Liliam is lackluster

[static mortar]

she has cc immunity to counter cc, but then can't actually do that much with it

[fallen isle]

F2p players celebrating this feedback rn

[static mortar]

and finally she has damage scaling abilities to be a big damage dealer

but nothing else that actually enables her to deal damage

[hidden tinsel]

i think, maybe all of her skills can do hp lock so she can counter hp/def bruisers with more tempo etc

[static mortar]

honestly

she just has a shit design

she's super problematic

[hidden tinsel]

i agree

[static mortar]

because its true

if she get overbuffed

she will be a monster

[scarlet onyx]

Even if you double her damage is not enough for being compare with yeli

[static mortar]

a monster with 0 fucking counterplay

honestly she needs a rework LOL

[static mortar]

go with this, remove her cc immunity and stun, and give her more innate turn cycling

[hidden tinsel]

the counterplay is, she is squish

[static mortar]

not if u buff her numbers/stats

if u give her HP scaling for example

she would become a fantastic, anti cc bruiser

[hidden tinsel]

i like

[static mortar]

but then she might be unkillable

[scarlet onyx]

A counter stall who lose vs stall. Nice idea they got

[static mortar]

the only kinda sad but non-broken option

is to give her FULL debuff immunity

in terms of reworking mechanics^

but i liek the idea of just minor stat buffs

[hidden tinsel]

hp scaling i like more so she can do dmg, tank and survive more

[static mortar]

Give her turn meter steal on S1, fix her S2 to scale off ORIGINAL max hp before hp lock, and then make it so her hp lock can't be cleansed away by fking amber or revive

and she's genuinely in a fantastic, but nto overly broken spot

[static mortar]

yea but how the fuck do you kill a 40K hp self-healing cc immune tank...

[scarlet onyx]

Change damage scaling for scale with HP could help her

[hidden tinsel]

wait

amber can cleanse hp lock?

lol

[static mortar]

think so

whenever someone revies

[hidden tinsel]

bruh

[static mortar]

they just get their max hp back

so revive + heal

go back to full hp

[hidden tinsel]

she is dogshit

[static mortar]

and ur back to square 1

LOL

[scarlet onyx]

Dogshit win

[hidden tinsel]

sad

i like the design, even buy the skin hahahah

[scarlet onyx]

But dog shit don't cost 2k$

At this point, if no patch tomorrow i will check for refound and stop this game

[hidden tinsel]

i think they gonna hotfix her

maybe on 2~3 days

[scarlet onyx]

Too disgusting for me

[hidden tinsel]

they make the same thing with yeli

a little but

hotfix

[static mortar]

yeli's bugs weren't gamebreaking tho

/make the unit literally useless

in fact didn't the bugs make her better?

LOL

[mortal jacinth]

Let me introduce you to the Summoners War unit Camilla, who cleanses when crit. We just dot her or nuke her

[modest gale]

They need to fix shit I don’t care what they want to remove from her kit just outside of her cc immunity just keep that for certain and make her actually deal damage their is no point in a kit that does a lot if it’s all self buffs when the character deals no damage

[mortal jacinth]

Oboro... The Liliam counter...

[static mortar]

i mean, i think its a lie to say she doesn't deal damage

people seem to be able to deal substantial damage with her

i think the issue comes frmo her needing to build like a glass cannon

which then at that point ur just a ST cleave unit

with CC immunity

[dire jackal]

This is still ongoing

[static mortar]

so then ok, lets build her bloodbath

[odd hound]

that would be hilarious

[static mortar]

if we build her bloodbath, she deals good but not broken damage

[hidden tinsel]

more complaning = more views

[static mortar]

so she can probably still kill things, but not gonna 1 shot

then she gets outsustained and stalled by gsnaia/amber abuser

and also probably doesn't win against brusiser

[modest gale]

I owe her max skill 3 and best gear I have does worse dmg than even my sub dos units like Heinrich and viper

[static mortar]

ok then ur probably just delusional

if u think viper does more damage

[scarlet onyx]

If they reduce her damage, pretty sure she can heal enemies

[static mortar]

like what the fuck kind of take is that

[dire jackal]

Her dmg is fine yall need to stop doomposting day 1 of every new unit

[modest gale]

That’s the point he shouldn’t but she does no damage

[static mortar]

i can accept her damage being fine

but then her kit is still dsyfunctional

[modest gale]

Have you even tried her you are delusional

[static mortar]

she just gets completely nullified by gsania

[mossy folio]

She kills the stuff she’s meant to counter. Kaz, Obol etc

[static mortar]

who just rez whoever gets killed

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah hit like lingluo S1 is cool

[dire jackal]

I have, both 1/1/1 and 5/5/5 she is fine, p strong unit

[static mortar]

yea. WHich is stupid. That means her ENTIRE value as a unit is SOLELY her passive

as i mentioned before

you can literally slap her passive on fucking sybil

[dire jackal]

Stop trying to force every unit into what they cannot do

[static mortar]

and u would be able to do what she does most likely

[wild coyote]

Whats the problem with that tho? Thats true of almost every unit

In fact, Id argue thats great design

[static mortar]

no?...

[wild coyote]

Look at Heinrich for example

[static mortar]

whats yeli 1 note that makes her good

[hidden tinsel]

bruh

LOL

[static mortar]

one sec

i went over this in more detail earlier

[wild coyote]

her passive

lmao

[dire jackal]

In full dps cleave setup she one shots units through bb, she is autowin vs cc and is usable as bruiser idk what more u want from a unit

[static mortar]

^

[mossy folio]

If they’re going to release tons of units for a long time without power creeping. That’s how specific the niches are going to have to be

[static mortar]

went over each niche of the LD ssrs

they all haev multiple strengths that add up to them being quite good

[odd hound]

Yeli presses S3 and her whole kit gets launched from S3 to S1

[static mortar]

if you take away 1 single thing, they get significantly weaker, but also don't just LOSE their entire identity. They just become unable to fully fulfill their intended niche

[hidden tinsel]

which units? tiamat 55k hp bb her barely do 30% dmg

[scarlet onyx]

Niche is for RGB sr not LD SSR

[hidden tinsel]

rahu, holden she cannot do ANYTHING

besides die

[harsh inlet]

lol

[mossy folio]

Those aren’t what she’s supposed to be used against ….

[hidden tinsel]

1 counter with super sayian tiamt and boom, die

[modest gale]

Lying that she isn’t bugged ain’t gonna help anyone it’s a fact that people feel betrayed by a terrible single target triple cost unit with their full investment will want to quit when they invested so much and their unit can’t deal any damage. I personally will quit if her damage doesn’t get addressed because this is how I feel the game is already pleading player for many reasons all the time if they don’t fix this the game is one step closer to its grave.

[static mortar]

exactly. Each part of her kit flows together. Compare with massiah, he has def/passive ignore S3 into invuln. Then has high ST S2 to cleanup while being invincibile. It makes a lot of sense

[hidden tinsel]

maybe hahahaha

but who knows

[static mortar]

why does liliam even have hp lock?

why does she have a missig hp scaling S2

[scarlet onyx]

Totally agree

[wild coyote]

Whats yeli's identity without her passive? generic cleavetard unit. Liliam is the same, just single target

[static mortar]

ahy does she have CC on her S2?

[wild coyote]

Why not?

