Liliam is lackluster

[leaden marten]

that was funny

[scarlet onyx]

Lul

[cunning obsidian]

@storm knot no cause it gives her no defence pen

[shy vault]

thats

[leaden marten]

the reason why rosa was mid in season 0

[shy vault]

kinda on u

[leaden marten]

but massiah and yeli was good

is exactly the def pen/ignore

[shy vault]

for 555 a unit before you know anything

[leaden marten]

rosa was in gutter but yeli and massiah were very strong

that should have made it obvious

[scarlet onyx]

All SSR D&L was good before liliam

[leaden marten]

lilliam is good in rta

i mean hein is also mostly rta unit

[coarse sorrel]

i cant even tell if its rage bait at this pointr

[leaden marten]

it isnt like lilliam is the only ld unit thats only good in pvp

[coarse sorrel]

or the general playerbase is actually this low iq

[leaden marten]

hein exists

[coarse sorrel]

sorry to say

[leaden marten]

sania is the opposite only good in pve

[scarlet onyx]

No. She is niche in RTA, tiamat is good in RTA, rahu is good, even Gsania is good

[cunning obsidian]

Vocal majority is Always low skilled

Im every game

[storm knot]

i dont know but Yeli have no multiplier BEFORE she hits her S3, so she just "self setup" her following shots, but STILL nuke anyone with her pure raw S3 initial damage, and NOT even single target but multi target damage... i know people here is crying about this and that, but is just unbalanced

[shy vault]

balanced new unit releases vs incessant powercreep, pick 1

[leaden marten]

people want the latter and its wild

[storm knot]

i mean, she can hit 2 hits 240% with def down

[placid ingot]

Bro she is the sole hero in her niche of being CC counter pick and that by itself makes her top tier, or A tier in bug's tierlist

[cunning obsidian]

@storm knot yeli has a multi hit s3 that proces revelation multiple Times + def down ,+ self cleanse ?

[shy vault]

one of the few things etheria's been doing well on is new unit releases

[coarse sorrel]

shit bro I guess ssania makes the cut because she can cheese like 2 pve inferno stages

[scarlet onyx]

CC team with no speed boost ATB dont exist !

[placid ingot]

Im sorry shes not carrying you like Yeli or Massiah but she is the best at her job

[storm knot]

yes, i know, and also AOE damage... now you have everything in the table to see how Liliam is not just niche but weak

[cunning obsidian]

She is best at her niche my man , full cc imune unit

[leaden marten]

okay ive been holding back but gotta say

[storm knot]

in one hand u have an AOE nuke, in other a ST weak dmg

[coarse sorrel]

let it out

[leaden marten]

eh whatever

[cunning obsidian]

[coarse sorrel]

let them compare liliam to sybil

LMAOOOOOO

[leaden marten]

nah i already went nuclear on 2 different people today

[wild coyote]

LMAO now we wanna hear it

[placid ingot]

Stop edging us bug

[leaden marten]

bad for my blood pressure

[shy vault]

did everyone just want a dark yeli+diting combo that was better than both in addition to being un cc-able and have an aoe stun

cuz thats what it sounds like

[coarse sorrel]

back to the fruit analogy

[cunning obsidian]

I feel Like 98% People who complain are gold cleave onetricks

[coarse sorrel]

people askin for apples and got mad when they got an orange

[steep shadow]

Yes, they cry that power creep is happening, then cry when it didn't actually happen

[coarse sorrel]

if its rage bait, they succeeded, if theyre actually that dumb... nobody wins

[cunning obsidian]

U cant call her bad at her niche when she is fully cc imune , she basicly fully counters 1 very popular playstyle

[coarse sorrel]

[placid ingot]

Funny you say this but you yourself said you dont RTA

[storm knot]

let me see... when your friend say he is hungry, you get mad because u think "oh, so he want to eat all my food, i will die from starving cause he bla bla", no dude, asking for some buff doesnt mean we want her to be Chuck Norris.

[scarlet onyx]

We just want play a high invest char more than 1/20 fight only on RTA ...

[leaden marten]

she is good into everything that isnt bruisers

[vague crest]

she full counter the counter to the meta

[shy vault]

these words are english but are you perhaps not a native english speaker

[cunning obsidian]

@leaden marten when bruiser meta falls off she Will be a tier0 unit

[storm knot]

im not, i speak spanish, is that a problem for you?

[leaden marten]

yes

i mean she is pretty close already

[placid ingot]

Next season when they buff holden a 2nd time and rahu the 3rd time

[vague crest]

we have dps on bb so i would not wait for that

[shy vault]

no im just wondering bc ur paragraph is really jumbled

[coarse sorrel]

this is the type of person who advocated for holden buffs

LMAO

[leaden marten]

she is covering main weaknesses of bruiser teams

[shy vault]

like what are you talking about

[coarse sorrel]

my fellow reasonable brethren

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah bruiser team sucks actually :/

[coarse sorrel]

let us not beat the horse

[vague crest]

Doesnt even need to get through your draft. She opens up other picks cleanser/doki. Way harder for cc comps to succed

[coarse sorrel]

for they are already dead

[cunning obsidian]

With law + bb picked into bruiser comp she is tsnky enough to not die and has enough dmg to kill the ccs

[coarse sorrel]

its impossible to teach these guys how to draft properly

[shy vault]

if liliam isnt a unit that looks like it fits your needs for your account - JUST SKIP??

[coarse sorrel]

they will suffer getting fisted by obol+kaz until they hit gold

[coarse sorrel]

BUT THE TRAILER SAID MASSIVE DAMAGE

[shy vault]

massive mental damage has been achieved

[cunning obsidian]

Guy used 15 latices on a unit he didnt bother to even try out s few games haha

[storm knot]

very simple: you are assuming that people who ask for Liliam's buff, want her to be literally God, but no. We just want our "SSR L/D" unit to be useful in more than 1 niche gameplay.

[coarse sorrel]

why do you feel entitled to have a unit that does everything

lol

[placid ingot]

It also said "highly effective in PvP" she must be max dupe

[scarlet onyx]

100% agree

[cunning obsidian]

U ask her to onehit Holden , which would make her the ultimate unit , cant be cced , kills anything

[steep shadow]

So you want power creep? If she does much more damage she's going to be far and away the best unit in the game

[soft quarry]

100% agree 👍

[coarse sorrel]

i like how the clowns are in agreement with each other

[shy vault]

its like you guys want the game to release unbalanced units every patch

[scarlet onyx]

Nobody Say we want One tap holden under BB...

[shy vault]

then you guys will complain about that too

[placid ingot]

Are you saying she is not? Are we even playing the same game?

[storm knot]

straw man fallacy, that's what im saying... we want her to be better, not the best

[cunning obsidian]

People ask her to onehit bruisers , imagine this , a unit who cant be controled , and who kills every unit

[shy vault]

i cant believe im sitting here defending anything

i feel white knight adjacent

gross

disgusting

[steep shadow]

She's already close to being the best already though

[shy vault]

this is the level of stupid in here rn

[storm knot]

yeah, just as close as monday is close to sunday

[cunning obsidian]

2 weeks from now , People Will ask to nerf her

[coarse sorrel]

its just ragebait at this point

[cunning obsidian]

Cause she is imune to cc

[coarse sorrel]

how to make liliam op, release 2 cc RGB units next rotation

sorry

liliam *seem more op that she already is

[placid ingot]

There already is a thread about this 5 days ago

[leaden marten]

my guy if every good player is telling she is good and low elo players are saying she is bad

it can only mean one thing

[cunning obsidian]

@coarse sorrel inb4 liliam farms my New rgb units that i wasted 15 latices , pls nerf

[leaden marten]

skill issue

idk what else to say

[scarlet onyx]

Immune CC not to débuff (hi Viper) and very niche for 12 fcking lattice and see her 1 on 20 game only on RTA. Yes, what a dream

[coarse sorrel]

BUT THE TRAILER SAID I TAKE REDUCED DAMAGE!!

