Our Rengo nerf is here! Wait its just a new banner....

[silk mist]

Pull to win I guess, surely they wont need to be fully latticed right - not to mention they reccomend you use them with lilliam

[teal dagger]

their fix is to pull new unit to clear rengo instead of fixing that rngfest of a fight LMAO

[eager gate]

honestly

i think its fine

they make more money

and its not like we don't get alot of free pulls

if rengo is how they want to make money

[trail peak]

only etheria community can riot over standard gacha practice.
I'll crash out if the mfs need 5/5/5 tho

[eager gate]

rather than introducing insane powercreep rta units

that are must pull

[snow lake]

Oh, the use with lilliam was icing on the cake.

[eager gate]

i think its fine

[young cape]

toastymellos has been warned

Reason: Spam

[snow lake]

Hopefully though the new characters don't require many lattices

[eager gate]

right..

[eager gate]

ok

this

is probably the most important thing

if u pull the character

and have the rest of the tools

[trail peak]

You're gonna get warned again toasty

[eager gate]

u should just be able to clear rengo for free

[eager gate]

nmothing new

💀

[fiery tundra]

Nah Inferno is broken the only balanced inferno is NicoNana.

[snow lake]

^

Indeed, they haven't addressed the lattice income, their solution can hardly require many lattices

[trail peak]

the
bot
hates
you
talking
likie
this

[snow lake]

Also, when are we getting banners for already released characters!?

[grizzled furnace]

What about the large part of the community who already clears rengo and couldnt give less of a shit about units for it...? Specially given liliam by herself already trivializes it...?
Of course they might be useful in PvP as well, we will see, but I'm not hopeful given their wording

[trail peak]

Next wishbinder

[fast badger]

As long as they work without lattice its not a problem

[sly loom]

I'd assume if they are good in rngoku they'd be decent elsewhere as well

[silk mist]

all these pve units youll never get to pvp at least not with lattices

[sly loom]

And if not and you don't care for them you aren't forced to waste pulls on em

[silk mist]

rengo has such weird rng mechanics though so if they are over tailored they might not be, speculation of course

[young kite]

lily "ahh" lineage banner

[indigo harness]

Personally I dont want to hope for reruns anymore 😂

[trail peak]

I agree that it's overtuned and I want it all nerfed...but they're not budging on the difficulty. At the very least the banners are guaranteed so they'll just keep introducing more units to the point where inferno is a joke (then comes abyss lmao)

The Liliam shilling is insane though. 4/5/5 LD on the last 6 days? Brutal. Looks like Jack needs a new Yacht

I don't think any gacha I've played was so honest about it. Transparency

[light totem]

DID YOU FORGET LILIAM? THAT WILL DO MASSIVE DAMAGE IF PAIRED WITH THE NEWLY RELEASED CHARACTER?

[onyx anchor]

Create problem.
Sell solution.

Its bullshit.

[potent atlas]

is that

powercreep in disguise

[plush condor]

how is it sold when you can easily get it for free

[eager gate]

and in the same train of thought

how tf

is a gacha game to make money

[trail peak]

they forgot banners are guaranteed

[eager gate]

if u don't want to pull the characters lol

[onyx anchor]

pvp units for pvp gacha.

[light totem]

nerfing rengo❌
sell character✅

they could've easily done what they have done in the pass which is nerfing inferno

[glossy prism]

yea idk why they are so against nerfing rengo

[onyx anchor]

Also clearly hemoraging players to milk some whales is the superior choice.

[eager gate]

yea butyall also cry about powercreep

[glossy prism]

i mean i personally can clear it but i know most of the casuals cant or dont have the stats to pull it off

[eager gate]

and also cry when characters arent strong enopugh

soooooooo

what do we want

LOL

[onyx anchor]

Balance

thats what

[young belfry]

It is possible to do a shit job in both directions you know

[glossy prism]

but we need the people to say that

[onyx anchor]

you talkin 0 and 100 as if 50 doesnt exist

[glossy prism]

dev dont know what to do

[eager gate]

balance doesnt make money

[glossy prism]

[young belfry]

White knights always find a way

[onyx anchor]

nor does lack of it keep players which in return makes no money

[light totem]

they also says they wanna balance stuff so idk

[onyx anchor]

also acting like characters that just look badass or have badass animations or sex appeal dont sell, gtf outta here

[heady scarab]

I am gonna pull for that girl either way so it doesn't concern me

[glossy prism]

😂

[quick wagon]

If devs had some sliver of sense left they would give these anti-rengo units to all players

[heady scarab]

Ya give male one for free

[plush condor]

they are just save your pulls

[stiff glen]

they make the units to remove "unremovable" debuff

or if the new units is a super niche and just for rengo bot

[quick wagon]

The last thing you want from someone who you think wronged you is them fingers slithering up your pockets

[plush condor]

what is making you think you must pay?

[random sun]

I mean I’d have more of a problem with this if f2pish teams didn’t already exist/this was a light/dark unit

But also understand Liam has been the solution to Rengo aswell (new 40 second team$

[plush condor]

it is guaranteed at 80 pulls which you will literally get within the span of time the banner is up

[stiff glen]

the pulling is fine, the lattice requirements is what concerns most people

[random sun]

I’m at 72 summons after maxing the last event, got some decent from the last two events

• we are about to have dreamscape again so f2p can go for the summon box

[quick wagon]

The wishbinder event that they run couple days ago must have used up summons for many players

[plush condor]

yes, even i spent 100 f2p summons

im already at 32

i will have enough for these characters

[random sun]

You need lattices in everything any way, that’s more of an issue with the whole system rather than an issue with this update, I feel like them releasing a unit that will make all of pve easier is a good thing, and it’s better for new players since we might be able to tell them to grab it as a go all for pve

[glossy prism]

we should get a new ember before they leave too

[potent atlas]

21 days

[quick wagon]

I'm at 70+ myself. But I'm not arguing objective truths. The playerbase is on edge and very emotional. You dont make anyone crying calm down by throwing facts at them

[potent atlas]

[plush condor]

then there isn't really anything to talk about

throw some spaghetti at the wall and see if it sticks

[random sun]

But it’s a small part of the pop that’s screaming and crying, most see that whole post as a massive W, people just like latching onto the worst part

[potent atlas]

they love drama

[light totem]

so there is a problem

[random sun]

Like no one’s saying anything about the gear crafting… the better loot, the auto clear normal mode nothing

[light totem]

[quick wagon]

Well, unless you wanna read disertations and novels this is how things go in the internet

[steady osprey]

Ok, we can get 80 pulls to get the new units, but what about the players who will lost this banner?

[unkempt creek]

Those supposed to be week 2 patch lol , it’s like almost 3 months what do you expect?

[plush condor]

will lost?

[unkempt creek]

Then they only allow crafting at one even once a month and sell up exclusive currency

[steady osprey]

the banner ins't forever

[random sun]

Maybe I’m a tad more relistic about the company who’s gimping the spending options on purpose to make f2p happy.

😂😂 also idk what gatcha game has ever released perfectly

[fresh canyon]

I think he means ppl that start after

[onyx anchor]

The once a month crafting gear (likely 1 piece/month if like other games) and still have to clear ethernet rally as a time sink...

Are some of the improvements nice? sure. But this is all SOOOOOOOOOOO slow moving compared to how quickly other gacha games move. This stuff is small considering how long the game has been out IMO.

[stiff glen]

they're hinting this 2 units and maybe the next LD to be meta changing so they're a must pull

[glossy prism]

cause no one carea bout that if you dont get what people want addressed

[potent atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-marty-afro-circus-circus-afro-gif-8453561314315024643

[glossy prism]

they instead of nerfing a mode "fixed it" by selling new units

thats what game do to answer pvp metas not fix pve!

[onyx anchor]

This 100% is the problem. They moving at a snails pace then doing minor changes.

[unkempt creek]

You don’t need to be perfect but listen releasing new banner to solve rengo is just a joke IMO , auto clear ember track normal, that a very easy solution and they took 3 months

[unkempt creek]

Yes slow af, I don’t get it and still we need to wait till next Tuesday for the patch

[random sun]

The once a month crafting is ripped from Sw event and it’s most like 3 every 6 months,

Also the second part is so not true, even wuwa probably the best example of a game giving in to the players wants took 6 months for it to all be “acceptable”

[unkempt creek]

Can’t they work in parallel

[onyx anchor]

And we still have to manual clear ethernet rally 💀

[unkempt creek]

Yes , and click 100X times

[random sun]

No other game has an auto clear function on their tower, so idk why you’d expect it here, you only need to do 2 fights a day to clear it in the month

[glossy prism]

its also ripped from the e7 crafting event

[random sun]

Like I feel like you guys are complaining about the most minute issues

[light totem]

cuz it took less time to clear in that game?

