You literally kill a playstyle and try to get away with no reset event? Reset event or Riot!

[astral sable]

Wish they would add summer skins

[vapid pilot]

only rin

[swift mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-de-aaron-anime-gif-19682185

[sacred raven]

rin > rest

[unborn robin]

They did for mc and some recolors best summer event ever

[astral sable]

Id get the Mc skin if she walked around in it during ember trek

[vapid pilot]

actually veronica is also pretty good

rin and veronica

everything else kinda bland

[austere holly]

They did. Don’t you see the rilmocha skin?

[split flint]

Rosa skin

Lingluo skin

[dim abyss]

[astral sable]

But it's just her lounge wear and I think the skins should be available both on lounging and in action

[spare totem]

they could do alternate characters, there's already precedence for it with both sanias and kazuyos - summer fun tiamat or whatever makes a water whirlpool rather than a hurricane

same as E7 does

[split flint]

Tiamat lifeguard skin would pop off

[sacred raven]

thats gotta be a contender for ugliest recolor

[split flint]

In her pv saving saving beyontin from water

[unborn robin]

I would prefer skins tbh since those chars are limited than

[kindred cairn]

she can step on me

[astral sable]

Dang I almost typed a long message but just realized im just getting one guyed again

[kindred cairn]

i was so excited to read what you were cooking up

[faint crescent]

One guyed?

[astral sable]

Just if you watch me on twitch you see I have a bunch of units on BB and that video was because ppl were slapping bb on everything even units that aren't strong versus revelation and are for different purposes. Sorry if you don't like the take that not every unit should be tailored for cleave and you should have some picks for bruiser mirror and control because having a one trick pony acc is boring

[unborn robin]

Let gang up on him

[kindred cairn]

bb is overtuned tho

[austere holly]

Nah devs don’t think so. Why do you think all the bruisers got buffed

[astral sable]

BB is fine

[austere holly]

It was quite funny when someone was saying how bad rev was when their screenshot shows 4 bloodbaths users

[kindred cairn]

yeah i agree bb is fine

*wink wink

totally doesnt plan to put bb on dps and supports

*wink wink

[mortal cobalt]

Yes yes BB is definitely very fine

[faint crescent]

Why does BB need to be limited to use on rev counter units?

[split magnet]

i don't think anyone who actually plays pvp at high rank thinks one tricks will succeed, you always need to have counter picks ready. now leaning to one playstyle is a different thing

[austere holly]

Nah you will sit in a 20 minute match AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT

[split magnet]

please don't make me

[austere holly]

Daddy Jack says you can only play 20 minutes matches and you will obey

[pliant crater]

Just wait until the player engagement with the high octane gameplay in the PvP weekly tournaments!

[topaz mountain]

IT already doesnt exist

[austere holly]

It will though. Marathon

[topaz mountain]

I thought its a sprint

[austere holly]

No! It’s a MARATHON! NOT a SPRINT

[pliant crater]

Can’t wait to get off work at 6PM, queue 2 ranked matches, and it will already be time for bed

[bronze stag]

guess the devs are going to pump some numbers when every match lasts 10 min+ right

[flint pendant]

cleave dmg buff waiting room

[pale frigate]

high octane gameplay = 20 minutes of oiled up Rahus and Holdens slapping each other

guys i have my final rating for this patch (YeonGeo edition):

smug Mia middle finger / 10

some other photoshop andy can finish filling in the white spots i cant be bothered with it anymore lul

[hushed oracle]

Lol my thoughts is put a permanent reset Ui but each time you reset it cost 4x to 5x the previous amount which would solve any future nerf or buff

But that just a funny thought of mine

[true hatch]

[pliant crater]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachi-muchi-gym-gif-26208724

[pale frigate]

"whatcha doing there in that jabrOni outfit" -Holden, probably

[queen fiber]

This for a fact

[pliant crater]

"I'll show you whos the boss of this gym"

[split flint]

In b4 a massiah comes out of nowhere and eats them maybe

As johncena

[tiny tiger]

where is the wet noodle

[lime ridge]

So this is how they are gonna fix the queue times

[austere holly]

You can only fix queue times by bringing in more players and well…

[vapid pilot]

the fix for queue time is to fix pve problems

[split flint]

Just deploy more bots in rta 5 head

[true sigil]

mythic bots with overtuned stats

clearly fits with the devs’ vision of a pve game

[split flint]

Yes

Deploy the bots of champions call

They don't use them outside of that anyway

[narrow olive]

While I agree with giving out a reset, technically the play style is the same, people always said it was a triangle meta where rev > cc > bruiser > rev, this just cements that.

[astral egret]

Is this church shott?

I farmed u

[cinder matrix]

oh hey its shott

the guy that everyone thinks is me

[golden bridge]

[narrow olive]

🍪

[spare totem]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[golden bridge]

i have problems with this meme

[split flint]

Just open holden so bread can clear ur problems

[split flint]

Will lilliam get rekt like massiah

Where he gets rekt by blood bath

Since he can't ignore it

[golden bridge]

i think lilliam is a bruiser

[split flint]

Btw how many turns it takes for massiah to kill def scalers in higher rta

If he survived

[golden bridge]

an eternity

massiah doesnt deal much damage after turn 1

[split flint]

I never see his s3 much since holden always resets that in higher matches

[golden bridge]

does like 20% of what yeli does

[astral egret]

Do you think she’ll die to a high investment yeli one turn?

[golden bridge]

idk maybe need to see her stats

[astral egret]

Her defensive stats wont scale that high imo

[golden bridge]

mayhaps

yeli can probably 1 shot her

[narrow olive]

She’s more to play into cc/bruiser, not cleave

[astral egret]

She’s weak against cleave

[split flint]

Even with bloodbath if her base stats are bad it won't matter?

