Dreamscape did not fix the economy the CEO PROMISED

[kindred marsh]

added to the list

[gusty plank]

It’s a net loss you dumb fuck

Legit

Are you fucking dense?

[lament cairn]

i mean, if you dont buy the keys and just use daily keys + guide keys, you are still on net positive, no?

[gusty plank]

Go buy some rope and do the world a favor.

[lament cairn]

Dont get me wrong, idea of paying for extra attempts at event is horrible and dogshit

[gusty plank]

Fucking dumb cun1

[lament cairn]

but you aren't forced to put yourself into net negative by buying extra keys

[kindred marsh]

awe, dont cry little buddy

[warm folio]

This glazer dumbass god dammit

[gusty plank]

Buying keys is a negative investment

Is what this proved

[kindred marsh]

all it proved was youre stupid

but go on

[gusty plank]

Ya because rewards are any use

I got 23m data and 21 maxed shells

wtf do I need data for

Lattice is only item in game of importance to me

[ember horizon]

so you bought gem boxes...

[uneven tundra]

Training data and coins are the biggest complaints most people have

[kindred marsh]

and you spent your currency on gem boxes

HOLY FUCK

that is peak stupidity

[lament cairn]

i mean, we dont have avg crystal gain per box and how much currency you get per key, someone might hit a jackpot and get 1k crystals from 3 key's worth of content, another person might get cucked and roll 500. Event is terribly designed and rewards should never be RNG and players shouldnt have to spend Premium Currency to participate in the event more

[warm folio]

Did the keys not give you extra light and dark pieces for the guaranteed shop fragments?

[kindred marsh]

jesus christ this is why the feedback cant be taken seriously ever

[gusty plank]

3 each

Not even half an item

[kindred marsh]

the amount of window lickers that complain after they do the wrong thing just waters down any actual feedback

[warm folio]

How much does that add up to if you max refresh the whole event vs the price of a lattice pack in the shop?

[gusty plank]

Buying pack much better

It’s 1800 gems a day

2800 gems if max refresh

[soft grotto]

dont buy lattice box, better choose crystal

[gusty plank]

As f2p possibly

You’d gain gems for refreshes

But lattice>all

Most f2p aren’t max refreshing

I’d say more dependent on where you are in game. Need refills to farm? Gems

Farming teams need skill ups? Lattice

[kindred marsh]

Want to cry on discord? buy gem box and say you need lattice

[gusty plank]

I buy all lattice packs

The gem box was a test for people here. We discussed earlier

I have funds to max it idc

[kindred marsh]

"test" as if asia didnt already test

[gusty plank]

Do we have any Asia players here who showed us their boxes, no

[kindred marsh]

live look at kaylord iq

https://tenor.com/view/fall-gif-1907598177762756647

[gusty plank]

I mean I’m sponsored to play the game first 2 weeks

[kindred marsh]

yes, they were already shared here

[gusty plank]

Yet no longer because way it went

[kindred marsh]

you keep trying to flex, not a single person gives a shit homie

[gusty plank]

What’s flex?

I’m simply trying give input on testing boxes in event

[kindred marsh]

BUT GUYS IM SPONSORED

LISTEN TO ME

PLEASE

🤡

[gusty plank]

You are quite clueless. Go on. Have a good day buddy ☺️

[kindred marsh]

its always a good day when a new clown shows up

[gusty plank]

Been around since alpha but ok ❤️

[kindred marsh]

since you missed this part

[gusty plank]

That’s your opinion. Valid to have one

[kindred marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-for-the-itft-wheel-of-fortune-who-asked-gif-4693261845711803025

[royal gazelle]

Where?

[shrewd mantle]

i know this is not your fault, and i know this is not your call either, and I'm also sorry you have to deal with these kind of people ...

BUT ...

absolutely nothing and not a single design or operational decision the devs have made (since beta... omg) would make us believe this game will improve, they care at all, or are even remotely interested in listening to the community. The fixes are not more than small band aids or crumbs of solutions to major problems. Their credibility is gone and with every day is getting lower and lower.

thanks

[kindred marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/applause-leonardo-dicaprio-clap-gif-9602869

[uneven tundra]

This, and then to top it off we open the hyperlink dev talk by dismissing everything the CCs brought up in their intros and going to -

"What do you guys think of the new units"

[coral gale]

This is a dumb response imo, if you overdue it for 1 event you are making an uneasy playerbase happy, then you can adjust for the next one if you do it. Read the room guys, the game is on fire and your worried about overdoing it by giving the players base two golden
Lattice.... The fucking horror.

[halcyon obsidian]

Considering no meaningful changes are likely to be implemented until the next banner shows you where the priorities lie. It’s like they think none of us – including themselves – have played a gacha before. I’ve been playing them since FGO and I’ve seen every dirty trick and, to be fair, well designed game/mechanics on the market. The throttling of the economy to drive people to the cash shop is far more obvious than it needs to be. People would spend if they felt that their time was being rewarded. Or, if the skins had a bit of effort put into them.

[shrewd mantle]

COULD YOU IMAGINE thy for once are a little bit generous .... unthinkable, unacceptable, absolutely inappropriate lol

[shrewd mantle]

you gotta love their $10 recoloured skins xD

[halcyon obsidian]

No fun allowed. Stop that silly talk. Etheria Reshart should be like a man in the 1800s working in a coal mine. Punishing, toxic labour, and probably a miserable death from cholera.

Get good or something

[distant bay]

This event is giving the most lattice fragments for a weekly event we have seen to date, not sure what everyone is so upset about

[shy quail]

This event being p2w is just wrong, I can live with the rng portals but not the rng boxes

Events should be engaging and rewarding instead of turning everyone into gambling addicts

[halcyon obsidian]

Or marry a rich man/ woman and clear out the shop

[kindred marsh]

i got all the rewards from rumble cage, ill take that all day

[distant bay]

If you don't like the RnG elements you can go all left for a guaranteed 20k-30k currency a run

[wheat oyster]

Dazzler gives a full lattice + RNG chance at shards

[kindred marsh]

not the same type of event

[uneven tundra]

And doesn't take you any extra time

[wheat oyster]

It's not a "weekly event"?

[kindred marsh]

dazller = dice = lily board game

[shy quail]

Cubic best event so far

[kindred marsh]

rumble cage = dreamscape and what not

[shy quail]

[uneven tundra]

Right it's not the same type, this one takes time/effort, so it should reward you according

[kindred marsh]

completely different conversation

[halcyon obsidian]

It’s more rng, for one. 2. They’re making an offensively obvious attempt to fleece rubies with extra keys. 3. I need to stress more randomness and that the entire thing is just one walking slot machine with small battles dispersed between. 4. You should not need extra entries for an event, ever. You should do the content, invest your time, and get the rewards. This is how almost every gacha in existence does it and I don’t know why ER think they are special or have the Goodwill to attempt otherwise.

[distant bay]

God forbid you play the game rofl; also the game is not forcing you to spend gems on keys

[halcyon obsidian]

Reading is hard. I said you should not need to purchase extra entries to clear out an event shop. You will almost certainly have to do so with this event if you want to clear out the shop.

[uneven tundra]

It's not a problem of playing the game, it's a problem of one event taking no time, and giving similar rewards to an event you have to spend 30 min on daily

[glacial leaf]

I dont think the shop is meant to clear fully like any shop so far

Is all about decisions

[orchid agate]

If they wanted us to clear the whole shop they wouldn’t allow us to buy keys and make it so using 3 keys during the 7 days allows you to clear the shop.

[distant bay]

You have 3 LD frags per day = 21 / at least 11 from what we see in shop&quests / additional from the upgraded portals. So F2P should be able to get at least 35/50 of the lattice frags in shop without buying keys. Then you get 50-100k currency a day (plus more from quests), and I got 9 lattice frags from 130k currency (not sure if highroll). Overall this is a metric shit ton of lattice frags

AND none of the above includes what you use your R/B/G frags on , or the coins and shell exp you get

All F2P

[kindred marsh]

what do you mean by 3 LD frags per day

[orchid agate]

You definitely got a high roll

[distant bay]

The Yellow Dream Data items you need 8/8 of to buy 5 lattice frags in 2nd shop

[polar garnet]

Piggybacking off this thread to make some suggestions that can begin to take things in the right direction. From that point, reward quantities can be monitored and adjusted accordingly.

