#Liliam is lackluster

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prisma pier
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Going to delete the ping to not be rude

fickle geode
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the notif will stay though

prisma pier
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Well.. crap

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It was well intentioned šŸ˜…

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Regardless, I appreciate your help in pointing me in the right direction

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Thank you

fickle geode
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may your journey be blessed with liliam FrogeCamera

dark mortar
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my yeli just followips way less recently doing a lot of just 1 followup

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maybe iā€™m just unlucky brut itā€™s like 2 days straight

lone mist
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Unlucky

dark mortar
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i had like 4 games in a row where she did only q follow-up and i didnā€™t kill the samoa and lost

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so annoying

wind void
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that's the game you play with yeli I guess

dark mortar
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my gear is so ass rn tho tbh

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ima neeed crit damage pieces tmw

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is 515 lilliam enough

wind void
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that's what I'm using until I get more lattice

solid flicker
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what's that

fleet sky
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he already left

cursive lance
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cant wait to lactate her up?

ruby perch
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if we release more videos on how weak lilm is we might get another buff on her

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200% hp lock and 100 hp extra boss damage

deft swallow
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just revert the hp lock and I think we'd be in a pretty good spot

stark mantle
solid flicker
ruby perch
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how about if she kill something wtih s3 her skill refresh and she get 100% meter advance

solid flicker
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yeah that'd be the bare minimum

ruby perch
solid flicker
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also I think it doesn't make sense that her S2 stuns I think we should make it so thta if it kills it straight up kills the whole wave

ruby perch
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also give a passive on s1 when allies are crowd control she gets 10% meter advance

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we cooking

worthy hawk
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dude i was so excited for the 2x

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now ive lost all hope

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wtf is this šŸ˜­

wind void
worthy hawk
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nothing probably

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the buffs look so stupid

solid flicker
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they're awesome for pve at least

wind void
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oh

worthy hawk
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they keep making bad decisions one after another

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it seems so doomed

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i doubt this game has a future

wind void
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yeah I guess if we get a reset event, everyone will get lattice back from diting zf_hahaha

solid flicker
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honestly, I think it's fine

worthy hawk
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who even cares about purple tofus man

solid flicker
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there has to be a "strongest" character/strategy

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it doesn't matter much if it's Liliam or something else

wind void
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I could 6* fuqiu

worthy hawk
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what other dps counters cc better than her?

wind void
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edward elric

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oh wrong game

solid flicker
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yeah ik. But like everything else in this game she has matchups and counters so I think it's fine. Also bans and prebans really make balance not such a worry

worthy hawk
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like other B tier units are completely neglected, whats already broken is being buffed for whatever reason, utterly unfun

wind void
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maybe not enough people were pulling on her banner and they wanted to boost revenue

worthy hawk
worthy hawk
solid flicker
worthy hawk
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they'll just keep buffing units who dont need it, while letting others rot. they dont hesitate to do these type of stuff to increase revenue which is unhealthy for me. and im very much convinced that the devs are not playing the game

solid flicker
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honestly, I'm pretty pleased with the diversity of playable characters and team lineups. It's not perfect, but I think it's pretty good

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the thing is, I think there are many more possibilities than most realize but we can never really experiment because of the damn cubes

worthy hawk
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hahaha quite the opposite for me, i think cubes are fine

solid flicker
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like for exemple personally my favorite character's Celince. I think she's completely op and has gone completely under the radar until now, but that's because barely anyone has had the ressources and the balls to put the cubes into her

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because if she turns out to be disappointing it is such a huge setback

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so everyone skills up the safe tested and approved characters

worthy hawk
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yeah that is true, maybe that is the true reason behind why im facing the same exact 8 units or so every game

solid flicker
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Mia is another character that looks like she gets really op when you give her 12 cubes. But who's ever gonna do that ?

worthy hawk
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but then again, i have cleared every content and have a lot of skill ups so i still dont think its that big of an issue

solid flicker
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I wish I could because I really wanna test her at her highest potential but I just can't afford to

worthy hawk
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idk dude it seems unreasonable to just max skill whoever u want, they want you to be smart with your investments after all

solid flicker
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yeah ik it is. But I still think we could have more to experiment with

worthy hawk
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like i have 57 skill ups

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ive been playing since day 1

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i think thats a good amount

worthy hawk
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6 hrs later my celince will be skilled up as well

solid flicker
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I'm about to put 11 cubes into my celince

worthy hawk
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could let u know the results as well if interested

worthy hawk
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i think i'll stop at 535

solid flicker
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Imma go to 455

