Liliam is lackluster

[cold flicker]

the guy on the video i linked has a BB liliam and still oneshots cc units

[mortal jacinth]

Correct. When Vice is sealed he never heals others, too, and when units in ember trek were sealed they couldn't ever cleanse the poison debuff from last time either

Lingluo also constantly spams and wastes her heals when units are sealed because she thinks they're missing HP

It's really sloppy

[deft swallow]

okay, now yall are just trolling and taking stuff out of context. I get it. Believe who you will--the playtesting from the best players in the world or these 🤡 s in the chat

[mortal jacinth]

It's the best players in the world who've been saying the doomposting is overwrought who the hell are you talking about

[harsh inlet]

literally the same argument

[solid flicker]

so it doesn't count you as being max hp, but still lets Tiamat have full output ? what ?

am I understanding you right ?

[harsh inlet]

no unit ever outright one shots bb tanks

[mortal jacinth]

Oh no sorry, I thought you meant the base hp scaling damage. It should neuter the 'current hp' part yes

[solid flicker]

I think everyone of the best players in the world said she was really strong

[cold flicker]

i guess hp lock just lowers ur current hp, never mess the "max hp" lines

[deft swallow]

nobodys asking her to os bb tanks...

[cold flicker]

so it works on tiamat second line

that says "her current hp"

[harsh inlet]

then what?

[solid flicker]

yeah so it does permanently cripple Tiamat

[harsh inlet]

we have seen her one shot squishy target so many times by now

what do u want

[vague crest]

it doesnt matter she needs to use her ult 2-3 times on bruisers. Just a waste of a slot vs bruiser

[harsh inlet]

who else doesn't?

[mortal jacinth]

I wouldn't say cripple but it does knock her down a chunk

Once she's super super low it's crippling

[harsh inlet]

the problem is keeping her alive

[solid flicker]

you're saying that like bruiser games aren't literally purposed to cycle several ults ?

[harsh inlet]

cuz bruisers hit like a truck

[solid flicker]

I can see her being a good pairing with Freya because that defense buff gives her the tankiness she needs against these bruisers, plus the nightmare and push are very nice

dispells are always an issue tho

[vague crest]

just dont pick her into bruiser .....

[deft swallow]

like maybe winning against a team like this?
or actually being able to os the kaz?

[cold flicker]

the atk down debuff is invisible for u?

[vague crest]

jackal on her

wtf is this

[deft swallow]

lol, self atk up btw

[cold flicker]

also jackal

xD

[deft swallow]

why is her damage the same as other units with no atk buff

[cold flicker]

nice matrix she has

[vague crest]

alrdy lose like 400 atk alone from the shell stats

[solid flicker]

it doesn't even matter that she doesn't 1shot tho

[deft swallow]

liliam not on jackal, shes on LOS

[cold flicker]

nice LOS skin

[deft swallow]

not that one

the other

[cold flicker]

why u posting 2 diff liliam than xD

[deft swallow]

and even so, she should have no reason to lose into this kind of CC heavy comp even on jackal

[deft swallow]

2 different points im trying to convey

[cold flicker]

the cc guy have double rev

she lost to rev

not to cc

[vague crest]

thats a rev comp

he pivot and ruind her in draft

[coarse sorrel]

as much as I like these LoS cooks to broaden what you can draft her into, shes more like a 4-5 pick when your opp has 4 picked thats literalyl close to no dmg+cc

and even then i think she should be on count or anything with Bulwark

like you are drafting into kaz

why are we eating atk down for fun

who cares if the unit is niche

[deft swallow]

its...helkid and freya rev. Yes, it is rev, but then what type of comp can she actually win agains then?

[coarse sorrel]

its the same shit as gachas like e7

you draft her situationally

lmao

[deft swallow]

the enemy team needs to pick exactly obol, mia, lily, kaz, lilith?

[cold flicker]

"buT Ld UnItS ShoUlD be GoOd in EveRy SceNaRio"

🤡

[vague crest]

i dip out of this cant win a argument

[coarse sorrel]

its like complaining about why you cant draft hoyan giga early

lmao

???

[vague crest]

its like explaining pre rev nerf why they shouldnt do it

[deft swallow]

situationally is to a degree. When theres no practical situation in which she actually shines over other units, then whats the point of the unit?

[coarse sorrel]

its a fucking pvp gacha game LOL is every unit supposed to be 1-2 material?

[cold flicker]

QUkong most ended rta in top0, he saw top10 players drafting liliam and still say she sucks

and some of them badly draft

[deft swallow]

wat, they drafted her and lost 70% of the games

[cold flicker]

cause they draft her into bruisers

are u blind?

[coarse sorrel]

i come in here =every day

its the same dumb reasoning

and complaint about it being a "premium unit" so it should do everything

[cold flicker]

PVE players

go back to HSR pls

🤡

[deft swallow]

the entire argument here is that theres no "situational" comp right now that really supports her drafting.

[coarse sorrel]

what the fuck is the point of thinking about a draft if every unit on realease can be slotted anywhere in the draft

[deft swallow]

whats the fucking poing of releasing a unit whose situation to be drafted in doesnt exist

im trying to have an actual logical and civilized conversation here, but too many trolls in chat

[harsh inlet]

no one said she should be drafted vs pure cc team only

u made that up

[deft swallow]

then what should she be drafted in

enlighten me

[cold flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MAwx4D-2o i link the video again just for u, u jsut need to watch the 1st 1 or 2 mins

[harsh inlet]

any mixed team

[cold flicker]

the guy explain why she is good

[solid flicker]

I mean you'd be surprised by how often something like that actually happens I think

[deft swallow]

already the second game I see poor speedtuning

[uneven juniper]

I’m all for units to come out that aren’t meta but I’m not down for false advertising

[solid flicker]

or something close to that

[deft swallow]

obols strips los and game is over

[cold flicker]

he even explains he won one of the matches even with liliam banned

simply bc liliam puts pressure in the draft

[coarse sorrel]

heres your situation

sorry that people dont pick into it because they know they instantly lose

and they have to respect the pick

its like counter pick units cant exist

[deft swallow]

and how about you look whos doing the actual lifting in that team...

she wins because the rest of her team wins it for her

actual cheerleader ong

[coarse sorrel]

so were just gonna ignore the fact that if this goes frenzy 5, we dont win

lmao?

[peak saffron]

the rest of the team is very weak wdym I seen this holden character got buffed recently surely hes weak

[deft swallow]

this argument is too unintelligible. Time will tell how effective she is. Im going for dinner now see yall later

[peak saffron]

have a nice dinner

[coarse sorrel]

apparently you dont play games that have rta

cant comprehend niche units

[ruby perch]

i love lilm

building her for sure

[deft swallow]

For sure, I love her too. Pulled 2 dupes and invested 6 lattice into her. Doesn’t change the fact that she’s a “niche” character whose niche currently doesnt exist tho

[upbeat cedar]

once amber stops cleansing injury its joever for tiamat

idk if its bugged or not but presumably bugged rn

[cold flicker]

amber is the most random shell ever

sometimes works

sometimes dont

[placid ingot]

Easily countered by popular units like anyone with atk down like Kaz and Viper strip too, Hein buff block, anyone with slow like Lilith, dies to hard-hitting bruiser/cleave units while not killing them, kit too spread thin; She needs more setup than initially thought. Top RTA players' rosters are wide enough to counter Liliam's strengths. It seems to me she may have been great pick in S0. But with their balancing in S1 where both bruisers and cleavers start building into CC units, her niche just got even smaller. And like the good people here who are asking for her buffs, I think an LD SSR shouldnt be this difficult to use.

||The worst thing is, she reminds me of not having pulled Doki ||

[ruby perch]

i just finish watching the tournament matches today

noodle

ill still build her

kekker yeli rev big dmg

some of the lilm werent really lattice except for one match

it did decent dmg

also i agree the -atk is so easily accesible

[fallen oar]

Alicorn liliam

[ruby perch]

making lilm not do any dmg since she not on rev

[ruby perch]

i have seen some gimmic combos though

with her

decent in casual rta or mid rank

not in the hightest rank

like freya rev into lilm aoe stun

its pretty nasty

[soft quarry]

[modern oar]

New hype character used only as a counter drop ban fodder to CC as 100% of players set up their bruiser team… Not looking good 💀

At least she can nuke Sanya for about 10% HP with that massive single target damage.

