Hey ER Devs, JUST NERF FARMING STAGES.

[pale loom]

What happens when your "Rengo Banner" goes off targeted

None of your changes will ever get new players into the game.

They just restrict new players.

[scenic bloom]

yup, this is and never could be a sustained solution.

[remote lily]

Maybe this is premature, and maybe these new units will be strong in PvP too but no one wants to be pulling for and building PvE units 2 - 3 months into the game.

The time to balance PvE around your unit roster was at launch. Your end game PvE needs to balanced around that. Any other future PvE units need to come from content like the hyperlink charter where players just get the unit for free if it's "designed to crush PvE content"

This is supposed to be a PvP gacha. We already don't have a good lattice economy as is. You already pulled this crap once with Yeli, releasing a unit that blows everything else away and requires 11 lattice, but at least she's also useful in PvP.

I will wait and see the units but personally even though I'm already farming all the inferno content fine, the decisions of this dev team and their reasoning have pushed me to the point where I will probably be dropping the game soon despite the fact I've spent quite a bit of money.

[pale loom]

Yep, take a note from E7, players need a clear progression path through the PvE.

They shouldn't need to guess and waste resources trying to clear PvE.

Hand hold them through it.

(excluding the actual end game PvE of course)

[remote lily]

Exactly I dont remember how long ago it was, it wasn't at launch but maybe a few months or a year later when I played E7, and even then they handed you a team to clear Wyvern, and just from doing that you could build other teams strong enough to clear the other PvE content.

All these devs had to do to be successful was look at other PvP gachas, the big two being e7 and summoners war, do the same and or improve. Instead they seem determined to make a worse game and rely on updated graphics to carry them.

[pale loom]

The community has been very vocal about PvE in this game. Every announcement has been "we listen to the players, create feedback to help us understand" and then they don't take our feedback.

It's very confusing.

Hoards of people telling them how to improve the game.

I think everyone would be happy if Rally and Embertrek were their "Hard PvE modes" and everything else was dumbed down.

And if you want more hard pve content, add more end game modes.

[empty hazel]

it won't work in the long run though because at the end of the day it's "fool me twice, shame on me"

[pale loom]

Add more anisync, except not apate, that shit is ass

[empty hazel]

i fully agree with everything in this post btw

[unreal flame]

Oh XD

[pale loom]

I like ER, and I don't want it to fail, but the devs seem to feel the opposite from their prospective changes. If something doesn't happen before Star Savior they will be in for a bad time.

[split steeple]

im waiting for czn to launch

[pale loom]

And we don't want ER to fail, because more games in the space means better overall quality of these types of games.

The players sincerely want ER to do better

[split steeple]

coping maybe they will add more patch note when they release new animuses

they do in house testing i assume

cause there's no leaks whatsoever,, so no test server

[empty spoke]

Man i had high hopes for this game

[unreal sapphire]

But.....if we nerf rengo the marathon will be over and we will start sprinting

[empty spoke]

Ive got 1 min rengo 90% wr let me tell u i farmed for the past 2 weeks with max refresh still havent gotten proper shells

With these trash rates doesnt matter how much they nerf it its gonna be a marathon

14k crystals spent not a single proper shell

[scenic bloom]

yea, I dont understand this aswell. Good and valuable player feedback has already been provided but they are not really changing accordingly to it. Some things are so obvious but they just dont want to change it seems like. Ive done my last feedback post today. At this point im like they dont deserv my time I put into feedback anymore - its pointless

[pale loom]

I'll keep providing feedback until Star Savior. Then we can unfortunately just peace out if we still aren't heard.

[mystic zealot]

stop wasting your time

[pale loom]

I don't see it as a waste of time, I enjoy ER.

[scenic bloom]

nah it looks more sloppy than this one

[pale loom]

Even though it's poorly managed at the moment.

And let's be real guys, Star Savior will probably fuck up as well Lol.

One of these devs will get it right one day

[mystic zealot]

i also enjoyed it but not anymore feels like a job but with no pay

[pale loom]

Fortunately for me, I'm at super end game, so my daily ER stuff is limited.

[empty spoke]

Same

[pale loom]

But I feel for those not in my position for sure.

[empty spoke]

Cleared apate alr

[mystic zealot]

i am at end game also

[split steeple]

i don't refresh anymore,, just log in and do my dailies now.

[empty spoke]

Such a poorly designed boss

[split steeple]

waiting for next announcement

[scenic bloom]

Im at the point, where I think the devs have absolutely 0 clue what the roots of their problems are OR they work actively against us to piss us off. Daily stamina packs? yea.... not like we need to make the gaps between f2p-dolphins-whales bigger. Not willing to nerf inferno content(btw casuals prolly still struggling with aurora and sharon)? Yea just pull the new banner then...