[golden bridge]

well for dps outside of yeli she shouldnt be in 1 shot range

[astral egret]

I think pve yeli still oneshots liliam thru bb yeah

[golden bridge]

yeli can technically 1 shot anything

[golden bridge]

yeah but yeli damage is just absurd

[narrow olive]

Is rev still the PvP shell for yeli or will count take over

[split flint]

Time to ask for massiah buffs

[astral egret]

Either count or lion

Imo

[golden bridge]

ive been using count for a long time

bullwark is really valuable

does lion have bullwark ?

[split flint]

No

Lion gets fury

Bramble

[golden bridge]

i see

hm

its really hard to give up on count imo

with mio and kazuyo around

[timber sparrow]

reset event is confirmed not happening? :c

[astral egret]

@cinder matrix

[cinder matrix]

hullo

[astral egret]

Is this truw?

[cinder matrix]

yes

[astral egret]

[cinder matrix]

they did not directly nerf a character

they said they wouldnt give event unless a character got nerfed

[astral egret]

[delicate lance]

[astral egret]

We’re so cooked

[delicate lance]

surely if we complain enough

theyll do it

[faint crescent]

for now

[delicate lance]

after all our voice matters to etheria restart!

[astral egret]

This my lattice spread

[cursive smelt]

you guys will invite the XD Defenders again

[faint crescent]

The gobblers are always watching anyway

[spare totem]

https://tenor.com/view/gobble-its-time-turkey-gif-10360162498291476488

[cursive smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-fall-monkey-falling-monke-monke-fall-monkey-shock-gif-25040480

[faint crescent]

you ever been charged by a big tom turkey irl?

[spare totem]

i dont think ive ever seen a turkey irl

[faint crescent]

they're monstrous

[spare totem]

they don't look pleasant from the gif and as a reasonable human being i'll judge on turkeys on this one minor experience

[timber sparrow]

@gentle parrot please bless us with a reset ❤️

[faint crescent]

They're extremely aggressive and unafraid of humans

Great birds

[gentle parrot]

[astral egret]

im finna mention jack

[gentle parrot]

Time to adapt guys

[faint crescent]

you said you weren't jesus christ but look at that other thread...

give it a shot...

[delicate lance]

ResetforRev movement

[gentle parrot]

Try to get as much as upvote as you can

And I'll try on my side

[delicate lance]

You heard him guys

95k ppl upvote resetforrev surely we'll get it

[cursive smelt]

how many upvotes are we talking about here

[delicate lance]

100k

[cursive smelt]

[delicate lance]

It will come alongside the 100k discord celebration

[sturdy gazelle]

Thank you for your service

[austere holly]

https://tenor.com/view/mambo-dudidam-uma-musume-matikanetannhauser-tannhauser-gif-7475214070846487409

[maiden ibex]

Just to add here, Reset Event SHOULD BE a 100% requirement on balance change season ending patches.

[cinder matrix]

Cleave isnt dead but its not looking great. Def need to test but 100% should have been a reset. The devs deliberately didnt nerf any character to get around it. But nerfing a cornerstone pvp shell and then being like nope no reset when multiple characters live or die by it is a little frustrating

[sinful verge]

Bro came out of hiding cause everyone thought you were him

[timber sparrow]

let's all upvote this

can someone post on youtube and reddit

for more upvotes

i think it'll be nice if everyone got 2-3 resets this time :c

[astral egret]

How to upvote

[timber sparrow]

yeongeo really had like 8 rev characters 😭

[astral egret]

Im a boomer

[timber sparrow]

react thumbs up

[astral egret]

Oh lol

[sinful verge]

Nah, I'm at 7. So he has more than me for sure

[timber sparrow]

😭

i feel so bad for u guys

def needs a reset

esp for the SSRs

[astral egret]

Versailies? Rank 1?

[timber sparrow]

yeli beli yep

[sinful verge]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-anime-anime-wink-peace-peace-sign-gif-4591493253734534270

[timber sparrow]

kitty u like rank 2

dont act baffled

[astral egret]

Hell nuar

[timber sparrow]

u really rtank 1 in my heart so

[sinful verge]

Speed supremacy wont hit rank 1 this season 😦

[astral egret]

I hope i can still farm turn 2 players with my 5/5 yeli

[sinful verge]

I mean, probably. Its def thats the problem

[stoic pelican]

Im down to RIOT

[timber sparrow]

upvote upvote!!

[sinful verge]

Offense isn't changed THAT much for PvP AI.

RTA its greatly changed

[stoic pelican]

after not getting more rewards for the festive event fk these guys

[timber sparrow]

i know we have a redditor in here who can post

[supple mulch]

sigh

[sinful verge]

Offense actually got slightly easier for PvP AI due to Lingluo Light House trigger not cleansing anymore after patch

[timber sparrow]

my fault christian

[sinful verge]

PvP AI defense though? You can't kill bruisers with Freya Rev, Hein Rev, Yeli Rev anymore or atleast greatly reduced efficiency on any bruiser worth their salt

[sinful verge]

A few resets during every seaon balance adjustment makes sense no? Atleast for the first year?

[astral egret]

I atked him 7 times

Lol

[sinful verge]

Was this with triple rev?

Or you used CC

or mirror

[astral egret]

Yeahh its gonna be just bruisers vs bruisers now

Sadly

[astral egret]

1 rev only 5/5 yeli

He has 4 lh

[sinful verge]

Yeah this is what I do too, though usually too lazy to swap Hein to Codex

But yeah, even speeders probably gonna switch their defs to bruiser teams...

[astral egret]

10 minutes per ticket

[sinful verge]

I'm dying on speeder hill

[delicate lance]

Next patch bingo I'm gonna put one of my tiles as

Versailles saying "I'm dying on speeder hill"

[sinful verge]

Theoretically

next patch should revive speeders

Theoretically

[vapid pawn]

.>

[topaz mountain]

Spinters

[astral egret]

Petition to get another SSR selector when?