[young belfry]

And load up 100 battles just to one shot trash enemies. The most braindead, pointless bull shit I've ever seen

[random sun]

Real issues are like the double charging spenders stuff like that

[young belfry]

Tbf the entire announcement is minute

[unkempt creek]

That’s what I mean I don’t mind the content being hard , but those brain dead game play go in one shot those , why am I wasting 20 seconds to watch animation

[onyx anchor]

Three months for this!?

[glossy prism]

the most important things people wanted addressed was, bloodbath being too overpowered now, rta is just a bruiser joke with 10 minute matches, rengo nerf, and fixing economy/making grinding easy

instead we got, we will look into it, listen to feedback, and we can sell you a new unit to beat rengo

[random sun]

Not saying I don’t want more in it, but nothing in it is bad

[deft wing]

A banner doesn’t fix Rengo when a banner only lasts a few weeks

[random sun]

Rengo isn’t an issue, there are about 15 teams that can do it, and I’m running the f2p team myself

It was at one point

[glossy prism]

oh people can beat it

[random sun]

And I think it should be easier

[glossy prism]

i can 40 second clear it

[plush condor]

but.......

[random sun]

But it’s not such a big issue that it’s game killing

[glossy prism]

but its not that easy for casual players

[random sun]

And adding more chars is a great solution

[glossy prism]

like my gear for it is probably what a casual player would have in 3-4 months

[young belfry]

Sure, but that's like saying you got a plate of random food that's all edible when people were expecting a meal. Just a massive miss

[onyx anchor]

No but its just one of many issues that stack up and the fact that they are selling the solution instead of implementing the proper solution is just a kick in t he teeth

[random sun]

I want more options anyway (feel like this game should have launched with 15+ more SSR (and more SRs)

[plush condor]

maybe an easy solution to this problem would be adding guides in game for bosses

[glossy prism]

and thats not the greatest look, especially when their idea of a fix is to sell a new unit

[plush condor]

or linking created guides by youtubers

[young belfry]

I think most don't really care for units bc we can't build them 🤷‍♂️

In a different game, for sure, but this one? I don't think it really matters

[light totem]

if the fix was toward PvP, i wouldn't care much
its like adding new character to the pool so you can play em

[random sun]

I already have every ssr level 50 maxed, most really do not require lattices for pve

Only need to max level tia who I got yesterday

[glossy prism]

yea but you should be selling a unit to fix a pvp meta, not fix a pve farming thingy that should be easy grinding

[plush condor]

some of my favorite pve characters are 111

[young belfry]

I think most of the day 1 players are done with PVE. Experience still sucks for new players tho

[narrow karma]

The real rengoku nerf was the people they chase away by selling units to fix their problem

[quick wagon]

I agree it sets a bad precedence

[random sun]

But it is easy, I have 3 SR units and the f2p running it, none are even on Bloodbath

Only req was farming hoyan first

[glossy prism]

thats not the point man

how fast is that run

[plush condor]

i completely agree. people just ignore the info

[random sun]

2mins 40

[quick wagon]

Good for you, but for the players who quit, they could have been playing RTA right now instead of the same old faces i face everyday

[glossy prism]

and there is your answer

this is supposed to be a grind yes

but pve isnt supposed to be a chore

in a pvp game

[random sun]

Those players were gonna quit anyway, realistically we were gonna lose 70% of the players no matter how well the game was

[light totem]

but i want to play 5hrs a day man

[glossy prism]

LOL

[quick wagon]

You keep saying this to yourself, im about to quit as well

[random sun]

Even summons war or e7 only has a small player base

And most double up across them

[light totem]

who doesnt want to play 5hrs a day

[random sun]

There’s only so many RTA pvp gatcha players and there more games than players

[quick wagon]

Those who are gonna quit anyway already quit in the first month

We are bleeding the players who are supposed to be staying

[glossy prism]

look i play all the time cause i like the game

[plush condor]

do you know these players?

[glossy prism]

but even i know the stupiditiy of selling a pve unit when the boss itself is too overtuned

thats just dumb

[random sun]

Yes we are but the people who like pvp games are still here and we haven’t even touched the actually mobile playing community

[glossy prism]

and i played e7 and was emperor over there

[light totem]

ask every union that question

[random sun]

Cause remember westerners only account for 30% of the mobile player base

[quick wagon]

Xiao?

[plush condor]

my union has 30 active players

[quick wagon]

Nohe?

[narrow karma]

I am a biggest fool why do I still play the game

[quaint token]

Ur a masochist

[plush condor]

damn, that sucks

[quick wagon]

Just last week my previous guild merged into one

[glossy prism]

i run my own guild

lol

[plush condor]

same

[onyx anchor]

my guild is also virtually dead

[glossy prism]

and i havent had too much of a problem

[narrow karma]

I was trained from day 1

[random sun]

Yea I know them too @quick wagon,

but understand we will gain probably 4x-5x more players on global release and that’s where these games shine, so they have another 3 months to fix these issues before their actually spenders start playing

[light totem]

losing union member and replacing them has been the trend for the pass month lol

[glossy prism]

ye

[quaint token]

Dang good human good

[glossy prism]

but thats in every game tbf

[light totem]

until only hardcore player being the only one left

[quaint token]

Global release so it was beta test still u mean

[onyx anchor]

considering how little they changed in these 3 months, 3 more months isnt gunna do shit.

[light totem]

but i though we are the global release lol

[steady osprey]

[random sun]

Yea I would assume we count as the pre-release

[glossy prism]

[light totem]

[glossy prism]

i mean its only release once it releases on cn and jp

[quick wagon]

I hope for the game to succeed as well 🫡

[light totem]

we're still in beta

[glossy prism]

come on guys we know this

[quaint token]

It's funny how people now say wait for global release

[light totem]

server reset incoming

[random sun]

I mean our spending amount combined vs the top 10 Chinese players won’t even compare

[quick wagon]

If it succeeds then good, if not then I will be offering flowers and condolences

On the funeral

[random sun]

Idk I just hate doomposting so early, especially since so far I’m enjoying 90% of the game and that’s more than most mobile games

[plush condor]

whether we're happy or not if the game succeeds it's gonna get a big influx of new players while the game is in a better state

[light totem]

the percentage that i see this succeed in CN is low

[glossy prism]

sure

but the point is

[sturdy surge]

new units look cool, I will pull regardless. I am level 100 and can't clear rengo without spending loads more time on building out current units to do it. I might as well build new units I like with bonus of doing rengo clear. every other gacha creates a problem and releases new units that help solve the problem. don't know why everyone so up in arms about it. at least here, they give enough to summon every patch (just not enough to level).

[random sun]

Level 100 means nothing 😂

[glossy prism]

we shouldnt be releasing units to beat pve we should be releasing units to counter pvp

especially not this early in the game

[plush condor]

they're doing both

so what

[quick wagon]

Ok i didnt mean to act like im doomposting, the announcement in general is a step in the right direction. The banner for rengo part is just too out of touch not to highlight

[glossy prism]

i mean we dont know if the enw unit is good in pvp

im all for that

[random sun]

No had there been 20 more units (SR units) then we wouldn’t be having this issue, since there would be more f2p options

[glossy prism]

but they shouldnt be selling the "rengo nerf" as pay

[plush condor]

true, but there's been a good mix of pvp and pve characters

[random sun]

but the issue is the amount of solutions are to low so it feels harder to beat

[onyx anchor]

If they were moving faster in other areas then the rengo "solution" wouldn't be as bad as it is. but it is very tone deaf as is.

[unkempt creek]

Also they have no new pve content also

Lol

[glossy prism]

yea yea, but this is mroe of do i invest lattice in a or do invest lattice in b

[plush condor]

that's something you decide or get help deciding

[unkempt creek]

Like 3 months in and everything is still the same

[onyx anchor]

And they keep recycling bad events like "pick the winner" 💀

[random sun]

Haha dumbest opinion, you just complained you didn’t have enough time to beat the current stufff

[glossy prism]

yea thats point right

[silk mist]

more pve units means less resources and lattices to devout to pvp team building which especially feels bad since the meta did a 180 with the rev nerf

[unkempt creek]

[random sun]

Also most games have less pve than what this game released with

[unkempt creek]

It’s reli hard to talk with white knight

[random sun]

So why would you want more

[unkempt creek]

It’s fine you argue all you want

[glossy prism]

take aroura, my aroura time before lilliams buff was 2 minutes and now its 1 mintue, and i use lilliam everywhere thats a good investment. But if the unit we get is shit in pvp and only good in pve whats the point

[unkempt creek]

Imma just ignore you

[random sun]

No not white knighting cause I think the game does a ton wrong

[glossy prism]

sir you are 100% white knighting

[random sun]

You just have 0 consistency with any of your comments

[unkempt creek]

First of all you think rerunning the same thing for 3 months is good?