[terse moss]

Veronica did more damage than liliam

[hollow arrow]

[flat obsidian]

the thing is.. Yeli, Messiah, Rosa can do that too 😄 but she kills EVERYONE without BB.. Liliam kills 1..

[flat obsidian]

haha

[vapid timber]

Thats what supposed to happen in. A bb lliam

Ure supposed to sustain maybe 2-4x ult

[terse moss]

Liliam so bad that i picked cc into her

Pls buff

[scarlet onyx]

Kazuyo counter by break atq xD

Its good only vs few CC and only if no dps, heal, break atq, stall, counter bruiser

[lime escarp]

Did bro really use Makoto and Tiamat in the same team? 💀

[vague crest]

why is it bad?

looks like a take away pick

[dire jackal]

Just garbage draft

Tiamat is dogshit into bruiser matchup he trapprd himself by drafting her early

[leaden marten]

bruiser players not inting in draft challenge: Impossible

i will give them the benefit of the doutb

seems like they were trying to do a challenge of some sorts

its not just early tiamat pick

ling fp is troll tia 2p is troll lilliam 3p is troll

[dire jackal]

Also found a unit that shits on bruisers this season

[leaden marten]

pog

[tame pasture]

when is reset, wanna get back 11 latice i invest on liliam

[lean sable]

any update for liliam?

[prisma pier]

Looks like radio silence still. If the community keeps going crazy like they are, something could happen

There are two sides right now. The side of her being trash, and the side of her being fine/good

[lean sable]

she just seems meh for a l/d unit

[prisma pier]

Both are being condescending to each other

[lean sable]

Like if she was a rgb unit I wouldn't mind as much

but compared to what the other l/d can do? ya

[prisma pier]

I agree, but there are a lot of people on here that are supposed “high level PVP” that have been glazing her nonstop, and talking down to everyone who doesn’t agree

[lean sable]

I dont think she is trash but definitely needs revamped

[hollow arrow]

she is mediocre and 12 lattices is more worth on somewhere else

anti cc good but not that worth it in my opinion

[prisma pier]

I agree. A lot of the player base was looking to her to be the next Diting, basically. She was marketed as being a massive single target nuke on her release vids

So people feel cheated, and I think that’s fair

Instead, we got a niche PvP pick that will be useful to likely 2% of the playerbase, if that

[quartz geyser]

no we were hoping she would be a counter to these fkn brusisers

noone cared if she was another diting

[prisma pier]

At this point, I don’t think it’s about being right or wrong. I think it’s about doing right by your player base, and if they aren’t happy, let them reset

[prisma pier]

You do not speak for everyone

[prisma pier]

Some people did, and when you’re marketed as a “massive single target damage”, people can be rightfully upset that she isn’t everything she was shown to be

[quartz geyser]

i mean you were just speaking for everyone

and i was saying no more people at least competitive people were asking for a tank killer

[prisma pier]

“A lot of the player Base” is not speaking for everyone. You spoke in an absolute, I did not. You need to read, friend.

[quartz geyser]

no i said we

no all

so i used the same collective as you

[prisma pier]

Which still account for a minority of players

You didn’t reference what “we” meant there. You weren’t clear, which is why your message came off as condescending

As such, it came across as an absolute

And a blanket statement

Based off the community reactions in this very sub, most seem to be upset. It’s not a crazy leap

[quartz geyser]

sure we, us, all, some, who the fk cares, are unhappy with what was told vs what she does sure, i was just saying "the reason" of another diting was not the common talk before her release

every discord post spoke about her as the next answer to tiamat and tanks

all youtube videos hoped shed be a tank counter

no-one was talking like she was gonna be the next pve god

cause everyone was looking at her for pvp (in the pvp game)

[prisma pier]

It was inferred based on her marketing, and plenty of people had referenced it as such. You didn’t see that, and that’s fine. Some people saw what they wanted to. No YouTube videos I saw claimed what you are saying. Hence why this conversation isn’t productive. We are going to have to agree to disagree

[prisma pier]

Wrong. Again, you are speaking for everyone

You need to choose your words better

[prisma pier]

Also wrong

People may have been misinformed, sure

But they had every reason to believe she could be based on the marketing shown

That’s my issue with her

[deft swallow]

you know the only thing i want bro?
for her passive to actually WORK PROPERLY. It doesnt even stop amber pushback. Devs straight up lying to my face

amber could be a real cook if it didnt pushback her

[quartz geyser]

i mean celence's passive block dosnt even work vs her

since they coded it as a CC so she immune to her own counter

[prisma pier]

I think there are a lot of issues with her, and people feel like they’ve been cheated. Whether they’re right or wrong, devs could definitely show the playerbase they’re listening, and do a reset for those with buyers remorse, which there are A LOT

[deft swallow]

crazy bugfest of a game

[prisma pier]

Facts

[sly hornet]

The white knights are so insufferable at this point the showcase of liliam was showed with her on revelation and her ult looked like a multi hit so people were expecting her to be the next diting even better but it was entirely a false advertisement that's my issue with the whole scenario I stated this at an earlier post but they were clowning me as if they don't understand the point m trying to make

If they just said liliam is a more leaning pvp unit with a single target ult in the showcase m 100% sure there won't even be any drama concerning this unit

[vague crest]

that doesnt make sense you could saw her before she was out that she doesnt multi hit so all this false advertisment argument is stupid to begin with

[coarse sorrel]

shit dude, injury and stun at <hp% threshholds, definitely a pve bosser

[flat token]

people dont read it has been confirmed already

[sly hornet]

So a unit cannot function both in pve and pvp???

[wild coyote]

And honestly, they did advertise her as a pvp unit. Most units they throw the "effective at both pve and pvp" in the showcase video. For her, they only said "deadly in pvp". I'm 90% sure of that

[sly hornet]

How about the devs make clear on what their unit does before release

[coarse sorrel]

so half the units kit is pvp and we cvome up with the conclusion and expecctation that this is the next diting and then we blame it as false advertisement?

lmao wtf?

[sly hornet]

And they showed her with revelation and the ult animation looking like a multi hits

[vague crest]

whats your point? you saw her kit before you could even pull

[flat token]

in a video 😄

[coarse sorrel]

better not read the kit on actual release

just PULL!!!

keep going max dupe and keep[ the game f2p for me

tyty

[verbal flower]

ur mad cause ur basing it off an animation… when they actually released the skill set with text and numbers they were actually the same as what the advertised

[coarse sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-party-gif-22113017

[verbal flower]

genuinely insane complaint by u

[coarse sorrel]

this is on par with the people saying she does "massive damage"

i cant

[sly hornet]

What are u even talking about

[sly hornet]

M not mad it's their game they can do whatever but they need to be clear of what their unit does when releasing the showcase

[verbal flower]

“her ult looked like a multi hit and had revelation”

[coarse sorrel]

so we dont read the text? the actual description of the skill?

