the friends we made along the way

[unborn galleon]

wait a minute give late game less chore first

[zinc hill]

Wow congrats man

Thats not the issue

[solemn mica]

never said it was?

[fast fjord]

again i dont think lattice economy needs crazy adjustment but i think that idea earlier was the sweet spot

[blazing zealot]

5 R Lattice > 1 SR Lattice 5 SR Lattice > 1 SSR Lattice So the purple and the blue actually serve a purpose.

[knotty seal]

Sounds good but be careful with any future announcements

[fast fjord]

yeah yeah

[marble mantle]

now we just gotta hope that the devs approve

[unborn galleon]

Path of Exile meta Announcement of Announcement

[knotty seal]

For sure

[blazing zealot]

Rewind the clock 92 days and we there.

[fast fjord]

talked about it a bunch today but god it sucks that the rengo thing completely discredited all the other things we're trying to fix

😞

makes me so sad

[livid totem]

[fast fjord]

if we left it out of the announcement

[knotty seal]

[fast fjord]

woulda been same effect though

[blazing zealot]

I feel you. Yeah

[knotty seal]

people would still complain that you're not addressing rengo at all

[fast fjord]

yep

[hybrid pecan]

Did u look at it then?

[fast fjord]

even if I do im not letting you know kongh

[blazing zealot]

I think not addressing would have been less toxic to the community ngl....

[small garden]

devil's in the details

[fast fjord]

u dont deserve it.

[hybrid pecan]

[fast fjord]

maybe idk I think either way we woulda been fucked

[blazing zealot]

True

[fast fjord]

it was the biggest topic in general

[zinc hill]

Yeah he'll get fucked either way

[fast fjord]

so it was unavoidable

[unborn galleon]

my idea of x5 for level 100 been talk ?

[hybrid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-hanging-gif-20498305

[livid totem]

i mean was the rengo outcome a good solution lol

[knotty seal]

I can get behind that fs
Because now the narrative is that devs are greedy and selling the solution

[fast fjord]

the rengo outcome is a good solution in theory and the intention is good, but only wouuld have been good if the pool was bigger in the beginning

from the start

[zinc hill]

Not sure why they couldnt just nerf rengo by 20%

[fast fjord]

its just too late to make a decision like that

[solemn mica]

Unless changes were announced, there was no way to come out of that in a positive way

[fast fjord]

without nerfing a little

[blazing zealot]

Inferno has been the biggest topic since 6/16 ...

[fast fjord]

yes and most of inferno is fine

[zinc hill]

Rengo in its current state is some tower of abyss floor 100 boss

[fast fjord]

the nerfs they got is great but rengo is the last pitfall that is so severe

[zinc hill]

Why does it change element

I know its fun and gimmicky

[small garden]

so, not a farming stage

[fast fjord]

initial nerfs tipped off the entry so people could get into inferno easier

[blazing zealot]

Rengo and Aurora yeah.

[fast fjord]

and climb the ladder

[unborn galleon]

Cuz some rng in the pit

[livid totem]

rengo gatekeeps the pvp shells lol

[fast fjord]

^

why it's important

and a bigger topic

[zinc hill]

But a farming stage doesnt need to change elements for no reason and 1 tap you

[fast fjord]

^

yes

[solemn mica]

No more Rengo element RNG please

[small garden]

yet revelation was nerfed

[fast fjord]

honestly that would just go such a long way

the elemnt switch

removing it

or letting u pick based on what u have on ur team

[livid totem]

t f revelation was much more accessible than lighthouse

[blazing zealot]

im still not convinced the new units will make much of a dent and if they don't instant clear rengo for people struggling the backlash is gonna be way worse.

[livid totem]

and bloodbath from aurora which ppl were struggling on at the point

[small garden]

are you new?

[livid totem]

tbf*

um no I'm not new

[zinc hill]

I think the new support will at least make it easier for new players

[solemn mica]

or worse people will invest and it wont make a difference an demand more resets

[knotty seal]

wuzzy is an og

[small garden]

👀

[livid totem]

I get why ppl hated rev in pvp

even if I don't agree

[blazing zealot]

Depends People feel bad Skilling up healers... its why Aurora is still a struggle bus cause people don't wanna level Lingluo S1...

[knotty seal]

I can see the titles now
'devs LIED. Batbsy sucks'
'Ninfonel is undwhelming . She doesn't crush Rengo"

[zinc hill]

Supporters are important in every game tho

[small garden]

just make this your pfp at this point

[solemn mica]

Honestly i really got more invested back from maxing lingluo S1 then i thought i would get

[blazing zealot]

"Why am I wasting Super Small Finite Resources on a Healer... When I could be using it on a DPS or Support..."

[knotty seal]

[livid totem]

lingluo s1 max goes ham

[blazing zealot]

Same. but its an Unorthodox approach for people.

[unborn galleon]

before saying BB is op, you should watch how healer's perf in pvp

[solemn mica]

Oh i agree

[blazing zealot]

You should max Lingluo S1 but its a mental hurtle that is hard to get past for people...