Use your brain and think for awhile

[quaint token]

Ok bro meet u at global release

The fact that u said global release already shows

[unkempt creek]

This is a whole new topic

Is not even having time or what

[random sun]

Hmm so which game has you run something different? I’m still running Giants in sw 11 years later

That game has 3 dungeons, (only released ancient runes 8 years into it)

[plush condor]

who said they're bad for pvp?

[unkempt creek]

It’s fine it’s fine as long you are happy

[glossy prism]

i ammend my statement, they shouldnt have worded the new units as pve killers

[light totem]

@final urchin can we have an update to the tierlist

[unkempt creek]

None of them matter

[glossy prism]

its more that than saying they only releasing a pve unit

[silk mist]

I didn't but they are cleary targeted at pve

[wise relic]

Ah you bet they do....do you are from future btw?

[silk mist]

"A new banner is coming that features a character specifically designed to help crush Rengo and other challenging PvE content. "

[glossy prism]

yea me dont like that wording

[vast creek]

Silver girl slaps though

[glossy prism]

smh

[final urchin]

Naaah i aint putting work in this tier list no moe, yall can use it tho

[glossy prism]

ill still be pulling

but i dont like the wording on that one bit

[unkempt creek]

So it’s a double odds banner?

[glossy prism]

we shall see

[unkempt creek]

Or they package it as blue but it’s actually fire

[glossy prism]

i mean odd does need more dps untis

[unkempt creek]

[light totem]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[unkempt creek]

Like how rahu is green

[silk mist]

if these characters do nothing for the blood bath meta im not interested

[unkempt creek]

But he actually look a lot more as red

[steady osprey]

The announcement ignored so many important things that no one remember this

[glossy prism]

i saw it

and i mvoed on

[unkempt creek]

Yeah

[glossy prism]

its good tho

ill take it

[plush condor]

i think the module forge is so good

[unkempt creek]

I hope it’s not p2w

Tbh

[glossy prism]

but not what i was looking for

[light totem]

take silence as people agreeing

[plush condor]

especially that you can lock substats on it

hell yeah

[glossy prism]

i wanted blloodbath nerfs man

i want my rta grind to not take 5 hours

[plush condor]

dont forget the part where they said stay tuned for the mid week patch notes

[unkempt creek]

I mean I agree with blood bath nerf , like even I have 555 on most of the bruiser . I feel not healthy for RTA

[silk mist]

this is good unless its say as grindy as shell rerolls, it has to prove itself to be relevant. lets not forget the most rewarrds ever event that was jsut gambling

[plush condor]

they did say they were considering heavily, midseason pvp balance

[glossy prism]

its so bad man, like its everywhere

and it jsut makes everything so long

[unkempt creek]

Liliam blood bath Lily bloodbath

[glossy prism]

lily tank

[unkempt creek]

Yeah

[glossy prism]

[unkempt creek]

I play lily bloodbath

You should try it, she dominate in this bruiser meta

[plush condor]

i say there is no problem running characters who have high base def or hp on bloodbath

[glossy prism]

Yea untill the match takes 10-15 minutes

[plush condor]

examples you wouldnt think of being, doki doki, kazuyo the rev, lily, tsukiyo, etc

[glossy prism]

[plush condor]

i didnt say the meta was good

they did say they were considering heavily, midseason pvp balance

[unkempt creek]

They did also mention they hope to stick on the plan

Haha

[steady osprey]

Balance for BB:
Reduce the damage received in x%
But reduce the damage dealed in y%

[unkempt creek]

So it’s like a 50 50

I don’t even think I can survive 2 more weeks

[plush condor]

stay tuned for the mid week patch notes

[unkempt creek]

Playing this game 3 months need a lot of determination

And sarcasm

[steady osprey]

I'll give a chance, because module forge

[plush condor]

genuinely please dont force yourself to play if you dont want

this is no job lol

[unkempt creek]

Im abit tooooo deeeeeeeeeep

I mean spending wise

[steady osprey]

i had this feeling in genshin, is something similar here

[unkempt creek]

And I still say mainly for my union

[limpid yarrow]

Awesome can’t wait! anyone crying… time to put your money where your mouth is. I got 2 pity’s ready to go don’t come complaining because you fell for an age old gatcha trick (summon event to bait out all your summons)

[unkempt creek]

It’s fun when you have a group of member to play with you actively

[plush condor]

dont be selfless in a gacha

you really become the product then

[unkempt creek]

True

[plush condor]

i dont hold emotional attachment to the game itself. only the strategy

and the funny voicelines kloss says

[glossy prism]

Tho from all of this if they give unique skins

People will spend

I did gloss over that

[unkempt creek]

Tbh this patch note is perfect like 2 weeks before and exclude Rengo part

[stone scarab]

We are getting a lot of free pulls.. This is not a problem..

[glacial notch]

what do you do if you make an acct after the banner and need to do rengo (in reasonable time)

selling an ssr to solve a problem isn't really solving the problem

esp since getting old ssrs is not guaranteed

[wise relic]

Yea...and its not like they. Make us a banner that can be select old ssr so people can complete ssr they missing too

[glacial notch]

issues then accumulate when you find yourself in awkward spots when there are multiple desirable SSRs you need:

• this new unit hypothetically does rengo well
• celince is the safest hoyan unit
• xiada is very good for aurora/doki
• kloss is a very very good doki/terror unit
• freya (altho new player banner? idk if forever) is very good in most content

add the 'super meta hard to replace pvp nat5s' too like holden and it's just not feasible even with selectors to guarantee SSRs to solve problems

[random crane]

just in the long run once we find a rly healthy meta

dont wanna risk shifting it too much

only when it feels right

[limpid yarrow]

Your acting like we haven’t been out here clearing rengo auto already. We get it you have no summons and are disgruntled but you’re completely ignoring the fact that there is a different way to do all the things you stated that’s already proven and works. Your next argument would probably shift into the “but it’s not good for the game overall” but for guys like me with 2 full pitys we would easily disagree. Suggestions are so subjective to everyone’s personal experience. No one cries when epic seven brings out limited units that sometimes never get reruns. That’s just the appeal. And if your so scared on missing out fork over some cash 💰

[glacial notch]

ah yes the 'its been done so surely it's fine' technique used by shadow sania players in the past

I can clear it fine. It's just a significantly bigger hassle to do without premium units than it should be for farming content.

[limpid yarrow]

“In the past” you know why? Because people went and figured out other ways

[limpid yarrow]

They said they are usable across a whole bunch of content

[glacial notch]

yeah turns out nerfing multiple pieces of content and releasing Yeli made things easier

[limpid yarrow]

So another argument debunked

[fiery tundra]

Rengo still needs a 10-30% Nerf. Aurora Also needs a 10-30% Nerf.

[glacial notch]

nah DW people do it with either premium LD SSRs or 5+ minute runs so surely it's all good

[limpid yarrow]

Honestly that’s subjective to you I have no problem with either and so many other players are the same

[glacial notch]

🙄

[fiery tundra]

if Rengo and Aurora Were not issues no one would have complained about Rev.

[glacial notch]

Cause most of the players who aren't hardcore coping or hardcore grinding at this point have quit

And yes, Serra is right - Rev was entirely an issue because Rengo (and Aurora) are significantly harder then Doki and Hoyan lmfao

[limpid yarrow]

Over time the roster of heroes grow and eventually power creep the content to the point it’s just a 1 shot but for now if you want the luxury of fast safe clears then yeh get the premium characters to have an edge THAT IS THE APEAL

[fiery tundra]

Throwing the Community a Bone in the Form of a Rengo/Aurora Nerf to SHOW THEY CARE AND ARE Listening would have been an Instant W

[glacial notch]

no other content needs premium SSRs for even 2-3m runs 🥴

[limpid yarrow]

Not the case at all

[fiery tundra]

How?

That one Point of the Dev Note caused 95% of the complaints.

[glacial notch]

The ultimate forbidden gatekeeping jutsu - I can do it so it's fine

[fiery tundra]

Because it was a slap in the Face.