[edgy portal]

Are the devs going to fix obol eff res bug? does that count as a nerf?

[gentle parrot]

@edgy portal Make ticket to C.S they'll look into it

[edgy portal]

Theres already a lot of yt video talking about it

[gentle parrot]

@edgy portal They work through C.S unfortunately, plus they can check logs etc

[edgy portal]

i should also tag @supple mulch

[hushed crystal]

What is the obol bug

[crisp loom]

he ignores eff res or something similar

its very hard for us players to know exactly whats wrong but he works unlike any other character right now, 100% acc obol vs 300% res ling will stun 90% of the time

ppl are starting to build bb bulwark obols with hp hp acc cuz he doesnt need any acc to counteract res

[tawdry jacinth]

I went against a ling in fearless on sunday that actually resisted my obol stun twice idk if it was 10% twice

248% eff accuracy

[crisp loom]

Yeah well that also happens ofc

I said it was 90%

[tawdry jacinth]

the rng

[crisp loom]

but we sat in sim lobby and tested over and over

and it was super consistent

[tawdry jacinth]

His base chance seems too low for that it has to be bugged yeah

[pale frigate]

it's pedobol's world and we're all living in it

[crisp loom]

I have obol on permaban since 2 weeks before season end because I just have no counterplay

[tawdry jacinth]

Alicorn on ling?

Or dokidoki?

Do his dots also apply and ignore effect res?

[crisp loom]

no idea, dont remember

alicorn ling wont function properly

as a character

needs lighthouse or gigabyte

[timber sparrow]

obol also applies a million debuffs

my alicorn has missed the stun cleanse

[crisp loom]

some of these shells have too big effects on some characters for alicorn to be a real option

I run alicorn on lily and tiamat

[timber sparrow]

man my ling also has missed it too

bread, are ya still jackaling on holden post buff

[crisp loom]

ofc

its better than ever

[timber sparrow]

i like the jackal flick

i dont have a swiftsmite one, only a evolguard :/

[crisp loom]

oh hi shott!

[timber sparrow]

unplayable

[crisp loom]

my lilith using evolguard jackal cuz I only wver dropped one jackal like this

T.T

still farming

[timber sparrow]

bb bul evol? xD

[crisp loom]

correct

[timber sparrow]

man we're in the hoyan mines forever

[hushed crystal]

Best doki setup for bruiser comp ?

[timber sparrow]

maybe codex bb bul swift

bread correct me plz

that's the one i use

[crisp loom]

bb strive swiftsmite/coloss lighthouse imo, but might change a bit if rev dies completely

[timber sparrow]

STRIVE

🤩

[crisp loom]

yeah my doki is full eff res

[timber sparrow]

i guess its a choice of either bulwark vs eff res?

[narrow olive]

Did anyone put a ticket or anything for the Obol stuff?

[hushed crystal]

Figured not worth to bulwark since assuming full res

[crisp loom]

I didnt know thats what we have to do until today

so no

[crisp loom]

Im actually building bulwark+res

on some new builds

im working on

[timber sparrow]

ill be waiting for a new video

[crisp loom]

fuqiu supernova bb bulwark evol res res hp

my new tech

into cc

res instead of spd middle passive too

[narrow olive]

Fuqu into cc

[crisp loom]

ye its actually good

they cant do any dmg to u as long as veil is up

so if u have sania or somth else too

u just win

[hushed crystal]

Passive healing is really annoying since cc doesn’t do enough damage

[cursive smelt]

does fuqiu still give tm boost when whole team i cc’ed?

[crisp loom]

yes

[cursive smelt]

i see

[crisp loom]

makes ur guys cycle faster

harder to stay ccd

[tawdry jacinth]

What's the reasoning behind Lilith strength?

Isnt she countered by bulwark and effect res as well?

[cinder matrix]

fuqiu is the best healer into CC

[crisp loom]

she can solo lock 3 enemies into never playing the game consistently, if u have one more cc unit vs 4 u just win

[tawdry jacinth]

Oh

[crisp loom]

eff acc wins against eff res if u build for it fully for long game

[tawdry jacinth]

3 turn cd stun + turn pushback?

[cinder matrix]

dont tell them

[crisp loom]

ok that never happened

[tawdry jacinth]

[cinder matrix]

[cursive smelt]

[tawdry jacinth]

[crisp loom]

I like eff res+lighthouse because its good against ppl that do early stun into cleave or similar

[sinful verge]

[crisp loom]

on doki if u resist turn 1 u usually win anyways vs cc

[cinder matrix]

if you draft 2x booster into yeli into 2 CC units find god

just saying

[crisp loom]

and if ling goes early u usually win too

[crisp loom]

:)

sounds like xiao to me

[narrow olive]

The amber/wound interaction ain’t changing? Just the wording?

[crisp loom]

wdym?

[cinder matrix]

it was a bug and then they were like wait

tia is broken

[crisp loom]

ah amber

yeah

[cinder matrix]

lets make it intentional

[crisp loom]

they said they tried to fix it

but apparently they couldnt

so now its a feature

[narrow olive]

[hushed crystal]

Amber worth building anymore ?

[crisp loom]

amber is not a shell anymore btw

lmao

[hushed crystal]

Counter play seems too much

[crisp loom]

in gvg its good still

[cinder matrix]

amber is not horrible

but uh

xdd

[crisp loom]

in specific setups it can see niche use

[sinful verge]

That's intended. They put a description change that heals happen before cleanse now

[crisp loom]

rn

is my take

[cinder matrix]

back to the niconana mines

[sinful verge]

Well in the patch notes

[cinder matrix]

[crisp loom]

yeah well I need too many good jackals and this supernova

[cinder matrix]

surely i just get this bramble bloodbath swift in like

5 runs right

[crisp loom]

I at least have my giga I need

for sania

[narrow olive]

Don’t u want lions!!

