Liliam is a massive powercreep and will not be good for the game long-term

[midnight elm]

I really don't know what the developers are thinking releasing a unit this powerful with an overloaded kit this early in the game. I don't think it will be healthy for the game long-term. And it will make a problematic PVP meta even more of a problem. Please do something before next week... 🙏

[flat estuary]

I don't think she is even strong lol unless she can oneshot people through bloodbath I think she will only be good against control teams which are rare right now.

[wise solstice]

Already complaining and we haven't seen her stats yet. Chill

[midnight elm]

It would be too late once we see her stats...

[low tulip]

And thats why we have 2 bans

[real ivy]

We don't

[solemn quiver]

There’s a pre ban and a post ban

[real ivy]

And everyone start pvp in mythic ?

[still yew]

Units not even out yet lmfao

Chill out

[solemn quiver]

Pre ban starts in diamond …..

[midnight elm]

My point of making this post is so that they tune her down a bit before release. Once she is out, it is already too late..

[real ivy]

And what to do people that are on plat and lower ?

Just suffer of this abomination

[still yew]

We don’t even know the damage numbers and how she scales because the video didn’t show any of that

What if she’s already balanced

[tardy arrow]

why don't you pull it and enjoy it instead ?

[still yew]

Actual 2 braincell take

[real ivy]

And pvp will become who first pick her wins, what a great enjoyment

[low tulip]

You can still ban her

Bro cry another river idk

[real ivy]

Also she is Dark which means she is x3 times more expensive

[tardy arrow]

agree, people cry on every update 😄

[solemn quiver]

The irony of someone with takes like this calling other people clowns 🤣

[real ivy]

But then u open other cancer

[low tulip]

Same was said about Yeli

And where is Yeli now?

[real ivy]

In every game

Where else

[midnight elm]

If the developers are confident she is balanced, it is fine. But based on what I have seen on her kit so far, doesn't seem so. It is a genuine concern to raise up before it is too late.

[still yew]

What the fuck are you on about, we literally have no information on her. She could hit like a wet noodle and be useless, we know nothing yet

[gaunt yarrow]

The concept of her kit is overloadead already

[cobalt nymph]

Well spoken

[still yew]

The concept of Heinrich and lily and doki and every other LD unit is overloaded but they aren’t oppressive

Everyone thought mio would be broken on release and she isn’t

Actual bronze gamers

[gaunt yarrow]

XD

[buoyant phoenix]

asshu is a massive powercreep please ban

[solemn quiver]

It’s already too late lol

[gaunt yarrow]

Actual whale gamer

[tardy arrow]

what is the problem of an OP unit, if you have it, your life definitely gonna be easier right ?

[cunning carbon]

why cant ppl just wait?

[junior tangle]

oh god here we go again

freya 2.0

[rustic shore]

[junior tangle]

ogs remember 😄

[rustic shore]

[fringe horizon]

Doomposting is more fun it seems

[rustic shore]

watch me skill up bonkme instead of her

[junior tangle]

is it just me or does she give esdeath vibes

[solemn ledge]

Shes Single target, soooo just bring a sub dps or 2 dps

[rustic shore]

outfit :c

i wonder how that 'guaranteed' works

[lusty jolt]

One of the biggest problems of pvp rn is cc and she counters that. Turnmeter immunity was overkill tho.

[midnight elm]

Yeah, I would be fine if she is just immune to cc. But why the need to also be immune to turnmeter? And also goes through shield and reduces max hp?

How would you even counter her? People keep saying to just preban her but that's just a lazy answer. Every unit thus far at least have an answer...

[junior tangle]

probs just kill her

she seems squishy

[fringe horizon]

We don't have numbers yet

[junior tangle]

and we still dont know multipliers

[midnight elm]

So you just need a very fast dps that goes before her...

Nice

[fringe horizon]

What no

[junior tangle]

i doubt she hits as hard as hoyan

[fringe horizon]

You beat her the same way you beat Doki

[junior tangle]

since even hoyan doesnt hit that hard

[fringe horizon]

Also we don't have numbers yet

Just wait

[midnight elm]

Okay. We will see....

[low tulip]

they released a new character ld that has a strong passive

How dare they release a new character that probably gets one shotted by a bloodbath diting

[pulsar geode]

[knotty bramble]

This game's playerbase is by far the most crybaby one I've seen in ages lmao

[buoyant phoenix]

they should buff all the other characters to prevent balance creep so we can balance out the rng

and specifically buff sybil so that she does aoe and 35 hits

[heady jasper]

I will just say that the last time CCs expectations and the community in general were right about a character release was Holden and ever since launch (Freya included) I can't remember any other release prediction that has been rather accurate. People doesn't seem to learn so here we're discussing based on little to nothing

[pulsar geode]

I bet they are gonna lock this characters full potential behind lattices!!! THIS IS BULLSHIT /s

[soft gust]

Yeh! Let’s just not have any new units or only have units that suck! That way the game will excel and last very long time.

PVP is too hard, too many units that can CC, do damage, tank damage, we need to only have characters that has no skills apart from skill 1 which does 1-5 damage per hit. You just take turn in hitting each other until you or your opponent dies.

[reef plaza]

98% of this community

[green lichen]

@midnight elm This looks like a rant and not a feedback. Every game has always featured an OP unit and a meta pick for RTA. The positive aspect is that we have two bans available for high-level RTA. Additionally, this is a LnD unit, so it's expected to be powerful in RTA, and we still haven't seen its full kit.

[midnight elm]

All I see are people justifying her kit by saying it's not broken until we know the numbers, and even if she is broken, the solution is just to ban her. That’s not good game design if she has no counterplay and is outright overpowered. This sets a bad precedent and won’t be good for the game in the long run. But I guess if the community as a whole is fine with the powercreep, who am I to say otherwise?

[fringe horizon]

Doki is broken and the solution is to ban her

Or focus her and then kill her

[pulsar geode]

massiah is broken and the solution is kill him before he moves

why cant i use a suboptimal strategy to win against a unit! I dont wanna think in my pvp game

Let me blind pick the same 5 units everymatch forever!! /s

[midnight elm]

But you can push turn or cc Massiah but you can't do the same for Liliam...

[pulsar geode]

So push your own meter up and kill…

[midnight elm]

Like that is going to work..

[reef plaza]

[fringe horizon]

[midnight elm]

[gaunt yarrow]

[north mantle]

what is she powercreeping? I think she looks just decent and her kit is needed for the game. I dont see a problem with a single target dps thats an answer to cc and bruisers/tanks

[midnight elm]

Sure, for whales maybe but not the average player…

[merry rose]

People like calling new characters broken just because they are new, if she was there on release with other lds, i guarantee she would not be the one called broken

[midnight elm]

People still call lily a must pull. Wdym?

[merry rose]

That's not even my point what?

