#Wishbinder Event SSR Selector Sucks
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Ah yes, niche rolls like.... Counter Cleave (Hoyan) and... CC + def break which is counter Bruiser especially with Lilliam
those are quite literally niche rolls 
hoyan in a bruiser meta
Yeah for you who doesn't play PvP
She was released into a heavily cleave meta that they mistakenly nerfed rev
Come on now
What dogshit argument is this
and her value wasn't realized by the masses until ews?
you gotta think on the average player scale
sure, at the top you can argue these points
Dude people knew she was counter cleave day 1
No I like to fight
also, why pull and invest in her at the time when everyone was struggling in inferno?
back when lattice was even a bigger issue>?
She doesn't even need any investment to get her role done lmaooooo
Fucking dog takes
1/1/1 hoyan without law or count?
i doubt many people were farming those shells back then
Neither are needed, she's literally for counter cleave
Ty for doing the work
and what happens with massiah?
what if yeli runs bloodbath?
Massiah counters her duh, his kit is anti passives
can you ban characters in arena and gvg?
yeah, her role is even more niche
hence my original point stands
also cc counters her too no?
Massiah role is niche?
what?
Sure but then Yeli sacrifices damage and Hoyan doesn't give AF about Yeli Bloodbath cause her S3 is one hit
Not my fault you are clear as a dog turd
massiah is a her?

Who knows with your brain

But tbf typos happen on that one
oh now it's a typo?
so you're telling me a 1/1/1 hoyan can one shot a yeli through bloodbath
I had assumed you meant Massiah and to type him
Yes? Bloodbath wont trigger until after Hoyan hits S3
who tf else do you think I was talking about
Fucking retarded
when I said "her role is even more niche"
Why do you think Lilliam is good
Cause her S3 is one hit burst
And ignores BB
Unless BB already activated from previoius damage
doesn't BB mitigate damage strictly after 55% hp not based on hits?
Its hits else Lilliam aint doing 40k on BB units
why are people talking about bloodbath yeli in the first place then
I don't have vero so I was planning to pick her on the box, then ended up getting her 2x while burning my summons, now the box will be worthless. this game trolls me hard man lmaoo
@keen apex sorry for the ping, is that true about bloodbath and single hits?
i coulda swore i heard people talking about yeli bloodbath countering hoyan
Wait what
Wait what
I'm pretty sure it affects 1 hits
If it does, I'm retarded
Anyone free to lobby test right now
Bloodbath definitely affects single hits otherwise that shit would be useless in rengokutsu
Guess I'm retaraded
i was gonna say, I run BB on my kloss and vice
LMAO
But also, mobs can trigger it
Anyhow, anyone wanna try?
that's besides the point, i just think hoyan was too niche at the time
Yea id actually like to see
Imma try Keeneye Hoyan
We test a unit with BB and without with roughly same stats
into a Hoyan S3

I'm down for anyone who wants to test
U don't need similar stats
If bb works it says
Bloodbath
When it takes the hit
bb accounts for total dmg
if it was per instance of damage it would be more balanced
i've yet to see nahor in pvp
We can run a simulation
Yeah
also so many people are running effect res rn
Ok
ign? or make a room
Actually I just made a room
Its made by Chinese name
i feel like the ppl trying to say bb doesnt work are those trying to stop bb from getting nerfed next balance patch lmao
and has Lilliam pfp with purple RTA frame
in this case it was just a forgot it worked like that
Just a tip if you wanna test with/without BB. Run a BB helmet without defensive stats, then just remove it. So you have BB on/off with the same stats
I'm aurora
@Aurora is you?
Yes
@subtle fjord i don't have any problems with you, quick as you are to throw insults, just understand my points aren't baseless
made room again
Ok
I like to throw insults and your takes still dog shit
you've yet to disprove my points tho
Gonna pick random low built units
Hoyan niche when she counters the meta at that time? 
weren't you talking about higher level pvp tho
FUCK! I'm retarded
wasn't turn 2 starting to become more prevalent and CC was also very prominent at the time
it was literally just a speed check, and hoyan is countered by cc no?
sure you can run bulwark, but ppl ran mia or obol + cc
or they just ran superspeed lily/tsukiyo with massiah
Real talk though
CC only became prevalant after EWS
How TF did ur hoyan not crit xd
And that's after Yeli