[flat token]

#1400397399738024036 message

32k dmg on bb

its pretty good

[coarse sorrel]

im not saying shes bad

was making fun of the players who pulled and complain she doesnt do damage

then you look at their builds

[flat token]

oh yeah

[vague crest]

im confused why are you mad now? I assume you didnt pull her

[flat token]

the 50 cr gigabyte players 😄

[verbal flower]

like in the skill description they gave after the video… and in game archive where it was the same numbers… oh ur mad they didnt show the exact right build in their video? like what is this.

go away

[flat token]

not like you can have multiple different builds in this game

with how diversed shells are

and playstyles

[wild coyote]

You guys have to be more honest. No one here pulled her unaware that she was single hit on S3. You had perfect information to work with. So this argument is disingenuous

[silk olive]

They just want a unit that can kill anything and don't care about balance

[sly hornet]

U can literally go at volkin first impressions on her showcase even he thought that was a multi hit

[verbal flower]

Ok…

[wild coyote]

At first impression, not when pulling. You didn't pre-order, did you?

[silk olive]

It doesn't matter there was a reason they didn't post skills in the initial video

You had the details of the unit when they dropped

Make informed decisions and read

[coarse sorrel]

in the video too

but i assume you dont read

so sorry

[sly hornet]

M not even saying this for me I have 0 lattice and exp invested in my liliam m talking about people who have spent max dupes and lattice thinking she was pve

[verbal flower]

This is like seeing the outside of an electric vehicle then u buy it and then realize omg this isnt a gas powered vehicle?? I saw a video of it driving through the mountains.

[vague crest]

no way you are this invested on behalf of others

[silk olive]

And that's not the devs fault

[sly hornet]

I am actually

[mortal jacinth]

Volkin is a nice guy but he's also quite dim

[silk olive]

Nor should they buff because people expected her to replace dting

[sly hornet]

I can show u my acc she has 0 investment

[vague crest]

no your not. the way you talk here and those shitty points you make

sound like someone who went full bozo

[mortal jacinth]

Nobody is looking to Volkin for depth of analysis

[verbal flower]

Actually insane behavior

[coarse sorrel]

i say the same thing everyday:

1. youre either that much of a glue sniffer
2. youre rage baiting

[vague crest]

but you pulled her because?

[silk olive]

I'm all for buffing units when needed but this was going to be a pvp unit as soon as I read her kit. There is no need for her to be buffed atm

[sly hornet]

0 investment

[fleet sky]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[sly hornet]

So u can stop spewing trash

[coarse sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

aite convo over

just another rage baited

[harsh inlet]

big part of the community degraded to doom boosting smooth brain

[coarse sorrel]

or let them and their glue sit in peace

[verbal flower]

exofate on the list

[harsh inlet]

all the legit issues with the game are getting mixed with these braindead takes

[silk olive]

Have u seen reddit lmao

Its worse there

[harsh inlet]

I saw general

[fleet sky]

Yup. It's a circle jerk of whining that drama ccs get to feed off
They will find the smallest thing to complain about in hopes of a reset event

[wild coyote]

Have you seen the gachagaming take on etheria? That shit made me believe eos was real

The average person does NOT like this game lmao

[coarse sorrel]

guys why cant borgne do rengo

his preview says massive damage

[silk olive]

The average person wants to be given everything in their mouth on a silver platter with no work so I can believe it

[coarse sorrel]

and aoe

[sly hornet]

U were the one who white knighted your self into my reply u rage baited your self

[harsh inlet]

tbh the worst thing is this liliam drama

[fleet sky]

M A S S I V E

[harsh inlet]

it's just straight up lies getting circled

it's insane

[coarse sorrel]

i give them a chance

but theyre too bored and rage baiting

or theyre actually 2 braincells fighting each other for air

[fleet sky]

I'm genuinely wondering what non-whale goes into a banner day 1 without letting people test first

[silk olive]

So what are u the dark knight then saying stuff so they would do something that's completely unnecessary

[verbal flower]

went from omg this unit will break the game and is clear power creep to omg this unit is trash an false advertising free reset NOW in the span of 2 hours

[solid flicker]

tbf, couldn't Borgne do rengo ? he's tanky and does nice damage, plus he has lifesteal

[verbal flower]

genuine beggers or w/e will get them free shit.

[silk olive]

No one does unless they are dumb

[harsh inlet]

like asking for reset after season end was a legit request

[fleet sky]

Are you sembu btw? I've seen multiple charmander avatars now

[mortal jacinth]

I threw a single multi at it as is my tradition for all releases and got her

[harsh inlet]

but this liliam shit is just madness

[silk olive]

I mean yes and no they didn't really nerf anything but they could have done it for community satisfaction

[sly hornet]

I was replying to someone who agreed to what I was saying I was not talking to y'all if u disagree u could have ignored and move along but here u are rage baiting yourself

[solid flicker]

imma say thank god Liliam doesn't tank bust otherwise what wouldn't she do lmao

[fleet sky]

I got mine off standard while Tiamat hunting

[harsh inlet]

yeah but it's a reasonable request wither they follow on it or not

[silk olive]

Oh I'm not raging lmao I could care less about drama, people need to understand every unit that releases doesn't have to nuke pve and one shot in pvp, that's how you throw balance out of the picture and u get into a loop of next unit kills the next thing

[harsh inlet]

but asking for reset cuz liliam does literallty no dmg and is bugged is just amazing

[solid flicker]

I 80'ed mine 🔥 🔥 💯

[harsh inlet]

they are still saying this shit

[fleet sky]

I'm with you on this

[wild coyote]

This is my whole problem with XD. They're often in the right, but people are stupid. So it doesn't matter. They lose players in the end whether or not they're in the right. So I think they should listen to the crying some more, just to appeal to the community, even if they did nothing wrong.

[fleet sky]

but the team is sneaky. Buffed characters and nerfed shells

no need to give reset

[sly hornet]

Like I said before I don't care if she hits like a wet noodle or a truck m just saying they could have been clearer in their showcase to avoid drama

[coarse sorrel]

at the end of the day they know their target audience and they see where characters shine; XD doesnt look at the stupid takes

[solid flicker]

every part of this is absolutely hilarious btw

[fleet sky]

[harsh inlet]

the drama is because she does no dmg not because it's not multi hit

[silk olive]

Yea I kind of wish they did a shell recall kind of like how e7 does when they nerf their artifacts to appease people. I don't mind a reset event it's just I think they want people to live with their lattice decisions

[harsh inlet]

which is a straight up lie

[silk olive]

Otherwise there is no insensitive for people to spend on lattices

[sly hornet]

If that ult was a 5 hitter on reve would she not be the best DPS in the game?

[harsh inlet]

yang hits 6

is he the best dps in the game?

[solid flicker]

yeah I was bouta say that's basically Yang

[harsh inlet]

regardless

that's not what the majority are complaining about

[coarse sorrel]

he probably was pre nerf and giga gear

[harsh inlet]

this is a just you situation

ppl are complaining she does no dmg

multi or not lol

[sly hornet]

He is not an ld SSR dmg dealer Before d reve nerf he was considered insane one shotter

[coarse sorrel]

so is ssania, where is she in pvp

[harsh inlet]

again it's not about multi hit or not

just scroll general for a bit

they keep spewing she does no dmg

[coarse sorrel]

THEY DONT READ!!