[odd hound]

The whole kit design is just messed up, I don't know what were they thinking

[peak saffron]

clearly toasty has never played league of legends

where champions have a bunch of random shit for 0 reason

[static mortar]

and thats a good thing?

[scarlet onyx]

Single target with 0 damage what a chance !

[static mortar]

LOL

[peak saffron]

nah I didnt say it was a good thing

im just saying its common trope

[static mortar]

yea

[odd hound]

I'd rather they copy Navy Captain L*ndy 1:1

[dire jackal]

She wins vs tiamat if u arent drafting like crap, rahu and holden are normal as def% units are much tankier than slapping hp. She can win vs rahu depending on draft, holden is p much a LD atp

[static mortar]

so fuck me for not advocating for shit designs that are commonly present in other games

and wanting a unit to have an actually synergistic kit

where all your abilities have meaningful impact and flows well together

[wild coyote]

I dont get it

whats wrong with her s2?

or s3?

[mossy folio]

Yes, let’s copy a unit that ruined PvP for a year ….

[harsh inlet]

how does she not have a synergetic kit?

[scarlet onyx]

Are you kidding ? 0 world she win vs a lighthouse BB tiamat

[static mortar]

i mean

[wild coyote]

s2 is perfect, you throw a no-u to obol, one shot him and stun everyone back

[static mortar]

it sounds liek shes only supposed to counter CC units

[dire jackal]

Easily

[wild coyote]

thats the fantasy anyway

[hazy dust]

Have you guys seen the post about the stat difference between pve and pvp for liliam?

[hidden tinsel]

tiamat with bb plus sania + linguo on bb of course u gonna kill her

[static mortar]

and NOT supposed to do anything to anyone else right?

she's not supposed to be good into generic cleave

[harsh inlet]

I like how confident u are when this unit was released less than 24 hours ago

[static mortar]

and she's not supposed to be good into brusiers right?

[hidden tinsel]

yes

[wild coyote]

s3 is also perfect, shes supposed to be a counter pick unit that stands on her own without external support (atk up, spd up)

[dire jackal]

Ah yes my enemy has perfect draft and im drafting lian type shi or?

[simple zephyr]

bruiser already arguably the most dominant meta strategy and the newest LD SSR gets easily beaten if you just throw any RGB bruiser at her 😭

[static mortar]

i mean honestly if u just bring gsania

does she even hard counter cc comps?

bring gsania + 1 actual dps and ur kinda cooked no

[harsh inlet]

u can kill the green sania??

[mossy folio]

Yes

[hidden tinsel]

lily massiah liliam dokidoki valerian

[static mortar]

and then what

she dies to the dps

[hidden tinsel]

ban massiah

[static mortar]

assuming enemy takes t1 so ur entire team is already CC'd

[odd hound]

Yeah it's obviously a joke but at least her kit makes sense is what I'm saying lol

[harsh inlet]

which is why she's being built as a bruiser

[static mortar]

but if she's built as bruiser

[deep locust]

Pretty dog character not gonna lie. Very disappointing considering how much ld pulls cost

[static mortar]

how the FUCK are u oneshotting 50k hp BB gsania?

[dire jackal]

That sounds like a p useless draft

[scarlet onyx]

What the point of a bruiser with no debuff or damage ?

[wild coyote]

What do you want lmao? haha enemy picked cc, liliam goes brrr 100% winrate

[harsh inlet]

first of all that already happend

[hidden tinsel]

hahahahahahhaha

[static mortar]

i mean... yea LOL

its a fucking niche

[harsh inlet]

second u don't need to one shot her

like which dps reliably one shors 50k bb sania

[static mortar]

thats like saying t1/cleave SHOULDN'T auto win if you're able to outspeed non bruiser comps

[wild coyote]

a "niche" against 50%+ of the teams out there lol

[static mortar]

if u don't one shot how are u kiloing her

she just fucking heals

[harsh inlet]

she's not cleave

[static mortar]

and then their team takes a turn

[harsh inlet]

heal what?

[scarlet onyx]

Don't feed the troll.

[harsh inlet]

her debuff is yellow

[simple zephyr]

control comps aren't the majority of all teams, wut

[static mortar]

assuming u get gsania to like

25% hp

and she heals to 50%

does her S2 even kill

[wild coyote]

Beyontin, hoyan, law of silence + bloodbath DPS, theres plenty of counter play and thats a great thing, isnt it?

[harsh inlet]

maybe not

but then what just hit again

she's fast with low cd

[queen compass]

When is Liliam getting a rework

[static mortar]

ok maybe bad example on my part cuz cleave / bruiser are like, the 2 main archetypes so ofc theyre gonna have counterplay.

[wild coyote]

not sure how the field looks like after rev nerfs, but cc and bruiser are definitely gonna be the most common comps, I believe?

[static mortar]

But like, can't we agree that CC is already a VERY niche cheese strat?

liek what the fk kind of bullshit

is picking 0 dps

and ONLY control units

[harsh inlet]

no??

wtf

[static mortar]

and slowly whittling down the enemy to kill

[harsh inlet]

it's the direct counter to bruisers

which is the meta rn

[simple zephyr]

CC is a common strat but I'd guess it's maybe like 25-30% of teams ppl run

[static mortar]

idk, was there like

[dire jackal]

Cc is niche? Are we playing same game or?

[scarlet onyx]

XD yeah top 200 RTA play only CC

[static mortar]

PURE CC?

like literally picking no dps

and killing people with stuns and sleeps and shit

idk that sounds chese as fuck to me

[scarlet onyx]

Never see full CC after gold in RTA but ok

[harsh inlet]

why does it have to be full cc

[wild coyote]

i think the problem is that we have this triangle in the first place, its full cc vs full bruiser vs full cleave
From what I remember in SW, everything is mixed up and interesting

[simple zephyr]

CC team doesn't mean 0 dps tho it means multiple CC characters and relying on consistently controlling the enemy as a main part of your win condition

[harsh inlet]

they can have 2 cc and perma control ure team

[static mortar]

sure

[odd hound]

usually it's Lilith slapped onto bruiser comp

[dire jackal]

Can i introduce u to the bugged unit dr. mr. Obol, kazuyo and lilith

[static mortar]

i can't dispute that since im not top 100 rta or anything

[static mortar]

YEA

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[scarlet onyx]

And full CC team with just 1 dps OS liliam

[static mortar]

WHY AM I GASLIT INTO THINKING THIS ISN"T CHEESE AF

AND SHOUlDN"T BE A "MAINSTREAM" STRATEGY

WTF?

[harsh inlet]

bro u ok?

[static mortar]

why are we looking at obol kauzyo lilith comps and thinking

yea

this should be a staple comp in the game

[odd hound]

anyway can liliam even kill lilith? she's tanky af

[dire jackal]

Bcs it was really common in high rank rta last season and u can bet it will still be common this season

[static mortar]

I KNOW

JUST CUZ ITS COMMON

DOESN"T MEAN ITS NOT FUCKING BULLSHIT

[simple zephyr]

idk I've seen a ton of people saying since the first weeks that there's 3 main PVP archetypes. Cleave/t1, bruiser/t2, control

[static mortar]

CONTROL YEA

CONTROL USUALLY MEANS

[harsh inlet]

depends on many factors like every dps

[static mortar]

U STILL HAVE FUCKING DAMAGE

its also kinda weird tho cuz of rev

[dire jackal]

Dps build 1 shots her, bruiser build she jsut kills her in a ult and an auto or 2 ults if healer in game

[simple zephyr]

where is the CC team means no damage thing coming from idk who was sayin that

[static mortar]

where its like, u don't need damage cuz u can just rev kaz, rev obol, rev whatever

[harsh inlet]

the only difference is that u can't heal her hp cut like other dps

[static mortar]

if they ahve damage, liliam is just fucked tho then no

what damage are u bringing in cc team?