[gaunt yarrow]

Dont you think she does too many things at once? Her kits looks so overloadead for this stage of the game which sets up a bad precident pace

Even prydwen guy when yeli released said that she is really good because she is on par with other dpses, she is really comparable to messaiha

[cunning carbon]

Its hard to take you srs if you write stuff like "Like that is going to work"

like always i like to call skill issue

[midnight elm]

You said if Liliam is released during launch she won’t be called broken and pointed Lily as an example as a unit that is still broken

[fringe horizon]

We can say half the roster is broken by that logic

Linglou is busted

Doki best unit in the game too good

Yeli deals too much damage

Obol ignores eff res

[cunning carbon]

dont forget plenty of SR that are busted aswell

[fringe horizon]

Kazuyo is a war criminal

Holden is the goat bruiser

[midnight elm]

There are only two units that can push the team’s own turn meter without stealing from the opponent iirc. So what happens if the average player doesn’t have that unit? They can’t use Marvel or Mio and cc units are out of the question. What should the do next?

[merry rose]

What i meant is that she would not be called the most broken of the bunch tho..

Either way just kill her

[midnight elm]

Same thing. I don’t see the difference

[cunning carbon]

we haev plenty of units that can put your dps in the front

[fringe horizon]

If you can't use your brain to work around a single unit you shouldn't worry about RTA

Like Doki is technically an auto win in many matchups

[reef plaza]

r we still crying

[fringe horizon]

A lot of people can't push high elo due to not having doki

[cunning carbon]

Doki,lily,Tsuki,Beyontin,chiaki the echo, yang,Dorothy the wisher, cachi THE R Unit

you unskilld scrub

[midnight elm]

People always say this without telling me how to do it. What if the average player don’t have a certain unit?

[north mantle]

like this unit looks so easily cleavable i dont get whats the issue with playing against her

[fringe horizon]

Cause people outside of top 10-15 have very little game understanding and that's why there is constant whining

"nerf rev"

[midnight elm]

Lol. Some of these units aren’t even a turn pusher. Now you are just trolling…

[halcyon wharf]

Shes very cleavable and has a niche standard mu, rly just a great cc and hp scaling injury answer

[north mantle]

meanwhile I look at the top rta players and theres like no rev players but me 😭

[halcyon wharf]

This post is just flawed cause shes not “powercreeping” anything lmao

[fringe horizon]

Cause it's ass to play unless you are yeon

Oh wait

You are yeon

[torpid blade]

which one do you think isn't a turn pusher

[cunning carbon]

this dude is a troll

[midnight elm]

Who cares about the top 15? I am talking about the average player trying to get into the PVP

[cunning carbon]

how can you be so confident

[reef plaza]

they r too dumb to play pvp anyways

[halcyon wharf]

Why would this unit be bad for the average player?

Its not broken af and gives them answers?

[fringe horizon]

Like people asked for a cleanser

And we got an anti cc unit

[midnight elm]

Sure, insult the average players. Best way for the game to EOS soon.

[fringe horizon]

Isn't that what we wanted

[reef plaza]

average player cant even read, how can they play pvp

[halcyon wharf]

I hope the next cleanser is an rgb or a mia buff to allow cc cleanse or someshit

Thatll prob be for the better

[fringe horizon]

community asks for anti cc unit

Devs release anti cc unit

"Lilliam is too broken game is gonna eos stop her release"

[cunning carbon]

would be good if the new SR unit is the cleanser

[merry rose]

As many people said, there is plethora of characters that can push your units to the front so you can focus her down, if you're slow you'll just lose that's pretty much all, if you are expecting to win the fight brainlessly just by using same heroes always then don't play rta

[fringe horizon]

[north mantle]

i mean the top15 sets a good example of whats strong in rta and is knowledgeable about the game just get good

[reef plaza]

^

[midnight elm]

It would be fine if she is just anti cc. But she is so much more

[reef plaza]

[halcyon wharf]

No she rly is not on paper bro

[north mantle]

for the lower ranks is prob just a drafting diff

[fringe horizon]

For all we know she deals as much damage as fuqui

[halcyon wharf]

Anti cc + injury

[midnight elm]

But completely unrelatable to the average player experience…

[fringe horizon]

And she is an atk scaler

So not gonna be tanky to avoid cleave

[halcyon wharf]

Her matchup into general standard apart from tia isnt anything special, and amber also exists

[reef plaza]

[north mantle]

how so? I see the average player still trying to draft typical bruisers and cleavers trying to draft typical cleave stuff but ppl at the top does it better and cleaner

[torpid blade]

the average player doesn't know what they're talking about and they just try and follow the top players meta as much as they can

[reef plaza]

waliant is the average player

[north mantle]

whats the new char going to do?

[worn sand]

@midnight elmturn meter push

[reef plaza]

he cant read

[cunning carbon]

dont bully him to much we need those guys or the game EOS

[north mantle]

the new char isnt going to stop cleavers cleaving or turn 2 players playing turn 2 people will just adapt

[halcyon wharf]

Posts like this just shouldnt exist

Its 2 corny

[merry rose]

can still use mio too and steal from rest of her team..

[midnight elm]

Nah, let the game EOS.

Lol

[reef plaza]

bro will pull her day 1 and delete the post

[worn sand]

yeah but that's " steal "

[reef plaza]

[fringe horizon]

Would be hilarious

[midnight elm]

You think average players watch how top players play? 🤡

[fringe horizon]

Then 10 days later "buff lilliam"

[torpid blade]

no i don't - i think they try too and don't understand what's going on so they shout rev op bloodbath op liliam op

[midnight elm]

I never said I wont pull her

[cunning carbon]

idk whats going on but this community from day 1 is a shambles. Everyone out for the drama on every fucking topic.

[midnight elm]

Most casual players dont even know how top players play 🤡

[merry rose]

If you're a casual player why are you crying about a character so much bruh.

[fringe horizon]

Casual players likely can't tell whether a unit is good or not in the first place

So many people were saying in this discord that

Nahor was gonna break the game

50% cc single hit with lattice investment

[midnight elm]

Because I want the game to suceed. I dont want the game to be a niche game where only a few dedicated players play

[fringe horizon]

[cunning carbon]

this genre is niche

[reef plaza]

this life is niche

[junior tangle]

it literally all hoyochills

[merry rose]

Or you just wanna use your team consisting of kazuyo obol etc in every game and not have to think about drafting something that works good against her

[worn sand]

@midnight elmJust relax, this community will tear them apart the moment it turns out to be broken. Right now, it’s all pure speculation. I get why you're worried, but we really have to wait and see. Maybe it’s just 1 turn of immunity? We know nothing yet

[cunning carbon]

lol if shes broken you know what happens?

other broken shit get drafted instead

opens up other units that got banned

[midnight elm]

Yeah, I am done arguing. It is a pointless conversation. Lets just wait for the kit to be released 👍

[junior field]

as the game progresses, units with equivalent power levels to liliam will be released and by then if everyone is op, then no one is op logic will play out. Let it ride abit, there's still tons of counters to her like super fast t1s, well built hybrid bruisers, hybrid ccs, even celince if liliam is made to only resist control debuffs

trust the game devs alittle bit, they designed rev and alot of people were upset not realising it is a balance to bruisers. and the match up balance of cc, cleave and bruisers or hybrids will always find some equilibrium

[cunning carbon]

Even if you tell them its balanced it doesnt work

they lose vs cleave at silver rank and come here opena thread to complain

[junior field]

[cunning carbon]

i cant wait for the patchnotes and the reaction

if they see rev not nerfd

[junior field]

also jin help support the perma frame thread 😉

[cobalt nymph]

Being objective, is Liliam more broken than lily in the end of the day ? I really don’t think so, there are lot of things, will be op but there is still lily in the game atm