[empty spoke]

Not a single word about the largest issue, lattice.

[scenic bloom]

Hopefully the new Module event wont be pay2win

[storm yarrow]

Agree but it’s not going to happen. They already tripled down on the difficulty and c already said farming should be hard (why xiao crashed out)

[scenic bloom]

I wouldnt say largest but for sure still a big problem

[empty spoke]

F2p get 2 lattice on average per week. Thats 1.5 months to max one ssr. They release 3 ssrs every 1.5months. They dont need to double the lattice acquisition, just increase it for gods sake

[empty spoke]

Its a me problem i guess lattice is my biggest limiting factor

[storm yarrow]

To be fair it’s around the same amount as summoners war

[empty spoke]

People need to stop comparing the game to summoners war. Summoners war is setting the bar as low as it can get

[storm yarrow]

It’s not much of a problem in sw though cause there’s no addition stats locked behind the level up mat

[storm yarrow]

Sw has a higher bar tf

[scenic bloom]

I also hate when people comparing recent games with others. Just cuz other game set bars low doesnt mean new games has to be as shit as the old games...

[empty spoke]

Man im just crashing out ngl

[pale loom]

The issue with lattices is that we need 12 of them, and they are very integral to actually making a unit function. These are heavily time gated to a point that even if you whale you can't build characters. How does a new player EVER play RTA? There are no catch up mechanics.

Lattice timegating would be fine, if lattices weren't NEEDED to make characters work

[storm yarrow]

I’m comparing them RIGHT NOW. What you can get if you played TODAY. Not 10 years ago like the others

[empty spoke]

Yea and then they keep doing big buffs and nerfs like they didnt test these characters before releasing them. At least give reset events for all those ppl who for example invested in cleave

Summoners war is a trash game comparing this to sw is stupid

[pale loom]

Timegating lattices also means there is no room for experimentation in PvE or PvP

Everyone plays what works the best, because we can't afford to try something else

If bloodbath gets omega nerfed there is going to be a huge porition of the playerbase that just can't pvp anymore

because of their investment

[storm yarrow]

Problem is that they lock stats behind the lattice

[pale loom]

Locking functionality and cooldown times to lattice is just awful

[empty spoke]

Yea and if they dont provide reset its a GG

[storm yarrow]

Already happened with rev

[empty spoke]

Yea

[lethal turtle]

similarly to how rev was treated, ppl will just tell u gitgud, should have invested in other characters instead and suck it up with ur useless lattice investment

[split steeple]

im destroying everybody in gold with rev, but can't kill bloodbath bruiser comp in plat

no resources to build bruiser comp. no rahu tiamat etc also

[storm yarrow]

Yeah before the nurf it was already hard to go against bb with rev

[split steeple]

yea, im just collecting 2000 weekly coins.

[empty spoke]

The paid white horses

[storm yarrow]

Ngl I thought bare minimum they were gonna nurf bb

Didn’t happen

[scenic bloom]

sure, but that doesnt change anything tho? extenuate this system saying yea SW does similar things so its fine, is just a generic bad attempt imo. Why are we defending this? This almost sounds like your saying yea SW does the same so for ER its "fine"

like why arent we improving

[empty spoke]

Exactly

[storm yarrow]

I’m not defending it. I’m saying they are competitive with their competition

[scenic bloom]

right, and this sucks

well nvm then it just reads like ur defending this

[storm yarrow]

The whole point of gacha company is to be barely better than the competition

That’s it

[empty spoke]

Summoners war aint their competition tho they aint getting new players

This games competition will be CZN and star savior

[solar pewter]

Do you have Liliam?

[storm yarrow]

Sw is much larger than Etheria

[empty spoke]

They are lucky they didnt release with new TRPG

[empty spoke]

Was*

[split steeple]

no, no mizuki after 1000+ summon either

[storm yarrow]

Is

[empty spoke]

They probably have less players now

[solar pewter]

Jesus christ

[empty spoke]

Or wtv players they have is just their old player base

[storm yarrow]

It doesn’t

[empty spoke]

We can agree to disagree

[solar pewter]

SW still has over 100k people active enough in RTA to get ranked every season

[split steeple]

okay I have 120 gold ticket, I can pull her. But I dont really want to

[empty spoke]

^

[storm yarrow]

We are barely reaching 300

[empty spoke]

Its just the old player base

[solar pewter]

No, because you're factually, easily proven wrong

SW's population is at least a 2 digit multiple of this game's

[empty spoke]

Aight good for u

[storm yarrow]

You can check twitch number too

[remote lily]

Not to mention every day this games population drops

[storm yarrow]

If anything e7 is the same size

[empty spoke]

Well can we stop comparing this to sw and get back to the topic of improving this instead?

