Liliam is a massive powercreep and will not be good for the game long-term

[queen wedge]

We have the numbers

She do big dumb dumb number

[fringe horizon]

she is gonna be

pretty good alongside yeli

[queen wedge]

Will her big dumb dumb number be enough? Hope so

[elfin thorn]

I was talking about summons and resource

[junior tangle]

XD ❤️ keep up the good work, looking forward your next appearance

[naive goblet]

Welcome back to the place, in which the discord was before release, where you actually talk to people who geniunely care about the game with reasonable takes and no BS gaslighting, doomposting and ragebaiting 🙂 I hope you enjoy your stay.

[raven atlas]

It's actually a much better place now that most of the doomposters have left or stopped crying

Still see some retarded takes here and there tho

We're actually out of the cavemen era and back to modern times

[clever mortar]

New patch did 80-90% of things right tbf

[naive goblet]

these loadouts

change everything

[clever mortar]

One thing it can improve is changing loadouts when fighting someone in Arena though but that's a small tweak to do

Locking gear on def is huge improvement

[misty rune]

isnt thats what arena preset for? or you mean team formation but for arena?

[clever mortar]

No so when you hit someone, you can't change gear anymore

[naive goblet]

https://gyazo.com/818edc8bfb635e18aba0701c631601e4 dafuq thats new xD

[clever mortar]

And also, in the arena screen it still shows PvE gear change. You have to click Arena Gear change to change Arena gear from the Arena screen

Honestly, not hugely important. Very happy with what we have now but its a future QoL improvement

[misty rune]

oh i understand what you mean....its probably something that left out from bunch of QoL added

[clever mortar]

This is probably more relevant to people like me who change Yeli gear depending on who Im hitting lol

[elfin thorn]

ironically the loadouts are a bit clunky

[solemn quiver]

I’ve been saying this for weeks just always get attacked by people that don’t want to accept it 😩

[elfin thorn]

but its such a huge improvement that i don't even care LOL

[solemn quiver]

Yeah, definitely some things that could be improved but it’s just QoL. Having the functionality there now is SO good

[elfin thorn]

we need QoL for the QoL changes

which kinda shows u just how bad it was before

looooool

setting the arena sets

is so fking udmb lmao

i have to go out to the main menu

make new presets

then go to arena and save the presets THEN apply them

like come on do better

but who fking cares

at least we have presets HAHAHAHAHA

[queen wedge]

The UI for the loadout management is fucking terrible but at least they added matrix filtering as a kind of de facto search

[elfin thorn]

its so ass

but i won't complain

because i appreciate the change in the first place

and im sure itll get better over time

[solemn quiver]

I think what it shows the most is that this probably wasn’t in development at all before they got feedback after launch and they’ve been rushing to get it done asap.

Honestly a pretty impressive turn around considering this would have been extra work ontop of everything else they had to be doing already.

[queen wedge]

It's great that toasty is back because he does the reply work of all 10,000 removed discord members

[elfin thorn]

HUH

[elfin thorn]

i agree i personally and 1) honestly pretty surprised and 2) really quite impressed

[elfin thorn]

ok

tbf

that has nothing to do with

how much i actually talk here

its just that everytime i say something

i say it in like

6 different text chunks

so realistically u could probably take that number and cut in by like

5-6 times

[queen wedge]

that's what I'm saying

[elfin thorn]

whats the bots name

i forget

[queen wedge]

[elfin thorn]

etheria bot?

yo

[queen wedge]

no clue

[elfin thorn]

gimme a warning rq

i promise i won't get mad

i just wanna see the name

come on

lets go

[slow cedar]

toastymellos has been warned

Reason: Spam

[elfin thorn]

now?

there we go

thats a fking lie

ok thats honestly less than i thought

[torpid blade]

This is cheating though he writes 2 words a message for an entire paragraph

[clever mortar]

A tradition now

[clever mortar]

Wtf not even 100

[cobalt path]

Liliam mid tbh

[elfin thorn]

Surprisingly yea

[vital shoal]

As is common with most gacha games, it’s widely understood that new, stronger characters are regularly introduced as part of their monetization strategy.

And they will nerf like hell that hero after couple a days or week

[old quiver]

Holden is an exemption to that tradition, he got injected with serum after the patch. The counterattack is so disgusting now, it doesn’t even miss. 😂

[clever mortar]

She wasn't killing the bruisers... She's joining them 😭

[stark kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-not-join-them-gif-16486235

[cobalt path]

I'm joking she looks absolutely cracked

[elfin thorn]

No?

[narrow zenith]

nerfing limited units in a gacha game

[junior field]

she lowkey hits like a wet noodle pve wise since rev cant be used

[elfin thorn]

kinda lol

maybe its just cuz mine isn't level 50 yet

she heals

a ridiculous amount tho

lol

[junior field]

yep, can see her mainly used for pvp only

[elfin thorn]

legit if she hits anything with s1 she just full heals LOL

yea

i do think

shes gonna be stupid tho

and highkey unkillable

anti cc and massive heal on S1

• big damage scaling with max hp on s3

can't not be good

[rustic shore]

so

wamen released

how is she?

[azure sedge]

On non bloodbath units? Oneshots them and looks broken af. On bloodbath units?