[junior field]

yea and everyone has access to most units coming out now with the amount of pulls they give, ofcourse sometimes ppl may be unlucky and not get it but that's literally gacha formula

[sand gull]

doesnt celince counter her whole kit

[rustic shore]

depends. whether its counted as cc or not

cuz on doki its counted as cc

forgetfulness

[sand gull]

would be nuts if forgetfullnes cant be applied on her

[rustic shore]

[junior field]

it should

pretty sure the game seperates debuffs like dots, atk down, def down from control debuffs like freeze, stun, sleep

[junior field]

doki back up removes all types of debuffs

[rustic shore]

dokidoki -

stage

[junior field]

ahh

[queen wedge]

Silence and Forgetfulness are considered cc debuffs along with Taunt

[rustic shore]

taunt silence forgetfullness

[queen wedge]

By other mechanics

[rustic shore]

all counted as cc there

[junior field]

oh rip to celince then

[rustic shore]

need to test ltr

[sand gull]

well they could change it with the balance patch

[rustic shore]

the wording sometimes

[sand gull]

what is considered cc

[rustic shore]

also anyone notice

[sand gull]

[rustic shore]

holden and mizuki counter not working on mio & kloss s3?

[still yew]

Imagine doing that in the first place without making a shit post

[queen wedge]

I'm still confused at him claiming only 2 units boost turn without steal

[fringe horizon]

That was my favorite part

[stuck void]

Was waiting for a clown thread like this hahahahaha

[clever mortar]

....we don't even have numbers and y'all are saying she power creeps?

[clever mortar]

Some people really do just want to complain rofl

That said... We've seen these devs. They'll somehow miss the mark and Lilliam will be overturned or undertuned

[stuck void]

Dude i HOPE she powercreeps finally something is happening in this game

[solemn quiver]

He even got given a list of more and said it wasn’t real 🤣

[stark kiln]

Op is wrong but this is a trash take to say only 15 players knows the game. Especially when you look at top players in actual pvp games are just one tricks who have no clue what to do outside of their one character

[queen wedge]

This is a drafting game where you can't get to that rank without knowing most characters though

[stark kiln]

And? So the other players that aren’t top 15 got there through sheer luck?

[stark kiln]

It’s not even a drafting game. You can have a perfect draft but if you don’t have the gear you can’t do anything

[queen wedge]

It's still a drafting game nonetheless

[fringe horizon]

most of the top 10 players dont have the best gear on the server

[queen wedge]

I didn't say that, just that it didn't really apply here

[fringe horizon]

there are several players outside of top 10 that have better gear

even in top 200 there are people with stronger accounts than me

who played more games

[stark kiln]

Ok so what’s the issue with what I said? He said only top 10-15 have knowledge

[fringe horizon]

i said outside of top 15 game understanding is very little

[junior tangle]

He said they have better knowledge

Hence they are top ranks

[fringe horizon]

i could have worded it better

[stark kiln]

He did not

[fringe horizon]

but i do think there are a lot of players even in top 50 that dont know how to draft

[junior tangle]

Pls dont single me out xD

I tried ok

[fringe horizon]

i mean i could be wrong

i am wrong in a lot too

but i know bunch of people who play more than me have better gear than me, have more characters than me

but are in top 100

instead of top 10

i think saying this isnt a drafting game one trick thing is wild

[north mantle]

how do u 1 trick in a game where u drafting

[fringe horizon]

i think a lot of people think you have the best gear in the game

meanwhile account cant farm rengo

[north mantle]

oh i def do not LOL

AHAHAHA

[clever mortar]

Tbf, part of it is that some just want to hit mythic and chill. But yes many people I fought on my way to mythic cannot draft or don't understand how units work. Had great gear though

[fringe horizon]

this true too

but some people play a lot

[fringe horizon]

was reading some comments

and seems like peope think

every one of your rev units are like 340+ speed

swimming in red speed rolls

[north mantle]

i wish

[clever mortar]

You mean yours aren't? Damn casual /s

[north mantle]

I would actually be unbeatable LMFAO

[junior tangle]

Ngl if you had 340+ units everyone

[north mantle]

340+ with max crit on all my units man that would be the dream

[junior tangle]

Even lh wouldn't do anything

[north mantle]

cant even reach to cut

[stark kiln]

I said actual PvP games. Such as mobas

[north mantle]

but I got plenty of answers to lighthouse anyway

[clever mortar]

No more cutting?! Brb

[north mantle]

i mean one tricks in other pvp games are also talented as well even if they dont know any other character

[fringe horizon]

5 amber draft meta ?

[stark kiln]

I never said they aren’t talented. I said they don’t have game knowledge

[north mantle]

like I wouldnt discredit them if they were top 10 one tricking

but thats completely fine

[stark kiln]

Like megifelix had 3 accounts in top 10 in eu. When he got to pro play his team was always 10th

[north mantle]

surprised I havent ran into one of these yet

[north mantle]

well pro vs soloq is completely different

[stark kiln]

It’s knowledge base

[north mantle]

its completely different set of knowledge base

[stark kiln]

Even the drafters for the team are diamond

[north mantle]

i mean you cant really control draft in soloq

[fringe horizon]

most eastern teams have coaches that are challengers

i heard about that thing in the west

but always thought it was a myth

T1 drafts themselves without a coach

[stark kiln]

Veigar is diamond so yeah it’s true in the west

[fringe horizon]

pretty much every lpl teams coach are challengers

[stark kiln]

C9 balls was diamond when he played pro

[fringe horizon]

might actually be one of the reasons why east is so ahead compared to the west in league

[north mantle]

no hes been chall before

1k lp im pretty sure

[stark kiln]

He said he was diamond in his match

[fringe horizon]

people like to sell stories

to gather a big fanbase

not sure how its in na

but here in lpl pros stop solo q and decay

some of them arent even challenger during worlds

i think bin's account decayed to gm

[stark kiln]

He was diamond when he got a penta in pro.

You can see it

He was criticized for not playing

[fringe horizon]

that doesnt necessarily mean he is a diamond player

[stark kiln]

He wasn’t a top 10-15 player is the point

[fringe horizon]

but NA

also dont think you can make a fair comparison with league and a 1v1 gacha game

a less skilled player who has more chemistry within a strong team

might be more valuable than a guy who is more skilled but cant play in that team

[worldly linden]

is NA and EU memes are common in china

in league

thats kinda funny if true

[gaunt yarrow]

And it is like that as you said the solo que expierience isn't directly correlated to team game and e-sport scene
Both scenes require different skills to succeed

Very good take

[worldly linden]

bugfix usually has good takes

the guy just never sugarcoats his words and puts them out there

which sound offensive sometimes

[worldly linden]

Not to mention league has a mechanical aspect of skill requirement as well as drafting/macro

turn based games dont have that mechanical skill ceiling

like you just press buttons

[gaunt yarrow]

Yh i totally agree

[worldly linden]

its all about draft and strategy

the coaches are probably top tier macro players but their mechanical skill keeps them low elo

[junior tangle]

This is more like chess

Than league

[worldly linden]

if everybody had fakers mechanics

[junior tangle]

You need to think steps ahead of enemy

[worldly linden]

it would be different

[gaunt yarrow]