[sly hornet]

U are rage baiting yourself again I don't know why u are replying my comment

[coarse sorrel]

because everything you say is baseless

just stay off the feedback forums if your takes make absolutely 0 sense

[harsh inlet]

I have never such madness on any other gacha community

or any game community

[sly hornet]

In your brain

[harsh inlet]

just straight cult behaviour at this point

[sly hornet]

I will still make my point

U can cry about it

[coarse sorrel]

enjoy your day

keep talkin to the walls

[sly hornet]

U are d one replying to me weirdo

[sly hornet]

Do let the door hit u on the way out

[verbal flower]

i want a muzzle role in this discord that stops people from posting in the feedback section

exo should be the first one with it

[sly hornet]

Not gonna happen

[sly hornet]

Cry more fool

[mortal jacinth]

He's pretty insane on rev as a utility unit with some dps though yes

Wow they first time sembu has ever agreed with me, historic

[sly hornet]

They are so disingenuous and they know it shifting the goal post up and down

[fleet sky]

I knew it was sembu

wasn't used to him talking and not clown replying

[mortal jacinth]

I don't understand what anyone is even arguing about anymore

[fleet sky]

the plot is lost

delete the thread and start over

[mortal jacinth]

I've decided to shift to my own thread where I praise their event design that has no attraction power whatsoever

[verbal flower]

im just giving my feedback which is to silence "players" like exo. which isnt gonna happen just like ur reset event or w/e it is you want

[coarse sorrel]

they moved on from clown to parrots

[flat obsidian]

100% !! but let the Haters (Kawaii) support the devs

But as i said before.. we have to live with it 🙂 No Feedback from devs.. not even a single word.. In my Union a few casher already left 😄 And with the information for the summon event.. 1 week before the new heroes will be released.. thats even a bigger ******* move of the devs.. why dont help the community and give them the event when Liliam or the other Animus will be released?

[uneven juniper]

This feels targeted

[deft swallow]

How about they actually fix her passive to work with amber turn meter pushback

that’s the only thing I want at this point

[flat obsidian]

i just want more dmg in pve 😛 that i dont alwys have to use dit..

[uneven juniper]

Don’t worry

They will nerf diting and make her the primary dps in pve content other than Yeli

[wind void]

Just use your Yeli of course

[flat obsidian]

Or leave the game 😄

[deft swallow]

she’s actually surprisingly usable in rengo since she has self atk buff so you can replace your valerian with lingluo and get possibly more consistent runs

haven’t tested it myself yet tho

[worthy hawk]

lololol true

[flat obsidian]

on paper everything is good 😄

[scarlet onyx]

And on reality diting bulwark is better

[worthy hawk]

i just got a borgne upgrade, 4 speed!

[mossy folio]

Like this?

[sly hornet]

Did you also see the revelation on her

[mossy folio]

You said there wouldn’t be any drama if they’d just mentioned she was a PvP unit.

Well they did.

Now you’re talking about something else. So work out what the goalposts are first and I’ll come back later 🤣

[sly hornet]

U just came here to be stupid so go and crawl back to the hole u came from

Cause my original post was saying that her showcase being on revelation and her ult looking like multi hits gave the illusion she could be both a pve and pvp character the next diting

In damage

Also if u don't agree with what I said u can just keep it pushing but u here to display stupidity

[mortal jacinth]

Do you believe the claims in every single commercial you see on TV by the way?

[sly hornet]

And u are under there summon event crying for summons so it's clear u just came here to be stupid

[mossy folio]

I'm really living rent free in your head right now aren't I

[fickle geode]

[silk olive]

so your trying to roast people after complaining that lilliam needs a buff for the entire week

[sly hornet]

Who did!!!!

U re crazyyyyy

Where did I say liliam need a buff

U are insane

[leaden marten]

Aren't you the same guy who's been saying she is bugged while clearly not bugged

[sly hornet]

Wtf are u talking about

[silk olive]

apparently u talk about it alot

[fleet sky]

oh lawd, they're jumping Exo

lemme grab the popcorn

[sly hornet]

Ya just dumb

[fleet sky]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-back-gang-fight-gif-13312078259119098072

[coarse sorrel]

dam and i have the creature blocked so its even better

[sly hornet]

Not gonna stop me from making my point

[coarse sorrel]

[fleet sky]

do your thing

[sly hornet]

Has me blocked but still talks about me

[fleet sky]

stand on business

[sly hornet]

Just saw your loser ass there being stupid as normal

[rich atlas]

why do those damn white knights talk about the game they like inside the games discord WHAT ARE THEY THINKING

[mossy folio]

insufferable clowns!

[sly hornet]

Oh u got time on your hands I was replying to people who were talking about the same issue so your point?

[silk olive]

LOL

that took 3 secoonds

[mossy folio]

For you maybe. Stop being insensitive. Bro can't read it's harder for him

[silk olive]

tho point is, complain about actual issues not about reading comprehension

im all about complaing about actual issues

doinng stuff like this makes the actual problems be moot

like how bb is unbalanced since rev is nerfed

[sly hornet]

U are the one here with reading comprehension because u braindead

[silk olive]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[wind void]

This thread is constructive

[rich atlas]

is this clown whining because he pulled liliam based on a random video instead of waiting 2 seconds to read her skills? that's what i'm getting here

[sly hornet]

Cry more

[silk olive]

yes

thats all that happened

[rich atlas]

cant believe i paused my game for this

[mossy folio]

I'm sticking up for you!

Geez you can't even be nice to people on the internet now

[rich atlas]

shame on all of you!

[leaden marten]

Wow this is pathetic

[wind void]

Guys don't let liliam tear us apart like this

c'mon

[rich atlas]

im going back to inferno thread where we can laugh at important things like bug not having heinrich

[wind void]

we should band together like the true mob we are and riot

[fickle geode]

https://tenor.com/view/klown-klownin-cuh-cuhs-headed-to-klown-town-gif-14840221

[wind void]

but realistically what are people hoping Liliam would be? Basically Diting 2.0?

[peak saffron]

someone who doesnt get outdpsed by sybil

😭

[fleet sky]

pretty much. Every DPS going forward will be compared to diting despite their niche

[sly hornet]

If she was a multi hitter with her s3 with revelation which it looked like in the showcase she would have been maybe even better

[fleet sky]

Whoever is making the animus trailers, stop using the word 'massive'

[sly hornet]

And m pointing out that those stuff mislead people thinking she was a pve and pvp unit

That's all I said

[wind void]

Seems understandable if her showcase was misleading, but I've been playing Epic 7 for like 7 years and I've learned not to be baited by showcases

[sly hornet]

Bruh my liliam is unbuilt

I waited till she was out and review before pulling her

[wind void]

I did pull Liliam and she's currently 5/1/4. I've only tried her in PVP against cleave and CC but she does fine

[silk olive]

You know what's going to happen because people like this complain they will nerf dting and then buff Lilliam just to make people happy and then people will complain again

Endless cycle

[wind void]

nah they won't nerf diting

[sly hornet]

All my lattice went into yeli

[deft swallow]

No, don’t they DARE nerf diting

[wind void]

diting is the f2p version of yeli, they won't nerf him

[sly hornet]

Like said they just trying to stupid because I was speaking on how if things were clearer we would not have this drama on liliam

And they said I must have spent 12 lattice on her

[peak saffron]

"chatgpt please do not use the word massive anymore, it is giving our viewers the wrong idea"

@fleet sky

[wind void]

I know this is a running joke, but it genuinely makes me happy to log in to Epic 7

[fleet sky]

Problem solved 😂

[peak saffron]

im somewhat of a developer myself

[mortal jacinth]

The guy who wanted Massiah nerfed has balls to talk like that lmao

Tweedledum ass mf

Draft so bad Seiishizo said he inted on stream

[silk olive]

Wait what

H wanted mass nerfed

[wind void]

nerf massiah and buff all bruisers

nerf liliam

buff obol so his S3 strips 3 buffs prior to stun

[mortal jacinth]

Yep. Did a whole big rant video and spent a bunch of time talking about how broken and uninteractive Mass cleave is and how he's toxic for the entire game

Useful as a window into the mind of an uncritical thinker but not useful as a reflection of anything real

[coarse sorrel]

I know he dumb dumb at this game and I don't watch him but the comment is gold

[mortal jacinth]

He's entertaining for sure yeah

[coarse sorrel]

Only time I watched him was get beat

Guess that's why he complained about mass

He had no bb built

[mortal jacinth]

He threatened to slap whoever designed Rengo in that same video iirc lmao

[mossy folio]

deserved

[mortal jacinth]

I thought it was a bold and respectable move for someone who was invited to their HQ on a sponsored trip

But he didn't follow through

[silk olive]

Is he still playing?