[shy vault]

why do you people spend 10+ lattices on a unit before seeing how she actually works

[cunning obsidian]

@scarlet onyx why did u useeeee 12 latices without eveeen reaaaading her kit

[storm knot]

is really EVERY good player telling she is good? or you are just making up things to get a point? haha

[shy vault]

no wonder yall begging for reset event every 2 business days

[leaden marten]

can you read

[soft quarry]

But low ELO player is the mayor of base of player in every game, high ELO player it's the minimum, is the low ELO players leave the game, the game dies, shows in the lost of money in this month

[leaden marten]

[placid ingot]

Stop being stuck in the 1st stage of grief like move one already

[scarlet onyx]

Because i have trust the trailer with massive damage. Who can think with trailer like that she only tickles ?

[leaden marten]

then be cautious with your pulls

like

[coarse sorrel]

the game dies if the end game is shit what are we talking about

LMAO

[leaden marten]

she already breaks the game in high elo

its rev nerf all over again

[steep shadow]

Don't even need to ask them, just look at the teams the top players last used. There's a whole lot of Liliam in there.

Do you think they all drafted her to make their teams worse?

[shy vault]

you can stop being low elo by just thinking first before doing things

i cant believe the shit im saying today i need to leave im getting brain dmg

[coarse sorrel]

its for the best

im doing it for entertainment

[short horizon]

game launch
big drop in playerbase in 1 month
"omg games dying"

^ this happens every single fucking game launch how are people still getting baited

[cunning obsidian]

@soft quarry loss of money didnt rly show anything , the data dosent count PC client just mobile , every gacha has a big income cut after 1st month

[shy vault]

tbh im messing around in here cuz im doing ember trek on the side

this fuckass TIME WASTER

[storm knot]

i meant "every good player". already edited.

[leaden marten]

big brain

[scarlet onyx]

Absolutly not. High elo say : she is interesting on some case

[leaden marten]

then the answer is yes

[short horizon]

its good to have the new LD not be yeli broken

[placid ingot]

She shuts down an entire archetype in pvp stop ignoring this

[leaden marten]

anyway im out too

[short horizon]

otherwise people just yell about omg LDs are all broken theyre so P2W cuz they cost more to pull

[coarse sorrel]

just add nyaluni to a chat with bugs + and bread

[leaden marten]

should reduce my time on gacha discords

[short horizon]

there is no winning

[leaden marten]

its unhealthy

[coarse sorrel]

im out too

[soft quarry]

I don't pull again and rush in this game, but like me other does the same things, see the showcase and pull whit a promise of a better character

[coarse sorrel]

these walls are very resilient today

[scarlet onyx]

Witch archétype ? Full CC with no speed and no dps ? Find 1 high elo who complain about her !!

[leaden marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

me trying to give advice on discord but then being reminded of this every day on gacha discords

[coarse sorrel]

i like this one more

[storm knot]

lets say u are facing obol+kazuyo+kraken+tsukiyomi... thats 4v1, and also your Liliam will get that ATK down and your enemy ATK+reset CD+turn meter... can she solo 1v4 them before they kill her just with the base damage from their skills and also from DOT (obol)?? people forget that hyper CC comps also can use revelation of white fang, that passive damage from 4 units wont kill her?

[scarlet onyx]

Very common situation

[placid ingot]

I think its easier if we watched the upcoming tourney tomorrow

[scarlet onyx]

0 top play draft this.

[placid ingot]

Top RTA players will play

[leaden marten]

okay you are just geniunely dumb

[scarlet onyx]

Lul, who ?

[leaden marten]

you can check leaderboard and in 2 seconds you would see her being drafte

[storm knot]

is not a common situation, but im using their argument (she nukes hard CC comps), so in her niche situation she can also be useless

[leaden marten]

also not sure if you realize this

but im rank 1 right now

[placid ingot]

Like bread, Kekker, guys from Scarlet

[leaden marten]

[placid ingot]

Be sure to watch

[leaden marten]

and finished rank 3 last season

[placid ingot]

You joining the tourney tomorrow @leaden marten ?

[leaden marten]

no

[placid ingot]

Sad

[leaden marten]

i was invted but

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah they dont use tiamat, rahu, holden ...

[leaden marten]

i think meta is so ass right now

[scarlet onyx]

Only CC

[placid ingot]

Lets just watch the tourney tomorrow okay? At least after that we will have substance to our arguments. Arguing like this leads us nowhere

[scarlet onyx]

Tourney is not post season 1 patch !

[leaden marten]

dont trust tournaments all that much

ost of them are low elo players getting stomped by a few higher elo players

[placid ingot]

Better than throwing units together in chat and deciding which one wins

Cus we are all operating in different wavelengths, a visual presentation would help

[soft quarry]

But is reasonable the Dev's give us a simple reset event and all we happy again? :c

[queen compass]

For standard pvp, fast lily + fast liliam works?

She can kill dps with S2?

To apply stun on all

[twin flame]

She can't kill shit

Her S3 can MAYBE kill the squishiest unit but with her S2 you are lucky if you can even stun the main target

[fleet sky]

Always bet on uncle bug

[fleet sky]

funniest part is the lengthy explanation pinned every time a gacha revenue chart is posted on reddit

and nobody reads it

[short horizon]

its useless because people who regularly check it already know this

the people who need to read it dont because they are retarded

[fleet sky]

so real tho

[vapid timber]

you guys are wrong liliam is meta

7 min rengo

[shy vault]

klossless behavior

[vapid timber]

lilyless*

[shy vault]

swap sania viper for kloss ling

[vapid timber]

i know im just testing this specific comp LOL

[shy vault]

is it at least 100%

[vapid timber]

no

[shy vault]

y i k e s

[vapid timber]

at 7 min if your sania arent at 8 stacks ure insanely lucky LMAO

[steep shadow]

Nah just means her amber triggered and reset her stacks

[vapid timber]

amber sania is crazy

lowkey idk why im even torturing myself LMFAO

[shy vault]

questionable

[cold flicker]

ppl look at prydwen, see liliam t1 and cant even compreenhed why she is t1

1st she is a niche rta pick, 2nd the current meta is not good agaisnt her

[nova mason]

maxed s3 and her dmg is real massive

[mortal jacinth]

post build

[tame pasture]

Is her buffed/fixed yet?

[terse moss]

[placid bolt]

She is like a locomotive.. at 300+ speed.. nothing can stop nor slow her down while she inches up the turn meter to take one squishy off the board

[odd hound]

No you don't get it she was supposed to S3 and S2 in chain succession to stun the whole team

[vapid timber]

LOS BB + Keeneye , 27% atk , 20 cd , 10 final dmg

a good unit indeed

very huge damage

[mortal jacinth]

Incidentally I can't believe they still haven't made the fucking destroyed HP color way more legible

[young fjord]

Respectfully, that build is cheeks.