Yh there are a lot of examples of coaches WHO make excelent drafts and strategis vs specific teams but are gold hardstucks

[worldly linden]

grandmother mechanics with faker brain

[junior tangle]

Those who cant play teaches

[stark kiln]

Yes but macro would be the knowledge I was referring to

[worldly linden]

solo q is all mechanics in my opinion

[gaunt yarrow]

Even faker as a player isnt entitlted due to his mechanics and often played some less skilled sleeping picks WHO were more focused and dependent on teamplay than his idividual play

Like galio

[worldly linden]

hence why we have some coaches that have excellent macro but are hardstuck

also even If its somehow a macro meta

If a player just doesnt want to play with the team it is again a mechanics check

we all had that 1 team mate

where he always split pushed

[gaunt yarrow]

Baus moment

[narrow zenith]

I want this kind of power creep on rgb units so everyone can actually get them

And element advantage would be more substantial and easier to make new characters that counter

[cobalt path]

Liliam gunna be mid

[clever mortar]

Unless they give her big PP numbers

[digital zephyr]

Why are we comparing this game to league LMAO

Where are the real e7 and SW players that can put the "casual" player basein their place and get called white knights

[stark kiln]

The discussion was not comparing league to this game. It was based on the take that only the top 15 in this game have knowledge about the game.

[digital zephyr]

Even if it is a hot take to the point of exaggeration, there's way more intricacies to high level league than this game atm

[stark kiln]

It’s not meant to be a 1:1 comparison. It’s meant to show that game knowledge isn’t correlated to leaderboard positioning

[digital zephyr]

If all top 100 were in qual and the top 10-15 had a significantly higher win % then yes I would agree with that take

[digital zephyr]

Agreed, but to the OP, it's just baseless and most off the community likes to run their mouth but people with at least some scrap of credential say something and they get blown off

[stark kiln]

Yeah, pretty much agree that she looks mid af

Unless they juice her stats

[digital zephyr]

She's balanced and is subject to getting cleaved like yeong said

Like op hasn't gotten fisted by obol kaz yet

Will they cry that this unit needs to be nerfed after experiencing that ?

[fringe horizon]

do we even know her stats and numbers yet

[stark kiln]

No they learned from hoyan

[fringe horizon]

what does that even mean

[stark kiln]

They showed hoyan had def ignore when she didn’t

[fringe horizon]

oh that

[digital zephyr]

fuck the numbers

if there isnt a doki2 banner, this the 2nd best thing we getting for another 3-4 weeks?

[pulsar geode]

[clever mortar]

Yup, will need to pierce through Bloodbaths to really be OP. Otherwise she becomes an anti-CC team unit which, while useful, is not necessarily OP

[rustic shore]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-juice-meme-orange-juice-drinking-memes-gif-19016312

[mental mango]

Just a question, her passive won’t trigger unless she uses her s1? If so, she’s not that useful

[reef plaza]

💀💀💀

[stark kiln]

?

[mental mango]

Via the clip, there are 3 skills and the passive is right after s1, so I assume you need to do s1 to trigger it?

[still yew]

A passive is a passive

It doesn’t require the use of skills

It just exists

[stark kiln]

Nah it’s like Heinrich’s passive

Or rilmocha

[thin thunder]

lets just wait until the character actually comes out

we haven't even seen the actual skill descriptions yet

it does seem pretty insane though

[clever mortar]

Yup, the numbers are super important on a char like this

And like, can she kill BB

[copper beacon]

Already doom posting is crazy. But please bring the powercreep. 😈😈 but honestly I doubt she is as busted as it sounds

[clever mortar]

Powercreep only matters... If she can kill Rengo consistently fast

[fervent geyser]

Well, we now have skill descriptions (no Skill mults).

[copper beacon]

Facts. Cause that dude needs to be nerfed

[copper beacon]

We always did from the video. What’s the numbers on the kit

[clever mortar]

More importantly how good is her costume

[copper beacon]

You know it’s a recolor

[clever mortar]

They can be good, like Tiamat..
And Tiamat... And like... Just Tiamat really

[copper beacon]

Nope a recolor is scummy as hell. To each its own

[low tulip]

Recolors are fine if done properly and only as a 1 time thing per unit, 11 bucks for em is a bit much tho

But if they release new costumes for the next skins then it'd be ight, they just dropped the ball and missed out on a lot of money by not releasing proper skins

Like wtf summer skins but no bikini or speedos

[clever mortar]

They'd be better if they weren't somehow uglier than base lmao. Also cheaper. But yeah ideally we get better costumes... Actually changed instead of recolors

[clever mortar]

Summer skins but recolor...

[low tulip]

They lost their original ai prompt for each character so now they cant gen new costumes

[lyric geode]

Selling recolor is just low effort

Says a lot about the company

[rustic shore]

[low tulip]

They are trying to reach perfection so they sold a recolor

[lyric geode]

You know what, they should sell like a recolor pack with 10 recolors inside

For 10 bucks

1 character

At least it isnt as low effort as what theyre doing now

[low tulip]

Oh no dont give them chroma pack ideas 😂

[clever mortar]

Actually

That's a good idea

Make a new thread lol

I would love an Icy theme Yeli

[low tulip]

New chroma skin packs €100 for 10 recolours and 1 lattice

[violet gull]

So Yeli Beli into Liliam Lily?

[narrow zenith]

cage rumble again

[austere mason]

Events already give you a lot of gems and LD pulls, even you're F2P, you can get every new LD

This won't be an issue if everyone have a OP unit

[kind meadow]

the unit is not even out yet, TF

[barren plover]

Yeah if u are smart with your pull u shouldn't have a problem getting every new unit, rng or ld

[buoyant phoenix]

yeah its so easy to get units

just pull better

easy

[stark kiln]

Bro is about to be put on the tier list

[rustic shore]

[queen wedge]

What the hell are you talking about every LD as F2P lmao

[sturdy linden]

If her S3 is multi hit you can literally run her as rev cleave, or -1 subdps for s2 guaranteed aoe stun, bramble bruiser with s1 lifesteal. Love the variety.

[brazen cloak]

omg reaz is right ! that is the very definition of balance out !

[sharp marlin]

Better should make a Lily banner

[red cosmos]

heard the same thing about mio after the beta

gold users giving opinions

[real ivy]

Dunno what's wrong with mio she is just single hit with not so high base chance also bulwark immunity exist

[midnight elm]

Kit and numbers is out, and I genuinely don’t know how people can still say she isn’t powercreep. But I suppose some people will still ask to wait until we test her first, as if the on paper her kit didn’t already say enough. I still stand by my statement that this kind of release isn’t great for the game’s long term health. But I guess it is already too late and some people will still white-knight the developers no matter what.... 🤷‍♂️

[violet gull]

My question is is that final DMG and additional DMG or multipicative

[hasty bloom]

busted

[raven atlas]

Playing a gacha game and complaining about power creep 😂

Almost as if that's how gacha games work

[junior field]

Bruisers are dominating and making 10min fights and the only answer rn being liliam looks all g to me. U can always ban her fam

[junior field]

It’s their step in making less revelations against bruisers but other ways to fight with bruisers. I think that’s a W

[queen wedge]

I don't get what or who exactly is being crept by her. Platinum players drafting Diting?