1. Gem cost of purchasing keys 300 -> 100. Why the hell is an event refresh worth 3x as much as a regular stamina refresh? No other gacha does this.

2. The reward boxes from the exchange shops have too much variance and you can quite literally get nothing for your efforts. Either
   a. Make it so you get a fixed amount of each reward once you buy all 300 boxes. e.g. If you buy 300 lattices, every player is guarannteed to get 1, 2, and 3 Lattice Fragments 30 times, and are guaranteed to get books, coins, and training data 70 times each
   b. Introduce a pity system where if you dont get the featured reward (e.g. Lattice Fragments) after x boxes, the next box is guaranteed to have them.

3. Speaking of books, why is the book drop only one book? This is 5 stamina worth of books while the Training Data drop is 10k, which is roughly 10 stamina worth of training data. Increase the number of gold books to at least 2.

[kindred marsh]

yeah you basically have to run L/D out of 3 (using 2/3 keys) to get your 8/8 to buy 5 pieces. 35/50 fragments for this type of event is complete dogshit

[orchid agate]

300x key is rough 1.8k if you wanna buy the extra keys

[kindred marsh]

that also means you forgo stability

[distant bay]

OK so let's say its 25/50. You are still getting more than 5 a day from using your purple currency. So you will end up with >1 Full Yellow Lattice by end of event, +All the other goodies

That's an above avg weekly event

And that's using 0 gems on extra keys

[kindred marsh]

if you high roll AND that requires you to babysit an event, when we were getting a full lattice from some auto shit from rumble cage

theres no way to slice this

the event sucks

and thats net of them saying how "generous" this would be

[orchid agate]

This event is a flop

[kindred marsh]

it's also not even engaging content

[uneven tundra]

And the purple side is not "rewarding" it's a slot machine

[wheat oyster]

"an above avg weekly event" doesn't really sound like the promised economy fix

[glacial leaf]

I had fun gambling but im degen

[uneven tundra]

The way they talked about it it sounded like it would be harder but offer better rewards

Nope, just rng to maybe get more, maybe get nothing, maybe lose all your currency

[wet mural]

lost all the gamble today. even the 85% chance to win gamble. that felt bad

[wheat oyster]

This! I was expecting harder PvE fights for more rewards but if you fail you get nothing.

Not just GAMBLING 🎉

[orchid agate]

I lost all my currency before getting to the boss and it was on legendary cant reset so my score couldn’t go higher than b

[grizzled matrix]

SO GUYS

based off my data today

[kindred marsh]

so generous!

[grizzled matrix]

and uh

well

you get 3 daily keys +4 from dreamweaver at some point you should buy 2 keys so you can complete an additional run of dreamweaver guide

cuz thats where most of the exchange coin comes from

so 25 f2p + 2 = 27 keys = 9 runs

also go left

right side gamba risk vs return is kinda shit

[kindred marsh]

right side asks too many questions

just go left

[gusty plank]

The fact everyone gets different rewards for same effort becomes issue

[kindred marsh]

not enough time in the day for the shitty rewards to be bothered

[grizzled matrix]

im expecting ~120-150 maybe a bit more boxes f2p can buy

[gusty plank]

I think that’s biggest complain overall

[grizzled matrix]

i think the lattice mystery box might be a giga scam

[gusty plank]

A f2p with good rng can end up with so much more than one with bad rng

[grizzled matrix]

you should maybe get the hydra crystal or even shadowprints

[gusty plank]

All for same amount of event input

[grizzled matrix]

the rng on left side is probably not too bad on dust

[inner pebble]

it is

[gusty plank]

The gem boxes aren’t bad for f2p

Tbh

[tough axle]

Guys. I think we just misunderstood the event. I’ve had a change of heart

[gusty plank]

Each day will give a full days reset of farming

[royal crow]

Either way i feel like this game is taking the same path as other EoSed games I have played. It does not help that CZN is around the corner. I stopped whaling and just waiting on the next game. You also build a lot of resentment quicker because devs overpromised being f2p friendly. Fuck these lattices.

[grizzled matrix]

yeah i think you should go gem box or shadowprints some if u need it

lattice and sr ticket absolute scam

[gusty plank]

This was 35 Gem boxes

[grizzled matrix]

you got lucky

[gusty plank]

Which is bout 3/4 f2p daily reward

Possibly

It beats 3 lattice shards for f2p that need to farm lol

[grizzled matrix]

this is 10 gem box

[gusty plank]

Rng is fun

An event with rng is not

Events are supposed to feel linear and rewarding

As progress event gain rewards.

Not do x to possibly get y

[grizzled matrix]

the people who keep saying this is a gacha as an excuse for all the rng are being difficult on purpose

the gacha part of gacha games

is rolling for characters

(and weapons...)

not every single thing you try to do

[gusty plank]

Yes. The events are the rewards for playing the gacha

[grizzled matrix]

at this point they should make prowess upgrades have a chance to suceed or fail

[gusty plank]

Lmfao

I’d cry laughing

[inner pebble]

im surprised they didnt, some gachas do actually do that

[grizzled matrix]

your daily login reward shoudl be random too

in fact every 5 minutes you have a chance to gain - 0-2 stamina

put me in the next strategy meeting im full of ideas that match their creative vision

[gusty plank]

We can make everything gamba

[grizzled matrix]

every time you open the game it has a chance to lock you out for 15 minutes

try again later

oh no wait that wouldnt up screen time engagement

[orchid agate]

Why? Why cant we have something guaranteed for once.

[grizzled matrix]

id bet money that the investors just see high screen time = good

[orchid agate]

Pulling feels less rng than this event

[grizzled matrix]

no matter how they get it

[orchid agate]

You have a point.

[grizzled matrix]

i dont even think the ~$120 of gems to buy the extra keys is bad return on value

except you have to do 42 more runs

if its 15 minutes a run thats 10 more hours of grinding

you are swiping to inconvenience yourself

[gusty plank]

Wait what math are you doing

That 120$ could be 3 lattic

If buy keys it’s 1

[grizzled matrix]

using the $100 pack no bonus at 5% discount

to pay for 42 keys = 12.6k

[gusty plank]

Our discord was doing math. Giga whales, not buying keys

[fossil nexus]

How many boxes can f2p open a day?

[grizzled matrix]

giga whale can buy the lattice pack and the keys

[gusty plank]

30-40

[nova spade]

20-40

[grizzled matrix]

but do they wanna spend 10 hours grinding lmao

[gusty plank]

We don’t buy the keys

[fossil nexus]

Damn

[gusty plank]

Because we don’t need the rewards

[cosmic saddle]

Well tru

[gusty plank]

Lattice all we need

Extra keys will warrant no lattice

[nova spade]

i rather do ember trek again

than this shit ahh event

[grizzled matrix]

f2p should be able to get 21 keys daily + 4 dreamweaver = 25

buy 2 keys for 600 lets you get 1 more run of the boss

hard to calc average dust per run

id say at least 20k

floor

ish

20-40k dust

[gusty plank]

It’s such a huge range

[grizzled matrix]

really depends on what events you roll

[gusty plank]

By end of week a f2p can have double rewards as another

It’s wild

[grizzled matrix]

i think this run is prob the luckiest you can get on left side

[nova spade]

just delete the event ngl

put dazzling in its place

[gusty plank]

I’ve seen some bad events in games lol

This is impressive tho

[orchid agate]

Making the dazzle event permanent would be fire

[nova spade]

first time playing a game with event that have RNG through the roof

[gusty plank]

Ya

I come from e7, sw etc

Events all linear and constant

[nova spade]

other game at least give u enough currency to buy out most of the limited items but this one doesnt

[gusty plank]

Ya I’ve never played game where you can’t buy the large items from event lol

[orchid agate]

XD promotes gambling lol

[gusty plank]

Even idles

[grizzled matrix]

they are smoking something goooood

[nova spade]

like someone says they remove RNG from limited banner gacha and put every RNG they can put in the game instead lol

[shrewd mantle]

don't give ideas to the devs PLEASE

[grizzled matrix]

im sure they considered that already

given their track record rn

[distant bay]

Add 3 more upgrades to modules up to +18 with low success probability and chance to break the module on fail

[shrewd mantle]

because it's their "game philosophy"

[grizzled matrix]

you just sent me back to my teeny tiny child self

ragnarok online

[shrewd mantle]

someone actually priase the devs for sticking to theirs in reddit ... that was funny

[grizzled matrix]

weapon upgrades in RO past a certain safe amount had a chance to fail per upgrade

ohhhhhhhh my god

and u lose the wep

[nova spade]

solution for now ❌
solution in 1 year✅

[shrewd mantle]

no, breaking your only elemntal sword trying to get it +9 was heart breaking

[grizzled matrix]

so i thought we had a safe 2 years before eos before

im not sure abt that anymore

[shrewd mantle]

it's a marathon, not a sprint ... what do you mean!?