[odd hound]

liliam can oneshot lilith through bloodbath?

[static mortar]

liek an actual dps?

or just rev supports

[harsh inlet]

depedns like literally any unit on the game

like in what comp

[wind void]

Nice try, XD Employee

[static mortar]

cc

[wild coyote]

you either build accuracy or rev, both is pretty difficult I believe? not 100% sure tho

[static mortar]

what do people usually draft as damage in full cc comps

idk either

but anyways

[harsh inlet]

doki/ling

[static mortar]

looking solely at Gsania + dps

doesn't that just auto win against liliam

[dire jackal]

Can one shot most units through bb unless they have dogshit build the wall statline of triple hp specially a unit like lilith that goes 2~ eff hits as main stats and insight/gaze

[harsh inlet]

ok what about other dps

[static mortar]

prolly banned

[harsh inlet]

something will get thro

name one good dps and tell me what it will do

[static mortar]

ur drafting 2 dps with liliam?

[harsh inlet]

no liliam is trash

not drafting her

[static mortar]

???

fuck are u asking then

[wild coyote]

LMAO

[dire jackal]

[harsh inlet]

name other good dps and tell me why are they better vs g sania + dps

isn't the problem is that she can't kill 50k bb sania

and she can revive the dps then that dps will kill liliam

[dire jackal]

I mean if u run full hp ssania u are just free food in rta

[static mortar]

U would just fucking cleave

[static mortar]

40k hp isn’t that high

[harsh inlet]

cleave 50k bb sania?

[static mortar]

U can get 40k with strive bb

[dull basin]

are gsania generally used when ur running a cleave team?

gsania normally used in tanky t2 team right? u wouldnt expect any of those type of units to one shot liliam

even if shes on a full dps build

[harsh inlet]

not necessarily

standard also picks her

[static mortar]

Lilian loses to bruiser already

Also side note

Can we use formations for cage rumble?

[harsh inlet]

anyway this is pointless

[static mortar]

With the gear presets

[dire jackal]

Never said u cant, but is it good? Not rly. If u run triple hp sania u are just free points to a single cc unit

[harsh inlet]

just wait the next tourneys and see how the good players actually use her

she's still being tested

but ppl here claiming she does negative dmg is absurd

at least in pvp

not sure what's going on pve

[static mortar]

Yea

I could care less about her damage

I just think her kit synergy doesn’t make that much sense

[harsh inlet]

I just literally saw her on stream beat a full juiced bruiser team btw

not one shot

[static mortar]

I mean at the end of the day

[harsh inlet]

took sometime but she kills everything

[static mortar]

I hope I’m wrong

I honestly hope I’m talking out of my ass

Fully delusional

And that she’s actually very good

[wild coyote]

People complained about yelis damage when she came out even more than this

[harsh inlet]

her dmg isn't the highest

[wild coyote]

by that logic, she will be insane in a couple of days

[storm knot]

share the clip

[harsh inlet]

but the hp seal effect is very strong

and the cc immunity is busted

[storm knot]

i think she will be good if used not like an assasin but a build up killer, like bruiser with healer and debuff team

maybe im wrong, i will test her

i know her dmg wont be good enough maybe, but is all what we can do now until they check her

if something is bugged or she really needs a buff

[harsh inlet]

I can't he doesn't save his vod

lemme check sei

I can't clip because I need to follow for 1 day

[wild coyote]

Whos the streamer btw?

[harsh inlet]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2527225660?t=02h54m05s

[harsh inlet]

was watching trueevil

he play bruiser and got melted slowly by liliam

well it wasn't that slow

[modest gale]

They complained for a bit when an update came and her follower up wasn’t working properly for a little bit which the devs addressed and fixed so literally was a valid issue.

[odd hound]

uhhh the streamer says she's underwhelming

[harsh inlet]

yeah cause he was using bb bloodbath strive with 1-1-1

u can go back and see his liliam build

[mossy folio]

“Looking at this she actually looks pretty OP” 🤣

[mossy folio]

Watch more than the first 5 seconds

He changes his tune quickly

[odd hound]

it's on the absolute ideal condition, though, he said it himself "momentum + atk buff + defense break + hacking progress S3"

[harsh inlet]

he doesn't know the build

the replay was sent by a viewer

[odd hound]

so what I learned from that video is she needs def break and lily

[harsh inlet]

to one shot bb tanks? yes

without them she will need multi hits like any other dps

u think mass or yeli can one shot bb tiamat?

without setup?

only difference here is tiamat can't heal the hp seal

[odd hound]

well, not oneshot, as tiamat needs 2 S3s and 1 S1

also where's her amber

[harsh inlet]

just kill her after amber

same with any other dps

why is this a liliam specific issue?

[wild coyote]

Dont forget, on lighthouse, and under 2k atk

[odd hound]

I think because liliam is our only single target DPS LD, so the expectations are higher

[simple zephyr]

what was the build/shell on her?

[harsh inlet]

don't know

it was used by the opponent

again just wait for more testing

she just came out

[simple zephyr]

oh the twitch u linked?

[harsh inlet]

that was another one

the one I just saw was trueevil but he doesn't save vods

so I just found another clip

[simple zephyr]

trueevil the goat

[mossy folio]

Amber Tiamat’s a meme at this point.

It’s been bugged so much they patched it multiple times and now it just gets countered by too many common picks

[odd hound]

"Yeli or Massiah or Rosa would've done way more with all that setup"

[coarse sorrel]

FWIW i had to test in guild war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG-fk41wl1Y

[crimson mango]

Also because she does less single target damage than an sr for single target damage.

Also, yeli does more single target damage than Lilliam does but with the added perk of murdering the whole enemy team.

[quartz geyser]

All I’m seeing is that Bloodbath is broken… and this isn’t news bloodbath breaks the balance of this game just the same as rev.

If anything it’s the etheria damage reduction affect that’s causing the issue

They get 30% damage reduce for round 1. Then 55% from bloodbath, then 10% from max dupe

[crimson mango]

It’s very similar feeling to how PvP changed in OG WoW when they added PvP specific resilience gear.

[lone jewel]

so play bruisers hey w8 we have anyone¿

[quartz geyser]

Yea I was gonna say I feel like I’ve seen this issue of statcking resistances before

[crimson mango]

It made even great raid gear feel like wet noodles against players with full resilience gear.

[quartz geyser]

It’s fine tho Rev was to strong

So only nerf that 😂😂

[brave wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-expectations-reality-gif-3531157

This was how they advertised liliam

And how she turned out

[deep locust]

Might b the he worst premium character I’ve ever seen in a gacha

[static mortar]

ok it can't be that bad

e7 has had so many flops for MLs

lilian is definitely usable

its just she's such a sad fking excuse for a unit compared to massiah and yeli...

[terse moss]

She need to be at least 511 to be a "counter - pick" unit or completely useless.

