Our Rengo nerf is here! Wait its just a new banner....

[fiery tundra]

Remember these Devs thinks Dupes don't matter.

[glacial notch]

"hurr durr u can pull the unit" when Rengo exists after the banner ends and people don't want to play a game where you spend 10 hours total on auto battles for 10 refills:

[limpid yarrow]

It would be money grabbing if I didn’t have 2 pity’s saved without spending a cent

[wild sail]

so why'd u have to make a brand new discord account

[fiery tundra]

Probably got banned

[glacial notch]

Probably got banned for being stupid or a ragebaiter before

[limpid yarrow]

Just felt like a change really

[fiery tundra]

Whats your RTA Ranking?

[glacial notch]

unfortunately not much u can do when ur opponent thinks they are getting on the ceos personal yacht if they defend their decisions

[wild sail]

I mean you can /nick and change a pfp pretty easily

get me onto Jack's yacht

[quaint token]

Retrieve madness body from their

[wild sail]

not madness

😭

[limpid yarrow]

I haven’t been playing much rta this season unfortunately

[fiery tundra]

Its almost like this PvP Gacha Made Getting through the Tutorial Unbearable which Caused a Backlash to Rev because people couldn't Farm Rengo and Aurora.

[limpid yarrow]

I am in the top 100 leader board for ember bonus stage if that’s a good enough hint

[fiery tundra]

and Killed pvp

[fiery tundra]

That just means you did it first.

[glacial notch]

I mean the guy who speed ran all of the content early with massiah quit cause he wasn't very good at pvp

so this doesn't really say much

[limpid yarrow]

Yeh? That’s really good considering a lot of top tier players are still stuck on 24

[fiery tundra]

Cool so there is your achievement stop gatekeeping Tutorial Stages.

[little tapir]

bruh what, you just need to taunt on that stage lmao. why are you boasting that

[limpid yarrow]

Sure have it your way

[quaint token]

He is a pve boaster

[limpid yarrow]

Oh yeh that’s all there is to it

[glacial notch]

but how is he supposed to get that yacht trip if he's not invited on the boat cause he's not selling the new banner hard enough serra

think of the potential tan!

[little tapir]

yeah that's all there is to it, i beat that on day 1 too

[fiery tundra]

40% Nerf to Rengo 30% Nerf to Aurora/Sharon 20% Nerf to Hoya/Terror/Doki and 10% Nerf to NicoNana. Spd/HP/Atk

[glacial notch]

holy that's a lot damn

[fiery tundra]

he said have it my way im going all in

[glacial notch]

we may agree on the action but the degree may be a different

[limpid yarrow]

Dude even wants a Nico nerf I be clearing in 20 seconds

[fiery tundra]

[fiery tundra]

Perfect world Balance. for Farming Stages

[wild sail]

dam u beat ClaireEve's 23 seconds

and she went through all the rng for that clear

[limpid yarrow]

At this point I’d say your addiction for instant gratification is your biggest issue

[fiery tundra]

Still gotta farm the Stages.

Which is a Click Auto and Then Check back

I also Rather not have people be gated by content so they can enjoy the game more instead of quitting.

then Again PvP is kinda cooked right now

[glacial notch]

I do think if anything else aside from Rengo needs to be hit it's the aurora immunity tower it's rather fast for no good reason lmao

feels like even with viper slow it's still keeping up well with my team

[limpid yarrow]

People will always come and go but to assume that people are just going to quit because you think they share the same opinion is a bit overblown

[quaint token]

Pvp is like porter vs porter who will deliver the goods in the entire battle it became a transport now

[fiery tundra]

Bro I run a Guild....

[random crane]

ok its bedtime for everyone

goodnight

[fiery tundra]

[undone plover]

Have a great sleep

[limpid yarrow]

Same nice

[undone plover]

We love you

[fiery tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitten-alone-sleep-tucked-in-gif-14814077

[fiery tundra]

What guild?

