You literally kill a playstyle and try to get away with no reset event? Reset event or Riot!

[jade garden]

[sacred raven]

[faint crescent]

That's the longest sentence I've read today

Second longest

[split flint]

Bro etherena average takes a hour now

Every defense is bruiser

I literally go to the point where I receive 0 healing

It goes that long

[austere holly]

See, buiser not dealing enough damage, I think we should buff bloodbath 🙂

[sonic kite]

Agree, holden counter attacking 100% of the time, with 10k damage each counter. Why don't we give him an extra 30% damage? Poor bruisers.

[split flint]

True

[golden bridge]

my holden cant 1 shot yeli without jackal guard proc

[split flint]

We should make S1 holden hit like a yeli ult

[golden bridge]

need to buff him

so he can 1 shot without jackal

👍

[cursive smelt]

do not give them ideas

[split flint]

This is all for countering lilliam

She is too op

[cursive smelt]

[cinder matrix]

Ive been sayign they need to make S2 aoe

[golden bridge]

dude

wathcoum is higher than you on ladder

and has like 30% wr

[cinder matrix]

ITS BECAUSE I KEPT PLAYING WHEN IT WAS LIKE +4 or -70

[golden bridge]

yeah lol

[cinder matrix]

NO HE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A 33% WINRATE

bro im at 76%

mods please unbrick my mmr

[golden bridge]

oh wow

he improved it

[cinder matrix]

wait

oh my god

💀

[golden bridge]

last time i checked it was like 15%

[cinder matrix]

who did my man buffet dirty

why does he have a 48% winrate

pretty sure i have the most games of RTA rn

played all morning and went nowhere because of that stupid RTA bug

[golden bridge]

im still chilling with 5 games

[amber chasm]

The bugs will soon balance itself out

[golden bridge]

kinda wild that

nobody else hit masters yet

after the bugfix

[dull cliff]

Im almost there with u

I also lost infinite this morning

Almost shadowrealmed feom diamond to gold 💀

[golden bridge]

they over nerfed rev mean

big rip

[sonic kite]

i stopped playing, kinda tired of getting BB bruisers every match

will resume once those guys are on master/mythic XD

[austere holly]

nah it needs to be nurfed more. Games must last minumum 1 hour each

I recommend to change the etharena field to be buffed to 99% instead of that tiny 30%

[strange edge]

BRING BACK REV

[lavish sage]

give this man exclusive resets

[golden bridge]

he will be back to top 5 after next 2x

just needs to swap his playstyle after the 2x

[austere holly]

is he gonna farm aurora?

[golden bridge]

can he farm aurora is the question you should be asking

[austere holly]

You know what would be funny

if they nurf whatever he is gonna build next in the next patch

[sacred raven]

bold of you to assume we'll all still be here by next patch

[lavish sage]

i srsly might quit which is funny bc i made fun of the ppl who complain daily for weeks now XD

tbh i always said i quit before them

[sacred raven]

another white knight down

[jade garden]

[golden bridge]

lets all quit and make our own etheria

[austere holly]

Dw. Sembu will still be here

[lavish sage]

that patch killd my hype for the game

rta seasons to long to wait for changes

[buoyant ember]

https://tenor.com/view/zhuyuan-chibi-gif-10122847871454383897

Weak Constitution

[dull cliff]

[golden bridge]

big rip

[buoyant ember]

[lavish sage]

damn

you lost the saltyrunbacks aswell XD

[dull cliff]

At least I have good queue times now

On my training arc

[golden bridge]

thats the posivity im looking for

on this discord

[dull cliff]

See u at the top soon

[golden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbullah-gif-22844686

[lime quiver]

Keep upvote this post we need the reset event so bad

[lavish sage]

You wont get it ever again

only if they direct nerf a unit which will never happen

Just hope you didnt do i like me and "experimented" new units bc hey we get reset at the end of RTA season T_T

[upper oxide]

I personally maxed out oboro good times

[lavish sage]

lol almost like me i did max Tsutomo

R.I.P

[gusty oak]

Baguette

[harsh pewter]

Croissant

[gusty oak]

[harsh pewter]

[storm sigil]

hi five

[storm sigil]

hows tsutomu now tho have u tested

[lavish sage]

dmg was to low didnt use him after the "buff"

build him for tiamat counter but in practice it sucks

[pallid smelt]

I don't mind tanks vs tanks but when they get healed it's such a slog

[novel oracle]

[tawdry jacinth]

Its okay, powercreep is bad for the game long term

Youre just greedy and stupid for not realizing the devs commitment to non power creep and didnt invest in the right units

[zenith quail]

I mean did you read her kit before you pulled her?
She counters cc, which means like a Hoyan with bulwark she will pretty much solo win vs a control spammer.
Unlike Hoyan they can't even strip as counter play.

Vs brusiers and a longer game you obviously would have to build her for a longer match, so probably bloodbath at least and with a healer. Will that be enough to counter brusiers? Maybe not but it's something that needs testing.

[tiny tiger]

The thing about her is we tested her in vc all day with fully lattice and 5 dupes. She does to little dmg on bb bramble to kill massiah and is still to squishy dies to almost a holden s1. Yes she cant be cct but she dies of the raw cycle dmg if u dont use her s1 to heal. Yes she cant get pushed back but the rest of the team can. If you build her as a nuke and push her with beyo or tsuk.. she can kill a squishy, but no holden or rahu even with def break on them. We tried her as a cleanup and finish people with s2 but no dmg to kill a like 5% hp tiamat on that skill. Her stun dosent go through bulwark incase you wondering, so after the execute turn 2 will still be mostly safe. Only way she was abit ok i guess building her high spd vs turn 1 and then just try to kill a dps with whitefang which is also really close. She needs adjustments either make her being able to be a bruiser with ok output and not squishy or a nuke

[dull prairie]

Yeah I read her kit and it says she deals 500% DMG plus 50% Extra to Targets with HP over 60% but the resulting damage makes no sense my Aoe damage deals with lower damage numbers deal more damage than she does a single target damage deal and not just a little more and they have not lattice while she has max with same gear or worse.