[fast fjord]

i saw some ppl saying undo rev nerf but make it so the shell effects cant stack too much across ur team

forcing u to kinda mix ur shells a bit more

rather than spam same on all

seems kinda fun

[blazing zealot]

Oh @fast fjord Add that to the Hyperlink Charter Feedback. "Max Lingluo S1"

Instead of Lian

[unborn galleon]

undo nerf reve [ as a cleaver is bad idea ]

[fast fjord]

😂 no @ serra

[knotty seal]

Yoooo Serra
W idea

[solemn mica]

maybe have a limit of two shells active per team?

[unborn galleon]

its not fixing the probleme

[small garden]

so they ask when to reset that instead?

[blazing zealot]

But it would be more Helpful....

[fast fjord]

seems good idea

[knotty seal]

[solemn mica]

would increase shell diversity

[livid totem]

asking ppl to invest in Lian when she flops

😭

[knotty seal]

believe in the marathon wuzzy
Lian buffs next season

[fast fjord]

@livid totem

this was the idea i had for early game players coming in from the global launch event

[unborn galleon]

what about nerfing kazuyo S1 ?

[livid totem]

good

[blazing zealot]

Thats fair.

[livid totem]

buff Kazuyo s1

3 turn sleep

[fast fjord]

well we talked through it here together

but i have it written to talk to team ab

[livid totem]

yea the quest should be any char

[blazing zealot]

2 turn sleep is a bit too strong....

[livid totem]

any ssr

just cuz Lian got whacked too hard from the boss buffs

[blazing zealot]

I just think adding a Lingluo S1 Max to the Hyperlink Charter would help a lot of players know its kinda Required for Aurora and other dungeons.

[unborn galleon]

its litteraly an SR with SSR L/D kit

[fast fjord]

nah on lingluo i think its doing too much

[livid totem]

buff Kazu

[blazing zealot]

and everyone gets Lingluo for Free.

[fast fjord]

cant handhold in EVERYthing

[knotty seal]

3 turn sleep and vulnerable

[livid totem]

let her s1 passive work on s3

[solemn mica]

im not sure if KtR is too strong or we just have a lack of reliable cleansers/immunity

[unborn galleon]

they want you to spread lattice anyway to clear side content [ diffferent one obviously ]

[blazing zealot]

Sleep is a touch too strong. when its 2 turns on a basic

[livid totem]

lingluo 's cleanse being able to miss

[knotty seal]

the latter

[unborn galleon]

S1 ling must be made by the player when is needed

[zinc hill]

I like how Lian is supposed to be upgraded foe the quest but shes so bad that people just reset her after

[fast fjord]

yeah look at the idea i posted above

for lian

[livid totem]

tbf she was worth in beta

[fast fjord]

might help a ton for china kr japan launch

[livid totem]

then they obv said we can't have the free unit do well

[zinc hill]

It definitely would

[white fossil]

thats for sure

[livid totem]

but don't wanna directly whack her

[small garden]

it's what plenty of other gachas do with their mc's dupes

[fast fjord]

also the global servers are gonna be on the same patch as us

so its not gonna be like

oh china iwll be new priority

we are all on the same page

[zinc hill]

Wat oh RIP

[fast fjord]

we'll all get updates together

[solemn mica]

are yall considering wishbinder event at the start for new regions?

[unborn galleon]

oof, hope for no powercreep in new banner

[blazing zealot]

its gonna be cinema

[zinc hill]

[unborn galleon]

so its assuming we will have Asia in our RTA also ?

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hsm-high-school-musical-were-all-in-this-together-dance-gif-5323618

[knotty seal]

in this together until China starts getting enriched

[fast fjord]

yes

[white fossil]

oh .... here we go new light char gonna powercreep lily

[fast fjord]

i believe so

[unborn galleon]

interesting

[fast fjord]

ik all the tournaments will be

[livid totem]

SSR Kazuyo incoming

[unborn galleon]

like i said i hope then for no powercreep in next banner

[fast fjord]

not sure about ALL rta

we'll see

[blazing zealot]

LD Selector for New Players so less reroll/barrier of entry.

[small garden]

gonna bench her too

[zinc hill]

[livid totem]

dark Kazuyo with 2 turn sleep across the board, vuln + atk down, and free dispel

[knotty seal]

[unborn galleon]

gonna be a new pack for LVL 100 serra only 99.99€

[hybrid pecan]

Yes pls. Still need Lily

[knotty seal]

time to start our career on server 13

[blazing zealot]

[small garden]

nvm

[zinc hill]

99 dollar pack with LD selector

[solemn mica]

Don't you speak that evil into existence Ricky Bobby

[livid totem]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-anya-anya-forger-anya-spy-x-family-anya-spy-x-family-anime-gif-25679849

[knotty seal]

Call me 得意

[unborn galleon]

[zinc hill]

199 dollar pack for a 5/5/5 RGB SSR selector

[solemn mica]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-3582636889477244599

[white fossil]

I mean we dont need ld selector when cn releases with new light character I can already smell her beign lily copy

[hybrid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-up-done-im-out-viola-davis-im-done-gif-8003971

[zinc hill]

Yes

199.dollar 12 lattice pack

[fast fjord]

I like selectors.