[cold flicker]

agreed

[quaint nova]

Yes she should do that the problem is to order to do the she would need to be close to killing a tanky unit and the have enough speed to hit before the other unit

[solid flicker]

people be playing bloodbath and surprised she doesn't nuke everything smh

I think revelation got people thinking doing damage is easy too much

[quaint nova]

I don't think she should be running bloodbath but running speed and burst damge

[solid flicker]

Liliam was never meant to be a nuker, but a nightmare for cc players and players who really want to sit at max hp

and this she does extremely well

[royal edge]

Revelation pre nerf is barely killing bruisers if u don’t run 4-5 revs

[terse moss]

still, with full damage build she doesn't nuke shit

[solid flicker]

duh, if Revelation wasn't were you really expecting her to

and even if she did, she'd just be another Diting. And you may notice that Diting is very bad in rta

she was never designed to be a nuker

[cold flicker]

i saw my mio explode 2 times today in rta

[solid flicker]

idk what you guys are reacting for, I mean it should be cristal clear that they would have nerfed bloobath/lighthouse if they wanted more "easy" nukes in the meta

[royal edge]

She’s designed to be a nuker, just that u need Def break, and strip into def break is super impractical in rta so she’s not solving anything post rev nerf

[nova mason]

Releasing an ld unit that only work again control comps, and you still want to believe that shes good

[solid flicker]

she's not washed, you are xD

[cold flicker]

she is a niche pick, 3rd+ pick just to counter cc, why u guys expect every unit that comes out to be a all around?

[solid flicker]

being a universal and very serious threat to any present and future cc unit is insanely good, and she also has a very good game into the slow teams that want to soak thousands upon thousands of damage because she chips away their max hp and they can't heal that

[royal edge]

Have u actually seen her gameplay against bruisers 🤣

[terse moss]

how i can seal hp if she does 0 damage?

[solid flicker]

bro she does not deal 0 dmg your build is just ass I'm sorry to tell ya

[cold flicker]

ppl running momentum liliam and expect dmg

prob just slapped diting build into her and expect the same outcome

[solid flicker]

I'm currently working on this guy for my Liliam and though he's not ready yet I can already tell you from testing she's gonna do quite a bit more than 0 dmg

[terse moss]

good luck bro

[royal edge]

Bramble is crazy

[cold flicker]

trade bramble for harvest

[solid flicker]

I'm not trading bramble

[terse moss]

let him cook

[royal edge]

No disrespect but how do u tell people are building badly when u go bramble urself 😆

[terse moss]

[solid flicker]

I'm building with a purpose. And that purpose is to be a nightmare to control and tank players

how do you do that ? with damage they did not expect and good sustain. Bramble gives me both

[terse moss]

did you have any match vs bruiser with her? just asking

[nova mason]

Yeah you made me scared rn

[cold flicker]

harvest makes u oneshot cc units

[terse moss]

if not , pls stop yapping. you don't even know what you are talking

[royal edge]

We been thru that bro, watch some vids abt it

[river jolt]

Tbf you on Bloodbath. Gotta commit to damage!

[royal edge]

And bramble is arguably the worst module on her

[peak saffron]

I did not 5/5 Liliam 😔

But perhaps that was for the best

[nova mason]

White fangs finished it anyway

[solid flicker]

tbf, if bramble turns out to perform poorly I do have the exact same LoS but with fury instead iirc so it costs me nothing to test. But I'm very confident in my build because it's thought out to accomplish what the character is actually designed to do

[terse moss]

i have seen full damage slow ass liliam with law did 50% of my linglou wo bb, her damage just suck

[river jolt]

Needs def break

[royal edge]

It’s not hard to theory craft, people have already put her to test

[terse moss]

she just a niche pick like hoyan

[solid flicker]

yeah, she's a very powerful pick in the right matchup

so what are you guys even whining about

[terse moss]

and useless at everything else

[cold flicker]

hoyan just didnt receive this much backlash cause she is not LD

make it make sense

LD = needs to be op pick everywhere?

[solid flicker]

that's like saying Lingluo is useless at wiping a team

[terse moss]

build and use her, you will see

don't just talk

[solid flicker]

dw bout it dude I'm right on it

[royal edge]

Bro is building her into bruisers, arguably her worst matchup

[nova mason]

Lingluo is useful at everywhere eventhough shes just a regular ssr

[royal edge]

Bramble is the cherry on top

[terse moss]

good luck

[royal edge]

Man the casual base baffles me

[solid flicker]

lmfao

talk for yourself

sheesh

[royal edge]

Top 200 sry

[solid flicker]

you sound extremely whiny for someone competitive

[royal edge]

Yep

I am

[terse moss]

[royal edge]

Before someone like u runs their mouth too much

[solid flicker]

funny how every actually good player agrees that Liliam is very good, especially in tank mirrors

[royal edge]

U might wanna watch volkin/bread video

[terse moss]

who?

[royal edge]

His gold guildmates

[terse moss]

yourself?

[nova mason]

Lol blud's delusion is insane💀

[peak saffron]

Rango is fighting some insane voices in his head rn

Let him cook

[solid flicker]

ain't gon lie man I'm bored as shit farming Hoyan rn so I felt like having a laugh with crybabies in the feedback channel

[peak saffron]

Real

[terse moss]

just stop talking, build, use her than prove us wrong.

[royal edge]

We are treating u like Waliant btw

[peak saffron]

I pop into feedback channels to say a joke every now and then and disappear

[solid flicker]

no idea who this Waliant guy is but he's gotta be very handsome and talented then

[royal edge]

[peak saffron]

Yo real talk who is waliant tho

[royal edge]

U need to work on ur comebacks to be on the same level as waliant bro

[peak saffron]

1/4/5

[royal edge]

The OP of “liliam is a massive power creep”

[peak saffron]

No passive?

[terse moss]

[solid flicker]

someone gets it hallelujah

[terse moss]

devs don't even play there game, that why liliam so fking bad

[solid flicker]

he even realizes that she's really damn good into slow hp teams that just soak and soak dmg because she lowers their health

could this guy be a genius like me

[peak saffron]

This is some insane potential man ahh post 😭

[terse moss]

You just embarrassed yourself

[royal edge]

Let him cook

[terse moss]

sorry, my bad

[solid flicker]

you embarass your parents brother your takes stink

[nova mason]

"Long-term", so we had invested on her just for fun, alr got it

[peak saffron]

Whoa no need to go for personal insults now

[young fjord]

This is the build you want. You run her with a turn pusher like Lily, Beyontin with really high spd along with a aoe def break/stripper. You’ll one shot most squishy units with less than 40K health not running bloodbath.

[royal edge]

What’s gonna happen is he s3 5% of Tiamat’s health, then Tiamat counters and one shots Liliam, the best part? That bramble can’t even proc

[terse moss]

i don't mind. He is just a snowflake.

or he's ragebaiting

[royal edge]

Nope

[terse moss]

frfr

[royal edge]

He has a maxed out bramble LOS

[cold flicker]

man have spit facts

[royal edge]

Bramble is also arguably the worst LOS module

[royal edge]

Can’t be rage baiting when u max out a bramble los

[solid flicker]

sry man been ragebaiting too hard I got baited myself

I'm chill guys it's alright not everybody can get it

[peak saffron]

Isn't the entire point of los to not get hit why get a bramble 😭

[hallow yarrow]

any confirmation if liliam is either bugged or not ?

[peak saffron]

But I can respect the cook

[cold flicker]

she works as intended

[solid flicker]

it's the only shell with bramble and dps sets

also I do like the void state

[hallow yarrow]

this makes me sad, i guess i`ll have to live with my L

[royal edge]

u got ur answer there

[solid flicker]

you tank aoe dmg and then counterattacks will get you back up

while you can be annoying and chip max hp

if you don't kill

[cold flicker]

but if u cant be target and they dont ahve aoe, how are u gonna use bramble?