[simple hornet]

@urban cosmos unit garbage or ok

also ur not queueing right

[low mesa]

MIDLIAM

[simple hornet]

+4 for unranked wins legit waste of time

[low mesa]

Insta reset unit .... Refund them lattices

[urban cosmos]

she needs investment

[narrow zenith]

but yeli does the same and she's aoe

[low mesa]

She gets countered by Amber

[misty rune]

Vs amber you need wound debuff....its heal first before cleanse

[grave forge]

[narrow zenith]

yeah i'm ngl yeli still seems like the best dps LD

[rustic shore]

watching once testing her with shotty 😄

not fully skilled though

without full dps focused, against bb unit, she doesnt seems to do a significant dmg for the max hp cut to be significant 😮

[brazen portal]

OP is a clown

[junior field]

this aged like milk

and also expected

[narrow zenith]

you have to build her for damage if you want her skill 3 hp seal to mean much

but amber just removes the hp seal so what's the point

[rustic shore]

seems more of a good pick to counter when enemy going full cc

[narrow zenith]

meanwhile holden counter or w could just one shot her

[rustic shore]

otherweise i would just yelibeli

aoe

and clean

[narrow zenith]

yeah why not just go like speed race yeli and cleave cc in that case

i guess if you don't have enough speed she's great

[rustic shore]

more of cc counter

aye

[narrow zenith]

the hp seal is just useless

[rustic shore]

wihtout enough dmg yea

[narrow zenith]

not enough to counter turn 2 and amber just clears it

[rustic shore]

oww

[narrow zenith]

and for cc/cleave yeli is just better

[rustic shore]

revive

clears it?

[narrow zenith]

amber clears the hp seal

idk about sania revive

[rustic shore]

yea gg 😄

means rev too

[misty rune]

Revive clear too

[rustic shore]

kill 1

g.sania revive

😄

[misty rune]

The max hp debuff doesnt linger after death

[rustic shore]

man

we better not see

a feedback thread

reconfigure event for liliam

disappointing

soon

[misty rune]

[narrow zenith]

looks like the counter is just run amber on sania

and tiamat/holden

[indigo oak]

Yeah

[low tulip]

So many ppl here were deadset sure this would be such an OP powercreep heavy unit 😭

[narrow zenith]

probably don't even need to cause sania can just revive them

[indigo oak]

As usual turns out

[low tulip]

Only for her to do less dmg than diting in pve

[rustic shore]

guessed it

[indigo oak]

Numbers don't come into execution

[low tulip]

And be mildly interesting for pvp

[indigo oak]

And many will want refund now guys

[narrow zenith]

she's worse than diting, an SR character for pve

and the pvp niche she's used for she's kinda just mid

[indigo oak]

Legends always said wait btw

But these gacha addicts already went 8 or 12 lattice

[rustic shore]

just atk down her

[indigo oak]

On her

[rustic shore]

and she alrdy kinda

[narrow zenith]

i've yet to invest any lattice into her

[rustic shore]

wet noodle

[narrow zenith]

oh yeah she isn't immune to debuffs like atk down def down speed down

[low tulip]

Got 6 lattice in her went 4/1/4

[indigo oak]

Ye holden eats her for breakfast

It seems

[narrow zenith]

wait viper literally just shits on her

[rustic shore]

especially against bb units. its more of revelation dmg mostly

or sustained

on high turns matches

[indigo oak]

Yeah

Crit damage reduction

Silence

[narrow zenith]

his passive reduces her hp seal

[indigo oak]

Strip

[narrow zenith]

atk down speed down and counter

[indigo oak]

[rustic shore]

[narrow zenith]

yeah

[low tulip]

Viper bullies too many characters 😭

[rustic shore]

even viper's s2 is enough arldy

not to mention his

[narrow zenith]

worse than an SR for pve, hard countered by a shell and literally multiple SR's in pvp

[rustic shore]

spd down

and atk down

[indigo oak]

Viper bullied even my step bro

[rustic shore]

and clear her atk up

[indigo oak]

He was helping white knights who were stuck

[rustic shore]

idk why he is sr

[indigo oak]

The sr unit is much better lmao

And people hated on the sr more

[misty rune]

Atleast she wont randomly silenced

[indigo oak]

Surely

Clueless

[narrow zenith]

I saw her ult crit for 40k in rengo

[misty rune]

Silence count as cc right?

[indigo oak]

Debuff

It never was a cc

[rustic shore]

not sure on doki its counted as cc?

it kinda disable

[indigo oak]

On pvp it's weird

[rustic shore]

the dmg reduct

oh i see

[indigo oak]

Idk

[rustic shore]

gotta test

[indigo oak]

Honestly

Someone test

[rustic shore]

give us info

someone

😄

[low tulip]

Game so greedy they really made an ssr ld character weaker than an sr

[junior field]

tbh atleast now we can run liliam without being banned, her animation is cool thats all

[indigo oak]

Anyone did celince against lilliam guys?

[indigo oak]

I think her ult is either bugged

Or intended

[junior field]

i doubt so

[rustic shore]

i alrdy see her numbers

[junior field]

1 hit without rev

[rustic shore]

her multiplication is only the final dmg

[junior field]

can only do so much

[rustic shore]

no rev

[narrow zenith]

well i'm kinda glad i didn't invest any lattice

[indigo oak]

My guild master already did lmao

[orchid olive]

Nice op left the server liliam not as good as he thought

[junior field]

i can see her in a st meta

[narrow zenith]

i'll wait for more testing before i invest but i'll probably only skill her s3

[junior field]

where u st focus bruisers

[rustic shore]

[gleaming kelp]

full dps set, only took my ling down to 20% on bblh, if shes put on bblh or count, even worst

[junior field]

cos full cleaves will trigger all LHs

[narrow zenith]

wait but isn't that good for the game long term?