[unborn galleon]

C5 in 2 week, getting her back to back to back in early with all the summun

[fast fjord]

I don't like free resets. I like selectors.

:3

[livid totem]

ew

[unborn galleon]

give selector, 100€

[hybrid pecan]

God must be nice

[solemn mica]

make it 100 and you got a deal

[zinc hill]

No way it'll ever happen though

[potent ferry]

I like you c

[fast fjord]

yeah no shot

[unborn galleon]

not rly, but rerolled for Massiah Lily, my account was bricked no variety

[potent ferry]

No resets for life!

[livid totem]

tho I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed Kazuyo considering they buffed Holden

why not

[fast fjord]

bruh

💀

[zinc hill]

Shes not SSR

[white fossil]

nah buff dokidoki

[fast fjord]

when i called jack the other week

we were both like

bruh

about the holden buff

and what happened

😭

[livid totem]

they buffed mizuki too

[white fossil]

wait jack didnt know either?

[fast fjord]

no

[unborn galleon]

revert me this evil buff from holden jesus

[fast fjord]

he knew

[white fossil]

HUH

[unborn galleon]

[fast fjord]

obv

[white fossil]

oh

[knotty seal]

[fast fjord]

he knew

but its just like

what were they testing

that made them think that

[zinc hill]

Whos making the decisions though

[fast fjord]

shoulda been pretty obvious

[zinc hill]

Holy shit

[white fossil]

[livid totem]

Holden came out of the gates swingin

[fast fjord]

devs are doing testing and making decisions but they cant test or predict every outcome

[knotty seal]

holden buffer was getting clapped in iron

understandable

he had to be buffed

[livid totem]

they were doing onslaught,harvest count holden

[solemn mica]

maybe testers need new test lol

[unborn galleon]

Holden buff is the same as Yeli need a buff she struggle in Pve

[zinc hill]

Where did you find these devs? Craigslist???

[white fossil]

pretty sure they buffed holden cuz noone played him below top 200 rta

[knotty seal]

[fast fjord]

ok relax theyre testing like 500 things each

but yeah

[livid totem]

I hope the devs buff dokidoki

[fast fjord]

shoulda been pretty obvious for that one

[hybrid pecan]

Sounds like they could use new testers I’m free half the week for a reasonable paycheck

[scenic swan]

They probably test the game in their max duped and fully geared sandbox

[livid totem]

make her completely cleanse and give her 20 mini advances

[zinc hill]

You want to get paid in hydra crystal?

[hybrid pecan]

[solemn mica]

i would accept payment in rebate vouchers

[unborn galleon]

Might also buff lily initial speed to 135 she is a truck atm

[fast fjord]

lily 200 speed

[hybrid pecan]

I might be able to max refresh for a few more days

[livid totem]

give dokidoki 128 speed

she deserves it

[solemn mica]

truuuuu

[blazing zealot]

[hybrid pecan]

281*

[livid totem]

[scenic swan]

You guys are stillax refreshing past lvl 100?

[knotty seal]

at least this one does something

[unborn galleon]

btw hope no mistake on new char with base speed [ like Hellkid ] nympho one

[livid totem]

yo crit lingluo

[unborn galleon]

if she is above 125 we cool if she is under she is not filling her role in pvp

[hybrid pecan]

CritLuo

[livid totem]

critluo is the future

[hybrid pecan]

[solemn mica]

they won't be excepting that critluo. Element of surprise

[livid totem]

dokidoki, critluo, fuqiu

[knotty seal]

100 turns of pain

[hybrid pecan]

Sania

[unborn galleon]

still RTA season 1 mood

[solemn mica]

we need an SR unit that gives 3 turn immunity

[knotty seal]

[zinc hill]

We need a unit that gives immune every turn

[livid totem]

give them the yellow immunity like ember trek Sharon gets

the undispellable kind

[solemn mica]

now we cookin

[unborn galleon]

might aswell create a char with RNG skill's obtain a lattice after the match

[knotty seal]

heinrich found dead in a ditch

[zinc hill]

Heinrich have buff block he'l be fine

[livid totem]

buff Kazuyo for clear skin

[unborn galleon]

worry about this guy being the next L/D bruiser

[knotty seal]

they took our advice about drip marketing

[white fossil]

temu twisted fate

[livid totem]

aventurine but ai

[knotty seal]

hee hee

[solemn mica]

not any AI super secret Chinese AI

[unborn galleon]

or Alilexpress Mickael Jackson ?

[white fossil]

gives me SR vibes

ngl

[livid totem]

he gonna be a DPS cuz

they scared to make a male support

😤

[zinc hill]

Twisted fate?

[white fossil]

if hes ssr hell nah

[zinc hill]

No its klein moretti

[unborn galleon]

Mickael Jackson ?