I don't think she has a shell rn or something
i'm quite sure there were a lot of marvels, krakens, kazuyos, mios in like almost every pvp match i played
and obols
it was just a speed game, whoever was faster would win, cc or cleave
She does, my PvP set is wrong LMAO

in fact the only time i saw hoyan was someone countering my cleave team in gvg
still waiting for you to disprove my points 
She was used quite a bit in Diamond and above RTA and you usually ban Massiah
Enemy rev cleaves, Hoyan counters and revives some ally that died
ah so now we're back to top tier pvp
people just drafted cc no?>
Hoyan not that great anymore since cleave was nerfed
again with mia and obol
Yeah we talking about when she was released
which was a cleave meta
and your point about uninvested hoyan?
Yup, which was Kazuyo and some Mios at the time
Still works against cleave
and that counters her no?
Cause she kills squishies
Every feedback develops into RTA discussion 😂
Well yeah but you Bulwark Hoyan or bring immunity ofcourse. She was counter Cleave not counter CC
It does but nobody plays cleave as much anymore and everybody and there mom has bloodbath
i mean this guy still hasn't disproven my point that she was and still is a niche pick especially at the time
obol mia
especially at higher ranks as you say
can't ban everything
Obol wasn't used much in PvP til like... a week before EWS
When Kekker started spamming it to beat people in RTA
Kraken was more prevalent
Until that point
this is also not mentioning people also ran val to counter her
and how many people were running bulwark hoyan at the time uninvested?
Yes bro, things have counters. Hoyan was a counter cleaver and she literally countered the meta
Hoyan does not one shot my bb yeli
great, so we've established that she was niche
so my point is proven
And if u strip her bulwark and cc her shes useless

Counter to meta = Niche. This is why I say your takes are dogshit
i mean
the counter to cleave is just be faster too
or cut before their dps
also at higher rank
Its not meta anymore the meta is bb healer and bruisers
turn 2 no?
Shes not killing any of those
sure something can be a counter to meta
but it's not the definitive counter and has a lot of counters against itself
how does she perform into turn 2 or cc?
oh yeah
At the time when she was released
Whats ur point?
he thinks hoyan wasn't a niche pick at the time and in fact was quite a universal value pick
The original point here was RGB units being half niche bby Ada
And we branched off into Hoyan
It is a niche pick to counter yeli
your only counterpoint was nahor and hoyan
Its a good counter pick into a cleave meta

sure, but there are a lot of things that need to fall into place beforehand
i've still yet to see a nahor in pvp
Sooo, like most picks?
and who uses him in pve except maybe doki2 and cage rumble?
this is of course all devil's advocate talking about the pvp side of things
lets not talk about hoyan's pve prospects aside the one niche one shot terra comp