[crisp loom]

and thats the most important one

[crisp loom]

wow such shell much wow

[cinder matrix]

yeah just you wait bucko

BB lion rosa

here we go

[sinful verge]

When Lion triggers with only one S1 I'll consider it

2 S1s too much

[crisp loom]

fr tho, maybe not that bad on mizuki

we will see

[cinder matrix]

holden

ezpz

[crisp loom]

ez holden lion time

but ye nah

[sinful verge]

Delete this

[hushed crystal]

Giga better than lighthouse on Sania ?

[crisp loom]

it does nothing during the most important part of the fight to set the pace

[crisp loom]

100%

giga sania is giga broken

[hushed crystal]

Bramble bb ?

[crisp loom]

bb swift evol imo

strive good too

[cursive smelt]

do you build sania on eff res as well?

[narrow olive]

Bread making pvp more annoying every day

[crisp loom]

mine is res res hp

[cursive smelt]

i see

[cinder matrix]

im too bramble pilled on sania

[crisp loom]

234% base

[sinful verge]

Bread reason why Holden buffed

[crisp loom]

it ints my lighthouses

I think its insane otherwise

[cinder matrix]

Bread released the video "wowewow holden is op" and the devs watched it and were like lets buff holden

[crisp loom]

lets make rank 1 happy

[sinful verge]

Lets make this Bread guy eat his words and buff Holden! Wont break anything!

[cinder matrix]

[crisp loom]

meanwhile: me malding cuz holden just more permabanned against me

[cinder matrix]

bread with his xd sponsored ice cream

[crisp loom]

I havent played with my holden in too long

[sinful verge]

Oh. So this buff was done to spite you

So its still your fault

[crisp loom]

real

[sinful verge]

Its also why no RTA for 3 days

What did you do to piss off the devs

[crisp loom]

not get into ews

[narrow olive]

I really don’t get the hesitation to give resets, it makes ppl happy and play the game more….. even tho I don’t think the rev nerf is bad, it’s good practice

[crisp loom]

so now their tourney is weird cuz only kekker and yeong who got in are actually high rank

[crisp loom]

Idk, everybody is malding rn

[crisp loom]

a reset event is like just a nice thing

to cheer ppl up

[narrow olive]

Yup

[sinful verge]

Its a booooone but they want us as starving dogs

[crisp loom]

everybody makes mistakes, especially casual players

why is it so bad to let us undo a mistake or two

[hushed crystal]

Even without mistakes it’s fun to try building different characters

[crisp loom]

mhm

I mean I like my massiah but id probably reset him

not seeing much use

rather build a new fun one

[narrow olive]

Something so simple, and doesn’t really cost them anything. It’s not like
The ppl buying tofus are gonna stop bc they get a free reset

[waxen rampart]

the revolution is over

[tawdry jacinth]

In bruiser vs bruiser, is lighthouse still good or gigabyte/amber better?

[cinder matrix]

If they did a reset event for just 1 free character and 1 paid character (like 500 gems) i guarentee they would be fine

[crisp loom]

ye I wasnt spending on anything but tofu anyways

[sinful verge]

Does DoT triggger Light House

[crisp loom]

so nothing changes

[crisp loom]

no idea, never had enough

[narrow olive]

Artisan better

[tawdry jacinth]

I mean on sania, ling, fuqiu

[crisp loom]

Idk I just dont like artisan cuz I think its only good in bruiser vs bruiser

and I dont play bruiser into bruiser anyways

[tawdry jacinth]

Or do u just run artisan on everyone at that point

[crisp loom]

I run 0 artisans personally

mix of gigabyte jackal lighthouse

[tawdry jacinth]

Cc prevents artisan right?

[narrow olive]

They don’t stack, 2 max imo

[crisp loom]

unsure

dont use it enough

[tawdry jacinth]

Is jackal guard good?

Im seeing more people use it

[narrow olive]

And I agree with bread I don’t use it, but it is the best choice if you are going bruiser into bruiser

[crisp loom]

u are talking to the person that glazes this shell the most

[tawdry jacinth]

[crisp loom]

my fav shell and I think its op

[true hatch]

artisan is one of my favorite shells

[narrow olive]

Actually think I do use artisan on Mizo bc I only run her into bruisers

[tawdry jacinth]

3 turn cd, self action advance, perma speed buff, damage?

[crisp loom]

I run my mizu into everything rn

lighthouse been doing work, thinking about gigabyte no cap

[true hatch]

waiting for her to be taken to the place viktor went

[cursive smelt]

[tawdry jacinth]

Mizu lion?

Her counterattack rate is 100% right?

[crisp loom]

mizu on lh for me rn so she good into aggro

lh push up into full def up

is so nasty

and her atks do so much dmg

her and holden can onetap a freya

no joke

happened more than once

[tawdry jacinth]

Holden mizo fuqiu for gvg defense

[crisp loom]

need somth for cc

id run sania over fuq

[tawdry jacinth]

Time to invest

[tawdry jacinth]

What's her skill prio if you dont have all lattice?

And how do u build her?

[crisp loom]

uh she kinda needs em all

[narrow olive]

Gb mizu 😭

[crisp loom]

theyre all good

[cursive smelt]

[tawdry jacinth]

I assume all defense on right side?

[crisp loom]

def def crit

[tawdry jacinth]

Ah true

[crisp loom]

slap those tias to the moon

12k hits into tias feel nasty

[tawdry jacinth]

Middle shell crit rate?