[unborn galleon]

huh why look kinda sick tbff

[zinc hill]

Its diddy

[knotty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/muzan-demon-slayer-pdp-anime-gif-25132442

[white fossil]

w/e pls just give me green/red dps no more odd characters

[knotty seal]

red needs all the help they can get

[unborn galleon]

yeah both being odd is not rly a good move

Red is in need of everything tbf

[zinc hill]

I think new units should change element as well

Every round is random

[knotty seal]

The big 3 of red

[solemn mica]

Make rengo a playable animus and let him beat inferno rengo

[white fossil]

dont leave the kitchen

[small garden]

cause we entombing him in it after he released all those noxious gases

[livid totem]

playable rengo but he gets to keep the rng element

[short dew]

He’s fire unit. Next ld is disorder girl

[unborn galleon]

source aliexpress or ?

[short dew]

ingame leaked files lol

[unborn galleon]

hm ?

[knotty seal]

👀

[solemn mica]

beware of fake leaks my friends

[knotty seal]

tbf, people have been spreading ninfo files for a while

[white fossil]

next is constant anyways heh

[unborn galleon]

ninfo yeah but other ?

[zinc hill]

Nympho files? Pls send to me

[knotty seal]

[unborn galleon]

never seen any other face excluding ninfo file

[zinc hill]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-14973267

[short dew]

Yea they even had it down to her name

[zinc hill]

Whos the new disorder girl

[small garden]

lily+

[unborn galleon]

watch dm but yeah would love to see next l/d then

[hidden seal]

Where do the miners hang out, I'm not cool enough to see this shit

[knotty seal]

up to the miners now

haven't seen anything else

[zinc hill]

Ah

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-minecraft-movie-trailer-minecraft-movie-minecraft-movie-steve-gif-5432229507914005207

[hidden seal]

Yeah I bet

[dusky cosmos]

Don't worry, (unofficial) Maid Yeli skin soon...

[knotty seal]

[small garden]

[narrow fulcrum]

For next rgb plese release red aoe dps like ffs

[blazing zealot]

Lian

[still iron]

I've tried a few hours against Rengo yest. Only way is to use high speed support + BB healer (Best Sania) + well built DPS like Liliam.

All BB team doesn't work even if u down the minions, as boss dmg will keep jacking up due to yellow debuffs on you.

The high speed supports is the problem. Rolling 300+ speed on Lily and Viper (or other combo like Kloss) via their modules and shell is really expensive.

[narrow fulcrum]

Sania with amber will refresh the rengo debuff

[dapper hamlet]

dont attack the minions

[narrow fulcrum]

Attack minion is legit strat...mine has 3 minute clear with like 90% wr

[dapper hamlet]

i have never needed to do that i guess

[still iron]

This is for all BB tanky team. Problem is I tried it and they still keep failing on auto.

[dapper hamlet]

i feel unless your team is really tanky the faster the fight goes the better

[still iron]

Yes so speed is key for supports. Is a must for this boss. 2 Artisan on the supports for more survivability too.

[narrow fulcrum]

You need amber on sania so she can reset stack without being revived....the other unit shell is free to chkkse

[still iron]

Ok that's a good strat too.. Just concern the healing she gives out not enough without Supernova.

Sigh such expensive setup to vs one boss.

[dapper hamlet]

it is, i use her, i used to amber, now i artisan as i got stronger and dont need amber

[narrow fulcrum]

Yea rengo is the most absurd inferno with its gear requirement and unit

[dapper hamlet]

and rng is horrible so its hard testing teams

i remember trying to find a team, the rng was killer

[still iron]

Can share what's the team and setup u use? Everyone on BB? I have an Amber (from my Tiamat) rdy to try on Sania.

[narrow fulcrum]

Sec

[dapper hamlet]

i tried tanking down, i have seen ppl do it with rahu + holden, i had an easier time with yeli + lily (both BB)

[still iron]

Thanks.. Yea BB on sania and speed on supports. Then pure dps. Still the best way to go.

280 speed lily and 250+ speed viper

Thanks2 will try it out

[dapper hamlet]

i dont run BB on sania but mines over 50k hp

i run close to the same build, but i have BB on viper/lily/yeli

my bb lily is 300 spd tho

[hidden seal]

Do you have Doki

[hearty void]

Using my hoyan team of lily liliam kloss r cachi works pretty well for rengo. Like 50s clears

[finite dirge]

cachiTG + nippleoil will be a great combo

[frail shoal]

I was replying to what OP said

Didnt even see ur message before i sent that

If i hurt you im sorry

[livid totem]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-face-barbie-omg-surprised-gif-16311728

[fast fjord]

ragebait successful

[frail shoal]

🙏

[knotty seal]

shut up rengo whiners, this the REAL shell boss that needs a nerf

SHAROOOOOOOOON

[solemn mica]

get rid of the buff strip and its good to go

[frail shoal]

Its just cachi the guard bro

[knotty seal]

that bih is blasting you through ctg tho
sharon doesn't respect cachi

[barren quest]

Reduced Deepsea Jellyfish's HP by 40% in Break Point–Kururu, EtherNet Core for [EtherNet Rally].

endgame pve modes keep getting nerfed but rengo cant be nerfed xd

[still iron]

No don't have

[hidden seal]

Ah

[solemn mica]

I am hoping the delay on Rengo nerf is due to how exactly they are going to nerf it. Might be an internal debate between stat line and making it no longer elemental RNG

[hidden seal]

I think we're just cooked

[solemn mica]

i mean im not, but im trying to help other players out

It wouldn't make sense not to make some kind of change, way too many people are leaving and claiming its a huge roadblock

[hidden seal]

Same

All efforts for naught

[solemn mica]

We can only hope my friend

Also C you still here?

