RTA genuinely sucks rn.

[mental terrace]

And no it is not because of bloodbath, I think bloodbath is fine and works as intended as a oneshot stopper. But after facing my 20th control opponent in a row in fearless arena, I really had to make a post about it. Can we please for the love of god do something about this ? The control team are pretty much impossible to counter with your drafts right now in a format without bans if your plan is not to play control itself. There are just so many effective pieces than unless you take several of them away and you end up playing the same thing than them, you just can't stop them. And you can tech your builds around control, but it's awfully rng as well and sometimes won't even do anything for you. Every single game in formats without bans is a control nightmare. Please introduce bans in every rank to fix that, there is no reason to gatekeep it behind diamond RTA. And also I think something needs to be done with the way precision and effect resistance interact with each other because losing to control with maxed effect resistance feels like complete BS. What more am I even supposed to do. I guess I could spend infinite money and try to have Mio and maybe be able to more effectively counterdraft them ? Until they have one more tool ?
So anyway please fix control for every format where we can't preban Aupol

[mental ocean]

have 1 animus with full res 300% and maybe even alicorn

as a bench character and pull it out when you want to counter pick

its not a 100% solution but it works sometimes as long as it on a non high tier character

[merry mango]

lil to no variety... thats what u all wanted when u all cried for rev nerfs lmaoo

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[inland moss]

I love this community

[mental terrace]

why are you assuming that I cried for rev nerfs tho. I do think it was the right decision because it was just so much easier to access than its counters hence creating a massive stop to newer players, but I don't understand why you talk about crying or no diversity

[proper pike]

Just nurf Rengo.

[pine musk]

control team? just cleave them, no?

[mental terrace]

when they first pick Lily then pick a Mio ?

my cleavers are not gonna take a single turn into that

[pine musk]

which opener do u have?

[mental terrace]

Lily

[pine musk]

any other than lily?

[mental terrace]

I don't really get to choose what the game gives me so it is what it is

I wish I had Mio but like I'm not sure how many non whale accounts have Lily and Mio, so I think it's fair to assume you wouldn't have both

[pine musk]

I don't have lily and doki, so I rely on tsuki as my secondary opener

[mental terrace]

tbh I think my point was a bit misunderstood. I'm not saying control is unbeatable. I don't have great tools to fight it but I still win some games. What is absolutely egregious tho is that about 95% of my games are against people hard forcing control right now, and if you weren't lucky enough to drop the specific answers to it or if you had other priorities like building your own winconditions for exemple... Then it's such a terrible experience. Even if you do have answers it is still so incredibly boring

bruiser games may be a bit too long rn, but at least you actually play the game and use your characters. But people hard forcing control to hope for a non game abusing the fact that you can't preban anything nor protect pick your often only answer because it takes very long to have 2 that they won't steal from you, that's just so unhealthy

and I think there is nothing better to drag newer players away from your competitive experience than have them face people whose gameplan is to lock them out of the game entirely again and again and be like "oh damn I guess I'll have to find specific units and grind for very specific builds then pray they don't get stolen to have a chance to begin playing the game". This is gonna deter so many people from playing your game cuz it's simply awful

[hexed sphinx]

Bruiser comps are already dominating in pvp and you want control comps that can somewhat counter them to be nerfed just because you can't stop them?

[mental terrace]

yeah let's not read anything and be completely beside the point to complain about bruisers

good move mate

[hexed sphinx]

I'm not complaining, you're the one complaining about control comps mate

Liliam easy counter to control and you're still complaining

Must be waiting for an RGB unit that's immune to all cc

[mental terrace]

pretty rightfully so I'd say. I mean when a comp about permalocking your opponent is pretty much all you see forced pick 1 in 95% of your games, I think there is something to be complained about

[hexed sphinx]

If that's all you're seeing in your games, you must be low rank or something

I saw the same thing in low elo and now 95% of my games is my opponent trying to pick every healer

[mental terrace]

yeah so you really didn't read anything, thank you for confirming. I played my fearless arena dude, ever heard of that ? The mode where there is no rank ?

[hexed sphinx]

Wait you want bans in fearless??

[mental terrace]

and "oh Liliam is an easy counter" yeah dude did you think you sound smart ? What do you do when they first pick it and now you have to deal with getting locked of the game and being 1shot at the same time ? Also they'll ban it from you if you first pick it, lock the other answers. What do you do now ?