[narrow olive]

Still 5 minute match 😭

[crisp loom]

always spd

unless massiah or somth

[tawdry jacinth]

[crisp loom]

but in pvp still spd

[tawdry jacinth]

I guess insight or damage done on rightside

[crisp loom]

havent rolled my right side yet, im still rolling for insight on sania

3.5k chips no insight btw

pity when

[tawdry jacinth]

What modules setup? Im guessing swift BB coloss

[tawdry jacinth]

[crisp loom]

on my lh im bb unbreakable swiftsmite

id take bb swift swift too

[tawdry jacinth]

Ooh

[crisp loom]

need that acc and some spd

[tawdry jacinth]

So u just want her fast

[crisp loom]

on lh the higher her spd the better

[tawdry jacinth]

[split magnet]

can you run not lh?

[crisp loom]

if u cut and remove their buffs plus def up

u just win

[crisp loom]

yeah ofc

[tawdry jacinth]

Thanks for the info

[crisp loom]

in tank v tank artisan is bis

[tawdry jacinth]

[crisp loom]

im cooking about maybe gigabyte

new lion might be worth testing? but sus

[split magnet]

ya thought so thanks

[crisp loom]

I think lighthouse has most allaround usage

but others are better in specific scenarios

[split magnet]

i guess lh is always good in case ur getting sneaky cleaved after this patch

[crisp loom]

I mean aggro doesnt go away

rank 3 xiao was never on rev

and he is an aggro player

count is a very good shell

lets u do bulwark dpsers and do dmg still

[split magnet]

whats aggro? mostly mass on count?

[crisp loom]

yeli too

aggro like he is aggressive

but doesnt always lose if he doesnt go first

unlike cleave

cleave is first or die

t2 is always tank it out and deal with it

[viral vault]

It is definitely creating a 2 headed meta. Completely gutting rev is a terrible move

[split magnet]

imo they should've nerfed some cc units and maybe introduce a new cleanser instead of going with kinda broken passive on LD 2 months into the game

[viral vault]

Kinda broken is an understatement. If her stun bypasses immunity she will be full on cracked

[split magnet]

still waiting on multipliers and base stats to know for sure

if she cant kill shit shes aight

if she can then broken

[viral vault]

Yeah. The little Twitter post with the ability descriptions says "guaranteed" stun which has me wondering if that means it doesn't need eff acc or it bypasses immunity.

[split magnet]

why not break 2 of the game rules instead of 1 right

but have to see how it works

[viral vault]

Because if it's the latter you can double pull her to ult and S2 to pretty much guarantee a kill, stun their whole team and then hit the rest with mass or something. They're down a unit immediately

Aggro lives lol

[timber sparrow]

no way i need a LH on tia now right

[viral vault]

No.. no... everyone take your LHs off.

It's safe now 😈

[crisp loom]

aggro always lives

[sturdy gazelle]

This is BIS pvp count shell right?

[golden bridge]

better than rahu

[crisp loom]

I mean yeah she is

she is a real one

also got buffed

she gonna hit so hard

[lofty atlas]

really kills liliam potential by nerfing revelation

[crisp loom]

why? she was not gonna be on rev anyways

[viral vault]

I doubt her ult will hit enough times for rev to have even been good on her

[next bay]

i was building a pure counter team Holden, Mizuki, Viper, Rahu just for lols didn't know its going to be relevant in arena lol

[golden bridge]

it wont

thats a pretty bad team

[ashen pasture]

Would never be relevant

[thin sage]

Thank you for saying that! Finally bringing common sense back to the thread! 🙏🏼

[uncut rapids]

[sturdy gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cunGC1dafzA

Even Barcode wants a reset event, the f2p god has spoken lol

[austere holly]

I don’t think he realizes that this is a marathon. Not a sprint

There are no resets in a marathon

[rancid coyote]

Actually marathons can be reset for multiple reasons 😂 just like any races

[austere holly]

Then why is there no resets here hm?

Checkmate

[rancid coyote]

For instance weather, car driving onto the track at the start, interference, route changes etc 😂

Cause this isn’t a marathon

It’s a …. Fk around

[austere holly]

A grinding marathon

[rancid coyote]

Idk what to say tbh idk why they against resets 😂

[austere holly]

Cause if they do then everyone will have perfectly built characters

[rancid coyote]

Yea but 1 reset a month wouldn’t cause this

[austere holly]

Nah that’s 1 month of the grind. That’s enough for 1 fully maxed out character. Image the damage that will do in a millennium!

[sinful verge]

Even once every 2 months, you know, when rebalance happens.

[spare shoal]

Give me reset pack for 1k usd

[cursive smelt]

[rough kelp]

I was probably one of the first revelation users on the server. I was the guy whom bread made his initial "fix the incredibly broken revelation spam" thread too. We can say he changed his mind or it was a knee jerk reaction. I don't care, let's move on. Rev was nerfed cos they wanna cater to the 90% of the hard stuck diamond player base who can't clear Rengo thus they can't deal with rev.

My question is if you are so keen on balancing the game'sbPvP for the casual masses, why don't you just make the inferno hunts more accessible? You are cool to balance the game around the masses for PvP, but you refuse to balance the PvE around the masses. You keep making inferno exclusive to certain heroes and locking our the majority and that's why they can't play the game properly. Honestly we all know why and that's why I personally quit like weeks ago. Seeing how this game is shaping up to be it was probably the best decision I made.

[cursive smelt]

i remember monke freya cleave montage

[split flint]

He is a monke

Monke see rev monke cleave

[rough kelp]

As I said back then too. I'm cool if they nerf it for PvP. I made it for PvE and back then it was really hard to deal with it.

[split flint]

Yeah true though them not nerfing pve is more issue

[rough kelp]

But ye imo inferno hunts should be nerfed. There is clearly a ton of way to deal with it, but the majority can't. And they won't after this change eithe.

Until people can reasonably farm inferno regno they will keep crying about rev too

[split flint]

Next week also no inferno nerf

It will be another stale week like usual

[rough kelp]

Sad

[vagrant knot]

but u have the white knights saying look at youtube video 90-100% clear rate, u can do it or stop whining!!!