[livid totem]

c got kidnapped

[steady pier]

This game isn't for casual player Huh..
I see..

[livid totem]

it not

[floral cedar]

Was never

[solemn mica]

this ain't your grandpa's gatcha game

[steady pier]

💔 , I really enjoyed it for the first couple weeks.

[solemn mica]

just keep playing and making progress, build your green sania and viper

[still iron]

This team working better for me. 2 Artisan shells helps and Amber BB swift on sania

[narrow fulcrum]

Gz

[still iron]

Thanks. Took a lot of tweaks. Lily needs 280+ speed and Viper 250+ speed

Yeli is maxed lattice. I tried Liliam but she suck for me. Need more dmg and diff team setup I guess. Lazy to test.

[potent ferry]

4 min with only 1 star must be a pain, always have to open your phone every 20 min the whole day

[potent ferry]

Do you have liliam fully skilled ?

[narrow fulcrum]

Yea mine like that too...but after i do liliam speed strat then i can have it to 10

Pretty much now the guy can farm codex for speed farm strat

[potent ferry]

Yeah if he gets one that is

[still iron]

Yes I have.. Tried different teams with her still failed. Im using white fang tho maybe that's why

[potent ferry]

I use white fang too its fine

[still iron]

At least now I can farm a count for her

[potent ferry]

I run vice/liliam/lingluo/kloss 85% winrate

I like the white fang in longer fights

[still iron]

You go straight for boss? Only Vice on BB?

[potent ferry]

The big difference for me was jackal guard on vice and kloss

Yes only vice on bb

[still iron]

Need to know how u set it up shell matrixes

[potent ferry]

Yeah straight for boss

[still iron]

What's the speed of your LL and Kloss?

Supernova LL?

[potent ferry]

Supernova on lingluo but fortissimo is also really good

263 on lingluo and 303 for kloss

Im trying to go for 270 on lingluo

But it does the job rn so im fine

[still iron]

I can't hit 300 speed yet even if mix and match modules.. Yea that's a big issue for me 😦

Will try roll for more speed.. And that speed config on JG

[potent ferry]

You have a swiftmite/swift jackal guard?

[still iron]

No not yet found that

Swiftrush bulwark swiftsmite closest

[potent ferry]

Oh, what i did is grind a lot of hoyan before rengo to get those juicy jackal guard

[still iron]

But yea will try a version of mine see if it works.. So far kept relying on sania only.

[potent ferry]

You might want to work on that after you get that count you need, but i wouldnt stay much longer on rengo

[still iron]

LL vice not yet try

[potent ferry]

Hoyan has a lot of very good shells for pve/pvp too

[hollow fossil]

Daddy made a vid for u bums smhhh

https://youtu.be/Qd6EbzCqQxU?si=RuT4JNf-Fj6hT0hp

[potent ferry]

So he wasnt joking when he talked about not nerfing rengo before in the chat

Nah i dont know what he smoked before the video, go look at 7:51, he casually just said that rengo was the 2nd easiest boss right after sharon

[short dew]

AHAHAHAHA

[potent ferry]

This is rage bait to another level. I thought i was good but hes something else

[solemn mica]

Can't clear rengo just get good /s

[blazing zealot]

If she had anything worth farming.

You would see more Sharon complaints.

Sharon Aurora Terror Rengo should all get nerfed.

[solemn mica]

whats wrong with terror?

[blazing zealot]

2 are required farming.

[blazing zealot]

It's a tad too fast/overtuned for auto battling.

[solemn mica]

yeah i can see that for the causal base

[blazing zealot]

Aurora just takes too long and requires LingluonS1 max and if you not chronicly online you don't know that.

[solemn mica]

yeah gacha gamers dont read boss mechs

lmao

[blazing zealot]

More so how are they supposed to know if the max LingluonS1 it like doubles her healing output

[lean jackal]

why nerfed aurora lol, you got lingluo free, 4 lattice for lingluo is not that hard, used a lot in other content

[blazing zealot]

Healthier game state.

[hidden seal]

I hate how they all have self cleansing. Piss off, let me stick some shit on here

[alpine girder]

whats wrong with nerfing, everyone happy

[hidden seal]

He also says you should be punished for not investing lattices in PvE units

Top tier troll video

[potent ferry]

He also said that wile using the top tier pvp units who just got buffed this season (rahu/holden), im not trying to invest into bruiser for pvp already, im not gonna do it for pve now thats for sure. I also have a team with a total of 18 gold lattice imvested and i still sometimes get a random loss

[hidden seal]

He's definitely joking

[calm thicket]

You can never tell with that guy because he just looks and sounds the same all the time

[short dew]

he’s my goat now

[knotty seal]

No lies

ling can use the non inferno supernova just fine

and kloss with dark moon

so it's really people fishing for halloween that suffer

[alpine girder]

@blazing zealot

[frail shoal]

Just nerf everything please... nerf storymode too 😂😂😂

[formal obsidian]

haha omega funny

[frail shoal]

Thanks!