Or did he end up quitting

[mortal jacinth]

Gacha Smack? Idk, I don't sub, but I assume he still plays

[mossy folio]

He just posted a new Etheria video today reviewing his account and going over how he farms everything

[odd hound]

It's true that his S3 is uninteractive and toxic, just like Yeli's S3, just like how so many things in this game target whole team hence no consideration whatsoever

[leaden marten]

wtf are you on about

[odd hound]

In a way Liliam is actually a fresh take on new SSR. She requires proper prioritization and has glaring weaknesses. It's just that other SSRs are already too braindead

[twin flame]

But in a game where almost every SSR is op she feels really bad

[odd hound]

Say you're playing Liliam against a bruiser team. Do you start by S3ing Lingluo or Tiamat? Would she be fast enough to follow up with S2? If you have both S2 and S3, do you S2 for that chance of teamwide stun, or do you guarantee with S3? Do you change target to that half HP support? There are many considerations when it comes to playing Liliam.

Most SSRs in Etheria are one trick pony "use ultimate ASAP, target their whole team" uninteractive gameplay, so more than 50% of the strategy lies in gearing and drafting instead of the actual gameplay itself.

Unfortunately Liliam just doesn't fit in that category, which is why she feels weak.

[leaden marten]

cleave units are about who they should target

ofc they are gonna use their AoE first

[odd hound]

since there's no targeting with AoE units, there's often no consideration in this game when it comes to using ult. Especially with rev activation window.

[leaden marten]

every day im being bombarded by these low elo takes

[leaden marten]

@dire jackal save me

[odd hound]

Objectively, most things in this game target whole team. This is a fact, not a low ELO take

[mortal jacinth]

What he meant was that there's nothing you can do against it

[dire jackal]

Rev design in itself is a issue but so are many other things in the game, bloodbath is not fine, law is not fine, etherena effect are not fine, overloaded skills are not fine BUT the game was healthier last season than this one. Skills like messiah s3 are the sole starter of why bb should exist in the game but the current state of stacked dr makes even that overloaded skill look lackluster

[odd hound]

In other turn based we often have formations, so some skills will pierce to backline, some skills target 3, some skills target all.

In Etheria with the very rare exception you either target ALL or ONE.

[royal edge]

thats just bad game balance from etheria, but doesnt rlly make messiah or yeli s3 broken

[dire jackal]

Target multiple than 1 is dogshit in itself ah yes lemme hit 100% on unit i want and gamble on other 3

[odd hound]

I never said Massiah and Yeli are specifically broken. I said they are uninteractive.

[dire jackal]

All or 1 is fine

[royal edge]

if massiah and yeli nvr existed, then you would say liliam is uninteractive, light and shadow brother

[dire jackal]

Yeli isnt interactive?

[odd hound]

Liliam is interactive because she is inherently single target only, which means there's decision-making when it comes to targeting. Other characters often target all. At least Yeli still chooses which unit to follow up with S1, but for example Obol is straight up just AoE

[dire jackal]

Yeli might be one of most interactive dps units in entire game as of right now

[odd hound]

Grim

[royal edge]

so what do you reckon, removing them from the game?

[odd hound]

No, the game design already leans into that. It's too late.

[wild coyote]

I 100% agree

They fucked up making everything aoe

[royal edge]

no, your logic is flawed

[royal edge]

the game wouldnt exist in any state without an aoe cleaver

[dire jackal]

Also there was p interactive aoe last season! There were skills like mio, heinrich and still few others not fixed that if u dont target a unit with counter they wouldnt counter including makoto retaliation state it would count as hit

[proven marsh]

Difference is Yeli is a cleave unit. Cleave units by design are meant to win the game turn 1. If you don't kill turn 1 you most likely lost the game. It's a high risk high reward thing. That's just how cleave operates

[dire jackal]

Ok lets look at meta dps units how many of them are aoe based units

[frosty pulsar]

Liliam has aoe stun >: (

so that's 1

[leaden marten]

wait till he hears thats how cleave worked for decades in this genre

[odd hound]

AoE skills also exist in other turn based games. But they're always either low damage, requires 1-turn pre-casting, or high cost ultimate. Etheria's game design (no formation, most skills target all characters, the only skill resource is cooldown) inherently discourages in-game decision making.

[wild coyote]

Cleave is usually shit in RTA tho, we don't see Lushen dominate in SW for example. By contrast, in S0 the only single target dps being played was Hoyan...?

[proven marsh]

Exactly like cleave is meant to be AoE lmao. Idk what the problem is

[royal edge]

hence the 10 min matches we have now cos cleave is dead?

[leaden marten]

i was rank 1 in sw for several seasons and cleave basically operated the same in sw

[royal edge]

anyways if the game wants us to set up for cleave to still work, they are def doing a terrible job

[leaden marten]

for a decade

like exact same in etheria

[dire jackal]

There is a total of 2 aoe based units atm 1 being messiah and other being tiamat. Majority of other dps units dmg is based on single target dmg. Rahu, makoto, holden, lilith, hoyan, borgne, khloros are all dps based on single target primarily with some of them having aoe dmg. Cleave as gameplay is u either kill turn or u die so its aoe. Example being rev they either won game turn 1 or lost. With rev gone majority of aoe units are no longer cleave units.

[odd hound]

Why this obsession with """"cleave"""" when it's a term that pops out from SW or E7, even though turn based RPGs already exist longer than these games?

Regardless of strength, almost everything in this game target whole team not just """cleave""" but also debuffs ccs and even buffs

[leaden marten]

cause this game is a direct competitor SW and its the same genre

like jesus

darkest dungeon is a turn based rpg

its not the same genre

you have to comprae etheria to sw

not to darkest dungeon

cleave has to exist in this genre for games meta to be healthy

its that simple

[dire jackal]

I mean even if we look at healers only 1 has 2 aoe heals. Sania, chiaki, dorothy are all single target. Imagine u have a ult and its some dogshit single target stun and it gets purged would u build that unit

[odd hound]

And that game design will always result in the same cycle of cleave bruise cc, and Liliam as a character with actual targeting will not fit in well, is what I'm saying.

[dire jackal]

Imagine kraken, obol, kazuyo, lilith were all st on ult do u think game would be good

[wild coyote]

I was never remotely good in SW, so I might be wrong

But I got the impression that like

[dire jackal]

Liliam is literally top 10 unit in pvp meta atm

[wild coyote]

arena = lushenfest, but in RTA it's rare to just outspeed->cleave and win

[leaden marten]

depends on meta

for almost a decade

outspeed > cleave win

[proven marsh]

Will not fit well? Top players are drafting her and having success with her atm tho?

[leaden marten]

was a thing

[odd hound]

No, but imagine if we have formations in Etheria, and Obol targets the front line, Kazuyo pierces to the backline, while Lilith only targets the backline. But that only happens in another world.