[clever fern]

The answer imo was to nerf inferno rengo/aurora and make the counters to rev more accessible.
Rev seemed so oppressive because it was easier to farm and gear for.
Now all the nerf rev crybabies will cry as they get beat down by well built bruisers that are geared from what they still can’t farm lol

[unborn robin]

Its funny cause i argued with some about inferno stages they said its easy to beat sharon inferno i said i have no lily and so on they tried it without lily they couldnt beat it as easy as they said

[rough kelp]

Let's be real as they can't farm Rengo they will be still cleaved by rev too. this literally changed nothing. Other than removing rev from the top play completely

[clever fern]

Yup

[cursive smelt]

i just hate that they make out hero pool smaller now

they should have buffed more units that werent used as much before

everyone would try to pick the same units now

not gonna be fun

[vagrant knot]

dont understand why they are so adamant on gatekeeping pve farming difficulty, u want difficult pve u already have ember trek, ethernet rally and anisync echoes and the occassional event like cage rumble

[rough kite]

Rev damage reduced by 30% and the "community" begins muling like a baby, stop your whining. no animus nerf means no reset.

[delicate lance]

Why did you put quotation marks around community

We play the game too brother

😭

[shut lynx]

It works ? U have some builds ? 😱

[rough kite]

I say that because its almost never the entire community, and always the vocal minority asking for unreasonable things.

[delicate lance]

Well, I suppose you have your reasons to believe that but most of the community don't speak up either

[rough kite]

probably. its still an unresonable ask if you ask me.

[delicate lance]

For sure

[rough kite]

Especially when the devs have already stated they wont be doing anymore resets unless nerfs happen, then they give us buffs across the board.

[delicate lance]

Well rev is definitely a nerf to many units

[rough kite]

As for the shell nerf, you already get 70% mats refuned so.

[delicate lance]

Alot of people feel cheated that they skilled up characters to abuse rev with

[rough kite]

And its not a nerf to units, they still work as intended.

[delicate lance]

The training data isn't the problem

[rough kite]

its just not opressive anymore

[delicate lance]

The reconfig chips are

Alot of people are sitting on 5 million + data

But 0 chips

[rough kite]

me included

[delicate lance]

For sure

[rough kite]

what is a reset going to do to fix that problem tho?

[delicate lance]

^

[rough kite]

I was sure rev was getting nerfed so i waited until patch notes to make any choices on what i wanted to upgrade. Now i see the changes

and guess what? im still going to build my revs becuase its only 30% decrease

[delicate lance]

Everyone foresaw a rev nerf, but at the same time they also foresaw a bloodbath and bruiser nerf

When you nerf the minority playstyle it's only natural that they tend to feel upset towards the changes and want compensation

[split flint]

Yeah but funny enough massiah literally scratches bruiser

And yeli gets punish hard

[delicate lance]

Yes

[split flint]

2 holden counters kill her

[golden bridge]

yeli doesnt really care about rev nerfs

[rough kite]

Minority playstyle? you mean majority?

[split flint]

Buff massiah also

He is a ld

[golden bridge]

massiah never really deal damage anyway

[delicate lance]

No, rev is the minority within top ladder

[golden bridge]

does 1 S3, deals 30% damage

[rough kite]

Oh really?

[delicate lance]

Most teams are built around bruisers

[golden bridge]

then never deals damage again

[rough kite]

interesting

[delicate lance]

Holden ling doki

[split flint]

I think massiah should be fixed rn

Or adjusted

[delicate lance]

The game stopped being a cleave contest when bloodbath started making appearances

[split flint]

Ld units shouldn't struggle much

[golden bridge]

nah i think its fine he is just outpaced by a stronger ld

[rough kite]

massiah is a counter to any unit that has a defensive or reactive passive. its fine

[split flint]

Huh

[rough kite]

hoyan/tia ect

[split flint]

He gets stripped lmao

And dies

[golden bridge]

massiah doesnt counter anybody except hoyan

[delicate lance]

I wish massiah countered tiamat 😭

[split flint]

Massiah scratches enemy if they have bloodbath

[rough kite]

not talking about his invincibility, but his ability to ignore passives

[delicate lance]

Not to mention Holden s2ing him puts him out of the game for 3+ turns

[split flint]

He doesn't ignore bloodbath

[delicate lance]

[split flint]

[rough kite]

yes but that problem isnt unique to massiah

No one ignores bloodboath

[split flint]

Heck even borgne is better than massiah

[delicate lance]

It affects him more than yeli

[split flint]

Lowkey

[delicate lance]

He has max 2 hits

[rough kite]

thats becuase yeli can abuse rev better

again not a problem with massiah

[split flint]

Yes even count massiah does nothing

Like he feels ass

[golden bridge]

massiah isnt a character after turn 1

but thats the case with most characters

[split flint]

When he is rated as top tier in pvp

[golden bridge]

only yeli continues dealing damage after turn 1

[split flint]

Massiah rank should be lowered

[golden bridge]

its more of

[delicate lance]

And he only gets turn one when he's boosted by tsukiyo

[golden bridge]

dps characters except yeli doesnt really do anything post turn 1

[rough kite]

i disagree

[split flint]

Soon u will agree

With touching all those bruisers

[rough kite]

Im a bruiser player.

[delicate lance]

Why massiah s3 doing less dmg than a Holden counter

[rough kite]

i see 4hour matches in my future

[split flint]

I will just keep my rta on auto

If win

Win

[delicate lance]

Timeout comp vs timeout comp

[split flint]

Lose lose

[delicate lance]

[golden bridge]

evil bruiser players

you deserve whats coming

[rough kite]

^

real

I think the holden buff was not necessary

[delicate lance]

Bruisers are far easier to build than speedsters

[split flint]

Then don't pre ban holden against bread you also deserve holden smacks

[golden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[split flint]

If anonymous matching comes

Bread will get holden

[rough kite]

Only becuase speed hinges on being faster than your opponen. other stats dont care if you have more or less stats than your opp

[golden bridge]

not really

perma banning holden is the norm

[delicate lance]

Why would u ban holden

He was so weak he got buffed

[rough kite]

Holden hitting you for 80k resetting your turn meter and skills is FUN

[delicate lance]

Holden clearly was under performing no reason to ban him

[rough kite]

^^^

Right lol

Helkid speed buff is nice tho

[blissful dagger]

just a question how can holden reach 80k damage?