Thanks, Mr GROWTH SIGMA MINDSET 😂😂

[blazing zealot]

Deal

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[blazing zealot]

Yeah I saw. Lol

[magic tusk]

bro everybody knows that no? No need to be chronically online

[blazing zealot]

No thats why half the playerbase can't clear aurora inferno and the Half of the half that can take 5 minutes a run.

[magic tusk]

when you ask in game chat they all know aurora need to max s1 lingluo

rengo and sharon nerf, sure.

[alpine girder]

aurora also, i dont wanna do 3min clear

[blazing zealot]

Imo the only inferno stage that is balanced is niconana

[alpine girder]

they nerf that b to the ground, great as a introduction to inferno stage

[formal obsidian]

yeah and for a reason its a FARMNIG STAGE

[blazing zealot]

Another round of nerfs to the other 6 only makes the game better.

[alpine girder]

[blazing zealot]

[spare crown]

Dont forget about sharon too just cause i have lily

[alpine girder]

if people think 3min clear is good in this game on any farming content, idk what to tell them, when they incentivize you to max refresh

[frail shoal]

Yea 3 mins a stage with pathetic rates is double whammy

[spare crown]

Well the devs dont want u to farm
They want u to have a feeling of achievement.
They spend 5 years for this game. why cant u all understand it goddamnit

[alpine girder]

damn i didnt think of that

sorry jack

[spare crown]

We hear you so help is coming in the way
Summon two new animus and pair them up with liliam to clear rengo

[alpine girder]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-no-way-aintnoway-what-gif-7371737709679061089

please release one for the other stage also

[copper sleet]

You know what's funny? Nimfo doesn't even specifically synergize with Liliam. Liliam already has a self atk buff and Nimfo has atk buff too. And pretty sure the greater atk buff will disappear once the shield is broken and we all know Rengo inferno hits like a truck. So, I'm not sure how Nimfo is even a solution for Rengo.

But if she is proven to be useless too (especially at 1/1/1), welp, that's a fake advertising and a major red flag. That means they lied to us again.

[wintry storm]

Her buff is, apparently, a separate feature, so no overlap. And it is probably locked behind 4 golden lattices

[magic tusk]

her shield gives different att buff. But yea, we'll have to wait and see

[zinc hill]

Well c did say he wrote the liliam thing on impulse

He didnt actually consider if they synergize or not

[jade panther]

@icy crow oii fucc

[still iron]

I've cleared all inferno now and I only buy mthly gem sub. They need patience and strategy to advance in game. Not sure can ask. But yea I still feel rengo needs to be nerfed he has way too many abilities.

[jade panther]

@icy crow this ret@rd fuccc thinks not.....he believes anyone asking rengo nerf has skill issue. This corporate dicccc succer forgot rng exists in this game. He's busy playing around with daddy etheria Diccc he doesn't know what is what. Dicc succer

[zinc hill]

[hearty void]

He probably said it could use a nerf in one of his 15 rengo videos

[tropic totem]

Replace some words there with „rng“ and u are correct

[blazing zealot]

[lime hill]

Same, my account is in a good state now so i dont feel like i need to buy them anymore

[smoky owl]

DAMN

Swap her for Rilmocha and everything will be fine

[lime hill]

HAIL THE RAT!

[reef raven]

[smoky owl]

Saving start point, for public utility

[reef raven]

@jade panther First warning, chill a bit man.

[calm thicket]

imagine crashing out because you suck at a game

[smoky owl]

Just bring this along with the new season, for a single character. This means only 6 characters would be reset per year.

[wary atlas]

rengo so slow

nerf him to the ground

need 10 second clears

[zinc bronze]

Nice flex of having lattice for maxing liliam

[lime hill]

My liliam is also maxed

I have 2 charakters completely maxed

Dokidoki and liliam

[wary atlas]

lilam my only max character

best time saving investment

[zinc bronze]

For me she would be maxed too if i could move my 11 Lattice from Rosa

Revelation nerf hit her like truck

[hybrid pecan]

GL baby. GL is the newest goat stg

Shit claps

[zinc bronze]

On pvp u don't have time to stack it unfortunately

As a Cleaver

On pve i use it because of eff acc

And u can stack it without problem

[hybrid pecan]

Very real

[wary atlas]

i use rosa still but she like a pocket pick with bulwark

if a team goes full cc

she slaps wen it works

[hidden seal]

Spreading Red Rin propaganda

[formal obsidian]

What Red rin

Casts first on auto

[hidden seal]

S3

Only at like 75% with her 1 1 4 but I anticipate a qualitative difference at 5 5 5

I need Kloss faster too

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-folklore-folklore-this-is-me-trying-this-is-me-trying-you-are-the-best-long-pond-session-gif-19889811

[hidden seal]

My brain is a perfect orb

[narrow fulcrum]

Red rin aoe taunt+shield+atk down and def buff....yea why tf she sounds really good lol

[zinc bronze]

Red Cachi propaganda

[small garden]

Is uhm
Simon cowell that bad

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-mac-smh-gif-12629097243644965814

[smoky owl]

Be careful not to say the forbidden word

[hidden seal]

Shadowflame Who?