[proven marsh]

Yep pretty much on the dot

[dire jackal]

Make your own game then that sounds like ass

[odd hound]

this is such a typical response

[leaden marten]

you sound like you want to play a different game and thats perfectly fine

the game isnt for you

but you also dont know whjat you are talking about

[proven marsh]

Ngl that level of gameplay sounds terrible

[leaden marten]

typical lilliam mid spammer

[dire jackal]

Tbh its bcs in turn based speed set was always the most broken with no direct competitor for slow playstyle. Which makes etheria unique in a sense that bloodbath/strive and shells exist

[proven marsh]

Units that target certain spots ? I'm good

[leaden marten]

i mean its a different game and genre at that point

which is fine

its preferene

[dire jackal]

If anything they are on good track to make it not cleave deluxe perma just need to get back on the rail since they broke the direction the train was going in with thid patch

[leaden marten]

but this games pvp is way more in depth than one of its main competitor and is on par with the other competitor

[odd hound]

agree, moving away from cleave is great

[royal edge]

moving away from cleave is also why we have snooze fest vs slug fest 10 mins of fun

[mortal jacinth]

Lushen dominated in SW for like 5 years straight

The entire game's massive HP build focus in pvp began largely due to Lushen (and the accessibility of def break)

And you can still just build 10 Lushens and hit 10 siege wins ezpz

Oh what's up Chris

[odd hound]

That's more of a numbers issue. The tanks are too tanky and the DPSes are too squishy except if you build them as bruiser. Healing also needs to be curbed

[proven marsh]

Agreed. Both styles have to be viable. Cleave is practically in the mud rn

[final jewel]

if any of yall wanna draft a detailed . report about what the most ideal meta would look and feel like please work together on that and slide it to me

[leaden marten]

literally season 0

like you already saw my analysis

and im not some silver peaker

[odd hound]

For me it's simply "gradual HP reduction over 5-10 minutes that doesn't involve anyone healing back to full"

[leaden marten]

why are you not going to that post

[royal edge]

also how does a single game dev there not have a single idea when season 0 was made with pretty good balance

[leaden marten]

season 0 meta was way better tha anything e7 accomplished in 7 years

by like 10 times better

and it competed with goated sw seasons

meta atm isnt terrible seen way worse

but

there is not a single thing that isnt worse than last season

@final jewel

just

get some feedbck from top players

[hollow arrow]

im a BB hater

[mortal jacinth]

I think it's important to highlight that last season's strong meta was only really accessible to the top players, and the issue was less rev itself than the pve structure enforcing certain farm cycles that made rev more dominant than it would have been if people could FUCKING FARM

[wild coyote]

I stand corrected on the Lushen thing if thats how it was historically. but when I look at SW tourneys, it feels honestly super balanced. That would be the perfect sort of damage-defense balance I'd like to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeWSVNutOqU&t=11054s
Units take damage, units die. But you don't have ultra 100% boogaloo cleave VS ultra 100% tankdown sustain nonsense VS ultra 100% perma cc cancer. Etheria S0 is too polarizing

[mortal jacinth]

They need to give up and shoot Rengo in the back of the head

[final jewel]

yea yea I rmr seeing ur thoughts about s0

[leaden marten]

thats 2025 tho

it wasnt like that for majority of sw's history

[odd hound]

True, but we also saw 1 minute matches at EWS and they weren't the most flattering optics for this game.

XD paid some streamers to stream EWS and their chats were just shitting on this game

[leaden marten]

they figured out how to maintain a healthy meta

took them years

etheria found it in season 0

then compeltely fucked it up in season 1

[final jewel]

only thing is we dont wanna undo rev changes because even though the high end rta is fine with it, rev ruins fun for all the lower ends and avg ends of pvp

[hollow arrow]

idk how healthy rev spam was honestly

[wild coyote]

Etheria S0 looks completely different to me tho, compared to these new SW matches

[mortal jacinth]

do they not see how hyper-polarizing bb is in the data too?

[final jewel]

we still have to appeal to avg player or else no one will end up as a top player and we'll have the issue we're starting to see now where the same top rta players are all just fighting eachother over and over

still need people to get to that point

[leaden marten]

you didnt see top games

me and bread games were peak

[proven marsh]

Season 0 was actually so nice outside of rev spammers. Even bruisers were In a really good spot if you invested in them

[final jewel]

and when rev destroys the fun and demotivates them to get into rta before they reach that point of gear and other things

ehhh

i think another solution can be found

[rich atlas]

chris any thoughts on letting certain content creators have access to a test server again so they can put out better videos? like they had before launch

[final jewel]

I can discuss that with the team but i dont think they'd consider it for a while as there's still so much going on and things need to stabilize

devs r slammed rn

[proven marsh]

I think rev is fine the way it is tbh the issue is bloodbath damage reduction is way too high. 55% is so ridiculous that even DpS can use it

[rich atlas]

i feel it would help with some of the issues people had with liliam if they werent pulling based off vibes from creators

[odd hound]

If Etheria wants to be esports, it needs to be a good spectating game first.

1 minute cleave matches = feels bad to watch
nonstop CC lock = feels bad to watch
tank heal snoozefest = feels bad to watch

this will always be my stance

[mortal jacinth]

A big problem is that people assume the creators are also top players

[final jewel]

I think people just aren't used to this game and style of character releases theyre so used to powercreep obvious easy pull babification that they keep repeating this cycle where they complain the character sucks like yeli and now liliam and then a week later realize how good they are at certain things (which shouuld be the intention of any new character, not just poewrcreeping and being easy at everything)

once the comm is used to that it wont be a big deal

theyll learn

[hollow arrow]

I think even a slight nerf to bloodbath could work honestly

[final jewel]

yeah ill talk about that see what the team thinks

[wild coyote]

Agreed! Putting in card game terms, in Etheria I feel like we have too much turn 1 OTK, no-wincon control and from-hand combo... and too little good ol midrange

[royal edge]

season 0 had much more than those 3, thrs units like veron, hoyan, beyontin that spices things up, it was the perfect balance in terms of strategy and time, not 10 mins of sania hitting and healing

[final jewel]

slight nerf to bloodbath could balance out quite a few things from what it seems

[leaden marten]

i would argue that season 0 had the best balance this genre has ever seen

sw had some close seasons

[final jewel]

ty

[hollow arrow]

i don't really have liliam built at 6 stars but maybe a slight speed boost to her maybe?

[mortal jacinth]

If bb has to worry about damage again it can't go full effres and theoretically a triangle should be able to reestablish itself

[final jewel]

the devs really worked hard for it

it just sucks that working hard for that rta feeling comes with consequences with other strategies impiacting avg/lower end players

and ruining the motivation/fun

:/

[leaden marten]

worked really hard to fuck it up completely in season 1

[final jewel]

valid to feel the way u do and it sucks

but also sucks for everyone else

[leaden marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhCBg5QJV-U

@wild coyote

check the last game

between me and bread

[royal edge]

idt lower end players are seeing much fun this season as well

[leaden marten]

thats what most of our games looked like

[final jewel]

yeah they still need more balancing

[leaden marten]

it was constant bck and forth

[leaden marten]

you should watch it too btw

13.09

[final jewel]

ok im watching

[leaden marten]

thats what a healthy meta looks like

we played each other

like 50-60 times

and most of our games were like that

its not a 10 minute slog

not a 10 second stomp

not a cc lock

just the healthiest meta ive seen in the genre

as a player who reached r1 in etheria and sw

at times

[final jewel]

hm ok i can use this as a reference

[wild coyote]

That does look quite perfect to me, actually

[leaden marten]

yeeees

we played 50-60 games

and 99% of them were like that

like

me and bread games were goated

could have been a research material for sw e7 and etheria

[final jewel]

can u link me ur thread again

[leaden marten]

for how a meta should look

[final jewel]

if u dont mind

[leaden marten]

i will dm you

[final jewel]

kk

[leaden marten]

a full analysis

more in depth

[final jewel]

bet

ur the goat

[leaden marten]

and no cusses

[hollow arrow]

this is data analysis

[leaden marten]

cause i was shitting ond evs

in the thread

[wild coyote]

Maybe the perfect scenario would be having that top player gameplay make its way to lower ranks... and perhaps all we had to do for that to happen was wait lmao, eventually everyone will end up with similar gear/units as you guys

[final jewel]

yeah but unfortunately

waiting isn't easy in this game

as it's such a challenging game

and time consuming

avg players and lower levels just cant enjoy rta at all or see why the late game is so fun

[mortal jacinth]

They could usher it in more quickly and retain more players by nuking inferno further

[final jewel]

when theyre just struggling early

[leaden marten]

fun fact i dont have a single red speed gear

neither does bread

[final jewel]

so again they should have found a better middle ground between beta and launch with the pacing

but

[hushed wadi]

ultimately that comes down to them not being able to get the gear necessary really no?