[rustic shore]

rev just too good

[gleaming kelp]

she aint a one hit wonder, she suppliments ur other dps I guess

[rustic shore]

against bb 55% dmg reduction

since it bypass it

[junior field]

did op ran away

[low tulip]

She will see some niche use/teams

[rustic shore]

yea

[narrow zenith]

i think she needs lily

[low tulip]

No what she needs is some milk

[narrow zenith]

someone who can cycle her a lot

and get her ult back many times

but at that point just run like yeli

[junior field]

basically everyone else does that job

[junior field]

yea

[orchid olive]

Tbh rev suck now i fought against rev user with pve build they couldnt one shot one of my units

[indigo oak]

Guys is there a thread already

[rustic shore]

especially rev on supports

[indigo oak]

By the 1 st min lilliam pullers asking for reset

[rustic shore]

it kinda downgraded yes after the reduction

[indigo oak]

Lmao

[rustic shore]

but on a dps

it still deal significant dmg

cuz support revs dmg mainly was from rev. and kinda chopped 30%

while the true dps i guess still have their own base dmg

and it nvr got cut

since its alrdy affected by the -30%

mostly i see run

with obol now

heinrich into obol cleave

[indigo oak]

Don't even need to ban lilliam against bruisers

Thank god

[rustic shore]

freya > hein > obol > yeli / x 😄

[narrow zenith]

i mean if they nerfed bloodbath she would actually be g reat

[rustic shore]

ensure stun and block

[narrow zenith]

55% on BB is a bit too much

[orchid olive]

I dunno there might be a build but people just go bruiser or wrong dmg build

[indigo oak]

So is lilliam worse than massiah?

[misty rune]

They nerf bb then some rengo run gonna get fcked

[narrow zenith]

for pvp

[misty rune]

Owh

[narrow zenith]

never nerf for pve

unless it's actually gamebreaking

the closest thing to that is shadow sania

wow i was excited to pull for her

got her at 73 pulls in

now i have the biggest pullers remorse

[low tulip]

I got 3 copies in 100 pulls

And 6 nolu

[rustic shore]

paper and practice problem 😄

[low tulip]

Nilu*

[rustic shore]

she will got her use though

just not as hyped as some of the peeps

made it

[narrow zenith]

i think yeli was the closest to me being fine with pulling for a character in this game

and i went to 80 pulls on her banner

what's the point in releasing new characters

[rustic shore]

set the expectation too high

[narrow zenith]

all of them fucking suck

like there's nothing new in this game but the characters

the only thing to get excited about

[rustic shore]

[split dirge]

what do you run on her?

I don’t think she was meant to be a one hit sniper especially in bb meta

[rustic shore]

ye

especially without rev

thought we all know that for sure

[orchid olive]

Ofc they hype everything like they hype this patch that is except for two points absolut trash imo

[naive goblet]

Wait people came to the realization that shes not giga broken and powercreeps the game? Damn

[rustic shore]

[narrow zenith]

see this isn't a problem, but amber and revive just make her hp seal pointless

so 2-3 ults to kill tiamat, only for that 30k hp seal or so to just go away and tiamat is back to full hp

[rustic shore]

now its just gonna go cycle

for the things that was expected

[split dirge]

I mean if she forces people to run amber, I think thats good

[orchid olive]

Btw cage event is two weeks long

[rustic shore]

aite

[narrow zenith]

you don't even need that, just run amber on sania

[rustic shore]

o.o? good rewards? :3

[narrow zenith]

sania can just revive and get rid of hp seal as well

i think her niche is just in gvg

since you can only run 3 units

[orchid olive]

If you get enough points same as before nothing really changed except you need less points... But who wanna fight this two weeks long

[rustic shore]

at least

we got preset and

they lower the points i g

just pls

[plush oriole]

120 gem a day, that's something

[rustic shore]

dont give me back

that champion call thingy -_-

too much analyzing

😭

[orchid olive]

Thats the only thing thats good but gonna be boring to sit there and wait 5 min everyday

[narrow zenith]

this game actually released at the perfect time

there's literally nothing new

the second czn endfield comes out

[rustic shore]

maybe one day we can run it & phantom on background 😄

[misty rune]

Preset atleast make cage bearable...and the score needed buff into 3k max and reward buffed like 60 lattice piece kinda great....
Im pretty much content sitting on 2k score max and get 45 lattice from this event

[narrow zenith]

[plush oriole]

any news yet?

[narrow zenith]

czn october, endfield idk

man i was looking for a replacement for my khloros for cage rumble

[plush oriole]

2 more month of grinding, i can do this

[narrow zenith]

and potentially replacing diting

she doesn't even do more damage than massiah

[orchid olive]

Star saviour coming this year aswell if you like seven knights: rebirth its coming in September

[narrow zenith]

oh yeah when does star savior come out

please save me from this

[orchid olive]

Just say this year

No date

[barren plover]

Liliam hit like a fucking noodle, are you happy now?