[limpid yarrow]

Because the “community” isn’t just you, your arguing very subjective topics as if everyone is struggling as bad as you

[fiery tundra]

True It isn't just me.

[glacial notch]

Ah yes the community where a majority have quit due to complaints related to this issue

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

[fiery tundra]

Also I can clear it I just don't want to waste my Day farming it.

[limpid yarrow]

Your trippin’ the cope is that you get by thinking everyone quit

[random crane]

lets not fight

[glacial notch]

But hey keep gatekeeping and white knighting PvE content difficulty

[limpid yarrow]

And that your here to save the game

[random crane]

try and find common ground

[limpid yarrow]

But the truth is minority’s always have the loudest voices

[random crane]

it does happen 😆

[fiery tundra]

Having to rotate half your guild each week when that is the main joy you get from this game in the current state hurts man

[glacial notch]

in game channels are based on total concurrent player count, it's painfully obvious on global there's been a massive contraction of players overall

[fiery tundra]

Well its not half we only had to rotate 4 last week

[solid heath]

EoS confirmed

[glacial notch]

RTA has 10x less players in mythic due to not playing than before

Unions are falling apart left and right

Even discord losing members faster than gaining

[solid heath]

This announcement is honestly going to make more people quit

[glacial notch]

But yeah the game is fine people are surely sticking around

[limpid yarrow]

You guys need to figure out how other people are making their teams work and imitate like I said stop acting like there are players who aren’t already clearing everything your only gatekeeping yourselves

[fiery tundra]

Making Farming Easier. Does not hurt anyone. Keeping it hard Causes Pain to Players.

Bro thinks we ain't clearing

[limpid yarrow]

The only “hard” thing is rengo and it’s really not as hard as it is rng

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

Ah yes it's almost like people don't want to run 5-6 minute runs (a point of the announcement, the lack of respect for time) or want to pull premium SSRs specifically for this content (which is dumb as it's PvE content) instead of being able to use their other SSRs/SRs to have reasonably consistent 2-3m runs at least

[fiery tundra]

Easy Fix. Nerf Rengo and Aurora(Since BB is pretty "Needed" for Rengo)

[wise relic]

#1405797633108475924 help for push this up since the dev is adamant to not nerf inferno,atleast let people collect all their missing unit

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

The fact that the f2p Diting Sania vice team is 5+ minutes if not higher is not feasible in the slightest

[fiery tundra]

Name 1 Issue/negative effect Caused by Rengo and Aurora Nerfs?

[glacial notch]

No one wants to spend 9+ hours a day thinking about a phone game with otherwise limited stamina

[limpid yarrow]

Man it’s like no body here has touched a gatcha game before smh the strong arming that takes place from clearly f2p players is insane

[limpid yarrow]

Some people do and that’s the appeal

[quaint token]

So u say only 9 + hours people should play?

[glacial notch]

I'm not remotely close to f2p. I just think gate keeping pve content to either be a massive time sink or unit gated is for all intents and purposes absolutely dumb as bricks.

[limpid yarrow]

Subjective opinion

[wise relic]

Im my self already clear rengo but lot people dont....you know atleast with my feedback there will be less people complain about lacking unit

And if another complain i dont have X unit,we can just say go summon those unit on selector banner...not hard to understand

[quaint token]

I think we should just wait for the cn release for now

[glacial notch]

subjective that PvE farming content with no guaranteed rewards shouldn't take 9+ hours?

Lmao.

[limpid yarrow]

The problem is it’s an achievement to be able to clear rengo when not everyone can

[quaint token]

Let's gather more voice

[glacial notch]

You're out of your mind

[quaint token]

So they get more feedback

As promised

[glacial notch]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Ain't no way farming content is an achievement

[limpid yarrow]

No one’s taking 9+ hours to farm rengo homie

[wise relic]

Bro if its PvE i dont care,but rengo is important part of progression for PvP

[neon idol]

He just likes to feel hes better than everyone else clearing a farm content lol

Seriously man

[random crane]

pls >.< be nice

we can disagree without insult

[real cedar]

Also c

[random crane]

omg u stalk me

[quaint token]

Then release madnessloid

[random crane]

lol i wish rn

[neon idol]

#freemadnessloid

[glacial notch]

Bread or shotty one or the other idr would spend 10 hours farming this content a day, he said it on seanbs stream

[real cedar]

Can we like

Downgrade the prowess mats

That would be really

Cool

[fiery tundra]

There literally are CCs who take 9 hours to clear their stamina from rengo....

[random crane]

erm make a thread or die

[real cedar]

God damn it

[limpid yarrow]

Probably before he had geared his teams to do it faster this is probably going back to when most people were still on Nico

[glacial notch]

Also let's get back to the kicker of this - a shell dungeon you need to farm thousands of times is an achievement to farm????????

[random crane]

its 11:26 pm im not gna remember it

[fiery tundra]

The top of the top....

[random crane]

lol

im on my phone in the kitchen

[real cedar]

Alright I'm headed to bed then

[neon idol]

Apparently it is

[fiery tundra]

But what is the Downside to Nerfing Rengo? or any boss for that matter?

[random crane]

nightt

[neon idol]

[real cedar]

Hope to see u in rta DC tmrw morning though

[random crane]

ty for stickin around

[real cedar]

[random crane]

lol

will need 5 coffees

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

That mentality is absolutely cooked levels of gatekeeping LMFAOOO

It should NOT be an achievement to be able to farm shells especially important core shells for drafting

[neon idol]

Maybe its jack favorite boss

[random crane]

i said goodnight to him im still here but

[glacial notch]

If you honestly believe it should be an achievement you are actually out of your mind and not worth discussing with any further

[random crane]

will prob leave too thats a good time

[fiery tundra]

[scarlet comet]

Free pulls isn’t a problem. It’s lattices, which will almost surely be required

[limpid yarrow]

So get the new characters

[glacial notch]

The ability to do PvE to farm for PvP should be the bare MINIMUM that the game sets up. Sure, ember 42 or ani 54 can be an 'achievement' but fucking Rengo inferno for anyone should not be an 'achievement'

[fiery tundra]

Why you dodging the simple question? What is the Downside and Negative Effect of Nerfing Rengo and Aurora? I can name one...

[glacial notch]

You are out of your fucking mind and supporting the idea of selling the solution to this problem as a character instead of fixing the reason why current characters don't farm it consistently is actually diabolical levels of white knighting for the yacht you're not getting on

[limpid yarrow]

It’s that it removes any sense of achievement

[fiery tundra]

...

[limpid yarrow]

You don’t save summons?

[neon idol]

Why you need sense of achievement from a farm boss

[glacial notch]

achievement for doing farming content lmaoooooooo

[fiery tundra]

How?

[glacial notch]

what do people do when the banner passes

[fiery tundra]

I see

[tribal hornet]

Just pull this unit bro, oh you missed it? Unlucky

😭

[glacial notch]

like if I got my friend to play in 2 months with no banner, are they cooked

[fiery tundra]

Bro thinks Farming Investigation 25 is an Achievement.

[limpid yarrow]

They miss out that’s how gatchas have always worked my guy welcome to gatcha

[glacial notch]

weren't here? Oops 10 hour jail for you sorry

[fiery tundra]

Its a mindset thing.

Eating a Burger is an Achievement.

[glacial notch]

No most other gachas especially pvp ones you can farm all endgame content with easily available or multiple replacements for units and it's much faster than 5+ minutes a run

[fiery tundra]

[teal dagger]

i guess for a new player that wants to join the game and all he sees when he ask for advice is gonna be just pull the required units

[fiery tundra]

Waking up in the Morning its an Achievement.

[wise relic]

Pretty much i hate this idea but im sure they adamant for this so i can only concede to ask selector banner instead

[limpid yarrow]

Because they have a way larger roster and that goes back to the point I made earlier

[quaint token]

Since the release we already saw reroll for lily or u quit

[fiery tundra]

Taking a Shower regularly is an Achievement.

[quaint token]

And many left due to no lily

[glacial notch]

Their PvE content is also much easier fundamentally than this goofy ass fight

[teal dagger]

yea and u still have ppl trying to gatekeep rengo for some weird sense of achievement LMAO

want to have sense of achievement, go design good fights and not rngfest

[glacial notch]

Cause pvp games want you to do... PvP content.

[quaint token]

All we can do is wait for cn release and gather more voices and give feedback I suppose at this point our current voice has less power

[glacial notch]

Not sit there and struggle boat to even farm.

[fiery tundra]

So Cater towards the Minority that thinks that farming Investigation 25 is an Achievement. Smart Strat.