[orchid agate]

Let’s see if this game maintains a players base in year. The gacha is a really competitive space.

[grizzled matrix]

but thats okay!

maybe they dont care about global server going to eos

[nova spade]

marathon to EoS kekw

[grizzled matrix]

we just a beta for cn

pump n dump global test

[nova spade]

early EWS, while not caring for ur playerbase

[shrewd mantle]

i'm REALLY curious about daily users and how did it devolved recently

[grizzled matrix]

probably just marketing for CN to build an image things are going well and this is a upcoming competitive pvp game

make it look real good for cn launch

like they did pre global launch

[orchid agate]

In game chat Channel numbers haver declined for sure

Less people talking in game

[grizzled matrix]

we lose ppl in the union every week

[gusty plank]

More servers tho 😂😂

[sinful vessel]

Maplestory ptsd

[shrewd mantle]

yeha but i want raw data so i can shove into the white knights throat

[kindred marsh]

im in a top 5 on global and we lose 1 person every day or 2 lmao

[orchid agate]

I think they want to maintain the appearance that they’re not losing players.

[grizzled matrix]

yeah even top guilds lose bodies weekly its so bad

[kindred marsh]

we just went into gvg at 27/30

[distant bay]

Losing players is inevitable, every new game goes through that cycle.

[grizzled matrix]

no

[kindred marsh]

can't even find people with full inferno clears that still play and need a guild anymore

[grizzled matrix]

not this soon in top competitive guilds

this fast

[kindred marsh]

dont bother, he was trying to say the event was okay lmao

[grizzled matrix]

we're bleeding endgame players alarmingly fast

ppl who have spent a good amount too

well the event

both is and isnt okay

[gusty plank]

We lost 2 huge whales this week

[orchid agate]

Any casual player already left so

[shrewd mantle]

i love hearing that

[grizzled matrix]

the event is kinda headass looking up front but in total rewards vs cost its not really bad

but it wants to make that as fussy and difficult to get as possible

[gusty plank]

One went to uma tho lol. Other just because state game

[shrewd mantle]

hurt them in the ONLY place they care , their revenue

[kindred marsh]

relative to what it was supposed to be, it sucks donkey balls

[gusty plank]

It doesn’t hurt them tho. Money already spent

[sinful vessel]

The thing is that it just feels like shit

[kindred marsh]

if this was just a normal event, it wouldnt be so bad

[sinful vessel]

I don’t care if the expected value of total rewards is good

[gusty plank]

Games make money from early input. Not continuous spenders

[grizzled matrix]

yeah the rewards are technically good enoughish on paper now that ive looked at it

[sinful vessel]

It fucking feels like absolutely donkey shit doo doo

[grizzled matrix]

but it feels so shit to get there

[gusty plank]

Revenue largely from the player drops 20-100$ then quits

[shrewd mantle]

but that's only short term, they won't get those whales money next month, and the next one, and the next one

[sinful vessel]

I shouldn’t have to take out a calculator and compute my total rewards

[orchid agate]

Takes too much time to complete the event too imo

[gusty plank]

The whales aren’t their big revenue

[sinful vessel]

To cope that I’m getting some good stuff

[distant bay]

The problem is that most players don't care about PvE, so you can't make any event that forces you through multiple layers of team-building and PvE feel good. They want to spin their 10 dice rolls or whatever and move on.

[gusty plank]

Is what I’m telling you

[grizzled matrix]

i would say most spenders have slowed down a lot

i barely buy any packs now

[sinful vessel]

Also why the fuck does this event even last only 1 week

That better just be a rotational thing

[gusty plank]

The casual spenders and dolphins are their the revenue.

[sinful vessel]

And it lasts way longer

[kindred marsh]

same thing ive been saying for weeks..."because fuck you"

[sinful vessel]

Otherwise that’s just fucked in the head

[grizzled matrix]

did you see my spreadsheet notes in LC

[sinful vessel]

[shrewd mantle]

this is an interesting theory and something that i've always wonder... how many whales a gacha game has? what part of revue are they? compared to mid-small spenders?

[sinful vessel]

No cuz I dont care

It doesn’t matter

How much rewards we actually get tbh

[kindred marsh]

well its also not true, theres plenty of data out there about this

[grizzled matrix]

this game is shit for whaling cuz their packs suck

[sinful vessel]

Can u even get the full lattice

[gusty plank]

The amount of players that spend 20-100$ first few days super outweighs number of whales

[shrewd mantle]

there is this narrative that "whales keep the lights on and everyone else is f2p entitle POS because they play for free and should't have a say in anything"

[sinful vessel]

From the rune shop??

[grizzled matrix]

for some reason one of the most common things normally is pull pack values with x3-5 sometimes 10 limit

but they give you 4 tier of packs 1x each

[gusty plank]

Coming from someone who works in the industry I can tell you that’s not true lol

[shrewd mantle]

i'd like to think that aswell, but in gacha communities if you are not a whale you STFU

[grizzled matrix]

also no skins

[kindred marsh]

search the r/gachgaming, the data has been posted numerous times

[gusty plank]

Yo this blows my mind haha

[shrewd mantle]

what do you mean? they have a lot of $10 shitty recolour ones

[gusty plank]

The fact they know goons will spend but refuse make skins

[grizzled matrix]

lets define whale

ppl have different definitions of it

[sinful vessel]

They don’t have time for skins tbf

They have bigger issues

[gusty plank]

In this kinda game I’d say 1-2k a month min

[distant bay]

Y'all act like making a skin is just a one day task for an intern lol

[gusty plank]

It is

[distant bay]

If it's not a recolor it's not rofl

[grizzled matrix]

cuz like the whaling ceiling in this game is so low

[gusty plank]

90% is ai generated

[orchid agate]

Aren’t they AI?

[gusty plank]

Exactly

[kindred marsh]

most i know are about 5-10k right now

@grizzled matrix

[sinful vessel]

Is that low for gacha game

[distant bay]

AI can make the splash art but not the models

[sinful vessel]

Like this kind

[gusty plank]

Ya think a lot skewed because new game influx

[grizzled matrix]

those are the giga whales

[sinful vessel]

[gusty plank]

I’d say 1-2k a month

[grizzled matrix]

also theres upfront early buys vs consistent monthly buys

[kindred marsh]

you can blow that on fresh packs in SW lol

[gusty plank]

They double that at release

[shrewd mantle]

you have to be kidding ... 10k? in this game? i mean that's absolutely batshit crazy in any game

[gusty plank]

Not to everyone

[grizzled matrix]

launch you dump the majority of it to pull everything then its like just seeing what comes out

[sinful vessel]

At Launch tho?….

[orchid agate]

Giga whales are like what less than 5%?