[solar pewter]

SW is a good example of many improvements the game can make

[empty spoke]

Yea thats true

But the devs dont seem to care

[pale loom]

Speaking back on lattices: Change every character to just have stats behind lattices, put all lattice improvements into the base kit.

Fixed

Stop dying on the lattice hill

What a stupid way to kill a game.

And by stats I don't mean speed.

[storm yarrow]

Sembu is back

[kindred cloud]

sounds like u want a pokemon battle simulator

[empty spoke]

Oh god a white horse is here

[kindred cloud]

just checkin in on the boys

this one wildin

[pale loom]

I don't want to be rude, but anyone defending the lattice system either wants the game to fail, or is extremely mentally dense.

[scenic bloom]

[pale loom]

What a position to take.

[empty spoke]

Well @pale loom theres so many posts like urs but it doesnt seem to work hahah

We shld just give up

[pale loom]

It's not a big deal, we push on until new things come out.

[kindred cloud]

pokemonshowdown.com

[empty spoke]

White horse btw just ignore their ragebait

[split steeple]

unpaid bro

[storm yarrow]

Ngl idk what you guys were expecting. Pretty much the MO for this company

[pale loom]

Yeah it's fine, I won't interact with them. It's just someone bored trying to bait comments.

[empty spoke]

Yea fair shldnt expect anything

[kindred cloud]

Take out lattice! i cant determine how to use my resources!

ty

[empty spoke]

Np!

[scenic bloom]

@kindred cloud are you a spender?

[empty spoke]

Just ignore them they are clearly a white horse trying to ragebait

[scenic bloom]

nah sembu is fine

[scenic bloom]

dont agree with this either tho

[pale loom]

If they want to keep lattices in the game, and continue to timegate them. It's one of the only solutions I can think of that allows new players and returning players to not be completely behind

[solar pewter]

Sembu is necessary for the balance of the world

[pale loom]

That solution is assuming nothing changes with Lattice income

[scenic bloom]

you forget they need to make money. Lattice are their main sells

[pale loom]

More lattices = more characters to build = more people pulling

Also add targeted banners for old RGB units

There are a lot of changes that could be made

[lethal turtle]

and clearly their monetization wasnt working or they wouldnt have addressed monetization in the post

[pale loom]

Add actual skins = money as well

[scenic bloom]

this is not correct or not fitting this game

[pale loom]

Their monetization model is very bad. So something needs to change.

[empty spoke]

Could sell stam pot packs too

[scenic bloom]

we have enough pulls to pull every char

maybe less on the ld side

but u def can pull every rgb banner

as f2p

[pale loom]

I would say a lot of players aren't even buying lattices from the shop, because its 30 dollars for 1/12 of a character.

Also people would still want lattices with the stats solution

if they gave more health / more x / more y

[split steeple]

its so easy to add skins. Why are they being so lazy. Bikini skins would sell, badass armor skin would sell, anything other than recolor. It takes a day to model and implement. Just put your intern to do it.

[pale loom]

They just wouldn't be required to play a character

That's just my idea, not saying it's right or perfect.

Trying to be a little future thinking.

[empty spoke]

They could use AI to do proper skins with extra prompts, instead they ask AI to recolour the animus 😂

[split steeple]

this guy is doing it for free, just hire him or yea, use ai idk

[empty spoke]

Her holding a carrot is pretty funny hahhaa

[kindred cloud]

yeah

only buy lattice tho

no crystals, no pulls, no keys during dreamscape

[scenic bloom]

same

[whole canyon]

2nd one fire

[kindred cloud]

Nothing else really worth it in the shop fr fr

[remote lily]

They don't sell enough of them tho

I wouldn't buy them now because I'm leaning towards quitting. But as a whale I would have bought a 100 dollar x4 lattice pack every week

It would be one thing if they actually sold lattice to make money, but they don't even do that lol

[scenic bloom]

not only that, I think 30$/1 latt is a bit delusional. You cant sentizise low spenders or dolphines to buy them consistently.

sure for whales it doesnt matter the prcie tag, they buy regardless. But I think you need to balance prices around your dolphins to buy them consistently. But 30$ a lattice feels like a scam

[remote lily]

Yeah there should be a value weekly pack that's good for everyone

[lethal turtle]

well im really hoping they make lattice packs have better value to incentivize spenders to have a reason to buy their lattice pack

[remote lily]

Then a whale pack

[scenic bloom]

atleast the dazzling event shop give you 1 perf + 1 purple lattice for 30$, sounds more reasonable

[pale loom]

F2P's need more lattice income.