[vast rain]

Yeah she just doesn't seem worth the investment unless you have the lattice to spare for her and you need her to counter cc in pvp

There are a lot more generally good units more worth investing lattice into

[quartz geyser]

idk right now neither of those do fk all in pvp either

so she is pretty much on par with them

[static mortar]

oh no shi

[terse moss]

Yeah. Tried pick her with bruiser build vs rahu in rta. It was a disaster

[static mortar]

i think prolly 5-1-5 even tbh

[vast rain]

She's not meant to be the answer to turn 2, just cc

Sure she can pair well with other units against certain turn 2 setups but thats not where shes really good at

[cunning obsidian]

Turn 2 teams are way to op ATM , the stacking off all those dmg reduction effects is aids

[vast rain]

She's just too niche/specific to justify investing lattice into unless youre trying to climb pvp ladder

[cunning obsidian]

Even yeli and Masiah strugle nowdays vs a turn2 stack

[terse moss]

Mine 514, did ~ 30-35k vs non bb squishy but couldn't even kill bb yeli (~50% yeli hp)

[vast rain]

Need def break if you want to one shot through bloodbath

[cunning obsidian]

U wont oneshot even with def break prolly

[terse moss]

Yeah, kinda need alot of requirements to kill bb unit

[vast rain]

I dont think thats her purpose

[terse moss]

And her hp seal is shit tbh

[cunning obsidian]

It isnt , but they made a big mistake not nerfing turn 2 setups

Bloodbath is way to overtuned

[placid ingot]

They advertised her in NicoNana without any stats or anything so idk what youre talking about here

[terse moss]

I do not wish for her to 1 shot bb bruiser but at least do around 25-30%hp not 10-15%.

[static mortar]

ngl this isn't even a liliam problem

its honestly a bb problem

[fleet sky]

Oh shit, true. They did advertise her as the Niconana killer 😂

[fiery gale]

Actually true LMAO.. what a joke of a LD unit

[placid ingot]

Dont forget she also saved Sybil from Niconana

Maybe people are looking elsewhere on who shes really powercreeping

[young fjord]

Is there an indicator of her S3 HP seal ability? I just played a few matches of RTA and I don’t see it do anything.

lol

I’m dumb

It was hiding behind enemy buffs

[coarse apex]

Bruh why? On day one?

[brave wraith]

Bro why are you coping so hard, they said she will be good in pvp. That’s like her only gamemode and she doesn’t shine in it

Are you saying she wasn’t advertised as a strong pvp hero? Her skills looked insane on paper

This is the video I was referencing

Said she will be “highly effective in PvP” with rev shell on for showcase

[placid ingot]

Okay jokes aside, I may have missed it, but what did you expect her to be? Like Yeli/Massiah level?

[fleet sky]

The conspiracy theory that her kit was changed after rev nerf is starting to make more sense

[brave wraith]

I was thinking she’d be better then massiah honestly. Because she worked so well with bruiser and counter bruiser/cc comps unlike massiah sometimes

[young fjord]

Easy fix to her would be to change her S3 into a multi hit.

[static mortar]

for a PVP ONLY?

is that too much to ask?

[brave wraith]

Lmao

[placid ingot]

Idk man, you said "she worked so well with bruiser and counter bruiser/cc comps unlike massiah sometimes" like what else is there to add?

[tranquil wing]

probably she was, but dev change it last minute. IIRC she was using reve in the intro video

[static mortar]

like yeli and even massiah, yeli being the main one with amazing pve usage

and then quite versatile in pvp

while being top tier

meanwhile liliam is not only NOT top tier in pvp

and NOT versatile

she's also borderline useless in pve

[brave wraith]

We only have like 3 bruiser options in rahu, Holden, Tiamat

[static mortar]

which is fine if it ewren't for the previous things

[brave wraith]

She could of been then queen of bruiser teams

[static mortar]

if she's gonna be niche

fine

if she's gonna be only pvp fine

[placid ingot]

Queen of bruiser is Holden everyone knows that

[static mortar]

but u can't ALSO be mediocre like come on

[fallen oar]

You sleeping on the green girl that dispell and counter,she beat tiamat

[placid ingot]

Yea i get it

[brave wraith]

Oh yeah hoyan is a good option I forgot

[fallen oar]

Not hoyan...i mean sr girl

[terse moss]

mizuki

[brave wraith]

Oh yeah her too

[placid ingot]

The expectation was since shes LD she should be at least core to bruiser team or whatever

But she turned out to be the last pick vs CC teams

[brave wraith]

Is she dps though?

[fallen oar]

Yea hoyan is more of dps

[placid ingot]

But do you guys really want another OP LD this early in the game?

[brave wraith]

I’m not even convinced she is working properly

Or maybe she just is underwhelming

[brave wraith]

The sr girl you were talking about? Isn’t she debuff or something

[placid ingot]

Well, theres 20 days left on her banner

Doesnt hurt to wait and see

[brave wraith]

True

They got time

[placid ingot]

Why are you dying?

[brave wraith]

We don’t have to summon a LD, maybe it’s for the best

Best for the economy

[placid ingot]

WE got time

[fallen oar]

No the sr girl i talking about is mizuki makoto

Def scaler,can allies def buff and dispell,has innate counter buff after take dmg X times,when counter she can dispell 1 buff and inflict wound with the worst chance 50%

[crimson mango]

But now we got a boatload of global 1 players who are getting their first LD pull (like me) and feel like it’s dogshit

[fallen oar]

Should just use the ticket on L/D regular banner

[placid ingot]

You mean as f2p, you didnt have enough LD summons for Yeli so you were expecting the next LD banner, Liliam, to be good?

[brave wraith]

lmao that is an issue too but they will make it right with the community somehow

either buffing/fixing her or giving everyone a reset event

[crimson mango]

Nah, they’ll make the next LD unit better and f2p/light spenders won’t be able to get it lol

[tranquil wing]

reset event is not good for their income, dont think it will happen

[brave wraith]

neither are angry players

They will do something to compensate people

[tranquil wing]

i do hope they buff liliam instead

[placid ingot]

What the hell is that kind of mindset i cant

[brave wraith]

its just the truth hyper

[placid ingot]

Whatever

[brave wraith]

they expect us to pay 3x gems for a LD unit, we expect it to be good

especially if you cant use her many places

dont think that is a crazy mindset

[placid ingot]

I can always hold on to my money though, seeing that she's not saving my account

[fallen oar]

F2p can always get new L/D banner unit with this kind of banner schedule even if you 80 pity every banner

[placid ingot]

Thats MY decision, not theirs

[brave wraith]

She just has a weird spot in pvp and not useful in pve, feels bad

[young fjord]

Absolutely this. LDs in every other game were borderline PTW. At least make her on par if not slightly better than current units.

No shot if they don’t buff her. W patch but a lot of people spent money on this banner and it just feels like a waste of resources and lattices.

[placid ingot]

If I expect everything around me to adjust for my sake, Im not surviving anywhere else in this damn world

[brave wraith]

but we are literally their customers pretty much

it is a good idea to keep your customers happy and communicate accordingly

[brave wraith]

lmao

its a survival game ig

[placid ingot]

Yea

[brave wraith]

If you paid for a nice meal and didnt get what you expected at all, you would want something else at least right?