How much Turnover.

[limpid yarrow]

Why would I tell you?
If the point your trying to make is that you have people constantly quitting I can’t relate my union has had steady numbers for months

[little tapir]

I think only rengo need nerf imo. Aurora is kinda easy no if you max viper and lingluo s1? It will be slow run but yea

[fiery tundra]

Maxing Lingluo's S1 is a feels bad. but yeah

[fiery tundra]

Just so I can see if your in Top 100

[limpid yarrow]

No? Because she’s used everywhere

[fervent salmon]

best healer in the game

pvp demon

[fiery tundra]

I agree still feels bad

[limpid yarrow]

Why would it matter? I can bet my bottom dollar your not

[fiery tundra]

How much. I will send my Paypal

Or is someone a broke boy

[limpid yarrow]

Your takes on the game are so bad I can guarantee your in a bottom union

[undone plover]

Like union ranking matter for anybody expect braggers

[fiery tundra]

Aite Money where your Mouth is how much we betting?

[bleak orbit]

i dont know how you can even feel this

[fiery tundra]

Trust me it feels good after you do it.

but going in it feels bad.

[limpid yarrow]

Everyone sees how bad your takes are dude your not fooling anyone

[bleak orbit]

getting +15 spd and making content easy 😄 i dont feel bad

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

Mostly but the immunity tower is just a nuisance lmao. Would be nice if it didn't go so damn fast

[fiery tundra]

How much money we putting on it?

50$

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-7922961204564264622

[fervent salmon]

i mean the only cooked take i see her make is nerfing Terror and nico, i agree with most of everything else

[fiery tundra]

That was me going overboard.

Cause I think it would improve the new player Experience.

[glacial notch]

I think most of PvE Inferno (non-Rengo) is just a bit too fast personally, but it's not unbeatable just annoying lol

[limpid yarrow]

It really means nothing my bro I see rank 60’s in top unions now

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

Mostly cause I sat there wondering 'damn I really need a high +15x set on Kloss to outspeed' when I was new

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-pain-captain-holt-terry-crews-terry-jeffords-gif-24713773

[limpid yarrow]

This literally proves nothing? you said you run it but I bet they were desperate for members for union wars and let you in

[fiery tundra]

Bro doesn't know the Lore

It was Tectone's Guild that he had me run before the game shit the bed by Farming being a full time job. And he quit and will have nothing to do with the game anymore.

[undone plover]

Serra dont get baited by him

[fiery tundra]

[little tapir]

serra is a mod for all your favourite gacha cc I think

[fiery tundra]

I like Chewing the Bait and the Hook though

Good Levels of Iron

[limpid yarrow]

Tectone didn’t even know anything about the game hommie he was just farming viewers and content like YouTubers do

[glacial notch]

I like the sliding goalposts

[fiery tundra]

Yet Brax and Teccy both Quit because of the horrible Daily Farm of this game. Directly tied to the Difficulty of Farming Stages.

[limpid yarrow]

Cleary coz that’s exactly what you’re trying to do to the game

[fiery tundra]

And Idle Game Marketted as a PvP Gacha that Doesn't let you Idle or PvP because the Farming is so poor..

[little tapir]

why is there no leaks in this game guys?

[undone plover]

Spamming kekw emojis doesnt make your points better or funnier

[little tapir]

no test server?

[limpid yarrow]

Coming from games like star rail of course

[glacial notch]

what, asking for an adjustment to the hardest god damn PvE farming floor?

I think this is the first serious nerf to PvE I've ever asked for lmao

[limpid yarrow]

No it’s just the irony of everything you say

[fiery tundra]

Pretty sure they do it all in house.