[final jewel]

they can still recover and balance this situation pretty well

i have faith

[wild coyote]

Inferno nerfs would help, yeah. But I get c's point, there will always be new players and this should feel good for them as well

[final jewel]

just a few more core changes

[leaden marten]

yes

but dont let us wait for season 2

[final jewel]

and then careful analysis of meta and ideas rn

[leaden marten]

mid season changes are veru welcome here

[wild coyote]

red is a myth lmao, the odds are way too low

[final jewel]

yeah maybe I can consider having the devs talk with the community about mid season changes being an option since it's early in the game cycle

and see how many people would be upset

[leaden marten]

guessing they are worried bout nerfing bloodbath for pve usage

[hollow arrow]

rather than inferno nerf I think the concept of things like blitzing meaning tickets that u get daily that instant auto runs for u to reduce the burnout in players

[leaden marten]

but cant they nerf it the same way they did rev ?

like it functions the same in pve

[final jewel]

always option here

[hollow arrow]

I imagine players that have been farming for a month and a half straight are gonna get burnout soon

[leaden marten]

but lets say reduce it to like 40-45%

in pvp

if bloodbath existed in sw

it would be removed in like 2 hours

[final jewel]

yes

this is the core issue idc about difficulty or rng or anything rn

it's time

the rest will sort itself out and feel much better

with time qol

we got gear qol

thank god

now we need time qol

[wild coyote]

LMAO

[hollow arrow]

happy tears

the farming gets to people after a while

[wild coyote]

Imagine the opposite tho, we need violent proc shell (its a joke, dont do it)

[mossy folio]

Bugs is back with more receipts 🤣

[hollow arrow]

bloodbath it's a good idea which execution went a lil wild

[final jewel]

main 3 topics i want to discuss with jack this week are: time sink qol (more continous farming so u only have to do it like once an hour not every 15-30 minutes for 8 hrs a day), reconfig chip economy, and pvp meta

been repeating tha ta bit but

just providing clarity for those who havent read it

[hollow arrow]

also if we could raise the runs from 10 to 50 that'd be nice aswell

[royal edge]

ngl kinda lost alil hope seeing how the players are the ones trying to balance the game like we are paid a salary

[leaden marten]

when will you talk with him

i should write the report before it

[wild coyote]

and please for the love of god, nuke ember track walking stages for next rotation

[final jewel]

usually we talk on thursday nights cali time

but

might do wednesday this week

[final jewel]

we've talked about it

[odd hound]

I actually don't mind those except the unskippable yellow glow mobs lmao

[final jewel]

devs are like well thats the main place u can see ur character and we like that but also gotta find a middle ground with it

bc its a chore

and they know

[wild coyote]

nah, this happens in every game

[royal edge]

nah it aint to this degree

[wild coyote]

now we have the pvp victory/loss screen, problem solved

[final jewel]

might be why they did that

not sure

i think good solution is making the smaller stages auto but the bigger boss stages walk around still

[mortal jacinth]

I'm gonna be honest I don't know a single person who cares about the existence of the Character, unless some of you are into it and haven't spoken up. I guess it appeals more to the Hoyo itinerant

[shy vault]

nobody cares about these ugly mc skins can we get character skins

[final jewel]

ideally best solution is not walk around for any once u beat all of it once

LMAO

[shy vault]

SKINS not recolors

[final jewel]

yeah dw

they know

[shy vault]

[leaden marten]

oh also

you gotta tell him about obol bug

he ignores eff res

[wild coyote]

yeah, worst case scenario we still have to walk for 10m to reach the bosses

[leaden marten]

and only needs 100 acc

[odd hound]

Player characters are usually for self-inserting

[leaden marten]

kazuyo with 100 acc cc's nothing

obol with 100 acc perma stuns 300 res unitw

[shy vault]

this had me pulling my hair facing obol sent me to the shadow realm (before this bug was talked about)

i went all in on res after getting rolled 3 game sin a row

[final jewel]

yeah ppl been talking about obol for a minute idk why the cs team hasnt pushed any of the tickets about that forward or maybe the team already fixed it and it's in next patch

[shy vault]

only to find out RES IS FAKE

only to find out a week later obol bugged

[hollow arrow]

maybe make the gold npcs also skippable like the normal ones

I think that could cut the time a lil bit

[shy vault]

i settled for prebanning him everygame and ignoring spreadsheet gaming

[odd hound]

I agree with this, they have no purpose other than stalling for time

[final jewel]

kk ill suggest

theyll likely consider it if they havent already come up with that idea themselves

having the new pvp victory screen is good argument

[shy vault]

can chaku's laggy slow ass get to the interact button faster

[final jewel]

also ez monetization outlet for more victory emotes

xd

[final jewel]

god

[shy vault]

also when i alt tab and click back into ER chaku will instaroll me back to the other side

[final jewel]

LOL

[shy vault]

at least let me alt tab you mfs

[final jewel]

no bro you gotta submit to the game.

[shy vault]

BAH

[final jewel]

ok ima go eat lunch

bye

[shy vault]

byeeeeeeee

[hollow arrow]

byeee ty for listening

[royal edge]

and seasonal frames pls, it's just another demotivating factor into playing rta past 3100

[hushed wadi]

theres seasonal frames tho?

[sand sand]

.kek. has been warned

Reason: Spam

[royal edge]

nope

[shy vault]

gimme emotes to spam plsplspls

for those ppl sitting there waiting out 30 seconds i can at least click something

[mortal jacinth]

Emotes playing out to the side of the screen would turn them into relevant reward items too btw. RN you don't even see a notification that someone else sent one in chat

[hushed wadi]

top 200 summit arena frames arent seasonal? are they perma

[royal edge]

and also decay

[shy vault]

more in game emotes for the regular chat would be great we're so limited rn

[royal edge]

someone need to compound all these things again and let jack actually read it

[shy vault]

i want my stickers..

[royal edge]

60d and its gone

[mortal jacinth]

Skins, entry and exit effects, auras, emotes, there are tons of cosmetic options that don't effect balance considerations at all that they can throw in there and players will eat them up

[mossy folio]

I wouldn’t mind the walking stages if it was actually interesting but it’s just the same stuff on repeat.

Like lower the number of stages but make them more interesting.

Give me bonus rewards if I stealth kill everyone, add a puzzle or a hidden item. Stuff like that

[hushed wadi]

thats normal?

whats wrong with that

[royal edge]

burn out and loss of achievement

= less retention

=bad

lel

[hushed wadi]

very common for titles and frames in these games to be only for duration of the season else theres no uniqueness in them as more and more people get it

[mortal jacinth]

It costs them nothing to update the frame to do something like show a number for which season you earned it in, or to have a frame that dynamically updates with a number of how many times it's earned, or something similar that allows it to scale usefully while not having to create a bunch of new assets

[royal edge]

people pay to be in top 200 btw

[royal edge]

seasonal frames. 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5

lel

[odd hound]

peak fomo bait, perfect

[mossy folio]

Give me a victory screen animation to flip off my opponent when I beat them in RTA and I’ll buy it

[shy vault]

i think they could transition those to legacy frames based on season (tweaks in color or putting a number or something

and leave the most current top 1-200 frames as whatever they are now? idk

[placid ingot]

Here's an idea @final jewel, if you really dont want your messages to be lost to people (the most important ones especially), you could have your own personal channel that is open to the public. You can list down the status of stuff you are currently in talks with the devs; are they ongoing? done? Things like that

edit: Doing this can take some load off your back from repeating the same shit every time by simply pointing people to that channel and a lot less explanation

[shy vault]

its quite....demotivating if you cant keep some kind of memento or proof of ur rank in the past

[royal edge]

correct

[mortal jacinth]

I do it every week anyway but I hate having to renew my fearless frame. On the other hand, I'd love a fearless frame that said I've won 15 or whatever and let me stack Ws into it