[trim heath]

defenitely reset liliam if reset event comes

[austere holly]

Tbh that mostly says bruisers are over tuned than Lilliam is bad

[tiny tiger]

I mean they are, but lilliam feels so off, she barerly can kill massiah if shes on spd

Might as well use hoyen then on speed would do her job better

Besides the s2 cant kill any squishy

Just s3 and that barerly

[dull prairie]

Yeah there is now way anyone can convince me she ain’t bugged as someone that owns her max skilled personally testing doesn’t lie

[tiny tiger]

Yep i also have her max dupe and barerly a difference

And we had some fun watching tam using his in vc stream rta xd

[hallow mauve]

i can see @crisp loom is super happy about all changes

[crisp loom]

sup

[hallow mauve]

[crisp loom]

I mean a lot of the regular stuff were fine

balance patch was just weird

[shy basin]

[dull prairie]

Yeah at this point as someone that used all my lattice on her and had to use max 80 pulls on L/D banner to get her basically using up weeks of savings if they don’t fix her damage I am quitting no compromise for me.

[crisp loom]

I love that they buffed underused units like helkid, holden is now a complete menace tho

[austere holly]

Just nurf bloodbath by 30% same as revelation

Ez

[red oak]

Liliam video WEN

Curious what bread's take will be now that he can test her for real

[tepid narwhal]

Up

[worn seal]

https://www.twitch.tv/adeptmain/clip/GoldenFlirtyMilkNinjaGrumpy-GQCAYy1cKQr1VBLz

[wary pewter]

👍

[cinder matrix]

shes similar to lilith, hoyan but for CC they just added the last counter pick for the archetypes

[faint crescent]

What's unhealthy about that

[thorn heron]

yeah, idk. that's what liliam is there to do. if the guy picked doki2, it'd be the same story. you gotta play around what you know is coming.

[worn seal]

[vapid nacelle]

Not rly unhealthy just poor draft, p much a unit that punishes bad drafts heavily. But so are lilith, hoyan and few other units

[red oak]

Yeah, I totally see her as the hoyan equivalent. But I'm surprised to hear of Lilith - what does she counter? Genuine question, I'm not good at this game lmao

[red oak]

I was actually watching your stream after the trueevil raid. I knew I had seen the name somewhere lmao, now it makes sense

[cinder matrix]

bruisers if they do not have the right counters

[red oak]

Hmmmm, didnt know of that at all, ty for clarifying

[worn seal]

This has nothing to do with a bad draft. Ofc tiamat gets cooked by rahu mizuki in that example but the thing is, because liliam shut downs CC so hard you are forced to bann her otherwise CC is literally unplayable. Ling and doki are always taken which both counter CC. In the last season you had the chance to punish a bruiser force by drafting CC. You go first get doki. Enemy gets ling holden. Now you can technically get obol/mio on 2 and kaz on 3, or if you need the strip for sure get obol on 3. Now you had 2 CC units which was easily countered by taking the third away and banning the CC unit on slot 2. So enemy decided to get for example sania on 3 and takes the third CC unit away on 4. This is a healthy draft not letting the opponent getting all the CC units and still establish a decent beatable bruiser comb. But now with liliam in the game its literally not playable to draft CC.
Same example, you get doki, enemy gets ling holden and you decide to draft CC by going mio and kaz on 3. However NOW what bruiser players do is, they dont give a shit, take tiamat/rahu/mizuki on 3, sania/fuqiu on 4 and i literally am not able to adjust because i have literally 2 dead units because he gets liliam on 5. So i am literaly forced to bann Liliam on 5 and i still get cooked by ling who also hardcounters CC. Especially if you have res gear. CC with the release of liliam is simply dead and bruiser is overpowered.

[worn seal]

So funny how i beat him, holden balanced

[vapid nacelle]

Cc is not dead and again it comes to bad draft, what u are talking abt is a bit nonsensical. Since according to your logic if we get 1-2 more units with cleanse/immunity that counter cc then cc is never playable again. If that liliam was doki u end up in same scenario. Cc is still strong just cant draft without having a single worry abt whatever your opponent drafts. If anything cc was unhealthiest thing near end of season due to ling/doki being only 2 cleansers in the game meaning whoever is 1st pick they have massive advantage if they have proper units built

Not to mention obol being bugged (still is)

[worn seal]

My point is, the main counter of a bruiser team was CC and if my opponent doesnt give a shit about the draft and simply picks his same bruiser comb over and over again and lets me pick my CC units to counter him, literally not giving a damn about what i do, i should win and that was the always the case in last season.

But now, they take liliam and autowin if you draft any CC

[worn seal]

I understand what you mean that with my logic with more cleansers / immunity, CC will not be playable anymore. But you can counter that by stripping, pushback, etc. However liliam is on her own such a strong answer to CC out of nowhere what makes her insanely oppressive.