[undone plover]

What's wrong with a game which clearly higher production wisw

[glacial notch]

I fucking defended other content when people were raging about it LMAO but I saw how it burned out so many of my friends who were normally content with grinding and stuff and realized it's just not maintainable

[limpid yarrow]

Convinced you never played gatcha games before

[glacial notch]

And then the Revelation nerfs due to Rengo being 2x as hard as Hoyan so people couldn't farm counters to it was even more icing on the cake

[glacial notch]

8 years in SW btw

[fiery tundra]

20x as hard.*

[undone plover]

I knew you are that kind of person

I Hope you Play some good games in the future

[limpid yarrow]

So why are you surprised about the eternal grind?

[fiery tundra]

Then Again Hoyan got nerfed so it might be 100x harder then Hoyan at this point

[glacial notch]

I don't care about the days I spend grinding but the time it takes to grind for very little return on investment for Rengo is not ideal in the slightest

[fervent salmon]

why are yall arguing with a 1 day old account?

[glacial notch]

idk I'm being ragebaited extremely hard

[fiery tundra]

The Grind is still there even if they nerf bro by 500%

[limpid yarrow]

I think a better solution instead of “widening the goal posts” would be a shell crafting system

[fiery tundra]

Boredom because RTA Sucks right now

[glacial notch]

I mean I think both would be nice? I don't think Rengo should take nearly as long for safe consistent clears but also some form of pity/crafting for materials you recycle out of a dungeon would be nice too

[fervent salmon]

Rta is why im here lmao, my match has been going on 14 minutes now

[limpid yarrow]

So meet in the middle? New charecters that are good in rengo and a shell crafting system somewhere in the near future

[fiery tundra]

Yeah I don't have enough Bloodbath built

Hot Take we Don't need Shell Crafting.

[fervent salmon]

just have it on auto waiting for my lingluo to kill his lily

[fiery tundra]

Just Nerf the Dungeons so they easier quicker to farm

[inland quest]

do people actually still struggle rengo? or its just doomposting atp ?

[glacial notch]

Its just really goofy that you can spend 10+ hours doing all 1200+ energy a day and end up with nothing worth a shit.

If that took like 1/3 the time then its something you do while working or doing something else and then it's all good who cares go next

[fiery tundra]

People still struggle on Hell IV so yes people still are miserable in Rengo

[scenic bloom]

Damn
An actually in touch player in the cord

[glacial notch]

Not personally - but it is very apparent it's just harder and more time consuming than other shell dungeons

[blissful hedge]

It's been two months and people can't 10/10 that stupid boss under a min

It should be easier

[glacial notch]

no reason to be so, and without premium LDs good luck with speeds yeah

[fiery tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

The Etheria Restart World if the Devs would get their Heads out their Bums and Nerf Inferno Stages.

[scenic bloom]

Ah yes
I found the pro gamer

[glacial notch]

I just find it stupid that you have a core shell for countering rev (LH) and a core shell for CC (codex) locked behind content much harder than other dungeons lmao

So revelation looked fuckin stupid and got nerfed because no one could counter it lmao

[limpid yarrow]

See the thing you guys don’t realise is you really don’t know what you want. The reality is, if they nerf rengo they just nerf the drops and then make a higher difficulty

[blissful hedge]

U have been saying this since day one 🤣

[fiery tundra]

YEP

I will keep saying it until the Do it.

Or I quit

[glacial notch]

what man now you're sliding the goalposts again

[fiery tundra]

I almost Quit today.

[inland quest]

theres abyss difficulty last time in dreamscape already soo...

[limpid yarrow]

Not even?

[fiery tundra]

The Rengo "Solution" Being units and not a Direct Nerf was so dumb.

[glacial notch]

this sounds like conspiracy posting about the niconana nerfs now where people say they shadow nerfed drops lmao

[blissful hedge]

Nah u are deep in the marathon 🤣

[fiery tundra]

The Drops are Already Shit so they wouldn't nerf them dumdum.

[limpid yarrow]

After Nico nerf drops went to ass

[fiery tundra]

They didn't

[glacial notch]

I never really noticed a change

[fiery tundra]

[inland quest]

so the consequence of nerfing is reduced drop rates?