[solid flicker]

I also want dmg reduction I think on my third passive because I haven't been able to gauge how squishy she really is yet but that may not be necessary

[solid flicker]

well at some point they're gonna have to attack her

[royal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[orchid tundra]

I tried her on lighthouse BB bramble cuz I had the set lying around. She barely heals due to low damage lmao

[royal edge]

pls rango, replace waliant for our sake

[solid flicker]

and also there aren't too many characters that don't use aoe but deal significant enough dmg to her to be a serious threat

oh I'm not playing lighthouse bramble

I'm playing furyedge whatever that crit damage set is called in english and bramble

[orchid tundra]

The bramble procs could be clutch but after the void drops off even a support jackal will cut her HP by 25% XD

[solid flicker]

the point of the bramble is, 1 to heal, 2 to setup easy targets for my S2, 3 for some defense that's cool, and 4 to be unpredictable and very annoying a threat to eliminate

[orchid tundra]

I won't knock your build until you try it

[solid flicker]

that's why I think I'm actually looking for the dmg mitigation of the passive 3 and I want to run her in a team with some sustain if I'm facing tanks

[royal edge]

https://youtu.be/nP-0DK-2uJc?si=rlUc_CqDkcgpWl96

[fleet sky]

A true marathon believer

[royal edge]

for u my guy

[solid flicker]

and if bramble is actually as bad as people seem to think it is, that's okay I'll just give that LoS to Holden that's who I upgraded it for initially

I wanted my Holden to counter the cleaves by tanking it with the void then 1shotting on the counter but well they kinda cut me short by nerfing cleave quite hard

[nova mason]

The void on holden 💀

[orchid tundra]

she's kinda bad facing tanks esp those that counter a lot. The counters will do more % HP damage to liliam than liliam's S3 to the target lol

[royal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[solid flicker]

wow it's hilarious how this video (which I've already seen) proves exactly my point that she's very threatening into control and very effective in slower fights because she cuts max hp. That's crazy

[solid flicker]

does the void disappear before she gets countered btw ? I haven't seen a lot of law of silence so idk all its niche interactions

[orchid tundra]

the 1st void disappears during her turn so yes

[solid flicker]

oh you're right yes

[royal edge]

man ccs and top players are already giving their advice to the casual player base

[orchid tundra]

^ that's the build I run her on now. I think Oncewasblind also runs her in the same build

[royal edge]

just not bramble and ur good

[solid flicker]

I'll have to do some testing to see if the bloodbath really is mendatory with more bulky passives and sets

[terse moss]

is he still yapping and not finish building counter los liliam?

[solid flicker]

I'm not running her into cleavers anyway

[royal edge]

my guy said alot of confident things and said he havent tested

[orchid tundra]

it really just depends on who you fight tbh. Some builds work well against certain teams and not others

[royal edge]

this is unironically one of her btr matchups

[solid flicker]

dude pray that I get something else than blue base hp and I'll see about it

[royal edge]

[terse moss]

i said good luck to you. twice

[solid flicker]

third time's the charm they say

[royal edge]

thrice from me

[terse moss]

mb. GOOD LUCK!!!!!

[solid flicker]

alright I got this now next roll will be a 30% atk for sure

[deft swallow]

what are we thinking with this one

[solid flicker]

DAMN

[orchid tundra]

guess who won btw

[terse moss]

very strong

[royal edge]

doubt so, also wouldnt run smith since she doesnt need eff acc

[deft swallow]

its for the speed. acc is wasted, sadge

[solid flicker]

please tell us man

[royal edge]

i gets

[solid flicker]

I can't roll any good passive. I guess I am just not a godgamer

[orchid tundra]

this game made me crash out so that should answer lol

[mortal jacinth]

Lame Violente

[mortal jacinth]

gonna hit like a 2/10 fart

[solid flicker]

tremendous aura coming from that name

[royal edge]

u havent seen rango's build

[deft swallow]

ya, ive seen it hit between 18-22k on squishy targets. S3 no latticed tho, so it will improve a bit

[mortal jacinth]

I saw the shirtless youtuber guy lock a mio's entire HP with her because Valerian saved her from dying lmao

[mortal jacinth]

my eyes are blinded by the light of bramble

[orchid tundra]

ok let me try to use her naturally in rta again

will report back

[royal edge]

tiamat will hit and she will bramble and she locks their hp over time and eventually you'll win wdym

[solid flicker]

truly a gigachad alphamale build am I right

[royal edge]

bramble liliam is overpowered and not healthy in the long run!

[mortal jacinth]

Earlier I was trying to reflect on why my attempts to pivot my drafts have been going so poorly and I realized it's because I don't have Holden, Tiamat, or Rahu

[solid flicker]

that definitely sounds like a skill issue mate

but be not sad

[mossy folio]

Bramble Fortissimo is the way!

[mortal jacinth]

No, it's more of a luck issue

[solid flicker]

because for the modest sum of 200 wishes, you can choose your RGB ssr

[mortal jacinth]

There's no way we're getting that event in the end

[solid flicker]

do not miss such incredible bargain

[mortal jacinth]

They'd have to be psychotic

But if we do Holden is coming to sit on papa's lap

[mossy folio]

I'm sure even these devs know that they can't hide a selector behind a week long event that needs 200 pulls when the only banner up is an LD one

[solid flicker]

[solid flicker]

yeah for sure right

they wouldn't do something crazy that makes 0 sense for their game would they

[reef shore]

yeah

it’s a top up event

not summoning event

[orchid tundra]

ok in a 5 minute tank down match rn lol

[royal edge]

it would have ended in 2 mins if u had bramble on liliam smh

[orchid tundra]

the classic matchup

[cold flicker]

10 mins fight

cause now thats the meta

[orchid tundra]

the 10 min fight that we all know how it ends

like just surrender pls

holy finally

poor guy

that's a dps build that already s3'ed 5 times on my sania

[royal edge]

Don’t let rango know

[orchid tundra]

damn I spoke too soon she almost got me

[royal edge]

Also it kinda sucks def breakers aren’t viable in the meta

Immunity and cleanse is too good

[orchid tundra]

not viable when I have 3 cleansers on my team fs

[royal edge]

Yeaaa

If only we get a module/shell drop from fighting bruisers like in inferno

[orchid tundra]

I have no choice to be a bruiser cuz the game didn't give me any cleavers

[royal edge]

HAHAH no worries, it’s just game design

[nova mason]

@terse mosscome look at this poorly injured sania got smacked by massive dmg

[terse moss]

[hollow arrow]

[royal edge]

Rango’s reality is breaking down

[terse moss]

tickles sania to death, i can't

[orchid tundra]

just bad matchup

[deft swallow]

Nah I’d tickle sania to death. She seems ticklish

[orchid tundra]

oh my sania is on triple eff res build as well

[nova mason]

dont let him know

[orchid tundra]

I lied double triple eff one HP%

[royal edge]

Enemy Liliam must not be on bramble

Classic mistake

[deft swallow]

How much hp can you get with triple res?? 👀

[orchid tundra]

that liliam had at least 300 spd so nvm not on full dps build

if it was full dps I think I could've lost

[terse moss]

so that liliam need to s3 6 time to kill sania than s3 ~6 more time to kill linglou/holden/dokidoki

[orchid tundra]

to be fair the match was pretty drawn out already at that point prob 1 s3 one shots my holden LOL

[deft swallow]

Lowkey the reason I’m running timeweave

[terse moss]

but bramble might help liliam kill your team faster

[orchid tundra]

man no one is queing game ded

[terse moss]

i am waiting for weekly reset, there is no reason for me to play rta rn

[orchid tundra]

what happens at weekly reset? for more lattices?