[plush oriole]

wtf this looks so good

[narrow zenith]

op left the server

[orchid olive]

I will still play ER tho like this game even tho it has its problems

[narrow zenith]

i would have that same sentiment like maybe a year ago

[orchid olive]

I played worse games ngl

[narrow zenith]

but why are you comparing to worse games

[junior field]

where else are the OP followers

[narrow zenith]

games should not be held to a standard of games that are worse

[orchid olive]

Yeah fr i shouldnt compare it to wuwa

Just a joke

[solemn quiver]

Waliant left?

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[plush oriole]

he left the server xd

[clever mortar]

It's true, can't one tap tankier bruisers.

[stark kiln]

What happened with wuwa?

Anyways no way I went 60 and didn’t get a single copy of the rated up 4 star

[orchid olive]

I just saw he got banned

[idle arch]

[grave forge]

give us the dirt

[orchid olive]

He was fighting against staff and even chris cause someone said something and than got banned

[junior field]

is waliant secretly ricky

[orchid olive]

Idk but who knows

[indigo oak]

Waliant is indonesia

Ricky is indian

[junior field]

[winter lion]

[grave forge]

[orchid olive]

Did she even do anything?

I saw nothing

[grave forge]

[indigo oak]

I just a fly

Tried to bite

[misty rune]

So if no def break she is ass

[orchid olive]

She is like a Chihuahua can bark but deal no dmg

[indigo oak]

Yo that's exactly my arena def team as well lmao

[indigo oak]

Yeah but people are still defending her

That she killed a massiah

[misty rune]

Fake image

[orchid olive]

And than there are people who say she is bugged

[indigo oak]

Ye

Yeli wasn't bugged on release I think

Or I am forgetting it

[orchid olive]

My honest opinion to liliam she might be good with a good team vs cc if she is good against bruiser maybe but only if people might use harvest

[indigo oak]

41 k

[grave forge]

I'm leaning towards bugged, but I need some gameplay of her into an actual cc team

[misty rune]

Yea thats just how much she can pump

[fringe horizon]

she doesnt seem bugged to me

i think peopl are just forgetting defense is an actual stat

[misty rune]

No def break = no dmg

[fringe horizon]

and without yeli/massiah

you dont deal damage

[orchid olive]

U have her?

[fringe horizon]

yeah but

[indigo oak]

So is she worse than massiah?

[fringe horizon]

lattice poor

[fringe horizon]

[indigo oak]

U escaped smh

[fringe horizon]

i dont think so but might be

[orchid olive]

Doesnt matter which build u use

[fringe horizon]

she is definitely not as good as yeli so far is my first impression

but could be provent wrong later

[indigo oak]

But compared to massiah?

[fringe horizon]

idk

[indigo oak]

Who has literally lower multiplier

[orchid olive]

Which build u use ?

And shell aswell?

[indigo oak]

He used dreambaa

[orchid olive]

No wonder she so good

[indigo oak]

Guys they should add a affect to drembaa

It takes lilliam into dreams

Where she does highest damage

[orchid olive]

Put all enemy even if immune to sleep

[gentle thunder]

[fringe horizon]

seen both count and white fang so far

i think count is just a better shell than white fang

so probably count

[orchid olive]

U can test something for me? Either count/wf keeneye,harvest and swiftraid? If thats gonna help her

[fringe horizon]

mine is 1-1-1

you got the wrong guy

[orchid olive]

Doesnt matter

[fringe horizon]

you need harvest

on her

[orchid olive]

I ask bread

[fringe horizon]

harvest bullwark raid/edge for pvp

[orchid olive]

He just got here

[fringe horizon]

for pve keeneye harvest edge

[orchid olive]

She really good

[fringe horizon]

wait really

[indigo oak]

Nah

Meme

[fringe horizon]

[thick lily]

will cage rumble quest reset

[grave forge]

time to spread to reddit

[misty rune]

Please reset once a week...i need more lattice

[thick lily]

nah i want it everyday

[indigo oak]

Cause u use on lilliam?

[misty rune]

Not yet

I just want hoarding...maybe use it later after im done on inferno

Rengo,he is stupid af

[copper beacon]

This is wild!!!

[old quiver]

I don’t find anything wrong with her, she is just over hyped so the reaction of her not being overly busted is huge.

[austere spade]

If she was OP clowns here would be saying they'll quit the game

[misty rune]

Op not here anymore

[old quiver]

She is hitting good numbers with dps shells and sets. Those one having low numbers might be because they are being greedy and running her on BB or something defensive shells which lowers her damage alot

[grave forge]

I'm glad she's not omega broken. Plays within her niche like Hoyan

[sweet echo]

She is a counter to Sr units kaz obol in pvp but still weaker than diting in pve, le skip

[austere spade]

Love the vid you sent 0 people saw the gigabyte

[grave forge]

devs: use count
gigachad arena players: gigabyte 🗿

[orchid olive]

People test her on dps and speed set and say she is bad against bb user and even non bb user but hey we will see if that might change if some player figure it out

[naive goblet]

[grave forge]

waiting for the CC switchup tmrw if nothing changes

[naive goblet]

Bro ill be honest, you cant even trust CCs in this game because they have 0 idea themselfs they just creat content for $

[orchid olive]

[grave forge]

here it comes

[still yew]

“Can the liliam is Op” screamers please stand up so I can shoot them

[sly plover]

This thread aged like milk

[grave forge]

too bad op got banned

[still yew]

Did Mr @waliant get banned

[naive goblet]

The only ccs i know so far that are not full of shit are seishizo volkin zox and seanb tbh