Yeah I agree on that one, he's a bit of a reach especially when one hit doesn't prevent BB triggering. If it did, Nahor would have been more useful with Lilliam
i just think they at least need to supplement with better rgb dps
so everyone can have the chance at pulling useable units to help farm for pvp
and for those already set up to have better more comfortable clears in pve content
because my original point was that the standard banner pool just kinda sucks
hopefully my takes aren't quite as dogshit now 
I mean diting can clear most content and hes sr
true, but the average player still struggles, why not release units to make pve easier?
i still can't 100 some tier 4 union bosses with him
and i'd like to have rosa/xiada for better doki2 and aurora clearing, but standard banner said no
But except for Nahor (who may have a use except our best cleavers already ignore or bring their own def break), the others have been good
i think holden is exceptional
fuqiu i'm not too sure about, she's good but you'd need to kinda build around her a bit
It's a slap in the face for the people who got these characters. When i heard its a summoning event. I thought maybe they would increase the odds of a character we dont already own. Or target summon like RGB 100 wishes gets your character 200 for the LD?
i've really only used fuqiu so far for pvp and cage rumble, maybe a phantom nightmare but i usually just use sania and val
heading in the right direction is releasing an event with predatory intent with a reward of units that mainly benefits new players
care to explain the nuance?
There was a fad of Fuqiu + Doki for awhile
i do run fuqiu with doki for cage rumble
And basically content where you can't use Lingluo she can function as a solo healer especially with Fortissimo
problem is i don't see where else i could use that combo, all my infernos are already clearing well
maybe for a lily-less account it would have a lot more value
i have been investing in doki2 for pvp tho, just need lattice so badly
Yep, that's why I use them
The selector 100% should be pick one out of all non L/D SSR
literally no incentive to pull to the selector if you own the 3 choices.
i'd rather it be this way and put it at 200 pulls
i'd swipe for that in a heartbeat
exactly, idk why they would gatekeep this so hard. it makes doing the event for people who've played since day 1 not even do it
i don't think putting it at 200 would affect new players either, they get so many gems and pulls
and if they announced this a week earlier too there'd be no issue whatsoever
idk the idea is good but the execution is kind of a fumble
it's great if you've just started the game and u didn't pull kloss or tsuki
kloss is the only real big ticket option out of it. Tsuki and Veronica are situation and very nieche
new players aren't the ones bringing in the money tho
most people used their first selector on kloss, i'm sure they have data for that
and lets be honest, you don't even need tsukiyo if you're a new player, just reroll for lily
yep, me too
yea, so why not make it a selector of a non l/d. The whales own everything and are gonna whale for the latice
why would a whale go for the SSR reward, honestly it should be swapped with the latice if they wanted to make money
anyways this event is a clownfest and it's clear, the people who made the event, don't play the game
idk people feel as though putting in a selector like that once would completely kill their revenue as if a move like that wouldn't be a sign of good faith from the devs as well as lighten the unit requirements for pve for most players, and most ppl that need the selector probably aren't swiping that much anyways
if they want money, release slightly better units to replace or provide better utility than the current standard banner units. Yes it's powercreep, but if done right, with how generous they are with pulls, every player has access to these units
sigh not again
they should just have the cube challenge permanently, it's by far the best one imo
i mean the whole point of this even is to make people use their pulls so they spend for the enxt rgb, that is the main point here
ok so we gonna use our pulls if it's a good selector not this mediocre choose from 3 u probably have
i'll be saving my pulls
totally agree
rewards are only good after 200 pulls ... before that it's nothign to shout about ... certainly nothing to drain your pool. i.e. if you can't finish the event to get the good rewards, better just wait for next unit you can guarantee
I have all 3. This event blows for anyone in position, they should have just gave a standard selector.
lol this sure summoned the white knight brigade
Eh converted me from Doomer. This and C announcement (now if the deets on that fail to live up to the hype...)
It's an actually great event for once especially since most of us are still missing one of these units
Or me, missing all 3
Because devs are clowns. They get more from only putting 3 units in selector than entire RGB roster. Basically not giving any free unit to some that already has 3 of em. Absolute cringe devs imo.
Or you know, save RGB selector for half anni or even anni like most games lmao
Not a random event 2 months in
RGB selector = this event will rarely rerun
Limited selector to 3 units they choose at a time? Can run more frequently
Oh they totally can do that. But doesn’t change the fact that some are losing out on actually getting another unit.
Or they dont make the event like this at all and no one losing out
If it’s as frequent as every 2 months then cool. But i doubt that’ll happen. Lol.
while i agree the premise is great - 'summon and get free stuff and a selector yay' - the execution, like most things they've done, is once again questionable
- not much of a heads up
- running event right after people prolly dumped a bunch of summons into liliam
- prolly run another new RGB dual banner after people dump a bunch of summons into this event
Nah. They already planned the event. They chose to limit it so they don’t lose out too much
L devs
It's like complaining about rerun banners on older units you already have. You weren't the target market
We'll see, C has already stated that this event will rerun with different units
I can agree but this is one of their better executions. It could use improvement.
running event right after people prolly dumped a bunch of summons into liliam
This isn't really relevant though. Different summons and if you fished for Lilliam with RGB summons... well, get fucked
prolly run another new RGB dual banner after people dump a bunch of summons into this event
This is valid but if my understanding is right, next RGB banner will be solo. This one needs clarification as its confusing. But also, what are the odds the next RGB unit is better than Kloss/Tsukiyo? Those are top tier units
frankly, don't really care for the wish event. i have more than enough units to have variety in the game, but severely short on resources to level them up. if you are like level 20, and still building up roster it's great, but otherwise, other than the 1 gold tofu, nothing i need.
Regardless of the above though, its still a good event
No one will complain about reruns though. Because as of now there’s none and having one is better than nothing. There’s no losing out knowing there’s a rerun for unit you want at some point.
And for anyone missing Kloss/Tsukiyo? It's a great event
this too
But this event is essentially a special rerun banner for anyone not whaling to 200 summons for Lattice
Its a rerun banner with 3 options and you can only get 1 BUT you can summon and get other units too with your 100
If you think about it in this way, its a great event
And even if you have all 3, you have to admit "rerun banners" are good for the game
and for players
and might be even good for you in the future
Missed Holden after he became OP? Could be in next event
Cool then. If so, hopefully it does become frequent. We shall see how it turns out.
agree its not a bad event. if you have been playing since launch ... maybe not so useful
Day 1 player, whaled Yeli 5/5, top PvP AI on Global S1, Mythic RTA. I dont have any of the 3
no way ...
I know a few other whales spending 2k+ who were missing atleast one of the units here
i have all 3 only built 1 😂
Yeah there's a lot of RNG in unit pulls which is why I'd say this event is a lot better than many who were blessed with all 3 units think
no disagreement there --- the pool is going to get larger as time goes by. if this is recurring with swapping units - W
dont look too short term
Yeah this was confirmed already
It is a question as @dull kettle said of how frequent it would bbe
cool
I would assume every 2 months though but too early to tell
I don’t even give a sht of the events so far since launch I do them just coz they’re there. I just hope they implement more qol like being able to just replay you’re previous successful inferno runs ðŸ˜
Its a good supplement to rerun banners (which I'd still want)
Pretty sure we'll have continuous battle cap increase
Which if they do and are decently generous, is huge QoL
Waiting for the announce with 6 days
c's big annoucement is in 6 days?
They did say they cooking something up. Hopefully huge QOLs.
Within
thought he made the comment meaning it will come tomorrow --- hahaha
It could literally be tonight for all we know but he did say it was within 6 days
Same but they stil finalizing shit. I told him he can give us an incomplete preview and as long as we know more are coming (within 6 days!) we won't pitchfork LOL
They said a lot was cooking
But lets seeeee
Apparently C is confident
that us doomers will stop dooming
Sooooo
And after he sees how degen this community has been, if he's confident it has to be good
They better not be burnt 
One last chance frfr
Im confident to say this event is for new players