[stark kiln]

She is pretty fast

[misty rune]

if you build swiftrush+swiftraid on her i dont think she can kill bruiser anyway

[stark kiln]

She cannot 100% but you can build for stun bot of a single unit

[merry rose]

You're wasting your time trying to prove anything to this crybaby, he ignores good points anyway.

[stark kiln]

Idk I’m pretty sure she is still gonna be on a bloodbath build

[misty rune]

its kinda meh if enemy has bulwark/alicorn tho

[queen wedge]

@torpid blade don't do this to me

[torpid blade]

welcome to our order fellow knight

[barren plover]

That's great so her speed buff it's gonna be even more useful

I don't really understand why people are complaining, if there is one thing that we get a huge surplus of is pulls, the problem in this game its not to get the new shiny toy but actually build it

She is gonna be great for every account

[queen wedge]

We get a decent number of pulls but it's not enough to guarantee every LD unit for free like some people are saying. Which is fine. Whales need something to spend on

[stark kiln]

Someone with Rosa check if her follow up is procing rev

I’m too tired to test it

[misty rune]

i check on yeli she proc it

[proven palm]

it procs

[misty rune]

so probably for different bug

[proven palm]

rev still good on rosa

[misty rune]

really? pretty much now my total L/D pull is almost pity from regular banner and almost pity to on yeli and now i can pity another L/D again.

and this is after i spend some gem for stamina reset on last time x2 event + buying key for dreamscape and focus more on lattice

pretty sure if you just focus on getting more gems you can save or even get more than enough pull to pity those

[raven atlas]

It's enough to guarantee

if you do every content

[stark kiln]

Yeah I didn’t see the white numbers cause yeli already killed the enemy Lily

[stark kiln]

Almost*

[queen wedge]

Gem summons are a huge meme. You don't refresh stamina in general?

[stark kiln]

Still need to spend like 3-6k gems

[raven atlas]

I mean yeah that's the point of having gems

Of course you'll be using them to pull

[queen wedge]

Have you ever played a gear farming gacha?

[raven atlas]

Have you ever heard about planning out so you don't use all your gems on stamina?

Like don't be dumb

jesus

[queen wedge]

Did you get hit in the head or something, usually you aren't this bad

[raven atlas]

Sometimes I wonder if you ever use your brain before you type

[queen wedge]

This isn't Genshin Star Zero

[raven atlas]

If you even have one

[misty rune]

Only on 2x...tho usually i use 60 gem each day,tahts it

[raven atlas]

He's not smart enough to think of that

Unfortunately

[queen wedge]

Be honest, are you an alien

[misty rune]

Sometimes i greed more then use 100-300 after that but usually only 60

[raven atlas]

Almost as if using your stamina wisely isn't a thing

[queen wedge]

Am I experiencing a carbon monoxide leak, what am I reading

[raven atlas]

Common sense that you don't have

😂

[queen wedge]

I'm trying to explain to you very plainly that your concept of common sense doesn't apply to this game format

You don't understand resource allocation in this style of gacha

[solemn quiver]

I’d still like to know who Liliam is power creeping exactly lol

Seems like a really good answer to some of the best comps in PvP atm. So shes filling a niche that was empty before

[raven atlas]

If you're max refreshing everyday then you complain you don't have enough for pulls that's on you 😂

[torpid blade]

i use the 60 gem refresh every day and i'll use some stam pots if i'm above 30 or so and have more free time to play

[raven atlas]

Just because it's a gear grinding gacha that doesn't mean you have to be full on refreshing every day 😂 That idea does not apply to everyone unless you just burn money

[solemn quiver]

I’ve been max refreshing since launch. Only buy the $5 pass and have 23k gems saved

[raven atlas]

Yeah the new event luckily gave a lot of gems

[queen wedge]

Similar situation although I got the first season pass and some of the better value packs and have a few k more

[queen wedge]

Show me where I complained, bud

[raven atlas]

I wasn't even talking about you in the first place

you just butted in

😂

[queen wedge]

You responded to me here, so no, that's not what happened

Why are you like this lmao

[raven atlas]

I did not even respond directly to you

Why do you think I was talking to you

Hello???

LMAO

[real ivy]

Forgot to mention didn't roll anything all Into stamina

[queen wedge]

you've always been a waste of time but now you're not even entertaining or apparently sapient. Eat the block 👋

[raven atlas]

Almost as if there wasn't another person 😂

You're just blind I guess

In the most literal sense

Almost as if there wasn't another persoooon

[torpid blade]

blocking is trash on discord

[raven atlas]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Man why do these complainers always have the smallest of brains

[queen wedge]

Just set a rule with yourself to never read blocked messages, works great

[torpid blade]

if i could set rules for myself do you think i'd be playing gachas

[queen wedge]

It's the only reason I play them, otherwise I'd be bankrupt

[rustic shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22405513

[raven atlas]

Blocking is for massive pussies ong

Wasn't even talking to him 😂 😂 😂

Actually hilarious

[solemn quiver]

Discord PvP the only option while RTA is still closed

[halcyon wharf]

Tbf e7 skystones are used almost purely for shop refreshing which is efficiently summoning

Its something that comes with time

rn spamming max refreshes is ideal since its much earlier and we get hella gems anyways

but realistically in the future it wont be like that

[queen wedge]

They've got that system where you refresh for whatever the hell it is and somehow it works out cheaper than buying the shit directly now right

[halcyon wharf]

yea

its rly good

[forest hinge]

Regardless of op is takes

[junior tangle]

yeah like not every player plays the same

look at that

diversity

[forest hinge]

This unit is busted af

[queen wedge]

Spamming refreshes will be optimal for the foreseeable future here without structural changes, however

[tawdry hill]

discord pvp is the most peak feature

[halcyon wharf]

Yea I agree, it will be for a while

[forest hinge]

She will probably be permanently banned from most players

[halcyon wharf]

can still easily max refresh and get discounted ml summons

[queen wedge]

There may be a lull as people hit near-asymptotic gear rolls but that will take a very long time, and by then they'll start introducing secondary gear modification dungeons to further optimize

[halcyon wharf]

But wouldnt be surprised if months/year down the line most ppl just dont max refresh as often, and prob just hold for pre stacking on buffs/pots

[queen wedge]

At which point refreshing will continue to be optimal for a long while again

[queen wedge]

I think that's way too optimistic in terms of expectations for gear progress

[halcyon wharf]

Gear in this game doesnt rly feel that hard to get tbh

Ranges are so small

Only extra factor compared to other games is the 2/3 matrix bs

[violet gull]

?