[grave forge]

ye, he was fighting with staff earlier

[still yew]

Lmfao

[grave forge]

I know these fellas

Uncle Bread's growing fast too

lol I just realised you're adeptmain. I watch you on twitch

[sly plover]

the only adept i know is a beached whale

[orchid olive]

Absolutely nothing against bread cool guy ngl but even he said she is overtuned and now he say he is losing all fights with her (love ya bread)

[wispy kayak]

mc laren

[still yew]

@forest hinge when u gonna defend the accusations that liliam is op

[grave forge]

the numbers had the best of us fooled. It's Liliover

[orchid olive]

Yeah ngl her kit on paper looks really good but seems like its not in reality

[sly plover]

she's op, but this time it stands for obviously poop

[soft bramble]

thread ages like milk

[cunning carbon]

why op got banned btw?

[orchid olive]

He fought against staff and chris in general

Chris had enough and banned him it seems like

[cunning carbon]

oh man i missed it ofc

[orchid olive]

I only heard from other aswell

[fringe horizon]

sad man

really wanted to see his reaction

to lilliams current state

[cunning carbon]

i mean we all knew it was a silver take

[fringe horizon]

but he was so confident

it was hilarious to watch

[cunning carbon]

They always are confident.

[austere spade]

People expecting her to be pvp Diting is bronzie take

[still yew]

Rest in piss

[solemn quiver]

Every take I saw from him was an L

[junior field]

this is peak etheria drama

[cunning carbon]

i wanna know the reason why he got banned. Like the topic he was talking about XD

[grave forge]

mod wanted more waifus

he got mad and called them unprofessional

buncha yapping ensues

[cunning carbon]

damn we lost him for that silly shit

[grave forge]

[junior field]

[forest hinge]

it's still sus

[indigo oak]

U can find him

In game

If ur on global

[forest hinge]

need to wait for more testing

but I'll be happy to be wrong about her being broken

[junior field]

liliam is def good, but she's not as universal as people thought

[indigo oak]

Imagine the newbies who pulled her for pve

[junior field]

ngl i was shocked when i saw her dmg in rengo 💀

[indigo oak]

Yeah

[indigo oak]

Even yeli needs bb there lmao

[orchid olive]

All i could find

[grave forge]

Solmi the homie coming in clutch

[indigo oak]

And italian

Always come in clutch

Now send some ravioli

[grave forge]

idk why he thought c would take his side after berating his coworker over something so minor

[orchid olive]

🍝

[grave forge]

probs would be here getting roasted if he didn't ping him

[cunning carbon]

i mean he dodged a bullet tbh

it was fate

[violet gull]

Inb4 emergency patch like they did with Yeli

Then after banner another emergency patch

[grave forge]

dodged the whole armory

[orchid olive]

Chris only banned cause he knew whats gonna happen

[torpid blade]

massive L from chris, should have let us clown on the dude for a day or 2 first

[lyric geode]

Shes clearly a pvp unit though

Whos pulling her for rengo lol

[junior field]

wot, who said she's for rengo

universal in the sense that it counters cc and bruiser and can be used in all comps

[lyric geode]

You know people gonna try using her in pve

[junior field]

i mean on paper she sounded like diting

so cant rlly fault ppl for trying in pve

[orchid olive]

[junior tangle]

Btw you can find the guy on reddit if you want

[fringe horizon]

[junior tangle]

Just saying

[naive goblet]

Yeah thats me haha thanks for the support

[plush oriole]

is liliam bugged or what

[low tulip]

Wait what OP got banned?

[orchid olive]

Yes

[indigo oak]

@fringe horizon

[fringe horizon]

what is this ?

[indigo oak]

There reply

Lilliam is released go have fun

Make guide on lilliam

To win prizes

[fringe horizon]

OH

[low tulip]

Ppl asking for reset now that they pulled and invested into liliam

Idk just perm ban them from making financial decision atp

[naive goblet]

Wait i thought liliam is broken overtuned and will powercreep the game

[solemn quiver]

Why do people find it so hard to just wait a bit till other people test instead of spending their finite resources immediatly

[cunning carbon]

tbh running count with immune on other dps is better ....

in any comp other than vs cc

[torpid blade]

imagine pulling a banner day 1 couldnt be me

[fringe horizon]

i mean bullwark is still good on her

to avoid atk down and other debuffs

i will still go for bullwark on her

[cunning carbon]

XD

i rather log in a other dps than if its not vs a pure cc comp

[heady jasper]

well the streak of wrong predictions from CCs and the community when it comes to released units continues strong

[cunning carbon]

i was right btw clap on my shoulder

good 3rd 5th pick

thats it

[warm thicket]

Guess this thread aged well

[cunning carbon]

Hoyan 2.0

[heady jasper]

she is a good counter pick much like Hoyan, I don't know what kind of damage was people expecting from her

[narrow zenith]

it's okay she'll be broken next season

[indigo oak]

Hell kid or lilliam

[narrow zenith]

we just have to wait

[indigo oak]

As last pick

[narrow zenith]

oh waiter more waiting please

[cunning carbon]

how is holden btw

he oneshot ppl with counter?