He probably does work in Rengo too though

[zinc bronze]

He does

Cachi the god

[zinc bronze]

There is such word ?

[hidden seal]

||reset||

[zinc bronze]

[small garden]

Shadowflame-you'll-just-get-dreambaas-faster-now

[hidden seal]

We're gonna kill you dawg

[small garden]

And don't let the pro gamers in the trees know you're a casual

[zinc bronze]

Diamond on rta counts as casual ?

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

https://tenor.com/view/they're-everywhere-agnes-nine-perfect-strangers-you-can-find-them-all-over-the-place-hulu-gif-9773847090947122247

[knotty seal]

Damnnn keep cooking bro

[small garden]

Can i see your build for red rin?

[frail shoal]

Bruh i laughed out loud in public

Thanks for a good time mate

[hidden seal]

She's not better than Vice until she's max skilled, I think, and I'm out of chips so I can't get her shell where I want it, but ideally the jackal will be on red HP or red def, red SPD or acc, and insight

If I could get 20 more speed on her that would be lit but my luck is in like the bottom quartile in this game

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-424824508006372153

[hidden seal]

Swiftsmite would be good too but I only have one sr tw ss jackal and it's on kloss

I expect Nympho will do fine in the Doki slot as well if no Doki and Lingluo should too

[hidden seal]

I'm watching these runs though and 10%/boss res is so fucking overtuned

[dapper hamlet]

i dont understand why the 10% res exists in pve

[marble mantle]

Its exciting for the pve monsters, gives them a chance to fight back

[small garden]

They want us to feel reaaaaaaal goooooooood when the debuff lands.
As if we finally achieved something
As if we're doing more than playing a game

[marble mantle]

Yep, fuck your gear that you worked so hard to get to 200+ eff accuracy with 290+ speed

[hidden seal]

This thing needs to be nerfed immediately though that's for sure

[hidden seal]

Why is my 268 accuracy, max s3 Kloss missing at least 1/3 of her debuffs more than 1/3 of the time when Rengo isn't even spawning as Reason

[short dew]

try 300%

[hidden seal]

sponsor my mod shop purchases, I don't got rolls like that

[wary atlas]

u just need insight

on a shell

after that it still 90% to land or so

[radiant notch]

given their announcement of announcements

they are never nerfing rengoku

not when they can sell you the solution

[hidden seal]

I don't think she's even going to be a solution

Unless her damage increase is really off the fucking charts with 0 lattices

I just kind of full sent a random team I copied from replays before and didn't really read the mechanics until I decided to sit down and work on it on my own, and now that I'm actually reading and observing and tweaking this shit I'm like

Why are we still playing a game made by people with absolutely 0 respect for us lmao

[small garden]

@letstalkaboutdune foresaw this
Now he's left us to suffer through the whipping on our own

[small garden]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1406659936947015870

[floral cedar]

Gacha smack saying in his livestream to join etheria to his chat

[small garden]

Rn?

[floral cedar]

Ye

He is streaming gamescom

When someone in chat asks should I join etheria

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[floral cedar]

He says it's 6.5 game u should play it

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-gif-cartoon-meat-sheep-gif-18975403

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-speaka-any-english-speaka-speaka-english-jackie-chan-rush-hour-gif-18426418

[smoky owl]

I love her personality

[hidden seal]

Yeah her big angry club gourd is great

[small garden]

so the nft collector's message was deleted
?
what happened here

[stiff cliff]

I've been a red rin believer since day 0

[blazing zealot]

sounds like he finally got burnt out

[lost karma]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-24122184

[small garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-gif-12807868928498541318

[stiff cliff]

Whay happened

[stiff cliff]

Well dayum 🥀

[hidden seal]

You deserve credit for that and should be recognized as an OG talent spotter

I was on the Vice train, but her cooldowns scared me too much

[stiff cliff]

vice is pretty insane still the main appeal to him is instant free cheap lattices to outperform unbuilt / budget Sr's

so until then, vice probably outperforms rin unless literally need a shielder + def buffer to prevent getting one shotted

[hidden seal]

His heals are also nothing to sneeze at. I'm excited to get her s2 max for some big pp shielding though

The consistency on her s3 is just too good in comparison too

[stiff cliff]

she's my "opener" of my account while also flexing as a defensive support

very huge character, no 1 believed me when i said she's good 🥀 T3 on prywden

[pve] [pvp]

[hidden seal]

That entire lineup is full of useful af units

[stiff cliff]

i get that characters are hard to judge without further experimentation, but why are we ranking characters in the first place without testing (makoto, rin, all these other characters suddenly jupming up tiers)

[hidden seal]