[kindred marsh]

its all relative

[sinful vessel]

Ofc now it’s giga inflated

[shrewd mantle]

i rememeber when AAA games were at $50-60 and everyone was losing their minds

[kindred marsh]

bro theres people that have spent millions in SW lmfao

[gusty plank]

Exactly

[sinful vessel]

Millions?…

[gusty plank]

Yes

[kindred marsh]

yes, millions lmao

[sinful vessel]

No wonder that shit game isn’t dwad

Dead

[orchid agate]

Mario kart is 80$

[kindred marsh]

i know of one that had a 7 million $ charizard collection

[distant bay]

This game limiting stam refreshes absolutely kills the whaling potential

[sinful vessel]

[gusty plank]

Not even that. It’s lack of actual packs too

[shrewd mantle]

if any, i blame whales for dropping 10k a month in a game like this... they are the reason devs decided to have "design philosophies" like this one

[gusty plank]

I can clear entire shop spending very little

[grizzled matrix]

they dont give a lot of packs

[gusty plank]

Most whales here complain can’t buy more lattice

[grizzled matrix]

the packs all have like a 1 limit

[kindred marsh]

gotta realize 10k is piss pennies to some

[grizzled matrix]

and half the packs are just useless

[shrewd mantle]

you mean EVERYTHING in the shop? and please define "very little" ... as specific as possible

[uneven tundra]

Hate to break it to you, but there is not a lot to spend on in this game as a whale

[gusty plank]

1-2k max

[shrewd mantle]

i meant in general ...

[gusty plank]

The shops here are awful

[slow sundial]

im at a point of no return just lower the cost of upgrading gear by 50% is that so hard

[grizzled matrix]

the "skins" are too ugly to even bother owning

[gusty plank]

To whales our only value items are lattice

We have the units

Most 5/5

[grizzled matrix]

and u only get to buy like 2 a week

thats $60

if we get an event pack with it

like dazzler

new banner comes out and its like less than $200 worth of packs

[shrewd mantle]

and i don't hate to know there are very little whales in this game, if any no one should be spending money in this game until they addressed ALL the issues efectively not with whatever they are doing right now

[gusty plank]

Like we at point whales have nothing to buy but refreshed lattice packs

[grizzled matrix]

whys the pack limit on those so low

but also like whatever

cuz at this point this game isnt worth whaling in anymore

[gusty plank]

Exactly

[kindred marsh]

bause $100 for crystals make them more money

[gusty plank]

Exactly

lol

[slow sundial]

just EOS already and stop wasting our time

[grizzled matrix]

even if they up the packs and limits now i dont want anything cuz im just hanging around

[gusty plank]

Ya it’s cost fallacy now

[grizzled matrix]

we are not committed like that anymore

[gusty plank]

We here til just fall off

[uneven tundra]

It's fine that they have limits, but you can't say they are designing the game the way it is to make money

[grizzled matrix]

yup

just coasting on what was already spent

[kindred marsh]

too many of yall think these fuckers are your friends or something, they dont care about you...they care about money

[uneven tundra]

If they were designing it to make money it would make sense

But they aren't lol

[gusty plank]

We only still playing because invested. And it’s not that much invested

[orchid agate]

Im just waiting to see how they balance the game in 2 weeks ish see if the I dip.

[shrewd mantle]

since you are from the industry, what are the next (close to launch) hyped games to be released?

[slow sundial]

every gtcha is design to make money its literally a casino

[shrewd mantle]

i'm jumping boat as soon i find ANY alternative xD

[gusty plank]

Genre?

[grizzled matrix]

fuck gachas man theres no good recent ones or upcoming ones

[nova spade]

CZN, lost sword

[shrewd mantle]

i have play every genre under the sun, for many many years... so hit me

[gusty plank]

That^

[grizzled matrix]

theyre all worth less than 6 months of play

[kindred marsh]

star savior and czn look okay

[grizzled matrix]

thats being generous

[slow sundial]

i wasted my time with 4 beta and now the official release how is it the official release feels worst than the beta

[gusty plank]

Pvp wise it’s bad world atm

[kindred marsh]

or you could go race horse girls

[warm storm]

They are similar to casinos but not exactly the same, you gotta have the playerbase Happy, f2p/ spenders

[gusty plank]

You can buy end game accounts in sw or e7 for 500$. Like every nat 5

[shrewd mantle]

i'm really curious about that one, everone seems to love it

[kindred marsh]

saw a thread today its at the top of the steam chart lol

[gusty plank]

Uma is hilarious. It’s fun

[kindred marsh]

got a guildie like 25k deep

[gusty plank]

I just can’t get into the pvp of it lol

[orchid agate]

Uma is taking the gacha space by storm

Big CC playing it lol

[tough axle]

if you want every nat5 its more like $100 in sw

[gusty plank]

Because it’s actually replayable nonstop pve fun

[gusty plank]

I’d believe it.

[tough axle]

the $500 are like multiple lds

around 10

[gusty plank]

I’m just autoing Ethernet rally while write programs today. Waiting for CC videos release lol

[fossil nexus]

One side has Red and Blue... no L or D, crazy

[gusty plank]

Yaaaaa

[nova spade]

im struglling

[gusty plank]

We all are

It’s been reported

[distant bay]

Obol fangus all day

[gusty plank]

I expect that addressed before event

[distant bay]

LL Red chiaki

[nova spade]

create a affinity system > don't let player use the counter affinity

[shrewd mantle]

for the people who played e7 recently (not in 2017), how many molas you get per week/month?

[fossil nexus]

Have you met these dog shits

[gusty plank]

Thankfully no

[gusty plank]

Not enough compared to how fast gain characters lol

[lethal swallow]

just play the game

[shrewd mantle]

there you go

[gusty plank]

Yep after like year of playing

You flooded

[fossil nexus]

Man, will 7K Rebirth be better than this. I need to see if their drama is as bad as ours. I know they have difficult PvE too

[shrewd mantle]

also i remember you get "character" molas by ...playing the game

[tough axle]

what is molas in e7?

[slow sundial]

dont compare E7 to this game E7 is a way better game

[wheat oyster]

lattice

[tough axle]

how many to level up a char?

[gusty plank]

Like 10-15 for some?

[lethal swallow]

This game is going in the same path as other failed gachas who was developed/maintened by people clueless about their own game

devs and cms repeatedly mentioned that they do play the game but they are clueless

[gusty plank]

Very true

[tough axle]

holy crap they are clowning on us

[gusty plank]

There is no way they playing own game

[lethal swallow]

at least have the decency to put drop rates on the gacha boxes you are feeding us as REWARDs

[gusty plank]

Ya didn’t even know that was legal

Is it?

Wait

[lethal swallow]

hiding numbers in a fcking casino game is very ethical

[warm storm]

New event sucks, cant defend it

[gusty plank]

Ya I didn’t think that was even legal anymore

[nova spade]

it is illegal in some country

[tough axle]

if you can buy it with real world currency then I think its illegal in the UK

[fallen mountain]

just go yellow side can get 40k+ most of time by spamming yellow side avoid casino side like plague

[shrewd mantle]

the problem is not how "difficult" things are, is the combine result of everything. You HAVE to have a 280+ speed, decent dmg, decent surivality... they're basically stat checking you in everything ON TOP of stupid mechanics (insta KO reset skills, 3 turn immunity ever turn, stun every turn, etc etc etc).
I can't progress because i can't get those useless 2 subs pieces (that might roll 3 times on speed) because doing that is just ridiculous expensive, so i'm waiting for the "perfect" piece just to feel i'm not throwing my coins to the drain

[gusty plank]

Since in game currency

[wheat oyster]

I actually think that's illegal

[gusty plank]

Ya you right

[nova spade]

i think the EU pass a law?
that why genshin had to change shit

[gusty plank]

It’s not “purchasable”

[lethal swallow]

not putting is illegal

[wheat oyster]

we can buy keys with crystals so they're paid loot boxes

[gusty plank]

Only if purchasable directly with currency

No we can buy the keys

[tough axle]

right but genshin wasnt either. since you can convert to the in game currency with another it was forced to change

[gusty plank]

The keys are finite

[shrewd mantle]

its 12 to max a character, no?