[narrow zenith]

top tier

[cunning carbon]

i wont touch rta for at least 1 week

[indigo oak]

He is decent

Actually

After buff

He is broken

Previous was decent

Now he has very even ground

[indigo oak]

He can one shot a 14 k hp squishy with one S2 if max duped

[cunning carbon]

who doesnt like tanky bruiser that can deal same dps as pure dps unit

[hardy moon]

and reduces turn meter and increases cooldowns and dispels and puts atk and res down

[fringe horizon]

ive seen her 1 shot yeli with 1 s2

[cunning carbon]

niche unit

[fringe horizon]

[hardy moon]

i think we can all agree that a character who can do all that really needed a buff in this current meta

fr

[naive goblet]

Hard pity but whatever

[mellow haven]

liliam is so bad guys, already max her, cant even burst out bruiser team

[indigo oak]

Even one taps my massiah

[naive goblet]

Ofc you cant what do you mean

[indigo oak]

Time to invest 12 lattice on her go

[naive goblet]

Nah s3 is enough for my purpose

[cunning carbon]

ust do 3 into s3 and call it a day

[indigo oak]

Yo I saw a strat of makoto holden double dispel and cc enemy does this work

It was like

[cunning carbon]

wouldnt call that a strat its just strong

[indigo oak]

Yeah

[cunning carbon]

tanky + dps what else you want

also can win vs cc btw if you miss cc 1-2 times the counter dmg can kill you

in long fights

[fringe horizon]

its good

i really slept on mizuki

i think she is 2nd best bruiser after holden

like she feels better than tia and rahu

[cunning carbon]

crazy they buffed all 3

[hardy moon]

yeah Rahu kind of in an unfortunate place at the moment when Makoto can do most of what he can without SSR lattices

[indigo oak]

Should I build nilu or makoto

Guys

[cunning carbon]

i guess they want to sell a solution soon

[hardy moon]

in other words why would you spend scarce lattices on Rahu when you can up Makoto and then use the SSR lattices on other units

[zinc crescent]

Cause people will think the same as you

So you won't be able to play Makoto

[fringe horizon]

not to mention

holden violates him anyway

[low tulip]

Imagine having common sense

In 2025

[hardy moon]

at least the threads were really funny today, had a good laugh

especially the platinum player coming at bugfixes for no reason

[fringe horizon]

he offered to teach me the game

kind of him

[solemn quiver]

I'm sad I missed that 🤣

[fringe horizon]

gotch you fam

[fringe horizon]

#1400397399738024036 message

[torpid blade]

i could actually 1v1 you though

i peaked in iron 3 last season

[fringe horizon]

[torpid blade]

sorry

iron 1

iron 3 is out of my league

[hardy moon]

gated by Liam-Cook sadge

[solemn quiver]

🤣 🤣 🤣 Wow that guy is a clown

[urban cosmos]

"Liliam is massive powercreep" followed by the thread "Liliam is bugged she does no damage"

[solemn quiver]

Sums up this discord pretty well tbh

[bitter cedar]

It was the exact same thing with Yeli

People will cry always, under any circumstance, no matter the outcome

[rotund oxide]

https://youtu.be/uyZFMBxVbmE?si=hdMBsARSScbFCaPe

This video is too funny

[gaunt yarrow]

I renember that day even when prydwen founder was called out for the calculation

[indigo oak]

Whatever u say

He will believe prydwen

Just don't

[bitter cedar]

Exactly lmao. That thread is insane. Everyone claiming Yeli was terrible

[amber basin]

seiishizo is testing lilliam atm in RTA and she fcking s3 hit a Massiah with atk debuff to -20% hp lmao

[indigo oak]

That's massiah though

[amber basin]

i mean her damage is just 10~20% hp of massiah that is on cleave set lol

[orchid prism]

This post has aged like milk in the sun

[fringe horizon]

[jovial trellis]

let's ignore that he had 1.8k attack, on lighthouse and 1/1/1 build

[amber basin]

an s3 on a massiah by an LD char? come on

[jovial trellis]

any character would tickle with that build and attack debuff

[austere spade]

My guy if I built yeli wrong on 1/1/1 she'd be poop too

[amber basin]

its a single target dmg bro..

[austere spade]

Clown

[amber basin]

copium

[rotund oxide]

Guys there is another video she on YouTube still lacking people will agree she sucks

[final grotto]

I love how the OP left the discord in shame after making this clown of a post. This is why silvers should not make feedback posts on characters

[digital zephyr]

they apparently got banned, didnt leave

[indigo oak]

Left also

[final grotto]

Even better lmao

[queen wedge]

He got banned for freaking out on a mod who joked about being fine with it because Liliam is a girl in response to the powercreep complaints and then tried to post about it on "r slash gacha husbandos" and it got removed from there too lmao

[fringe horizon]

bruh

thats dumber than what i thought it would be

[barren plover]

Nothing worthwhile was lost

[pliant lagoon]

This is the first post that inflated everyones expectations on Liliam isnt it?

And OP's punishment for starting all this shit is to be free of the rengo inferno grind

Gacha gamers in general are so gullible

[rugged sluice]

this thread did not age well

[wooden minnow]

I know right LOL the amount of misinformation that was spread pre release is crazy.. lets hope they buff her by at least 25%

[sturdy linden]

She doesn’t need a damage buff tbh. She can one shot non-bloodbath users first turn if you run her with Swiftrush/Swiftraid. She just needs to be immune to all debuffs/cc tbh. Or give innate eff res.