[misty rune]

I mean you saying that we dont have enough gem to pity everybanner....which kinda not really true

Its like you use gem to directly buy pull instead just refreshing shop

[violet gull]

Gear not hard to get

[halcyon wharf]

No its rly not, when I say that I mean optimal gear

[queen wedge]

I never said gems, I said pulls

[halcyon wharf]

its way harder to brick gear

compared to e7

you can brick perfect starting gear very easily lmao

[queen wedge]

Gems aren't for pulls unless you don't care to play the conventionally accepted best way

[misty rune]

Gem can be use for pull....so its weird enough you seperate it

[queen wedge]

No, it's not

[halcyon wharf]

if anything min maxxing shells is the much harder factor

[queen wedge]

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this

[halcyon wharf]

as of now anyways

[rustic shore]

team gem for pull vs team gem for refresh

[raven atlas]

This guy is just straight up stupid

[queen wedge]

Team hybrid (pity in emergencies)

[rustic shore]

[raven atlas]

It's like saying you can't use water for cooking and only for drinking

[rustic shore]

team all in l/d dupe, no get, all in gem and reach pity whr

[queen wedge]

I'll add that gems are for also for pulls if you're a whale

Forgot that part

[torpid blade]

i dont want to agree with him but using currency for stamina is generally the best way to play gear grinding games

[rustic shore]

i use gems for stability too

i get pulls from event and weekly

stuffs

it just buildup somehow

[forest hinge]

If ure not buying stamins with gems ure never gonna catch up

[rustic shore]

case where i need to spend gem on pull is when i either spam perma banner like mad, or going for dupes

[forest hinge]

Specially with how godawful the drops are in this game

[raven atlas]

Yeah but you can't get 80 pulls for every new L/D that way. You'd have to use gems unless you straight up just spend money,

[queen wedge]

I'm never gonna catch up anyway but I still want to be the best I can be with what I have

[tardy arrow]

I'm F2P and I have enough not just for Liliam but even for the next LD unit after her, if you need some advice for resource management, I'm happy to share

[rustic shore]

for l/d i do buy the weekly 5 l/d pulls, 1200 gems one

[halcyon wharf]

You just get a shit ton of gems tbh, sitting on like 23k with max refreshing every day and buying a majority of weekly ml packs

[queen wedge]

I also have enough for Liliam and the 2 RGB banners after her (nobody was talking about those), I can give you tips for how to widen your throat to take me deeper if you want, I know it's tough

[raven atlas]

Yeah but even that is not enough. If a new l/d is gonna arrive every month then you're gonna be needing to use gems to pull.

[rustic shore]

every 42 days i guess

will get 30 from thr. theres rta, event, etc.

will reach almost enough? maybe

dreamscape also alot

[raven atlas]

you can get near pity

but you'll never get 80

[torpid blade]

the idea is that after a certain point a good module drop or shell is gonna be more helpful than pulling 9 blues and a purple you have max duped

[rustic shore]

good enough

tons of gems for emergency

[raven atlas]

yep and that's when you use gems

[tardy arrow]

no wonder, seem like you don't lack the in-game resource, but real life education

[rustic shore]

thats fine imo

if its for ld. like last 10-20

[granite blade]

If you're f2p is absurd to think youl get every ld unit.. just pick the good ones and save pulls for the next good one

[halcyon wharf]

Honestly the more optimized your gear gets the more valuable dupes become in this game icl

Even just node 1 giving 5% bst is a lot

[queen wedge]

What's with you trivial mfs and always being both wrong and boring. At least Renzo is fun. Another block

[raven atlas]

It's possible if you don't full refresh everyday

[next pelican]

Powercreep?

[rustic shore]

personally although its possible to pull all l/d with some economy management. i might skip those that i dont rly need in my lineup.

lattice crying too :c

[queen wedge]

Easy to pity all LD if you skip lattices in the summon shop especially

[rustic shore]

for rta players might want more varieties. to counter and such

but since im not. i can be picky alil bit

[queen wedge]

But unit breadth will be achievable without getting every LD so I'd rather have skillups

[misty rune]

Well more unit > more option for pvp later anyway....but i will just be quiet since there will be ssr selector from summon point,will see that first before decide to skip any L/D unit

[queen wedge]

Apparently they deleted the patch notes and they're deleting things on discord about the selector

[tardy arrow]

lol, hard to understand why people keep make fun of themselve like that 🤡

[misty rune]

If anything lattice is real problem

[halcyon wharf]

Lattice backlog never clearing bro

Liliam aint helping my cause

[misty rune]

Just waste mats to 5* my lingluo for sharon inferno....turnout i just need cachi with codex

Need to wait again for my next 5* unit...i need it for rengo

[raven atlas]

Guy keeps rage baiting then blocks when he's proven to be wrong 😂 😂 😂

[thick lily]

dont worry guys the new ember trek secret stage will give you a chance to win 10 perfect lattice out of 100

[queen wedge]

Your Lingluo wasn't 5*?

[misty rune]

5* is the max right?

[raven atlas]

6

[rustic shore]

that extra stage kinda sus

[misty rune]

Lvl 50 on 5*...then yes just make it today....owh 6* then i mean

[tardy arrow]

it's fun you know, when you don't have to degenerate yourself to tease this kind of people 😄

[rustic shore]

better not astarte sitting on 42

[thick lily]

[rustic shore]

[misty rune]

Yea probably thats the secret stuff lol

[naive goblet]

Seems good to me and thats it so far

[forest hinge]

Good?

She solo 2 playstyles with no counter play

Only thing u can do is cleave her and that can be easily stopped

[queen wedge]

Just whack her

[naive goblet]

How does she 1v4 exactly?

[forest hinge]

OK u play cc How do u beat her?

Literally 1 v4 and she's the slowest

[queen wedge]

Why do you think you should be able to beat an anti cc unit as a pure cc drafter

[forest hinge]

Good so u agree that cc playstyle is dead

OK now as a bruiser player how do u beat her?

[queen wedge]

?

[rustic shore]

[naive goblet]

I am confused what your point is

[jovial trellis]

if you play CC pick her first or ban her

[misty rune]

Why you think to try play a cc team vs a unit that immune to cc?

[rustic shore]

wanna find fwiends

[naive goblet]

Homy is trolling no?

[misty rune]

What is this logic

[rustic shore]

its ok

https://tenor.com/view/bunnyfish-bunny-fish-rabbit-rabbitfish-gif-8932637261300942309

[forest hinge]

U guys think perma immunity is OK?

[next pelican]

Yeah?

The community is ok with it and im fine with it

[naive goblet]

Its her gimmick

[queen wedge]

You also have 2ish chances to ban her if you're a cc player

Or to steal her if the opponent wants to protect her

[forest hinge]

Just wait

[next pelican]

Wait for what?

[naive goblet]

Cant be pushed back and cant be CCd, so good against CC.

[next pelican]

a meteor?

[forest hinge]

We have 3 playstyles currently

[misty rune]

No with your statement i feel like

You are allowing your enemy pick their lily and her cleaver

While you intentionally pick 5 dps unit that has no speed

[queen wedge]

She can be attack and def broken

[forest hinge]

She kills 2 of them with 0 counter play

[naive goblet]

?

[jovial trellis]

It's like complaining that Heinrich counters Tiamat, yeah that's the point

[queen wedge]

She can be buff blocked

[queen wedge]

She can be wounded

[next pelican]

Just ban Liliam

[naive goblet]

Isnt Rock paper scissor balancing pretty standard

[forest hinge]

U can cleanse

[misty rune]

No this guy pretty much say i want to win against scissor with paper

[forest hinge]

Anyway u guys just wait and see it action

[naive goblet]

Ohhh ok now i understand ty

I thought homy was trolling

[forest hinge]

The guy who can't clear infernon is talking

[naive goblet]

But he is a donut instead

[next pelican]

Liliam has a very high likely chance that shes gonna get nerfed.