[vapid nacelle]

Same case as above in video : imagine u opened with lingluo and instead of picking tiamat who is dogwater in bruiser (since u see him go bruiser) u took lilith/holden, if he took doki+healer u have double healer holden and pivoted from there; if he picks liliam early u dont overcommit to cc. If he ban protects her she can easily end up solo dps vs a bruisers. If they 5th pick her u can ban her or just yk pick a counter and ban someone who is actually issue in the draft. Liliam is not busted she is as good as u are at draft phase imo

Same as hoyan most of community was crapping on hoyan same way they do with liliam (comparing them to diting) etc. Counter picks have to exist to have balance in the game, if there is no 5th force ban unit u can pick vs X playstyle then 2nd pick person is perma at disadvantage in a draft.

[vapid pilot]

but this means u forced the cc player to play standard

[worn seal]

I see what you mean and i understand your point, but this shows that it comes down to whoever gets the best bruisers and best healers, because CC is not possible to pick.

[worn seal]

I always play standard

I can play cleave, bruiser and cc

[vapid nacelle]

Imo u will never be able to perma spam 1 same playstyle and have success. Metas change, new units come out. Everyone should work towards having a more flexible draft rather than having only 1 playstyle. If u wanna force playing bruiser only ull just get permafarmed by ppl that built proper units etc.

[worn seal]

But if i see somebody force his bruiser comb i should be able to draft CC and win but i cant

[cinder matrix]

this is bad draft. Hoyan/Veronika/Tia all counter cleave its the same deal. CC counters bruisers this is the same deal. If you wanna play CC ban one of the 3 and take the other 2

[vapid nacelle]

Thank u

Also yeah liliam is super flexible in a sense that she works in all 3 playstyles. U can draft her with cc like kazuyo and due to stun just perma sleep rest while being able to freely dps 1 by 1

[worn seal]

Bro this is not the same. Bruisers now are unbeliveably strong and oppressive. You cant even properly cleave them anymore with rev nerf and BB being broken. So you either take away his bruisers or take away his healers in most games, because you cant draft CC into bruiser.

[cinder matrix]

Most of the top RTA cc players have figured it out i dont know what to tell you

I have the most bruisers built out of anyone and i can still get CCed

bread builds 300 res on units and still gets CCed

its just a draft diff

[vapid nacelle]

[worn seal]

Last season we had 3 very strong playstyles like cleave, CC and bruisers, but now bruisers are insanely oppressive and cant even get countered by CC with liliam around.

[cinder matrix]

they can

just ban her

pick doki

ban out the ling after draft

gg

[worn seal]

Thats the thing

You are absolutely right on that

But because my clip was so short

I said after that, that this is the case for low diamond, rather no prebann.

[cinder matrix]

yeah its a problem in low diamond because they dont know how to draft

like

[vapid nacelle]

Tbh no preban is just a system flaw overall

Playing no prebans no ban protect is random bs go

[cinder matrix]

as a content creator you should be jumping on the chance to show casuals how to draft

[worn seal]

Nah bro i am not a CC actually i just game and stream

But you cooked me good btw

[true hatch]

Oh it’s you

[worn seal]

You took away all my bruiser units and when i tried to pivot into CC you picked liliam on 5 and i lost

[worn seal]

Sup mate

[true hatch]

I straight up hit auto when I see you ngl

I expect to sit there for 20 minutes getting cc’ed

[worn seal]

Get liliam and i lose

[true hatch]

Yeah you lost today

Cuz I had Doki in ban protect

And you still drafted CC

(We don’t talk about how I got stun locked for over half the match still)

[worn seal]

Bro pick liliam with doki or ling and i lose

[true hatch]

Okay but like I don’t always remember or see who I’m drafting into

I have goldfish memory

[pliant turtle]

Let me spread agenda....she kill through bb guys

[split flint]

Needs kloss

[pliant turtle]

kloss issue

[cinder matrix]

strive bloodbath gigabyte

[swift mountain]

I think she hits really hard on def broken enemies

[sinful verge]

Damn Kloss havers

[unborn robin]

How dare you let the nabs see 0 dmg only

[pliant turtle]

[timber sparrow]

on my knees once again for a reset

[wide violet]

It is truly amazing how ppl pull and invest in a new unit without a single fucking dmg calc, video proof of how she performs, whatever the fuck, and then proceed to cry so hard if the unit is not what some hypebeast ass cc promised it to be .... While there were not even numbers released

Not even amount of hits were released

This is also a fault of the devs waiting til the last moment to do a reveal when it basically isnt even necessary anymore

Full kit reveals should be atleast 1-2 week prior to being able to pull

[unborn robin]

They would still cry if they saw the numbers

[nova gazelle]

you can just pick liliam yourself

[worn seal]

She has 0 synergy with CC units and sucks ass into bruisers, like lliterally 0 value

[nova gazelle]

0 synergy with cc unit ? she has guaranteed Stun dude..

[worn seal]

[split flint]

[next minnow]

Mostly because seeing the numbers is meaningless when they can't read

[karmic ridge]

Sucks ass into bruisers is crazy

Just cuz yours is ass doesn’t mean mine is vro 💔

[astral egret]

No, not guaranteed

[cinder matrix]

She has insane synergy into cc what

[wind maple]

couldt she be part of cc comp with her s2?