[tranquil wing]

yea just pick 3 healer in rta and ez win

takes 10 minutes though

[brave wraith]

maybe even a refund

[placid ingot]

This is their responsibility yes, and my money is MY responsibility

[brave wraith]

thats why i think they will buff or give reset event

[placid ingot]

Even this is YOUR prerogative

Youre free to do so

[marble coral]

Do not worry some already quit due to this lilliam lives upto the faction

[brave wraith]

you are missing my point

[rose flower]

Is liliam a garbage?

[brave wraith]

im saying they would literally lose more money with no fixes then to give us a reset event

[fallen oar]

Not live up to.the hype....she is more like gotcha last pick kinda unit

[brave wraith]

no she is just kinda niche and big investment

[rose flower]

I hope she is greater than diting

But I think she cant

[brave wraith]

diting is easier investment for sure

[rose flower]

lol

[brave wraith]

and better in pve

[fallen oar]

Nope diting just better for pve

[brave wraith]

but diting cant be in bruiser comp like her

or maybe he can

[fallen oar]

You use her if enemy has no revive and pick some cc.....if you first pick lingluo and enemies get some bruiser+cc without revive then you can fck their with her

[brave wraith]

would probably do more dmg then her using a BB set lmao

[fallen oar]

Either need to ban your lingluo or her

[brave wraith]

Somebody said next unit will be a crazy liliam supporter and she will be meta then

[fallen oar]

Idk man anway this liliam doom shit gonna last atleast 21 days

[brave wraith]

atleast they didnt nerf diting

[crimson mango]

Beyond that. We stuck with her

[placid ingot]

Good analogy, but if we apply this to the current situation where they said "highly effective in PvP" in their video and we interpreted it as she is "Massiah/Yeli level who will save our accounts" and it turned out that she is just effective counter pick to CC comps, then we should also admit to ourselves that we misread the menu

[brave wraith]

Could be a bit of both for sure, im not going crazy on summons or anything. Definitely expected more out of her though

[placid ingot]

I did too to be honest

But i was also a turn 2 player who didnt have doki so pulling for her doesnt hurt as much as others i admit

[brave wraith]

Someone did math and said her calcs are fine apparently, the math looked correct. Maybe I was the one coping, talking about "she must be bugged"

[marble coral]

Yeah

I think she will never reach her ceiling though

With the current sets

[brave wraith]

yeah she might age well as the game goes on

even with multi hit S3 I dont think she could 1 tap BB units

[marble coral]

But by that time

U will get damage reflect units

Which eat her damage

And send back to her

[brave wraith]

They fix her down the road but she already got power crept

[placid ingot]

So we just have to survive until then?

[marble coral]

U forgot etheria is a survival game

[brave wraith]

lmao this company is pretty good with communication

[brave wraith]

Im sure they will say something to us about new unit being a let down

[marble coral]

They won't

[placid ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-1997-season-2-fan-pilot-berserk-guts-walking-through-the-rain-raining-scarred-edgy-gif-17139678360336250459

[brave wraith]

[marble coral]

Who told u their communication was good

Must be jack

[brave wraith]

Better then some games

I come from Idle Heroes

That game is mega dogshit now

no communication at all pretty much

$100000 for the best hero copy and you need like 15 teams

We should be happy we play this survival game now

[soft quarry]

So, Liliam is receive a buff or is still a dogchet?

[placid ingot]

Found the math, seems legit 👍

[brave wraith]

no news yet

[brave wraith]

yeah it looked good to me too

[soft quarry]

:C, I need my lattice back :C, I lost 12 of them

I need to build other better unit like khloros :c

[marble coral]

Dude why u expect communication from idle games

They are literally made to cash grab you

[brave wraith]

They were pretty good early on

[brave wraith]

Stuck on her for now

[soft quarry]

[mossy folio]

Where did you lose them?

[soft quarry]

Loose in a dogchet like Liliam :c

[terse moss]

She might be op in s2

[marble coral]

And they release her counter

In S1 itself

[terse moss]

[flat obsidian]

Yep !

[solid wigeon]

the devs are silent as always

[tepid basin]

Frfr

[flat obsidian]

@loud torrent @runic jackal @lavish linden @candid flint @grave owl @lavish chasm @south flint

Hey 😀 you read this? Would bei nice If you can put out a statement.. whats the Deal with Liliam.. ? 10000 Messages about her being bad and people stop paying/summoning, Whales that finance your game will be gone soon... Pls do something about it ❤️

She heals NicoNana Cage because best Support unit..

[marble coral]

Bro literally tagged all important people

[solid wigeon]

are the part of The Etheria team

[marble coral]

Ye

[flat obsidian]

Yeah iam pissed mate.. i wanted to go all in.. and See a Lingluo (Healer!!!) makes more dmg then a Liliam die real ??

[solid wigeon]

better they released the dragon guy Instead of Liliam if she was this bad man

[flat obsidian]

And 24 hours no Info.. i wanted to get her t5.. but not with a buged char.. i know peoole das No everything good... pls.. be Real for once.. and Help the community and dont argue against us, who likes her kit, her style everything

[marble coral]

The dragon guy just needed bleed enablers

[terse moss]

And he will do as much damage as liliam

[fallen oar]

Someome cook bleed build and if enough stack it can deal like 187k pure dmg tho

[steady minnow]

Devs don't know how to handle issue

[true portal]

Rework this fucking shit!

[scarlet onyx]

Remove this shit at this point

[vapid timber]

[frosty pulsar]

and my liliam healed more than ling

not even joking

[flat obsidian]

Yea 😂

[frosty pulsar]

she's my healer in cage rumble niconana

[flat obsidian]

We now know where to use her 😂😂

Max 1 hour and they will fix that Heal Bug

[frosty pulsar]

how's it even a bug

[flat obsidian]

Ironic 😂

[silk bane]

still no words from the dev? what a good service provider 🤣

[flat obsidian]

Nothing Mate

Not even a There is No Problem good luck with him and thanks for the Money 😂

[robust jetty]

up

[royal edge]

isit actually viable, a non CCeable healer ;O

[frosty pulsar]

idk she kept me alive during union boss, she kept me alive for niconana, haven't done any rta testing with this build cuz no proper fortissimo shell

but mostly doing it because it's fun

[scarlet onyx]

She kill only one thing : 💸

[hollow arrow]

successfully killed 12 lattice

[scarlet onyx]

I whine now each time i open animus and see this

[regal edge]

120k gems investment, or at least equivalent to

damn

[lone jewel]

i spent 12k gems and it hurts so i fell u bro

[hollow arrow]

are they addicted on recoloring skins

[raw raven]

when dummies buy them why not sell them? 😄

[untold gate]

no wonder shes from the EoS faction 🤣

[hollow hamlet]

I think I have seen this before it happened to me too.

[last egret]

Nahh its actually so obvious she was meant to multihit on S3

Whats are the devs doing

[coarse sorrel]

who knew an anti cc niche character cant kill bruisers

[velvet tapir]

it’s cool that a premium unit can only be used in one situation and it’s not even the meta rn

[coarse sorrel]

i mean the unit is a force ban if players over commit cc

[hollow arrow]

pretty good in pryd, at least not t3

[upbeat cedar]

bro stop

[coarse sorrel]

shes in t1 because shes busted at what she needs to do

just check people who over commit 2-3 cc units

people who expected her to be the next coming of jesus for PvE are just shouting they got scammed

[vapid timber]

Im using her for pve

Problem?