I just wanted to see if I can test liliam

[terse moss]

2k point

[orchid tundra]

ah yup

[terse moss]

this season should be ez to climb to 3k1, so i am chilling for now

[orchid tundra]

this gon be fun

[solid wigeon]

come on guys she ain't that bad just not good either soooo..... what is she

[royal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-sandwich-gordon-ramsay-what-are-you-hells-kitchen-trendizisst-gif-22413997

[fickle geode]

https://tenor.com/view/the-greatest-sandwich-in-the-world-matty-matheson-best-sandwich-ever-created-the-worlds-finest-sandwich-welcome-to-the-beef-with-matty-and-coco-gif-26329717

[solid wigeon]

people full of copium saying she was make to kill CC units ummm so is every other Dps

[marble coral]

Where rango went

[orchid tundra]

ok I got destroyed by rahu

[solid wigeon]

yeah they buff holden like he even needed it also Rahu and now who gonna deal with them especially with the rev nerf Rip 🙏

[terse moss]

They fixed the rahu bug, so now he is very strong

[solid wigeon]

when u see holden Rahu pull up then tiamat as back up with a blood bath sania good luck with that

[orchid tundra]

rahu beats mizuki in a 1v1 if opponent isn't brain ded

[cold flicker]

others dps cant take a turn if the cc units are faster than u

[royal edge]

from my Guildmate's defence, this is how cooked rta is rn and how broken bruisers are

[cold flicker]

she can turns dont amtter what

[royal edge]

not even a def broken diting follow up can kill one unit

chain of unfortunate events

[terse moss]

Liliam hitting so hard that she need to go to sleep after s3

[royal edge]

yea she's not dead! she said it's too easy and went to rest

[solid wigeon]

so gues u running her with hellkid then ot team full of bulwark

[orchid tundra]

aye I finally got to use her

[cold flicker]

a fast holden strip ur bulwark in seconds

a fast obol too

[orchid tundra]

my opponent lowkey fucked up with the speed tuning obol was slower than yeli

[solid wigeon]

no matter how u wish her to be all that good she will be mid kawaii

[cold flicker]

and she is

a niche unit is always mid

cause u just pick her in a very specific scenario

[solid wigeon]

12 lattice for that nah I am glad I did fall for it

[cold flicker]

the FOMO just made everyone spend for no reason

[solid wigeon]

and yes I do got her but I know XD was up to something

[cold flicker]

hope they learn and next time w8 for whales reviews

[solid wigeon]

thank goodness I got her in early 2 of her in one ten pull to be exact

so many people quit the game well guess XD will be dropping staff soon too people dropping like flies

[nova mason]

I hope I was you, spent 8 lattices on her instead of yeli and now Im regret

[solid wigeon]

man it's spells pain in every language

[royal edge]

she has potential in a cc hybrid dmg comp

but man cleave is left dead

[solid wigeon]

I said this to someone the other day it's gonna be awhile before they can create characters good like the ones from day 1 perma banner and i yet to regret my words

[shy furnace]

9 lattices in her so far and will upgrade skill 2 1 more time to make it work 10 lattice invested

[orchid tundra]

yea she's not it against tanks

or tanks are too strong

[nova mason]

fact that we all know

[royal edge]

if i were to guess it would be this

[nova mason]

the problem is bloodbath itself

[orchid tundra]

tries to kill holden -> get countered to 60% hp even when she's on BB

[shy furnace]

Have u guys seen kekker def? He runs tiamat 2 healers + liliam. Im coping but probably its on bb LoS right?

[solid wigeon]

yeah he has good BB gear to try that shit

and don't be fool that tiamat is the one gonna destroy u

I might build her in the future when I get a truck load of tofus

[orchid tundra]

rahu hits like a truuuuck

[hollow arrow]

yeah rahu s3 almost feel like massiah s3 in pvp

[orchid tundra]

even on this scuffed build

[hollow arrow]

watch them drop a support SSR L/D unit that gives 100% atk boost and instant turn to whoever the s3 targets to

and she becomes unstoppable

[cunning obsidian]

@orchid tundraofc mate , she has 0 inbuilt penetration and u att a holden with 4k def who cuts your dmg with bloodbath aswell

she is just not good into tanks , especially def scaling ones , she should be used to snipe ccs , or low hp targets

[coarse sorrel]

are you still trying to convince smooth brainers that say shes worse than sybil

[robust jetty]

up

[scarlet onyx]

Dev dont care

They prepare the prompt of the new char

[flat obsidian]

👍

[upbeat cedar]

no healing no cc aint no way you wanted to win this

[upbeat cedar]

obol soloes this so its just a draft diff, viper dead pick, no turn mannipulation either which is crucial for liliam, overall she seems to be the ideal unit for gvg because you have 100% control over flow of the battle against AI

[royal edge]

Liliam is basically a cc unit that helps to fight bruisers as well

thats the point of nahor and other def breakers

[upbeat cedar]

yeah nahor might shine with her

yeah looks like her niche is being played with cc

[royal edge]

ideally in rta u got 1.strip, 2. strip, 3. liliam, 4. def break, 5 def break

[royal edge]

yep the set up for her rn is just too much (against bruisers)

maybe in the future she will shine more

but gg against other ccs she's reallyy good

[upbeat cedar]

kinda unfortunate that it turns into speed race bc u have to go first

[royal edge]

yep, but against bruisers dont rlly matter

unless they sneak in their own openers

[upbeat cedar]

but then she'll just get banned

[royal edge]

yea, could go yeli or messiah on 3 but they already have def break/ignore

but thats where the cc comes in ig

nahor/obol cc

cleave in gvg is still rlly strong tho

also pretty sure with dinah, liliam count will reliably one shot bb bruisers

[shy vault]

you know

[upbeat cedar]

no bb s2 vs bb s2

[shy vault]

im realizing

if hein was released as a new banner instead of already in game

he’d be receiving the same response as liliam rn

[upbeat cedar]

hell nah he's not a dps

[shy vault]

most ppl did think and try to use him as one at first

[royal edge]

was the 40k from full hp or

[upbeat cedar]

yeah pretty much

[royal edge]

wow not too bad

with def break?

[upbeat cedar]

nah

obol-mio

[royal edge]

wow

whats ur build

momentum?

[upbeat cedar]

full dps

keeneye fury

with count

[royal edge]

sick

[upbeat cedar]

if it was tiamat i'd bring law instead

[royal edge]

skill lvls?

[upbeat cedar]

but it was holden

555

[royal edge]

[upbeat cedar]

basically bb or deth

i doubt massiah's s2 could kill anyone

[worthy hawk]

its an execute

does massive massive damage if ur below like 50%

[urban haven]

Out of context but can i see your makoto build? Currently building her but clueless

[vapid timber]

liliam is a very good unit 515

crit btw

[wooden widget]

I just built mine, very effective at fighting the cancer that is control

[upbeat cedar]

bb/strive or bb/speed

[scarlet onyx]

Lingluo S1 🙂

[upbeat cedar]

are you unironically sending me a screenshot of pve mode

[scarlet onyx]

No it ironically but i can do average 30k with same build than Liliam with S1 of lingluo. When i see "she need Strip and debuff" it s like admit she is useless AF. In this setup even a dps lingluo do the almost same job

[upbeat cedar]

who cares about pve there are gazillion pve units

the mental gymnastics are insane

Did you read her s2 that stuns a target, aoe stuns if the target is killed and immediately think 'ah yes i'm gonna use her in pve'

'i think she's gonna be exceptional in union especially'

[steep shadow]

At this point let's just hope these people Don't realize how great she is until after her banner ends.

The fewer people that have her, the easier RTA is for those of us they do.