[cinder matrix]

Single target dps. Kazuyo aoe sleep you nuke the prio target. Can S2 aoe stun or S2 a target that didn't get sleep or stunned by Kaz obol

[vapid nacelle]

Careful u gonna get charged for frying brains of ppl that are shouting liliam is bugged and bad

[gilded sinew]

just let them complain

[vapid nacelle]

True maybe we get reset event

[wind maple]

yes i need reset event so i can get back my 3 lattice in rat

[vapid nacelle]

If anyone can make devs do a reset event then its crybabies for new LD

[gilded sinew]

yah the actual players who are using liliam get a free reset and a poggers unit

[vapid nacelle]

True let me reset ril and xiada for lattices

[split flint]

This right

[bitter pivot]

FEVER DREAM

[cinder matrix]

https://youtu.be/nP-0DK-2uJc?si=WREJgm_463-XZNG7

Me and bread on the same wavelength

Mid to high A tier

[gilded sinew]

as should everyone else

[spare shoal]

Ya she is like mid to a tier

[split flint]

Then why prydwen is saying she S tier

[cinder matrix]

because prydwren isnt the end all be all of anything relevant

[split flint]

Yeah but there are some prydwen lovers here

Who will get offended if prydwen is wrong

[gilded sinew]

i cant tell if you actually dont think shes good or youre just meme-ing

[split flint]

I am always for sarcasm

[pale frigate]

but they're not, though. Tier 1 is roughly comparable to an A tier placement

[golden bridge]

i put her mid A too

🤝

ignore RC he is C tier

not sure what he is doing in B

[warm light]

Bruh she goes straight to the bin

Some R units do more damage

[austere holly]

thought prydwen had her at t1?

and t2 everywhere else

yeah she is t1, tf u talking about they put her in S

[split flint]

Isn't t1 s?

[worn seal]

What do you mean INSANE synergy with CC ? Dokidoki is an example of an insanely synergistic unit especially with CC. You can literally open with doki all day and its never bad, but you cant with liliam. Liliams main selling point, is her countering CC and having the ability to snipe DPS units. Only because she can stun with s2, when the target meats a requirement, it has nothing to do with being synergistic with CC. Also which enemy lets you draft 2 CC units and liliam, while not taking any countering measures.

[split flint]

When are u getting a new hair cut

U can look more cool

[worn seal]

I did get one a week ago xd

[split flint]

Damn

Didn't notice

[worn seal]

yeah very short, doesnt change the look so much

[faint crescent]

"into" usually means "against"

[cinder matrix]

The requirement for S2 stun is 70% hp or lower. She can get there with just an S2 on most squishy units or any unit if you run a rev kaz

[wintry cobalt]

They should add a once a month reset

[worn seal]

Yeah this sounds all good in theory and on paper and i can see that it could actually work sometimes, but this sounds all way to convenient. Like what about lighthouse ling with bulwark cutting after s3 kaz opener ? What about kaz not hitting a sleep against a res healer, because she has no ACC. Like there are so many factores that change the outcome. But this is no synergy. Like i said doki is a good example for real synergy because she literally doesnt give a damn about any factores and is synergistic either way.

[cinder matrix]

The synergy is that you have a consistent single target threat that also can provide full team CC

So you dont wake people up from kazuyo sleep

They didnt have a unit that could do that before

its also... an insane tool to take away from people that want to counter CC

[austere holly]

so youre saying half the dps roster are s tier?

[worn seal]

I see what you mean with the full team CC and i myself pulled that off once. But at that point it was literally overkill and i was already winning. Like being able to CC aoe with her s2 is so rare and requires so many different factores to align and is not that easy to pull off, but if you actually get to the point where all of these things align, you were already winning. It feels like not shes winning the game, but its simply a "win more" kind of thing. Atleast that was the case for me.

[golden bridge]

on theory it sounsd good but

in practice cc is dead

[cinder matrix]

CC is def not dead

You cant claim to say CC is dead when you were saying bread's 300% res ling was getting CCed by your obol like 2 days ago

[golden bridge]

i mean ban obol and there is nothing cc can do

[split flint]

In my mind I thought T0 is SSS T0.5 is SS and T1 is S

[golden bridge]

its 1 pick

not to mention he didnt have lilliam last season

[cinder matrix]

just ban ling

[golden bridge]

ive tried playing cc vs my guildmates yesterday and today

its not playable if the opponent plays like a human being

[austere holly]

even if you think that that would literally match bugfix's tier list

[worn seal]

Ill be honest, building res was already a pretty good counter, because you always go over a fine lign playing that strat and one unlucky resist could cost you the game, but now with her being around its not possible for me to que 1 CC unit without the enemy catching my strat and insta locking her xD

[austere holly]

2 from the top

[split flint]

Ye but my bad I just overhyped jack units too much I guess there was no SSS

[golden bridge]

thing is last season if you built res

[split flint]

Yeah

[golden bridge]

you could reliably kill bruisers on eff res

[split flint]

Ur right

[golden bridge]

but now damage is just not there

[split flint]

Now let's go run the marathon together

[austere holly]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-cap-dancing-umamusume-chibi-gif-10169214246627292150

[split flint]

holding hands intensfies

[austere holly]

https://tenor.com/view/maruzensky-gif-21261473

[worn seal]

Her release shifted the meta so much more into the bruiser meta. Especially with them nerfing rev and buffing bruisers. Like who in their right mind thought holden needed a buff.

[split flint]

The damage will arrive in 1 business days tq for playing etheria

[worn seal]

Same, it feels impossible to establish a good CC chain, to actually lock down the opponent. Especially because bruiser players can easily afford the random liliam pick the moment they see a CC unit.

[golden bridge]

i would argue that i have the best cc setup in the game right now or maybe slightly behind kekkers

and i cant cc for shit in sim battles vs my teammates

[worn seal]

Atleast somebody understands my struggle.