[coarse sorrel]

if youre not complaining about why shes worse than diting for pve i dont care

[vapid timber]

My dting is 111

I dont use men sorry

Beside holden

[marble coral]

T3 is sybil in pvp?

[marble coral]

Yo how is light e7 doing

[sinful hare]

How to build for healer build

[coarse sorrel]

Idk light personally LOL also skipping this e7 rta season

[marble coral]

Yeah I saw

But he doing like gear stuff still

For those who pay him

[queen compass]

Yeah, situational

[frosty pulsar]

mine is scuffed right now could be a lot better

[sinful hare]

At last an ass healer

I Spent 8 lattice and 80 summons for a shitty unit lmao

[queen compass]

I like dat

[coarse sorrel]

Most of the bigger cc have this service for the lazy people

[worthy hawk]

ping jack as well

[coarse sorrel]

Welcome to gacha pvp game

[marble coral]

Yeah but I really felt bad man when elve lost to face pump it felt like funny

Even elve laughed

He still can't digest he lost to face pump

[queen compass]

Imagine chasing a niche character, when there's just better options

I'd just go for perma banner

Actually I got her from perma

[marble coral]

U know shaymin how much I struggled to find u

In ur gen

Fck u

[lusty otter]

Let's ride shaymin

[queen compass]

Sneaky

[frosty pulsar]

me too she does decent dmg and heals? win win

[lusty otter]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-ride-gif-17999608

[scarlet onyx]

Free sr unit is better on Prydwen (gsania)

[vapid timber]

Idk why im doing this

[flat obsidian]

@spiral pond

[frosty pulsar]

nice

another healer liliam

[queen compass]

I'll probably do that build

I don't see myself using her in pvp without lettice

[frosty pulsar]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1400494191829586041

[queen compass]

So there's now a dark healer in the family

[worthy hawk]

dude 😭

[frosty pulsar]

share builds here

[flat obsidian]

bro you said it 😄

[worthy hawk]

lmao true

ppl started to ping jack for whatever reason now

he better do a reset event

[coarse sorrel]

i mean there are no other dps units that 100% check a player that overdrafts 3 cc units and insta deletes them alone lol it is what it is, pull if you need to flesh out your lineup otherwise send it on standard if youre missing a lot of more core units

[coarse sorrel]

on the day of i heard rumors he was listening to a stream of lunale or something about what they thought he should pick and he picked it

cant confirm or deny but it is what it is

[vast rain]

[wind void]

so what's the deal with Liliam now that she's been out a day? Still bad or are we finding good uses for her?

[scarlet onyx]

Good heal atm

[soft quarry]

Is the best dark healer in the game, the massive damage is in our hearts 💕

[wind void]

Are you trolling or is she actually a good healer? lol

[lone jewel]

they said good at pvp right? being 5th ssr ranking starting from the bottom of pvp tier list doesnt seems good at

[leaden marten]

prywden is brain dead there is also that

[wind void]

I don't trust prydwen for anything

[soft quarry]

Liliam is sucks bro, don't try to pull her, I regret to do that

[wind void]

I already pulled her

hopefully big brain people will find a good use for her

[mortal jacinth]

They did already

[soft quarry]

A guy used her as a healer whit fortísimo in pve xd

But I expected her as massive damage xd, I ruined my account whit 12 lattice lost in Liliam :c

[wind void]

as a healer? Or single target nuke against CC comps?

[mortal jacinth]

The second one

[wind void]

honestly that's a pretty good niche

[coarse sorrel]

tldr: not any better than the f2p/tailored dps for pve, god tier against comps in pvp where opp drafts 2-3 cc (kaz, obol etc..) and they have to ban it and give you the rest of your draft or die to this unit

[wind void]

I guess as an anti-CC unit you would want her to be semi-fast, right? Not like 150 speed. Not sure how her damage is if you try to build her 300 speed as opposed to just going full damage

does she one shot units like obol if you build her fast?

[lime escarp]

She does it without being particularly fast

[mortal jacinth]

Bread showed one off at like low 200s on law of silence

[coarse sorrel]

if youre going a swiftraid set, youll end up at 180-220 depending on your subs and your damage is more than enough to kill full right side eff cc units tbh

i posted this yesterday because i couldnt actually get this unit in an rta draft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG-fk41wl1Y&feature=youtu.be

[wind void]

45k to the diting on S3

[wind void]

that's good

[coarse sorrel]

im 5/4/4

[coarse sorrel]

yah like assuming a normal diting (no random def subs) she does 45k to 1200-1300 def?

[wind void]

what are people complaining about? She can't be controlled and can do 45k on S3 to a DPS?

[coarse sorrel]

thats fine to kill any cc units

[coarse sorrel]

theyre complaining about pve and not being able to nuke/leave impact on t2 bruisers etc that either sania off the injury or revive with amber

[wind void]

why bulwark? Just so she doesn't get DEF broken or something?

[coarse sorrel]

but in reality, like all gacha games, niche units answer specific drafts

[coarse sorrel]

if you play into kaz you can still get atk down

[wind void]

Oh that's fair

[coarse sorrel]

atk down is worse than losing like fury set

[wind void]

she's "control" effects only

Thanks for sharing. I'm for sure building her now

[coarse sorrel]

dont get me wrong she still can get stripped and atk down by like viper but at teh end of the day this isnt a unit you pick really early into rta unless its justified

theres probably aggro drafts that people can cook with this too

[hazy cosmos]

600%+33% and a stun.....

[deft swallow]

Mind showing whatever build it takes for her to hit 45k on diting? If it’s a 0 speed unga bunga damage build, you wouldn’t even be able to draft that against a 3 CC comp because whatever that 4 th unit is is gonna mess you up

If her damage is only so much (single target btw) with a self atk buff, I really don’t see why people WOULDNT be complaining

[twin flame]

The problem with Liliam is that her multipliers on paper are really good but she hit like a wet noodle. Her S3 should do roughly the same damage as hoyan S3 and she also self buff but she tickles the enemy. It doesn't make sense, good multipliers, very good base attack, self buff but she does no damage, if it's not bugged I don't really understand

[cunning obsidian]

atm her only role is to snipe squishes in cc comps or carries like yeli , u run her like hoyan

@twin flameher s3 does good dmg on people without bb tho

its just that her s3 sux vs anything with bb or high def cause she has 0 penetration or hp% dmg scaling

and she feels bad cause atm u got tank meta in arena

[twin flame]

But everyone is using bb in high PvP so she feels completely useless

[cunning obsidian]

not cc comps

feel like we where all baited by the injury on her s3 and tought she will be a tank buster

i played her in like 50-60 rta games in the past 2 days

and when u draft her into cc she is rly good , solos the match kinda

but vs a standard sania tankdown team she just sux

[twin flame]

Bruh she isn't worth the effort, you can just use tanks and do more damage with your S1 than with her S3 and nuke her

[cunning obsidian]

tanks can be cced she cant

as i said her role atm is to counter cc heavy teams

thats about it

[twin flame]

She is still too squishy, she doesn't have a role. The weakest LD SSR without a doubt and garbage in pve

[cunning obsidian]

just told u her role and she does well in it

if u pick her into tiamath + holden then yeah

good luck

[twin flame]

She does sub optimally in her best role which is already very niche

[cunning obsidian]

its not tho , in diamond + rta she is a very solid flex pick

[twin flame]