[fleet sky]

You're not lying haha
the more people undersell her the more likely she is to catch CC players lackin'

erm...I mean, TERRIBLE UNIT. RESET EVENT DEVS. GIVE REFUND

[scarlet onyx]

If im salty its because i have full dupe and skill up her and she not shine in any situation. I have try bloodbath law - full dps count - full speed samuraix (that the better build i found actually ) BUT she is far lower than ALL other D&L SSR

[upbeat cedar]

WHAT THE FUCK MY LINGLUO DOES MORE DMG? DEVS FIX THIS NOW

[fleet sky]

[mortal jacinth]

Is white fang called samuraix in French or something

[scarlet onyx]

Yes

White fang

[fleet sky]

damn, that's a cold name

[scarlet onyx]

Yup

[fleet sky]

that's how they called kenshin when they dubbed it

[scarlet onyx]

Xiada is chadda

[mortal jacinth]

It sounds like an unregulated pre-workout brand that has Guangdong research lab meth in it

[mortal jacinth]

Tbh that's just how it's actually pronounced and nobody who speaks English says it right lmao

[fleet sky]

bro don't curse me with this knowledge

chadda sounds like some cute mascot

[fleet sky]

the agenda must be maintained at all costs

[mortal jacinth]

It sounds like someone saying Cheddar with a lot of New York spin on it

[scarlet onyx]

But anyway Liliam is far worse than all other D&L SSR unit and i have almost all unit of the game (61/62) and she is lackluster for real. She not need tons of buff, but a little help to put her at least just below yeli is just what the most people need

[fleet sky]

more pve targeted LDs will drop. Just give it time

[mortal jacinth]

Remember when people used to call Doki the worst LD

[fleet sky]

pepperidge farm remembers

[mortal jacinth]

I don't want PvE LD SSRs tbh. Lilu is a perfect example of what they need to add for PvE units

[scarlet onyx]

Yes but about my 34 multi on her and the 12 lattice ? I m fisted ?

[mortal jacinth]

If the game lasts a year you'll get tons of value out of her no cap

[mortal jacinth]

What the fuck

[scarlet onyx]

Good for tickles

[fleet sky]

fisted until the next reset

rip lattice tho

[scarlet onyx]

Reset dont give me 34 multi D&L

Atm, i want a buff or refound

[mortal jacinth]

Max dupe in 34 ain't half bad

[upbeat cedar]

bloodbath gigabyte build

[mortal jacinth]

What's that, 1.2x lucky?

[upbeat cedar]

💀

[fleet sky]

[scarlet onyx]

And ppl who said "test before" i was just baited by this

[fleet sky]

insanely lucky tho
got her off standard with Nilu so I can't relate to your pain

or was it Nell?

her name keeps changing

[upbeat cedar]

massive

[fleet sky]

bait for sure

should've added a "against squishy units. BB chads aren't losing"

[scarlet onyx]

Maybe massive mean : with good setup you can OS very squishy unit if she not die before.

[fleet sky]

highkey hate her ult though. It looks multi hit AOE but only does single target

[nova sparrow]

did these devs give up or what? people complaining left and right, 0 response

[fleet sky]

weekend

[scarlet onyx]

Yes i think, even the worst GvG have no return

[uneven juniper]

And then the kkk bandaid on Nilu’s thigh

[fleet sky]

nah, that kkk one is a reach

community too heated

[upbeat cedar]

it's not common for gacha devs to respond regarding an underwhelming unit

[fleet sky]

will find anything to rage about

[scarlet onyx]

Nilu should be the real price of the banner

[upbeat cedar]

especially since most of the feedback is straight up trash

[scarlet onyx]

And about GvG bug ?

Shell stuck if config pvp ?

[uneven juniper]

I mean if it’s like a one time thing I get but this has been reoccurring since launch

[upbeat cedar]

idk i thought it's a liliam feedback thread

[fleet sky]

when it comes to units like Liliam, I prefer to wait on the top players to test and let us know what's up.
Yeli was doomposted, Fuqiu was doomposted, Nahor doompost was valid tho

[uneven juniper]

Top players have tested

[upbeat cedar]

who tf doomposted fuqi, been using her since day 1

[uneven juniper]

Lilian is like mid A tier tbh

Useable

But not anything special

Does really bad into a multi bruiser comp though

[mortal jacinth]

A lot of people shit talked her and hyped up Nabore made those of us who liked her vid feel like we were dumb before she dropped

[scarlet onyx]

Liliam was launch thursday. I don't know if the have a normal weekend of 4 day or a massive weekend of 2 days

[mortal jacinth]

I think they wanted to give time for real testing

[uneven juniper]

Which sucks cuz cc comps are running Holden for strip

[upbeat cedar]

they won't say anything about liliam chill, they will only address game bugs

just accept that there won't be a reset event and u wasted 12 lettuce on her

[mortal jacinth]

If I could pre-ban Holden I'd have a much easier time below diamond

[scarlet onyx]

But now, they adress nothing about Liliam or bug

[uneven juniper]

12 lattice, 200 ld tickets, and 65K Gems

[fleet sky]

XD will do everything they can to resist giving a reset. Shell rebalancing is a loophole

[uneven juniper]

Or just buff every unit til the ones that aren’t buffed in a year fall out of meta entirely

[upbeat cedar]

she'll get buffed next rta season

[uneven juniper]

Hey we didn’t nerf guys idk why you are asking for a reset

[fleet sky]

[mortal jacinth]

They need to drop the goofy-ass mixed-stat scaling on SR and R bruisers

[uneven juniper]

Meanwhile Mizuki s1 does more damage than my Liliam s3

[fleet sky]

I know I'd be one petty mf after the community tried crucifying me over resets for shadow sania only to complain a week later that she's a 'must-have' for inferno

[uneven juniper]

She shouldn’t be a must have for inferno content though tbf

[fleet sky]

good thing I'm not in charge

[fleet sky]

agreed

the community's just is too quick to rage and amplified by drama ccs

[hazy cosmos]

Pick liliam to counter cc team....

[mortal jacinth]

They made their own bed by not communicating the changes before release

The community was right to rage

Considering the available information

[uneven juniper]

Ngl i feel bad for the people who don’t have liliam or doki since cc comps will just take ling or ban her

[fleet sky]

intern kun broke aurola

[uneven juniper]

[fleet sky]

but people were saying they nerfed sania

that is false

[uneven juniper]

They did nerf Sania

[fleet sky]

she still does her thing. Just not on aurola

[mortal jacinth]

Whether a nerf is internal or external, modifying the relative effectiveness of a unit is a nerf

[scarlet onyx]

Find who think Liliam is a must have unit. She is interesting at max

[uneven juniper]

Oh shadow Sania?

[fleet sky]

yeah

[uneven juniper]

Nvm

They nerfed green Sania

[fleet sky]

yeah

[mortal jacinth]

If the unit is less capable overall than it was before, it's nerfed no matter the mechanism

[mortal jacinth]

She's probably must-have if you want to be a top 100 mythic grinder or whatever

[uneven juniper]

My question is what the point of hp block is if Sania cleanses first before healing

[fleet sky]

now the best timeline would've been them adjusting aurolas text to allow for dots and leave it as-is

community happy
no need to give out reset

win-win

[scarlet onyx]

Like all animus ... R include

[mortal jacinth]

Who's drafting Rs up there

[harsh inlet]

smooth brain

[uneven juniper]

Top 100 is really easy to hit ngl

But

Yes you need every unit to contest

[fleet sky]

sybil nation took that personally

[uneven juniper]

I’ve only seen one cachi user in the top 100

no other R is played

[fleet sky]

buff Andrew

he's up next

[uneven juniper]

Which one

[scarlet onyx]

Liliam is played for test actually but stall still the best meta

[uneven juniper]

Just give Liliam a % def ignore

problem solved

They gave Messiah 70% def ignore and he’s used on bloodbath in meta now

And hits everyone aoe harder than liliam does single target

[fleet sky]

blue drew

[uneven juniper]

And he gives himself invincibility

[fleet sky]

bruhh what is that emote

[uneven juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/pitbull-pitbull-dog-dog-eyes-closed-cooked-closed-eyes-dog-meme-gif-10418303795235859885

[scarlet onyx]

Yes and Liliam is an unstopable tickles unit

[uneven juniper]

Just make it a like

30% def ignore

So I’m not hitting a viper for 5K damage if he has a def buff

[scarlet onyx]

Not sure is enough for save her

[uneven juniper]