[shy vault]

the other temp frames i dont think anyone complained abt bc they are easy to earn/renew

but top 200 closing for a season is like a different level of sweat and time and struggle

also you'll have nothing next reset

nothing to show for it

[mortal jacinth]

Also true

[shy vault]

whats the point of climbing

[final jewel]

ill mention it

[final jewel]

no I wont

it gives people too much hope and if i make something like that its way too much pressure for the devs and would be highlighted very heavily

bc if i have a dedicated channel or thing for that

people will expect anything i have ideas or opinions about to happen

and be mad if they dont

i also deal with enough people spamming me all day about stuff anyways

i dont want more

[placid ingot]

Yea that's fair, thank you. Quick lunch though

[final jewel]

it was still open on my computer

about to eat

[wind void]

not sure why they didn't implement something like in E7 where each season/reset gives different frames as rewards

[vast rain]

Just let us walk around the apartment or lobby room and interact with things, thats more than enough

[cold flicker]

and u will not get any feedback cause she is working as intended

get some game knowledge and take my name out of ur mouth

[verbal flower]

wait until the masses realize the summon event will only count the regular purple summons aka not the ones used to summon liliam

[cold flicker]

that will be the next drama

and the drama after that will be "u made us spend tickets on summon event and the new RGB units are op"

[deft swallow]

Wait fr? Is this why my 72% counter rate Holden missed counter 5 times in a row ?

[dire jackal]

Ye some skills just arent counterable even if aoe if the target is not the one who can counter, its just poor coding i played makoto a lot last season so i noticed it a bunch

Kloss s3, veronika s2 and in some cases s3, mio s3, heinrich s2, red rin s3 prob some others i forgot but nothing else comes to mind its late

[wind void]

that ChatGTP code

[cold flicker]

arent they gonna fix some of that interactions on next patch?

atleast some of them xD

[deft swallow]

Damn, never thought there’d be a game rivaling league’s spaghetti code

[final jewel]

saving this in here for my personal enjoyment..

[fickle geode]

[hollow arrow]

I think these people come from games like genshin impact so they have no idea abt how general gachas run

[blissful gate]

its still scummy

if they have a spend all your tickets on a perm banner then drop an OP rgb

if u came from a game that was scummy u can still say i dont want my new game to be scummy

[stiff mango]

And what is the idea of a general gachas run?

If you feel so elitist

[river jolt]

Interesting, more S3s at the cost of not one tapping

[hollow arrow]

how am I elitist it's clear if ur gacha experience has been geshin impact it's not gonna translate well with games that are pvp focused

[stiff mango]

What doesnt translate into other gachas?

[blissful gate]

gachas can be fair (and really this game has been really fair up to this point)

[river jolt]

Yes, fair in that we all get dog shit. Neither the whales, the dolphins or the f2p are happy

[flat obsidian]

Right, why dont they Release it together ist the question 🤔

[river jolt]

The only people that are happy last I checked were the people in Room 206 being weird

But they are mentally challenged so it's easy to be happy

[flat obsidian]

Liliam best PvP Unit ❤️ i use her 80%

[blissful gate]

dont think that has anything to do with the gacha system itself

[raw raven]

event will be only about standard banner pulls though? so it does not matter if it starts together...

[flat obsidian]

We will see, i dont know if the new banner would count

[raw raven]

talk for yourself - I am happy with gacha system as F2P - there is lot to be improved especially in lattice economy, but gacha is fine IMO

[flat obsidian]

Lattice is the real Gacha.. where you need in other games copys.. here you need lattice..

[river jolt]

Yeah it's everything else that fucked everyone

[river jolt]

It's not the gacha, it's everything else

[deft swallow]

I genuinely think this could actually be a legit build if her passive actually stopped amber’s pushback on death.
The problem with her current meta build (the bloodbath los build) is that it’s extremely inefficient stat wise since you are split building both tankiness and damage; los shell doesn’t have bb set so you have to sacrifice 4 slots of gear for 12 set bb which leaves 6/6 Keeneye furyedge the optimal remainder.
With this build, you are also lacking a lot of speed. Even high rank players I’ve seen only have like +70. This means that she can get lapped by fast units very easily, and the main problem with getting lapped by a bunch of low damage units is that bb doesn’t proc at all so you are not any tankier than a non bb unit; a few jackal procs from the enemy, and you’re pretty much dead.
I’ve actually changed my build to since then to 8 piece swift instead of strive (now she is +126) because I think raw speed is more value for a unit that’s actually deceptively more squishy than you think. Now that I have her s3 levelled to gain full damage, I’ve seen her deal around 21-28k on non bloodbath units which should still oneshot most of them. The only complaint I have now is her amber interaction (where she doesn’t prevent the pushback on death )

And on a side note, there’s no way amber only reduces turn meter by 50%. I see her go to the end of the line every time, that shits gotta be 100%

[shy vault]

well

maybe new shells will open new builds for her

[wind void]

I was already questioning the BB/Keeneye/Furyedge set on her. I don't see BB doing a lot when she's so slow and doesn't have any natural counter or CR push or anything like that

What shell are you using on her? Still los?

[wind void]

wow I expected none of that

[deft swallow]

Again, I think this would be a massive cook if amber didn’t reduce her turn meter

She has much higher defence with this build so she wont die to a gust of wind, and amber allow her to survive one revelation from massiah/yeli

Higher speed allow her to not get lapped and poked down by fast CC units, (and this especially a problem with slow bb build since bb doesn’t trigger on poke damage, so you actually die faster from poke on the bb build)

I think the only downside to this build is that you can’t survive 2 revelations and once ur amber procs, you rely on the rest of your team to sustain you much more against dps units (but you get cooked against bruisers either way bloodbath or not)

The upside is that you don’t run the risk of los being stripped

[vague crest]

cant you jsut use skill 1 vs cc

[deft swallow]

They lap you too many times

[vague crest]

slap bramble on her if it works with healing

[deft swallow]

Believe it or not I was genuinely thinking of doing that

but I settled for speed build in the end

[wind void]

Someone the other day posted a Count build with bulwark/swiftraid/harvest and I thought it was a good idea

[deft swallow]

because it’s more synergistic with the timeweave procs

[wind void]

Was like a +130 speed Liliam

[vague crest]

law of silence can have timewave and bramble

[deft swallow]

Ya, this guarantees a oneshot, but you need to live through their bs on turn 1 first

[vague crest]

or jsut use count wiht battlewill bramble + furyedge or swiftraid

[deft swallow]

Unless it’s a turn 1 build

[harsh inlet]

why not use law and bb?

[vague crest]

why ppl keepw anna make bb work on her T_T

only in gvg its a legit option bc of ai defense

[deft swallow]

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[harsh inlet]

did u find success with this build tho?

[deft swallow]

No, because amber does turn meter pushback on her

if it didn’t, then yes, absolutely

[wind void]

Wait what screen is this from where it shows the shells on the bottom? I must be stupid

[deft swallow]

Pvp loadout

[wind void]

oh yeah im not turning that shit on

the guys build was something like this but with better stats

in-game chat doesn't like bulwark though

[deft swallow]

I mean, if it works, it works

[wind void]

She one shots CC and DPS units with like 35k+ damage

I see the argument for bulwark being useless, but also it lets her completely ignore units like kazuyo

[mortal jacinth]

In game chat has no human rights

[wind void]

so idk, maybe I'll try something else

I need to figure out how to somehow get like 60 more crit damage

[deft swallow]

Do you really need so much damage? Who u trying to kill?

[wind void]

that's fair

I haven't ran into a BB DPS yet to test on that though

[deft swallow]

Also, what about just replacing ur atk% piece with crit damage? She gives self atk buff and count shell buff right?

[wind void]

I have 2x crit chance and 1x crit damage on right side