[simple hornet]

they didn’t nerf blood bath and with them stating no nerfs till rta season ends

it will be broken or buffed

char will run rampant

[midnight elm]

Don’t argue with these clowns. You can’t win. They have invested too much into the game that they can’t afford for the game to fail. They think the only way for the game to survive is to defend the game at all cost. Sunken cost fallacy or something like that…

[naive goblet]

Ill be honest they are clearly not balancing the game around high elo, so i dont see liliam being even good in low elo

[queen wedge]

I was literally S rank on the actual doomer tier list

[naive goblet]

People will still just get cleaved from massiah and yeli

[misty rune]

Why low elo use liliam anyway.....its all cleave speed

[naive goblet]

And probably rev also tbh

[misty rune]

Exactly lol

[next pelican]

Exactly

[forest hinge]

It's simpe if ure a cc player or a bruiser player which is a big portion if rta players how do u beat her

Just check her kit again

It's auto loss

If u don't ban

[naive goblet]

I dont even understand how she counters bruiser

Wont holden just fuck her up anyways

[queen wedge]

She doesn't even have anti-revive

[forest hinge]

She reduce max hp by a massive portion

[simple hornet]

also it won’t be an auto loss

it’s a 1 unit kill

[forest hinge]

And it goes through shield and everything

[soft bramble]

let me guess, she'll be op and devs will use this as an excuse to make drelzhar dogshit

[simple hornet]

people will just play alicorns

on sanias

not get ccd

rez

[naive goblet]

Yeah seems like a good ability against tia and hp scaling units, but she still gets clapped by holden

[forest hinge]

It's a yellow debuff

[simple hornet]

and people who outgear will still win

[forest hinge]

No

[misty rune]

Just put amber on holden guy....max hp reduction can be cleanse with that or bring reviver

[simple hornet]

if it dies the debuff won’t stay on the unit post death

[misty rune]

Anyway its stupid to talking about play style i dont even have

[simple hornet]

it’s going to be strong

but it’s not uncounterable

and u can’t put a unit like that in ai def

because u will get farmed by garbage

char is just hoyan clone for tank killing

will win niche spots if not banned

just harder to deal with mid rta game because of cc immune passive

[naive goblet]

Shes literally worse than yeli and massiah in low elo so who cares

[simple hornet]

nobody cares about low elo it’s filled with bots anyway

LMFAO

balance the game for people playing vs ai

[naive goblet]

But shes very fast tbh

125 is nice

[simple hornet]

wtf really

ok

maybe if she can raw kill with codex

on any unit

game is over

[gaunt yarrow]

What counters her in your opinion?

[naive goblet]

Finaly

[simple hornet]

if celince passive turn off works

valerian

i can’t theory craft top of head

amber

as a shell

[gaunt yarrow]

Oh you are actually right

[simple hornet]

high def no hp

like making a specific bruiser set

to make sure u don’t die

alicorns on sania

[gaunt yarrow]

The 2 others solutions i dont agree

But the 1st was good suggestion

[simple hornet]

oh

u know what hard counters

that is already being used in high elo rta

veronica

[gaunt yarrow]

Yeah

[simple hornet]

if veronika shield isn’t dispelled

it’s gg

there’s niche picks out there

people will just make them

put them in the protect spot

let enemy play lilliam

and their bruiser playstyle w/r will be slightly down like how rev feels like right now

[junior field]

speed cleave.

[thick lily]

law of silence

[solemn quiver]

I’m gonna run her on this with Bloodbath

[bitter cedar]

Perfectly put

You 100% can get all RGB and LD coming out, F2P

In most cases, without even spending too many gems

Just buy the weekly LD packs

I have a spreadsheet with all monthly income of crystals/pulls/lattice, maybe I'll share that some day

Cause people are honestly beyond logic with these arguments

I was thinking of running the same btw, sucks that Law doesn't run Swiftraid though

[queen wedge]

[solemn quiver]

There was a guy raging in another thread saying they give "fuck all" lattices.

Then in his next sentence he said he got 19 this month.

Make it make sense

[queen wedge]

I think any amount under like 3 dozen is going to feel like fuck all to a lot of people because most chatters in the feedback threads probably have like 25/30 SSRs staring at them every time they open the list

[bitter cedar]

LMAO the truth is that Jack was right: they give plenty lattices, the problem is that the game is WAY too generous with pulling units, so it feels insufficient

[split dirge]

yeah lattice income isn’t really a problem

[junior tangle]

but 90% of playerbase dont realize it

[split dirge]

they shouldn’t have released the game with 25+ ssrs though

or at least increased the intial first time rewards

[junior tangle]

i mean

you dont have to build all the 25 units

on 2 months

[raven atlas]

More like they don't want to accept it

[split dirge]

but people don’t care

[raven atlas]

Cause they just want everything right away

[junior tangle]

thats the 2025 mentality

fr

[bitter cedar]

Honestly, I am even changing my mind on Rengo... Two months in and most people are clearing it just fine

[split dirge]

with 5 min runs?

I don’t think that’s going to be sustainable for most players

[queen wedge]

The word most is stretching like goatse in that statement

[split dirge]

casual don’t even complete dailies

even semi comp people probably don’t log in 10 times a day

[solemn quiver]

It would be most if people adapted their comps to the slow clear but people don’t want to do that so they stay stuck

[bitter cedar]

I mean, if you have either Lily or Kloss it should be pretty doable. If you have neither, then it must suck. And I think the 2 cookie cutter teams aren't even that slow, are they?

[queen wedge]

I don't think most people could even pass the gear check to achieve the slow clear

[indigo oak]

Truth

We don't max refresh

So we don't have to

[bitter cedar]

Diting/Vice/Lingluo/Kloss and Yeli/Lily/Sania/Viper are both fast and reliable I think

[solemn quiver]

I use Tiamat, Holden, G Sania and Vice. 5/ 6 min clear but 100% win rate

[bitter cedar]

That's neat, I will give that a shot once I invest into bruisers as well

I don't mind the clear time tbh

[solemn quiver]

It’d be nice if they gave us more auto clear attempts but I just click a couple buttons once an hour so the time doesn’t bother me lol

[indigo oak]

I think it's currently only problem for max refreshers

Others who don't are chill

[digital zephyr]

There is no gear check for rengo

It's just build 3-4 ambers

[forest hinge]

there is actually

bloodbath viper and full hp stack green sania

with another blood bath supp like doki or lily

pretty stable runs

[plush oriole]

how many chat channels do y'all have on the global server?

[solemn quiver]

7

[carmine echo]

are we rly down to 7 damn

it was 9-10 on weekend

[digital zephyr]

Been waiting for eff res formula since beta

[willow talon]

Idk who is responsible for balance but they should remind themselves how rest of units look like because her base statline is superior pretty much to every other dps in all aspects
HP-> 1k higher than the rest
DEF-> 150 higher than the rest
ATK-> in some cases 50atk more, in other up to even 250 atk more
Speed-> 5-10 more than the rest

Just what even transpired

[digital zephyr]

People don't ask because they are complaining about other trivial matters

[orchid mural]

i was going to write this to other thread xd sorry

[clever mortar]

Yeah she is strong. I expeceted higher than 500% but that was made up for by 50% multiplier on targets with high HP. The HP lock of 50% of her damage is huge too. Interestingly, she may be a good check against bruisers

Us speeders have hope?!