Stop defending the devs, they made a dog shit unit and everyone knows it

[cunning obsidian]

but people got baited by the content creators

saying she will be the highestt dmg dealer ever

even tho her kit has 0 penetration or hp % dmg scaling

[twin flame]

Sybil an R unit does more damage

There are no excuses

[cunning obsidian]

its ok my guy i tought she would be better aswell

but it is what it is , she has her niche

current meta just dosent suit her , its more of bloodbath being way to op issue then her as a unit

[river jolt]

ER dropped to 2M from 7M in July

Basically what I expected lmao

[twin flame]

Well they fucked up, it was expected

[velvet tapir]

that moment when same tier as Viktor on PVP where she specializes at

[twin flame]

Maybe they should actually try to make good balance changes in PvP instead of completely nuking one playstile and buffing another

[twin flame]

And she is literally useless in pve, Liliam is a joke

[velvet tapir]

it's ok she's at least same tier as Lian in PvE, a free SSR

[twin flame]

I am just glad I got 2 copies of her in my first 10x so I can save for the next LD, hoping she is not gonna be shit

[river jolt]

It's proof it's not a "loud minority" complaining about the game

[twin flame]

Liam is probably better than her in pve and PvP, at least she actually does some damage

[deft swallow]

It feels extra bad because she doesnt even counter all CC units. Green Kazu atk down is enough to disable her even though she self buff atk. You'd expect her self buff to cancel out the atk down, but somehow her damage with atk buff is similar to hoyan wih nothing...

[soft quarry]

This game is gone to die, Dev's doesn't care about us and release a shitty character like Liliam

[deft swallow]

Its nothing that one balance patch cant fix, and I'd say some games intentionally make units bad on release. I still have hopes for this unit anyhow

[river jolt]

Lmao, imagine state of game in 2 months cause that's when balance batches drop

[deft swallow]

ya, the question is always, will we get there and not when

[hollow arrow]

when you plan to use liliam and sees enemy viper...

[deft swallow]

ya, really makes me wonder why someone like yeli gets FULL CLEANSE on s3

[midnight fulcrum]

The game is already down in revenue I think. Honeymoon phase is over, so they need to step up. Most people probably quit because of the RNG in farming, and the fact that the new LD is worse than Diting in 90% of game modes isn't getting anyone excited

[wind void]

I honestly don't care that she's worse than diting in PVE stuff

[midnight fulcrum]

They can tout this as a PVP game all they want, but to even be competitive, you NEED to clear inferno stages

[dire jackal]

Tbh no inferno aside rengo is hard every other is fine as is

And no contrary to all the lily drama u dont need her for any of the infernos

[wind void]

we don't need another "better diting" in PVE. They literally just gave us Yeli

[midnight fulcrum]

I agree. But you also have to make people excited about new units. I'm a level 100 and have cleared everything, and don't care much for PVP. I was looking forward to the new unit, and I just got very disappointed

[dire jackal]

Ppl just want a new unit to power creep everyone in everything

[midnight fulcrum]

I was expecting a more "usable" unit.

[dire jackal]

We rly dont need any pve unit moving forward

Its a pvp game

Pve is cheap as is rn

[wind void]

To be fair though, if you're already clearing all content with no issues and you don't do PVP/Arena stuff, there's not really any benefit to new PVE units for you

[dire jackal]

Just nerf rengo since that fight is bs

[stiff mango]

Rengo is endgame you arent supposed to be clearing him consistently 2 months into the gams IT isn't a sprint

[dire jackal]

Farming content is NOT a endgame activity. Ember trek/ethernet ARE end game pve activity.

[twin flame]

I have a theory, the damage that Liliam does with her S3 is just one hit of the multiple she should've done. They used revelation in her trailer so I think that her S3 was supposed to be a multi hit but they change it at the last second after rev nerf and it's somehow bugged

[wind void]

Don't worry this is just mile 1 of the marathon

[dire jackal]

Fact that hard ember trek rengo is a looney toons char in comparison to inferno farming content dark souls boss we have is funny enough.

[leaden marten]

Rengo can be Bloodborne boss

Orphan of kos more like orphan of rengo

[dire jackal]

Rengo can be whatever he wants he swaps elements like some ppl swap their pronouns literal nonsense of a boss

Casino simulator

[stiff mango]

He is last lvl of a boss

He will entertain in 1 year of a time

And you want to speedrun him

2 month of game

[royal edge]

i miss those peeps bruh

i wonder if they are still running their marathon

[dire jackal]

Sure leave him as is make every 5th shell drop be inferno shell np ill do 3-5m runs

[royal edge]

i rmb the OGs

[stiff mango]

I manually Play him and have 100% winrate its fun endgame
I always do bossrhshes in games

If you dont like doing endgame you dont have to

@dire jackal

[brave wraith]

Wait this is actually crazy, are any of the other LDs that useless?

[static mortar]

nope

ngl

[fickle geode]

nice bait

[static mortar]

everything is lowkey

kinda forgivable

if she was just fully immune to debuffs

[fickle geode]

yeli with battlewill

[static mortar]

the fact that u can still just spam regular debuffs on her

is kinda cringe

[fickle geode]

liliam with reve preview

[dire jackal]

Dont trust dogwyn too much, every game they covered had nonsense tier lists

[royal edge]

dont forget the passive wasnt even activated

[fickle geode]

[flat obsidian]

yep.. thats the biggest thing here.. RNG is RNG bro.. everyone knows it .. but new LD is T2.. dafuq is that

for real .. i wait for an announcement..

[vast rain]

But you can build eff res on your healers or bring a dokidoki

[shy furnace]

I pulled her thinking exactly this lmao. Now i am too deep with her and just build her anyways. Thought I have it figured out using her against tiamat comps on etherena def xD

Now I am on my way to build bruiser comps still to combat bruiser defs

Minus 10 lattice

[queen compass]

What about fast liliam

White fang + spd + swift

[scarlet onyx]

Can't kill even a squishy dps

[coarse sorrel]

i mean just ask yourself what you need to build and if it makes sense to achieve that goal

[scarlet onyx]

Any R is better with this gear

[queen compass]

She doesn't really fulfill any current need

[queen compass]

For real? Damn

[queen compass]

I though she could at least snipe down the dps or cc with a build like that

[scarlet onyx]

Me too xD she is even max dupe ...

[lime escarp]

Invaluable = has no value

[coarse sorrel]

I mean tbh you have a 27% chance to not do anything, you've traded speed instead of a dps 12 set that gives you both dps stats and a dps passive to boot and you traded an 8 set passive like fury for just keeneye dmg

You're so fast it doesn't even matter that she ignores cc because you're outspeeding them anyway lol

[scarlet onyx]

No, lot of mio or lily outspeed me and she is OS by a S1 lingluo

[wild coyote]

You mean you hit less than 20k against non-bb with those stats?