200 summon for 1 ssr lattice.................
The lattice is for whales. This event is for the Klossless and Tsukiyo-less which includes many Day 1 players and even whales
yea, I know a lot of people who got baited by CCs saying to target summon rilmocha for doki2 instead of kloss
Not sure about that, its gonna be a reoccuring event. They gonna change the chars in the box u can choose from. Cant come with that argument then.
Pretty sure they gonna do this event when they gonna introduce new servers - its smart
Pay some ccs to update their 'beginner' guide to stop recommending the rat and get one of the three 
Frfr
Lol if so this event will be super common
I dont think super common but like once a rta season I would say
I might be wrong on that haha but it makes sense to me 
Are you really here saying you WANT powercreep?! What an L of a take
I think powercreep definitely gonna happen in the future
Its just how long they want to drag it
fr L take, even though you can never avoid powercreep you can absolutely limit it and work accordingly to it
but actively wanting power creep to happen is wild to me
Honestly im happy how Liliam went, she will grow a lot the time more units come and already has her niche spot
One of the best parts about the game is the devs continually saying they want to avoid powercreep.
If they were doing it 2 months into launch the game really would be dead with the amount of lattices we get.
yes
im p sure they had this in mind
although I think you can slightly increase the lattice amount by like 1-1.3 per week, wouldnt be bad especially for f2p or casuals who cant get the end game lattice
Also, 200 for the lattice breakpoint isnt that bad imo. Not going for the 300 tho
Im not even gonna go 200 tbh
I already have all 3 of the selector units so im.not even pulling
300 is a scam
but I'm pretty sure the selector was meant to be 300
and the ticket was 100
they just swapped it around to build hype for SOMETHING BIG IS COMING
game is saved
Give me your prediction on the something big
Bug
Ngl thats a given
they are gonna release cage rumble 2.0
featuring febian+phoebe, kururu, astarte + all 5 adds
Oh hell no
but the astarte adds are all the disorder one
💀
thats the next big thing
when they said big they didnt mean generous
they meant big as in amount of mobs
Looking at it realistically
C has a list pinned
Of all the changes hes pushing
He says this gonna be big and we gonna be happy so i expect some of that list to be implemented at least
same, but my tsukiyo is p4 and my fingers are itching to p5 her so giga W and reason to pull for me
💀
Remember he talked with Jack
Who said 20 k training data right
That guy
This is why they never say anything.
He was clearly just spit balling numbers lol
Idk that video came into my feed
Does dreambaa give 20 k
Training data
I can level my budo panda with it later
it don't, it give 8k
Imagine if it actually gave 20k. Would be so dumb.
Endgame is already swimming in training data. Reconfig chips are the actual bottleneck
tons of ppl were complaining about training data