[fiery tundra]

No

[glacial notch]

I've had a lot of runs still end up with 7-8 reds lol

[fiery tundra]

This person is spreading Misinfo

I see why he got banned on his alt.

[limpid yarrow]

I’ll be clear I’ll report any insult no matter how trivial I’ve kept it respectful enough

[fiery tundra]

[blissful hedge]

Agreed

[sudden elk]

[inland quest]

🍿

[limpid yarrow]

You know someone’s losing an argument when they start looking for petty insults

[inland quest]

agreed

[sudden elk]

is this ragebait chat

[fiery tundra]

You lied about Drops getting nerfed.

[glacial notch]

Absolutely

[fiery tundra]

Having to lie and spread misinformation about the Drop Rates of the game makes me think you are uneducated or a bad faith actor or both.

[limpid yarrow]

There’s no way to prove if it’s true or not but I see what I see

[glacial notch]

but some of us are too stupid to just disengage (me)

[sudden elk]

i think the earth is flat too

looks pretty flat to me

[fiery tundra]

There is because any nerf or changes to the drop rates have been announced or posted.

Like getting 1 mythic every 5 runs.

and the change to Dreambaa.

[patent portal]

People like their conspiracy let them have it

Nothing we can do about it

Jk

[limpid yarrow]

[fiery tundra]

At this point im convinced bro doesn't play if he thinks any of the nerfs came with a nerf to drop rates.

[sudden elk]

who needs rengo nerfs

just use liliam

give drop rate buff pls

im like 30k deep into niconana without a rahu or diting shell

[limpid yarrow]

Nah I just pretend to play tbh

[sudden elk]

post the guild

[fervent salmon]

Rta rank?

[sudden elk]

let us judge you

[glacial notch]

issue I've brought up is the fact that solving the problem with premium SSR banners means that if you miss em you're cooked

I want to eventually try and see if my friends will play again but if they get stuck on bullshit cause didn't play for these 'rengo killers' they'd probably just quit again

[limpid yarrow]

I’m not doing anything that’ll expose my in game account on this server

[sudden elk]

what are u scared of

do people send hitmen

after u

or what

[glacial notch]

wait yeah wtf hiding on discord lmao

post or silver

[neon idol]

[limpid yarrow]

I have no problem letting you guys guess

[glacial notch]

I don't mind being wrong I flamed some mythic guy until he posted his once lmao but until you post you're silver now

[limpid yarrow]

I’m so okay with that

[sudden elk]

whats wrong with that

im silver

whatre u tryna say

[glacial notch]

how do I put this nicely....

[sudden elk]

syz was right about you

[glacial notch]

wait ur my fucking guildmate

man wtf lmao

[sudden elk]

no im not

im in komo

[glacial notch]

oh ur in the chat though

[sudden elk]

i visit

[glacial notch]

wtf are u sure

[sudden elk]

i wouldnt want to be in ur shitty guild

komo on top

[patent portal]

He’s Kyth

[glacial notch]

Open his profile and see if it's private

If not expose deets

[sudden elk]

wrong tag right

[patent portal]

It’s private

[limpid yarrow]

Nah wrong server

[sudden elk]

hes may luck grace you again

[glacial notch]

wtf we're decent...

[sudden elk]

nah you inted 15 hits into one guy today

[wise relic]

Already a leak....girl be shielder and dps support while the boi is dps unit

[glacial notch]

wait did we really

LOLLLLLL

[sudden elk]

yeah blame ent

[patent portal]

Nah that’s him

[glacial notch]

I'm fucking dead bro I can't believe it got to 15

[little tapir]

where?