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I already have her 115

worthy hawk
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im ngl i think s1 maxed is the best thing about her

solid flicker
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because she was my dps for inferno Doki

worthy hawk
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cuz it looks so fun

worthy hawk
solid flicker
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yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do when you don't get a Massiah, Kloss, Rilmocha or Rosa

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she did clear it extremely consistently tho just a little slow

worthy hawk
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just reroll bro šŸ„€

solid flicker
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hell nah I got a great account

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I just had to get a little creative

unreal cargo
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can we please add a strip to liliam s3

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and also make it so she throws chain lightnings at enemies every once in a while by passive?

west tide
unreal cargo
west tide
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Then buff her passive to also gain TM equal to the percentage of damage she dealt. If it kills the target she reduces all her CD too!

wind void
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Jokes aside, I'm curious to see how they handle the backlash of potentially overbuffing

west tide
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S3 damage increase is minimal

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The HP seal is the problem

fallen oar
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why hp seal is the problem? isnt people complaining vs bruiser? look like a lot of help with those hp seal

west tide
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100% HP seal is probably too high. But it probably needed to be that high since at 75% they will just heal back that 25% with LH šŸ¤£

silk olive
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but also means in rta if you use those characters u have to preban liliam

deft swallow
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It definitely doesnt feel as doomed as the air in the discord. I just played 6 games and they didnt pick Liliam a single time. I was able to drafted her like 4th or 5th every time, and they only banned her twice out of 6 matches. Holden still hard carrying

sly hornet
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I know the truth hurts zf_hahaha

deft swallow
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I think people have simply just not seen enough of the traditional gacha/rta scene and are instead too fixated on comparing this game with modern gacha titles (which is understandable). As an 11 year summoners war player, I have personally seen way worse and toxic metas happen throughout the evolution of that game (just to list a few: ā€¦ when giana first released she was THE meta gamechanging unit but look where she is now. We had the gany hathor make-ur-opponent-perma-afk strategy. We had unlimited oliver works with a side of cp and wind robo, and now we have bullshit passives galore. Not to mention the random cameos that happened from time to time due to overbuffed units like the Dominic incident)
Honestly speaking, this entire so called ā€œLiliam dramaā€ really just amounts to 2 kids stick fighting in the backyard and one guys got a slightly longer stick. We ainā€™t seen nothinā€™ yetā€¦there are knives, guns, and hydrogen bombs out in adult society. Donā€™t forget that this game is a marathon and not a sprint, and that even includes the releasing of new characters zf_hahaha

deft swallow
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Here I am writing walls of text again, but I if it can help some people clear their doubts of this game, I'm happy to contribute for the community.
Another issue currently at the forefront of the pvp scene in this game the bloodbath meta. Is it a problem? Absolutely. But I think it only just "feels" extra bad because there simply just isnt a whole lot of viable strategies in the first place. Whats happening is that with only the few dozen units in this game designed for pvp, as soon as somebody finds a composition that is even slightly better/counters more units in general, everybody starts abusing the crap out of it and suddenly it feels like, for the people who have not invested into a counter archetype (which is perfectly understandable given the difficulty of pve and scarcity of resources in the early game), hell on earth. These are the people who then come to voice their concerns, and suddenly you get an environment where everyone seems like they are constantly mad. I'd say, give it a year or so, wait for a few dozen units to come out, and then make the judgement. I genuinely don't think this game has shown any of the "powercreep" qualities we look out for in modern titles; its just that we havn't seen what has yet to come, and this is worsened by people growing more and more impatient in the big 2025

harsh inlet
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I agree until the liliam buff happend

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I think the blood bath and bruiser meta problem was exaggerated

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and we needed more time to know how to handle just like rev last season

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Ppl didn't find that u can hard counter it with bloodbath + lighthouse until some time into s0

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But liliam after the buff is just power creep

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The unit is so cancer to deal with if the enemy player is even half competent

vapid timber
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can i reset my liliam please

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shes dogshit

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not rage baiting dv_frogKekOwO i fucked up by 555ing her isntead of 535 her dv_frogKekOwO

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my rengo ttk is >1min because of that dv_frogKekOwO

obtuse meteor
vapid timber
marble coral
mortal jacinth
vapid timber
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my s2 being at level 5 reduce the hp to under 60 hence my 2nd ult do less dmg

mortal jacinth
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god that's funny

dark mortar
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does the increase animus shield provided passive buff artisan?

uneven juniper
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His S1 is applied off round start stats

worthy hawk
vapid timber