they just havent farmed enough to feel the config chip bottle neck
Im still dry on those training data i need to raise lot of shell
well the CCs playing etheria willingly without a paycheck are like
volkin, seanb, bread, tim
probs a few more
seii and artiar too I think
nice selector, 3 units only how are we supposed to aim for the units we're missing
even for a spender i hate this event
Free kloss for everyone is actually huge
It doesn't matter if you are new or endgame, she is amazing
i take everything back got my random missing tiamat, best event ever 20 out of 10
It boosted your luck 🤞
This summon count is criminal 😂
putting it behind an RNG on top of it too. pure fckin cringe.
I didnt know that 
11-44 range is crazy
Hmm tbh if the devs say no to some of them then there's nth we can do abt it, I'll just keep my expectations to the minimum 
200 Pulls, 2x Kloss dupe, 2x Tsuki Dupe crazy summon rates gg
200 pull
New heinrich,freya/rahu/holden dupe gigi
Keeping expectations low is probably for the best
and that's from about 10 Slumbaa recycle. 
W event. i got my missing holden and selected for veronica
Selector does not sucks. It is amazing. They just need to make the event recurrent and rotate the three heroes from the selector so eventually everyone manage to get the heroe they are missing. When you dont need any if them, you can skip it and save until the next one
c already confirmed that it'll return with new heroes
Subject to change ofc. Maybe the next one just gives us all the RGB to choose from 👀
Wow this is amazing news!!!! Thanks for the info. Ice on top of the cake would be to make a version more costly but with 3 apex heroes selector
That would go hard, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe around anniversary?
selector sucks if you have max dupe of the three characters offered 

Then wait for coming ones with different heroes.
now support, maybe next will be dps?
turandot yang kazuyo reverie
veronica kloss tsukiyo mi
W event, went from 52 to 58 animus, was annoyed about the selector at first but then I just pulled Holden and Celince anyway so it didn't matter. It would be nice if it was a real selector though
I wonder how often wishbinder will come around
well I pulled anyway for the lattice
and then finished off to hoard ssr tickets ig
Maybe. Which ones are people particularly craving for?
Khloros/Holden for red
Rosa/Xiada for blue?
Hoyan/Celince for green?
Personally voting Tiamat for blue 👀
i think it will be
khloros for terror
rilmocha for doki
rosa for aurora
Fair fair
Damn Ratmolcha
But she enables speed clears for 2x
Indeed but they'll likely go with Khloros for general bossing content
So how many couldn’t control their urges and went 300 summons?!
well does it count if we were going to 300 summons regardless

I went to 200 and got 7 dupes and kloss from the selector so I can't complain
Probably, a free kloss is huge for whoever didn't have her
people with all 3 selector characters complaining, meanwhile the rest of us been living without these characters and getting by
😡 😡
The bad part of this event is having a week to get 300 summons. Whale event
what u want a red shadowprint and random dupe that bad for
I'm not even complaining, I'm probably going for a Veronika dupe
yeah my game mustve been bugged i didnt get 7 ssrs in 200 summons
Its not a week....if you are not saving after done nahor and fuqu banner then wtf you doing as f2p?
After those two you have 300 summons? Gz
You dont do 300 summon....200 max,but usually done after 100
have real ssr selector pls
always love getting a useless selector
this event is mostly good for new players who can easily get 300 summons