[neon idol]

c said it

[sudden elk]

miyu told people to have fun cause full clear

[neon idol]

not really a leak tho

[limpid yarrow]

Poor kyth gonna get flamed for me

[wise relic]

Look up C chat log

[sudden elk]

wait youre not server 1?

oh hes silver for sure

[little tapir]

diff frame, diff title . what are you on about

[patent portal]

Sigh

[glacial notch]

is losing fun to my guild mates

[limpid yarrow]

Sure

[glacial notch]

smh

[sudden elk]

yeah thats why im in komo

[glacial notch]

wtf is a komo anyways

I do not know guilds

are y'all higher up

[sudden elk]

yeah #1 guild

in guild exp

[glacial notch]

wtf lmao

[undone plover]

Whoah what a flex

[glacial notch]

what the hell is guild XP anyways

[sudden elk]

you wouldnt get it

[undone plover]

IT matters

[glacial notch]

is that the stuff that gets the rewards from the union quests lol

[undone plover]

Of course i dont get IT because i dont hold attificial value to some funny rankings in mobile games

[sudden elk]

damn thats so sigma of you

[undone plover]

Thank you dude

I Hope you have a great day

[patent portal]

lol

[fiery tundra]

Welp he isn't on the Top 100 For Embertrek even though bro said he was...

So he lied again

[glacial notch]

relax he's silver give him a break

[limpid yarrow]

Different server hommie

[fiery tundra]

I thought so too but the numbers don't match up

[glacial notch]

he'll figure it out eventually

[undone plover]

People like to brag a lot about some attificial things to feel better about themselves

[patent portal]

I’m bad at the games lol

[sudden elk]

is this on your sigma grindset course on tiktok

[wise relic]

As silver dweller we are offended have him in our rank for not supporting our agenda

[sudden elk]

im silver

theres nothing wrong with that

[fiery tundra]

The numbers after his Name is 403? and it doesn't match with Kyth

[limpid yarrow]

[glacial notch]

[sudden elk]

why did your pfp just change

from the guy to liliam

[fiery tundra]

[sudden elk]

so did your tag

[limpid yarrow]

Because that’s what it was when I cleared it ages ago

[sudden elk]

3~4 days ago was ages ago?

we can see the clear date

[limpid yarrow]

Yeh?

Bro y’all hate this

[fiery tundra]

[patent portal]

It doesn’t really matter

[fiery tundra]

GJ

[patent portal]

What opinion are we discussing about anyway

[limpid yarrow]

No of course it doesn’t now it’s proven but it did before

[fiery tundra]

Bro thinks Rengo Doesn't need a Nerf.

[patent portal]

Oh

Hmm mm

[glacial notch]

It degraded quickly into nonsense

[patent portal]

It can be tune to be better, but it’s still doable

So what exactly is the goal

[fiery tundra]

Better Play Experience for the most Players

[patent portal]

Hmm

[limpid yarrow]

My point was people are only mad they release characters specific to rengo because they used all their summons on summon event bait

[fiery tundra]

Game Longevity and Getting more Player.

[glacial notch]

my goal is to have it so safe consistent clears without premium SSRs are roughly 2:30-3:30 not the 5+ minutes they are now

Reduces time spent farming and makes it reasonably accessible so they stop nerfing cleave cause people can't counter it lmao

[patent portal]

That’s not a good point though

[sudden elk]

i was the first to clear ember trek

[fiery tundra]

Ive been Mad at Inferno Causing friends to quit since Day 1.

[undone plover]

You are really good at paying money

[sudden elk]

thank you

its the money i didnt spend on your tiktok course

[fiery tundra]

The Releasing units to Counter Rengo was just the biggest slap in the face. and they would have been better off saying nothing (Specifically Point 7 The Rest was good/fine)

[limpid yarrow]

Game is farthest thing from pay 2 win

[patent portal]

I’m really good at paying, but I’m bad at playing

[glacial notch]

[patent portal]

Oh that swipe went hard first two months

I stop after realizing it’s not helping

[limpid yarrow]

Facts same bro

[patent portal]