[delicate lance]

Crit

[blissful dagger]

i have him but don't do a lot of damage

o ok tnx

[delicate lance]

Also it's not 80k that's a stretch

[rough kite]

His s2 hits hard, he gets so much final damage boost. defence up + artisan 700 def boost. crit.

No, its really not a stretch it happend to me. I shit myself

[delicate lance]

Were you not running bb

[rough kite]

and his final damage is getting booosted

[blissful dagger]

so i build him wrong hahaha. i have him at unbreakable and also def bonus matrix XD

[rough kite]

The unit he hit was not on BB no

[blissful dagger]

no crit no attack all def lol

[delicate lance]

It's rover

[rough kite]

but 80k after BB is still like 45k or something

[delicate lance]

80k is way out there

[rough kite]

My hoyan hits 80k

[delicate lance]

Something must've gone wrong

[rough kite]

what rank in rta are you?

[delicate lance]

Don't laugh

[golden bridge]

mıore like 35k

[rough kite]

Your likly higher rank than me

im stuck in plat 3 cant even pre ban smh

let me in diamond fk

[rough kite]

ah i see

[delicate lance]

Holy patch in 20 minutes

[rough kite]

lets goo

[delicate lance]

Knees weak, arms are heavy

I'm headed to the casino already

[rough kite]

who pulling for lillam?

lil i AM and britney

[sturdy gazelle]

Liliam is tomorrow

[rough kite]

im calling it now, she wont be as good as everyone thinks

people are going to dump their lattice in her, raw, and then find out its mid and beg for reset.

[delicate lance]

[kindred cairn]

guys is game fixed after maintenance

[golden bridge]

game is fixed when rahu transitions into fiora

[delicate lance]

Imma need a duelists dance for this meta

Thanks xd

[golden bridge]

yeah

[gilded sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/fiora-legue-of-legends-video-gif-6049086

[golden bridge]

max hp true damage

can fix the bruiser meta

[delicate lance]

Oh wait...

[wind maple]

Need hp destruction set

[cursive smelt]

you mean revelation?

[kindred cairn]

I knew rahu was gonna get buffed when i changed dp

[worn seal]

Its always the minority who screams the loudest and justifies it by saying they represent the majority

[rough kite]

always has been.

[bitter pivot]

even?

[trim heath]

reset for 3k gems

[tawdry jacinth]

what the yeli

[quick turret]

no need reset

[rough kite]

no reset needed

[unborn robin]

[rough kite]

oh shet solmi

[sturdy gazelle]

Reset ty

[rough kite]

no ty

[unborn robin]

Not needed

[rough kite]

needed not

[narrow drum]

tag them, bring them to the field of war

https://tenor.com/view/attack-battle-shoot-fight-war-gif-8012113456503760186

[spare totem]

i hate you for putting this in my head

[shadow crane]

Need reset.

[upbeat verge]

Can we at least get a reset event please? Rip 80 apex but at least we get our resources back

[wide violet]

Bruh you regret pulling liliam?

[upbeat verge]

Big time, would rather invest in any other SSR, literally any other

[abstract belfry]

Killed Rosa with the rev nerf throw us a reset event

[wide violet]

Get fucked I'd say

Dont follow the sheep next time

[unborn robin]

[worn seal]

Wait i thought liliam is broken overtuned and will powercreep the game

[wide violet]

Wait whaaaaat she isnt?? Aint no way

Doesnt her s3 do 700 hits?

With a min of 30000% multiplier?

[unborn robin]

750% pls

We got them 1/95555

[split flint]

This thread will also be closed

In 5 mins

[fair cloud]

Need reset for this Liliam , so bad

[unborn robin]

We are niw at 2/95548

[spare totem]

nobody forced you to pull 👍👍👍

[vapid nacelle]

bro wants to reset a unit that kills 100-0 units through bloodbath while being on tank build

[unborn robin]

Where?

I see 0 dmg liliam

[bitter pivot]

yeah liliam bad etc. etc. PLEASE ANOTHER RESET EVENT

[faint crescent]

I actually held a gun to his head

[golden bridge]

you are evil

[faint crescent]

[thorn heron]

wait, are "liliam bad" stonks going up?

[brisk turret]

🔥

Bring back our wasted gold tofus and reconfig chips!

[craggy hinge]

Lol bro abused rev spam and cries

[true wolf]

we need reset event

[faint crescent]

The person who posted this is a turn 2 player

[split flint]

The unit is working as intended devs

[true wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/bpk-stan-twitter-pause-gif-12904560722776470108

[craggy hinge]

No i am the outspeed and perma cc you

[faint crescent]

No, I mean the OP of this thread, whom you called a rev abuser

[craggy hinge]

ah okay

[wide violet]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1400494191829586041

[sonic kite]

I wanna thank Etheria devs by ensuring that I will now play 100% of the time against Holden, Ling & Doki. So nice to be playing those long matches on PvP.

Thanks god win/loss rate was buffed. At least I don't need to spend too much time on this shit RTA meta.

3 matches, 3 guys playing Ling, Doki and Rahu/Holden :DDDD

[split flint]

Dude for the first time I played etherena for a hour

Today

[sonic kite]

I can't believe they play their game, 4 real XD

[dull prairie]

Honestly after having build having invested all my saved pulls and resources on Liliam and she is performing worse than any of my other characters I have build I straight up feel depressed she is such a waste of resources that I feel like quitting if her damage ain’t a bug I am straight up quitting this shit is demoralising when you have resources you have been saving for weeks only to find out the overly expense L/D unit at triple price is performing worse an SR unit in straight up all content with maxed skills I am sorry but even for pvp she is useless their are way better options to pick and her damage does nothing.