[gusty plank]

Yes but it was direct correlation

This isn’t

Keys give finite chances

The dust from those finite clears

[lethal swallow]

it is not about being legal or not, they are simply hiding the chances of the rewards they are so graciously giving us behind boxes 🙂

[tough axle]

it is though. you can buy keys with gems which you can buy with cash

[gusty plank]

Give boxes

[gusty plank]

The keys and what keys give is finite

[fossil nexus]

For me its how they handle everything that's dogshit

[gusty plank]

It’s dirty but legal lol

[fossil nexus]

Throw the players a bone man

[slow sundial]

what is this? all we ask for is for you to lower the cost of upgrading gear by about 50%, not this crap

[shrewd mantle]

well .. i guess i needed this little interaction, this game actually sucks ass and the devs don't care nor this will improve

i'm not spedning more time with these clowns

[gusty plank]

O if you f2p I’d def not blame you walk away lol

[shrewd mantle]

XD will be added to LONG list of devs i won't touch their games, just beside netmarble and scam2us

kudos, and good luck with ... whatever your doing in this game

[tough axle]

before you go. Try out horse game

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-cap-dancing-umamusume-chibi-gif-10169214246627292150

[shrewd mantle]

yeah will do, thanks

do they have pc client? i haven't even seen gameplay or anything just the name

[tough axle]

yes

[north fulcrum]

Whos even enjoying the layers over layers over layers over layers of rng on an rng on another rng, it's getting tired to wait for resolution that seems to be causing for stress. Waiting for CZN so we all can move out from here

[lethal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-gif-11828345172665766158

[tough axle]

its on steam

[shrewd mantle]

the "Hardcore" (MOBILE GACHA LOL) players definitely are, since everything is fine and the game is good and blah blah blah

[slow sundial]

this game is doom

[shrewd mantle]

i guess i'm a peasant who is not hardcore enough to play and enjoy this game lel

[lethal swallow]

just do bareminimum, wait for 1-2 months

it will either die or be fixed

[gusty plank]

This

[slow sundial]

after this guild war i might leave also its a big waste of time and money

[wheat oyster]

Doesn't really help for those of us wanting to play a turn based PvP Character builder lol

[lethal swallow]

I'm leaning towards the first one 🙂

[gusty plank]

A lot of us been through this before

Sw and e7, RSL etc

[lethal swallow]

but at least Etheria showed other devs/gamestudios that there is still a big demand for pvp gacha games

so I'm hoping new ones will show up soon

[gusty plank]

They def did lol

[tough axle]

no it didnt. uma musume did

[gusty plank]

A lot of big names came unsponsored. They just weren’t ready and think poor leadership

[north fulcrum]

We just need a new game to jump into so we can leave all the stress here

[gusty plank]

The pve there is what has people

[lethal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/aya-maruyama-aya-bang-dream-bandori-pastel-palettes-gif-25157419

[grizzled matrix]

idk

[fossil nexus]

I enjoy module RNG (I live to farm speed). But yeah why is everything else RNG too?!

[nova spade]

when is this EWS?

[grizzled matrix]

on paper the rewards you get from this event is pretty good and itll repeat (idk how often)

but also

[lethal swallow]

cant wait to watch how EWS will turn into another fiasco btw 🙂

[grizzled matrix]

it feels shit from all the rng

[wheat oyster]

I just reinstalled E7 to check out the updates.

The new anime intro cutscenes were really good lol

[nova spade]

chant fire jake in the EWS livestream

[lethal swallow]

e7 is the way @wheat oyster

[gusty plank]

E7 is solid and noone will argue that

[slow sundial]

going back to playing AAA games and good indie games only not these casino royal games

[tough axle]

who is jake

[north fulcrum]

Im here for the rng too, but seeing rng on events is just beyond me, it's abysmal and un forgiving

[tough axle]

from state farms?

[grizzled matrix]

yeah i have a huge backlog of steam games that look really appealing rn

[wheat oyster]

I might make a new account and just play through from the start

[grizzled matrix]

compared to the time i spend on etheria

[nova spade]

whoever that dev guy is JACK

[grizzled matrix]

can you guys imagine i didnt play expedition 33 bc i was busy with etheria?

[gusty plank]

Ya that or sw

[grizzled matrix]

i must be an idiot

[gusty plank]

New game experiences amazing on both now

Especially if have friends to do it with

[north fulcrum]

It feels like it's better to play SW or E7 now than this

[gusty plank]

O it is 100% lol

[tough axle]

but but but but but in 2017! It felt like crap!

[gusty plank]

O exactly

I’m not saying they didn’t suck at start

Og sw players will tell you lol

[slow sundial]

day 1 E7 player didnt have a problem rolling gear

[tough axle]

No Im memeing people saying etheria is fine since sw and e7 started like that lol

[fossil nexus]

It sucked but I also loved it. ER sucks but I hate it

[gusty plank]

I mean I get it

This why we still here

Hope

Copium

[nova spade]

Hoping it to EOS soon

[north fulcrum]

Coz ER no longer in era of e7 and sw sucks, but for some reason they still want to go through the years of their competitors when they are still bad

[shy quail]

Jack's vision Pog

As someone who have tried multiple times in the dark portal, its safe to say its never worth to go dark portal

[kindred marsh]

youre just quitting before you hit it big like other failed gamblers

skill issue

[north fulcrum]

It's not even worth to play the event

[shy quail]

You'll either end up with 5 - 10k feathers or 30k feathers

[lethal swallow]

I would def save my keys incase they fix/chance something in the next 2 days

you can stack keys up to 10

[shy quail]

meanwhile if you go light portal, its always 20k

[lethal swallow]

also another clueless number, you get 3 keys per day but the cap is 10

someone has a problem with math

[north fulcrum]

You can "buy"

Devs solution

[copper hawk]

I get the point that the game developers are trying to see if the event helps or not then decide what changes to make, but the point is, after one month of farming, majority of people don't have the patience for you to test stuff, you either Ace it and make it right in one shot, or you risk of losing more players, because things don't meet their expectations time after time after time. You said sheep shell gives us 20k data, although you didn't promise that, but it already has a very bad impact. You said let's see how the event goes, then discuss about the economy shortage, and we immediately thought this can probably fix the problem, and apparently that is a big L as well, otherwise this chat won't explode. At this point any mediocre decision from dev team will kill the game, you have long passed the stage of "test and see".

[lethal swallow]

^^

[slow sundial]

devs what are we doing right now i cant roll any gear the F

[nova spade]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-for-diamonds-never-give-up-gamble-keep-gambling-trash-gif-4704373444474043443

[lethal swallow]

they are not "trying" anything but randomly doing stuff

[wheat oyster]

This is better than any gear I had on my account and now they're just giving it away as rewards?

[gusty plank]

Lmao

[lethal swallow]

the chance to get that weapon is nearly impossible dont worry

that is why it is so good 🙂

[gusty plank]

23 speed

[lethal swallow]

you will get an item like that probably once a year

from that Orbis

[gusty plank]

Ya

[glacial leaf]

You must have played different game

[gusty plank]

Day 1 e7 was pain

[vocal cloak]

Anyone know why the devs are so retarded?

[tough axle]

WHAT THE FUCK

[lethal swallow]

gold is also a limiting factor in e7 but you can farm it

you just decide what to farm

gold or items

[tough axle]

YOU JUST GET THAT FOR FREE?????

[glacial leaf]

Yes rng

Tho

[orchid agate]

You missed peak

[north fulcrum]

Lets just play E7

[slow sundial]

gold aint a limited factor in E7

[lethal swallow]

it is, you have to farm for it

[grizzled matrix]

this game just has so many anxiety inducing mechanics kind of for no reason

you cant spend ur currency in this event without worrying

bc you dont know how much you'll get so you dont know what you can buy in shop

[slow sundial]

becuase you spend all your gold buying bookmarks from refreshing the shop

[north fulcrum]

Instead of luring in new players they're shooing everyone away lol

[grizzled matrix]

without jumping thru a whole bunch of hoops or looking online for people who mathed it

[slow sundial]

i have over 500mil gold

[grizzled matrix]

you cant tell what ur supposed to pick at every turn for fear of wasting ur rare chance to get anything

[lethal swallow]

the only feeling I get from playing Etheria is being swindled and that takes the whole fun of playing thegame

[glacial leaf]

Ive seen multiple high level streamers buying gold packs on e7

It defo was issue

[warm storm]

Too many rng events

[grizzled matrix]

theres so much stuff that just gives people stress

FOR NO REASON

[warm folio]

They don't seem to realize you need to balance the good with the constant stress. The game induces mind-numbing cognitive load

[grizzled matrix]

theres like barely any safety net for a bad or unoptimal decision

you are double punished for any mistake

[warm folio]

I can't believe they made getting more coins feel like losing. I'm going to say this over and over and over and over

[slow sundial]

they need to change the name to RNG

[grizzled matrix]

once for not getting as much value
twice for now being behind and theres nothing that helps anyone catch up