I still buy all the lattice packs though cause maxing give me dopamine

Which is fine

[glacial notch]

I finally pulled all the base units so I basically don't have to spend much anymore except maybe lattices

which is cool

[patent portal]

Yeah lol

It’s lowkey cheap in relative terms
To other games

[limpid yarrow]

I have 110 apex and 200 purple summons so I’m big chilled

[patent portal]

But lattice pack is definitely a luxury for people

I wanted LILIAM dupes so I spent all my apex

[glacial notch]

Meanwhile my guild mates pulling for C5 LDs and I'm like

[patent portal]

I’m still doing apex pulls single F2P gives

[limpid yarrow]

I was really considering it tbf

[patent portal]

She’s going to be core anti CC DPS

[limpid yarrow]

I think my gear decent enough that I’m not too desperate for dupes

But things might change

[patent portal]

Yeah dupes are luxury

I just suck at the game I want all the dmg amps

😔😔😔

Trying hard now after3 months

Need to make a real quality sets

People not realizing modulesshells > lattices

[limpid yarrow]

I’ve been really lucky with my rengo and Hoyan shells so my sets are looking really good

[patent portal]

The crafting system going to save me

If it requires whaling I guess I m about to whale again

[limpid yarrow]

It won’t it’s a straight copy of epic sevens forge your gear so it’ll be based off daily logins

[patent portal]

But since they introduce it as event it’s likely gonna be accessible for F2P

[patent portal]

It’s a once a month event

[limpid yarrow]

Each day you get to allocate a stat until the piece is maxed

Over the course of a week I’d say

[patent portal]

So you get one god gear per month

Better than 0

[limpid yarrow]

Yes

Just don’t waste it on left side gear

[patent portal]

Likely p2w might be 2-3

[limpid yarrow]

Something like this would be really toxic to put behind a pay wall so don’t get your back up yet

[sudden elk]

you can just say juice

[limpid yarrow]

It looks identical to epic sevens so I’d assume it’ll function the same and there’s no money involved

[sudden elk]

the riot thatd ensue

if it was p2w

[limpid yarrow]

Go watch a yt vid of epic sevens ”forge your epic gear” it’s identical

They can’t make it p2w in a PvP environment

[glacial notch]

Multiple people man it's crazy out here

[sudden elk]

whos your fav guild mate

[limpid yarrow]

I think the devs know that

[glacial notch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[sudden elk]

is it jon

i hear that guy is really cool

[glacial notch]

out here posting my messages out of context

[sudden elk]

?

wdym

post where

[glacial notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295552034610741249/1318394867831017502/dr-manhattan.gif

[patent portal]

summoner wars dev team want to say hello lol

[scenic bloom]

They can if no one is playing the pvp

[high surge]

create the problem, sell the solution. scummy tactic

[solid heath]

Game is dying so they are now sinking the ship trying to cash out as much as possible from whales by selling the solution

[gentle zealot]

If its double ssr banner

they lied in hypertalk

[wise relic]

Its double ssr banner....i mean you see the post right?

[solid heath]

They dident reveal niel the same way so

And they said they wanna hit 100 units asap

[gentle zealot]

its written nowhere its double ssr or sr and ssr

[wise relic]

They reveal 2 new unit image....is that not enough?

[gentle zealot]

yes also they said they wont release more than 1 banner every 3 weeks

so if they do that after giving us event with 300 summons

imagine burning your summon and kept only 80 summons cause its was supposed to be only 1 banner every 3 weeks

[tiny vale]

its been double SSR banner since Holden/Hoyan

their plan seems to be just add 2 RGBs and then 1 LD every 3 weeks

not sure if once we hit 100 units will we go to 1 new and 1 rerun? would be nice i guess for those who're missing characters

[gentle zealot]

they said there will be only 1 banner every 3 weeks

1 month ago

so this is not possible

except they put both rgb in same banner

[tiny vale]

don't give them that idea please!