[wide violet]

Daaamn so you're telling me a meta is created and now you see a lot of ppl use that meta

Crazy

[wide violet]

If you only waited a few days

My Liliam is put to good use as a healer

[warm light]

I still don't understand why they nerfed rev AND buffed tanks, they were already broken before with BB now it's literally the only way you can compete in pvp

[thick pawn]

Even if she was ultra busted she would have been powercrept a month later anyway if you can do all infernos and can make mythic summoning is such a waste even for a busted unit

[jade garden]

the thing with her is like

u gotta ask what her purpose as a unit even is

[wide violet]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1400494191829586041

[golden bridge]

[wide violet]

This is her purpose

[sonic kite]

No man. I am telling they killed the game, tankers were already a pain in the ass. Now they are insanely better.

[wide violet]

@golden bridge review my Liliam build pls

[jade garden]

i mean honestly

this is more realistic

as a usage

[wide violet]

I expect you to use her in rta

[jade garden]

than anything else at this point..

[golden bridge]

9/10

[thick pawn]

To bait people for the next overpowered unit every game does bait units watch next LD be something gamebreakinh like an LD healer or debuffer

[jade garden]

doesn't kill bruiser

doesn't contribute towards cleave

does counter cleave

what does she even do

[wide violet]

A little bit of dmg and a little bit of healing 🙂

Perfectly balanced

[jade garden]

ill just play dps gsania then

at that point

fk it

same thing

[wide violet]

😂

[jade garden]

[ripe scarab]

Bruh liliam is there to counter cc comp

[jade garden]

and then what

oh great my liliam didn't get cc'd

and then??

deal 50% damage to enemy obol hp??

[ripe scarab]

Then kill their cc

[dull prairie]

That’s exactly the point because she ain’t useful in PvP or PVE at least not compared to literally 80% of other units in the game what Kate’s it feel even worse for me is I maxed 80 pity for her on the L/D banner and invested all my perfect lattice only for her to perform worse in all content than all my other characters even when I equip her with my best gear

[dull prairie]

She doesn’t deal enough damage for that which is the problem.

[thick pawn]

Hear me out they rush nerfed Lilian thinking she would be kill game before they released her due to backlash but didn't change numbers

[jade garden]

people need to test her in custom pvp games

see if she's bugged lol

[thick pawn]

I'm onto something fr

[jade garden]

whats her pvp specific effect?

the hp scaling damage?

or what

i forget

ik the hp seal is but what about the damag escaling

[dull prairie]

Probably would not be the first time the devs made a last minute change they didn’t test think through or see if the players even wanted it

[thick pawn]

If she's bugged then they really have no quality assurance or testers in the studio lmao how does she get through this weak?

[jade garden]

fuqiu

was bugged day 1?

[wide violet]

Well

[thick pawn]

Hope she is buffed for people who have summoned but I'm on my own mission to max dupe the half anni unit if I haven't quit by then

[jade garden]

what was her bug?

[wide violet]

Players were hating liliam for thr powercreep

So devs "fixed" it

[delicate lance]

She was action advancing way too much

[jade garden]

ahh

ic

[thick pawn]

Every hit of multi hit attacks advanced action meter

not just

1

[wide violet]

Her dmg isnt bugged tho

[delicate lance]

I mean it could be

[wide violet]

I compared dmg from other units

[jade garden]

idk at the end of the day

i gave liliam my best dps gear

and gave diting my second best

and liliam did less than him LMAO

[delicate lance]

I mean is she supposed to deal more?

[wide violet]

Diting will always do more

Wtf

[delicate lance]

Yea

[jade garden]

not with equal gear

[delicate lance]

Yes?

[jade garden]

but like

we're talking

with inferno gear vs without

[sacred raven]

not much does more than ditings s3 nor should it

[delicate lance]

Diting ult is 460+260+S2 cr

[jade garden]

is her hp scaling

just from pvp?

[sacred raven]

i would expect her sustained dmg to be similar to ditings sustained however?

[delicate lance]

That could be

[jade garden]

oo

that makes more sense

[wide violet]

I do 90k hits with my meme build with s3

[jade garden]

lol

[wide violet]

And highest I've seen is 37k hit s1

Im not even running a proper dps build

[golden bridge]

idk what people are expecting

[wide violet]

99999999999^100

Dmg

[delicate lance]

^

[golden bridge]

like some people are saying she should deal more damage than yeli cause she is single target

[delicate lance]

Unironically still not enough to kill holden

[golden bridge]

have you looked at their numbers

[delicate lance]

[golden bridge]

yeli does 600% minumum and usually does 840-1080% multi with rev + def break

[jade garden]

so what ur saying is that she needs to be buffed

[wide violet]

No

[jade garden]

sounds good to me

[wide violet]

She just needs to be explored still

Like damn

[jade garden]

how does it make sense

for a single target damage dealer

to deal less single target damage

than an aoe damage dealer

[delicate lance]

Yeli does 560% minimum

[wide violet]

Yeli only has 3 hits as aoe

Rest is all single target

[jade garden]

oh

[wide violet]

💀

[jade garden]

whats her total

for one s3

[wide violet]

Go play the game

Instead of malding inchat

[delicate lance]

360% + fua 200%

[jade garden]

i don't want to

[delicate lance]

But she can do more than 1 fua

[jade garden]

play game = pain

[wide violet]

🪑

[jade garden]

🔌

[wide violet]

🛀

[sacred raven]

toasty actually toasted

[jade garden]

ig

bloodrush

will need another new member soon

[sacred raven]

nothing new