[hexed sphinx]

I have never seen Liliam first picked in fearless

[mental terrace]

wow you must be low ranked

[hexed sphinx]

Now you sound dumb, there's no rank in fearless

[mental terrace]

how does it feel now nerd. Genuinely this discord pisses me of it's so annoying. It's full of people with their nose stuck so close to their keyboard that they don't even read what you're talking about before typing, say out of touch stuff just to clash people and feel better than them and not actually adress the point that they're making

[hexed sphinx]

That's because your suggestion is bad

If you had a good one, you'd have more positive feedback

[mental terrace]

no that's just because you're a fat nerd that's not even here to deliver feedback in the first place but just to react with a clownface and trying to bully people that feel like some things in this game are problematic

[hexed sphinx]

I did delivery feedback, you're acting like an overgrown child in your parents basement nerdraging over it

[mental terrace]

oh yes great feedback mate appreciate it. Frick off really that's all I got to tell you. If I get striked for that genuinely I don't mind, this discord is so toxic it gets on my nerves. You try to tell the devs something you feel is wrong, being the fact that fearless arena is all about people abusing the absence of ban to prey on newer players by force locking everyone out of the game, and people will just be pricks for no reason

[hexed sphinx]

This discord is so toxic? That's you right now and it gets on your nerves?

Reason I don't want bans on fearless is because there's no point, it's just a fun pvp mode to play

My bad for misunderstanding and not seeing the fearless arena part, but I'd rather fight 100 control comps than 1 bruiser comp on full bloodbath

Bloodbath is not fine, though. Having 55% of my damage nullified is not fun. Especially when people use lighthouse with it

[mental terrace]

that's just because you're trying to 1shot through it. Keep playing into bloodbath's strenght and you'll keep hitting a wall, that should be obvious. The way you play around bloodbath is by playing a lot of smaller damage instances adding up to a lot of damage like assist attacks and shell damage, and the bloodbath will do absolutely nothing for them other than taking 3 modules slots

[hexed sphinx]

What I meant to say was, is a 10-20 min game for one win worth it? Not to me

Also no one wants to be forced to play a certain way with bans in fearless

[mental terrace]

the thing is whatever is going on in fearless is an exact copy of what's going on in sub diamond rta. I wouldn't really care if it was only fearless, but seeing nothing but people hard forcing control in rta ? I just don't think that's okay at all. I don't think locking people away from playing a single turn should be a dominant strategy, especially not in the lower ranks of your games. You can disagree, but like why being so rude and passive agressive

[hexed sphinx]

While I agree, it's far more annoying fighting bruisers who just sit there and counter you to death

They don't really even have to take a turn and you're just dead

[proper pike]

if you're running bruiser I doubt liliam is one shotting you. but doki is very popular against cc team. also running effect res and alicorn can help too along with lingluo. amber should also help

[hexed sphinx]

I used to run cleave and I died purely by counters while fighting a bruiser team, then healers just full hp recover any damage I just did

While I agree stun locking is annoying, you just miss a few ccs at bad times and you're just dead to bruiser counters

[twilit pilot]

You're right

She's 2-shotting for sure

[mental terrace]

yeah I'm working towards that, it's so slow tho and I feel like the problem is that for control players, they barely have any cube to invest for their synergy to be online and the cubes they do have to use it's gonna be the first they use and same goes for modules it's gonna be their first priority. For the counter tho, you need a lot of very well built SSR units with cubes, specific gear and also you can't really afford to make them your first priority, partly because of the pve part of the game. So you end up with a massive disbalance between the teams and the tools you have to fight it and I think it's too much for how opressive the team is when you can't counter it well

[proper pike]

is she even doing that?

Even if she is thats a full dps liliam

she aint surviving

[mental terrace]

that's what I say it's really a team that heavily preys on newer players

and I don't think that's okay

[twilit pilot]

Depends on the unit but yeah pretty often even on bb law

[proper pike]

is this with or without def break

[hexed sphinx]

Nothing is gonna stop that even with bans when you have top players in fearless

[proper pike]

not true though. they need to farm rengo for codex

[twilit pilot]

Without

[proper pike]

is this a def scaler like holden?