[pliant lagoon]

Yea lets do that and make the point of this thread a reality

[grave forge]

buff her AND reset event

maintain the agenda

[pliant lagoon]

Wanting Liliam to be that gigachad carry is just cope over the real problems in the game right now

[grave forge]

I think a lot of folks impulse pulled for her after reading numbers

didn't wait for testing and now regretting

[narrow zenith]

I impulse pulled for yuzuha, shes just too peak

[grave forge]

Pulled for brat and did not regret it. My Jane's eating well

[grave forge]

https://tenor.com/view/youngboy-nba-youngboy-handshake-dap-up-dap-gif-24581678

[narrow zenith]

I wanted to skip alice but she just looks too fun

I guess what I was gonna spend on this game ill just put into zzz

[grave forge]

I have to resist. Idol girl was teased so you know they're coming soon

maybe on the rerun

[narrow zenith]

Next patch is seed and orphie

Maybe idols after?

[grave forge]

yay, more saving

[narrow zenith]

Yeah idk if im gonna pull them

[grave forge]

maybe but manato and the small rabbit are still unreleased

[narrow zenith]

Oh true

Supposedly next void hunter is 2.6

[grave forge]

[narrow zenith]

[grave forge]

alright wallet kun. You're gonna feel a little sting

we need to prepare

[narrow zenith]

Well I have one less game to spend on now

[grave forge]

etheria so humble. Letting us spend on other games

[narrow zenith]

Fr no powercreep letting me spend on games that do have it

I think this is the first game to have negative powercreep

[grave forge]

[narrow zenith]

We'll see how well that formula works for them

[grave forge]

they're gonna save the powercreep for a bit

and just fill out niche roles for drafting

[narrow zenith]

With how generous this game is with pulls i think powercreep is a good thing

It just needs to be handled with care

But theres literally nothing worth spending for

Aside from the character recolors

[grave forge]

no bikini skins to spend on

[narrow zenith]

The biggest fumble in the middle of summer

They quite literally had all summer to make some too

Surely it doesn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to make some

[narrow zenith]

Oh yeah I have Jane but alice has a swimsuit skin

[grave forge]

priorities

[narrow zenith]

You know I gotta swipe for that

[grave forge]

waiting on the Caesar swimsuit next year

[narrow zenith]

Burnice buff + swimsuit when

[grave forge]

🗣️

let em know

[naive goblet]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1401230469667881090 My post about why we need a reset event on every balance change.

[bleak saffron]

Dont be clown please🤡🤡🤡🤡

This buff is very good

[dark fractal]

goated thread came back to life

[forest hinge]

aged like fine wine

[rustic shore]

[bitter cedar]

Bro had vision

[torpid bough]

100% hp lock is balanced?

[queen wedge]

This is fucked lmao

[rustic shore]

[topaz turtle]

we dont have that many single hit animus that do a lot

we see diting in low ranks sometimes

[stark kiln]

He foresaw what was going to happen in the future and tried to warn us

[forest hinge]

we all called him crazy

[grave forge]

@mint spindle It's time to unban the prophet

[pliant lagoon]

Prophet Waliant come back

[queen wedge]

Waliant the Husbando Enjoyer, return...!

[rustic shore]

we banned our hero

[thick lily]

Waliant the martyr

[rustic shore]

smh

shouldve trusted

[shut warren]

Lets make this thread live again. Don't let liliam powercreep my yeli

[rustic shore]

time to collect evidence

once its updated

aboose your liliams

record

then post it with the no powercreep message the team posted previously!

nvm

imma grab popcorn watch show

post the no significant change mid season too

[forest hinge]

that's pretty much the entertainment left here

[rustic shore]

but yea the changes was way too wild. and seems like kinda sus

C was not notified!

theres some conspiracy there

---

for real though. couldve just boosted liliam's pve performance. and maybe slight boost on her dmg pvp wise or some of that hp lock utility, not both and in significant amount though, and wouldve been good.

now its such a significant boost 50% > 100% hp seal. breaking all promises, no more trust

teach me how to doompost

they have good CMs, proactive on making it better, and also understand how to reach a good balance for the game, but alot of behind the scene peeps kinda rotten

[gaunt yarrow]

And why this BUFF mades the balance lackluster?

[rustic shore]

but but

i thought thought was the doomposting purpose im still learning

mades mades mades

[winter lion]

hey, comeback it's happening

[shut warren]

Because she's gonna be in bruiser team with bb and LoS and she won't sudenly became cleave after the buff.

Buffing her only make bruiser stronger that gonna worsen the balance between bruiser and control

[stark kiln]

idk she can still be in cleave imo

[shut warren]

Yeah sure but you need heavy investment to make her work for cleave team, but you can do minimum to kill squishy control heroes

[topaz turtle]

codex lilm kinda of sounds spicy

[forest hinge]

nah just go law and bb

unkillable and can wreak things still

[clever mortar]

A dev queued to RTA and his match took 20 minutes after queueing for 5. He then said "Let's buff Lilliam"

[shut warren]

Why not buff my Messiah

[clever mortar]

Looks like underwhelming new units can be buff outside of mid season adjustment. As long as it's not nerfs, looks good to me. Probably not many people really pulled Lilliam, she is kinda rare tbh

[clever mortar]

Cause it's a dude /s

But also he has no banners right now

Most likely they'll buff LD and some RGB banners if not enough people pull a unit

[shut warren]

Oh yeah fair enough

[clever mortar]

Or it performs pretty bad

Most likely wait 2 weeks, see how it's reveived

Then buff if needed

[queen wedge]