[limpid yarrow]

Gatchas have been releasing content specific characters since forever again it just comes back to the fact that people in this game think they can strong arm the devs

[glacial notch]

if you want pride and accomplishment go do ember 43 or ani 54, but gatekeeping farming content is actually stupid as bricks

[fiery tundra]

The CN community is about as large as Volkins.

[tribal hornet]

Bro they are PVE focused games, what are you smoking.

[quaint token]

Btw the game still didn't release yet are u excited for global launch event

[neon idol]

In waiting for ews 2026.

[limpid yarrow]

Idk where you’re fishing this mentality from but I’d only assume you’re extremely disgruntled with 0 summons

[fiery tundra]

Oh im not.

[teal dagger]

yea at this point it feels like a ragebait for sure

[tribal hornet]

This has to be rage bait, no?

No way you're this stupid

[quaint token]

That's it damn?

[fiery tundra]

You said the Downside was its Lowers the Achievement Feeling. So I can only Assume You think FArming Investigation 25 is an Achievement.

[limpid yarrow]

It’s always rage bait when someone doesn’t fold to the trash opinions lmao

[limpid yarrow]

But it’s not hard

[glacial notch]

SW has completely free to play teams for every content. All farmable or fusable units. No summons required.

E7 you can do most content with pretty much any permutation of units provided you hit conditions to farm in reasonable time.

Even hoyoverse/kuro stuff lets you clear whatever pretty easily with whatever units so long as you have some f2p supports

[limpid yarrow]

Maybe for you tho

[fiery tundra]

You made my Point thanks

Farming Stages should not be hard.

[limpid yarrow]

HOW OLD ARE THOSE GAMES HOMMIE

[fiery tundra]

Beta Difficulty was 50x Better then Current game.

[glacial notch]

The first two are the direct competition in the PvP turn based gacha genre so it doesn't really matter how old they are

They have the systems done and they're done right.

[tribal hornet]

Yeah it's terminal for sure, this guy can't be saved

[limpid yarrow]

Yeh it does broskie because their rosters are about 1000x more

[glacial notch]

Yeah he's eaten too much of the slime, can't really do much about it

His pride and accomplishment comes from clearing a farming stage

[limpid yarrow]

The cope is so real out here hahahahahahahahja

[limpid yarrow]

And yours doesn’t because you’d rather cry so you get your way instead of being like everyone else farming it rn

[glacial notch]

carry that pride and accomplishment when you do that stage 10k+ times for shells

[fiery tundra]

Why would I pride myself on being able to clear a chore?

[glacial notch]

My pride and accomplishment comes from my 74% winrate in summit at end of last season and being in a decent guild in union personally

Y'know, the actual fun content

yours can be from farming, have fun!

[fiery tundra]

What other games do you play?

I wanna make an Apt Analogy

[tribal hornet]

I think the game is laughing at me

[wise relic]

Gz for liliam piece

[glacial notch]

Anyways there's no real point in trying to find middle ground. If your pride and accomplishment comes from gatekeeping farming content then honestly,

[tribal hornet]

Even Auronnj doesn't like the announcement lol and he's usually very positive

[limpid yarrow]

You don’t belong in this game if you get no sense of achievement accomplishment hard content bro

[tribal hornet]

They're pissing off the shills 💀

[fiery tundra]

?

[tribal hornet]

It is not hard, that's the problem. It's tedious and takes way too much investment

[limpid yarrow]

ATM none but I played epic seven from release and fabled in a bunch of other games on and off over the years

[teal dagger]

if i play a pvp gacha i rather the pride and sense of achievement be in the pvp not pve LMAO

[fiery tundra]

You Do Realize that Farming Stages are basically the Tutorial....

[glacial notch]

Yeah the actual hard content like ember 43, ani 54 or pvp (eth/fearless/summit/union front)

[fiery tundra]

CLEARING IT IS PART OF COMPLETEING THE TUTORIAL MISSIONS

[limpid yarrow]

So why you wanna nerf the tutorial?

[tribal hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[fiery tundra]

So people can play the Real game

[limpid yarrow]

Ember was easy tho?

[glacial notch]

Ember hard is designed to be 'hard' content

Whether it is or not it's still designed to be actually more involved content

farming dungeon teams... shouldn't be.

Not to mention it fucks with the game balance (especially in lower ranks) to have one dungeon with key shells being significantly harder than the rest

[fiery tundra]

^ This is where Sephiroth Thinks we should Derive Our Sense of Achievement from.

[buoyant mango]

Just use diting you donut dafuq

[fiery tundra]

hey my favorite person

[buoyant mango]

The correction hurt tho

[fiery tundra]

[buoyant mango]

[fiery tundra]

Yeah and Inferno Rengo Should be Half as Difficulty as Ember

https://tenor.com/view/i-hope-that-helps-gill-engvid-i-hope-this-helps-you-im-hoping-this-help-you-out-gif-24769750

[random crane]

seph i pray for u man it’s not worth the energy

😭

take notes from me

enjoy ur evening or day

[glacial notch]

All the PvE farming content should be reasonable to do with obtainable units. No 7-8m run nonsense either, just 2-3m consistent runs.

Speed runs can be whatever, who cares - there's only so much stam esp in shells which don't 2x

But basic 2-3m runs should be fairly reasonable to ask for

[fiery tundra]

You Reasonable tho

[random crane]

no im evil as fk

[glacial notch]

true

idk it's just not a reasonable or good faith argument to say you should be able to do Rengo in reasonable time because of the accomplishment feeling by pulling premium SSRs

[narrow karma]

continuous battle x50 -x100 would be nice addition

[glacial notch]

If this is something you and the dev team don't agree with c, do let me know so I can chargeback and quit

because it's stupid that key important shells and the counter to cleave / the power augment to cc is locked behind a dungeon easily 2x as hard as the previous ones

[fiery tundra]

Rengo and All inferno Stages should be Autoable on Every Account at Level 55 Regardless of units. If you are on Element.

[glacial notch]

and it'll keep warping the balance in lower ranks and result in fucked up balance choices as a result

[fiery tundra]

[glacial notch]

(speed runs and reasonable time are not the same btw before it's misconstrued)

[teal dagger]

well if they still cant connect the dots that rev spam was annoying at lower ranks cause they were gated by rengo and aurora to farm the counter to rev.....

[glacial notch]

[fiery tundra]

There is a Reason Everyone who had been able to farm rengo said if you nerf Rev you HAVE To Nerf BB and Bruisers....

Lets Buff Bruisers instead

[teal dagger]

yea i kinda gave up trying to argue about this point cause everytime i say that the whiteknights start defending rengo and its rngfest

its tiring

[glacial notch]

Lord help us all if they release a new shell dungeon going to gate it behind some wacky like Liliam Lily comp to even clear at all for the pride and accomplishment of it

[random crane]

wgat

[random crane]

ppl who disagree are not always whiteknights or doomposters

serra and nuparu for example are highly critical

but

they tend to be reasonable for sure

and often have really strong points

[glacial notch]

keeping farming content difficult just so people who pull specific premium SSRs can clear it daily while others suffer from difficulty even clearing the content in reasonable time is not a good view on things

[tribal hornet]

Devs are clueless, if they somehow stop the bleeding I'll be very impressed, I'm just mad after being ignored for so long, almost a month to even do something as basic as nerf rengo and all they do is say pull these new units because we refuse to nerf it. Every issue the game has, we've been "parroting" the issues for weeks and weeks. (I 10-0 rengo in under 2 mins each, don't even bother thinking I'm stuck)

[random crane]

of course there are stronger takes like this which I don't think is necessarily a good idea, but I agree with a lot of their takes and thoughts

[peak nebula]

Yh this is bs

The rengo help isnt helping

[fiery tundra]

I think the bleeding is kinda stopped.

[glacial notch]

see: why people hated on shadow sania owners at the beginning and why people think this Rengo 'fix' isn't a fix

[tribal hornet]

Yeah it's not stopped lol

I bet a lot of people quit today

[random crane]

well shadow sania was a luck based ld

to be fair

[fiery tundra]

Yeah but that is a quick shock and those people already had their foot out the door.

[random crane]

these units are basically guaranteed to anyone and both serve different kits/teamcomps/synergy

so depending on what u need

u will have a solution

whether or not they require lattices is the issue

[fiery tundra]

but yeah I think if they left Point 7 out completely it would be in a much better spot community wise.

[glacial notch]

what do you do if you start after the banner though

[snow lake]

Yet how many lattices will they require?