I'm going to assume we are just going to go into the milking stage of the game

Where we can just buy even more lattices from the shop

But I hope that's not true

[ionic dome]

Yeli, then Liliam and now these 2 new units I might add

[pale loom]

It was not a good sign that they didn't even mention lattices in the announcement

not even a hint

[lethal turtle]

its about to release in CN soon, the shop will definitely have more packs for the spenders there

[split steeple]

dev might just not expecting global players to progress this quick as they were preparing to launch for CN, KR, JPN. Now they are just stalling. Cause cn jp kr players will be thrown into the same rta pool as global players

[storm yarrow]

C doesnt think lattice is a problem

[split steeple]

They don't want asia biggest playerbase complain about unfairness too right

[pale loom]

Well, that's concerning for sure.

Since he is our gateway to the devs

[scenic bloom]

he does somewhat

[whole canyon]

Now that’s actually bad

[storm yarrow]

you have to also know that jack holds no power according to the seii vid. his team votes on whats an issue and goes from there.

[scenic bloom]

#1404513356743835669 message

[storm yarrow]

idk hes been liking every comment that says its not an issue

[remote lily]

Yeah he also has some pretty delusional/paid by XD takes tho.

Like the dreamscape event balancing out even though you can figure out the answer with basic statistics.

[scenic bloom]

weird...

if this is true thats an issue for sure...

I still believe that the generic latt income / new char every 3 weeks is a bit off

[remote lily]

I mean the fact that as a whale you can't even max out characters as they come out shows it's off imo

[scenic bloom]

maybe +0.8/1 latt a week would feel a bit better idk

especially for the f2p players

[unreal flame]

The idea of even making a small increments than 1 of skill up is a really weird thing for me

[remote lily]

I think 1 event from weekly arena, then 1 event gold lattice (guaranteed) should be the standard. It's 3 characters every 6 weeks. Being able to max one of those as a f2p is reasonable

[scenic bloom]

I think they dont even want that... so they can say "Hey, we have a "competetive" environment going here" true cope, since its a gacha over all but still... Its weird to explain englisch isnt my mother tongue tho im not fluent enough to explain

they just trying to be everything in 1 game

[remote lily]

Yeah, I know what you mean there, but you can't make everyone happy, and they decided to go the route of making characters easy to pull. I want f2p to also have a good time but with dupes in RTA it's already going to be skewed towards p2w. Then you add in max refresh farming etc. I think limiting refreshes and with the amount of free pulls people get is already good enough.

[scenic bloom]

yes but imma be honest the new upcomming cheap stamina packs going to kill the chance for f2p to ever be competetive in this game period. (with this I dont mean top 10, more like mythic at all)

its a very bad signal imo

even if its 1$/1stab

[pale loom]

If they monetize the module tuning system

The game is cooked

[scenic bloom]

its gonna be +30/40 per each x2 event

[lethal turtle]

with how they are selling dreamscape keys and its an event as well, u can be sure the module reforge will be monetized as well

[scenic bloom]

no doubt in that

[empty spoke]

Oh god

[pale loom]

We don't know yet how we get that currency

Probably monetized

Would hope that it's not heavily monetized

That would be not good

[manic sorrel]

6 random modules is 10$, i guess 1 specific module will be about the same

[still charm]

This, omg. I've been farming for 1.5 months at 90% daily with 10 crystal refreshes: guess how many codexes with 2 speed Bulwark I got...

[muted hare]

As someone who just started a month or two ago, you get literally everything you need for free. It's not even just the characters; you get the artifacts and gear you need too. The game literally tells you to do wyvern first, tells you to build and use the free characters (which comfortably clear wyvern), and then gives you characters for the other two as well and tells you to build them.

They give you like 30 copies of the best PvE arti in the game along with a shit ton of PvE top-tiers.

Tamarinne, Cermia, literally every SC (they're just upgraded 3 stars), etc.

and then etheria restart just throws you to the fucking wolves lmao

Hyperlink charter doesn't even guide you on how to progress

it just tells you to meet certain thresholds

Like it tells you to clear a certain stage 1-10 times

but never tells you how

nor does it give you the characters to do so

[grand lily]

^ real

[storm yarrow]

there's no help in a marathon.

[muted hare]

Ah, you're right. I should've known that I deserve to slug through 6 months of shit before actually playing the game.

[unreal flame]

Even that the lian was nerfed from beta to now due to terramatron getting turn Meter resistance

Its so weird just why

[muted hare]

Money

Their strategy is pissing people off into spending

But it's not working

[tranquil stone]

Short and succinct. 'These devs don't know what is going on' sums up everything about this game.

5 yrs in development and this game is basically a watered down, more boring, AI-generated version of E7.

[chilly condor]

Remind you we already have this kind of feedback called #1384230665461170346 but guess what? They not doing it anymore so gl