[split flint]

Would u ever give interview to a cc if they approach u in dms

[golden bridge]

to you anytime

wink wink

[split flint]

I fell right there u got me

[worn seal]

I hit top 200 last season with obol being my fastest unit on 323 speed and i managed to do so, by playing a good draft and adjust. Everytime i saw a bruiser force i literally went full CC and if the enemy actually gave me the units, i would always win. Now when i see bruiser, i cant pick CC because i just lose xD

[lavish sage]

join the dark side is the only option

[worn seal]

i am already building makoto xD

[golden bridge]

even kekker is building bruisers

[worn seal]

Anybody tried celince for real btw ?

[golden bridge]

he was full cc or cleave last season

yeon is also building bruisers

[worn seal]

Forgetfulness kinda cracked against holden and stuff no ?

[lavish sage]

yeah i was a mix of cc and cleave aswell

forget that XD

[undone marsh]

I think most of the players are slowly switching to bruisers

[lavish sage]

but we had like 70-80 ppl in top 100 alrdy on bruiser

so the only logic is buff bruiser and nerf cleave dead and release a anti cc unit for bruiser so they havea shot

[worn seal]

xD

[golden bridge]

funny thing is

non humans from last season are now climbing well

some of them pre built for this season

hard losing to cc teams and beating other bruisers

0 drafting skills

but now that cc is out of the picture

they are climbing

[lavish sage]

stat check season

[worn seal]

Its crazy, ill be honest. Some of them just force their bruiser comb and dont give a damn about the draft, but win regardless

[golden bridge]

yep

its all about lattice gear and dupes now

[lavish sage]

well guess the whales eat good

i was wondering how i got top 30 without buying any lattice

[golden bridge]

they just saw the future

of xd shitting the bed and making this mess of a meta

nerfing the counter to their teams

buffing their team

and hyper invested

just built different

[worn seal]

no way we have this fiasco 2 months right

[lavish sage]

i would have hope that they fix it but we know they only balance at the end of rta so we stuck 2 month

[undone marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[lavish sage]

you know even before the patch many said yeah maybe nerf rev BUT you have to nerf BB aswell if you do

[worn seal]

Hidden tec, build veronica on bruiser and max S2 to win.

What about celince?

Shes cracked now no ?

Like forgetfulness is insane

Or other strat

[golden bridge]

she needs dispel

[worn seal]

run beyontin and play cleave units with BB

[golden bridge]

or holden sends her to shadow realm

cause holden is on bullwark bloodbath

if you pick viper and outspeed holden

[worn seal]

Just pray to god he isnt

kek

[golden bridge]

it might work

but holdens are usually

fastest bruisers

like 260-290 speed

so unlikely viper is faster than that

[worn seal]

Beyontin meta with BB cleave units ?

Maybe lian cracked now ?

[golden bridge]

how would that work

[worn seal]

bro i got so many ideas

but cant test everything

[golden bridge]

whats the idea behind bb cleave units

[worn seal]

You basically run the liliam build now on them and counter their dps lose with going BB by drafting beyontin and buff critd/atk while perma reviving and giving them turns.

[golden bridge]

i think you would die to holdens before you dps them down

[worn seal]

i mean i could see massiah, lian and mocha could be insanely nasty no?

[golden bridge]

massiah can work other 2 deal negative damage

[worn seal]

Especialy with lian doing more damage wiht buffs and her turn meter steal into s2

could apply a lot of pressure alongside massiah

[golden bridge]

full dps mocha with color advantage

would maybe deal

20% hp on viper

[worn seal]

Bro i was playing around with rat yesterday for fun, and shes actually insanely annoying to deal with ill be honest. 3 turn 100% stun and everytime u think shes dead, she presses s2 and is full hp

i will change my gear today and test a bit more, trying to force that comb.

Checkign how good it is into bruisers

[golden bridge]

i think you will be very disappointed

unless my memory is tricking me

[worn seal]

Maybe run Rev on mocha with bloodbath i dont know

[golden bridge]

i remember a max dupe mocha with atk buff

dealing 15-20% damage on viper

thats color advantage max dupe max lattice and with atk buff

she sometimes doesnt even activate lighthouse

cause she deals 0 damage

[worn seal]

ill test bro, not like i care about my raiting now

[golden bridge]

do it in sim battles

[worn seal]

i have to dm boq, homy wanted to test with me in new season

[vapid nacelle]

Does forgetfulness even work on liliam since its considered a cc in dokidoki

[warm light]

I don't think so but it doesn't matter because she does no damge

[worn seal]

Literally no idea but good point

[worn seal]

i was mainly thinking about her ass making holden useless xD

[vapid nacelle]

It doesnt disable floating passives no? Only active ones?

[warm light]

Usually passive on the S1 can't be blocked, only the ones that are a separate skill on the S2

Like green kazuyo or diting

[austere holly]

thats actually pretty crazy that there is a passive that disables the effect that disables passives

[vapid nacelle]

No like if passives activate such as messiah invul, tiamat bloodshed, viper s2 (has counter so active part of kit and s1 stacks also active part of kit)

[austere holly]

[vapid nacelle]

Then she should disable

[warm light]

There isn't

[vapid nacelle]

But if passive is like holdens where it has no active proc and is instead stat/floating effect then it shouldnt work

[warm light]

Like I said it's not like that

[vapid nacelle]

P sure ppl talked abt it a while ago that celince passive disable has weird interactions, i cant test since i never got her but someone certainly can

[golden bridge]

did you see my crashout

is funny now that im looking back

[vapid nacelle]

What i missed

[golden bridge]

#ask-staff message

#1384230665461170346 message

not to mention all dms with bread and some of my guildmates

where im just going nuclear

[vapid nacelle]

Tbh just revert holden, rahu, makoto buffs should nerf them even. Buff borg,rosa change kazuyo kit and fix obol, nerf bloodbath by 10-15% and we good