[twilit pilot]

Depends on the Holden, but that's usually a 3-shot

[mental terrace]

yeah that's the only thing keeping them in check. As for me it's like, yeah I could go ahead and spend several thousands of stamina hoping for a good alicorn, but then I'm not even making progress on the strat I actually want to work on so can I really afford to do that. Idk I feel like you have too much work to do to counter it and too little to build it

[proper pike]

alicorn is much easier to farm than rengo

[mental terrace]

yeah ig you have a point. But nothing from Niconana is useful to me tho so I can't really afford to with how the economy is rn

I'm already out there trying to find good revelations and guards for my own gameplan

[proper pike]

gigabite?

white fang is also good for speed chasing

[proper pike]

I wouldnt worry about revelation

probably better to get something like count or law

[mental terrace]

I just want a nice one for Yeli

[proper pike]

I would still use count

but thats just me

[sonic heath]

Lemme just provide some solutions:
1.Veronika
2.Cachi the God
3.Dorothy the wisher
4.Doki
5.Freya (soft counter)
6.Bulwark
7. U steal one cc unit
8.U go bruiser
9. U take Liliam
10. Ling Luo
11. Gigabyte sania
12. High eff res bruiser build
13. Speed contest

I don’t really know what ur deal is Rango, when people give u constructive feedback like how Bramble Liliam is arguably the worst build but you live in your own reality and diss ppl back for not agreeing

[twilit pilot]

I mean people use that shell with whatever the hell as a 3rd line because all they care about is 6 6 keen fury

Or did he actually build it bramble

[sonic heath]

U can go thru the history of Rango

[twilit pilot]

Oh god

[pine sandal]

Haha "Im A TaNk PlAyEr" why i no win

no but really CC dosnt need to be nerfed

[clear jackal]

If u getting controlled by cc then just cleave

Or build 300+ eff res unit

Or draft liliam and lingluo

Saying bloodbath is fine lmao

[storm pollen]

just build sania and ling on full ER with ER 2nd passive + insight on 3rd and control is easy

control is actually way worse in fearless without ban protect to secure heinrich/obol

[true monolith]

yea build full ER, end up dying to a massiah S3 from 100 to 0

[storm pollen]

u dont die to massiah from 100-0 lol

bloodbath prevents that and also gives u ER

[true monolith]

not sure what to tell you, my 34k hp sania with full effect res and BB died to a oneshot from massiah, lol

[storm pollen]

post clip

my sania lives against attack buffed yeli even when she gets def broken

and my liliam survives on 21k hp vs massiah

[true monolith]

show your sania gear, maybe u have some insane setup, coz I run it on gigabyte

and gigabyte doesn't protect as well as lighthouse

[storm pollen]

no one runs lighthouse anymore

[true monolith]

although I don't think LH heals in between massiah ticks

[storm pollen]

also if they are pivoting to cleave u just pick anti cleave units

but yes rta sucks for different reasons

[true monolith]

what is ur shell's last passive?

[storm pollen]

yellow insight

[true monolith]

man, I must've met some 5/5 kekker level whale then, coz that traumatized me so much to the point where I lost a lot of confidence

[storm pollen]

mayb u went against beyontin or freya nightmare debuff

[true monolith]

oh yea, there was freya, but it wasn't on revelation

[pine sandal]

Who cares if there is one unit that counters your team ban it 😂 we cleavers cant ban all 40 of your bloodbath units

[burnt crown]

Thinking bloodbath is fine is kinda wild

Also CC is like rng dice per match. You miss a cc twice or so your dead. Also Messiah can 1 shot alot of BB yes but that's the whale out or giga geared kinda of Messiah

There is like only 4 CC units people run now? Kaz Obol Lilith Mio You get the rare Kraken and Nahor but let's be real Nahor kinda cooked.

Now even brusiers are running Def Bramble Kaz

Also bulwark kinda of a thing no? You can force it on 2 to 3 units and pivot your draft to it once they are going for CC

[gray phoenix]

out of curiosity out of 10 matches how many do you lose against turn 2 players?

[burnt crown]

Depends on good draft about 3 to 4 either missing the cc to ling or Sania

There was someone that used 330+ Ling but

[gray phoenix]

do you also often face bulwark? how do you deal with those teams?

[burnt crown]

You usually need a Hein Mia or Obol

Low-key thinking of removing Holden and Mizuki for Bruiser build and going for strip

[frigid lintel]

My red chiaki have 300% eff res buat get controlled EVERY single time. So yeah i agree

[burnt crown]

Question is why Red Chiaki tho

[burnt crown]

Yang is possible but not on healers and it's only single target disper

I usually use him for opponents Kaz cause they are usually on Immunity

As for often only 3 in 10 matches?