[slow sundial]

everything in this game is rng

[fossil nexus]

EXACTLY. They could have handled things so much better but whoever is in charge of communcations, marketing and messaging needs to be fired lmao

[grizzled matrix]

things that promise rewards are still stress inducing instead of dopamine inducing

literally EVERYTHING is designed to induce anxiety and fomo and uncertainty

they think this will make it feel good when you do win rng once in a blue moon

no you just feel like shit still

[warm folio]

I think C is doing fine tbh but the rest yeah

[lavish zodiac]

[tough vortex]

Fool alive

[grizzled matrix]

on paper the rewards are actually good

[tough vortex]

Here

[frigid pilot]

Bro the mf that needs to be fired is whatever game designer is snorting RNG like its crack 😭

[grizzled matrix]

its just fucking shit getting there anyway

also i dont want to spend 10 extra hours grinding

after paying for crystals to buy keys

just gimme my shit i gave you money already goddamn

[fossil nexus]

Its the IN GAME communication and announcements, c is fighting for his life trying to save things lol

[grizzled matrix]

15 mins a run at 42 keys

[north fulcrum]

Not to mention the fcking recoloured skins again

[stray mesa]

fuq this trash event!! i just went gold side and getting the lattice frag box. fuq min maxing this horseshyt

[grizzled matrix]

i pay to be lazy not to work 10 more hours LMAO

[warm folio]

This was supposed to be an infusion of resources that made everyone feel better but instead they made the currency gains box come at the expense of potential lattice fragments and made those boxes cost currency from the most RNG bullshit possible and made every single choice feel like losing

[warm storm]

They went too greedy for no reason or real benefit for them

[nova spade]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-25193407

[grizzled matrix]

he is like holding peoples mental togther much more than ppl realize i think

i was spiraling so bad at certain points before he comes in with his paragraphs

[wheat oyster]

I just want to play my turn based PvP battler.

Why do I have to wade through all this RNG nonsense to do it

[grizzled matrix]

that pvp ladder losing players every week to play with

[frigid pilot]

^^ Literally

I just wanna play the game

[grizzled matrix]

every week bc ppl at least finish a union battle before dipping

[tough vortex]

Even usain bolt in etheria obstacle race will lose

[warm folio]

Also why does it take so long?

[frigid pilot]

but theres the fucking inferno dungeons and RNG events everywhere

so when im done with allat shit

[slow sundial]

i think they play on there test server with tons of resource and not the actual live server where the economy is crap and rng is too much, they dont have a clue what to do

[frigid pilot]

I dont even feel like pvping

[warm folio]

Even 5 minutes a run is 15 minutes and then the boss battle is like 5 minutes

[fossil nexus]

Im fine with Inferno RNG bullshit but why is the RNG on events so damn wide

[frigid pilot]

36 minutes for JUST the 3 battles btw

not including dreamweaver

[grizzled matrix]

this game has so many unfriendly moments especially to people unfamiliar with the genre

[tough vortex]

People are exhausted of rng

[north fulcrum]

Whoever is spending, stop spending, lower your game times, and flood the feedback even their ratings 🙄

[grizzled matrix]

they will put themselves behind with every step instead of progressing

its so bad

[stray mesa]

abyss boss tanky for nothing. it still dies

[nova spade]

petition to make dazzling event a permanent event

[stray mesa]

just takes more time

[grizzled matrix]

they have no failsafes for people to make mistakes with

[wheat oyster]

I don’t even understand what’s “fun” about RNG event rewards

[grizzled matrix]

this game is extremely unfriendly to casuals and f2p and new to the genre currently

[frigid pilot]

they can frustrate people into spending ig?? I have no idea

[grizzled matrix]

we cant grow

and we're bleeding players

[frigid pilot]

Honestly I might quit bc of this

[north fulcrum]

CZN JUST COME OUT ALREADY

[wheat oyster]

It’s not making me want to spend. It’s making me want to play something else 🤣

[slow sundial]

ill wait before i try CZN

[gusty plank]

It’s pve inly

Not for me

[slow sundial]

so etheria is trying to get into esports how are yall going to get there if we cant roll gear to compete

[glacial leaf]

Kuro making mmo lets just wait 3-5 years

Gonna be peak

[gusty plank]

Not sure why Etheria thought esports give them much

Only reason few players there is the sponsor money

[frigid pilot]

They flew people out to china so they can be broke and spam revelation 💀

[grizzled matrix]

they are just using that ewc to advertise and scam cn players for official launch

[gusty plank]

They want cn money

Bad

[grizzled matrix]

like how they hyped etheria pre global launch so hard

[slow sundial]

yep

[grizzled matrix]

theyre giving the image to CN that ER has a strong pvp environment

instead its the same what 100 players spamming the same 15 units

[gusty plank]

Ya lol

[grizzled matrix]

di i say e7

[gusty spoke]

ews if not dev acc

[grizzled matrix]

oops

etheria*

[gusty spoke]

will prob flop

[ashen trout]

omg event is saved look at how much i got from 2 boxes

[gusty spoke]

ewc? ews idk

[ashen trout]

this is real

[frigid pilot]

Photoshop?

[nova spade]

more rewarding than this shit event

[glacial leaf]

Its not dev accs

[tough axle]

DEVS LISTENED

[gusty plank]

When is it?

[grizzled matrix]

EWC EWS? EOS i mean

[slow sundial]

people running x3 rev in RTA on supports thats disgusting but no its as intended im sure these guys dont play there own game

[snow frost]

thank you for being constructive and helpful. IT means a lot through all this noise.

[ashen trout]

would i ever lie to u

[frigid pilot]

So yes

[ashen trout]

accusing me of lyin smh

[gusty plank]

When us ews?

[gusty spoke]

got the math if its worth to refresh keys?

[gusty plank]

No

[frigid pilot]

im doing it rn

[grizzled matrix]

i will say that the gem cost of 300 per key is not too bad compared to the value you get actually

[frigid pilot]

just to see

[gusty plank]

2 keys through week

[grizzled matrix]

but you do have to grind a ton for it, is it worth the extra time spent?

well

[gusty plank]

I tested it earlier on gems

Even with good rng not worth

We’ve spent all day mathing it

[nova spade]

i get more value from 300 stamina than this ngl

[tough axle]

but is it 500% value pack omega value bundle?

[grizzled matrix]

if you are buying keys im assuming stamina is also being bought on top of it

[snow frost]

the fear and what history has shown is if you do this once, it sets an expectation and standard that you won't stop hearing about for the rest of the game's life cycle. So if you don't follow that standard from then on you're screwed

[grizzled matrix]

no

300 gem per key isnt a net loss but its also like

eh

[slow sundial]

weve been making suggestions multiple times but yall dont listen so what you expect the communityt to do?

[gusty plank]

2800 gems a day lol

[gusty plank]

It was net loss

[tough axle]

1800

[gusty plank]

Tested it twice. Even with good rng

No 2800

[grizzled matrix]

hard to say depends on box rng

[gusty plank]

1800 keys

1k energy

[grizzled matrix]

but its also like 15 minutes more per key

[gusty plank]

I bought 3 keys. Got 750 gems back

[gusty spoke]

uh

[tough axle]

oh you included energy

[gusty plank]

Yes energy always more important

[gusty spoke]

its 5m for boss fight and just rng my way

[stray mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-funny-animals-gif-7860674

[grizzled matrix]

i think that 750 was lucky tbh

[gusty plank]

Exactly

[grizzled matrix]

ok we should seprate

[slow sundial]

i only got 300k

[gusty plank]

With bad luck could be 200ish?

[grizzled matrix]

f2p wise the rewards are good just annoying

[marble echo]

guys is everything okay

[grizzled matrix]

p2w wise idk lmao

[snow frost]

90% of "suggestions" are "JUST INJECT ECONOMY AND GIVE US MORE" or "REMOVE ALL RNG" rather than useful ideas about what would feel like a good adjustment to this event. Yes not wanting rng in events is important, but be real with me man I'm in these threads all day and it's mostly noise

[gusty spoke]

im asking p2w wish

[gusty plank]

P2w wise event awful lol

[grizzled matrix]

not good enough to make me wanna run the dungeon 42 more times

[gusty plank]

F2P it’s bad if bad rng

[grizzled matrix]

like they do NOT respect your time goddamn

[snow frost]

so when someone sits down and makes specific suggestions for making it feel better I really appreciate it

[gusty plank]

Which that shouldn’t exist

[snow frost]

and there's nothing wrong with appreciating that effort

[desert crystal]

remove rng is a pretty good idea

[marble echo]

agreed with c here

[pearl grail]

did u check the amber thread ?