[peak nebula]

Btw question they introduced 5x to anisync we cant even auto higher stages, why didnt actual repeatable content like ember trek/ethernet/infenro farming get a 5x

[tribal hornet]

I guess everyone can enjoy not playing PVP in this PVP focused game

[snow lake]

When the lattice income has not been touched

[random crane]

and whether or not new players will have options by the time theyre at rengo too is also a concern

[glacial notch]

it's the same thing just delayed, especially if you want to get into the game after it improves

[teal dagger]

ye i just feel like addressing rengo itself would have been a better solution

[fiery tundra]

CN will luckily have the R/SR Net Decks from Global. So that will be good.

They can start focusing those units early.

[random crane]

not necessarily since theyre rgbs and they are not the only rengo solutions. At the end of the day the pool for rengo solutions is still becoming bigger between liliam and these two units, so I think it wont be as bad as it may seem

but doesnt mean im not concerned still

[fiery tundra]

And NicoNana is no longer the Wall she was at launch.

[glacial notch]

the easiest fix is to actually fix the boss to be closer in line to the other shell bosses, that's legit all that needs to be done and this is a non issue

[fiery tundra]

Then again LilyRerollOrRestart Might be a Friction point.

Playing this game without Lily is like Playing ZZZ without Miyabi. Aka Borderline unplayable.

[wild sail]

the difference between lily and no lily is insane lmfao

i got lily like in the middle of cage rumble and it's night and day

everything is faster and much more consistent

[glacial notch]

but trying to sell solutions around the problem feels greedy, out of touch and just insulting lmao

[real cedar]

I still don't have a lily

Mind dropping one in my mailbox c

[random crane]

go to bed

go to bed and ill read shottys dm

[wild sail]

also tbh it's a really sad bandaid fix

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-gif-12190345

[wise relic]

Its not just lily....with ssania you can start farming hoyan inferno faster

[wild sail]

yea that too

[peak nebula]

Its worse that its a known issue for 2 months now

[wild sail]

sania is a low maintenance hoyan/nico clear

[real cedar]

Ok u got it boss

Gn guys

Hf

[scarlet comet]

I’m actually trying to get smth similar but with swiftraid lol

Never drops ofc

[wise relic]

Oh yea forgot about nico too....she is problem before the nerf ahahah

[wild sail]

with the 2 new people he'll beat it for sure

[scarlet comet]

Jack will pull the new hero and fully lattice it, for sure

[glacial notch]

dev account lattices

[wild sail]

the dps is not a solution probably needs like 8-12 lattice, will be a solution in the future just not immediately

have to see about the support

[random crane]

tired of seeing this but tbf this was like week 2 of anyone fighting rengo in general i think

its been like 5 weeks since then

or 4

[wild sail]

has he cleared it now

[tribal hornet]

And people still struggle, lol.

[glacial notch]

that's a problem lmfao revelation was tearing people apart and Rengo wasn't even farmable

[tribal hornet]

The point is, you guys have known and it has been an issue for longer than that screenshot

[peak nebula]

Its cringe to think of investing 12+ lattice in pve unit for 1 fkn shell boss because design of the boss is beyond dogshit

[glacial notch]

when Rengo had the hard counter to revelation in its drop list

[scarlet comet]

Well, design is fine, you can in fact have working teams as f2p, it’s just kinda very inaccessible unless you are a giga tryhard and religiously farm gear + optimally invest

[wise relic]

This is a lie

[peak nebula]

No i mean for speed clear

[tribal hornet]

Yeah he definitely wasn't doing rengo lol

[peak nebula]

Even a monkey can farm rengo inferno 100% winrate, issue is speed clearing it

With good winrate

[scarlet comet]

Oh, yeah, that is inaccessible with the current design for sure

[glacial notch]

for even reasonable time clears lol

[peak nebula]

Bcs boss is garbage

[scarlet comet]

At a reasonable win rate

[peak nebula]

Like 2-5 min clears depending on team

Arent sustainable

Over long time

With the drop rates we have

[glacial notch]

The super f2p YouTube team being 7 minutes

[fiery tundra]

Disagree the gear check is pretty rough

[peak nebula]

If u want 2 min clears ye if u want 5 a lvl 80 acc could have 100% winrate

With bruiser teams for it

[fiery tundra]

keyword bruiser teams

and builds

Pivoting in this game is miserable

[peak nebula]

Wym u just put ambers on sania/tia, arti on holden/rahu

[tribal hornet]

Almost like we needed a reset event

[peak nebula]

No skillups needed

U just put bb and shell

Was like so even before buffs

[fiery tundra]

Keyword BB

[peak nebula]

Its misserable

[heady scarab]

Is there any unit that purify all debuff , I am getting debuff to death in rta

[tribal hornet]

[peak nebula]

To clear 5 min, but its 100%

[fiery tundra]

Its almost like Aurora could also use a nerf

so people can feel better about farming BB

[tribal hornet]

Aurora is painful imo

Harder than rengo for me still

[peak nebula]

[wise relic]

Dokidoki.....2 debuff(3 with 4 lattice),only need doki take turn to get the buff and every time your debuffed unit take turn its cleanse the debuff

[peak nebula]

How

[glacial notch]

iirc I remember some YouTuber preaching a Sania Diting viper vice team that cleared like 70-80% with all relatively f2p units... 5-7m runs, 70-75% success rate. 🤣

[heady scarab]

Don't have doki doki

Replacement

[glacial notch]

meanwhile most f2p teams clear other content faster or safer or both

good times!

[heady scarab]

This game needs aoe cleanse units

[peak nebula]

Bro tiamat dps clears faster how did he make diting clear slower than tiamat

[glacial notch]

except Sharon she needs to be killed too fk that boss I hate her

[wise relic]

Idk.....we dont have that kind uniy yet,lingluo is 2nd beest cleanse unit after doki

[grizzled lantern]

Honestly, I really dislike this attempt it sounds just toxic

[glacial notch]

No defbreak due to running viper for safety against Sania being killed lol

[heady scarab]

Lingluo cleanse 1 debuff its will take forever

[glacial notch]

the team you had Holden rahu defbreak

this guy had bricks but it cleared... just so slow you couldn't finish it before you finished a 9-5. 🤣

[peak nebula]

Im using doki who is 555 and lily superstar support duo jsut to have reasonable clear time with 95% winrate

Yk whats funny, rengo wasnt dot immune in beta, sharon wasnt debuff immune in beta and here we are playing this dogshit balance of bosses in global release somehow

[tribal hornet]

Cachi/Fuqui/Doki/Liliam - 100% win rate

[glacial notch]

That team seems hella slow no cap

[glacial notch]

[tribal hornet]

Liliam claps tbh

[peak nebula]

Im doing doki lily fuqiu diting around 1-1:30 min runs,no liliam skills

[glacial notch]

My Sharon is a mess, surely I'll just giga high roll an insane mega bis Diting set so I can murder her

[tribal hornet]

[glacial notch]

that'll be me next month

[peak nebula]

Funny of u to assume the enxt ld wont have 200 def pen, ignore passive, 4k% multiplier aoe

Solution to pve! By devs truly

[random crane]

agreed. Why we also need more solutions to the time demands

[peak nebula]

How abt 5x speed for start

For auto repeatable content

[random crane]

im talking about that

w jack

once u hit lvl 100 u can x5 majority of content

good idea that doesnt really

hurt much

still gotta be engaged daily

[wise relic]

Selector bannner please 😭

[glacial notch]

I'm genuinely curious why there's so much pushback around just reducing either the straight up damage/speed or the silence add RNG in Rengo

Also remove the 10% res floor in PvE thanks would be a godsend

[shut galleon]

I appreciate the communication but like .. 80% of this announcement was just more we're listening to feedback and we need to work more closely with the community - how much feedback do y'all need before you actually address the same issues people have been asking about since launch though?

also if these new units aren't able to meaningfully help people deal with rengo without giga investment y'all just fried yourselves given the current climate lol

[random sun]

Well in fairness all of the complainers will just move onto the next issue and never give a bone to the company for fixing “x”, you do see the same people who complained about rev now complain about BB but in nether case did they ever look at what happens when you nerf them.

Also it’s never 95% it’s more like the loud 5% with a bunch of “yea I guess nods by the rest”

I’f a Utuber says this sucks players go yep it sucks

If a utuber says this is best unit ever (without testing) everyone says omg power creep

Now I still personally think Rengo needs a slight nerf

But complainers gonna complain regardless of if everything was perfect

[tribal hornet]

What sucks is 21 minutes for 10 clears 💀

[fiery tundra]

You underestimate HOW many people ARE Begging the Devs to give a Pure Win Announcement.