[golden bridge]

bloodbath going from 55% to 40%

would really fix most of the issue with meta

[austere holly]

no they need to do what they did to revolution

[warm light]

It really doesn't make any sense why they buffed tanks AND nerfed revelation

Holden is a literal god in the current meta

[vapid nacelle]

Well rahu shouldnt get nerfed jsut reverted him and tiamat were only balanced out bruisers makoto, holden are were ahead of ther rahu/tiamat and borg is just existing somewhere being dogwater (funny that borg got nerfed as already weakest bruiser)

[golden bridge]

im tired boss

can we go back to cleave meta

[austere holly]

are you trying to sprint? no, thisis a MARATHON

[golden bridge]

rta being gear check aint fun chief

bruiser vs bruiser is pure misery

[vapid nacelle]

Tbh im fine with dying to cleave if its cleave units but rev being a way to cleave was so dumb for the game

Just remove the 30% dmg redu effect

And u dont even have to nerf bb

[golden bridge]

yeah

[vapid nacelle]

And adjust rev from there

[golden bridge]

just go back to previous patch

and everythings good

[golden bridge]

fun fact

one of my guildmates placed top 10 last season

and i had 95% win rate against him

[sinful verge]

New doom post just dropped

[molten snow]

circ55 has been warned

Reason: Spam

[golden bridge]

now more like 60-40

[golden bridge]

jokes aside it is higher than what i expected

was expecting 1 m

[vapid nacelle]

Only pepegas think thats bad i expected 500-600k maybe

[austere holly]

cause yeli was good

[golden bridge]

ohh right

yeli was in july

feels like distant past

[sinful verge]

I expected 2M. Most games drop to 50% of first month so this is pretty bad. 1M would need them to nerf Diting' kinda bad

[sinful verge]

Ikr. Yeli carrying tbh

[golden bridge]

can you play rta btw ?

or not at all

with your investments from last season

[austere holly]

you thought it would go down to 500k in 2 months?

[vapid nacelle]

Turn based games dont earn much, etheria has no issues obtaining new units evem for f2p. Only thing whaleable are lattice and thats limited. Skins are dogwatet

There is nothing for big whales to whale on after early game

[worn seal]

Yeah the game is very f2p friendly if you belive it or not, thats a fact.

[golden bridge]

if this game had quality skins like e7

it would have made 5m again

[worn seal]

A lot of f2p have almost every unit after 6 weeks thats crazy

[sinful verge]

I haven't tried but I should be able to as long as I ban Lilliam lol.

[worn seal]

Also facts

[golden bridge]

if there was a bikini tiamat and rosa skin

[spare totem]

they need proper retextures and give us exclusive fomo stuff from events, the current recolours should be reward for hitting max star max level

[golden bridge]

for summer event

[sinful verge]

Right? Especially with Yeli banner? Some peeps crazy

[vapid nacelle]

Im. P much f2p only pass for gems and 1st bp and im missing 4

[golden bridge]

it would have made XD rich

[vapid nacelle]

Still have target banner too

[spare totem]

i want a tiamat bikini skin that says i was here this summer that can never be obtained again

from events

[golden bridge]

evil

[sinful verge]

Summer Yeli, Tiamat would have gone boom

[golden bridge]

a quality tiamat, yeli and rosa skin

[vapid nacelle]

Rosa summer skin, give her 1 thing she can shiny in

[golden bridge]

and game makes 10 million

trust

[vapid nacelle]

Since she sucks balls as unit

[austere holly]

just make skins like summoners war

[golden bridge]

i think its good that they arent spending their brain power on making skins

they clearly need to spend that on balance patches

[austere holly]

nah, just buff holden next patch

hes not ending games fast enough

[sinful verge]

She has some of the highest investment and team reqs but she's kinda crazy if you get it all. Like a Yeli that FuA 5x each time

[vapid nacelle]

Im convinced balance team has 1 collective braincell working overtime and half of its function got wasted in diamond hardstuck rta

[worn seal]

Yeah i am telling you, its insane. The most valuable thing to whale on in this game are lattices and they are literally caped. I am actually really confused on why they dont push Skins more, i would buy out every good looking skin no joke. I also got the liliam recolor because it looks dope.

[vapid nacelle]

U just pick cachi and rosa isnt a unit

[sinful verge]

They ain't spending it there either so who knows what's going on

[golden bridge]

no fucking way

anybody in XD is diamond

[worn seal]

Dragonslayer Tiamat, where she wears bad ass dragon armor and transforms into a dragon, i am telling you i drop 30 bucks instantly.

[golden bridge]

unless they have whale account

[sinful verge]

Yeah Bloom needs to pierce immunity lmao. But also, Heinrich exists

[viscid osprey]

Doomers vindicated

[vapid nacelle]

Too bad even prebuffs both of those were 1 tappable through bb

[golden bridge]

rosa was mid before rev nerfs

she is almost as bad as xiada now

[vapid nacelle]

Every bruiser prebuffs was able to hit 25k+

[sinful verge]

Basically

[vapid nacelle]

I had games where my tiamat s1 did 48k into lingluo no bb

[golden bridge]

can we talk about holden outdpsing massiah

[vapid nacelle]

And games where makoto 2 hit tiamats

[golden bridge]

saw a lilith get 2 shot by holden

massiah would need like 6 turns to kill the same lilith

unethical bruiser

[vapid nacelle]

It ok ppl will figgure stuff out surely just early season disaster

[golden bridge]

yeah i stopped doing sim battles

just need to take some break and un-tilt myself

then go back to kitchen and cook some strats

its disheartheining tho

when your opponents play like first time gamers but games are still close

people i had 95% wr against last season its like 60% now

[sinful verge]

That's how rev is now?