[slow sundial]

all we want is to be able to roll gear not all this crap

[brisk marsh]

yeah just give me all animus and perfect modules

[gusty plank]

The rng in even is the issue. Some F2P get half rewards of others

[snow frost]

see this really helps me talk to the devlopers about changes..

[gusty plank]

How is that fulfilling?

[snow frost]

u prove my point

[desert crystal]

i meant regarding the dreamscape

[snow frost]

of course I'm going to have a convo about the rng feeling unfulfilling and scary

when it should just be fun and rewarding

[gusty spoke]

could reduce the lattice box to guarentee at least 1 frag and maybe 20 boxes if you want. Allows players to choose other boxes instead but with how scarce lattice is everyone is all inning that box averagely

[gusty plank]

The problem every person has is an event should feel rewarding, regardless about rewards. Instead this event feels awful because you only have chance at good rewards

It causes fomo

[snow frost]

clearly I understand that

but giving real suggestions about how to make it feel more rewarding and fulfilling is

needed

[shrewd mantle]

it the devs job to separate the "noise" from the constructuve feedback, that IS the job ...

[grizzled matrix]

c

c

[slow sundial]

im pissed thats what it is been here for 4 betas day 1 release, im frustrated weve been saying just lower the cost of rolling gear but no yall dont think that the solution

[gusty plank]

2 players. Same progress. Same effort

[gusty spoke]

and when you lose to rng well

[gusty plank]

Complete opposite rewards

[glacial leaf]

@snow frost on other note are you at shanghai now or chilling on us? ❤️

[grizzled matrix]

one thing i think is overlooked is that people cannot tell what is reasonable to buy out of the event exchange shops up front
because theres rng involved in getting the currency and its not clear how much they can earn daily/weekly

[marble echo]

@snow frost has anyone said that clearing event shop in an event for f2p is very crucial ?

[grizzled matrix]

so they cant safely tell what they can buy

[snow frost]

of course it is, but it's not wrong for me to thank someone for providing really great feedback and ideas

but ofc someone gonna complain about me thanking them 🤣

[gusty plank]

lol

Rough

[snow frost]

I have plans to talk about this for all events with jack tonight

[grizzled matrix]

in other games ppl start buying as they earn bc they let you buy the whole shop but here you never can but people cant tell what they can buy either

until the last day

[slow sundial]

who said it was wrong stop deflecting

[nova spade]

RNG is fun when it somehow give you a guaranteed way to get all the limited items in the shop and extra, why wouldnt it be that way?

[gusty plank]

It’s just sad when all they had to do was make event linear and consistent

[grizzled matrix]

which come on ppl dont wanna spend the entire event just looking at the shop and cant have anything

[gusty plank]

And the rewards be fine

[desert crystal]

i mean i'm sure the dev made some calculation about the average amount of rewards player would get, just give us this amount thoughout the course of the event for active players instead of gambling our way there, even if one player get fully unlucky it's already too much, everyone should feel rewarded. Atm if feels like only lucky players are rewarded

[tough vortex]

Whole night black coffee?

[marble echo]

great, i think that's where the negativity mostly came from, if you can clear shop you don't HAVE to spend crystals that people dont have

[gusty plank]

Like the rewards CAN and are good. It’s just fact we can’t control our rewards

[snow frost]

fair point, I read ur message and it wasn't directly complaining about what I said

[gusty plank]

Our efforts don’t matter

[shrewd mantle]

agreed, but even in the "noise" feedback there is a underlaying good idea (yes 15 yellow lattice is ridiculous, but so is the current state of the game), again it is the devs job to find the middle ground between their "design philosphy" (whatever that means) and a reasonable game experience.... because this is not

[grizzled matrix]

its hard to be excited for a new event and rewards because you have to sit there and anxiously guess what is achievable

[gusty plank]

That lol

[grizzled matrix]

and then you wanna wait for people to tell you the optimal purchases/moves/strategy

[grim locust]

71 boxes(5 fragments) bruh💀 yeah no I’m done

[grizzled matrix]

you cant be like omg new event! lets goooo

[keen fossil]

so you say missing out on resources which are borderline non-existant in this game is the play here? and making casino for p2w players out of every event is the right direction for the game?

[gusty plank]

Events don’t have a feeling of good

[grizzled matrix]

no you get punished for diving in

its just anxiety on top of stress on top of regret

[glacial leaf]

Almost 1 mil silver tho

[snow frost]

this is the ultimate issue. I feel like they tested it well and the rng should balance out and players will be getting solid rewards by the end, but ultimately it's that anxiety and fear and feeling of punishment

[gusty plank]

Lmao

[snow frost]

it shouldnt exist

[grizzled matrix]

and theres kind of nothing that appeases the bad vibes accumulating

[grim locust]

WOOHOO, almost 1 module to 15 that will be shit aswell

[snow frost]

but for now there's some quicker ways to adjust this event that were suggested without entirely removing rng so maybe we could get that hotfixed

[gusty plank]

I disagree on testing though. We have people doing 50 boxes for 1-2 frags

[keen fossil]

this is just chatgpt gaslighting 🤣

[nova spade]

is testing include simulating the reward obtained thousands of time?

[glacial leaf]

1 mil extra silver per day is much more than we got now tho.

[marble echo]

so whats your solution ?

[desert crystal]

but we're dealing with probability here, even if on average, players get the amount they tested, there will be some players that are extremely unlucky and will get the lowest of the lowest, this is not normal

[snow frost]

and ive seen others get 12 fragments in 20 boxes or tons of silver as well though so it really shouuld balance out by the end of the event, but ofc refer to my message above where that just isn't a fun way to play an event

[grizzled matrix]

it feels like the testing involves it working out for the average amongst a large sample size and across players
however that doesnt do anything for the players that DO get the short end of the rng stick they're just screwed and thats it

[grim locust]

Its not considering I used 1200 gems on keys to afford all the boxes

[snow frost]

of course they have tested it a ton

[fossil nexus]

Issue is you (well, not you but the devs) hype us up "This will be the most lucrative event!/Fix the economy!" and... we get something that falls short.

[grizzled matrix]

and the rewards are unclear to the point people cant even tell if they are winning rng or not

[gusty plank]

That’s thing though. It’s rng. No way for it to balance out. Two players with same effort in an event should not have opposite experiences

[grizzled matrix]

so even winners arent feeling great

[snow frost]

at the end of the week it probably will be once all the avgs balance out

[fossil nexus]

I'm not sure anything has been "over generous" to the point its going to be problematic i nthe future

[snow frost]

but ofc no one will know that until the end

[gusty plank]

Rng doesn’t always balance out. RTP

[lucid flint]

My biggest issue with this event is everything is copy pasted, nothing new, just copy paste already used models, just a different color, there is literally no effort put into this shit, it's so painful to see

And stop with RNG rewards, for christ sake.

[glacial leaf]

Hence you said wait until event is done

But did ppl wait

[fossil nexus]

The boxes gained daily is too low too, can f2p even finish one whole box group?

[glacial leaf]

[gusty plank]

People aren’t gonna wait

[snow frost]

if they designed it to be generous, the rng should be in people's favor

[inner pebble]

if they tested this from a rewards perspective then whoever does their statistics needs to go back to school and ask for a refund. Its extremely obvious to see the rng and reward imbalance after opening 10 boxes

[grizzled matrix]

i know ppl are tired of e7 being brought up buy theyve bent over backwards and injected huge ludicrious amounts of materials into the economy on certain patches and it worked out great. partially because those moments bring a lot of players back in cuz they dont wanna miss the cash out

[gusty plank]

But it’s clearly not for everyone

[snow frost]

I dont think they would do hours and hours of testing and make the claim it's a generous event if they knew the rng was unfavorable

because it's been one day @gusty plank

[gusty plank]

Why should player A get 10 shards
When player B gets 2

[snow frost]

🤦‍♂️

are you reading what im saying

[gusty plank]

You aren’t understanding. The odds tomorrow are the same

[lethal swallow]

@snow frost
can you ask the devs why they are hiding rewards behind rng boxes?
It just makes players feel bad about getting the low roll from a box

[gusty plank]

It’s rng. RTP isn’t guaranteed

[desert crystal]

THIS

[grizzled matrix]

i feel like people cant even tell if they're winning the rng even if they are

[shrewd mantle]

are you certain that they are doing hours and hours of testing?