[fiery tundra]

Game is still coasting on the 12/10 Beta they had.

[random sun]

Will not ever be a pure win announcement,

If they came out with only

“Rengo nerf”

People would then complain omg the patch notes are so small what are they doing

[glacial notch]

That's a vast overgeneralization about complaints. Some of us just want things put on the right path. If they are, then we're good. If we're not, we call em out on it.

I try and be constructive (mostly) personally.

[random crane]

second half of this yeah totally lmfao im praying rn

[fiery tundra]

Not wrong

[shut galleon]

I mean you can browbeat people and look down your nose at them all you want but have fun doing that without a game in 3-6 months lmao

[glacial notch]

If they had broke it up and said Rengo nerf as one of them fuck yeah it's a win

Just like this module crafting is fuck yeah a win

[fiery tundra]

Thats too far.

[bleak orbit]

i mean 2 min clear looks pretty good..

[random sun]

I mean at no point have I done that

[bleak orbit]

in sw i was doing 5 min giants

😄

[tribal hornet]

It's on the higher end and it's still 21 mins xD

[glacial notch]

dw 5m giants is long dead

[shut galleon]

yeah how many years ago though

[random sun]

No the 4 healer dot team :0

[glacial notch]

game starts at like 2-3m now if you build correct starters lol

and can drop as low as 13s (with divine pull RNG of course lmao)

[random sun]

Game also has 5x the unit count of this game, and is more rng heavy now on getting a good unit then ever before

[fiery tundra]

Also true but they would have got complaints about silence on Rengo. (However the complaints about Silence would have been Tamer then what we got.)

[bleak orbit]

and this game is 2 months old

[fiery tundra]

This is like A Bottle Water Company Saying we know there is lead in the water. We Are going to be selling a lead filter for our water in a few weeks.

[shut galleon]

the other staple PVP games have learned from their mistakes - this game could've learned from them too but chose not to - the things this game does properly or the current state of it only being 2 months released doesn't give it a pass to do shit improperly or refuse to budge on them in the name of their vision

[restive zinc]

ahhh yes typical 2 month old game excuse

[glacial notch]

SW has its pros and cons, but the early game experience of basically being handed a starter kit to kill one dungeon at its hardest difficulty and ease of building f2p teams for other content can't really be beat.

[random sun]

Yea idk whether it’s our age Sand but most OG sw players are somewhat happy with the games update rate 😂 I still remember waiting 3 months for a fix

[shut galleon]

this game was in development for 5 years - being 2 months old isn't the explanation you think it is lol

[fiery tundra]

and was 50x better 3 months ago

[random sun]

Yea sw had 4 years of development, E7 had 3

[glacial notch]

sure, it'll get there eventually but let's be real - with a new gacha dropping every quarter nowadays I don't think etheria has the same time to bullshit around like SW did early on

[random sun]

Every game has a long development cycle

[neon idol]

Did e7 have 5 betas

[shut galleon]

yeah but those games also were pioneering the genre

this game released into an ecosystem that already had 10+ years of lessons learned

[bleak orbit]

yeah

[shut galleon]

that's the difference

[random sun]

No they weren’t they stop content from previous games and fked it up same as everyone else

Look at wuwa

[fiery tundra]

The Reason the 2 month old thing causes me such revulsion is they had a better game during the last beta. aka THEY KNOW how to make a GREAT game.

[glacial notch]

Been playing SW for 8 years. I didn't start Etheria to travel back in time to my starting date.

[random sun]

Same mistakes as genshin, and took them 1 year to fix their shit

[shut galleon]

this

yeah idc about wuwa or genshin they have nothing to do with this

we're talking about pvp games

[random sun]

No you restarted in a hopes of competing at the top, which is undeniably impossible in SW

[bleak orbit]

i see this way better than sw

but might be me

[random sun]

And yea this game is 5x better than sw

[glacial notch]

I'm G3 in SW RTA and was in finals in siege tournament.

[fiery tundra]

SW Can't run on my PC so i guess im lucky

[glacial notch]

I didn't restart for that. Lmao

[random sun]

Yea and that’s G3’s that will be equivalent of diamond/master in this game once it hits the 5 year life level

[glacial notch]

I restarted cause the game honestly looked fun and like a breath of fresh air lol

[random sun]

G3 is attainable for most spenders but you have 0 chance to make rank 1

[glacial notch]

I also hit master in this game s0 lol

I don't care about the grind to the very top, I just want it to be a fun ride

[random sun]

And that’s great, but it’s always gonna be a long ride in gatchas

[glacial notch]

if I cared about trying to get good and reach the pinnacle of something I'd dedicate my life force to playing a moba and getting good lol

I just want the game to be fun, so I'm trying to push feedback about things that make the game not fun

[random sun]

And there’s nothing specific on this game that actually hurts you in this game (like sw where spending actually can have a net 0 outcome)

[glacial notch]

idk if I wanted to have fun spending, in both their current states, I'd play SW. The gamble is there but the reward feels so much better.

[random sun]

Haha tell me that after doing a 500 l/d summon session and getting nothing

[glacial notch]

Mostly because it feels so much better to use anything you actually hit - RTA is much more enjoyable than Etheria current meta and Siege is better ATM due to unit variety and depth

[random sun]

As a low spender sure sw is fine I guess but no the gatcha in that game is one of the worst in all gatcha games

[random sun]

If you ever went back to when the game first came out it was the same, most of the current issues go away when you have a larger roster

[glacial notch]

Oh I'm a fucking super whale in SW too, it fucking blows to try and pull units but the game esp if you have units just feels better rn

[peak nebula]

Idk i cant look at sw from a perspectice of a new player and think yeah this game looks fun, its horrendous how bad it is i can look at etheria and be like this looks fun but the fun turns to full time job if u want to have fun bcs of all the pve dogshit we have to deal with for hours a day

[glacial notch]

And I want to push some of the things I enjoy from SW over to try and make Etheria more fun as well.

[random sun]

Bigger roster = more solutions = less drag

[glacial notch]

I'd rather not wait 4 years for Etheria to catch up to 2020 SW.

[random sun]

But sw grinding is litterally 24hours

You sign in every 5 minutes cause runs are 14 secs long

[peak nebula]

Yes but pulling units, building units etc.

[random sun]

And you can max refresh infinitely

[peak nebula]

Its all garbage in comparison

[random sun]

Those are the least enjoyable things about sw

We basically regear units once a month on the free removal event

And then we have to regear 400+ units perfectly

[fiery tundra]

Just nerf Inferno So I can Rest and become a Shill again

[glacial notch]

At least you could grind reasonably in SW. Etheria's grind right now is a pain to even reach due to the resource drought...

[scenic bloom]

I am looking for something
In actual fact
Who's in the pfp?

[peak nebula]

One good thing abt etheria compared to other turn based is limited grind, but they handled limited grind in a way that im doing 10 refreshes for hours and have other pve to do aside for an hour+, whiel in other games its just auto farm 100 refreshes a day

[fiery tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/pengu-pudgy-penguin-pudgypenguins-good-night-gif-18273337309675422174

[peak nebula]

Gestella from eleceed

[scenic bloom]

They'll release units to help with that

[random sun]

Yea they both doing things horiddly, I would just rather etherias base then SW

If they double the amount of runs we can que I’d love it

[fiery tundra]

That =/= Inferno Nerfs

[glacial notch]

Like cool they release new unit to counter Rengo. Not really ideal but it's a thing I guess. Now do I have any way to get lattices for it in reasonable time? Fuck no, not even as a spender.

Not to mention this would also have to push my lattice queue further, causing other units to rot.

And then leveling them, 6*ing them (where red shadows) and gearing them (where coin to power up modules, chips to reroll shells?)

[fiery tundra]

No Inferno Nerf mean No More Money and No More Positive Engagement from me

[wise relic]

Or if they miss the banner...that mean you are at the mercy of rng

[fiery tundra]

They Need to Nerf All the Inferno Stages to NicoNana Levels but I will settle for 10% Rengo Nerf

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-my-body-is-ready-gif-4330283

[random sun]

See like sw your not really meant to have everything 5/5/5

more like 3/1/5 etc, the issue is they locked good stats behind the skills causing us to go all or nothing.

It’s more of an issue with the design of the skill upgrades rather than the amount of lattices

[glacial notch]

It's just silly how they're approaching the situation.

Release new unit who's flexible and multi faceted? Cool!

Announce her as 'the Rengo fix'? What?

[fiery tundra]

also true

[scenic bloom]

Hang on now, blind guardian?