Wisher's next on my list once Rin's done for sure

[stiff cliff]

tfw i want to build wisher, only 'cuz she's the only f2p aoe cleanser viable outside of lingluo

but building her is gonna be pretty min max

[hidden seal]

She'll earn it in no time

[stiff cliff]

why are they making cleansers so scarce compared to amount of cc's,

literally and exactly 2 viable aoe cleansers for f2p

[hidden seal]

I think they want cc to feel powerful

They look at the balance of acc res and see acc + a res down debuff + a very rare acc buff on the acc side

And then they see immunity, res, 10%, and cleanse on the res side

And they say, we need these skills to land fellas, don't even add a res version of the Gaze shell passive

[stiff cliff]

just kill them b4 they kill u 4head 🥀

[hidden seal]

Damage is the best CC

[proven violet]

I heard it before, the 2 new units will make Rengo easy fits the same pattern as when dreamscape said to be an event to fix game economy

[tropic totem]

Exactly what iam waiting for to see on Thursday

[barren quest]

i mean considering the preview videos didnt even showcase her against rengo lmao

[limber violet]

im sure the reaction of the playerbase will be wholesome and positive when they see both of the characters require 8 lattices minimum to even function

[livid totem]

I'm wondering what part of ninfo's and batsby's kit will be locked behind a lvl 5 or lvl 3 skill

like batsby only extends debuff duration if s3 is lvl 5

much like liliam's turn meter ignore and messiah passive ignore

[limber violet]

well Massiah passive ignore is on lv3 S3

we'll be lucky if the new characters' kits unlock at a similar level

[livid totem]

yea it's lvl 3 but i meant the general principle

[zinc bronze]

Turns out ninfo get locked everything behind massive lattice investment

[limber violet]

WOW WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING???????

[zinc bronze]

Real

People who advertising characters just read the scripts without a single care what bs there written

And those who write those scrips never even saw her kit value and cds and just write it based on just skills description

[gusty isle]

she's kinda of nuts tho

[zinc bronze]

If u have 8 lattice for a support lying around

[tropic totem]

is she though?

[zinc bronze]

Just look at her kit

[tropic totem]

its not like rimebloom is locked behind an upgrade

ofc the values get better with lattice investment

or what am i missing?

[gusty isle]

it's only the cd reduction

[ionic gulch]

We got rengo nerf behind new units costing 12 lattice to make a safe rengo run

[gusty isle]

0 lattice her s2 and s3 will be 5 turns

can use her in pve fast clears still

[tropic totem]

which doesnt matter for rengo because he must die on 2 cycles anyway, just put codex on her

[gusty isle]

yeah for rengo it's fine

[zinc bronze]

U missing eyes

All 3 lattice upgrades are Rimebloom

[tropic totem]

and now?

lol u are missing brain

"massive lattive investment"

[zinc bronze]

U missing brain if u can't even read

I will not bother waste my time

[tropic totem]

u cant even argue

[gusty isle]

for pvp her cycling will be an issue I think

gonna wait and see tests by whales

[tropic totem]

right

[zinc bronze]

10% healing of target max hp once per 5 turns and no heal at all aside from that is a massive cuck

Shield is just 1 dispell and its gone for 5 turns

[gusty isle]

yeah seems sus

and we have too many dispell in current meta

[narrow fulcrum]

Her s3 is 1 stack for xiada

Bloodbath xiada boosted

[velvet maple]

She should be fine for speed clears with 1 1 3, but for everything else, 4 4 5, that’s at least how I see it.

[narrow fulcrum]

You can pair her with dokidoki too

[zinc bronze]

U can pair her with anything

I mean doki

[gusty isle]

she could be dangerous for cleavers tho

80% atk is huge

[zinc bronze]

Bayontin buff is 100 times stronger and its 80% only if u lattice her

[velvet maple]

Yeah, but her base speed isn’t really that great

[gusty isle]

it's 2 lattice

her speed is good

137

on the quicker side

[zinc bronze]

And Bayontin has it with 0

[gusty isle]

maybe 5 lattice if ure a cleave player

[gusty isle]

she also has immunity with shield

anyway I think for pvp she's an option for cleavers

for bruisers I don't see her being that useful

[zinc bronze]

I am cleave main and i better pick Freya or Bayontin that also has revive and skill cd with 100% push

Also have option Doki

And Tsuki

Lily

5 options to pick alr

Why would i need her

[gusty isle]

she would be better if the fight drags on

[zinc bronze]

It doesn't

If u play cleave

[gusty isle]

it does vs bruisers

[zinc bronze]

Vs bruisers it 2-3 turns max

Cleave is kill or be killed

That's how i get to diamond

[wary grove]

So why wouldn’t you want 40% more attack.

[zinc bronze]

Because rev is gutted

[wary grove]

That doesn’t make sense

[zinc bronze]

And if u want stronger buff 50% cdmg with atk will give a lot more

Also there such thing as diminishing return

[gusty isle]

it is a fair point

[wary grove]

Change a right side module.

[gusty isle]

we are talking pvp here

[zinc bronze]

Yes

Who cares about pve just press auto and it dies