Usually Holden Mizuki

Doki

But I think people will start drafting LH ER Bulwark Lings for Cleave and CC soon

I like today's fearless tho

Everyone cleaving

[gray phoenix]

dont you usually preban ling/doki on rta if you use cc? then during the match you pick whats left of the cleanse units to steal them from the opponents

that forces them to build alternative healers

[burnt crown]

You usually ban Doki but I talking about fearless. Rta I'm at plat cause well it's the wild west

[tight escarp]

All you need to read about this post to fully ignore it is that OP thinks BB is fine what a clown 🤣

[gray phoenix]

if we just 🤡 anything that what we disagree with then we wouldnt have learned about alternative ways of dealing with cc or bb

[tight escarp]

The moment matches take 20min cuz bloodbath+heal you can't simply say BB is fine.

[tender snow]

Obol strip hein strip Holden if they also wanna take a brusier away

[sonic heath]

Eff res, ling luo cleanse, obol if they also wanna take a cc away

[tender snow]

300 eff res on sania still gets cced a good bit

It’s just rng at the end of the day was just saying what the counter to bw was

[steep kraken]

I tested using it at 342% resistance, and it was completely useless in 90% of cases or more

[tender snow]

Ur also just not guaranteed to remove the stun or sleep either

Could cleanse the atk down or dot instead

[stark yarrow]

Your opinion is completely worthless since the beginning when you said that BB is fine

[mental ocean]

it still chance but u just need 1 or 2 to resist n it could swing the game. unless its obol.

[stark yarrow]

It's too random, especially against cc that multi hits like Obol or Kazuyo. It's extremely improbable to resist every single attack

[mental ocean]

ya multi hits like obol u cant resist

not all match are the same though

where they run full acc

if they skip and go more def

then there a chance for it to resist and that all u need most of the time

as for the top of the top

its hard to fight against players who know what they r doing

[stark yarrow]

Yeah in the end the problem remains that there is too much rng in every single interaction

Even with the "perfect" set up there are so many things that can go wrong every turn and it's pretty frustrating to be completely at the mercy of rng

[mental ocean]

it does make some holy shit that happen moments

like i won my last fearless match due to sania resisting 3 turns in a row

and i went from. 3v1 back to a 3v3

and some how won the game

might be the reason i might be a tad bias

but i rather try the intend solution

then just giving up

[twilit pilot]

I'm surprised I've never seen people complain that Lilith's bombs need to pass a res check on detonation

Edit: maybe cause it's part of her skillups and I'm illiterate

[storm pollen]

hard agree

[stuck arrow]

i just got hard controlled while using my stack res sania

[limpid grove]

Yeah cos it was variety having a meta with 3 supports on rev...

[proper pike]

it was countered last season with bloodbath lighthouse

[limpid grove]

yeah, i know... thats not variety tho 👀

[proper pike]

still more than now

[limpid grove]

its the same... 2 play games where before reve nerf... there are 2 play games now ether cc or turtle mode.

[proper pike]

you do know cc was a thing last season too right?

[limpid grove]

CC was pair with reve every time... they get the first turn, cc your all team and the next 2-3 chars on rev to oneshot. The only deference now its that cc teams are being use without rev.

[proper pike]

it wasnt since it would proc lighthouse

[limpid grove]

Exactly my point... Lighthouse was the counter to reve+cc team... 2 play teams, now we have focus cc teams with 1 regular dps and Turtle mode with Bb adn 2 healers... 2 play teams, bc we have no more options.

[proper pike]

lighthouse didnt counter cc since they didnt do enough damage in one turn to proc it

[limpid grove]

i didnt said it counter cc... i said counter reve+cc on the same team

[proper pike]

I mean you can watch neverlucky and see for yourself

he didnt have rev on cc units

[pine sandal]

bloodbath isnt the problem IF it was the only source of damage reduction, this stupid arena 30% damage reduction kinda insane that it stacks with every other source, i think they need to lower all damage in the game and then lower all damage reductions (that or lower BB and increase the effect from stacking defense)

[stark yarrow]

Bro arena damage reduction+BB+viper+tiamat+third passive and you are literally immortal

[wanton ocean]

• origami guardian

[stark yarrow]

Yeah I forgot