[glacial notch]

This is a huge part of the problem yes

[random sun]

Haha 😂

[glacial notch]

Stares motherfuckingly in speed/cr prowesses

[random sun]

See id rather people asking to remove substats from skill upgrades rather than spamming omg not enough lattices

[glacial notch]

I'm not trying to 5/5/5 all but I need lattices in units to even function and it's pain. I still don't have my 3 in Yeli S1 due to needing to cut corners to have other usable skills...

[random sun]

Idk maybe because of my job, I hate seeing people complain in the wrong place with the right intent, generally makes things worse (see Rev nerf)

[glacial notch]

Meanwhile Tsuki with 3 in S1 just for speed:

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-bunny-dessert-spank-jiggly-bunny-jiggly-gif-25255921

[glacial notch]

Anyhow this is a massive tangent from the thread

Just reduce this idiots power a bit. I do not care about people's pride and accomplishment for clearing a PvE farming stage. They can go get it when they actually do hard PvE content like Anisync or actually do the core PvP.

[buoyant mango]

Gyat damn

[glacial notch]

It would make farming the shells easier, which would in turn make the balance of the game a bit easier as people would have access to the final core shells.

And then it'd also be a good action for people's time that they already feel is being wasted by reducing your total time spent waiting for 10xs to finish so you can actually call it a day in reasonable time.

[wise relic]

True...like for example if they make yeli s3 -1 cd on 1 latticr investment instead of 4 is a huge lattice save

[glacial notch]

naw they did that shit for a reason and we both know it lol

If we could do out of order skillups it'd be insane but they won't let us cause that'd actually slash their profit on these lattices hard

[wise relic]

Wcyd

[buoyant mango]

My liliam is 5/5/5, i have 2 SSRs maxed out now

[wise relic]

[fiery tundra]

[peak nebula]

Let me convert 3-5 purple lattice into 1 yellow when

[fiery tundra]

Wait that is actually a good change

Make a Thread

[random sun]

He already did in the lattice thread

Well it wasn’t his idea some other guy, but yea it’s a good one

Since at some point we will have more purple lattices then SR heroes (same with rare ones)

[random sun]

Although everyone hates me in here for being rational (sometimes I have good takes)

[peak nebula]

Idk i already have no SR to invest in once im done with last 2 which is next week lol

Spenders prob have borderline none

[fiery tundra]

5 to 1 Conversion R To SR to SSR would make the R Lattice worth buying

[wise relic]

Sounds good...have reason to buy those R lattice from pvp shop

[random sun]

Yea that’s was my response in the other post,

Would be another 1 lattice a month

And in the future a lot more when you stop building SRs

[limpid yarrow]

You literally do what everyone is doing now smh

[glacial notch]

Ah yes 5-7 minute runs, very good waste of time that they definitely didn't note in their dev blog that they are trying to address

but man stop responding to me, we'll never agree - you have a mindset I will never agree with

[quaint token]

Don't worry sephiroth is seishizo alt who said game is for hardcores

[limpid yarrow]

Idk about you but my rengo runs average a minute

[glacial notch]

so just agree to disagree and stop causing me to get discord pings

[glacial notch]

Most people without premium LD SSRs do not come close to this.

and that's cool - speed runs can be cool for whoever

but 2-3m should be the expectation for replicable safe teams not 5+

[fiery tundra]

Seishizo is reasonable and said rengo needs a nerf lol

[scenic bloom]

A guild mate of mine has a 10 minute safe aurora run

[limpid yarrow]

Ahh yeh? There’s the Dina red catchi diting green sania team? I think your issue is more gear related

[quaint token]

Yeah even seishizo said but this guy

Nah

[limpid yarrow]

I have 100% wr Aurora that’s 2 mins

[quaint token]

It will decrease my achievement farming aura

[scenic bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/tomhardy-madmax-thumbsup-good-goodforyou-gif-9348803

[glacial notch]

That team is not remotely close to consistent or safe what

[limpid yarrow]

Idk who that is but clearly it’s not me and I’m entitled to spill my opinions just like you lot

[glacial notch]

it's a cool team but it's still in the same realm of 70% runs as the other teams

and 70% success rate may as well be multiplying the amount of time it takes to farm by 1.5 due to the need to burn the energy you are refunded

[limpid yarrow]

You do realise that no fast clear team is 100%? And that’s probably the point of bringing these charecters

[glacial notch]

Didn't ask for speed, meant consistent (high success rate) in reasonable time (2-3m)

hell even teetering a bit past 3 is still in the realm but 5-7 is not reasonable for a consistent replicable team

[tribal hornet]

Why does it say this Seph guy made his discord today 💀

[limpid yarrow]

And these charecters will allow that and to be clear it is an absolute luxury not a necessity and acting like people who miss the banners are never going to clear rengo is whack af

[glacial notch]

Consistent 2-3m clears is a luxury?

what the fuck

yeah idk we're on different planets

[quaint token]

Just to talk about his achievements and say devs listened on discord

[glacial notch]

this would be considered the bare minimum for me to be iterated on

[tribal hornet]

Well if it wasnt obvious that it's rage bait, now it is lol.

[limpid yarrow]

It’s so funny how it’s the same handful of people on here thinking they know what’s best for the game and any time someone disagrees it’s rage bate

[glacial notch]

dog you want to gatekeep Rengo difficulty for pride and accomplishment

actually deranged

anyways I'm going to forcibly disengage from this conversation

[tribal hornet]

How would you know it's always the same handful of people if you just joined the discord today?

Absolute clown alt

[quaint token]

Yeah

[limpid yarrow]

That’s against community guidelines friend

[quaint token]

There are many

[limpid yarrow]

See ya!

[glacial notch]

may you find something one day that's actually worth having pride in

[wild sail]

newly made, anonymous account claiming not trying to rage bait

[quaint token]

Don't worry nuparu cn players will teach what real pride is

[limpid yarrow]

Oh don’t you worry I have plenty 🔥

[quaint token]

I think he entered just today to boast that rengo is easy

[wild sail]

💀

[limpid yarrow]

Rage bait is just cope for I have no reasonable counter argument

[limpid yarrow]

Clearly your not actually informed on the point I made that lead us here

[glacial notch]

More like saw changes to Rengo and panicked that his pride and accomplishment of clearing a farming dungeon is in danger

[quaint token]

Most likely

Why are u only on this thread sephiroth

[glacial notch]

As is he's safe for now I guess

[quaint token]

Why not go to other chats shows ur interested only in these handful people

Urself

[limpid yarrow]

Bruv this was never even about that to begin with? It was about you crying over charecters designed to counter rengo and not getting them meaning you can’t clear

[quaint token]

Cause others don't give a damn

[limpid yarrow]

Because I like to remind the cry babies they are the minority opinion

[quaint token]

I see many quit cause of people like u you are needed here anyways

[glacial notch]

I think you're illiterate on top of misconstruing things

Ariadne said (and is correct) that if you just want to clear a monkey could bang their pots and pans until they can do it

To clear in REASONABLE TIME while having a DECENT SUCCESS RATE should be the BARE MINIMUM for farming contrnt

[limpid yarrow]

No one quits because of some stupid argument on discord broskie

[fiery tundra]

Thinking Rengo Doesn't Need a Nerf is the Smallest Minority. of Players.

[quaint token]

They do though

U just made ur account today

[glacial notch]

The fact that the BARE MINIMUM is gated behind premium SSRs is absolutely asinine LOLLLLL

[limpid yarrow]

And they are promising the new charecters will let you do that? So unless you have 0 summons and are raging because your poor then I don’t see why your so worked up over it

[limpid yarrow]

He’s getting a nerf tho? With the new charecters

[fiery tundra]

Thats not a Nerf.

[limpid yarrow]

It is if you get the charecters

[fiery tundra]

It is not a nerf.

It is a Potential Counter.

but we also know they balance around Max dupe Max Latticed units so....

Yeah I will take it with a grain of Salt.

[limpid yarrow]

Cope harder max dupe lmao

[fiery tundra]

Have you seen their Test Server/Early Footage.

[limpid yarrow]

Maybe max lattice but not dupe keep coping

[fiery tundra]

Its all max Dupe max Lattice.

[glacial notch]

This guy either has to actually be on the yacht the CEO of XD rides maybe as a janitor or is delusional about it cause I've never seen someone so adamant on defending blatant money grabbing for the bare minimum lmaoo

[limpid yarrow]

And? That literally doesn’t prove anything?

[fiery tundra]

Proves when they are doing the testing they have those things.