[gentle zealot]

which is cringe but what they said

[neon idol]

So they lied

From a certain pov

[buoyant mango]

No its not

[wise relic]

Pull is. Not problem....i recover after doing 200 pull.

From 3k gem into 160 pull total for rgb banner

[vast creek]

I meaaan, if you went to 300 summons as a non-whale/non-newbie, that's on you lmao

But honestly, one of this game's strengths is how easy it is to get RGB pulls

So selling "fixes" that aren't LD isn't that big of an issue

[gentle zealot]

gacha is how well you manage your ressources

they said this

so why wouldn't summon all my summons until I have enough for 1 pity ^^

[vast creek]

Yeah but like, they haven't stabilized yet

[gentle zealot]

they literally said we're stabilizing

its present right

[vast creek]

We haven't had a solo RGB banner yet though (Freya doesn't count)

Once they finally do that would be 'stabilized' I think

[gentle zealot]

??

obviously

this hypertalk was made right before nahor and fuqiu banner

[vast creek]

Also, that doesn't mean present. Pretty sure in English clash that was "present-future" tense or some bullshit

Communicationi issue as always

We are stabilizing at = When we stabilize, it will be at

[gentle zealot]

that make no sense what you are saying

[young belfry]

Yea, I was also strongly under the impression we'd be getting one banner every 3 weeks

It's just more communication dumpster fires. They're never going to stop

[jolly yarrow]

You guys complain too much, ninfo helps clear rengo. Devs cooked, but this mod event is trash.

[onyx anchor]

Rengo still needs nerfed.

Thanks

[tall vapor]

so basically a lily team

[prisma path]

Yep pretty much hahah

Unironically

[tall vapor]

tried to cook cachi with ninfo didnt work

[prisma path]

Oh?

[tall vapor]

doki could work but i aint 515ing her imma save for next L unit

[prisma path]

Nice

[tall vapor]

both team i tested punish people too hard for losing to 10%

[topaz saddle]

If you have lily you could've easily cleared it with red cachi

[prisma path]

Oh my!

MIZUKI SHELL

[topaz saddle]

And if you don't have lily good luck killing rengo with only the new unit

[prisma path]

yayyy

[prisma path]

Ah I see

I didnt build him

[topaz saddle]

Yeah he was the missing piece I needed

[prisma path]

Cachi always the goat

[topaz saddle]

A lot cheaper to build than a new ssr

[topaz saddle]

The red and dark ones are goated

[prisma path]

I know right

[tall vapor]

i am lol i was trying to cook with ninfo outside doki

shes a g reat doki 3 star unit for me though

[topaz saddle]

That's fair, I can already clear everything in 45-50 seconds so I wanted a really good PvP unit

She is not amazing if you don't want to invest in her S1 for the speed

[tall vapor]

aint no way im vesting info ninfo for a cleave team without lily

[topaz saddle]

Yeah she is just too slow and the shield is microscopic

[prisma path]

rip

[tall vapor]

micro shield are "fine" if you can only stack them on top of each other

like how artisan works

[prisma path]

not true actually

i think when shes 3rd dupe

the shield is better than val

and triple hp bonus

really shines

[topaz saddle]

Yeah maybe with p5 and fully maxed her shield can reach 12k

[finite wadi]

3rd dupe

[prisma path]

not p5

[tall vapor]

10% of 15k shield yeah uh no lmao

[prisma path]

but 3rd dupe is enough

but i have 0 dupes on her

and she does wonders alr

1-1-4 lattice

[winged basin]

I have maxed ninfo and let me tell you that 13k shield drops from 1 sneeze

[topaz saddle]

She sucks outside of speed farm team and she isn't necessary even in them

[tall vapor]

valid opinion

[winged basin]

That's why i treat her as atk buffer because there no way to make her shield last at least 1 turn

[prisma path]

well no thats why codex no?