[scarlet onyx]

Often with Crit yes

More 15k to 17k

[coarse sorrel]

I mean I'm sorry but a lot of these issues are like draft problem on top of build problem

[cunning obsidian]

@shy furnace im using her on hoyan build ATM and she work well , i only Pick her into cc or very squishy tho

[midnight fulcrum]

They need to implement some kind of system that allows you to test a unit. Other games have this, where you have a "trial" unit. The discrepancy between what is on paper and what is actual performance can be misleading

[coarse sorrel]

You eat your own dishes but don't force em onto other people's plates and call em shit

[coarse sorrel]

Too bad games like hoyo I guess you can say, have the worst builds ever on them and you can't change em

[cunning obsidian]

People try to draft her into tanks and it just wont work , bb reduces her dmg way to hard , and she has no inbuilt def pen

If u want to make her work Pick into cc and thats about ir

[leaden marten]

she isnt meant to be a bruiser counter

that hp lock is really weird

[scarlet onyx]

I have try this, still too squishy vs cleave/CC and to low damage vs stall

[leaden marten]

like it doesnt function with rest of her kit

[cunning obsidian]

@scarlet onyx u need law if u run bb

[coarse sorrel]

It's like random sprinkles on top

[cunning obsidian]

That HP lock kinda baited me aswell ngl

[scarlet onyx]

Yeli dont care about law

Massiah too

[cunning obsidian]

U wont get onehited trhough bb + law

[wild coyote]

People would think she is a better unit if there was no HP lock. The problem here is people expected her to shred tanks

[coarse sorrel]

You don't bring it into comps where you are getting outspeed by 2 possible pushes into an AOE DPS?

[cunning obsidian]

People Pick her into sania tiamath Holden and wonder why she sux

[coarse sorrel]

Like 99% of the complainers might as well complain about borgne being shit in pve

[scarlet onyx]

With Any dokidoki - tsukiyo mi or mio yes

[coarse sorrel]

[cunning obsidian]

To me personaly she is a very solid rta unit

But unplayable into bruisers

[coarse sorrel]

She's a great niche rta unit

But people want her to do everything like all units for whatever reason

[scarlet onyx]

Niche RTA unit like any random sr, worth the price for SSR D&L

[cunning obsidian]

Biggest issue ATM is bloodbath Being so strong , any dps that Will come out if he isnt 3+ multi hit with high multi to use rev or has in built pen Will suck

@scarlet onyx i mean u chose to Pull her

[wild coyote]

An important distinction here is: can she one shot squishies while on a bb build?
Nyaluni is claiming that you cant, from what I understand. If she truly cant, I can agree that that's a problem. But overall, other sources lead me to believe that she can

[cunning obsidian]

There wasnt any hiden nerfs , u just didnt read her kit

[scarlet onyx]

Because i see that : she deal massive damage to single target

[cunning obsidian]

@wild coyote u can onehit squishys on bb build

[soft quarry]

The showcase say another things, massive damage

[leaden marten]

thats your argument ?

[coarse sorrel]

Just watch volkin+bread video, BB law build is fine to kill squishies

[coarse sorrel]

Ah yes my b she should be doing 99k, noted

[cunning obsidian]

Her s3 is a 1 hit ST with high multi but it has no form of penetration or hp% dmg , bloodbath massievly lowers her dmg cause of ir

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah vs unstuff animus she can OS

[cunning obsidian]

@scarlet onyx bro she Will never kill any bruisers no matter what u build

[coarse sorrel]

I mean no matter how much you complain your build is bad

[cunning obsidian]

Either use her to counter cc or dont at all

[leaden marten]

lilliam is bad into bruisers but good vs everything else

meta is just questionable atm

so she can struggle

[coarse sorrel]

XD will see that she's succeeding in what they designed her for

[leaden marten]

but she is a very strong rta unit

[wild coyote]

This is a great point lmao. People feel betrayed, but if they're disappointed in her they can only blame themselves and their failed judgement

[leaden marten]

lilliam bugged agenda was funny too

they made up a non existent bug to get a reset event

[wild coyote]

Overall, even if she was a bad unit, having the new LD SSR being bad is like a pretty healthy thing lol. People complain that companies release op p2w units, this would be the very opposite

[scarlet onyx]

If she can 100 % kill any low life animus i will be happy. I don't ask for OS tiamat BB

[cunning obsidian]

This Will be another Dokidoki in a month or 2 , People Said Doki doki worst LD at day 1 ....

[soft quarry]

XD very strong PvP unit

[leaden marten]

thats prywden

[vague crest]

she is strong in rta ...

[coarse sorrel]

Who was saying that 😂

[leaden marten]

if you are braindead enough to care about what prywden has to say

thats your problem

[cunning obsidian]

U realize if meta shifts from bruisers she Will be tier 0 ?

[scarlet onyx]

Dokidoki is write as a invested unit as the start ! And she can shine with invest. Now we can full invest instant and we see shit that's all

[vague crest]

she alrdy is cancer if you play bruiser and pick her

[coarse sorrel]

All I have to say for the people complain and whaled for her and say that this unit sucks is: ty for spending the money and keeping the game F2P for me

[wild coyote]

All respect to prydwen, but bugfix is like top 5 in RTA lmao, if he says it its true

[cunning obsidian]

She is a niche unit for endgame pvp

[coarse sorrel]

You cant talk sense into these first pvp gacha players

[cunning obsidian]

Prydwen has 1 thing common about their tierlist in every game on that site , its trash

[scarlet onyx]

And whale like me never invest 1 ct more and hope the game EoS

[leaden marten]

show me 1 good rta player who thinks she is bad in rta

you cant

[cunning obsidian]

@scarlet onyx u are a whale but u draft Like ur a potato

[leaden marten]

cause people who have good game understanding would realize she is good

[scarlet onyx]

U never see my draft but nvm

[coarse sorrel]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CASUALS

[wild coyote]

I think all the top 5 RTA players say she is good, I don't know why we even have discussions about this lmao

[coarse sorrel]

[cunning obsidian]

If u get her in protected slot vs cc team u won basicly

[soft quarry]

True, the casuals like me I don't care the RTA

[coarse sorrel]

You try to tell someone how to use her best and they just downplay it even more

[leaden marten]

then dont pull lilliam

[cunning obsidian]

Most People cry cause they somehow tought she is the premium diting

[scarlet onyx]

CC team with no dps, no stall, no rev, no cleave ? Yes she can shine in this case 🙂

[cunning obsidian]

Idk even why

[soft quarry]

2 days later

[leaden marten]

well rip

[cunning obsidian]

@scarlet onyx mate if u dont know how to use her ..... Dont Pick her

Preety simple

[leaden marten]

but only you are to blame

for rushing to pull her

[scarlet onyx]

Who knows ?

[storm knot]

Patch Note: Since we as developers love to hear our community, we made some changes about Liliam situation because we know you are saying that Diting is a stronger unit being a SR rarity character.

We are going to nerf Diting so Liliam can be stronger...

[leaden marten]

wdym who knows did somebody put a gun into your head into pulling lilliam

like whats going on here

[scarlet onyx]

Any whale happy with her now ?

[cunning obsidian]

U saw her multiplier , but u all ignored she has no form of def pen Like Masiah , or self setup Like yelli

[soft quarry]

I see the showcase and because of that I pull, and I see is not that I expected I came here :c

[cunning obsidian]

And her dmg sux cause bloodbath halfs it

It isnt rocket science

[soft quarry]

And I lost 12 lattice on it T.T

[cunning obsidian]

What did u expect she gonna onehit a 4k def Holden with 0 def pen?

[scarlet onyx]

Now we know : trailer with massive damage = tickle

[storm knot]

ATK+ before the damage isn't any form of self setup?

[placid ingot]

What you need is a financial adviser, not a Liliam buff

[leaden marten]

lmfao