It is

she doesn’t need to one shot on bloodbath

Or maybe they just nerf the shit out of bloodbath set next patch

I would be cooked

16 bloodbath sets

[fleet sky]

or do they buff rev to bring back the triangle meta?

bronze andys be damned

[scarlet onyx]

Next event X2, everybody go farm BB set and after enjoy RTA or any pvp content

[uneven juniper]

I’m happy that bruisers are strong but they did not need to nerf rev and buff bruisers

[fleet sky]

especially holden

[uneven juniper]

Cuz now all my bruiser units are being contested

[fleet sky]

he didn't need more buffs

[uneven juniper]

I wanted to be special

[fleet sky]

I'm grateful as a rahu enjoyer for his buffs tho

[uneven juniper]

Rahu did not need buffs either tbh

[scarlet onyx]

But rahu before buff stay better than liliam

[uneven juniper]

Low invested rahu sucks sure but useable

Invested rahu is like thanos now

[hollow arrow]

rahu becomes raid boss if you let him live for too long

[uneven juniper]

You bring a Fuqiu/Doki or Lily and he scales really fast early

He just double ults and all of a sudden man is at 8+ stacks

Hitting you for 25K through bloodbath

[scarlet onyx]

Play Liliam feel like play a mosquito. Incontrôlable and annoying but just tickle

[mortal jacinth]

Have any of you picked Fuckyou by accident when you meant to pick Hoyan and vice versa btw

I keep playing while watching TV and doing it

[uneven juniper]

No

[mortal jacinth]

They look the same straight up

[uneven juniper]

No they don’t

But tbf mine is skinned I guess

[mortal jacinth]

Fuck that*

[harsh inlet]

fuq is thiccer

[mortal jacinth]

Gets me every time. Not my screenshot don't @ me about the shell

[fleet sky]

absolute wrath

[fleet sky]

I see it

[mortal jacinth]

The pose the hair part the element

[fleet sky]

fuq looks like a hoyan skin recolour

[nova sparrow]

imagine people still playing this game by next season

[uneven juniper]

What is that lizard doing there

[uneven juniper]

[fleet sky]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[deft swallow]

There are a lot of directions Liliam could take if the devs fully expanded on the parts of her kit left hanging.

• it makes a lot more sense for liliam to get a self cleanse in s3 than yeli. Self atk and speed buff but you’re still disabled afterwards if you have atk down??
• s3 shield pen…when are you ever going to hit a unit with a shield in a CC matchup?? This should just be “ignore all effects that reduce damage taken” (excluding set effects like bloodbath ofcs) so she could actually deal a non negligible amount of damage to units with def buff and maybe even hit through invincible (which atm would only really make her gain one more favorable matchup against massiah)
• s3 hp lock is a great concept if not for the fact that she tickles with her s3. For a unit that’s dedicated to counter the CC archetype, she wastes so much power budget into random ass things like the points above that she becomes a jack of all trades and a FAILURE OF ALL (except for countering pure cc).
• her S1 vamp is pretty cool and is quite thoughtful honestly by the devs as it makes her self sufficient at countering cc units with poor damage. But it’s nowhere near enough against bruisers even with lower damage. If they want to give her so much random anti bruiser shit in her kit, she’s gonna need an extra layer of self sustain whether it be damage reduction or defensive buffs

Like, it’s clear that her kit dabbles into countering bruisers as well, but it’s executed so poorly that you might as well just get rid of it all and redistribute the power budget to enhance what she’s actually good at doing. Either this, or you actually finish the cliffhangers thats in the rest of her kit

[dire jackal]

Another day of saying liliam is fine ppl should build her on non garbage gear and learn how to draft

[scarlet onyx]

Yes like massiah or lily they are garbage too

[lusty otter]

Only 100k DMG?

[deft swallow]

you can post stuff like this here my friend, people are gonna tell you that you're not allowed to compare liliam and diting in pve because apparently its illegal for a pvp unit to deal more damage than a pve unit. Even though one is an SR, one is an SSR...

[scarlet onyx]

Lingluo S1 deal just the half ? Then it's half massive damage ? (Without Freya)

This kind of message have no value

[lusty otter]

This s hit is edited

[scarlet onyx]

No...

[lusty otter]

😱whT

That's first boss ig try doing in inferno

Inferno bosses got more defence and resist

[fleet sky]

she didn't KO the gorilla like the trailer. False advertising

[scarlet onyx]

If you want

[lusty otter]

Les go nyaluni gonna cook

[lusty otter]

Oh yea the advertisement she said bring it on 😭

Getting nuked instead

[deft swallow]

another reason I think people are complaining is that liliam is an atk scaling dps. Are there any other meta atk scaling pvp dps that currently exists? Yes, like massiah or yeli where both of which deal way more damage. People are saying "you cant compare pve unit with pvp unit" but its kind of swept under the rug that the majority of pvp units DONT SCALE OFF ATK, so they naturally have a much different damage curves/floors/ceilings compared to atk scaling units in both pvp and pve content. People accept this fact, which is why units like rahu, holden, tiamat, are not being complained about in pve for doing less damage. Liliam, however, is atk scaling so you'd expect it to measure up to other atk scaling pve units. Being atk scaling natually loses a lot of bulk, so if you are squishy while ALSO not dealing that much damage, then its no wonder people are gonna complain

[lusty otter]

https://tenor.com/view/jungkook-jk-standing-next-to-you-bts-golden-stare-disbelief-gif-11398917700159347180

[vague crest]

can hoyan kill bb tanks? No i dont think so. Can she oneshot units not on bb? yes she can. Liliam is basiclly hoyan with a diffrent gimmik. Idk why ppl cant accept that. They are lethal if you draft both of them right. Can force bans on them or if they dont they single handly win you the fight if you dont draft like a monkey.

[deft swallow]

this is correct, but I think people are also right to expect a little MORE out of an LD unit compared to elemental unit

[vague crest]

shes immune to cc and one shot units shes suppose to kill. Has a heal thats decent and sometimes can stun/aoe. Thats better than any rgb unit

[lime escarp]

Hold on what?

[lusty otter]

Exactly

[vague crest]

My issue is she buffs brusier comps which are far stronger than any other comp right now.

[scarlet onyx]

No, holden or tiamat explode her. Even aupol is a bigger treat

Even vice have more use Sybil too

[vague crest]

Thtas because brusier is meta right now. I gurantee you she is futureproof

just the nature of her kit

[deft swallow]

listing characteristics of a unit like that without context can make any character sound broken. Let me use viper as an example:

• permanent silence on s1 to disable one enemy unit
• frequent aoe strips/atk down AND speed down to cripple the entire enemy team
• frequenct counterattacks to make the above two points even more prominient
• permanent damage reduction for the entire team to halt cleaves in their tracks
  You see what I mean?

[placid ingot]

@scarlet onyx the tourney i told you about is starting if you wanna tune in https://www.twitch.tv/car_6

[fervent kayak]

let's take for example Yeli the last l/d character and Liliam, don't you see the difference in their usefulness in pvp or pve? we search, rummage, and figure out where liliam will be useful and on the other hand we have Yeli

[deft swallow]

besides, any unit can oneshot "units their supposed to kill". Rilmocha has CC and can oneshot the entire enemy team. Is she considered widely good? Only in doki doki

[lusty otter]

Yea like if u -atk down on her she ain't one shot u u will eventually kill her

[vague crest]

Listen if you cant see how broken she is than i cant help you. Her gimmik is so broken that it will never be bad in the future

[scarlet onyx]

When i really cook

ONLY 200k !

[lusty otter]

Fury momentum right ik

[deft swallow]

look here brother, I'm seriously using her and I am not trying to understate her value. I LIVE for gimmick units like this. I think she has potential to be so much more is all.