[clever mortar]

Hoyan wishes she had these stats. That said, she's an LD unit so kinda expected better stats especially since she's ST

[carmine echo]

shes kinda got better stats than the other LDs too

[narrow zenith]

Does she replace diting in pve

[blissful shell]

no

[queen wedge]

Maybe somewhere with that self buff idk I can't do math

[torpid blade]

i'm kinda more excited to get the SR

skill issue?

[queen wedge]

I have Tsuki so I'm ambivalent. Doesn't everyone have Tsuki, Freya, or Lily already?

[torpid blade]

i have all 3

but i want more

[queen wedge]

Wish she was a def breaker

[clever mortar]

We'll see. S3 => S3 => S2 is big damage tbh

[willow talon]

And i don't, effects can be special, more PvP focused, her kit exemplifies it well
But stats should be spreaded evenly through elements and roles instead of some units having better stats, especially if these units are more exclusive

It seems like they just come up with these numbers on a whim
I saw the difference in some units before but here we have the perfect example of what happens when you just guess the statline

The new unit has best stats in the game, being faster, bulkier and deadlier than pre existing units
The roster is small, suddenly we have favoritism towards new units. If this keeps on going on our currently built roster will ultimately end up out of use within the first half a year post launch

[clever mortar]

Tbf, she is ST. We are comparing her to Massiah, Yeli or even Hein but those are AoE units. This is the first L/D DPS ST SSR

Now if the next AoE DPS unit has stats like this, then we may have to worry about stat inflation.

[bitter cedar]

Looking at ATK for a dps in a vacuum is completely meaningless. You need to factor in multipliers. She's not even higher atk than Massiah anyway. Having more SPD and defensive stats is completely reasonable given that she is more utility oriented as opposed to being a cleave nuke like the others.

You guys will have plenty of time to cry when and if she turns out to be OP inside the actual game. Crying now based on unmathed math is just complete nonsense

[elfin thorn]

its also the very first one tho

like yeli was pretty balanced

all the RGBs have been balanced

like if liliam's stats were ass

yea she'd still be good

but whether its even really worth building is another story

[warm thicket]

Only comparison i see is hoyan since both single target

[willow talon]

Im comparing her to already existing single target damage dealers, and she is obviously better than them
Unless you want Etheria to become a p2w game through and through ( even tho it already is creeping towards that ) then ye, keep telling yourself that LD units should have better stats just remember that the game is still in crawling state, Inferno mode already alienated a large portion of players

[narrow zenith]

Imo this should've been on rgb not ld

[willow talon]

Or simply balanced out to fit the current stat spread instead of inflating her numbers

[narrow zenith]

Idk im actually excited to pull for this character

[elfin thorn]

same

[tardy valley]

i hope that i can max dupe nell while pulling for liliam.

[narrow zenith]

Game is dull with nothing new but characters and they make them just subpar so theres nothing to be excited about

[warm thicket]

Kindda tough compared cuz hoyan does get extra 100% dmg increase lower hp

[elfin thorn]

yea

like hot take

i think broken units need to be released OCCASSIONALLY

like out of 3-5 unit releases

one should be signficantly better than the rest

[narrow zenith]

Im just waiting for czn at this point about 2 months in no new story no new bosses no new shells modules, the new characters are meh

[elfin thorn]

thats part of what makes gacha games exciting

[narrow zenith]

Like what is there to stick around for?

[elfin thorn]

funny how we forgot this is a pvp gacha game

[narrow zenith]

Oh boy I can't wait to hop on and do my daily 5 ai arena tickets where everyone is running turn 2 so I have to manually play my cc or turn 2 comp for 5 minutes per ticket

Idk some of you people are out of touch with the average player ig

Also my reasoning for why I want her to br rgb and not LD is so that elemental strength can counter her

What can counter LD

[junior field]

isnt that what etheria is doing now 😂

[warm thicket]

Loll

[willow talon]

So you get more damage but no utility as she is a sitting duck waiting to be hit, seems fair to me, the unfair part is the fact Liliam has more stats than everything else released before

[elfin thorn]

well yea, and thats why im not complaining lol

[junior field]

ngl i lost track who is complaining

[elfin thorn]

im excited for the liliam banner

oh

idk

[narrow zenith]

First banner I've been excited for tbh

[elfin thorn]

maybe the person who named their thread "liliam is a massive powercreep and will not be good for the game blah balh blah"

we complain game is too ahrd

then complain that new characters that are better are too good

to help us make the hard content easy

[junior field]

op dont realise she is a new archetype and one ban dismisses her entire existence and race in pvp

[elfin thorn]

make it make sense

[warm thicket]

[elfin thorn]

ok wait no

thats irrelevant

lol

if anything it adds to their justification

in that not only is it a new archetype

she ALSO has inflated stats

which is true

her stats are kinda inflated

but like

seems like they'll buff underpowered units anyways

[junior field]

90% of the teams are running bruisers and she wont really see play gg forward

[warm thicket]

Hellkid says hi with 6 more base speed

[junior field]

neither do cc teams wanna face her

[narrow zenith]

If people want balance they should release more SR characters that are decent alternatives and counter certain things

[junior field]

also since everyone pretty much can access liliam themselves, no one is powercreeping one another

[elfin thorn]

i mean i think eventually

[narrow zenith]

Well shes LD so ppl that didnt save will need to spend a little

[elfin thorn]

banner schedule outpaces resource acquisition

so if every character is this broken

(assuming she is)

then yea its not great

[willow talon]

??? LD unit accessible

[elfin thorn]

but i don't think it will be the case anyways?

[warm thicket]

Or lucky in permanent banner

[junior field]

isnt it 3 weeks per banner

[elfin thorn]

still don't think u can get enough

[junior field]

u have 6 weeks per rotation

[narrow zenith]

I only get dupes from there still missing 10 characters

[elfin thorn]

assuming u get fked by event rng

[narrow zenith]

[elfin thorn]

then i don't think ur guaranteed

[junior field]

yea ofc maybe u need 10 to 20 extra more, but thats one skip every 4-5 months

for f2ps

assuming hard pity btw

[narrow zenith]

I went to 80 on yeli banner

[elfin thorn]

yea

[mint spindle]

omg I can't believe people are saying this and realizing it's like an angel came down to bless my eyes and give my soul peace

[elfin thorn]

idk the numbers so

[narrow zenith]

And holden and fuqiu and freya

[mint spindle]

😍

who would have known..

[junior field]

same

[mint spindle]

😠

[junior field]

and now im back to 110

so ye

[warm thicket]

Lol yea

[narrow zenith]

Dazzler pulse please dont go away

[junior field]

im guranteed liliam and next full hard pity

[narrow zenith]

I missed you

[junior field]

in 6 more weeks btw

[narrow zenith]

Or at least come back next week

[mint spindle]

bigger issue than rengo difficulty in my eyes

[junior field]

not to mention rgb

[warm thicket]

Need it go away so i get another

Just come next day plz

[narrow zenith]

Small feedback but we need to be able to change our animus gear in RTA simulation lobby/room

Annoying to have to back out and change gear then rejoin or wait for an invite

[warm thicket]

I think they do so people dont swap between matches but they can put it as admin settings i guess

[narrow zenith]

I thought they had a separate mode for tourneys

Uh in that case make 2 buttons