[prisma path]

oh yeah i know i watch the runs obv

the only times i lose the runs is when def break kloss doesnt apply

its not 100 fully for me

i go 8-2 9-1 rarely

[prisma path]

she is an atk buffer for sure

[scenic bloom]

Some sorcery going on here
This is my team, and im losing 99% of the time

[winged basin]

U used codex it droped from 1 sneeze again and now u have nothing so if u want to use her as sustain nothing gonna help you because of how low her base hp is, and its as low as Velarian one because she has atk buff

[prisma path]

i can post build for u to compare?

[prisma path]

yeah 100%

[scenic bloom]

Yes pls

[prisma path]

i mean i still like to invest on her because i still dont have a good doki fast run

and i have no other good blue units other than lingluo viper

and full kraken

[winged basin]

I rat ta ta her

So switching to messiah oneshot build will make it only slower

[prisma path]

I know because I have a member in my Union who has a really good built Rahu

And got one shot

By Massiah Ninfoniel combo

Its nasty

[winged basin]

For me any bruiser that has not 50k hp on bloodbath

Is food

[scenic bloom]

Man, imagine having a momentum white fang

[prisma path]

Yeah and we might even see a bb nerf unironically cause of the complaints

[prisma path]

rippp

niconana mines

[winged basin]

I wonder how many people complain about me bullying all bruisers

[scenic bloom]

I've been there for so long

[prisma path]

yeah i like to think massiah with any shell? count/wfang/reve really good into def scalers and yeli into hp scalers with rev. but i know golden lion has seen some play in my guild for union boss vs reve

idk if golden lion would do wonders for rta though

[prisma path]

it doesnt provide the insane cleave

true damage

like reve does

[winged basin]

Poor people thinking that they can tank my messiah

[finite wadi]

You want one of mine?

[winged basin]

Lion for cleaveres do nothing

Since he need time to stack which cleaver don't have

[prisma path]

for sure

for viper it seems nice but he gets 1 tapped cause that has no bb set

so i dont believe the golden lion viper furyedge yet

[winged basin]

Def scales hp scalers wtv, if its Liliam with law and bloodbath but 20k hp she get deleted

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-eyes-crying-face-gif-22671690

[prisma path]

yep

man i cant wait for czn launch rewards xd

[winged basin]

Also every time people ask me how i oneshot them with bloodbath I show them this

[finite wadi]

They force BB on that though

It's sad that Mass gotta be p5 to become a real unit

[winged basin]

12 bloodbath 6 furyedge 6 keeneye

[finite wadi]

Dupes matter and skillups matter, best system of all time

[prisma path]

ohh

i see

then yeah it makes sense

[winged basin]

He can be a real unit without all that but not vs Bloodbath

[prisma path]

yeah

i see

yeah i dont like how bruisers dont need full lattice to fully function and stuff

but dps massiah needs like almost everything to compete against them

[empty cloud]

??

[winged basin]

Bruisers can just pre ban Messiah and pick Yeli to never see a cleaver in their life at all

[empty cloud]

Apart Tiamat, every bruisers without lattices are chips

[prisma path]

i see

[empty cloud]

And even fully lattice they're chips as well

[prisma path]

arent we also getting a new ld bruiser

or smt

[winged basin]

No one knows

[prisma path]

hold up

[finite wadi]

Rahu seems fine without skillups

Holden and B*rgne though...

[prisma path]

like i saw this

[peak ruin]

Wasn't that disproven?

[prisma path]

is that so? i didnt know but i just remembered seeing this

[peak ruin]

Came up before Liliam release

[prisma path]

right

maybe they moved up the sched on him idk

5 years in the making after all

surely

[peak ruin]

Surely can heal team to allow guy runs /cope

[finite wadi]

He's unambiguously fake

[prisma path]

ah

it looks like he fits in tho

the art at least text and shell but idk anymore

[finite wadi]

Someone posted all the units currently referenced in the game files to reddit I think