[grizzled matrix]

like its all so murky

[snow frost]

absolutely

[mossy umbra]

imo, events should not be p2w, every single game I ve played, never seen a event that Im not able to buy or earn every benefits that its offer. And is nt only the dreamscape, today I got 60 coins from shell story, it is so frustating dude. I have to face so much RNG in everything I do in this game, and Im ok with that, bc it is a Gacha Game, but RNG even in events kind sucks.

[fossil nexus]

A minimum floor would have been great. Getting 1 gold XP for instance feels like dog puke

[snow frost]

this is the issue

[grizzled matrix]

the boxes should put rates on the drops

[gusty plank]

People only feel like losing

[lethal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-dogs-wrong-hand-choose-gif-12870341

[grizzled matrix]

people wont get hopeful for that 3 shard drop bc it says 1%

[lethal swallow]

it feels like this

your events

[gusty plank]

Since we don’t know what the “winning” odds are

[fossil nexus]

And even if they are, it doesn't feel good lmao

[snow frost]

none of you know the odds or have any calculations or predictions after one day, so yes I do understand but also your point isn't holding yet

[desert crystal]

we can't rely on rng alone to get the average amount of reward, it's just not realistic

[snow frost]

^

ive never not said this

[gusty plank]

You aren’t understanding gambling

[snow frost]

it just isn't fun

[lethal swallow]

why are the calculations/numbers are not given to the players?

[gusty plank]

I can lose 10k fir 7 straight days

[lethal swallow]

why hide them

[gusty plank]

I’m not guaranteed RTp

[autumn kestrel]

Is it possible to see the rates for the RNG boxes? In most games it says how many times we can get the shards/material in boxes like this. It says chance in this though which creates unknown and will make people crash out early instead of waiting until the end of the week. If we knew there were say 50 shards in total in the box I think it would help people not crash out day 1.

[glacial leaf]

What events are p2win?

[fossil nexus]

I think this is the key point here.

[grizzled matrix]

yeah im just like..after putting it on a spreadsheet the rewards ARE indeed good. but i still feel like crap about all this

[shrewd mantle]

uhhhhhhhh they will never put any odds ... theres no 2 matrix drops in hell4/inferno yet you basically only get those (even though it is not posted in the drop table of the boss xD)

[snow frost]

if the chance of winning is a higher % you wont lose 10k for 7 straight days

[lucid flint]

The community is begging for more mats and resources and we get RNG rewards, how tonedeaf is that...

[snow frost]

you arent understanding rng eitehr

[fossil nexus]

Have any of the recent decisions been "fun" or adding fun to players

[gusty plank]

I gamble over 150k a year in slots

I know how RTP works

We don’t have %

[snow frost]

🤦‍♂️

[fluid pewter]

I'm 100% crashed tf out after this event. I was hoping today we would get some relief instead of more stress. It aint gettin' better ig

[gusty plank]

Or RTP

[wheat oyster]

What I don’t understand is how the devs can remove the RNG from summoning characters because they know people feel crap when they fail a 50/50 etc.

But those same devs think people would enjoy adding all this RNG to event rewards.

Just don’t get the design philosophy.

[gusty plank]

We have only assumptions

[fluid pewter]

The devs want us to have their depression

[gusty plank]

If each box has same %

[shrewd mantle]

we don't know the odds ... for all we know it could be 1% and most defintely lose for 7 days straight, no?

[gusty plank]

There us no guarantee if RTP

[autumn kestrel]

I agree with Axiom

[lethal swallow]

this is actually the nail in the coffin

[uneven tundra]

That's the thing, they don't think we will enjoy it

[fossil nexus]

Yup, so many questions on the direction here

[snow frost]

I dont think anyone here including me disagrees with axiom

[lethal swallow]

pin it

for the future generations to see

[lucid flint]

I'd prefer the 50/50 than the RNG in the actual gameplay man

[snow frost]

why would I pin it when I can talk about it with jack tonight

[gusty plank]

We are gambling for something that has no “gambling % or RTP”

[lethal swallow]

cuz he prob dont understand english well enough -_-

[lavish zodiac]

[snow frost]

racism

[desert crystal]

nah nah nah, please let our gacha system as it is, it's very good

[jolly nymph]

Why don't the devs do a questionnaire?

[gusty plank]

Gambling assumes a RTP or odds

[tough vortex]

Wasn't true evil in vacation enjoy ur vacation true evil take break

[shrewd mantle]

cavalry has arrived

[grizzled matrix]

cuz at least we know its 50/50 and that its followed by 100%

[fossil nexus]

Ngl, give players a bone

[grizzled matrix]

theres no failsafe to the rest of this rng fest

[lucid flint]

Exactly

[autumn kestrel]

Instead of RNG on pulls you added RNG with virtually everything else. I would prefer there to be 50 50s and definite rewards at this point

[grizzled matrix]

just keep gambling into the void to get 3 peanuts back

[lucid flint]

I can't handle going into reng, and he just changes fucking color

[gusty plank]

There is no failsafe on rng in event. There is no guarantee ever get shards

Event if % low it exists

[primal gate]

So they aren't gonna say anything about the outrage

[grizzled matrix]

maybe there is a hidden pity on the boxes! who knows! we dont

[primal gate]

As always

[gusty plank]

Exactly

[lucid flint]

Feel like I'm fighting Michael jackson

[desert crystal]

they did, but there is a 99% chance of rng taking our bone away

[gusty plank]

We have no numbers

[tough vortex]

Yeah we don't need guarantee banner chars if events get rng in exchange for them

[lethal swallow]

well at least there is no RNG when you trying to start the game, it could have been worse -_-

[brisk marsh]

saying you'd rather have 50/50 on summons over rng rewards is the worst take i've literally ever heard. 50/50 is the worst thing to happen to gachas ever

[gusty plank]

But we are expected to believe it will even out? That’s not how gambling works

You and I go to casino. Spend 100k in slots over 14 days

[fluid pewter]

I'm very happy with 50/50 if it means I can build the characters I have.

[gusty plank]

We sure as hell aren’t ending up same

[inner pebble]

the good adjustment would be a) better framing on the boxes or consolidate them and be transparent that x item has low drop rate. b) have standard drops plus rng chance at higher drops ie each box at a minimum should give the coins/data as a reward aswell as one other item so maybe one box you open you get coins and an xp book. Next one you get coins+ lattice

But these boxes should be in addition to the event shop which should be easily bought out OR streamline the event rewards and just have set rewards for meeting certain milestones.

Also as this event is basically simulated universe from honkai, you may aswell copy the rest of it and learn from it

[desert crystal]

some people can't launch the client, i would argue that there is some rng regarding this xD

[fluid pewter]

Not being able to use my characters is the most anti-hype bullshit I've ever seen.

[lucid flint]

That proves just how bad these systems are, that some people would prefer the 50/50..

[shrewd mantle]

Don't let this even distract you from the fact we still get 2 module matrix from inferno and the 8k exp shells are a 25% increase in overall exp shell

😄

[uneven tundra]

Nah, you can guarantee a character even if it's 50/50. If the rest of the game has terrible drops and rng you can't even build the character anyways

[glacial leaf]

Strategy dif

[nova spade]

at least put some effort into these lootboxes, like displaying the chance of getting the items

[lucid flint]

Because every single thing I do in this game, even down to fighting a boss, is more than 50/50

[desert crystal]

i think you would uninstall if you could see the chances

[lethal swallow]

you dont have to discover a new solution
there is a sweet ratio of selling upgraded gear to coins you get back
just like how you get 70% of what you invested into Shells back
you deliberately didnt applied it to the gear and calling it "overinflation"