[scarlet onyx]

No momentum

[lusty otter]

Then

[vague crest]

whata re you cooking XD

[deft swallow]

not enough bloodbath sets to use LMAO

so amber as substitute

this is the tickle build, spam S3 until you win

[vague crest]

build her full dps with count and only draft her 3rd or 4/5th if the enemy goes cc

thats her job to counter cc and one shot paperunits

[scarlet onyx]

Yes, BUT any speed rêv kill her, and its the problem

[lusty otter]

Rev again' 😂

[vague crest]

you counter rev with other units XD

what are you playing?

bruiser?

i like your loadout names

FastGOD XD

[scarlet onyx]

Since i have almost all unit ( need beyontin) i can play what i want

If Liliam give back there 12 tofu !

[vague crest]

So you play standard i assume and draft/react to your opponent

[scarlet onyx]

Yes

[vague crest]

Shes a huge option just dont force her into your first 3 picks

only if the enemy for some reason locks in kazu/obol first

[scarlet onyx]

When u see rahu holden fuqiu and lingluo ? And i have counter tiamat and Gsania, where is her place ?

[vague crest]

you dont draft her into bruiser

thats her worst matchup

[scarlet onyx]

Then u never see her because at diam and below this is 90% of the match up.

[vague crest]

well thats the current meta issue

[scarlet onyx]

The other ten are people who luck tons of speed

[vague crest]

she even buffs those meta comps

[scarlet onyx]

And have 350+ speed options

[vague crest]

you can b8 some ppl in if you first pick holden/ling whicha re good opener

so they react with cc and you lock in doki/liliam

[chrome sedge]

Pick liliam to get banned, they don’t ban her, gg game is over for me

[scarlet onyx]

I agree with that, LIliam is not that bad BUT she is really far behind other SSR L&D and its just a fact.

I just want she can be a treat like a massiah or yeli

Even Gsania have more treat

[vague crest]

Liliam can reach 10/10 if you draft good while Mass/Yeli can maybe reach 7/10. They never win you the match in the draft alone. Its jsut if you draft them bad liliam can be a 1/10 while mass/Yeli are simple to draft and often are in the middle 7/10.

i rather have her than the other 2 for pvp that is.

The only thing thats weird is the ultimate with the HP shred. It doesnt make sense and wont come into play rly. That made ppl think shes good into bruiser

[scarlet onyx]

Yes but she is almost never a 10, more a 5 max

[vague crest]

only if you force her into a draft. She is a counter pick not a universal tool.

[scarlet onyx]

If they have any reduce atq she down to a 2 or 3

[vague crest]

like Hoyan. YOu dont pick Hoyan if you see a massa in ban protcet vs you

[scarlet onyx]

Cause BB , 30% reduce damage in pvp and meta stall

[vague crest]

She wont see play if you dont play bruiser yourself and your enemy try to pick cc into you.

Maybe some ppl try her with bb and strive etc but at that point just pick something else that will do better anyway

[scarlet onyx]

Yes then is too situationnal for a L&D SSR. She should be a SR with all this condition and nobody whine

[vague crest]

I think she will see plenty of play in high rta

[scarlet onyx]

Like a SR like aupol or kazuyo or Gsania not SSR this is the problem

The value of the unit is too low for the cost. She isn't bad but too situationnal for high investment. Maybe in a year she can shine not now

In anycase thank you for the debate, you add argument and u not trolling.

[coarse sorrel]

Dam is this clown still going at it

[crimson mango]

Yep. The 11 yellow lettuce I spent on lilliam has the lowest return on investment of any SSR I’ve put lettuce on.

[uneven juniper]

in like beta - she used to be able to cleanse while cc'ed

now she cant

[lime escarp]

Ah

[dire jackal]

Old beta helkid from exodia of a unit to teletubbies

[solid flicker]

tbf if you just land that on a Tiamat she's crippled for the rest of the match, that's really nice

[twin flame]

Not really because it was tested and units that scales with hp do practically the same damage even with the hp shred from liliam

And she does no damage so her hp shred on tanks is insignificant

[dire jackal]

This rik guy top tier silver doomposter

[vague crest]

i get clown emojis from silver players but you just have to accept it

thanks to them we have this shitty meta

[solid flicker]

real man

[cold flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MAwx4D-2o

If u guys need some draft lessons and why she is good

watch this video

[solid flicker]

no dude let the crybabies say she's terrible this way they may buff her and we'll have more fun

[cold flicker]

No, i dont want her to be buff to the point that every brainless player can use her, No yeli 2.0 ty

[deft swallow]

theres a $2000 tournament happening live rn. You can go watch the stream and see just how bad her performance is...

top players in the world participating btw, no gear quality, pick/ban knowledge incompetence here

just a pure showcase of how terrible liliam is

[cold flicker]

"terrible"

[harsh inlet]

that's funny

[cold flicker]

the guy won with her

🤡

[harsh inlet]

cuz I just saw her win a match

[deft swallow]

ya, you pick her when its already a free win lol

[cold flicker]

wtv fits ur agenda mate

[harsh inlet]

I guess u can't realize it

[cold flicker]

u gonna find an excuse

[vague crest]

its a terrible pick in that match

[fleet sky]

Agenda: Restart

[cold flicker]

to all the facts i will say

[harsh inlet]

like if u just used ure brain u would know she's good if she's getting drafted so much

[deft swallow]

go watch the entire vod lol, out of like 11 total picks, only 3 games she actually did anything. Rest of games she lost or the rest of her team carried

[harsh inlet]

why are they drafting her?

I guess they wanna test her at the tourney

[cold flicker]

cause she sucks, they are trolling

🤡

[deft swallow]

well, clearly they know more than us

[cold flicker]

well, clearly alot of high tier player already tried to explain in this chat and the other one but everyone finds an excuse to them

[deft swallow]

no amount of explaining beats actual gameplay

you can make up theoritical situations all you want, but its never going to happen

[harsh inlet]

what is "gameplay"?

[cold flicker]

maybe cause ur gameplay sucks

🤡

[deft swallow]

not mine, the livestream

you clown

[cold flicker]

they drafting mostly versus tanks

not her shine area

[harsh inlet]

they are drafting her

[deft swallow]

surely you realize by now that pretty much every game has a few tank by now

if we play her the way shes "supposed" to be played, she literally will not see ANY play at all

[harsh inlet]

clearly she saw play in this tourney

almost every game she was either picked or banned

they must be trolling

[cold flicker]

bottom guy have liliam, top guy is cc player, guess who wasted a pick to counter pick the bottom guy?

[vague crest]

they forced her way to much

how often did they draft her into no cc ....

[cold flicker]

mostly every time

if not banned

or prebanned

[deft swallow]

yes, because there simply isnt any pure CC comps

which means that she'd have a 0% pick rate if you wanna be optimal...

[vague crest]

its alrdy enough vs 1 cc jsut to counter it

which happend in the tourney

jsut to break the cc chain for the other units

[deft swallow]

look at that one game with the non-bb kaz. She couldnt even one tap that

[vague crest]

yeah i assume they build this shitty bruiser liliam

[mortal jacinth]

HP seal doesn't decrease max HP in any other calculations sadly

[vague crest]

just build her full dmg and pick her to do the job she can do

[harsh inlet]

this yeli unit SUCKS

can't one shot bb tanks

[vague crest]

my liliam isnt even final build and i one shot everything thats not on bb

[harsh inlet]

and she almost got counter killed

[solid flicker]

really ? so it doesn't work like against Lilith last ember treck?

[harsh inlet]

trash unit

[cold flicker]

T5 yeli right now

🤡

[harsh inlet]

garbage unit

why pick her ever in tank meta?

she can't kill anything

and she's a premium LD!

buff yeli now!