[golden bridge]

ive never used rev in rta i think ?

like not once

[sinful verge]

Oh so what's fucking your Wr

[golden bridge]

i had that type of winrate against most people except bread and yeon

[golden bridge]

oh if you mean like what caused it

rev nerfs and lilliam release hit standart hard too

bruisers are much harder to beat

i used to cc bruisers or hybrid cc cleave them to death

now it doesnt really work

[vapid nacelle]

Tbh im just ignoring rta for time being due to changes, my acc was playing on budget gear might as well just wait it out and rebuild my acc

Vacay tomorrow so will think abt rta when im back after 2x

[golden bridge]

if somebody cant come up with a reliable counter to bruisers

its joever

[warm light]

We don't even have a lot of good wound units

There is like Mio with her S2 and a couple of garbage characters

[vapid nacelle]

Surely theres a way, they only have so many units to work with they cant build all of them for every scenario i had high wr against most bruiser players without playing cc or having yeli/messiah/rev last season

[golden bridge]

what did you play

[vapid nacelle]

Most ppl in mythic had insanely bad builds on bruisers and just spammed lighthouses and hit mythic through winning vs rev spam in master/diamond

[golden bridge]

oh yeah definitely

not just bad builds but they were playing like subhumans in draft and in game

[viscid osprey]

You can just do 20 quick forfeits and get your 2k/ week—currency increase was easily the best thing this patch. I gave up on RTA a few weeks ago and life is just better.

[vapid nacelle]

Makoto since she was underutilized for whatever reason she was winning even holdens in 1v1 while being on amber bcs i never got artisian

Everyone had a plan until holden got 2 hit by makoto

Tho she was perma banned mostly after

I think only person that beat me with bruiser vs bruiser one sidedly was @swift mountain rahu that i banned after and we split games

[warm light]

That's how you know that a playstile is incredibly broken in the current meta

[vapid nacelle]

Not rly ppl are bad

[golden bridge]

i had a take

[vapid nacelle]

Most rev players had 0 braincells just spamming games

[wind maple]

fearless arena tho

[golden bridge]

a few weeks ago saying

[warm light]

BB lighthouse on everyone is disgusting

[golden bridge]

people outsideof top 10-20 are clueless

let me dig it up

#1398962497998032938 message

#etheria-only-chat message

#etheria-only-chat message

[viscid osprey]

To be fair she looked OP on paper, but turned out to be whale bait

[sinful verge]

Fuck that's how I play too

[golden bridge]

sometimes works

but this is pre lilliam

wouldnt have worked if that was a lilliam pick instead of rahu

[vapid nacelle]

Most bruiser players in mythic were just trappable af in a sense that u force them to pick bruiser u want to play against on ban protect and they have nothing they can do after

If they dont have pivot to cc they just panic draft yeli rev or smth and cope

[storm sigil]

bug have u tried def down teams in sim, or isit too inpractical to pull off in rta

[golden bridge]

too much cleanse and immunity

best def down enablers are probably

holden and yeli

[storm sigil]

figured

[storm sigil]

nahor

[golden bridge]

[storm sigil]

but nahor kit is genuinely garb

[golden bridge]

holden is such a huge problem

he is actually retarded right now

[vapid nacelle]

I still think nahor is underutilized but nobody wants to take a risk when he was not needed last season

[storm sigil]

i pulled him last min after bruiser buffs

but the lattice drought

putting lattice into this dude will cripple anyone

[vapid nacelle]

Yeah he is expensive

And obol in his bugged state is just better

[storm sigil]

man this week is smth

alot of things piling up

even the gvg

[glacial cove]

this week is cooked

maybe this is just me but

I would prefer 20 second game cleave meta over 20 minute bloodbath meta

and I'm a f2p player who is hyper invested into bloodbath

[wind maple]

idk alot complained about rev so

[narrow drum]

we slghtly adjust bloodbath from 55 to 65% here we go next patch with there logic

[wind maple]

they did the majority kewk

now we see majority complain bb meta

[swift mountain]

lol this is the new meta 😄

everyone banning it

[timber sparrow]

on my knees once again for a reset event @bold gulch

[timber sparrow]

2x confirmed :o?

[worn seal]

Guys i think i got some good reasoning, so maybe with enough push from the community, i could open a feedback thread and i communicate why we need a reset event on balance changes.

[dark wagon]

all we need is a bloodbath buff

[true wolf]

i mean...do it, we will support

[vapid nacelle]

Dont trust prydwen too much their whole lists make 0 sense to begin with

[true wolf]

Ntm

[vapid nacelle]

Fact they even rank units that are pvp focused units for pve is ludicrous, one of the reasons every gacha they cover has braindead followers in community is them not saying "dont use for pve its a pvp unit"

And having bs ranking like t0 t0.5 etc. or their typical SSS SS etc.

Units like makoto, liliam, hoyan, lilith shouldnt have any pve rankings to begin with

[true wolf]

you must be joking

[golden bridge]

tier lists being tier lists

[timber sparrow]

yes please we will all upvote

[tawdry jacinth]

I was hoping we got a bruiser counter

[flint pendant]

their rated in shit tier so you know theyre shit

[oblique scarab]

Bruiser counter is CC bro.

Trust me.

[tawdry jacinth]

true, but i've started seeing a lot of effec res stacking ling

and sania

[oblique scarab]

also true

So the counter to that would be damage

The problem I face during bruiser comps

Is idk who to target first when they all run bloodbath lmao

[tawdry jacinth]

Guessing game on which one has the most effect res modules

Even then lighthouse makes it much harder

[tepid narwhal]

Up

[wind maple]

well at least rc77 got something to do

[tawdry jacinth]

no kloss?