Feel like I saw her everywhere already

And I'm just in gold rn

[shut warren]

I meet alot liliam in gold and diamond, I think the problem is the whale not pull her enough to make her 5/5. So they buff her to make her more appaeling for a whale

[rustic shore]

dem lilibeli users

extra option

[clever mortar]

Hmmm when I did Fearless I rarely saw her and those I saw were built badly

[rustic shore]

to chop bruiser

[queen wedge]

They're all built like a dog's fart

But they're out there

[clever mortar]

Bans exist so the impact won't be that big tbh and bruisers will steal her too xD

Still, more anti bruiser options now

[rustic shore]

waiting for more

chars

to have more variation

cant relate atm. gold enjoyer

[shut warren]

Next char is dark healer who stole enemy healing. I'll pay for that

[gloomy grail]

Yeah man, this sudden buff for liliam make me not trusting this devs anymore. This make me so sad. She was doing fine and now she is totally insane. Powercreep is real i think.

[rustic shore]

doomposting aside, lets see how it develop

[real ivy]

Need to boost sales of apex Tix packs pls understand

[elfin thorn]

It did in fact, age really well

[rugged sluice]

i guess i spoke too soon 😂

[elfin thorn]

Honestly idk how to feel lol

[forest hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1403261825436487731

[rugged sluice]

if she's cracked now, i guess diting can finally rest

[fringe horizon]

i said this guy was a clown

i was wrong

he was a prophet

[shut warren]

Please remove all the clown emote, do him some Justice

[cunning carbon]

who could have guessed that the devs bring out a balanced unit and 1 week later powercreep it

did that every happen in a game XD

[torpid blade]

never!

unclowning is a sign of weakness

[old quiver]

Well, in RTA that Liliam change will actually be bad for everyone since she will be a perma ban now lmao.

[harsh wyvern]

Who steal enemy Heroes!!!

[queen wedge]

I unclowned hours before you said this

[urban copper]

Omg, first people crying that liliam was bad and now other people crying (or even the same) that she is too strong... haters gonna hate...

[shut warren]

Nah you're wrong, our prophet said she was too stong even before she was released.

[queen wedge]

You should look up what "thought terminating cliches" are and see if you can still save your brain or if you're stuck never looking deeper than "haters gonna hate" forever

Do it while there's still time for you

✊ you got this

[indigo oak]

Remember some days ago this was some people fever dream

Now it's their nightmare

[queen wedge]

I told you there was fun to be had yet in this place !

[hexed shore]

Revert destroys max HP equal to 50%, and keep other Buffs, Balanced. Easy, Every1 Happy!

[gloomy shard]

I think the devs are trolling honestly, I mean I'm happy I rage maxed my Liliam day 1 but all of this never knowing if they will "balance" the game leaves you feeling really uncertain with any choice you make and they are trying literally everything to not give a reset for some dumb ass reason

[junior tinsel]

Reset event is an myth ngl,by the time we get one 75% of the playerbase will have quit bc they cba to grind an month to get an character 50% done

[gloomy shard]

Make sure to spam c about it 🙂

[junior tinsel]

Wouldnt matter anyway,people been asking for the reconfig event for ages, even agree to just make it permanent so ppl can experiment and actually have fun for once...like grinding shell dungeons for weeks on end for 1 usable shell every like 1000 (if even) is just bad and not being able to reset characters makes it worse

[gloomy grail]

Actually they should not give us reset event since beginning of the game, it was a mistake from them.

If there's no reset thing since beginning, peoples will not complain about it

[haughty axle]

I mean that only shows the resource scarcity in this game. If I choose the wrong SR unit that will put me weeks behind (considering that you could get around 4 purple lettuce a week), which is absurdly worst when it comes to SSR units

[gloomy grail]

Do you play the type of game like this? Summoners war and epic 7 didn't give us reset, if they do it there's some big nerf to that units (only give a reset to the nerfed unit).

IMO, this game is too Generous since start, they give us reset, a lot of crystals and summons.

Now people gonna take advantage of their Generousity to complain and whine for more

And it create toxic community

[plush oriole]

i agree,, I hope this won't be a "tribe9" situation all over again.

[dense kindle]

NERF her asap, why devs buff, she was totally fine for an counter cleave unit , now she just wipe everything

[queen wedge]

Oh hey I saw your silly ass making this same dumb argument on the reddit. SW didn't give us pity on summons either, should E7 remove it?

Oh wait that was some other guy who said the exact same thing

Well, bots are interchangeable

[gloomy grail]

Eh wdym? I meant this game is already Generous enough compared to other game i said. I just don't get it why people keep complaining

[queen wedge]

I mean if you feel that way that's fine but using what other games give as a reference makes no sense when they're some of the oldest and stingiest games in existence

Summoners War takes all 9 energy when you fail a run, should ER?

[gloomy grail]

Bruh i think you misunderstood, i just want people to stop complaining and whining. Let the devs do their thing to make the game enjoyable for all casual and try harder

[queen wedge]

That doesn't make your reasoning better

Also, the game doesn't improve without people pushing it to improve

[gloomy grail]

You know what up to you bro

Im tired of this shit

[indigo oak]

Last words of waliant adios

@forest hinge

[forest hinge]

[junior field]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-pour-40-oz-dead-gif-15861879889501337298

[hardy moon]

a martyr for the cause, rip

[rustic shore]

full of liliam