[wind maple]

kloss dies

[tawdry jacinth]

oh, for some reason mine stays alive

i have 5/1/5 kloss tho

[bitter pivot]

wtf i refuse to believe that how do u get top 200 with mere 323 spd

its not like everyone was playing bruiser pre rev nerf

[bitter pivot]

oh you just wait hahaha

she doesnt work into holden, her passive block only works into skills named as passives such as sania s2, yeli s2, viper s2

[storm sigil]

she does no?

all skill 1 passives

[bitter pivot]

wait wait now that im testing it again

i couldnt get to hit holden enough but it didnt proc

did they change it

yeah it seems like she blocks those too now wtf

[storm sigil]

she always did

[unborn robin]

Its funny people dont know that

[bitter pivot]

its funny how you try to uplift yourself like that

[warm light]

No she doesn't, only on S2 passives. It was already tested long ago

U can clearly see it with units that get extra stats or damage from their S1 passive, it's the same

[storm sigil]

she does no?

im a day 1 celince 555

played her from the very start, also tested with my guildmates

not even joking, might be the only 555 celince out there

[true hatch]

[spice crag]

mine 4/1/5

[true hatch]

Rev dead

[spice crag]

they just hide her feet

[warm light]

No she doesn't, there a lot of "passives" that u can't block

Like with Liliam

[storm sigil]

we not talking abt liliam

she cant even land her forgetfullness on liliam

its counted as cc

however s1 passives are disabled

[warm light]

Literally every passive on the S1 is untouchable

[storm sigil]

like tiamat

[worn seal]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1401230469667881090 My post about why we need a reset event on every balance change.

[true hatch]

I appreciate the time you put into your thread but I got overwhelmed the second I clicked on it

I’m on mobile and this looks like a thesis

[storm sigil]

i just confirmed with my very own eyes that s1 passives are disabled

u got me good there

[warm light]

Well at least the vast majority of S1 passive were not included in celince debuff from what I remember when they tested her during the early days

[storm sigil]

dont think they will only let a select few passives pass by under forgetfullness but yea ig early days

if it doesnt disable s1 then she belongs in tier 10

[warm light]

I don't know where to find it but I'm sure that a lot of passive are safe form her

[storm sigil]

nope it doesnt

[warm light]

At least the ones that gives stats

[storm sigil]

u cant find it because s1 is indeed disabled

i played celince all the way to mythic in rta

the amount of times it disabled tiamat holden is clutch

[worn seal]

because it is xD

Got my opinion out there now i can chill haha

[pale frigate]

even Bread said Celince should be good and should move up in the PVP tier list but hasn't yet because people have been prioritizing other units

[faint crescent]

I want to invest Celince but I feel like every good unit I have is green and it annoys me

[storm sigil]

celince is great against bruisers

but playing her just means another 10 min match

so thats a no for me

[lavish sage]

she does disable apssives that are in s1 we tested it in our guild aswell

problem is even if she is good against bruiser its 1 slot you have to invest. So if you play anything other than bruiser yourself its a horrible pick in most cases.

you probaly end up with only 1 cc unit in your comp vs bruiser+healer with cleanse

and now that everyone runs high effect res its even worse

[austere holly]

Theoretically if everyone is running res then you should be able to cleave right?

[lavish sage]

can still run bb ....

and lighthouse

[golden bridge]

you can cleave yeah

since people are really bad at drafting

but if you are against a solid player you are at a disadvantage

luckily there aren't many of those

[dull cliff]

@feral halo

[golden bridge]

rare sighting of yeongeo on discord

👀

[dull cliff]

No work today just bedrotting and lurking

[storm sigil]

celince just built diff

[bitter pivot]

i tested in the beta and she didnt, but now she does

liliam resists as she is immune to cc

but she blocks the rest

[bitter pivot]

this is so ugly man where is ur shield bot build...

[storm sigil]

it was once a hp tank until rev came and changed up the meta

[bitter pivot]

well its gone now

back to ur roots

[storm sigil]

nah i aint doing 10 mins of back and forth

[split flint]

Devs want u to do that

[storm sigil]

am transitioning into a def break cleave, current winrate is about 30% against pure bruisers

[storm sigil]

i'll take this over 10 mins

[wind maple]

im afraid of going into fearless guys

[split flint]

Just top right

[wind maple]

i farmed for brusiers now

but i havent farmed for healers

[vapid nacelle]

I mean thats how cleave should work tho, in e7 for example u cannot cleave without buffs/debuffs setup u dont just go in no def break and expect to cleave. Only reason cleave worked like so last season was bcs both yeli and mass ignore def/def break and supports that shouldnt do dmg did dmg, if anything cleaving with rev was p braindead in that sense. Didnt need proper dmg stats or anything to delete people and that was with 55dr on hits/rev and 30% on hits

[storm sigil]

yea, but with how pvp works now the set up for def break cleaves are so hard it just ends up being cc anyways

i aint playing the kazuyo snooze fest into a slug fest either

[storm sigil]

facts, idky they just messed up the balance so bad, if they want us to transition, why not make it feasible, and not down to bruiser vs cc

[narrow drum]

maybe Holden need another up, i feel it weak time to time

[austere holly]

Yeah, he doesn't have 100% win rate. He needs a buff

[sinful verge]

It's doable tbh, just had to farm bruisers and ban speeders Lily/Mio

[feral halo]

Mine was 555 day 3

[storm sigil]

U sir have my utmost respect 📈